[00:00] <BWARG> or an iso?
[00:00] <AD5300> Although, the PC I'm on right now doesnt have a CD burner... the Vista PC does. I'm on a Eee PC running XP.
[00:00]  * JamesB192 has a broken b44 networking and a lack of pseudo terminals.
[00:00] <AD5300> I'm gonna join the chat on my vista pc.
[00:00] <BUGabundo> just checked change log, it was all mvo :\
[00:00] <AD5300> .. or try to, knowing how much vista sucks
[00:01] <BWARG> download http://www.pendriveapps.com/portable-qemu-manager/
[00:01] <BWARG> this works better with vist
[00:01] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo - which shortcuts in particular?
[00:01] <BWARG> you can easily load up ubuntu in this
[00:02] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: alt+tab, and few others I had manually set ,like super+w for expose
[00:02] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, not sure about that then. might be best to just open a bug for it
[00:03] <mrmcq2u> what happened to geolocation and webkit support in empathy?
[00:03]  * AD5300 is aliendude5300 -- on a different pc
[00:03]  * Cynthia nods
[00:04] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: not enough data to make a valid bug :(
[00:04]  * Cynthia confirms that only CD-ROMS are broken as in Bug 431055, external hard drives still work
[00:05] <BUGabundo> mac_v: I got me confused. what's the current state of the screenblanks bug, from you POV ?
[00:05] <BluesKaj> hey BUGabundo , so i guess the kernel source fixes are still up in the air , not ready for updates yet /
[00:05] <BluesKaj> ?
[00:05] <aliendude5300> So... there is no way I can just remove a package from the ISO?
[00:05] <aliendude5300> Can't I just delete the .deb file?
[00:06] <aliendude5300> Or is it more complex than that?
[00:06] <Cynthia> aliendude5300: they'll actually reside in the squashfs (compressed filesystem) image
[00:06] <Cynthia> er, as the installed files I mean, not the .debs
[00:06] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: ?
[00:07] <BluesKaj> ok BUGabundo . lemme rephrase that ...the kernel updates are still broken ?
[00:07] <aliendude5300> Oh... so it works similar to dblspace in ms-dos?
[00:07] <Cynthia> aliendude5300: similar, yes
[00:07] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: don't think so
[00:07] <aliendude5300> It creates an 'image' of the file system and compresses that?
[00:08] <BUGabundo> at least here it installed ok
[00:08] <aliendude5300> Hmm... that would make sense why I need special tools to edit it.
[00:08] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, kde or gnome and when ?
[00:08] <Cynthia> but since you have a chicken-and-egg problem, a system that needs itself to fix itself, something else has to break that cycle
[00:08] <BUGabundo> gnome NOW
[00:08] <aliendude5300> Too bad I don't have access to a Linux PC... wouldn't be too hard to do if I folllowed the guide.
[00:09] <Cynthia> yeah
[00:09] <BluesKaj> ok BUGabundo , kde here ...should i take a chance ?
[00:10] <aliendude5300> So you have to mount the squashfs image to a folder on the hard disk?
[00:10] <aliendude5300> or do you chroot the image?
[00:10] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: livecd 1st?
[00:11] <BluesKaj> done that already, BUGabundo
[00:11] <Cynthia> squashfs images are read-only, so you have to decompress it then chroot into that
[00:11] <BUGabundo> how can https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/404219 be a Feature not a bug ?!?! grrrr
[00:11] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: worked?
[00:12] <wastrel> hi
[00:12] <BluesKaj> I'm on a crappy graphics driver here that sets the res at a stretchmark state for my monitor
[00:13] <BluesKaj> squashed and stretched
[00:14] <BluesKaj> I need a kernel source for the nvidia 64 bit driver for my 7600gt card
[00:14] <BluesKaj> looks like windows 95 graphics :)_
[00:14] <BUGabundo> lol
[00:15] <crimsun> woo, breakage. now that's more like a dev cycle!
[00:15] <crimsun> i love how i my git send-pack died in the middle of the network-manager package upgrade :(
[00:16] <MaximLevitsky1> BUGabundo: if  ubuntu devs will continue add such features, nobody will use ubuntu
[00:16] <BUGabundo> hey crimsun
[00:16] <BUGabundo> I had to go back to autospawn off
[00:17] <BUGabundo> crimsun: you never told me how to debug PA in foreground :(
[00:18] <BluesKaj> just did a test installing vlc..no luck , can't install anything : E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[00:19] <BluesKaj> haven't updated since i reinstalled with the alpha5 live cd
[00:20] <crimsun> BUGabundo: i'm about to roll a test package to the ppa (ETA 30 mins)
[00:20] <crimsun> BUGabundo: please test that (probably "tomorrow" for you)
[00:20] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:20] <BUGabundo> yeah
[00:21] <BUGabundo> I'll prob only fetch them tomorrow
[00:21] <BUGabundo> hope I don't forget to reenable autospawn
[00:21] <BUGabundo> if anyone here is reading this, please ping and remind me tomorrow :)
[00:21] <crimsun> well, they won't be available until tomorrow at the earliest ;)
[00:21] <cjwatson> "dpkg returned an error code (1)" is the equivalent of "something went wrong" - no detail at all
[00:23] <Cynthia> aliendude5300, yeah OpenOffice is huge, I'll see what I can remove to make the download shorter (and your burn time as well :)
[00:25] <BluesKaj> cjwatson, I have a broken nvidia driver dependency that won't go away : Error! DKMS tree already contains: nouveau-0.0.15+git20090823 .  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 3 Errors were encountered while processing:  nouveau-kernel-source
[00:26] <aliendude5300> Just openoffice is fine, although GIMP is also pretty large
[00:26] <aliendude5300> Whats your upload speed?
[00:26] <aliendude5300> I have 25mbps download / 15mbps upload
[00:27] <BUGabundo> not bad
[00:27] <aliendude5300> Should be pretty fast depending on your connection...
[00:27] <aliendude5300> BUGabundo: They sell 50/25 in my area for $20 more a month...
[00:27] <aliendude5300> not worth it though
[00:27] <Cynthia> I have 512 Kbps up
[00:28] <aliendude5300> Hmm... in that case, it's probably a good idea to get the file size down a lot.
[00:29] <aliendude5300> Although it would fit on a cd with just openoffice removed
[00:29] <Cynthia> Aye, it would
[00:30] <Cynthia> 110476 linux-image-2.6.31-9-generic <-- This is pretty huge too, in fact it's #1 on dpkg-query by descending size, shall I remove it? ;)
[00:30] <aliendude5300> lol... I think I need that.
[00:31] <Cynthia> Hehe
[00:31] <aliendude5300> Miiiiiiight not though, I could always burn an image without it and give it a go. :P
[00:31] <BUGabundo> aliendude5300: why burn media?
[00:31] <BUGabundo> just put it on an usb stick
[00:33] <aliendude5300> Only have 3 USB Sticks - 2 4GB ones (one's broken :/), and a 256mb one. The working one has all my important files on it and it's partitioned to boot an OS already, which would be a pain to set up again. 256MB isn't enough to contain the OS
[00:34] <virtuald> you can put a netinstaller there with unetbootin
[00:34] <Cynthia> Language packs will remove a lot too
[00:35] <aliendude5300> Just keep English on there ;)
[00:35] <Cynthia> Aye :D
[00:35] <aliendude5300> Don't feel like learning Simplified Korean to fix my installation.
[00:35] <cjwatson> virtuald: he said he doesn't have working network
[00:36] <virtuald> oh :(
[00:36] <virtuald> better fix that then :D
[00:37] <Cynthia> freeing 50 MB with gnome-games-data/gnome-games
[00:37] <Cynthia> virtuald: aliendude5300 needs a Karmic CD to fix the networking (recreate /etc/resolv.conf)
[00:37] <Cynthia> basically this is a huge chicken-and-egg problem :(
[00:38] <aliendude5300> Awww but I like "Same GNOME"...
[00:38] <Cynthia> :P
[00:38] <aliendude5300> lol... I really don't care much for games. Especially not the ones that come with gnome
[00:39] <virtuald> if it's just resolv.conf it doesn't have to be a karmic cd
[00:39] <BluesKaj> well glxigears frame rate is about 1/5 th of it's normal rate , but I'll settle for the proper 1680x1050 res for this monitor right now til  stuff gets fixed
[00:40] <aliendude5300> Is it me or is this channel unmoderated? I just realized that there are no Operators or Half-Ops here but ChanServ
[00:40] <aliendude5300> ... which is a bot.
[00:41] <BluesKaj> the nvidia nv driver seems to be the only one that's working for my 7600gt
[00:41] <Cynthia> The operators only op-up when the power is needed, i.e. to kick or ban someone, using ChanServ
[00:41] <aliendude5300> Oh... I see.
[00:42] <BluesKaj> aliendude5300, it's scramble city here today ..the devs are all busy as are the ops trying get (k)ubuntu karmic's broken kernel fixed
[00:43] <aliendude5300> Doesn't the Ubuntu build system work like SVN where you can just go back a 'revision'?
[00:44] <BluesKaj> kind of difficult to do from a broken setup
[00:44] <aliendude5300> Or did something upstream break it?
[00:45] <aliendude5300> What caused the broken kernel problem?
[00:45] <BluesKaj> uhm yup
[00:45] <kringel> since karmic most applications (including wget) are resolving hostnames to 1.0.0.0 I have to ping them before manually. ping works
[00:46] <BluesKaj> aliendude5300, they are busy isolating the prob (I hope )
[00:46] <aliendude5300> How come the fact that most Karmic builds are broken is barely known?
[00:46] <aliendude5300> They need to make an announcement saying that it's a common problem and how to fix it
[00:46] <BluesKaj> read the motd ..it's quite revealing
[00:47] <virtuald> should i turn my computer off or put it in sleep mode for tonight?
[00:47] <aliendude5300> Well yeah, the topic here says that, but I mean like an Ubuntu.com announcement... most inexperienced users don't even know we have an IRC channel
[00:47] <BluesKaj> dunno ,but i think  I will not be updating mine for a day or 2
[00:48] <ajmitch> because inexperienced users wouldn't be using karmic
[00:48] <Michalxo_> guys please.. should I have "new" gdm theme installed as deafult by now?
[00:48] <NoelJB> aliendude5300, inexperienced users should be waiting for October release
[00:48] <NoelJB> Michalxo_, I haven't seen anything change.
[00:48] <BluesKaj> inexperienced user sometimes tred on thin ice without knowing :)
[00:48] <Michalxo_> cause I still have that old which alpha 2 had
[00:48] <aliendude5300> true... but some see "Karmic Alpha Available" and think "OMG New Ubuntoo! I want that!"
[00:49] <Michalxo_> ok, gn guys!
[00:49] <BluesKaj> anyway TV time with wifey /... bblater
[00:50] <JamesB192> is there a work around for the kernel issue(s)?
[00:51] <JamesB192> I was thinking it might be udevish in origin, but I don't think that now.
[00:51] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: aptitude safe-upgrade doesn't help you downgrade badpacakges?
[00:51] <BWARG> so wait is it gnome or kde that borken?
[00:52] <cjwatson> sigh, misinformation
[00:52] <cjwatson> it wasn't the kernel that was broken
[00:52] <cjwatson> and the reason we didn't just go back was that we didn't *want* to go all the way back - we're intentionally trying to reorganise the boot process and it was a bit of a rough landing, that's all
[00:53] <BWARG> so i shouldnt update just yet cause im dead when it comes to boot process
[00:53] <NoelJB> cjwatson, did someone say that the kernel was broken?  we haven't had a kernel upgrade during this upstart process.
[00:53] <crimsun> cjwatson: we probably should whisper something about judicious updates ;)
[00:53] <aliendude5300> cjwatson -- optimizing for speed?
[00:54] <NoelJB> oh, i see someone did.
[00:54]  * JamesB192 parroted BluesKaj
[00:54] <aliendude5300> ... parroted?
[00:54] <BWARG> borked?
[00:54] <NoelJB> aliendude5300, yeah, james reflected an earlier comment about a broken kernel.
[00:55] <crimsun> the kernel's fine, i certainly can attest to that much.
[00:55] <NoelJB> crimsun, :-)
[00:55] <aliendude5300> I'd like to see faster booting by the time Karmic comes out -- have you seen how fast windows 7 boots?
[00:55] <JamesB192> but it isn't that because the kernel that I now, worked earlier.
[00:55] <aliendude5300> Fedora is also REALLY fast at bootinh
[00:56] <BWARG> fuck fedora
[00:56] <BWARG> sorry
[00:56] <cjwatson> aliendude5300: that's what we're aiming for, although first (though I know the last couple of days belie that a bit) we're aiming for better-organised and more reliable booting
[00:56] <BWARG> autonomous reponse
[00:56] <NoelJB> BWARG, please, this is public AND logged.
[00:56] <cjwatson> BWARG: control yourself
[00:56] <sadiq_> should I worry about this message? : "acerhdf: unknown (unsupported) BIOS version Acer   /Extensa 5220 ... "
[00:56] <cjwatson> Fedora is using the same init technology we are, of course
[00:56] <BWARG> indeed
[00:57] <aliendude5300> cjwatson: I assume you're an Ubuntu developer?
[00:57] <cjwatson> aliendude5300: yes
[00:57] <ajmitch> crimsun: so if it's safe to upgrade, I'll run ubuntu-bug for my headphone issue as soon as it lets firefox run properly
[00:57] <Cynthia> aliendude5300
[00:57] <aliendude5300> yes?
[00:57] <Cynthia> is your computer an amd64?
[00:57] <aliendude5300> i386.
[00:57] <Michalxo_> damn, I am unable to pop up my shutdown menu!
[00:57] <ajmitch> unless there's a more convenient way to dump that into the bug
[00:57] <aliendude5300> err i686
[00:57] <Cynthia> well damn, I made this disc as amd64
[00:57] <aliendude5300> :(
[00:58] <cjwatson> ajmitch: apport-collect, if there's an existing bug that you're sure is the same
[00:58] <[31d1]> OK it looks like ubuntu's diff to gnome-workspace-switcher applet doesn't play nice with anything except compiz and metacity :(
[00:58]  * Cynthia will download the i386 .iso and repeat the whole procedure once more :)
[00:58] <aliendude5300> you remember what packages you removed?
[00:58] <aliendude5300> Removing the stuff was probably the hardest part
[00:58] <Cynthia> yeah I remember
[00:58] <mrmcq2u> anyone know whats the deal with empathy geolocation/webkit/indicator applet support being omitted?
[00:58] <ajmitch> cjwatson: none that matches the symptoms exactly, it's just another example of sound hardware weirdness :)
[00:58] <NoelJB> [31d1], you mean the applet in the lower right?  hasn't worked right on Ubuntu in years.  long outstanding bugs.
[00:58] <BWARG> why not save the image
[00:58]  * aliendude5300 DOES have 2 AMD64 pcs though...
[00:59] <aliendude5300> :/
[00:59] <NoelJB> trying dragging a window from one workspace to another, for example.
[00:59] <aliendude5300> just not the one thats running ubuntu
[00:59] <BWARG> and poast it to the site as well as the x86?
[00:59] <Michalxo_> does everyone has workable "shutdown menu" ??
[00:59] <cjwatson> ajmitch: ah, well, you said "the bug" so I assumed you had an existing one in mind
[00:59] <Cynthia> Yeah, but the broken one can't run amd64?
[00:59] <ajmitch> cjwatson: just something I mentioned to crimsun a couple of days ago & promised to file
[00:59] <NoelJB> Michalxo_, what's broken with yours?
[00:59] <[31d1]> NoelJB: that all worked flawlessly in xmonad all the way through Jaunty
[00:59] <cjwatson> ajmitch: ok
[00:59]  * cjwatson butts out then :)
[00:59] <[31d1]> it's broken now in karmic
[00:59] <ajmitch> but ran into another problem with ubuntu-bug not running firefox properly
[00:59] <Michalxo_> NoelJB, I am unalbe to see shudown menu at all
[00:59] <aliendude5300> yeah unfortunately
[00:59] <crimsun> ajmitch: sorry, which headphone issue?
[01:00] <[31d1]> and still works in debian unstable
[01:00] <ajmitch> crimsun: the jack sensing not working on my new HP laptop
[01:00] <NoelJB> Michalxo_, oh?  it should be the indicator-session-applet in the (default) upper right.
[01:00] <Michalxo_> gnome-session[3607]: devkit-power-gobject-WARNING: Error invoking GetAll() to get properties: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes i..blablabla
[01:00] <Michalxo_> NoelJB, I am not using it.. I am using alt+f1 shutdown
[01:01] <crimsun> ajmitch: hmm, what's the output from `head -6 /proc/asound/card*/codec* && lspci -nv|grep -A1 0403' ?
[01:01] <Michalxo_> but basically it's same
[01:01] <Michalxo_> how can I suspend PC via CLI? something like sending echo 1 to some file?
[01:01] <NoelJB> Michalxo_, pm-suspend
[01:01] <ajmitch> crimsun: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/272425/
[01:01] <[31d1]> xmonad is careful to be EWMH compliant - but in the workspace-applet diff theres a lot of suspicious stuff
[01:02] <Michalxo_> well.. gn, then I'll drop here by tomorrow for that bug :-/
[01:02] <[31d1]> like if( METACITY) elseif ( COMPIZ ) else youre_on_your_own
[01:02] <Michalxo_> NoelJB, can you be more specific how to?
[01:03] <NoelJB> Michalxo_, man pm-suspend
[01:03] <ajmitch> crimsun: have you got a bug number I can attach info to? I didn't find one after a brief search
[01:03] <sadiq_> should I worry about this message? : "acerhdf: unknown (unsupported) BIOS version Acer   /Extensa 5220  /V1.35   , please report, aborting!"
[01:03] <crimsun> ajmitch: which dv model is it?
[01:03] <ajmitch> crimsun: dv7 2108
[01:04] <aliendude5300> has anyone heard that Dell stopped making Linux PCs?
[01:04] <crimsun> ajmitch: ok, i'll have a test kernel for you [for me,] tomorrow
[01:04] <aliendude5300> Just found that out
[01:04] <crimsun> ajmitch: i've already fixed it and pushed it upstream
[01:04] <DopeGhoti> is it possible yet to upgrade via apt to Karmic?
[01:04] <Michalxo_> NoelJB, well.. sudo pm-suspend does nothing :-/
[01:04] <NoelJB> cjwatson, I'm sure its late by you, but at some point when this upstart settles down, can I get some chat on grub2?  I have an existing dedicated grub partition that uses configfile to boot any of 5 linux partitions (currently, Fedora 11 and Hardy through Karmic).  Trying to figure out my migration strategy to grub 2.
[01:05] <cjwatson> NoelJB: sure, sometime when it's something more closely resembling European working hours
[01:05] <ajmitch> crimsun: thanks, it's an amd64 install but I imagine it'll be in a PPA
[01:05] <NoelJB> I understand that configfile won't work across grub1 <--> grub2
[01:05] <Dai> aliendude5300: they're still available on the site, where did you hear this?
[01:05] <NoelJB> cjwatson, of course!  I do realize where you are :-)
[01:05] <NoelJB> cjwatson, by the way, whose your football team?
[01:06] <NoelJB> er\r, s/whose/who is/
[01:06] <crimsun> ajmitch: well, i'll stash it in my git tree on kernel.u.c if you want to build it instead :).  briefly, your hp actually appears (incorrectly) as a line-out, so it needs to be hinted in the driver
[01:06] <aliendude5300> Dai: not the desktop pcs...
[01:06] <cjwatson> NoelJB: I'm not much of a sports fan, sorry :)
[01:06] <Dai> desktop pcs are so passe
[01:07] <ajmitch> crimsun: ok, I'll grab the branch & try & build it :)
[01:07] <Dai> though i do want one of those little tiny studio hybrids for my media box
[01:07]  * aliendude5300 thinks System76 supports Linux MUCH more than Dell who only cares about money.
[01:08] <ajmitch> crimsun: it'll live under your ubuntu-karmic tree?
[01:09] <crimsun> ajmitch: yes, but in a separate branch. look for the hp-detect branch.
[01:09] <ajmitch> ok
[01:19] <aliendude5300> Anyone know if Landscape will ever be FOSS software?
[01:23] <JanC> the client is, you can write your own server-side ツ
[01:23] <aliendude5300> the server side is the important part...
[01:23] <JanC> or use one of the existing open source solutions for remote management...
[01:23] <aliendude5300> like?
[01:25]  * aliendude5300 is wondering if Cynthia is still there
[01:26] <Cynthia> I am
[01:26] <aliendude5300> Ah, just making sure. ;)
[01:26] <Cynthia> See your private messages though, I'll continue there for discussion about the custom image
[01:34] <JanC> aliendude5300: FAI/GOsa maybe, or m23, maybe combined with other stuff
[01:40] <MaximLevitsky1> aliendude5300: and ubuntu one too?
[01:40] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[01:41] <ShapeShifter499> I heard that a bunch of people were trying to integrate wine into karmic, what does this mean and what is the purpose of doing that?
[01:43] <Jeruvy> AFAIK, it would mean that it would be a installed package, or a ubuntu supported package.
[01:44] <ShapeShifter499> link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-wine-integration
[01:54] <ShapeShifter499> g2g
[01:54] <ShapeShifter499> bye
[02:28] <e-jat> can this bug 398214 assign to someone? :(
[02:29] <sunshinepants> sweeet mother
[02:36] <dhcpbroken> anyone having problems with dhcp in ubuntu 9.10?
[02:37] <dhcpbroken> i tried dhcpcd and dhclient with no luck on my open encryption wifi routers (2)
[02:38] <Cynthia> dhcp works here, but I don't use wireless
[02:39] <dhcpbroken> i could get it working with either program, wicd, or gnome network manager
[02:39] <dhcpbroken> *couldn't
[02:41] <Cynthia> even editing /etc/network/interfaces to add "iface wlan0 inet dhcp"?
[02:41] <Cynthia> [or whatever your WiFi interface is named, see 'ifconfig -a']
[02:42] <dhcpbroken> checking that file now (but a dhclient wlan0 should have done the trick) (atheros card)
[02:42] <Cynthia> yes, it should have done the trick
[02:43] <dhcpbroken> will the /etc/init.d/networking restart restart the reading of the interface file?
[02:43] <Cynthia> yes
[02:44] <dhcpbroken> Cynthia: that runs dhclient wlan0 which fails
[02:44] <Cynthia> how does it fail? does it give you any indication of error, or a message of any kind?
[02:44] <dhcpbroken> no dhcpoffers it claims, but dhcp is working on both routers
[02:45] <Cynthia> and you say the routers use no encryption at all?
[02:45] <dhcpbroken> correct
[02:45] <JanC> eh, 2 routers both running DHCP?
[02:45] <dhcpbroken> hey, it worked just now (nothing running though), its been going up and down, yes, both
[02:46] <dhcpbroken> darn, went back down
[02:46] <Cynthia> the DHCP servers may conflict and both try to give you an IP
[02:46] <Cynthia> what does 'lspci | grep -i atheros' say?
[02:46] <dhcpbroken> ar5001X+
[02:47] <dhcpbroken> rev 01
[02:47] <Cynthia> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+question/64081
[02:47] <dhcpbroken> reading
[02:47] <Cynthia> add your opinion to this and related questions, if they're open; also consider filing a bug
[02:48] <Cynthia> maybe there are workarounds too :)
[02:48] <dhcpbroken> what files would help me debug?
[02:49] <Cynthia> er, I don't know about files, but the last time I had to debug a wireless problem, I used 'dmesg' (command)
[02:50] <dhcpbroken> ever since hal was depriciated, my wifi cards have had trouble
[02:50] <Cynthia> wireless cards (Broadcom especially) have always caused me trouble
[02:52] <JanC> broadcom has worked for me most of the time I tried (after installing the firmware)
[02:52] <dhcpbroken> maybe ill try pump
[02:52] <JanC> the only wireless I never want to configure is Ralink...
[02:53] <philip__> karmic did a number on my backlight. Backlight won't turn on now. All I see is a quick flash of the dell logo on boot up. I have to use an external monitor
[02:53] <philip__> Anyone with a workaround?
[02:54] <JanC> try to boot with ACPI disabled
[02:55] <dhcpbroken> anyone know the command to kill all pids with a certain string?
[02:56] <Cynthia> dhcpbroken: with a certain command name, exact match, you do 'killall commandname'
[02:56] <JanC> dhcpbroken: man pkill ?
[02:57] <dhcpbroken> thanks
[02:59] <philip__> is there a command to turn the backlight on?
[03:00] <aboSamoor1> can I ask for help with launchpad, #launchpad is quite silent :( ?
[03:00] <acicula> philip__: /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness
[03:01] <acicula> echo 7 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness
[03:01] <aboSamoor1> finally got response :)
[03:02] <philip__> acicula: blank file
[03:02] <acicula> ?
[03:03] <peepsalot> where are samba folder-sharing configurations stored?
[03:03] <JanC> I suppose that if ACPI brightness setting worked, there would be no issue to fix  ;)
[03:04] <JanC> well, unless upstart breakage is still on maybe  ;)
[03:05] <philip__> I found the command, but it didn't work for me (sudo vbetool dpms on)
[03:05] <dhcpbroken> peepsalot, try a 'find / -name samba.conf' in terminal
[03:05] <test34> oh, new topic;)
[03:05] <philip__> the screen briefly turned on then went black again
[03:06] <test34> I get lots of error like this: http://pastie.org/619805
[03:07] <test34> maybe before some program gets loaded
[03:07] <dhcpbroken> i've run out of dhcp clients to try...works in karmic in an earlier kernel, but no the newest
[03:07] <test34> dhcpbroken, do you have a router ?
[03:08] <dhcpbroken> i have admin of one, the others is my isp
[03:09] <test34> dhcpbroken, you don't want to use a static IP ?
[03:09] <dhcpbroken> test 34: can't, ISP boots manual ips
[03:10] <test34> dhcpbroken, I thought you said you had a router at home sorry
[03:10] <dhcpbroken> i have one at home of mine, the others is my isp's
[03:11] <dhcpbroken> both have no encryption
[03:11] <test34> dhcpbroken, you can use a static ip on your local network and the isp won't know about it
[03:12] <dhcpbroken> two different networks
[03:12] <test34> yes
[03:12] <test34> thats why
[03:12] <dhcpbroken> i want to get internet over the isp's, so i was using my router to see if it was my problem or the isps
[03:13] <dhcpbroken> my router isn't connected to anything
[03:13] <test34> ubuntu seem to work better now with static ips too
[03:14] <dhcpbroken> isp will boot statics though....need dhcp to work
[03:14] <dhcpbroken> tried dhcpcd, dhclient, and pump
[03:14] <test34> dhcpbroken, connect your router to your ISP and then you computer to your router, and then use a static IP
[03:14] <test34> (your router will use dynamic)
[03:14] <test34> no?
[03:14] <dhcpbroken> router doesn't support essid bouncing
[03:15] <test34> sorry never heard about his
[03:15] <test34> this
[03:19] <dhcpbroken> can i use my linksys as a wireless card to ethernet?
[03:22] <peepsalot> can someone please tell me where samba folder-sharing configurations stored?
[03:22] <test34> /etc/samba/smb.conf
[03:23] <edoceo> I just tried to use today's update and now my X is dead :(  so is my network :(
[03:23] <test34> edoceo, that should have happened with yesterday's update
[03:24] <edoceo> Just a few minutes ago, so if I can get my system back I should do another update to fix?
[03:24] <test34> edoceo, you could do the latest update using a liveCD
[03:24] <edoceo> You mean via some chroot trick?
[03:25] <test34> yes
[03:25] <edoceo> You may be right (I use systemrescuecd) but I'm also getting some fsck errors and /dev/shm & /dev/pts are missing - I'll give the CD+chroot thing a try...
[03:26] <test34> http://pastie.org/619826
[03:26] <peepsalot> test34, i thought that was it, but I'm not seeing the folders which are shared on this computer in that file.  is it possible there is a secondary config file?
[03:28] <peepsalot> i think they were originall set to be shared through nautilus Sharing menu, maybe they are shared on something orhter protocol than samba?
[03:28] <test34> samba probably not the default
[03:31] <test34> but I don't know, I'm trying to find something
[03:32] <test34> I guess it might be samba,... when I try to share a folder in nautilus it wants to install it
[03:33] <test34> and libpam-smbpass
[03:39] <peepsalot> test34, yeah, it looks like it's still samba, when I view the network, i can get to my shared folder, and the URI has smb: protocol.  but when I search smb.conf for that directory name, nothing comes up
[03:40] <peepsalot> argh
[03:40] <|GuS|> Hi guys... what says in the topic is not fixed yet?
[03:51] <wastrel> hi
[03:51] <wastrel> if i upgrade now is it going to break my koala
[03:51] <Cynthia> It may. There have been reports of kernel breakage earlier today.
[03:52] <Cynthia> But I'm fine, and I didn't see any kernel update today. So it may be isolated.
[03:52] <JanC> most of the problems are fixed by now, but no 100% guarantee I suppose
[03:52] <JamesB192> I really doubt it's the kernel. I really think it's a userland thing maybe udev.
[03:53] <JanC> JamesB192: upstart & boot scripts
[03:53] <Cynthia> udev/hal are causing CD-ROM automount and burning problems
[03:53] <JanC> and maybe udev/hal too  ;)
[03:53] <Cynthia> you can read if you mount manually, but you can't burn CDs at any time
[03:54] <JanC> maybe 2 types of breakage coincided  ;)
[03:54] <Cynthia> check if you're affected by Bug 431055 if you can please, and add your comment there
[03:55] <JamesB192> boot scripts! I had to mount /dev/pts by hand to get konsole and my remote hosted quassel client to work right.
[03:56] <test34> looks like I'm affected cynthia (at least they're not auto-mounted)
[03:57] <Cynthia> someone already added gvfs-ubuntu to the bug,  and NoelJB had a log with HAL recognising the CD-ROM drive
[03:57] <JamesB192> not to mention invoking ifconfig and route.
[03:57]  * JamesB192 is obselete minded.
[03:57] <Cynthia> test34: ok, now try to mount it manually and burn something using Brasero
[03:58] <Cynthia> using something like sudo mkdir /mnt/manualcd && sudo mount /dev/sr0 /mnt/manualcd
[03:59] <NoelJB> Cynthia, udev not HAL, and I posted it to the bug report.
[04:00] <NoelJB> Cynthia, you mean bug 431055 ?
[04:00] <Cynthia> Yes, that one
[04:00] <Cynthia> and I really thought that was a HAL log, I mist have skimmed over it way too fast
[04:01] <test34> Cynthia, at least I can mount /dev/sr1 and read it
[04:01] <test34> what does sr stand for
[04:01] <Cynthia> test34: Good. But you did have to mount the CD manually, yes? It didn't appear on the Desktop at first
[04:02] <test34> Cynthia, yes I did it manually
[04:02] <Cynthia> Ok, could you add a comment to the bug please?
[04:02] <JamesB192> test34: SCSI CD-ROM
[04:03] <test34> thanks JamesB192
[04:03] <test34> Cynthia, can I use you login and password?
[04:03] <test34> (just kidding)
[04:04] <JamesB192> also likely applies to think like that SATA blu-ray drive I was ogling.
[04:04] <Cynthia> test34: no :)
[04:05] <Cynthia> on another note, wow, ext4 with extents is fast at deleting files
[04:05] <test34> Cynthia, ext2 is probably still better
[04:06] <Cynthia> test34: it reads and writes for just about a minute before deleting a 20 GB file
[04:06] <Cynthia> I mean ext2
[04:07] <test34> Cynthia, I try to not use 20gb files
[04:07] <Cynthia> Sometimes you can't help but use a single huge file
[04:08] <test34> I managed to never use a 20gb files in 15 years
[04:08] <Cynthia> even a .tar or a .tar.gz backup? :)
[04:08] <test34> yes
[04:09] <Cynthia> most of us aren't so lucky
[04:09] <test34> I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure
[04:10] <test34> well it is easy to break off an archive in multiple files
[04:10] <test34> Cynthia, you need to backup more often
[04:11] <pwnguin> with a large file, you'll hit double indirect blocks you need to read to determine which disk blocks can be reclaimed.
[04:11] <pwnguin> ext4 extents can compress that to a much smaller range
[04:12] <test34> ok, what filesize can you start to notice a difference ?
[04:12] <Cynthia> 500k blocks
[04:13] <Cynthia> that could be 500 MiB if your blocks are 1 KiB, up to 2 GiB if your blocks are 4 KiB
[04:16] <test34> Cynthia, I posted a comment on this bug
[04:17] <Cynthia> thanks :)
[04:17] <test34> I created that login in 2005.. and I think I logged in only a couple times before today
[04:19] <Cynthia> I created mine in March 2007
[04:21] <test34> don't the ubuntu team have a checklist before they release a patch?
[04:21] <test34> I guess not for the alpha?
[04:21] <Cynthia> I'd guess the same thing
[04:22] <nhasian> its not uncommon for me to have 10 or 20 gig files
[04:22] <Cynthia> They have the SRU process for release builds, and nothing much for alphas except Feature Freeze Exceptions
[04:22] <Cynthia> er, I mean Feature Freezes
[04:23] <test34> a feature freeze, does that mean a package version free?
[04:24] <Cynthia> not adding features that aren't present in current package versions - this still allows functional and security changes on existing features, though
[04:25] <test34> so it could still introduce huge bugs, but that makes sense for alpha
[04:31] <AirBender> hey, I think there's a bug in the users and groups dialog in gnome
[04:31] <AirBender> the groups list is identical to the users list
[04:33] <test34> AirBender, might be normal
[04:33] <aliendude5300> probably meant to be that way.
[04:33] <AirBender> but there are more groups
[04:34] <AirBender> and in 9.04 it shows the other groups
[04:34] <test34> AirBender, you just said it was identical
[04:34] <aliendude5300> yeah... groups like "nobody"
[04:34] <aliendude5300> with nobody in them.
[04:34] <test34> AirBender, cat /etc/group ; cat /etc/passwd
[04:34] <AirBender> I mean for example a user installed VBox
[04:34] <AirBender> and the instalation program created the group vboxusers
[04:35] <AirBender> then the user goes to the dialog to add him to the group
[04:35] <AirBender> but the group isn't there
[04:35] <AirBender> I know you can do it by commands, but...
[04:35] <test34> AirBender, there is lots of users and groups missing from mine too.. but I don't know if it's a bug
[04:36] <aliendude5300> hmm... idk, it's probably default behavior
[04:36] <AirBender> well, I'm just putting it on the table...
[04:36] <AirBender> because it seems wrong to me...
[04:38] <test34> AirBender, file a new bug and see what they think
[04:38] <AirBender> aren't "they" here?
[04:38] <test34> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+filebug
[04:39] <AirBender> I thought may be it doesn't deserve a bug report...
[04:39] <test34> AirBender, maybe afk if there are "here"
[04:39] <test34> AirBender, I support a bug report
[04:40] <test34> how do they decide to hide users and groups I don't know
[04:41] <AirBender> ok
[04:42] <AirBender> seems like a mistake in the ListControl
[04:42] <AirBender> but strange mistake
[04:42] <AirBender> I mean, is evident
[04:42] <test34> it might not be a mistake, sometimes GUIs like to hide important stuff!
[04:43] <test34> but it is worth it telling them anyways
[04:44] <test34> they might try to make it more "simple"
[04:45] <AirBender> mmm
[04:46] <AirBender> but this menu is just for adding/removing users to the groups
[04:46] <Cynthia> test34/AirBender: the last time I went in Users and Groups, the configuration "could not be loaded"
[04:46] <MindVirus> Is the topic still true?
[04:46] <test34> s/might try/might be trying
[04:46] <test34> Cynthia, try again
[04:46] <AirBender> Cynthia: I remember that...
[04:46] <test34> MindVirus, not for me
[04:47] <Cynthia> MindVirus: it may be false now, but become true at any time! :D
[04:47] <Cynthia> Though the build servers are up now
[04:47] <MindVirus> Cynthia: I know.
[04:47] <MindVirus> I just need to know if there are any known critical bugs in the updates.
[04:48] <test34> why does the build servers go down every 2 minutes?
[04:48] <Cynthia> None for me, but some users seem to have bugs that I don't get
[04:48] <Cynthia> It depends on the hardware you have
[04:48] <test34> MindVirus, I did all updates and rebooted and it still works fine
[04:49] <MindVirus> test34: There were dbus bugs.
[04:49] <MindVirus> Do you know anything about that?
[04:49] <test34> MindVirus, yesterday?
[04:50] <MindVirus> test34: I believe so.
[04:50] <test34> MindVirus, I could not boot at all yesterday, but it was fixed yesterday
[04:51] <MindVirus> I know.
[04:51] <MindVirus> But there were still dbus errors.
[04:51] <MindVirus> After the updat.e
[04:51] <MindVirus> *update.
[04:51] <AirBender> ok, i called users-admin from the command line, and there aren't noticeable errors
[04:51] <test34> I don't know then
[04:52] <MindVirus> cjwatson: Do you know if Karmic is still experiencing major errors?
[04:53] <test34> MindVirus, what was the dbus problem?
[04:53] <MindVirus> I don't know. cjwatson briefly mentioned it.
[04:54] <test34> MindVirus, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/dbus/+bug/430611
[04:54] <MindVirus> test34: is that the same bug?
[04:55] <test34> MindVirus, same bug as what????
[04:55] <MindVirus> test34: as what cjwatson was talking about.
[04:55] <test34> MindVirus, cj didnt tell me
[04:55] <MindVirus> test34: perhaps that's it.
[04:55] <MindVirus> ikonia: will you fix the topic?
[04:56] <MindVirus> test34: thanks. :D
[04:56] <test34> np
[04:56] <_sudo_> is there a udev bug yesterday?
[04:56] <Cynthia> udev in upstart maybe
[04:57] <test34> to find a bug reported within 24hours, use google and tell it to find only results within 24hours
[04:58] <test34> e.g.: search for: dbus karmic (within 24 hours)
[04:59] <test34> using the options
[05:00] <test34> got good luck with it;)
[05:01] <Cynthia> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev -- bugs after 430000 should be quite recent
[05:02] <test34> Cynthia, that is another way but you first have to find out what bug # they were at 24 hours ago
[05:02] <Cynthia> yeah, unfortunately
[05:02] <test34> they get indexed pretty quickly in google
[05:02] <test34> within an hour or two I think
[05:04] <AirBender> mm there's already a similar report but since 2008... and I have many groups listed in jaunty
[05:05] <test34> AirBender, many groups but still not all ?
[05:14] <AirBender> I haven't check that, but I think there are all the groups...
[05:16] <AirBender> 31 groups
[05:16] <AirBender> I've been reading in launchpad, and there are bug reports reporting just the opposite as what I see as a bug
[05:17] <Cynthia> must be an update
[05:17] <AirBender> so it seems like the default desired behavior is to hide the groups
[05:19] <AirBender> they think there's a risk in showing some groups, as new users might think they are users gaining acces to the computer...lol
[05:23] <test34> if somebody think this, it must have happened before unfortunately
[05:27] <AirBender> yeapso no bug report
[05:27] <AirBender> would be a waste of time
[05:29] <AirBender> ok, time to sleep
[05:40] <Elive_user84_en> hi, there.
[05:40] <moj0rising> anyone here?
[05:44] <j1mc> hi all - i'm having a bit of trouble dual booting with grub2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/430659
[05:44] <j1mc> can anyone be of assistance? is there anything that i could add to the bug report to make it more complete?
[05:46] <NoelJB> j1mc, what timezone are you in?
[05:46] <j1mc> NoelJB: UTC-6 (US Central)
[05:46] <j1mc> it's 11:45pm here
[05:46] <NoelJB> j1mc, try to swing back tomorrow during *EU* business hours, and ask.  One of the grub2 maintainers has been hanging out here, and can likely help.
[05:47] <NoelJB> j1mc, if you can wait :-)
[05:47] <j1mc> NoelJB: np.  i'm afraid that i won't have IRC access at that time, though.
[05:47] <NoelJB> j1mc, ah.  he's also been here US evenings, but seems to prefer EU time for obvious reasons.
[05:47] <NoelJB> so the earlier you can get on the better.
[05:48] <j1mc> understood - thanks for the tips.  what is his IRC nick, if you don't mind?
[05:49] <NoelJB> j1mc, actually, cjwatson seems to be signed in, but I suspect he's asleep.
[05:49] <j1mc> sure
[05:49] <NoelJB> j1mc, but I'm sure that cjwatson can look at bug 430659 and help you out.
[05:50] <j1mc> i suspected that he might get to my report eventually... he has been triaging some other grub2 reports. i figured that he might just be busy with the pending alpha release
[05:50] <j1mc> thanks again
[05:52] <NoelJB> j1mc, i'm sure he is.  :-)  I've got a dedicated grub partition and configfile setup to migrate to grub2, but I'll wait until he's got more time.  Not urgent given the other pressures (e.g. upstart).  But grub2 is new enough to most of us that it will take some time before we know it as well as we know grub 1.
[05:54] <Machtin> still no bugfix?
[05:54] <NoelJB> Machtin, for?
[05:54] <Machtin> my system not booting
[05:54] <Machtin> just am on live cd.. wanted to retry the chroot-thing
[05:57] <Machtin> I also have this problem with these udev-errors and then nothing happens
[05:57] <CyberKitsune> New package updates, should I?
[06:00] <DanaG> argh, xsplash conflicts with xsplash artwork.  hah.
[06:13] <moj0rising> I apologize since I'm sure this question has already been asked. Is there any way people who have broken non-bootable systems to at least get their machines booting properly again?
[06:13] <moj0rising> if not, anyone know of any good tutorials on reading encrypted partitions from a live cd?
[06:14] <nonix4> Is there a backport of bug#402683 fix available somewhere, since it prevents ltsp-build-client from building karmic images on pre-karmic ubuntu?
[06:29] <taneli> moj0rising: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrootRecovery
[06:29] <taneli> depends on your breakage, I guess
[06:48] <nonix4> recovery method also depends on type of encryption used... actual encrypted partition(s) or something like eCryptfs?
[06:52] <moj0rising> sorry. not sure, nonix4...
[06:52] <moj0rising> I used the standard full-disk encryption method with lvm
[06:53] <moj0rising> in the alternate install
[06:54] <moj0rising> I tried booting with the jaunty live cd and could not find any physical or logical volumes with the lvm  utilities
[06:54] <moj0rising> not sure what's wrong here.
[06:55] <moj0rising> I know its alpha and everything and I don't have much on this drive but id like to have it back working if possible,
[07:12] <aboSamoor1> why is there 0.9.17 pa release just after one day of 0.9.16 release ?
[07:13] <mjbrooks> because developers do silly things like develop
[07:14] <andresmh> so, after suffering from yesterday's breakage, I decided to install Alpha 5 from scratch. Is it safe now to run aptitude upgrade or not yet?
[07:16] <jwx> hi, usb-creator says "device needs to be formatted for use" but format option is grayed out, my question is how do I format the usb key?
[07:17] <andresmh> you can use gnome partition
[07:17] <andresmh> jwx
[07:18] <AlanBell> moj0rising: http://roderick-greening.blogspot.com/2009/09/recover-non-booting-linux-system.html
[07:18] <moj0rising> AlanBell, thanks! I'll check that out right now.
[07:19] <AlanBell> that said, on the machines I broke I could get to a command line and do another dist-upgrade and they both came back perfectly (well near enough)
[07:20] <andresmh> AlanBell, so do you know if upgrading an Alpha5 installation would break it or are problems fixed now?
[07:20] <moj0rising> ah. yeah. I can't do that because of the encrypted partitions.
[07:22] <moj0rising> AlanBell, I don't thing the link you sent will work because of the encryption.
[07:22] <jwx> andresmh: right, but what would be the correct filesystem/options to use? it's ext3 on now, but usb-creator doesn't seem to like that
[07:22] <moj0rising> I'm taking a look though.
[07:24] <moj0rising> ah. I see something that might be helpful in the comments.
[07:26] <jwx> if i format usb key with mkfs.vfat for usb-creator use, what would the best options be? should it even have partition(s)?
[07:28] <virtuald> You might need partitions to have a boot sector
[07:29] <jwx> virtuald: ok
[07:30] <jwx> thanks
[07:30] <virtuald> But I don't really know
[07:30] <virtuald> :)
[07:31] <jwx> ok =)
[07:52] <eagles0513875> hey
[08:04]  * mjbrooks yawns
[08:06] <eagles0513875> morning mjbrooks
[08:06] <eagles0513875> im swearing  up a storm here :(
[08:06] <mjbrooks> arigato!
[08:06] <eagles0513875> damn keyboard and mouse
[08:06] <mjbrooks> oh?
[08:07] <mjbrooks> sheesh, I'm rusty... that was thank you.. bwahahaah
[08:07] <eagles0513875> hehe
[08:07] <eagles0513875> what should i do :(
[08:08] <eagles0513875> to fix my keyboard and mouse
[08:08] <mjbrooks> press CNTRL+ALT... er... hehee
[08:08] <mjbrooks> What is the general issue... no control on boot?
[08:10] <mjbrooks> did you tackle the fsck issue already? It happened at the same time and they both resolves with the same update
[08:10] <mjbrooks> s/resolves/resolved/;
[08:11] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: no mouse no keyboard what ever the run level
[08:11] <eagles0513875> wether it be runlevel one or the login screen
[08:11] <mjbrooks> encrypted drives?
[08:12] <eagles0513875> no
[08:12] <mjbrooks> boot to a desktop CD...
[08:12] <eagles0513875> will jaunty work
[08:12] <mjbrooks> yes
[08:12] <mjbrooks> er...
[08:13] <mjbrooks> maybe not
[08:13] <mjbrooks> well... it will but you'll have to do extra work
[08:13] <mjbrooks> do you want to do it with jaunty?
[08:14] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: wait i have a karmic one but i dont get any desktop
[08:15] <mjbrooks> do you get a term with it?
[08:18] <eagles0513875> tty1 console in runlevel 2
[08:18] <eagles0513875> yes i do
[08:19] <skatteola> Should I take the topic to mean that there's no use in complaining about non-working upstart/mountall/wherevertheproblemis? :)
[08:19] <eagles0513875> hehe exactly skatteola lol
[08:19] <eagles0513875> im having issues of a different nature so i can complain
[08:20] <eagles0513875> there is actually away around the builds not working
[08:20] <eagles0513875> is install jaunty and upgrade
[08:20] <mjbrooks> Boot to a Desktop CD or a cd where you at least get a console
[08:20] <mjbrooks> Mount the partition(s) for your system (/home if seperate is not needed)
[08:20] <mjbrooks> do a 'sudo chroot /wherever/the/broken/systems/root/is/mounted/'
[08:21] <mjbrooks> Then 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade'
[08:21] <mjbrooks> reboot... et voila
[08:21] <eagles0513875> interesting :)
[08:21] <Cynthia> drat, aliendude5300 quit with no error and I still had a file transfer with him
[08:21] <skatteola> I've done that a few times I'm afraid
[08:21] <mjbrooks> skatteola, that was for eagles0513875 issue
[08:21] <skatteola> ah, I see.
[08:22] <eagles0513875> skatteola: upgrades arrent working either
[08:22] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, I got my mouse/keyboard back after that and also somewhat overcame the fsck date in the future issue... though I setill get ugly arse warnings about udev
[08:23] <eagles0513875> humm
[08:23] <eagles0513875> ok
[08:23] <eagles0513875> well let me reboot and if you dont mind walking me through this again mjbrooks plz cuz vista needs it
[08:24] <skatteola> So, uhm, are there any outstanding issues left with failing boots that are known?
[08:27] <skatteola> mountall seems to fail, and it seems to receive garbled and irrelevant(?) paths from somewhere (resulting in things like, mountall: <garbled>/sndstat: No such file or directory" and a failed boot).
[08:35] <mjbrooks> sorry gf destroyed a vase.. was cleaning glass... be a couple more minutes
[08:38] <virtuald> Beat her to perfection
[08:39] <eagles0513875> ok mjbrooks
[08:41] <mjbrooks> someone is challenges by physics... topheavy vases prefer to upend
[08:41] <mjbrooks> ok, where were we?
[08:42] <eagles0513875> still booting
[08:42] <mjbrooks> ouch
[08:42] <eagles0513875> shit :(
[08:42] <eagles0513875> whoopps
[08:42] <eagles0513875> crud
[08:42] <eagles0513875> O_O
[08:42] <eagles0513875> im on the cd and in tty1
[08:42] <eagles0513875> and its asking me to login
[08:42] <mjbrooks> ok
[08:42] <mjbrooks> live cd... username ubuntu
[08:42] <mjbrooks> empty paswword
[08:42] <eagles0513875> i know the user name to login on the live cd is ubuntu but i have some messed up graphics to where i cant see or type :(
[08:43] <eagles0513875> ok
[08:43] <mjbrooks> you can't see th screen?
[08:43] <eagles0513875> this is acting really loko
[08:43] <eagles0513875> i have really big resolution
[08:43] <eagles0513875> ok let me wire myself to the network here
[08:43] <mjbrooks> see... size does matter!
[08:44] <eagles0513875> hahha
[08:45] <mjbrooks> let me know when you've got the intewebs
[08:45] <eagles0513875> i am having some issues :(
[08:45] <eagles0513875> rebooting now with network plugged in
[08:45] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, aren't we all, but let's stay on task  ;)
[08:46] <eagles0513875> hehehe mjbrooks
[08:46] <eagles0513875> the poor koala is having more issues the most of us
[08:46] <mjbrooks> rebooting wasn't necessary
[08:46] <eagles0513875> i was restarting networking but got no ip
[08:46] <eagles0513875> no nothing
[08:47] <mjbrooks> o_O orly?
[08:47] <eagles0513875> ya
[08:47] <eagles0513875> i have found rebooting with the network cable plugged in fixes the situation
[08:48] <mjbrooks> you must have an odd duck card
[08:48] <eagles0513875> hehe funnily enough all the laptops i have had in the past are broadcom
[08:48] <eagles0513875> wired is nforce chipset if i remember correctly on this mac
[08:48] <mjbrooks> Broadcom == POS
[08:48] <mjbrooks> its' a mac?
[08:49] <eagles0513875> hehe not really kubuntu is the only distro which has a restricted driver manager that finds the driver for ya
[08:49] <eagles0513875> ya macbook pro 13inch
[08:49] <eagles0513875> nvidia chipset and 9400M video card
[08:49] <eagles0513875> humm
[08:49] <eagles0513875> thats messed up
[08:49] <eagles0513875> now i have normal resolution
[08:49] <eagles0513875> interesting
[08:49] <eagles0513875> nwo im logged in
[08:49] <mjbrooks> must've missed a byte on the first go 'round
[08:50] <mjbrooks> finicky cds
[08:51] <mjbrooks> how are your partitions setup for linux? one big one? a seperate home?
[08:51] <eagles0513875> one big one
[08:51] <eagles0513875> dont have much space on the hdd
[08:51] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, I get that alot ;)
[08:52] <eagles0513875> i have only 160gb hdd
[08:52] <mjbrooks> do you know which device it's at?
[08:53] <eagles0513875> im doing fdisk -l to try get a list but it wont list em
[08:53] <eagles0513875> humm
[08:54] <eagles0513875> drawing a blank is fdisk -l supposed to list my partitions
[08:54] <mjbrooks> sudo fdisk -l
[08:55] <eagles0513875> ok i got my partition
[08:55] <eagles0513875> my bootable partition is /dev/sda4
[08:55] <mjbrooks> so / is /dev/sda4?
[08:55] <eagles0513875> ya
[08:55] <eagles0513875> so sudo mount /dev/sda4
[08:56] <mjbrooks> do a 'ls /mnt' to see if that's free
[08:56] <eagles0513875> nothing is there
[08:56] <mjbrooks> k
[08:56] <mjbrooks> sudo mount /dev/sda4 /mnt
[08:56] <eagles0513875> its there
[08:56] <mjbrooks> ls /mnt shows you stuff?
[08:58] <eagles0513875> yes it does
[08:58] <mjbrooks> let's make sure you have internet
[08:58] <mjbrooks> ping -c 2 www.google.com
[08:58] <mjbrooks> get a reply?
[08:59] <eagles0513875> no
[08:59] <eagles0513875> O_O
[08:59] <mjbrooks> ugh
[08:59] <eagles0513875> :(
[08:59] <mjbrooks> a bit important
[08:59] <eagles0513875> an dim in runlevel 2
[08:59] <mjbrooks> lol
[08:59] <eagles0513875> ya
[08:59] <eagles0513875> i should have network
[08:59] <eagles0513875> hold on a sec
[08:59] <mjbrooks> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[09:00] <mjbrooks> or some do a 'sudo dhclient'
[09:01] <mjbrooks> do you have a bunny? perhaps it dines on your cat5
[09:01] <mjbrooks> I had a client call me to his house... no mouse or keyboard no matter what he did... his daughter's bunny ate clear through all the wires
[09:02] <mjbrooks> but he had no idea
[09:02] <eagles0513875> no mjbrooks cuz if thats the case this machine wouldnt be connected
[09:02] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:02] <eagles0513875> i have some random network drops though
[09:02] <eagles0513875> and for some reason its trying to get dhcp on my pan bluetooth device as well as my eth0 :(
[09:02] <eagles0513875> got nothing :(
[09:03] <eagles0513875> could i go through the headache of assigning it a static ip
[09:04] <mjbrooks> sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[09:04] <mjbrooks> make sure you have 'auto eth0' and 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' lines in there
[09:04] <eagles0513875> all there is is auto lol if lo inetloopback
[09:04] <eagles0513875> will add those now
[09:05] <mjbrooks> then sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[09:05] <eagles0513875> ok let me run sudo dhclient now that i have restarted the network
[09:05] <mjbrooks> k
[09:06] <eagles0513875> running sudo ldconfig as its complaining about a shared lib
[09:06] <eagles0513875> libc.so.6
[09:06]  * mjbrooks sighs
[09:06] <mjbrooks> too bad it wasn't a bunny
[09:06] <eagles0513875> hehe
[09:06] <mjbrooks> rabbit soup is yummy
[09:06] <eagles0513875> i need to upgrade the firmware on my router
[09:07] <eagles0513875> wtf its still complaining about the libc.so.6 lib
[09:07] <eagles0513875> cannot open shared object file no such file or directory
[09:08] <MindVIrus> Could someone help me connect to the Internet through the command prompt only? I'm following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188 but it's failing me. I unencrypted my router for easier access and it still won't work.
[09:08] <mjbrooks> got a more recent live cd lying around?
[09:08] <MindVIrus> I'm just getting DHCPDISCOVER messages until it says "sleeping."
[09:09] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: that is the most recent one of karmic alpha 5
[09:09] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: also have a jaunty cd lying around near me
[09:09] <mjbrooks> ouch
[09:09] <MindVIrus> As the topic stated, the latest builds broke my box.
[09:09] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: hes getting the same error message as me
[09:09] <MindVIrus> So NetworkManager won't start.
[09:10] <MindVIrus> Along with GDM.
[09:10] <eagles0513875> MindVIrus: im in the process of trying to fix a different issue but i 2 need net access to to fix it
[09:10] <mjbrooks> boot jaunty then
[09:10] <MindVIrus> When I try to run startx, my keyboard and trackpad don't work.
[09:10] <MindVIrus> mjbrooks, to me?
[09:10] <eagles0513875> MindVIrus: exact problem im having
[09:10] <eagles0513875> keyboard and trackpad dont work for me either
[09:10] <mjbrooks> you're both having related issues
[09:11] <eagles0513875> ya
[09:11] <eagles0513875> hehe
[09:11] <mjbrooks> MindVIrus, got a live cd lying around?
[09:11] <MindVIrus> mjbrooks, why?
[09:11] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, boot to jaunty then... this should technically work with it
[09:11] <mjbrooks> MindVIrus, because you're welcome to follow along
[09:11] <MindVIrus> mjbrooks, I don't have a CD drive.
[09:12] <MindVIrus> I need to get my wireless working.
[09:12] <mjbrooks> Oy Vey!  (and I'm not even jewish!)
[09:12] <MindVIrus> Right.
[09:12] <eagles0513875> do u have ssh installed MindVIrus
[09:12] <MindVIrus> eagles0513875, what good will that help without Interwebs?
[09:12] <mjbrooks> lol
[09:12] <MindVIrus> (Yes, I do.)
[09:13] <eagles0513875> if you can wire yourself ot ur network the wifi we can solve later once we get ur keyboard and mouse working via ssh
[09:13]  * eagles0513875 will install ssh on karmic once i get things working again
[09:13] <MindVIrus> Via SSH? You plan on SSHing into my box?
[09:13] <eagles0513875> noooo
[09:14] <MindVIrus> OK. Good.
[09:14] <eagles0513875> hehehe i want to install ssh on mine just in case i have issues with keyboard and mouse
[09:14] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, I need to sleep soon
[09:14] <eagles0513875> ok its booting now
[09:14] <MindVIrus> The first thing I need to fix is my webnet.
[09:15] <MindVIrus> This will help solve everything else.
[09:15] <eagles0513875> ya
[09:15] <eagles0513875> kde is loading
[09:15] <MindVIrus> So, is anyone around here experienced with command-prompt wireless?
[09:15] <mjbrooks> MindVIrus, I avoid it like the plague
[09:15] <eagles0513875> same
[09:16] <eagles0513875> i have been lucky with my wifi cards and the drivers being in the repos
[09:16] <mjbrooks> MindVIrus, just remember to run all your commands to get it to connect with sudo... tha's all the advice I can give on it
[09:17] <MindVIrus> Mky driver functions.
[09:17] <MindVIrus> *My
[09:17] <MindVIrus> mjbrooks, thanks, already do. :)
[09:17] <eagles0513875> loading terminal
[09:17] <eagles0513875> ok i have it up
[09:17] <eagles0513875> will mount my partition
[09:17] <mjbrooks> yay
[09:18] <mjbrooks> double yay
[09:18] <eagles0513875> ok thats mounted
[09:18] <mjbrooks> ping -c 2 www.google.com
[09:18] <eagles0513875> and no ip :(
[09:18] <eagles0513875> O_O
[09:18] <mjbrooks> cwap
[09:18] <mjbrooks> is it plugged in?
[09:19] <eagles0513875> ya
[09:19] <mjbrooks> on both ends?
[09:19] <mjbrooks> ;)
[09:19] <eagles0513875> well doh
[09:19] <eagles0513875> was loose on router end
[09:19] <sagaci> is alpha 6 nearly out
[09:19] <mjbrooks> bwahaahahahahahaaahahaha
[09:19] <eagles0513875> now im connected
[09:19] <mjbrooks> I KILL YOU!
[09:19] <eagles0513875> sagaci: far from it m8 look at the topic
[09:19] <eagles0513875> :(
[09:20] <mjbrooks> ping -c 2 www.google.com
[09:20] <eagles0513875> we live
[09:20] <mjbrooks> sudo mount /dev/sda4 /mnt
[09:20] <mjbrooks> ls /mnt show stuff
[09:20] <sagaci> eagles0513875: i didn't think there was a ubuntu+2 but have they decided much about the 10,xx release
[09:21] <eagles0513875> already did the mounting of my partition
[09:21] <eagles0513875> sagaci: ? what u mean
[09:21] <mjbrooks> great
[09:21] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, sudo chroot /mnt
[09:21] <eagles0513875> ok chrooted
[09:21] <eagles0513875> sagaci: this is for the current 9.10 dev release
[09:22] <mjbrooks> so if you do ls /home you home folder should be in there not the live cd
[09:22] <sagaci> well weren't they going to maybe synchronise the LTS release with debian or something, is there a channel for that
[09:22] <eagles0513875> ya it is mjbrooks
[09:22] <eagles0513875> sagaci: not sure do you use ubuntu or kubuntu
[09:22] <sagaci> ubuntu
[09:22] <mjbrooks> watch to see if this next one looks to the karmic servers... I can't remember if this works
[09:22] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, sudo apt-get update
[09:23] <eagles0513875> ok
[09:23] <mjbrooks> is it pulling from karmic?
[09:23] <eagles0513875> it does but it fails
[09:23] <mjbrooks> fails?
[09:23] <eagles0513875> failed to fetch the repo could not resolve
[09:23] <sagaci> it doesn't really matter, i was just wondering, thought i'd try out the alpha 6 if it was out in a VM but i guess i'll wait until some things are ironed out
[09:23] <mjbrooks> ugh
[09:23] <eagles0513875> i think might need to add a resolve.conf file with the dns ip of my router
[09:24] <eagles0513875> sagaci: last i heard yesterday 6 was in QA
[09:24] <mjbrooks> did oyu ping gogole earlier?
[09:24] <mjbrooks> google
[09:24] <eagles0513875> ya
[09:24] <sagaci> eagles0513875: err, what's qa
[09:24] <MindVIrus> I just got a 6MB update from `apt-get update` but when I did `apt-get upgrade` there were no packages to ugprade. Does this mean that only packages that I don't have installed were updated?
[09:24] <eagles0513875> sagaci: quality assurance
[09:24] <maxb> MindVIrus: correct
[09:24] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: let me add a resolve.conf file in /etc and see if that helps
[09:24] <MindVIrus> maxb, I find it kind of hard to believe.
[09:25] <mjbrooks> ok
[09:25] <maxb> I don't
[09:25] <eagles0513875> ummm question do i add it to the chroot environment or the jaunty one
[09:25] <MindVIrus> maxb, this has NEVER happened.
[09:25] <maxb> I find that hard to believe
[09:25] <mjbrooks> should be in chroot
[09:25] <MindVIrus> :)
[09:25] <eagles0513875> MindVIrus: dont forget this is a development version still so breakage is expected
[09:25] <mjbrooks> that's all it knows now
[09:25] <MindVIrus> eagles0513875 I can read the topic.
[09:25] <MindVIrus> Oh, it's not in the topic right now.
[09:26] <MindVIrus> It was.
[09:26] <MindVIrus> I'm not complaining about breakage. :)
[09:26] <robin0800> MindVIrus: still is
[09:26] <MindVirus> robin0800, before there was a warning: Karmic may break your system.
[09:26] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: cant restart the network its saying command not found O_O
[09:27] <robin0800> MindVirus: yes Neither karmic nor the buildds are in a working state right now.
[09:27] <MindVirus> eagles0513875, so you know, I didn't do anything that relates to anything, but my keyboard and mouse started working again.
[09:27] <eagles0513875> wtf
[09:27] <eagles0513875> MindVirus: O_O
[09:27] <MindVirus> eagles0513875, I read something about giving dbus time to start up.
[09:27] <eagles0513875> well hasnt been my case
[09:27] <mjbrooks> get anything with 'ls /etc/init.d' ?
[09:27] <eagles0513875> humm might have to try that
[09:27] <sagaci> do you guys know what the problem is or are you still diagnosing
[09:27] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: hold on
[09:27] <MindVirus> eagles0513875, you should try startx after like 15 minutes.
[09:28] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: im tempted to try mindvirus's method
[09:28] <eagles0513875> MindVirus: i boot right into x after fixing that issue
[09:28] <MindVirus> What issue?
[09:29] <eagles0513875> MindVirus: i had an issue where i wasnt able to boot into x
[09:29] <eagles0513875> turned out after installing the video driver from the nvidia website and i was able to get to kde
[09:30] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: at least i know how to get to the save way if i still have the issue
[09:30] <MindVIrus5> eagles0513875, did you try?
[09:30] <eagles0513875> im gonna reboot onto my install and see if i get the same resolution like MindVIrus5
[09:30] <eagles0513875> going to no
[09:30] <eagles0513875> w
[09:30] <MindVIrus5> I see.
[09:30] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, gl
[09:30] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: will keep ya posted
[09:30] <mjbrooks> k
[09:30]  * mjbrooks rebeer
[09:32] <robin0800> eagles0513875: there was an update to mountall just now may help?
[09:32] <eagles0513875> well i have no keyboard or mouse
[09:32] <eagles0513875> thats what im trying to fix right now
[09:33] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks:  and MindVIrus5 giving some time for dbus to load will do other things while i wait
[09:40] <MindVIrus5> eagles0513875, so you know, I didn't instantly run startx.
[09:40] <MindVIrus5> That may be the issue.
[09:40] <eagles0513875> possibly
[09:40] <MindVIrus5> If you wait 15 minutes in the command prompt and then run startx it may work.
[09:40] <eagles0513875> thing is even if i boot into runlevel 1
[09:40] <eagles0513875> i have no keyboard and mouse
[09:40] <MindVIrus5> cjwatson_, do you have any insight?
[09:41] <MindVIrus5> cjwatson_, I don't know if you're there or not, but eagles0513875's keyboard/mouse don't work.
[09:41] <MindVIrus5> Nor did mine.
[09:41] <eagles0513875> but u managed to get urs to work
[09:41] <MindVIrus5> eagles0513875, somehow.
[09:42] <eagles0513875> hehe
[09:42] <eagles0513875> the koala doesnt like to behave
[09:42] <AlanBell> MindVIrus5: usb or ps/2? not that I have any great insight into the matter
[09:42] <MindVIrus5> eagles0513875, does GDM start right up for you or do you drop into a console?
[09:42] <MindVIrus5> AlanBell, I'm guessing my laptop uses USB.
[09:42] <eagles0513875> MindVIrus5:  im on kdm
[09:42] <MindVIrus5> AlanBell, that is, internally.
[09:42] <eagles0513875> AlanBell: same with mine its a trackpad
[09:42] <MindVIrus5> eagles0513875, that then.
[09:43] <eagles0513875> kdm starts im seeing the login screen
[09:43] <AlanBell> ok, so an integrated laptop keyboard. Can you plug in an external one?
[09:43] <MindVIrus5> eagles0513875, try booting into the recovery console.
[09:43] <eagles0513875> i  dont have a usb one
[09:43] <eagles0513875> MindVIrus5: same issue with the box comes up with the list of options in runlevel one no keyboard
[09:43] <MindVIrus5> AlanBell, it's definitely not a problem with the mouse or keyboard separately.
[09:43] <eagles0513875> and my monitor just went black now
[09:43] <MindVIrus5> eagles0513875, perhaps you had something different than I.
[09:44] <eagles0513875> AlanBell:  MindVIrus5 gave 15 min so dbus could start up and it worked for him
[09:44] <MindVIrus5> eagles0513875, I was always able to use keyboard (and mouse using GPM) in the command prompt.
[09:44] <eagles0513875> MindVIrus5: posisbly my isses of x crashing on boot untill i installed the driver from nvidia
[09:44] <MindVIrus5> eagles0513875, did you get KDM to work or did it always?
[09:45] <eagles0513875> always worked once i installed the video driver from nvidia and not the one from the repos
[09:45] <eagles0513875> btw im duelbooting with boot camp on a mac book pro
[09:45] <MindVIrus5> eagles0513875, I'm almost sure that we have different problems then.
[09:45] <eagles0513875> so my issues might be slightlly different then the normal
[09:45] <MindVIrus5> I got dropped into a command prompt.
[09:45] <eagles0513875> same with me at the beginning
[09:45] <MindVIrus5> eagles0513875, that's what I meant, then.
[09:45] <MindVIrus5> How'd you fix it?
[09:45] <eagles0513875> MindVIrus5: installed the driver from the nvidia site and it worked
[09:46] <MindVIrus5> eagles0513875, damnit, I don't have an nVidia driver.
[09:46] <eagles0513875> MindVIrus5: if you look form another machine and then you can use wget to get the driver from the site once u have the url
[09:46] <MindVIrus5> eagles0513875, I don't have a card.
[09:46] <MindVIrus5> :P
[09:46] <eagles0513875> O_O
[09:46] <MindVIrus5> I have Intel graphics.
[09:46] <eagles0513875> you have no net do ya :(
[09:46] <MindVIrus5> I do have net.
[09:47] <eagles0513875> ahhhh
[09:47] <MindVIrus5> Because my keyboard/mouse work now.
[09:47] <eagles0513875> mine is nvidia
[09:47] <eagles0513875> humm strange
[09:47] <MindVIrus5> Bye, me.
[09:47] <eagles0513875> heheheh MindVirus
[09:48] <MindVirus> Wooo! Updates. :)
[09:48] <MindVirus> :( Nothing relating to me.
[09:49] <eagles0513875> :(
[09:49] <eagles0513875> well its been 15 min
[09:49] <eagles0513875> and nothing
[09:50] <MindVirus> eagles0513875, we probably have different problems.
[09:50] <eagles0513875> ya but one thing in common
[09:50] <eagles0513875> keyboard and mouse weirdness
[09:50] <eagles0513875> im debating if i should reinstall with the karmic alpha 5 alternate cd i have
[09:50] <MindVirus> eagles0513875, Right. Odd that your keyboard won't work in the command prompt.
[09:51] <eagles0513875> hehe tell me bout it
[09:51] <eagles0513875> then again i have another oddity on a clean install of karmic
[09:51] <eagles0513875> for some reason boot camp doesnt pick up my linux partition when i have a clean install of karmic
[09:52] <eagles0513875> going for a clean install no on the alpha 5 cd i have
[09:56] <MindVirus> eagles0513875, roger that.
[09:59] <AlanBell> I have a feeling that if you go back to A5 you will still have a hurdle to cross to get to where we are now.
[10:00] <MindVirus> eagles0513875, if you're not looking at this channel, AlanBell typed to you.
[10:00] <AlanBell> that said it would be a worthy experiment
[10:00] <eagles0513875> AlanBell: i know what the issue is in regards to me not having any desktop
[10:00] <eagles0513875> so that wont be a big herdel to overcome
[10:05] <|eagles0513875|> ok hummm
[10:05] <|eagles0513875|> blaargage
[10:05]  * |eagles0513875| waves good by to the ghost
[10:05] <MindVirus> Don't be offended but I am surprised that your nickname was registered.
[10:05] <|eagles0513875|> hehe
[10:05] <|eagles0513875|> it is
[10:05] <|eagles0513875|> :)
[10:06] <|eagles0513875|> brb need to reboot updating my nforce drivers
[10:16] <eagles0513875> im back
[10:16] <eagles0513875> here goes nothing installing grub2
[10:16] <eagles0513875> hope boot camp picks up the partition since im installing it on an efi bootable partition :(
[10:16] <eagles0513875> YAY
[10:17] <eagles0513875> thats unusual
[10:17] <eagles0513875> ok
[10:17] <eagles0513875> O_O
[10:18] <eagles0513875> BSBSBSBS
[10:19] <eagles0513875> still not working after a reinstall
[10:19] <eagles0513875> sup
[10:19] <David-T> I don't suppose the karmic brokeness would explain my why computer spontanously did a hard shutdown for no reason...?
[10:20] <eagles0513875> David-T: their is weirdness all over the board
[10:21] <eagles0513875> im having some weirdness too
[10:23] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: :)
[10:23] <eagles0513875> hehe found a fix to my issue
[10:24] <eagles0513875> MindVirus: :)
[10:25] <eagles0513875> booted onto the karmic install cd :) and am using it as a rescue cd since  the keyboard and mouse still werent working
[10:25] <eagles0513875> updating now
[10:31] <eagles0513875> hey genii
[10:38] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875. updating the install or just the livecd instance?
[10:41] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: no chose my partiton that i installed on
[10:50] <robin0800> This bug will still be in Alpha 6 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/430654
[10:53] <keith2> What's the deal with the new recovery menu?
[10:54] <keith2> or is that not new?
[10:56] <eagles0513875> keith2: ?
[10:56] <eagles0513875> thats not new
[10:56] <eagles0513875> its quite handy to be honest
[10:57] <Ian_Corne> is the fsck issue fixed?
[10:57] <Ian_Corne> !fsck
[10:59] <keith2> eagles0513875: why does it come up with the shutdown now command?
[10:59] <eagles0513875> O_O
[10:59] <eagles0513875> never has
[10:59] <eagles0513875> at least not that i have seen keith2
[11:00] <ToreadorVampire> OK ... so my Jaunty install finally died on me - probably disk errors since I have been running the OS from a cheap USB flash drive for ~5 months now
[11:00] <keith2> eagles0513875: a search for ubuntu recovery menu shows others that have experienced the same behavior.
[11:00] <eagles0513875> well ill let u know once im finished here as i am in recovery moded
[11:00] <eagles0513875> mode as we speak updating my install
[11:01] <ToreadorVampire> ... currently in the process of installing karmic alpha5 - I was never really happy with Jaunty and had a number of issues - it felt like alpha-quality software even in the release ... that said - I'm going to try and approach karmic with a fresh mind ... so on to my question ...
[11:01] <keith2> eagles, apparently variants of the shutdown command such as shutdown -P now don't do that though.
[11:01] <ToreadorVampire> ... is there anything in Karmic A5 (Kubuntu-variant) that I should specifically watch out for?
[11:02] <ToreadorVampire> I noticed at first glance that /dev/ has been totally reorganised and the jury is out as to whether I like the change or not ...
[11:02] <eagles0513875> that was weird
[11:02] <eagles0513875> that just randomly rebooted my machine O_O
[11:02] <ToreadorVampire> ... but anything else that might be a "wtf"?
[11:02] <eagles0513875> ToreadorVampire: there is alot of wtf going on
[11:02] <ToreadorVampire> oic, haha
[11:02] <keith2> ToreadorVampire, there are a number of major changes going on right now
[11:03] <keith2> Was your issue with Jaunty or KDE?
[11:03] <eagles0513875> mine keith2
[11:03] <Ian_Corne> ToreadorVampire: be carefull
[11:03] <ToreadorVampire> keith2> Well, I had 2 major issues - and I never managed to get a satisfactory answer as to what the cause of either was :(
[11:03] <Ian_Corne> karmic is still alpha, make sure you have an ethernet connection + livecd on standby
[11:03] <eagles0513875> what were they
[11:04] <eagles0513875> tell me bout it
[11:04] <eagles0513875> my keyboard and trackpad stopped working for me yesterday
[11:04] <eagles0513875> and my other issue was with x not starting but that was fixed by a weird solution
[11:04] <keith2> yeah, yesterday's bugs were fixed up and apt-get upgrade
[11:04] <vistakiller> every 2-3 boot the system say to run fsck
[11:04] <keith2> i had to do a chroot recovery
[11:05] <vistakiller> why this?
[11:06] <ToreadorVampire> Well, the /most/ annoying was a copypaste issue in X, and it seemed to manifest mostly when I was running GTK-based apps ... it's a little hard to explain but I would be selecting text with the mouse (or the keyboard) and - even though I hadn't released the mouse button (or shift if keyboard-selecting) the 'text I had selected so far' would get forcibly deselected and copied to my clipboard (not selection buf
[11:06] <ToreadorVampire> fer)
[11:07] <joaopinto> vistakiller, known problem, being fixed
[11:07] <ToreadorVampire> It was a little like the way that xchat (and possibly a few other IRC clients) work by default ... you select text and it immediately copies your selection to the clipboard without needing to use "Copy"
[11:07] <Ian_Corne> trying to boot with automatic fsck disabled doesn't fix my problem :(
[11:08] <Ian_Corne> gah forgot to update while i was there
[11:09] <ToreadorVampire> Except that it was doing it in numerous apps (including: pidgin & monodevelop) and it was "ending my selection and performing the copy" just when I paused the mouse and didn't alter my selection for a few moments
[11:09] <joaopinto> ToreadorVampire, have you filled a bug report about it ?
[11:09] <ToreadorVampire> joaopinto> I believe I did, but I never got any response
[11:09]  * ToreadorVampire tries to find it
[11:11] <ToreadorVampire> The main problem was that I'd ask the kubuntu guys and they said "sounds like gtk bug", so I'd ask the gtk guys and they blamed someone else, I went and asked the Xorg guys (just in case) and eventually got dragged into a circle of blame, I couldn't figure out which aspect of the software was responsible
[11:12] <ToreadorVampire> Ah, here we are
[11:12] <ToreadorVampire> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/380907
[11:13] <vistakiller> thanks
[11:13] <ToreadorVampire> It's been sitting there since late May :(
[11:13]  * ToreadorVampire pretty much gave up with it
[11:15] <ToreadorVampire> Hang on, Karmis install on my laptop nearly finished - will return from there in a sec
[11:16] <joaopinto> ToreadorVampire, you have read the topic right ?
[11:18] <ToreadorVampire> Yes, I noticed that - but I'm not installing from trunk - I'm using the alpha5 release linked from Kubuntu.org
[11:18] <ToreadorVampire> Besides, I'd say "it seemed to have worked just fine"
[11:26] <AlanBell> ToreadorVampire: I can't reproduce that selection thing
[11:27] <AlanBell> using gedit, copy some text to the clipboard, confirm it is there with ctrl+v, select some other text, pause, ctrl+v and the original copied text gets pasted
[11:28] <AlanBell> is it only when using gtk apps from kubuntu desktop?
[11:32] <ToreadorVampire> It seemed so, but I later found it to be intermittent and I never really figured out anything solid that helped me reproduce it
[11:32] <ToreadorVampire> But yes, when I did experience it it was only in GTK-based apps, and Kubuntu Desktop/Jaunty
[11:34] <jtheuer> Hi, In Karmic I found this issue: I just installed the konqueror. When I start it I just get: konqueror: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkonquerorprivate.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN19KonqHistoryProvider16staticMetaObjectE
[11:34] <jtheuer> any idea which lib is missing?
[11:37] <joaopinto> ToreadorVampire, unless you disable your internet connection somehow, the updates with the alpha5 may get you a broken system
[11:40] <ToreadorVampire> joaopinto> Oh, right, OK, but I still have to approve those updates right?  I mean, it's not going to install the updated packages without confirmation?
[11:41] <joaopinto> ToreadorVampire, it installs the updates without asking you
[11:41] <ToreadorVampire> Arghwtf
[11:41] <joaopinto> unless you can disabled it from the advanced options
[11:41] <joaopinto> you can't, on the default install
[11:43] <muszek> I was considering upgrading to Karmic once Alpha 6 comes out... but now I'm looking at the subject and gotta ask - are there some major instabilities?  Is it some long-term problem?
[11:43] <joaopinto> is the current behaviour of grub2 not adding a entry for other OS installs, expected on the final release ?
[11:43] <GobiTheGoblin> Any mayor crash reports on new updates?
[11:43] <ToreadorVampire> Erm - OK - I'm looking at kpackagekit's settings and it's set to "only notify me of updates" not to auto-install them
[11:43] <joaopinto> muszek, as of yesterday you could get an unbootable system, not sure about today
[11:44] <joaopinto> ToreadorVampire, I am talking about the install process, not the system update
[11:44] <muszek> joaopinto: thanks, I'll keep waiting then.
[11:44] <ToreadorVampire> Oh - right - yeah, I had no Internet connetcion during the install process ...
[11:44] <ToreadorVampire> I have just configured my wifi just now (on the completed install)
[11:47] <ToreadorVampire> I'll have to add an autojoin here on that machine then - when things settle down then I will install all of the (umpteen) recommended updates
[11:49] <acicula> hmm upstart script for networkmanager broke
[11:50] <eagles0513875> acicula: look at the channel topic
[11:50] <acicula> eagles0513875: old, was like that yesterday, this is new
[11:50] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: ty for pointing that out.. I was just about to update =)
[11:50] <acicula> er
[11:50] <eagles0513875> its still not in a working state
[11:51] <acicula> noticed
[11:51] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: still no luck here might reinstall jaunty and upgrade as that seems to be the only way to get a semi working install of karmic
[11:51] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: What about older images? Are they still available?
[11:52] <eagles0513875> dunno i have alpha 5 install but am having issues
[11:52] <acicula> the previous alphas are available
[11:52] <ToreadorVampire> Hmm
[11:53] <joaopinto> IMHO installing karmic does not make much sense at this time
[11:53] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: You have multiple Os in your computer?
[11:53] <eagles0513875> ya
[11:53] <eagles0513875> osx
[11:53] <eagles0513875> whats strange is i am only having random freezes on my karmic vm on this machine
[11:55] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: joaopinto, might be right there. May be should just wait until they get some fixes...
[11:55] <eagles0513875> ya
[11:55] <eagles0513875> but at least i would like it installed until fixes ar available
[11:56] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: well that is true. What if you try older images, and reinstalling from them?
[11:56] <GobiTheGoblin> atleast 3-4 days old, before all these problems
[11:56] <eagles0513875> ifworse come sto worse
[11:56] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: what i did was install jaunty cuz it works then upgraded
[11:57] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: That is so strange =)
[11:57] <eagles0513875> hehe once i upgraded i had that x crashing issue which i know how to fix now
[11:57] <eagles0513875> then yesterday keyboard and trackpad stopped working on me
[11:59] <rysiek> hi guys
[11:59] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: so the upgraded version doesn't upgrade everything...
[11:59] <rysiek> I am trying to get over the grub2 migration and actually be able to configure *something* in grub2
[11:59] <eagles0513875> exactly GobiTheGoblin
[11:59] <rysiek> where can I find the ifnfo on where the heck is GRUB_TIMEOUT being set?
[11:59] <eagles0513875> rysiek: see topic lots of stuff on karmic is broken atm
[12:00] <rysiek> eagles0513875: no problemo, I can hanbdle a broken distro; what I can't habndl;e at all is lack of documentation and vars being set up out of GRUB's a** ;)
[12:00] <rysiek> *handle
[12:00] <GobiTheGoblin> rysiek, but there is a command what searches filestrings in side files... can't remember how it was done atm
[12:00] <eagles0513875> !grub2 | ryanakca
[12:00] <eagles0513875> whoops wrong person
[12:00] <eagles0513875> sry ryanakca
[12:00] <eagles0513875> rysiek:  check that link on the wiki not sure if it will help any
[12:01] <rysiek> okay
[12:01] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: Is the grub broken atm?
[12:01] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: Or is it multiple things?
[12:02] <eagles0513875> never got a chance to test grub 2 after upgrading
[12:02] <eagles0513875> and for me it would be a different problem then a normal pc user as i am duel booting on a macbook pro
[12:02] <rysiek> eagles0513875: precisely what I needed; no idea why I haven't checked the ubuntu wiki
[12:02] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: Did you read the list about grub 2 compatibility?
[12:02] <eagles0513875> heheh rysiek :)
[12:03] <eagles0513875> what list GobiTheGoblin
[12:03] <rysiek> I have googled though, if that saves me a bit in your eyes ;)
[12:03] <rysiek> anywhoo, hopefully now I will be able to boot hardy back... ah, life
[12:03] <rysiek> cheers
[12:04] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: It was in ubuntu.com, somewhere about karmic and grub 2, and there was a big list tested systems...
[12:04] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: And if I am not wrong, there were some issues with macbook pro (some version)
[12:05] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Grub2Testing
[12:06] <eagles0513875> mine passed btw
[12:06] <eagles0513875> Apple MacbookPro 5.1
[12:06] <eagles0513875>  PASS
[12:06] <eagles0513875>  PASS
[12:06] <eagles0513875>  ext4
[12:06] <eagles0513875>  No (MacOS-X with Refit, not GRUB)
[12:06] <eagles0513875>  
[12:06] <eagles0513875> sry bout that
[12:06] <eagles0513875> mine is generation 5.1
[12:07] <Logi> in kde, trying to "Configure file sharing" for a folder, it silently does "kdesudo kcmshell4 fileshare" which results in "findServiceByDesktopPath: fileshare.desktop not found". Anyone know what's hapening? Is there a way to see if a package exists containing a file called fileshare.desktop?
[12:07] <andrey__> hello everybody
[12:07] <andrey__> i need a help in ubuntu, can somebody help me in it
[12:08] <GobiTheGoblin> andrey__: Sure if we know how =) btw. by the topic,  the are some issues with karmic right now
[12:09] <andrey__> that's why asked , because of the topic
[12:09] <andrey__> what karmic is ?
[12:09] <andrey__> maybe do u know any other channel for ubuntu
[12:10] <andrey__> i cant install my built in camera in Lenovo 3000 n100, i tried so many ways and nothing
[12:10] <GobiTheGoblin> andrey__, what version of ubuntu do you have?
[12:10] <andrey__> ubuntu 9.04
[12:11] <GobiTheGoblin> andrey__: There is a #ubuntu channel, where are more experienced people there to help with that =)
[12:11] <andrey__> thanx alot man!
[12:11] <GobiTheGoblin> andrey__: This is the development channel for next ubuntu =)
[12:11] <GobiTheGoblin> np
[12:12] <andrey__> oh i see, so karma is the next version ?
[12:12] <GobiTheGoblin> yep
[12:12] <vistakiller> what is the firefox installer in kubuntu?
[12:12]  * ToreadorVampire notes that andrey__ has been posting to #ubuntu for a few mins and not gotten any response yet (which probably means nobody awake knows the answer)
[12:13] <andrey__> ok, i wont disturb to a history process :)
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> nice motd
[12:22] <andrey__> people, any other ubuntu channels ?
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> andrey__: #kubuntu and #xubuntu
[12:22] <eagles0513875> hey ActionParsnip
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> andrey__: as well as the ones for ubuntu derivitives
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> hey eagles0513875
[12:24] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: i think my best bet for now is stick with jaunty
[12:24] <eagles0513875> then
[12:24] <eagles0513875> when alpha 6 comes out ill reinstall
[12:24] <eagles0513875> im honestly and truly fedup with all the bs thats goign on in karmic atm
[12:24] <eagles0513875> the koala needs a good spanking and to behave itself
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: its alpha, what did you expect
[12:25] <nzmm> i am afraid to reboot, in case of what may happen :P
[12:25] <robin0800> eagles0513875: there will still be bugs
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: if it was stable and good then itd be released
[12:27] <andrey__> ActionParsnip no answers in on one of these channels ....
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> andrey__: whats thequestion?
[12:27] <andrey__>  i cant install webcam in Lenovo 3000 n100,  , i have ubuntu 9.04
[12:27] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: That might be the right decision... I'll go with this, I have to. The new kernel keeps this thing running
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> andrey__: run: lsusb       it will tell you an 8 character hex ID code you can websearch for
[12:28] <Sagaci> i hope they get it right for a release in 6 weeks
[12:29] <andrey__> ok, thanx ActionParship
[12:40] <hardyl> anyone a hint how to learn Grub2 to show my other Linux-Installation at boot-time?
[12:43] <hardyl>  I am confused with mass of grub commands and the small info of "man"-file
[12:43] <mac_v> !grub2 | hardyl
[12:44] <mac_v> hardyl: the wiki should have all the info
[12:45] <hardyl> thanks all ... that good tipps
[12:50] <Sagaci> so it's somewhat fixed now?
[12:51] <kklimonda> what is?
[12:51] <Pici> Indeed
[12:52] <Pici> Or thats what the topic in -devel leads me to believe
[12:53] <zniavre> hello / bonjour
[12:53] <zniavre> is that normal to get so many services Off (http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/5118/capture1tf.png)
[12:55] <kklimonda> zniavre: that's probably because of recent changes in boot process
[12:55] <zniavre> so rcconf became obsolete ?
[12:57] <kklimonda> probably, services-admin from g-s-t is obsolete
[12:58] <Celtiore> hi
[12:58] <ToreadorVampire> OK, I see what you mean about karmic not being ready for the prime time - I was prepared to test some stuff and help get it ready for release (if I feel like it's worth it I do report bugs when I find them) but this showstopper/unbootable thing - that's no good :(
[12:58] <ToreadorVampire> thx anyway
[12:59] <zniavre> kklimonda,  ok
[12:59] <Celtiore> do you have infos about : cupsd: Child exited on signal 15!
[13:01] <natewiebe13> glad karmic is now up and working..
[13:01] <natewiebe13> cjwatson: alpha 6 still planned for today?
[13:02] <kklimonda> yes
[13:02] <natewiebe13> good..
[13:04] <natewiebe13> is anyone else having this issue? : when i open the clock in the panel, the shadow that compiz draws stays there after it gets closed again, im guessing its just not being redrawn
[13:05] <cdE|Woozy> natewiebe13, I do
[13:07] <zniavre> natewiebe13,  that's true
[13:08] <natewiebe13> okay.. so im not the only one.. is there a bug report yet?
[13:12] <cdE|Woozy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/428783
[13:20] <darkham> today's apha 6?
[13:20] <darkham> alpha
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> No idea. :) it will be done when its done.
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> Topic dosent mention it...
[13:21] <darkham> ok...
[13:21] <darkham> then today's daily live isn't an alpha 6...
[13:22] <darkham> i hoped it
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> since i update/upgrade every day... im not too worried about it.
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> 117 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> I cant recall if i updated yesterday or not
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> Hmmm.. The update is downloading 2 packatges at a time it looke like.. (or i am confused)
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> perhaps the text scrolling was messed up.. its not doing it now. :) getting updates at 700nB/s
[13:24] <darkham> for now, do you like it?
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> it works very well for me.
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> Ive not really noticed much that stands out as diffrent from 9.04 - Just everythingis updated
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> Seem to boot a lot faster for me.
[13:26] <darkham> for me too. i look it a little bit heavier than 9.04 ....
[13:26] <eagles0513875> hey the channel topic changed O_O
[13:27] <GobiTheGoblin> The topic is changed is notice... =)
[13:27] <GobiTheGoblin> stereo
[13:27] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: still the issues or not
[13:27] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: I was hoping that do I get to update
[13:27] <eagles0513875> ahhh
[13:27] <kklimonda> Dr_Willis: you haven't noticed new boot splash?
[13:28] <kklimonda> darkham: alpha6 should be released later today
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> kklimonda:  Not really.  I tend to disable things like that..
[13:28] <kklimonda> I don
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> kklimonda: whats it like. i havent rebboted in a while :)
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> id rather see work done on other areas of the os that need work.. then eyecandy/splash things. :)
[13:28] <kklimonda> I don't even know how to disable xsplash even if I wanted to
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: me too, slows things down
[13:28] <darkham> kklimonda: then the tomorrow's daily live cd will be an alpha 6
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> gdm launches xsplash from 2 scripts..  those are easially changed
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> or remove the xsplash package.
[13:29] <kklimonda> ActionParsnip: well - it's a bit like old fedora splash (both use X) but it doesn't flicker ;)
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> kklimonda: sudo apt-get --pure remove xsplash
[13:30] <kklimonda> ActionParsnip: you sure it won't brake anything? there were so many changes to boot process lately I'm afraid to touch it and see how it breaks ;)
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> kklimonda: just removes splash stuff
[13:31] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks , how goes the updates?
[13:31] <darkham> people, here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule, where users can look the features of things like ArtworkSecondDrop?
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> kklimonda: not sure about posatuninst
[13:31] <kklimonda> acicula: posatuninst? :)
[13:32] <eagles0513875> alpha 6 should be out today according to the schedule
[13:33] <GobiTheGoblin> so next month there is the release parties waiting
[13:34] <GobiTheGoblin> it is tuesday :(
[13:34] <eagles0513875> heheh ya
[13:34] <eagles0513875> is alpha 6 still gonna be released today
[13:34] <GobiTheGoblin> how I can get to work on Wednesday :P
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> It was released.. then retracted.. because so many people were asking when it was goign to be released..
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> Everytime someone asks - they wait another hour. :)
[13:35] <DirkRaeder1> @Gobi: Late, I suppose.
[13:35] <eagles0513875> :'(
[13:35] <eagles0513875> damn it i want it now lol
[13:35] <GobiTheGoblin> Dr_Willis: are we there yet?
[13:35] <eagles0513875> wanna see if my hellish issues on osx have been resolved
[13:36] <eagles0513875> on my macbook not osx
[13:36] <GobiTheGoblin> :D
[13:36] <eagles0513875> are we there yet are we there yet lol
[13:36] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: lets keep our thumbs up =)
[13:37] <eagles0513875> ya i am
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> I just update/upgraded.. so i imagine theres not goign to be much on the alpha 6 cd that i need. :P
[13:37] <GobiTheGoblin> Dr_Willis: Everything ok? No crashing, etc?
[13:37] <eagles0513875> was gonna install jaunty but seeing as alpha six is out and one hell of a nightmare i have been having with alpha 5 gonna wait till 6 comes out and hopefully things will be fixed
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> Ive not had any issues with 9.10 at all really.
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> Other then the sound 'poping' annoyance
[13:40] <Michalxo> what about "my" keyboard bug? :-(
[13:40] <eagles0513875> ya me randomly keyboard and touch bad stopped wroking
[13:40] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: im on constant refresh on kubuntu page
[13:40] <GobiTheGoblin> Dr_Willis: You are missing all the fun :D Updates -> reboot -> black screen -> scream -> recovery -> internet -> x/h of fixing -> back to brag about it :D
[13:41] <Michalxo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/429249 eagles0513875
[13:41] <eagles0513875> Michalxo: im on kde
[13:41] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: :D
[13:41] <eagles0513875> doubt the bug is related as the desktops are entierly different
[13:41] <Michalxo> eagles0513875, kde guy posted there too
[13:41] <eagles0513875> blarg
[13:43] <alankila> Hmm. I lost my keyboard yesterday... it happened right at bootup
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> I do see some 'core' files in /
[13:43] <alankila> I thought the keyboard crashed -- it's microsoft technology after all -- but replugging it didn't revive it either.
[13:44] <Michalxo> alankila, can you write tehre? it's seem like they're  totally ignoring this bug
[13:44] <alankila> well, I'm not sure if it was just some random one-off thingy. If it happens again...
[13:44] <BluesKaj> alankila, yeah, my original prob was no mouse or KB response after the update on Tue
[13:44] <eagles0513875> Michalxo: added my 2 sense to your bug it also happens for me  2 during init 1 when the box comes up
[13:44] <GobiTheGoblin> I've to download irssi, for just in case..  before I do anything drastic
[13:45] <eagles0513875> alankila: same issue on my macbook with keybaord nad track pad whats worse for me is i cant unplug replug
[13:45] <alankila> I've had Linuxes have difficulties with USB keyboards if you don't use them at all when you boot up. Something decides that the keyboard is nonfunctional without evidence to contrary like keystrokes and then typing doesn't work until I reboot
[13:45] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: what doesnt make sense is for me it stopped working on wednesday morning
[13:45] <BluesKaj> after reboot eagles0513875 ?
[13:45] <eagles0513875> ya
[13:45] <eagles0513875> :(
[13:46] <joaopinto> os-prober should be able to find windows xp partition ?
[13:46] <BluesKaj> I had no scrn or X or login
[13:46] <alankila> then again, USB is not really very functional technology. For instance, when I shut down windows then it's pretty common that it takes a replug before the device works again. I don't recall if the problems are on windows or linux side though. :-/ somehow the BIOS doesn't reset the USB subsystem properly and then drivers all fail to init the devices
[13:46] <BluesKaj> a whole lot of error messages about kernel sources
[13:47] <eagles0513875> well BluesKaj what fixed mine and it wasnt regarding no x at startup was the nvidia driver from nvidia
[13:47] <eagles0513875> the one in the repos wouldnt cut it for me
[13:47] <Michalxo> joaopinto, did for me
[13:47] <alankila> so I do have a mouse which I have attached to an extension USB cord right in front of me just so that I don't have to reach behind the machine to unplug and replug the damn thing whenever it decides to fail
[13:47] <joaopinto> it is failing for me
[13:47] <joaopinto> :\
[13:48] <alankila> that mouse, too, is microsoft technology. I'm starting to detect a pattern here...
[13:48]  * eagles0513875 powers on my karmic vm again to update
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> I like my Logitech Nanos :)
[13:48] <Michalxo> my laptop has nothing from MS or logitech...
[13:48] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, the proprietary nvidia driver wouldn't install yesterday due to kernel source error
[13:49] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: if i used the one in the repo i couldnt get to a tty console
[13:49] <eagles0513875> with the nv driver i coudl but the nvidia one from nvidia got me a login screen and desktop
[13:49] <alankila> and yes, I have actually crashed the keyboard by pressing enough keys down at once. :) so it's not completely far fetched to claim that you can crash it. It's a simple computer after all with bugs in hardware and software.
[13:49] <BluesKaj> I used the nv driver
[13:49] <eagles0513875> that wouldnt work for me on my mac
[13:49] <eagles0513875> neither would the glx-185 in the repo
[13:49] <eagles0513875> had to get the 185 version from the nvidia website
[13:50] <eagles0513875> which makes no sense what in that fixed not having an x server or login screen
[13:50] <BluesKaj> yeah , the glx one did work but with crappy resolution
[13:50] <eagles0513875> wouldnt for me
[13:50] <BluesKaj> well, now we'll see what happens
[13:51] <BluesKaj> looks like grub is ok
[13:52] <BluesKaj> I hope lan networking is fixed as well...had none in Karmic with either machine (both Karmic)
[13:53] <GobiTheGoblin> Now I am good to go. Irssi installed *check*, wlan guide in handy *check*, freetime *check*, 2nd laptop for emergencies *check*. Yes, I am officially good to go
[13:53] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: i had a weird issue with grub 2 for some reason
[13:53] <eagles0513875> after putting it on an efi partition that im guessing boot camp or something makes boot camp doesnt detect my linux partition
[13:53] <eagles0513875> this is on a clean install of karmic alpha 5
[13:55] <GobiTheGoblin> do you know btw any good small linux usb boot image... as in under >128MB
[13:55] <GobiTheGoblin> i forgot my stuff to work... and all I have is that
[13:56] <GobiTheGoblin> or then I have to make rescue cd...
[13:57] <BluesKaj> wish me luck ..rebooting :P
[13:57] <Michalxo> GobiTheGoblin, puppylinux?
[13:59] <sjokkis> is pulse broken in karmic again?
[13:59] <GobiTheGoblin> Michalxo: Sounds perfect, ty
[14:00] <BluesKaj> hmm, that was one of the quicker reboots I've seen
[14:00] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: there is a usb creator though to do that
[14:00] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: I know, tough a while ago, it didn't work right (in karmic)
[14:01] <Dr_Willis> GobiTheGoblin:  tiny core linux = 10mb bootable disrto. :)
[14:01] <eagles0513875> !usb
[14:01] <eagles0513875> hehehe GobiTheGoblin first link would be a bootable usb :)
[14:01] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: you can also use unetbootin which will create a live usb
[14:02] <jtheuer> Hi, In Karmic I have this issue: When I start konqueror I just get: konqueror: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkonquerorprivate.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN19KonqHistoryProvider16staticMetaObjectE Any idea which lib is missing?
[14:02] <eagles0513875> you shouldnt be missing anything for konqueror as its installed by default
[14:02] <eagles0513875> wow 40packages to update O_o
[14:04] <sjokkis> serious question. why did someone break pulse?
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> sjokkis:  its working here.. but ive not rebooted yet. :)
[14:05] <eagles0513875> sjokkis: nobody broke it these breakages are expected during the development phase
[14:05] <BluesKaj> heh , had 304 here , but that's cuz reinstalled the kernel only , all the rest of my data was untouched
[14:05]  * eagles0513875 impatiently waits for alpha 6
[14:05] <eagles0513875> nice BluesKaj :)
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> You ask it as if you are thinking 'Some mean person purposuly broke the software'
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> :)
[14:05] <jtheuer> eagles0513875: yes, I agree, I shouldn't get this error ;-)
[14:05] <sjokkis> eagles0513875: aren't things supposed to converge towards a state where everything works? it seems counterproductive to break something now when it has worked for the past several months
[14:05] <jtheuer> but how can I fix it?
[14:06] <eagles0513875> sjokkis: ya but there is still time to get things fixed
[14:06] <eagles0513875> alpha 6 should be out today and on the 24th sept we should be at beta phase
[14:06] <sjokkis> sure, but you said this is to be expected. i'm disagreeing. this shouldn't have happened
[14:06] <eagles0513875> jtheuer:  not sure :(
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> some would say that Pulse has 'not' worked for the past several months.  its had lot of issues  in 9.04
[14:06] <eagles0513875> well sinc ei have to sensor my language stuff happens that is out of any ones control
[14:06] <sjokkis> Dr_Willis: i would say that pulse has never worked. but at least i've had audio
[14:07] <Dr_Willis> I have no audio issues in 9.04 or 9.10  - except that sound popping  annoyance..
[14:07] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, the trick is to use manual partitoning  placing / on the original partition only
[14:07]  * eagles0513875 impatiently waits for alpha6
[14:07] <Dr_Willis> I got to reboot.. lets see if the updates broke stuff. :)
[14:07] <Dr_Willis> brb
[14:07] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: i have been doing that yet it still doesnt work
[14:07] <eagles0513875> im gonna try the regular install method and using alternate as a last resort
[14:07] <BluesKaj> right , that may work for you
[14:08] <eagles0513875> it didnt work for alpha 5 so im hoping 6 will
[14:13] <Dr_Willis> Heh - thats not a good sign.. First reboot after updates.. and it says  my partiion has an error and to run fsck manually.
[14:13] <Dr_Willis> fluke? or bug..
[14:14] <GobiTheGoblin> Dr_Willis: For that tinylinux, That ancient USB that i remembered that I had, was only 32MB :D
[14:14] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: it does that for me on my vm
[14:14] <Dr_Willis> GobiTheGoblin:  yep. ITs a handy little mini disrto.
[14:15] <eagles0513875> i bet i know something smaller then that
[14:15] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  heh.. so it some how has some sort of bug?
[14:15] <eagles0513875> try dsl 50mb distro
[14:15] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  tiny core linux = 10mb
[14:15] <eagles0513875> ya Dr_Willis i didnt see it on my mac install when i had it working
[14:15] <Dr_Willis> wireless drigers double the size of TinyCoreLinux
[14:15] <Dr_Willis> drivers. heh..
[14:16] <Dr_Willis> well fsck is done.. rebooting the other box
[14:17] <Dr_Willis> now it says the 'root' filesystem needs to be fscked....
[14:17] <jdobrien> does anyone have a way to recover from tuesday's dist-upgrade?
[14:18] <eagles0513875> wow dr0pknutz
[14:18] <eagles0513875> whoops wrong person
[14:18] <eagles0513875> wow Dr_Willis
[14:18] <cjwatson> sjokkis: I think any realistic software developer will tell you that sometimes the process of fixing one set of problems can involve accidentally creating others (we'd all love it to be otherwise, and everyone does their best to avoid regressions, but they happen); the best response is to file bugs to let people know that it's broken for you, since it's entirely possible that it's not broken for everyone
[14:19] <eagles0513875> cjwatson: exactly
[14:19] <Dr_Willis> heh - well i think the term 'disaster' is now here. :) It wants me to manually fsck every ext4 parition.. it drops to the recovery console
[14:20] <Dr_Willis> but thekeyboard dont work! :)
[14:20] <Dr_Willis> time to track down a ps2 keyboard it seems
[14:21] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: was having that bug
[14:21] <eagles0513875> seems like there is no fix atm
[14:21] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks:  told me i should chroot form a live cd and update to fix the issue
[14:21] <GobiTheGoblin> Ookay.. USB recure disk maker is not working like at all..
[14:21] <eagles0513875> :(
[14:22] <Dr_Willis> heh - ps2 keyboard works at least...
[14:22] <GobiTheGoblin> I have to dirty my little hands again..
[14:22] <Dr_Willis> fscking all drives...  it says the one i just fscked has a fsck date in the future. :)
[14:23] <eagles0513875> :)
[14:23] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: it wont hurt to run fsck but i have found in some regards like on windows that running it fixes some random issues
[14:24] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  well it wont even boot.. says filesystems bad.. fsck failed with error 4
[14:24] <Dr_Willis> tried  the older kernel also.. same issue
[14:24] <wastrel> woo the scary topic is gone
[14:24] <Dr_Willis> wastrel:  its still scary :)
[14:24] <eagles0513875> wastrel: its still there
[14:24] <wastrel> meaning i'm not going to break my koala if i upgrade?
[14:24] <eagles0513875> trust me you still will there are issues which are super ugly
[14:25] <wastrel> ;__;
[14:25] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: regarding ur issue i had no keyboard or mouse with the jaunty kernel after i had upgrade
[14:25] <eagles0513875> i have no idea how to fix it
[14:25] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  well I got the ps2keyboard working...
[14:25] <eagles0513875> someone told me its a dbus issue where it takes 15 min to start
[14:25] <eagles0513875> nice
[14:25] <eagles0513875> at least
[14:25] <eagles0513875> i wish i had a usb keyboard
[14:25] <eagles0513875> but when i tried my usb mouse it seemed like nothing usb was working for me mouse wise
[14:25] <Dr_Willis> I got a whole chest of keyboards here.. :)
[14:25] <eagles0513875> hehe
[14:25] <eagles0513875> :)
[14:25] <eagles0513875> all my parts are back in the states
[14:26] <darkham> where i can look main features of ui feature freeze?
[14:26] <Dr_Willis> get them at rummage sale and other places... for $2 each.
[14:26] <eagles0513875> hehe
[14:26] <darkham> "the features freezed"
[14:27] <Dr_Willis> my features are freezing!
[14:29] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: whats already been frozen in karmic
[14:29] <eagles0513875> feature wise
[14:29] <Dr_Willis> no idea
[14:29] <eagles0513875> heheh hey genii-around you stuck in the revolving door
[14:30] <genii-around> eagles0513875: Pretty much :/
[14:30] <Dr_Willis> hmm.. i think my pc may of just died. :()
[14:30]  * eagles0513875 hands genii-around a pot of coffee to try lure him outa it
[14:30] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: O_O how
[14:30] <eagles0513875> hey gnome
[14:30] <Dr_Willis> time to power off for a few sec and lets see if it boots up....
[14:30] <eagles0513875> hey gnomefreak
[14:30] <acicula> erlang-base-hipe: Conflicts: erlang-base but 1:13.b.1-dfsg-2 is installed. erlang-base: Conflicts: erlang-base-hipe but 1:13.b.1-dfsg-2 is to be installed.
[14:30] <Dr_Willis> fscked stuff.. rebooted... just hung...
[14:30] <eagles0513875> ok Dr_Willis
[14:30] <eagles0513875> uhoh
[14:30] <acicula> that seemds kind of odd
[14:30] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: hi
[14:30] <genii-around> Since /topic changed, is current build working?
[14:31] <genii-around> (working/unbroken)
[14:31] <Dr_Willis> not even doing the bios/Post....
[14:31] <darkham> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule should contain more info
[14:32] <acicula> Dr_Willis: unplug everything bar mobo/cpu/mem , do atx reset and see if you get bios beeps?
[14:32] <eagles0513875> ya only info for today is alpha 6 is due out but i think has been delayed im not sure
[14:32] <gnomefreak> genii-around: no still can break. udev broken atm but i havent done updates in a few days
[14:32] <wastrel> i don't use usb
[14:32] <genii-around> gnomefreak: OK, thanks
[14:32] <eagles0513875> genii-around: i would wait alpha 6 is supposidly due out today
[14:32] <Dr_Willis> there we go.. Hmm.. is it possuible i had the ps2 keyboard in the ps2 MOUSE port and that was goofing it up?
[14:32] <acicula> or do atx/bios reset first and then start yanking cables if that dont work?
[14:33] <Dr_Willis> im nerver sure which ps2 port is for what. :) my keybiard are so old they are not color coded
[14:33] <genii-around> eagles0513875: Right now I'm using 8.10 off a usb stick
[14:33] <eagles0513875> ouchie
[14:33] <wastrel> Dr_Willis: i encourage you to label them
[14:33] <wastrel> invest in a sharpie
[14:33] <eagles0513875> genii-around: karmic is still rather broken
[14:34] <Dr_Willis> ive never even noticed if it really mattered..
[14:34] <Dr_Willis> theres images of a keyboard/mouse but you cant twell what port is for what image. they are printed  side by side for 2 vertical ports.
[14:34] <acicula> Dr_Willis: me neither, these days you have boards with a shared mouse/keyboard ps/2 connector
[14:35] <darkham> more info in liks like  UserInterfaceFreeze or FeatureFreeze or ArtworkSecondDrop
[14:35] <Dr_Willis> well the system is booting.. but seems stuck on starting samba. :)
[14:35] <eagles0513875> hummm  :)
[14:35] <eagles0513875> im learning alot of dirty tricks in here lool
[14:37] <GobiTheGoblin> K now gotta try that tiny core linux, bb for now
[14:38] <genii-around> eagles0513875: I'm d/ling 9.04 iso so I'll be able to mount the ext4 /home from my borked 9.10 (Intrepid doesn't see ext4 )
[14:38] <eagles0513875> good luck genii-around2
[14:38] <eagles0513875> darn it 2 of you is making it hard to tab complete lol
[14:38] <eagles0513875> 9.04 is fine it works fine on my macbook pro but man karmic all hell breaks loose for me
[14:39] <Dr_Willis> heh - and they want fsck'd again.. Wee... and the 'last fsck date is set to the future' again it seems....
[14:40] <Dr_Willis> but at least i got the keyvoard in the right port this time.
[14:40] <Dr_Willis> Found a different ps2 keyboard with the color conectors
[14:41] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: someone was in here regarding fsck and i think a bug with it and if its been fixed
[14:41] <eagles0513875> hehe Dr_Willis rofl thtas so wrong on so many fronts lol
[14:41] <Dr_Willis> Yep.. not sure why the date/times are wrong btween reboots...
[14:41] <Machtin> oh.. the topic changed.
[14:41] <Dr_Willis> its not even getting to the os/servicef to run ntpd
[14:42] <Machtin> that's good.. however i got no updates via chroot & live cd.
[14:42] <Dr_Willis> I cant update from terminal  - / is read only
[14:42] <eagles0513875> Machtin: still issues that are around
[14:42] <Machtin> hm, too bad.
[14:43] <Machtin> not-being-able-to-boot-issues?
[14:43] <Machtin> alpha 5 is not new news, right?
[14:45] <Dr_Willis> keep getting fsck failed with exit 4...
[14:46] <Dr_Willis> so my system is currently broke :)
[14:46] <Machtin> i don't get to any point where i could enter anything :D
[14:48] <eagles0513875> Machtin: 6 shoudl be out today unless they postpone it
[14:48] <Machtin> yup, okay
[14:48] <DirkRaeder> Well, today is long ...
[14:48] <DirkRaeder> Still got some 10+ hours left ...
[14:49] <Machtin> i don't know which time zone they use..
[14:50] <Machtin> might be even more.. if it's some U.S. thing they'll have lunch soon :)
[14:50] <eagles0513875> hehe
[14:50] <eagles0513875> canonical is based in uk
[14:50] <DirkRaeder> All their press releases read London ... so they should be close to CMT
[14:50] <eagles0513875> so its just after lunch there
[14:50] <DirkRaeder> sorry, GMT.
[14:50] <eagles0513875> they are DirkRaeder1
[14:50] <Dr_Willis> Wowsers.. it IS aparently a 'time' issue
[14:50] <eagles0513875> ya and its driving me nuts
[14:50] <Machtin> okay
[14:51] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: lets see if it asks me to fsck
[14:51] <Dr_Willis> !bug 421477
[14:51] <eagles0513875> on reboot
[14:51] <eagles0513875> strange not this time
[14:51] <Dr_Willis> setting the time/utc thing is the fix.. trying ti now
[14:51] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: it seems like that fsck during shut down seems to only surface when there are changes to the kernel
[14:51] <eagles0513875> but urs is a slightly differrent issue then to what i have seen
[14:53] <eagles0513875> take that back Dr_Willis
[14:53] <eagles0513875> seems like it wants it after all updates during startup
[14:55] <Dr_Willis> yea trying the fix now...
[14:55] <Dr_Willis> ok it IS autofscking now.....
[14:55] <Dr_Willis> thats progress
[14:55] <Dr_Willis> then it failed...
[14:55] <Dr_Willis> Bummer
[14:56] <eagles0513875> :(
[14:56] <eagles0513875> was hoping the error woulda surfaced for me in a vm
[14:56] <eagles0513875> but it ran the check the booted normally
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> well it seems its somthign to do with my clock/dates not being right and the fsck time tags
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> whats the cli command to set the time/date/ i forget :)
[14:59] <BWARG> dpkg doesnt close if an ncurses based install is going on and is ^c
[14:59] <eagles0513875> let me look it up Dr_Willis just read bout it as its part of my linux exam part 2 for my cert that im doing
[15:00] <BWARG> also i dont know if its just me but my pressure pad doesnt work as a clicker only as a cursor
[15:00] <eagles0513875> BWARG: my touch pad as well as keyboard are not working currently in karmic
[15:00] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: try this ls -l /etc/localtime
[15:01] <eagles0513875> see if that brings up the right time szone and all that
[15:01] <eagles0513875> that its symlinked 2
[15:02] <BWARG> theres a prob with installing sunjava6
[15:02] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: also might wanna check /etc/timezone
[15:02] <eagles0513875> BWARG: there are lots of problems with karmic
[15:03] <BWARG> im just bringing things up
[15:03] <Dr_Willis> I just cheated.. rebooted to bios.. set the clock to be 3 days from now.. :)
[15:03] <Dr_Willis> it seems it was off by a few hrs from what local/utc time should be.
[15:03] <eagles0513875> that might not work
[15:03] <eagles0513875> it might might not
[15:04] <Dr_Willis> it seems to be.. so far.
[15:04] <eagles0513875> check out your time when u get back to your desktop
[15:04] <Dr_Willis> the fsck gets checked befor the system even gets to the ntpd service and stuff...
[15:04] <Dr_Willis> I just want it to boot. :)
[15:04] <BWARG> hmmm... sudo apt-get -f install after installiing java works
[15:04] <Dr_Willis> annoying thgat fsck fails in a nasty way with no actual error on the filesystem... just a bad date
[15:05] <eagles0513875> ya
[15:05] <Dr_Willis> but im not seeing many bug reports of this on the forum/bugs..
[15:05] <Dr_Willis> you could test it perhaps by setting your bios clock back a day :)
[15:05] <Trewas> bug 427822 <- the fsck whine should be fixed
[15:05] <Dr_Willis> There we go.
[15:06] <Dr_Willis> and you have to force power down,
[15:06] <Dr_Willis> BINGO....
[15:06] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: random idea couldnt you use tune2fs -c 25 to change the number of reboots before next scan
[15:06] <Dr_Willis> i had to force the power down...
[15:06] <Dr_Willis> set it to 9999 :)
[15:07] <Trewas> Dr_Willis: actually that happens to me even with normal clean reboot, but I haven't tested with the newest kernel if it still happens
[15:07] <eagles0513875> Trewas: that happens to me only on rebooting after updates
[15:07] <eagles0513875> just happened to me now
[15:08] <Trewas> yeah it does not happen on every boot, but I haven't noticed a trend
[15:08] <Dr_Willis> heh ok.. it booted.. but its hung on 'startiung samba service'.. it seems...
[15:09] <Dr_Willis> perhaos theres some timeout going on.. i will let it try to boot for a while.
[15:09] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: can u get to runlevel 1 and take out samba from starting
[15:09] <BWARG> java just isnt working
[15:09] <eagles0513875> for now
[15:09] <eagles0513875> BWARG: alot isnt working in karmic right now
[15:09] <Dr_Willis> im not sure if its samba hanging.. or somthing right befor/after samba
[15:11] <[31d1]> dr willis - when everything was messed up two days ago that was exactly where things hung for me
[15:11] <BWARG> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/sun-java6-bin_6-15-1_i386.deb: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[15:11] <BWARG> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/sun-java6-jre_6-15-1_all.deb: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[15:11] <eagles0513875> !paste | BWARG
[15:11] <BWARG> ah thank you
[15:11] <[31d1]> if it's the same thing, you should still be able to switch to another console, and apt/update/upgrade
[15:12] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: check your startup scripts to see what starts after samba
[15:12] <eagles0513875> BWARG: no problem m8. just a lil fyi be patient with alpha 5 lots is broken with it and alpha 6 is due out sometime today :)
[15:13] <BWARG> really?
[15:13] <BWARG> sweet
[15:13] <eagles0513875> ya according to the schedule
[15:13] <eagles0513875> so if you can hang tight with ur bugs for now
[15:13] <diverse_izzue> when i pair my nokia e51 via bluetooth with my laptop, shouldn't I be offered to use it as a modem at the end of the wizard?
[15:14] <Dr_Willis> whats scary is A5 was working good for me.. till i updated today :)
[15:15] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: ya for me until i updated on tuesday
[15:15] <eagles0513875> come wednesday morning no keyboard no mouse
[15:25] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis:  :) all ok on ur front
[15:25] <eagles0513875> your
[15:27] <acicula> interesting, i plug in my N97 to ubuntu and it reboots
[15:27] <acicula> (the n97)
[15:31] <eagles0513875> O_O
[15:31] <eagles0513875> we talking about a phone
[15:38] <acicula> yeh
[15:39] <acicula> trying to get gsm broadband going :/
[15:41] <GobiTheGoblin> acicula: don't now how to help, but out of curiosity via bluetooth, wlan or cable?
[15:45] <o_portista17> Hello, i have the following error while trying to start my linux, i perform the login, but it doesn't start the X, if i try to start it manually, it kills the X, and if i do an update "sudo apt-get update" i have the following error: "Failed to open connection to "system" message bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
[15:45] <o_portista17> E: Problem executing scripts APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success '/usr/bin/dbus-send --system --dest=org.freedesktop.PackageKit --type=method_call /org/freedesktop/PackageKit org.freedesktop.PackageKit.StateHasChanged string:'cache-update''
[15:45] <o_portista17> E: Sub-process returned an error code"
[15:45] <o_portista17> ups, sorry for the flood ;x
[15:45] <Dr_Willis_> Hmm.. usb keyboard/mouse notworking here either now :()
[15:46] <Dr_Willis_> in the console at least. :) havent made it to X yet.
[15:47] <acicula> GobiTheGoblin: either, not sure if you can use wifi to connect to the phone
[15:47] <Machtin> could i consider it 'safe' (i mean.. it's still alpha) if i reinstall karmic alpha 5 and upgrade then?
[15:48] <Machtin> because i'm not able to get my system back running.. even with livecd+chroot.
[15:49] <GobiTheGoblin> acicula: I think there is a software for s60 that enables 3g broadband sharing via wlan...
[15:50] <acicula> GobiTheGoblin: nice, though for umts i think bluetooth 2.0 +EDR is sufficient
[15:51] <acicula> at least i never went over 200kb/s via usb
[15:51] <GobiTheGoblin> acicula: That is faster =]
[15:51] <acicula> GobiTheGoblin: and with wlan and umts going at the same time the battery will be dead even sooner
[15:52] <acicula> GobiTheGoblin: yeah but i rarely get that kind of speed, 60% of the time the best you get is GPRS anyway
[15:52] <sunshinepants> anyone running latest amd64 build?  or N-1?
[15:52] <acicula> N-1?
[15:53] <sunshinepants> acicula: "previous build, 1 build back"
[15:53] <GobiTheGoblin> acicula: hope that new version has support for your N97, it is nice to be mobile
[15:54] <acicula> GobiTheGoblin: the old version had :P
[15:56] <BWARG> is the upgrade here?
[15:59] <gnomefreak> ok fine ill ask. BWARG what upgrade?
[15:59] <BWARG> the karmic alpha 6
[15:59] <mac_v> anyone know how to start the "Force Quit" applet from the terminal?
[16:00] <ding> sunshinepants, i run 64 from upgrade (ext3) last update for kernel yesterday and reboot, running fine so far
[16:00] <gnomefreak> BWARG: no A6 has not been released yet. if you are on Karmic already you dont have to do anything but updates to progress with versions
[16:00] <Roxy> hi, since yesterday i cant start gdm or hal(problems) its now fixed? how i can fix my eee pc?
[16:00] <mac_v> well actually , i want to add the force quit to the cairo-dck
[16:00] <BWARG> ah i see
[16:01] <sunshinepants> ding: have you ever seen problems in the past with stability?  filesystems going read-only due to errors, etc?
[16:01] <ding> sunshinepants, not so far
[16:02] <cjwatson> eagles0513875: Canonical's offices may be in London, but that doesn't mean the people responsible for releases are based in any one particular place
[16:02] <Pici> mac_v: its the executable is xkill iirc
[16:02] <cjwatson> eagles0513875: we're all over the place
[16:02] <eagles0513875> i know
[16:02] <sunshinepants> ding: I have, I guess it's this laptop.. even with jaunty amd64.. ugh.
[16:03] <ding> sunshinepants, any particuar app?
[16:03] <ding> sunshinepants, mostly irc and ff here
[16:03] <cjwatson> Machtin: people obsess way too much about which timezone we're in - it's not relevant, we don't schedule to the hour
[16:04] <Dr_Willis_> Every time somneone asks when its to be released.. it gets pushed back an Hour., :)
[16:04] <ding> sunshinepants, and the 64 jaunty is solid (main box)
[16:04] <GobiTheGoblin> Dr_Willis: That way the 10.04 is released before this alpha 6 :P
[16:04] <sunshinepants> ding: no, it's happened with console-only, I've always assumed it was a kernel prob.. good to know I might not have problems on future laptops though..
[16:04] <Roxy> nobody can help? hmpf
[16:05] <GobiTheGoblin> Roxy: I suggest you wait
[16:05] <mac_v> Pici: ooooh! nice , that works too ;) ... but that does not give a confirmation... and the man page doesnt give any option , is there anyway to make it ask for confirmation?
[16:06] <Pici> mac_v: I'm unsure sorry, and I only have ssh access at the moment so I can't play with it.
[16:06] <mac_v> hehe ;)
[16:06] <ding> sunshinepants, not many bad issues here, 64 jaunty has be fine forever, 64 karmic boxen are just test beds
[16:06] <mac_v> no probs
[16:06] <GobiTheGoblin> Roxy: When the new version is released, maybe it helps, if not, then there is more point thinking where is the problem
[16:07] <ding> sunshinepants, but no ext4 for me yet
[16:08] <Roxy> i can not go to the internet with my pc, so some body knows, the name of the "broken" package to download and install with usb-stick?
[16:08] <sunshinepants> ding: same thing has happened with ext3, so I think ext4 is safe there..
[16:09] <jetienne> q. is there a page on the update issue from 2days ago ?
[16:09] <ding> sunshinepants, eee901 with reiserFS choked yesterday, scared me away from filesystem upgrades
[16:10] <ding> sunshinepants, but that's elive/compiz (unstable) anyway
[16:11] <sunshinepants> ding: elive is the enlightenment based distro?
[16:11] <ding> sunshinepants, yeah, old 2nd place favorite to ubu's
[16:12] <ding> sunshinepants, like opengeu
[16:13] <sunshinepants> ding: I was all about E 16 before beryl/compiz
[16:13] <ding> sunshinepants, 17 is much nicer (artsy)
[16:14] <Dr_Willis_> E16 the window manager that used to be UBER-heavy years ago.. and now is considered Uber-light :)
[16:14] <sunshinepants> sunshinepants: do you follow their dev?  what does the future hold?
[16:14] <Dr_Willis_> E seems to reinvent itself every 2+ years..
[16:14] <ding> lol at doc
[16:14] <sunshinepants> ding: I mean
[16:14] <jetienne> q. is there a page on the update issue from 2days ago ?
[16:15] <gnomefreak> was 17 ever released?
[16:15] <Dr_Willis_> I recall a few years back when E was the big heavy nasty desktop that had all the eye candy and crashed a lot...
[16:15] <Dr_Willis_> now its 'lighter' :) with eyecandy .. and lots of crashes...
[16:15] <Dr_Willis_> it has gotten less crashy last i checked it.
[16:15] <Roxy> GobiTheGoblin: do you know the broken/buggy package of yesterday
[16:16] <ding> Dr_Willis, like lxde i'm playing with, someone was saying it's a neverending cycle new cool light wm gets bogged down with features, and the cycle starts over and over again
[16:17] <Dr_Willis_> I was toying with ltwm (i think) it has the sideways titlebar (on the left side, not the top) ;)
[16:17] <Dr_Willis_> jwm, ltwm,  are 2 of the lightest ive tried lately.
[16:18] <Dr_Willis_> but whats the poinbt of using a light window manager,,. then spending hours tweaking it to add back the styuff you wanted :)
[16:18] <ding> lubuntu isn't quite ready yet, so i was trying eeebuntu lxde
[16:18] <Dr_Willis_> jwm dosent even have a 'system tray' by default. Ya have to embed an appin the panel.
[16:18] <sunshinepants> hm, surely Carsten Haitzler has a twitter I can stalk
[16:18] <_markus__> hi
[16:19] <RagnarokAngel> after updating karmic yesterday xorg now fails to start
[16:19] <Dr_Willis_> RagnarokAngel:  amoung other issues... :)
[16:19] <Dr_Willis_> RagnarokAngel:  lots of things broke in the last updates
[16:19]  * Dr_Willis_ is ircing from a console in recovery mode right now.
[16:20] <RagnarokAngel> Dr_Willis how can I at least get my desktop running again? (I'm on a school network so I can't connect without putting in a password in a browser)
[16:20] <Dr_Willis_> I frogot to run screen.. i cant even get to another shell.
[16:20] <GobiTheGoblin> Roxy: not really. I am too waiting for Alpha 6, before I try to update...
[16:20] <Dr_Willis_> RagnarokAngel:  No idea. I cant even get mine to boot to the desktop.
[16:20] <RagnarokAngel> Dr_Willis_ are you getting a module i810 error?
[16:20] <Dr_Willis_> RagnarokAngel:  could try a console wbrowser
[16:20] <GobiTheGoblin> Roxy: Day before yesterday I was moron enough to go and install updates blindly, not going to do same mistake twice
[16:21] <Dr_Willis_> RagnarokAngel:  nope.. right now i got samba (or somthing) hanging at boot time
[16:21] <RagnarokAngel> I can't install one if one didn't ship by default
[16:21] <RagnarokAngel> yeah same here Dr_Willis_
[16:21] <Roxy> GobiTheGoblin: do you know how i can i make an update without Internet on my pc?
[16:21] <RagnarokAngel> well, it says samba ok
[16:21] <RagnarokAngel> then hangs
[16:21] <Dr_Willis_> im about to remove the samba service and reboot and see if that does it.
[16:21] <Dr_Willis_> RagnarokAngel:   at least i can get to the net from the recovery mode :)
[16:22] <RagnarokAngel> well before you do that can you try running startx?
[16:22] <RagnarokAngel> I think we have teh same issue
[16:22] <GobiTheGoblin> Roxy: Not really, no. But the alpha will come as a ISO too, so you can install it from it.
[16:22] <GobiTheGoblin> Roxy: Of course you need make backups and so one, with it.
[16:23] <Dr_Willis_> i have to exit befor i do startx.. i dident run screen..
[16:23] <Dr_Willis_> brb
[16:23] <RagnarokAngel> ok
[16:23] <GobiTheGoblin> Roxy: ISO as in install CD...
[16:24] <Roxy> GobiTheGoblin: yeah ok thx
[16:25] <GobiTheGoblin> Roxy: np =)
[16:25] <RagnarokAngel> oh screw
[16:25] <Roxy> GobiTheGoblin: alpha 6 release today?
[16:25] <RagnarokAngel> if w3m isn't connecting to anything I'm really screwed aren't I
[16:26] <GobiTheGoblin> Roxy: Maybe. It should be today, but it is ready when it is ready... can't really do anything but wait
[16:26] <Roxy> GobiTheGoblin: ;) cu
[16:26] <GobiTheGoblin> Roxy: cya
[16:26] <RagnarokAngel> nvm, I  was in a root shell w/out networking XD
[16:30] <jetienne> q. is there a page on the update issue from 2days ago ?
[16:31] <DanaG> dpkg: regarding ubuntu-xsplash-artwork_0.7.1+r69+200909161838_amd64.deb containing ubuntu-xsplash-artwork:
[16:31] <DanaG>  ubuntu-xsplash-artwork conflicts with xsplash (<< 0.8)
[16:31] <DanaG>   xsplash (version 0.7.1-0ubuntu1) is present and installed.
[16:32] <Dr_Willis> well startx started x then cliosed  in 3 sec...
[16:32] <Dr_Willis> keyboard/mouse *usb* are not working either.,
[16:32] <RagnarokAngel> module i810 error?
[16:32] <Dr_Willis> I dont have intel video
[16:32] <Dr_Willis> nvidia
[16:32] <RagnarokAngel> dang
[16:32] <Dr_Willis> I am in rescue mode.. so that may be the issue
[16:33] <RagnarokAngel> mmm
[16:33] <Dr_Willis> but now the whole box is hung
[16:33] <Dr_Willis> cant alt-ctrl-f1 to the console and X is hung
[16:36] <RagnarokAngel> x starts and crashes for me
[16:37] <RagnarokAngel> see I think that they screwed up X somehow
[16:37] <RagnarokAngel> well I got networking working
[16:37] <RagnarokAngel> then I updated again
[16:38] <RagnarokAngel> it installed a new version of xsserver
[16:38] <RagnarokAngel> going to try rebooting aain
[16:39] <RagnarokAngel> still hanging on Samba
[16:39] <RagnarokAngel> well I don't use samba
[16:39] <RagnarokAngel> so no big deal...
[16:40] <RagnarokAngel> Dr_Willis_ you have any luck removing samba?
[16:41] <Dr_Willis_> I dident have to remove it.. I think
[16:41] <RagnarokAngel> did you get it running?
[16:42] <Dr_Willis_> rescue mode.. service samba start -> hung...
[16:42] <Dr_Willis_> looked at the logs.. it was having cups issue..
[16:42] <Dr_Willis_> I started cups..  then samba started...
[16:42] <RagnarokAngel> rly?
[16:42] <Dr_Willis_> cups is running AFTER the samba service however in /etc/rc2.d
[16:42] <RagnarokAngel> so is it just editing that file?
[16:42] <Dr_Willis_> My USB mouse does work in gpm ive noticed
[16:43] <Dr_Willis_> I moved the /etc/rc2.d/S30samba (or whatever uits called) to start After cups starts
[16:43] <Dr_Willis_> now to try it.
[16:43] <Dr_Willis_> BRB
[16:44] <SiDi> hi
[16:44] <SiDi> Does anyone have a .ecryptfs folder in their /home taking up lots of space ?
[16:44] <acicula> heu\
[16:45] <Dr_Willis> samba still hanging
[16:45] <acicula> .ecryptfs is 16k here
[16:45] <RagnarokAngel> Dr_Willis: I removed samba and I got it to boot!
[16:45] <RagnarokAngel> now X is failing...
[16:45] <Dr_Willis> Yes but i need samba :)
[16:46] <Dr_Willis> not sure why its hanging,,
[16:46] <Dr_Willis> i got x to start with a minimal window manager.. but then X Hung
[16:46] <RagnarokAngel> x begins to boot up
[16:46] <RagnarokAngel> but it's giving me a module i810 error
[16:47] <RagnarokAngel> error is (EE) Failed to load module "i810" (module does not exist, 0)
[16:48] <RagnarokAngel> shoot now I'm not getting networking...
[16:48] <RagnarokAngel> alright back to rescue mode
[16:50] <RagnarokAngel> submitting a bug
[16:57] <sqrt> tell me please, when alpha 6 will be released? (UTC)
[17:11] <maccam944> ummmmmm what happened to gdmsetup? How do I change my gdm theme now?
[17:14] <maccam944> i mean, granted, the old app was ugly and overcomplicated, but the new one has almost zero functionality
[17:14] <mac_v> maccam944: you cant ;)
[17:14]  * maccam944 is checking if gnome art manager can work some magic
[17:15] <mac_v> maccam944: the zero functionality gdm setup is done from an Ubuntu initiative ;)
[17:15] <maccam944> i got that lol
[17:20] <Michalxo> mac_v, why?
[17:20] <Michalxo> why does ubuntu again ties users hands?
[17:21] <mac_v> Michalxo: actually ubuntu is providing atleast the minor functionality... upstream had no options!
[17:21] <Michalxo> what? why do they do that?
[17:22] <robin0800> maccam944: see custimisation under the theme tab
[17:22] <maccam944> robin0800: that doesn't cover the GDM login screen
[17:23] <mac_v> Michalxo: this version was out for nearly a year , but ubuntu did not adopt the upstream version and had been putting it off... but since the next release might be LTS  we have adopted it and adding functions as it progresses ;)
[17:23] <robin0800> you might have to google for that its called xsplash
[17:24] <maccam944> robin0800: i'm not talking about the xsplash
[17:24] <mac_v> robin0800: xsplash is different too ;)
[17:24] <Michalxo> mac_v, 9.10 is going to be LTS?
[17:24] <maccam944> i no
[17:24] <maccam944> *no
[17:24] <maccam944> 10.04 i think
[17:24] <mac_v> Michalxo: karmic+1 *might* be LTS
[17:24] <bp0> is alpha6 released today?
[17:25] <Michalxo> ah.. might? has to, right?
[17:25] <mac_v> Michalxo: LTS depends on how fast gnome3 matures ,
[17:25] <Michalxo> ah
[17:26] <Michalxo> looking forward to it :)
[17:26] <_markus__> hey Michalxo , were you able to fix your system?
[17:26] <Michalxo> _markus__, me not? it did automatically after reboot :)
[17:27] <mac_v> Michalxo: well you fixed it ;p , *you* did the reboot  ;p
[17:27] <Michalxo> but I was prepared to everything... except normal boot and all functionality :) apart from my keyboard bug
[17:27] <Michalxo> :D
[17:27] <Michalxo> well.. 2 times reboot not worked at all :D
[17:27] <Cynthia> aliendude5300: my iso transfer yesterday ended as you quit with no error, ping me when you can accept a resume transfer
[17:27] <Michalxo> _markus__, I just love these "safe-upgrades" :D
[17:27] <_markus__> Michalxo: wth? :) I knew Ubuntu rox but .... :p
[17:27] <Cynthia> there are 70 MiB left
[17:27] <Michalxo> haha
[17:28] <BluesKaj> got some kernel warnings after the last reboot but I haven't seen any probs
[17:30] <Michalxo> later
[17:32] <Machtin> cjwatson: meaning might be gmt+12, right? :)
[17:33] <Machtin> reinstalled btw.. and it broke again.
[17:34] <Machtin> though it booted once.. might be related to nvidia (though last time i deinstalled it.. so rather not), gparted, vim, ssh, lvm2, cryptsetup or pidgin :)
[17:34] <Machtin> oh.. or opera.
[17:51] <gnata> hi. is upstart/boot sequence in a better shape today?
[17:56] <ihjaskhas> is alpha 6 out?
[17:57] <ihjaskhas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview#Download%20Alpha%206 ?
[17:58] <DanaG> weird... my boot is now significantly slower than it used to be.
[17:58] <DanaG> I have very high disk usage, and very low throughput.
[17:58] <Cynthia> ihjaskhas: that seems to be a draft of the Alpha6 page
[17:58] <ihjaskhas> oks
[17:58] <Cynthia> ihjaskhas: no links work (yet! :)
[17:59] <ihjaskhas> close though i would imagine
[17:59] <Cynthia> It should be up either later today GMT, or tomorrow
[18:00] <robin0800> I think perhaps they are fixing some bugs
[18:02] <DanaG> "Putting the root filesystem on iSCSI is now supported. "
[18:02] <DanaG> hmm, how the heck would you boot from iscsi?
[18:02] <Twigathy> Similar to how you put it on NFS, I guess >_>
[18:03] <janisozaur> when can i expect alpha 6 to become alive?
[18:04] <gnata> when it is done ;)
[18:04] <janisozaur> any time frame?
[18:04] <Cynthia> Launchpad says Alpha6 was expected 17 hours ago
[18:05] <Cynthia> see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/karmic-alpha-6
[18:05] <robin0800> Cynthia: perhaps there are some bugs?
[18:05] <Cynthia> robin0800: there's no perhaps about that :)
[18:06] <Cynthia> but are they delaying the alpha: maybe
[18:07] <DanaG> hmm, how would I un-slowify my boot?
[18:07] <DanaG> yeah, I know that's a really bad fake-word.
[18:07] <xmnt> trying to install karmic alpha 5 - get the blank screen after boot ... tried safe graphics mode - no love - anything ideas beside alternate install ... connect here is really slow and dl's take about a day to get
[18:07] <Cynthia> DanaG: but it's a to-the-point fakeword
[18:08] <Cynthia> even though we don't know what's slow in your boot yet
[18:12] <Machtin>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview#Download%20Alpha%206 it's not fair that these don't work.
[18:12] <Cynthia> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1268702
[18:13] <robin0800> Machtin: It's perfectly fair it's not out yet
[18:13] <DanaG> http://picpaste.com/EliteBook-karmic-20090917-1.png
[18:14] <Machtin> but.. but.. i want it to be out. :o
[18:14] <Dr_Willis> everytime some one asks when it will be out - they push it back another hour
[18:14] <Machtin> well then i'll install 9.04 and ask more often.
[18:15] <gnata> you could download it but you have to use ip over time
[18:15] <DanaG> there's my bootchart.
[18:16] <robin0800> DanaG: Xorg log might be more usefull
[18:17] <arand> Hmm, the new xsplash update looks nice, but makes the "boot experience" less smooth.
[18:17] <DanaG> here's my xorg log:
[18:17] <Dr_Willis> 'boot experience' :) golly
[18:17] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f2841307f
[18:19] <robin0800> DanaG: not good (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0@1:0:1) found
[18:20] <robin0800> DanaG: also (WW) fglrx(0): board is an unknown third party board, chipset is supported
[18:20] <DanaG> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3650
[18:20] <DanaG> 01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RV635 Audio device [Radeon HD 3600 Series]
[18:22] <robin0800> DanaG: It would appear that fglrx dosen't support it
[18:22] <DanaG> It's working just fine, actually.
[18:22] <DanaG> That's not the issue.
[18:22] <DanaG> It's just that it takes a really annoyingly long time to log into gnome... and the total time has actually increased, since the boot process is trying to do more at once.
[18:26] <StevenMyers> Question for the day: When installing Xampp (lampp) on your webserver, and it goes to the /opt directory how do you get it to show up on http://localhost ?
[18:28] <David-T> configure your webserver appropriately?
[18:28] <StevenMyers> Shouldn't be that hard, just extract (copy) to /opt and load localhost
[18:28] <StevenMyers> Xampp has it's own apache, mysql and proftp running when starting it
[18:29] <Pici> StevenMyers: Use the suggestions you got in #ubuntu, which was to not use 3rd party lamp stacks like xampp, and use the packages in our repositories.
[18:29] <StevenMyers> I blocked that option as it doesn't provide any use for me.
[18:29] <David-T> uh?
[18:30] <StevenMyers> I disregarded terminal command use and need more gui
[18:30] <StevenMyers> I'm hands on, not type it up.
[18:30] <Pici> StevenMyers: Are you running Karmic even?
[18:30] <StevenMyers> Yes
[18:30] <David-T> if you need support running xampp, speak to xampp?
[18:30] <Cynthia> Then the #ubuntu channels are not really for you - try finding the xampp channel
[18:30] <Cynthia> a channel #xampp exists here, you could try that
[18:31] <StevenMyers> Thanks everyone, I appreciate it.
[18:34] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+bug/423314
[18:35] <DanaG> argh.
[18:35] <DanaG> 10 seconds is a rather annoyingly long time for it to show a bubble.
[18:35] <Smeuuh> I second that
[18:35] <Mike1> damn startup -_-
[18:35] <Mike1> ruined my system
[18:35] <Mike1> because dbus didn’t work anymore
[18:36] <Smeuuh> DanaG: I've been trying to use notify-osd for my notifications, conclusion is it's not worth it
[18:36] <DanaG> yeah, it's too Apple-ish.
[18:36] <om26er> where is alpha 6
[18:36] <DanaG> That is, it doesn't give you enough control over anything.
[18:36] <Smeuuh> yes
[18:36] <Smeuuh> and defaults are rather annoying
[18:36] <TeLe> i second that, where is alpha 6
[18:37] <om26er> TeLe: today it was gonna release?
[18:37] <TeLe> yes the 17th
[18:37] <Smeuuh> anyway, they'll figure out that it's crap in a few releases and rewrite it, so I'm not worried
[18:38] <DanaG> I'm not so sure about that.
[18:38] <DanaG> It seems to be rather sucky by design.
[18:38]  * mac_v starts banging for alpha 6 !
[18:38] <DanaG> oh, and it hammers my CPU when using the volume control.
[18:38]  * eagles0513875 joins mac_v in banging
[18:38] <DanaG> and laaaa.............a..............a.........aa.....ags.
[18:39] <Smeuuh> DanaG: that's what I meant, they'll probably rewrite the whole spec
[18:39] <Smeuuh> I hope so anyway
[18:39] <TeLe> talking about pulse?
[18:39] <Cynthia> TeLe: notify-osd
[18:39] <Smeuuh> hahaha :)
[18:40] <DanaG> I like PulseAudio, actually.
[18:40] <Smeuuh> btw, about alpha 6 : I'm on alpha5, does that mean that if I apt-get upgrade in a reasonable timeframe just after the release of alpha 6 I'll get stable-ish packages, or not ?
[18:40] <Cynthia> But there's already something in the works for audio after Pulse, which is libsydney -- a library that promises to unify the Linux sound stack... did anyone hear that phrase before, "unify the Linux sound stack"? :P
[18:41] <TeLe> im planning on doing a clean install
[18:41] <TeLe> probably the best bet
[18:41] <DanaG> libsydney... that's a library, not a sound server.
[18:41] <xmnt> I'm a fan of pulseaudio - I don't do anything special but it handles my 5.1 and mic just fine
[18:41] <DanaG> I use it because I have a bluetooth headset, and I use multiple audio devices.
[18:41] <DanaG> Music and videos to offboard speakers, web audio and system stuff to onboard.
[18:41] <Pici> Smeuuh: You'll get the same packages that are in alpha6
[18:41] <Smeuuh> Cynthia: you must be kidding
[18:42] <Cynthia> PulseAudio was hopelessly broken in the start of Karmic alpha5, but now it's better
[18:42] <Cynthia> And I said "something" in the works - that's not necessarily a sound server
[18:42] <xmnt> it worked fine for me since alpha2
[18:42] <eagles0513875> it would be interesting in seeing jack take over as the audio server
[18:43] <Cynthia> Smeuuh: I must be kidding about what, libsydney?
[18:43] <DanaG> bah, I never did manage to figure out how to use Jack.
[18:43] <Smeuuh> Cynthia: yeah, don't tell me it's yet another layer ?
[18:43] <DanaG> It doesn't do network stuff, or bluetooth, anywayh.
[18:43] <TeLe> im really pissed about pidgin not being default anymore
[18:43] <Cynthia> Smeuuh: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/linuxaudio.png  yes, sadly :(
[18:44] <Nafai> TeLe: Why does it matter?  Its easy to install...
[18:44] <xmnt> why, just install it
[18:44] <Smeuuh> Cynthia: where does libsidney fit in this ?
[18:45] <Cynthia> Smeuuh: uh, somewhere :D I don't really know exactly. Probably a rectangle at the top, with arrows pointing *everywhere*
[18:45] <Smeuuh> this is madness.
[18:45] <DanaG> ARTS is deprecated.
[18:45] <DanaG> So is ESD.
[18:45] <DanaG> And so is NAS, I think.
[18:46] <DanaG> and what is allegro?  I've never heard of that, or of clanlib.
[18:46] <Smeuuh> they're libs like SDL
[18:46] <Smeuuh> (don't know about clanlib though)
[18:47] <duncan> at what time are the alphas usually released/
[18:47] <duncan> as alpha 6 is supposed to be out today at some point
[18:47] <TeLe> they are prob still testing
[18:48] <DanaG> Flash fail: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008/05/flash_uses_the_gpu.html#comments
[18:48] <RagnarokAngel> well if the releases from yesterday are any indication don't hold your breath -- they broke tons of stuff
[18:49] <RagnarokAngel> I can't even boot up now
[18:49] <DanaG> oh yeah, and Flash also steals tab focus, and won't give it back.
[18:49] <DanaG> That's really, really, really bad for accessibility.
[18:49] <Nafai> flash is just really bad in general
[18:49] <om26er> duncan: the last one also released late in the day
[18:49] <Nafai> too bad I like watching video on the net
[18:49] <DanaG> I mean, imagine if you have to use keyboard only.... and your keyboard focus gets stuck in a Flash object.  You're screwed!
[18:49] <om26er> duncan: but was released at this time of the day
[18:50] <duncan> om26er, thanks
[18:50] <duncan> om26er, not too late for me here, 9:50 am :P
[18:51] <om26er> duncan: 11:50pm for me
[18:51] <duncan> eastern europe?
[18:52] <om26er> does flash playback use GPU?
[18:53] <om26er> duncan: middle east
[18:53] <om26er> duncan: or asia
[18:53] <duncan> om26er, yeah that would do it :) alaska here
[18:55] <om26er> i can play dvd videos with perfect fps but the flash playback does not have more than 20fps in fullscreen. what can the problem really be
[18:55] <webbb82> im about to download alpha 6 any new improvements on it
[18:55] <xmnt> om26er, it's supposed to i think - you can disable it -- but I might be wrong
[18:55] <xmnt> webbb82, i don't think its out yet is it?
[18:56] <xmnt> webbb82, the links were all dead for me
[18:56] <om26er> xmnt: its not yet released
[18:56] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and YouTube is also particularly bad.
[18:56] <webbb82> i thought it was today
[18:57] <om26er> xmnt: what does this mean   it's supposed to i think - you can disable it
[18:57] <mapet> karmic is still broken atm, is it?
[18:57] <om26er> webbb82: and it will
[18:57] <xmnt> om26er, you want your money back?
[18:57] <om26er> mapet: not exactly
[18:58] <webbb82> i cant find the link to where the download page will be for the alphas and dailys
[18:58] <om26er> mapet: for me it have only few bugs and ferforms well (for me)
[18:58] <JanC> om26er: flash alpha can use the GPU but they disable it on most cards because they are too stupid to test correctly for the needed features...
[18:59] <om26er> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/
[18:59] <mapet> there were some updates a few days ago. iirc upstart, initscript, mountall that made the system unbootable. and i'm still experience serious boot problems
[18:59] <webbb82> om26er, thanks
[18:59] <om26er> JanC: can i enable it
[19:00] <om26er> webbb82: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com
[19:00] <o_portista17> what kind of issues you guys have while booting?
[19:00] <JanC> om26er: only by recompiling the OpenGL drivers for your ward so that it lies in its copyright string
[19:00] <JanC> card
[19:00] <DanaG> compare these two approximately-the-same videos:
[19:00] <DanaG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zT5zmMN0D4
[19:00] <DanaG> http://www.tm-tube.com/video/6935/%5BPF%5D+Phantom+Fake+%28HD%29
[19:00] <mapet> it always says that the root filesystem must be checked and drops me to a shell. i than fsck and press ctrl+d and nothing happends. after a while I reboot with ctrl-alt-delete and the same thing happends again
[19:00] <om26er> JanC: gma950
[19:00] <webbb82> om26er, thank you
[19:00] <DanaG> fullscreen... youtube lags horribly, yet tm-tube works fine.
[19:01] <o_portista17> the 9.10 is dead ;|
[19:01] <duncan> how is empathy shaping up?
[19:01] <mapet> in addition network-manager stopped working
[19:01] <DanaG> er, this one is the same as the tm-tube one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1-GQsLWiYA&feature=related
[19:01] <sunshinepants> I think I'm going to ditch network-manager..
[19:01] <om26er> duncan: empathy still needs work to be done
[19:01] <JanC> om26er: the URL that DanaG posted has all the information
[19:01] <o_portista17> i can't boot it, because the startx doesn't work, and it doesn't start any kind of windows manager
[19:01] <DanaG> Flash fail: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008/05/flash_uses_the_gpu.html#comments
[19:01] <DanaG> that's the one.
[19:01] <duncan> sunshinepants, i've always had good luck with wicd, used it when I used arch
[19:02] <o_portista17> but, i had a problem with /etc/mtab~ and some other files in /lib/.....
[19:02] <duncan> om26er, are they hoping to have it squared away by release?
[19:02] <GobiTheGoblin> I just tried Ufo game, and when exiting, overheating crash. Darn
[19:03] <om26er> duncan: pidgin shud come back
[19:03] <webbb82> what is ubuntu moblin
[19:03] <JanC> empathy seems to work well for me, but I only use jabber & local XMPP ("bonjour")  ;)
[19:04] <GobiTheGoblin> om26er: Why's that? Too much problems with Emphaty?
[19:04] <om26er> GobiTheGoblin: pidgin is simple actually
[19:04] <JanC> webbb82: Moblin is Intel's mobile linux platform
[19:04] <duncan> om26er, I just wish pidgin had video support and wouldn't crash 50% of the time when it tries to open webmail through firefox
[19:04] <om26er> duncan: it has
[19:04] <GobiTheGoblin> om26er: Oh. k
[19:04] <om26er> duncan: pidgin have video support
[19:05] <om26er> use pidgin ppa
[19:05] <duncan> om26er, ah, they added it recently?
[19:05] <duncan> om26er, i'll have to update pidgin then
[19:05] <DanaG> Only for xmpp, though
[19:06] <om26er> DanaG: empthy also have xmpp
[19:06] <duncan> DanaG, so through google talk as well then?
[19:06] <om26er> duncan: gtalk is xmpp
[19:06] <om26er> duncan: http://pidgin.im/download/ubuntu/
[19:06] <duncan> om26er, yeah :) and thanks
[19:09] <om26er> is there any better window manager to replace compiz
[19:09] <wastrel> metacity
[19:10] <duncan> om26er, what is compiz doing?
[19:10] <duncan> wastrel, I find I get annoying delays when using metacity switching windows
[19:10] <om26er> wastrel: not mentioned i don't wanna loose effect and want good video playback
[19:10] <om26er> duncan: what u mean\
[19:11] <duncan> om26er, in compiz I get instantaneous window switching with alt tabbing, however with metacity I seem to get about a 1/4 second or so delay, so when doing something where rapidly switching windows doing analysis work or something, it starts to bug me alot
[19:12] <om26er> duncan: i too have the same case
[19:13] <om26er> metacity-compositing makes video choppy worse than compiz
[19:13] <duncan> om26er, yeah, they have a long way to go developing compositing for metacity
[19:14] <duncan> om26er, you might be able to use xfwm in gnome, not sure how much effort it would take
[19:14] <duncan> xfce has some decent effects and takes few resources
[19:14] <DopeGhoti> is α6 still dropping today?
[19:15] <Daemonax> Anyone here have any ideas as to how many more hours till the release of alpha 6? Just wondering if I should sleep or not.
[19:16] <om26er> duncan: the window border of xfce are not good
[19:17] <om26er> Daemonax: sleep and check the next day
[19:17] <duncan> om26er, to my knowlege that's all the compositing window managers, aside form kwin
[19:17] <nonix4> Karmic inside a VM repeatedly complains about "end_request: I/O error, dev vda, sector 0" - is that a know problem and is it dangerous?
[19:19] <om26er> duncan: metacity look professional and compiz needs some realtime development
[19:20] <om26er> nonix4: chech launchpad
[19:20] <duncan> om26er, yeah, hopefully compiz 1.0 does some good work
[19:21] <Pad> so ubuntu 9.10 is screwed?
[19:21] <om26er> Pad: no
[19:21] <om26er> Pad: try it
[19:21] <duncan> Pad, it's still alpha, things will break :)
[19:22] <Pad> i read somewhere that someone upload a patch that screwed the most recent alpha
[19:22] <om26er> i have seen that ubuntu moblin remix daily cd was last created on 14th so is the development stopped?
[19:22] <DopeGhoti> Pad: from what I have seen, things were a touch chaotic yesterday, but that seems settled now.
[19:23] <om26er> Pad: omg
[19:23] <om26er> Pad: where did u read that?
[19:23] <nonix4> om26er: hmm, didn't spot it mentioned on launchpad, but google says fedora users have noticed the same issue
[19:23] <Pad> why? it's not true?
[19:24] <cjwatson> Pad: we landed some substantial changes to the boot process, and the landing was a little rough. "somebody uploaded a patch that screwed the most recent alpha" is (a) inaccurate (the alpha isn't out yet, and we got the worst of the problems fixed first) and (b) a somewhat childish oversimplification :)
[19:24] <om26er> nonix4: what u talkin abt
[19:26] <Cynthia> om26er: Please speak English in this room
[19:26] <cjwatson> om26er: moblin> no, automatic CD builds were just frozen in preparation for alpha 6
[19:26] <nonix4> om26er: hmm, was "<om26er> nonix4: chech launchpad" misdirected? :) that end_request: msg from Karmic inside a VM
[19:26] <cjwatson> om26er: they'll restart once alpha 6 is out
[19:26] <martinx_> guys, the Karmic alpha6 will be delayed? The alpha5 does not run on my HP server... thanks!
[19:26] <cjwatson> martinx_: no, it should be out fairly soon
[19:27] <cjwatson> we're just taking the opportunity for some final testing of some of the less popular images
[19:27] <blueyed> root on cryptsetup is still broken?!
[19:27] <Pad> fn'cjwatson i dont know what happened, i dont use ubuntu, i just was asking what happened
[19:27] <blueyed> (does not ask for a passphrase)
[19:27] <om26er> Cynthia: where did u come from
[19:27] <DopeGhoti> do the boot changes in α6 include the new usplash?
[19:27] <Pad> cjwatson i dont know what happened, i dont use ubuntu, i just was asking what happened
[19:27] <cjwatson> blueyed: I think so, but I believe a fix is on its way
[19:27] <cjwatson> Pad: switch of many core init scripts to upstart jobs
[19:27] <Cynthia> om26er: I was here earlier today
[19:27] <duncan> gah, sometimes I want to strangle evolution
[19:27] <martinx_> cjwatson, thank you!
[19:27] <td123> DopeGhoti: a6 didn't come out yet right?
[19:27] <Pad> cjwatson is it solved already?
[19:27] <DopeGhoti> td123: As I understand it, α6 is scheduled to drop today sometime
[19:28] <DopeGhoti> td123: which may well be 23:59:59 UTC for all I know
[19:28] <cjwatson> blueyed: specifically, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-September/008929.html
[19:28] <cjwatson> Pad: the bulk of the problems have been cleared up, although some people are still having problems
[19:30] <om26er> i read on a website that ubuntu is re-thinking to bring back pidgin. was it ever being considered
[19:32] <duncan> *sigh* if I can't seem to get evolution to work properly with google calendar i'm going to have to start syncing a local calendar over ubuntu one
[19:33] <duffydack> om26er, nothing stopping you using it anyway..  I personally think empathy is a step backwards...
[19:33] <mac_v> cjwatson: inspite of alpha 6 not being released , if we are running alpha5  , we can update and get all the updates in alpha6, right?
[19:33] <om26er> duffydack: does default application mean anthing to u?
[19:33] <duffydack> om26er, no, I dont use windows.
[19:33] <duncan> here is a question, are they going to port over some of the pidgin integration to empathy, such as contact import in evolution?
[19:34] <cjwatson> mac_v: sure, as normal
[19:34] <graingert> When can we pre-order cd's from ShipIt?
[19:34] <mac_v> thanks :)
[19:34] <duffydack> om26er, I remove a few "default" apps when I install ubuntu.
[19:34] <om26er> duffydack: that's ur problem
[19:35] <om26er> duffydack: all that matters is what comes out of the box
[19:35] <duffydack> om26er, ?  I dont recall mentioning a problem.. what are you trying to say exactly.
[19:35] <om26er> duffydack: nothing,
[19:35] <mac_v> om26er: empathy stays , no pidgin for new installs ,but for upgrading usrs pidgin will not be removed
[19:36] <jcole> we have hundreds of network printers.. and with ubuntu jaunty, i could go to add printer to see all the network printers and easily select the one i want... but with karmic, it *only* shows the model now and no longer the ip, so i have no idea which printer im selecting since the same model is all throughout the network... how do i show the ip like jaunty used to do so i can select the right printer?
[19:38] <blueyed> The boot process isn't logged anywhere still, is it? (so I could see why /etc/init/cryptdisks has not been started)
[19:39] <jcole> ive browsed every option in the printer configuration gui and cant seem to find it out how to re-enable the ip... do i have to dtrop to a prompt and edit cups config files? or is there something hidden in gconf?
[19:40] <om26er> is ubuntu moblin remix gonna be an every 6month release?
[19:42] <dto> hey. how safe is updating today?
[19:43] <Tallken> personally i don't know, i'm waiting until the sticky on ubuntuforums disappears to upgrade
[19:43] <dto> look like nothing kernel or boot related. except a grub update. but i'm not expecting problems there
[19:43] <Machtin> well.. why not wait for alpha 6?
[19:48] <dto> everything looks good. ubuntu one appears not to work still.
[19:48] <blueyed> bug 432052
[19:50] <polz> is anyone else having problems with their computer hanging upon boot since a recent karmic dist-upgrade?
[19:50] <blueyed> most of us, at least me, yes.
[19:51] <blueyed> polz: you might be lucky and "only" need to upgrade (if you've done so yesterday). I guess you're seeing a black screen only?
[19:51] <blueyed> polz: with X/gdm failing to start?
[19:51] <polz> so far, at least in my case, mountall seems to hang when it tries to mount a partition on lvm on software raid
[19:52] <blueyed> that should be fixed by now. using cryptsetup, too?
[19:52] <polz> blueyed: it locks up much, much earlier.
[19:52] <blueyed> when did you update?
[19:52] <polz> cryptsetup?
[19:52] <polz> I didn't know I was supposed to use that
[19:52] <blueyed> (encrypted disks), so no.
[19:52] <blueyed> you do not have to.
[19:52] <blueyed> makes things much worse in those breakups.
[19:53] <polz> is the mountall maintainer anywhere near here?
[19:54] <blueyed> it's not mountall or cryptsetup after all. the boot process has been "overhauled". You're asking for upstart maintainer prolly.
[19:55] <polz> well, in my case, mountall hangs if I try to get it to dump a log
[19:55] <polz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/430684 < by adding /bin/bash to /etc/init/mountall.conf
[19:56] <polz> and I can get my machine to boot if I comment out the lvm partition in fstab
[20:00] <polz> btw, why would anyone use C instead of sh for something like this?
[20:04] <duncan> *ponders how Kubuntu will turn out now that it has dedicated developers*
[20:05] <pradeep> is alpha version of karmic safe to use?
[20:05] <polz> pradeep: not at the moment, at least not for me,
[20:06] <TeLe> ive been using since alpha1
[20:06] <TeLe> things break but then you fix them
[20:06] <TeLe> if you are scared of that then use 9.04
[20:06] <pradeep> polz : can't wait here to use:-) so asked is it safe
[20:06] <Tallken> duncan: dedicated devs?
[20:07] <polz> TeLe: unless they break so badly that you can't even get your computer to boot to anything more than /bin/bash
[20:07] <TeLe> polz that has happened to me frequently :)
[20:07] <TeLe> but i always manage to fix it
[20:07] <Tallken> TeLe: got the libc6 break in 8.04 alpha 6, seriously uncool
[20:07] <polz> I mean seriously, who came up with the idea of _compiled_ replacements for basic init scripts? How do you fix mountall if it breaks??!?
[20:08] <duncan> Tallken, to my understanding Kubuntu recently got 3 developers dedicated to it
[20:08] <TeLe> polz, reinstall lol
[20:08] <Tallken> duncan: cool :D
[20:09] <polz> TeLe: yeah, great idea.
[20:09] <duncan> anyone know where to find a changelog for the beta of gnome 2.28?  all I can seem to find on the gnome live page is "Brasero default cd burner"
[20:09] <connex> Hi, i ran apt-get update and upgrade and it broke my system, twice(i reinstalled and updated again), no network or X.
[20:09] <DopeGhoti> wait, what's this? "Ubuntu Software Store"?
[20:10] <TeLe> going to replace add/remove
[20:10] <NoelJB> duncan, is that good?  Kubuntu seems to be the red-headed step child, with all the work going into the Gnome variation of Ubuntu.
[20:10] <duncan> and update, and synaptic
[20:10] <Tallken> connex: known issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1267183
[20:11] <duncan> NoelJB, that's the point of the new developers, to add some polish to kubuntu
[20:12] <duncan> NoelJB, or so I would imagine
[20:12] <Michalxo> people on gnome, can you try alt+f2 -> nautilus and confirm, that there is brasero icon? :)
[20:12] <connex> Wow, looks serious.
[20:13] <cdE|Woozy> confirmed
[20:13] <Michalxo> cdE|Woozy, thanks... should I fill it as a bug or let it be?
[20:14] <DopeGhoti> cdE|Woozy: confirmed ehre to, on just-updated installation
[20:14] <cdE|Woozy> you should probably file a bug
[20:14] <Michalxo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/do/+bug/359216
[20:14] <IdleOne> Michalxo: confirmed on 9.04 also
[20:14]  * Mike1 wants stable Karmic! :-(
[20:14] <duncan> >.> just notice gnome power manager crapped out on me
[20:15] <Michalxo> docky = alt+f2??
[20:16] <cdE|Woozy> no, docky is part of gnome-do
[20:16] <duncan> Mike1, october 29 :)
[20:16] <duncan> I heard the gnome-do developer joined conanical?
[20:17] <Mike1> duncan: i doubt it will work until then
[20:17] <duncan> Mike1, once beta hits it's usually stable
[20:18] <duncan> Mike1, Alpha is forcing through changes while beta is killing off the bugs
[20:18] <duncan> Mike1, not quite that black and white, but to an extent
[20:26] <jhasf> any word on alpha 6 yet?
[20:26] <Michalxo> launchpad down?
[20:26] <cdE|Woozy> hm, gnome-panel is using /usr/share/applications/brasero-nautilus.desktop when you type nautilus
[20:27] <cdE|Woozy> yikes
[20:27] <cdE|Woozy> I think I know why
[20:28] <cdE|Woozy> a quick look to panel-run-dialog.c indicates it iterates all desktop files (probably in alphabetical order) and does fuzzy_command_match() on what you typed in the run dialog and what the desktop file provides as Exec=
[20:29] <leon> any news on alpha 6?
[20:29] <cdE|Woozy> brasero-nautilus.desktop comes before nautilus.desktop and contains "Exec=nautilus --no-default-window --no-desktop burn:///"
[20:29] <Michalxo> so it's a bug
[20:29] <cdE|Woozy> that's the first match that fits, so it uses the icon that's specified there, which is the one for brasero
[20:29] <cdE|Woozy> yep
[20:29] <Michalxo> I am trying to fill :)
[20:30] <Michalxo> but LP seems to be down :-/
[20:30]  * cdE|Woozy tests
[20:30] <cdE|Woozy> working here :)
[20:30] <cdE|Woozy> I'll file it
[20:30] <Michalxo> damn
[20:30] <Michalxo> ok
[20:34] <duncan> hmm 6 days until gnome 2.28 is due
[20:34] <Michalxo> cdE|Woozy, really works for you? :)
[20:34] <Michalxo> duncan, be patient :) see how far gnu/linux come in past 3 years :)
[20:35] <zniavre> !grub2
[20:35] <duncan> Michalxo, oh I know, and I am, just observing was looking at the release schedule :)
[20:36] <duncan> I'm just waiting to see a change log for 2.28 to see if some of my gripes with evolution are fixed
[20:36] <DopeGhoti> !gnome-shell
[20:36] <duncan> gnome-shell is scaring me >.>
[20:37] <DopeGhoti> Weren't they planning on using gnome-shell in Karmic?
[20:37] <duncan> it's still alpha, I don't think so
[20:37] <duncan> it's not due to release until 3.0 with zietergeist
[20:38] <duncan> though i'm not holding my breath for it, from what i've seen of gnome shell in videos it looks like a whole lot of uselessness
[20:38] <vigo> Neato
[20:38] <duncan> I hope you get a choice between shell and panel once it comes out
[20:38] <cdE|Woozy> Michalxo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/432074
[20:39] <Michalxo> what is gnome-shell?
[20:39] <duncan> Michalxo, i'll get some links for you, one moment
[20:40] <Michalxo> cdE|Woozy, thx
[20:40] <acicula> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell
[20:40] <duncan> it's supposed to replace gnome-panel in gnome 3.0 http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcpndKUx4pc
[20:41] <raindog> I'm having trouble with fonts rendering horribly in Karmic Kubuntu.  For some reason I can't reset them to default.  Am I missing something?
[20:41] <natewiebe13> Still some lingering issues, be wary <--- meaning alpha 6 wont be released yet?
[20:42] <natewiebe13> status on alpha 6 anyone?
[20:43] <natewiebe13> cjwatson: ^ ??
[20:43] <Pici> isos are being tested, some issues.  It'll be done when its done.
[20:44] <Michalxo> duncan, personally I'd have a BIG probelm to improve gnome as it is now :)
[20:44] <natewiebe13> Pici: hows todays daily build?
[20:45] <duncan> Michalxo, aye, to me as far as interface goes gnome is fine I just want some usability and feature addons for programs, no need to redesign the shell
[20:45] <duncan> Michalxo, like a slightly more customizable power manager :)
[20:45] <vigo> About Ubuntu says that this is 9.10 , all seems to function, but I am a simpleton.
[20:46] <cdE|Woozy> yay, new xsplash artwork
[20:46] <duncan> lovely every time I try to fullscreen youtube firefox crashes
[20:46] <TeLe> use 3.7
[20:47] <Pici> natewiebe13: some issues: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[20:48] <natewiebe13> cdE|Woozy: i laughed when i saw it.. i customized my gdm, so it doesnt match at all.. it goes from brown, to green, to brown
[20:48] <duncan> Tele 3.7 stable?
[20:48] <TeLe> of course not
[20:48] <TeLe> thats the fun of it :p
[20:48] <duncan> :)
[20:49] <cdE|Woozy> natewiebe13, color variation ftw ;)
[20:51] <DWonderly> Is there a delay for Alpha 6 or, does it get released COB today?
[20:51] <TeLe> theres still bugs being worked out
[20:54] <DWonderly> with upstart?
[20:54] <TeLe> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[20:56] <gletob> Hey anyone know how to fix the whole not being able to boot thing.  I'm running in a live cd right now.
[20:57] <BluesKaj> gletob, alpha 5 ?
[20:57] <natewiebe13> gletob: can you get into the recovery window?
[20:57] <gletob> I can't get into the recovery menu or get ethernet to start working.
[20:58] <gletob> I've got the Live CD running on the same machine.
[20:59] <gletob> Do you know how to get terminal access from the live cd?
[21:01] <gletob> Y'all there BluesKaj and natewiebe13?
[21:01] <BluesKaj> gletob, reinstall on the same partition using manual partitioning and choosing /  for the karmic partition
[21:01] <natewiebe13> gletob: i did a dist-upgrade from recovery terminal, but from what i know, you can chroot into your directory
[21:01] <BluesKaj> you shouldn't lose much data except for apps that you may have compiled from source
[21:02] <gletob> natewiebe13: I rember chrooting, but now how to do so.
[21:03] <natewiebe13> gletob: i havent actually done it before.. a few days ago, people kept posting a link with instructions
[21:04] <gletob> I wonder if ubottu has insructions
[21:04] <gletob> !chroot
[21:17] <hexa> hi
[21:18] <hexa> anybody here who could help me to debug bug #394500
[21:19] <tobixen> Probably not related, but fwiw my mplayer freezes sometimes when playing music - especially when closing the lid or using the arrow keys
[21:19] <tobixen> it wasn't an issue with jaunty
[21:19] <hexa> i exeperienced that as well
[21:20] <hexa> i killed pa then, waited till it restarted and it worked again
[21:20] <hexa> for the next track/movie/whatsoever
[21:20] <tobixen> I just did ^C on mplayer and restarted it
[21:20] <hexa> on the next track the cpu usage of pa would spike
[21:21] <td123> hmm, my alpha 5 installation just died after an upgrade and I just booted into it. perfect timing for alpha 6's release :)
[21:22] <td123> whenever a6 will be release
[21:26] <nemo> Shame that there is absolutely no way FF3.7 will be in karmic
[21:26] <nemo> since the mozilla guys finally enabled 64 bit support for tracemonkey
[21:26] <nemo> pretty sure they haven't enabled that in 3.6 though :-/
[21:26] <td123> nemo: no thanks, after what happened with firefox on 9.04...
[21:27] <hexa> that was indeed canoncials fault
[21:27] <hexa> the whole shiretoko renaming crap
[21:27] <td123> I don't think we should be using beta software in a release
[21:28] <nemo> yeah, I guess.
[21:28] <nemo> still. means that either the 64 bit guys put up with javascript that is like 5x slower
[21:28] <nemo> or else use 32 bit builds
[21:29] <hexa> shiretoko in 9.04 was a bad idea, i agree
[21:29] <td123> nemo: so what if it's 5x slower, it probably sums up to like a 100 ms difference. :P
[21:29] <nemo> td123: makes quite a bit more difference than that on actual web apps
[21:29] <diwic> karmic does not start gdm anymore :(
[21:30] <nemo> td123: also increased use of <canvas> pretty much requires something like TM to be useable
[21:30] <diwic> the first sign is udev saying something about "symlink key"
[21:30] <acicula> nemo: no backports for 3.7? and why does one want tracemonkey?
[21:30] <td123> nemo: at least for me, speed is the last thing I look at in a browser.
[21:30] <diwic> next, init cannot connect to dbus...
[21:31] <diwic> any clues?
[21:31] <td123> diwic: check if dbus is running
[21:31] <nemo> td123: well. it is noticeable.  obviously most web apps still support IE
[21:31] <nemo> so the only difference is smooth and instantaneous movements vs stuttery ones
[21:31] <nemo> but things like google wave absolutely demand JIT for JS
[21:32] <diwic> td123: it is not, so I'm starting it, then hal, then gdm (and then it starts), but the network is still broken
[21:33] <diwic> td123: there is a dmesg that networkmanager is segfaulting in libdbus.
[21:33] <nemo> http://www.bailopan.net/blog/?p=595
[21:33] <nemo> blog discussing enabling of 64 bit tracemonkey
[21:34] <td123> nemo: just compile it and run it yourself (no one's stopping you) :)
[21:34] <nemo> http://m8y.org/tmp/peacekeeper.jpeg - the difference between FF3 and FF3.5 is almost utterly due to TM
[21:34] <nemo> td123: I'm going to do that
[21:34] <nemo> I was just wishing others could benefit too
[21:34] <nemo> but obviously not goign to happen
[21:35] <td123> nemo: sometimes the disadvantages outweigh the advantages
[21:35] <Hellmark[S10e]> Anyone know what happened to the media device support in Amarok? 2.1.80 seems to be devoid of the ability to interface with media devices.
[21:36] <td123> nemo: I think the last thing that canonical wants is to get 1000 autogenerated crash reports from firefox on the release date :P
[21:36] <nemo> heh
[21:36] <td123> Hellmark[S10e]: are they mounted?
[21:37] <td123> I mean, is your device mounted :) misread that
[21:41] <AnAnt> Hello, is Karl Daumeier here ?
[21:45] <webbb82> any word on alpha 6
[21:46] <acicula> it got lost
[21:46] <webbb82> lol
[21:46] <webbb82> kidnapped
[21:47] <acicula> they was all uploading n shit, and then the drones attacked and blew the intertube bridges
[21:47] <AnAnt> isonapped
[21:48] <webbb82> oh great now how am i going to get home
[21:48] <AnAnt> webbb82: do you usually go home via FTP ?
[21:49] <acicula> he hasnt got a wireless version of the matrix yet
[21:49] <ior3k> anyone know if it's safe to update now? #ubuntu-devel says karmic is happier but hung-over and I'm not sure exactly what that means...
[21:49] <acicula> ior3k: does your system work?
[21:50] <ior3k> mostly, but I get some udev errors on startup
[21:50] <ior3k> and *no* usplash
[21:50] <acicula> typos, harmless
[21:50] <ior3k> I need my usplash
[21:51] <acicula> http://ylatis.com/darkon/humor/flochart.html
[21:51] <MaximLevitsky> what is that couchdb used for?
[21:52] <acicula> evolution
[21:52] <hexa> evolution uses couchdb
[21:52] <MaximLevitsky> I once remove it, and evolution still did work fine
[21:52] <MaximLevitsky> removed
[21:52] <MaximLevitsky> this couchdb slows down bot
[21:52] <MaximLevitsky> boot
[21:54] <webbb82> how is the software store  sounds like a good idea if they get it rite
[21:55] <natewiebe13> its better than add/remove
[21:55] <natewiebe13> webbb82: ^
[21:55] <diwic> ior3k: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/430654 ?
[21:57] <diwic> webbb82: I don't understand why they want to call it a "store" if everything is free inside.
[21:57] <webbb82> ya  good point, maybe theyll sell ubuntu shirts and mugs too
[21:57] <td123> they released a6?
[21:57] <acicula> diwic: add payed software later i guess? or as an alternative for add/remove programs
[21:57] <webbb82> and fluffy koalas
[21:57] <AnAnt> webbb82: haha
[21:58] <AnAnt> I think they might add paid software indeed
[21:58] <diwic> acicula: probably
[21:58] <MaximLevitsky> And it isn't a bad idea
[21:58] <webbb82> yumm or koala steaks
[21:58] <cjwatson> ior3k: usplash is intentionally turned off for the time being while we make sure the new boot system works right
[21:59] <cjwatson> ior3k: it'll be turned back on for beta
[21:59] <webbb82> with soy sauce
[22:00] <diwic> webbb82: the question is, how will that affect your Karma? :-)
[22:00] <ior3k> dwic, cjwatson, acicula: thanks for the info
[22:00] <BUGabundo> guud evening
[22:01] <BUGabundo> thanks to whoever subbed me to that Compiz bug
[22:01] <ior3k> diwic, even (sorry about that)
[22:01]  * BUGabundo send HUGS
[22:01] <BUGabundo> another bug sreadahead eating CPU like crazy
[22:02] <BUGabundo> anyone has a bug for that?
[22:02]  * BUGabundo nudges cjwatson kindly
[22:02] <cjwatson> I'm not a search engine :)
[22:02] <webbb82> i can eat a koala i have great karma i filled out a few bug reports lol
[22:03] <mac_v> lol cj
[22:03] <cjwatson> there are only a few bugs filed on sreadahead, not many to look through
[22:03] <diwic> NetworkManager[1459]: segfault at aaaaaaaa ip 00784832 sp bfd9d2a0 error 4 in libdbus-glib-1.so.2.1.0[778000+1e000] :-(
[22:05] <jhasf> is alpha 6 being released today?
[22:05] <jhasf> its 10 pm GMT
[22:06] <natewiebe13> 5pm EST
[22:06] <martinx_> 17pm -0300
[22:06] <martinx_> :)
[22:08] <NoelJB> DanaG, you've been paying attention to the theme issues.  Do you know if we're supposed to see anything new, yet?  I see that the new xsplash presentation is different, but I don't see anything new on the Gnome desktop.
[22:08] <jhasf> someone send shuttleworth an sms ; hes fallen asleep ;)
[22:08] <TeLe> http://kanyelicio.us/http://www.ubuntu.com/
[22:08] <DanaG> hmm, I'm not sure what's going on.  the xsplash ppa had new artwork for a while, but then went back to the old artwork.
[22:09] <NoelJB> jhasf, well, it IS late there, and he works hard :-)
[22:09] <NoelJB> DanaG, I haven't been looking at that PPA, just the main for it.
[22:09] <DanaG> Oddly enough, the latest PPA version isn't even installable.
[22:10] <mac_v> jhasf: shuttlework is on vacation till 21st ;)
[22:10] <DanaG> it has ubuntu-xsplash-artwork conflict with xsplash.
[22:10] <mac_v> worth*
[22:10] <natewiebe13> xsplash was updated today on the normal repos and it had new artwork
[22:10] <mac_v> i hate it! , i dont like the new xsplash!
[22:11] <NoelJB> natewiebe13, mac_v but do you see any new artwork for gdm after boot?
[22:11] <natewiebe13> mac_v: totally agree
[22:11] <natewiebe13> no gdm artwork yet
[22:11] <mac_v> NoelJB: i dont think we'll see anything new :(
[22:11] <mac_v> whats with the udev errors! ,anyone has any ideas?
[22:11] <NoelJB> natewiebe13, mac_v thanks.  I just wanted to confirm that I'm not missing something
[22:11] <natewiebe13> if only Mr.Doob could get in with the artwork team :(
[22:11] <mac_v> natewiebe13 ;p
[22:12] <martinx_> guys, the alpha6 have a more recent kernel or it is the same shipped with alpha5?!
[22:14] <mrmcq2u> more recent
[22:15] <cdm10> Hi -- where's Alpha 6? The link to the download page is broken :)
[22:15] <acicula> cdm10: it's not released
[22:16] <Haegin_> Hi, how do I get into recovery mode to reset my password in karmic? It doesn't give me the option on startup with grub2
[22:16] <cdm10> well, someone jumped the gun with http://ubuntu.com/testing then. Oh well.
[22:16] <acicula> i'm sure it's comming soon
[22:17]  * mac_v searching for a way to hack xsplash
[22:17] <cdm10> doesn't matter much, just thought I'd start my torrent up so it'll be there when I get home :)
[22:18] <webbb82> what makes the "ext4" filesystem  better then ext3
[22:19] <roffe> Are you guys happy with Empathy replacing Pidgin?
[22:19] <skdhjskd> not one bit
[22:19] <cjwatson> guys, relax about alpha 6
[22:19] <skdhjskd> goodness what an awful messenger
[22:19] <cjwatson> it's in preparation and will be released soon
[22:19] <skdhjskd> i still install pidgin
[22:19] <cjwatson> take it easy
[22:19] <cdm10> cjwatson: who wasn't taking it easy?
[22:19] <cjwatson> lots of people in scrollback :)
[22:19] <cjwatson> (before you joined)
[22:19] <NoelJB> roffe, <<shrug>> Both are available.  Pidgin has improved in most areas that people preferred about Empathy, but the real "win" with empathy is the programming framework.
[22:20] <cjwatson> cdm10: updating /testing is part of the milestone release process
[22:20] <webbb82> i can imagine people will be stopping in more and more with the same question
[22:20] <skdhjskd> i couldnt even send a file in empathy :P
[22:20] <cdm10> grr. Empathy is... sorta a good direction, but still highly irritating.
[22:20] <NoelJB> roffe, so I'm ambivalent.  Doesn't matter to me what Canonical chooses for the default, since it is easy to install Pidgin.
[22:20] <skdhjskd> let alone resize the chat window
[22:20] <roffe> skdhjskd, yeah that's what I thought. Well now that's it's the default IM I assume it'll rapidly look nicer
[22:20] <cdm10> skdhjskd: heh, I can't send files in Pidgin :) oh well.
[22:20] <Haegin_> cjwatson: are there any issues with udev that you know about at the moment?
[22:20] <cjwatson> cdm10: we don't bother syncing everything up to the second for milestones
[22:20] <skdhjskd> cdm10, weirdly i can receive good, and usually the first file sends ok but after that i just email it ;)
[22:21] <cjwatson> Haegin_: a couple of warning issues, but AFAIK most of the problems are actually elsewhere; but I'm not an expert
[22:21] <cdm10> blehhh. I don't like Empathy... but it's kinda a necessary evil, I suppose. Including it will drive development.
[22:21] <cdm10> Although, come on, make it as pretty as Pidgin please!
[22:21] <skdhjskd> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-6/ has changed
[22:21] <skdhjskd> ;)
[22:22] <NoelJB> I look at vinagre, the default VNC client, which I actually *do* care about.  and it certainly improved.  Thing sucked compared to any other VNC client when they first bundled it.
[22:22] <skdhjskd> any moment now
[22:22] <cdm10> NoelJB: still kinda sucks, you know.
[22:22] <mrmcq2u> I am resizing the chat window right now
[22:22] <cdm10> mrmcq2u: show-off :P
[22:22] <NoelJB> Yes, but today, I have no problem (generally) using it as the default VNC client.
[22:22] <NoelJB> cdm10, what're your major gripes with vinagre now?
[22:22] <skdhjskd> mrmcq2u, where you enter your text? not receive
[22:22] <skdhjskd> didn't work for me
[22:23] <cdm10> NoelJB: I mean... the biggest irritation for me is that it insists on hiding the client pointer when you go over the window, even if you have no control
[22:23] <mrmcq2u> why the hell would you resize a text entry
[22:23] <cdm10> NoelJB: actually, I take that back, I haven't tried it in Karmic
[22:23] <cdm10> mrmcq2u: heh, everyone griped when Pidgin removed that :) I didn't particularly mind.
[22:23] <Haegin_> cjwatson: ok, thanks. I'm having some issues on one pc that arn't showing up on either of the other two pcs that are running it. The system with the problem also has been having major problems with soft lockups occuring on the CPU but they seem to have cleared up now. Know anything about that?
[22:23] <mrmcq2u> do you resize the text entry in firefox or complain that you cant?
[22:23] <skdhjskd> because i type long sentences and i want to see ALL that i type
[22:23] <skdhjskd> mrmcq2u, kiss my ass
[22:23] <cdm10> skdhjskd: does it not auto-resize?
[22:23] <cjwatson> Haegin_: iirc soft lockups are a kernel issue, but sorry, this isn't really my field
[22:23] <NoelJB> cdm10, raise the issue with jonh.  For me, the biggest issue was always his atrocious keyboard handling, but that's mostly fixed.  Sufficient for my needs with emacs, et al.
[22:24] <Haegin_> cjwatson: that's ok, thanks for the help. Who should I ask about it if I continue to have problems?
[22:24] <cdE|Woozy> cdm10, it does, up to 8 lines
[22:24] <cjwatson> Haegin_: either #ubuntu-kernel or file a bug (they'd probably prefer the latter), I guess
[22:24] <skdhjskd> cdm10, let me install empathy to refresh my memory, but i dont like the client
[22:24] <cdm10> cdE|Woozy: seems like plenty.
[22:24] <skdhjskd> took me a while to adjust to pidgin
[22:24] <cdm10> NoelJB: I think the idea behind it was to take, for example, vncviewer, and replace it with something that follows Gnome guidelines and stuff.
[22:25] <cdm10> NoelJB: Unfortunately, the actual VNC goodness suffered, although the UI certainly was pretty :)
[22:25] <mrmcq2u> I think the lack of a resizing text entry is a feature, its chat not a blog.
[22:25] <skdhjskd> mrmcq2u, isn't that what caused  developers to fork when pidgin was having the same issue?
[22:25] <mrmcq2u> :)
[22:26] <mrmcq2u> yup
[22:26] <TeLe> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha6
[22:26] <cdm10> pidgin developers are... interesting.
[22:26] <skdhjskd> its the little things i guess
[22:26] <mrmcq2u> that was the worlds most pointless fork
[22:26] <NoelJB> cdm10, don't forget the AVAHI integration, which I take advantage of often.
[22:26] <mrmcq2u> or so the blogger sphere pointed out
[22:26] <skdhjskd> none must have g/fs cause they wont add cam support ;)
[22:26] <cdm10> NoelJB: oh, that's catually great
[22:26] <cdm10> skdhjskd: thought they just did
[22:26] <cdm10> I mean, they make a pretty great product... but... have you ever tried talking to them?
[22:27] <skdhjskd> for what gtalk?
[22:27] <cdm10> 2.6.1 adds XMPP Voice and Video but not on Windows-
[22:27] <skdhjskd> or jabber clients i guess
[22:27] <mrmcq2u> @ skdhjsd - lol
[22:28] <skdhjskd> most are waiting for yahoo or msn cam support
[22:28] <mrmcq2u> yeah but empathy supports xmpp google talk and msn voice/video now
[22:28] <skdhjskd> if m$ buy yahoo im deleting my yahoo id
[22:28] <mrmcq2u> and file transfers have also been fixed
[22:28] <cdm10> do file transfers work across XMPP pidgin-to-pidgin yet?
[22:29] <skdhjskd> mrmcq2u, are you sure it supports msn voice/video
[22:29] <cdm10> I can do pidgin-to-empathy, but not pidgin-to-pidgin :)
[22:29] <mrmcq2u> m$ cant buy yahoo, neither can google or the eu would be down on them like a tonne of bricks about antitrust
[22:29] <skdhjskd> 2.6.2?
[22:29] <skdhjskd> oh empathy
[22:29] <mrmcq2u> skdhjskd - yes
[22:29] <skdhjskd> they must have made some big changes since i used it in alpha5
[22:29] <mrmcq2u> its recent
[22:29] <skdhjskd> holy moly
[22:30] <skdhjskd> im gonna check it out again
[22:30] <NoelJB> Now if only they would support Skype voice/video :-)
[22:30] <skdhjskd> let me grab the torrent for alpha 6
[22:30] <cdm10> NoelJB: that'll be the day...
[22:30] <mrmcq2u> Its in the git repo
[22:30] <BUGabundo> cdm10: just get a daily and rsync
[22:30] <skdhjskd> well skype released an update to linux the other day
[22:30] <skdhjskd> not bad :)
[22:30] <BUGabundo> that's what I always do
[22:30] <BUGabundo> !daily > cdm10
[22:31] <mrmcq2u> there has been a request to exempt the new msn voice/video from feature freeze
[22:31] <NoelJB> skdhjskd, the other day?  I don't see anything newer than late August (https://developer.skype.com/LinuxSkype/)
[22:31] <cdm10> There's a plugin for Pidgin to remote-control Skype, but it doesn't ACTUALLY support the skype protocol
[22:31] <skdhjskd> 2.1 is new to me :)
[22:32] <NoelJB> skdhjskd, ah, I've been running it since the day it was released.
[22:32] <mrmcq2u> cdm10 there is also a plugin for telepathy/empathy to remote control skype
[22:32] <skdhjskd> NoelJB, how long has it been out
[22:32] <NoelJB> since late August.
[22:32] <skdhjskd> it doesnt provide an auto-update feature
[22:32] <roffe> There are alpha 6 iso's on ubuntu's webpage, but I thought it wasn't released yet
[22:32] <NoelJB> skdhjskd, did you get it from Skype or medibuntu?
[22:32] <skdhjskd> roffe, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-6/ is empty
[22:32] <skdhjskd> NoelJB, www.skype.com
[22:33] <roffe> skdhjskd, ah, that explains it
[22:33] <mrmcq2u> I have a funny feeling telepathy supports skype in some private branch somewhere, take a look at the n900 to see where I am getting the idea.. It uses telepathy for its contact manager and skype is one of the available protocols
[22:33] <skdhjskd> roffe, interesting enough that you can still go to skype mode in the linux version but they disabled it in the latest winblows one
[22:34] <skdhjskd> doh that was for NoelJB
[22:34] <cdm10> skdhjskd: er, skype mode?
[22:34] <skdhjskd> skype me
[22:34] <skdhjskd> status etc..
[22:34] <cdm10> ah.
[22:34] <cdm10> ...well that's a bit scary, my webcam light flashed when I went to the skype.com website.
[22:35] <skdhjskd> iso are up on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-6/
[22:35] <skdhjskd> waiting for a torrent though..
[22:35] <NoelJB> cdm10, I've seen the webcam flash as an visual indicator of an audio event.
[22:36] <cdm10> NoelJB: never had that happen for me... does Skype have a flash-based video chat on their website or something?
[22:36] <The_ZaRo> skdhjskd> no it's not
[22:36] <The_ZaRo> webpage is there, the files are not :)
[22:36] <skdhjskd> The_ZaRo, no its not what
[22:36] <skdhjskd> they are for me
[22:36] <skdhjskd> refresh
[22:37] <The_ZaRo> comming as we speak :)
[22:37] <The_ZaRo> I love live updates
[22:37] <cdm10> bye guys.
[22:37] <skdhjskd> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-6/karmic-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[22:38] <skdhjskd> go-go gadget torrent catcher
[22:41] <The_ZaRo> have fun :)
[22:41] <martinx_> AWESOME!!!
[22:41] <martinx_> :-D
[22:42] <natewiebe13> woot.. alpha six!
[22:42] <Michalxo> alpha 6 \o/
[22:42] <Michalxo> Ubuntu Karmic Alpha 6 includes the Ubuntu Software Store
[22:42] <Michalxo> where is this?!
[22:42] <Michalxo> I can't find it on my machine :-/
[22:42] <natewiebe13> under system
[22:42] <natewiebe13> from the menu
[22:43] <Michalxo> well.. system -> preference / administration / help gnome/ubuntu / about ubuntu
[22:43] <Michalxo> I am using taht 1 icon menu
[22:43] <cbr> is it known that new upstart switchover breaks KMS?
[22:43] <cbr> or is it unrelated?
[22:44] <Michalxo> anyway it's not there :-/
[22:44] <webbb82> its really silly how happy this download makes me  nerd gasm
[22:44] <natewiebe13> Michalxo: under system i have : preferences / administration / ubuntu software store /  help and support / about gnome / about ubuntu
[22:44] <Michalxo> wow
[22:44] <Michalxo> do i have to reboot machine? :-/
[22:44] <Spirits-Sight> I unable download the desktop / livecd that on todays announment? any other with this issue (USA)
[22:45] <Michalxo> hm.. gonna try X restart
[22:45] <xmnt> i'm wanting to install karmic ... should I go ahead and install alpha5 or wait till alpha6 is released?
[22:46] <webbb82> its released now
[22:46] <webbb82> xmnt,  its downloading rite now
[22:46] <xmnt> the links were dead just a few hours ago ... they change it since then
[22:47] <webbb82> try again
[22:47] <webbb82> :) yey
[22:47] <webbb82> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-6/karmic-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[22:47] <xmnt> nice
[22:48] <natewiebe13> Michalxo: see if software-store is installed in synaptic
[22:48] <Michalxo> wow.. I don't see it
[22:48] <natewiebe13> webbb82: im getting it from the ubuntu server : 29%
[22:48] <natewiebe13> Michalxo ^
[22:49] <Michalxo> aptituding :)
[22:49] <Michalxo> well.. my alpha is becoming more and more different from "default" alpha :D
[22:49] <Michalxo> still old gdm theme :-/
[22:49] <natewiebe13> yup
[22:50] <Michalxo> I see it!
[22:50] <natewiebe13> so it was a missing "software-store" package?
[22:50] <Michalxo> yes
[22:50] <natewiebe13> there you are
[22:50] <Michalxo> btw, is it "store" or free? :)
[22:50] <Michalxo> thanks
[22:50] <natewiebe13> free
[22:50] <Michalxo> oh, pfew :)
[22:50] <natewiebe13> its a replacement for add/remove
[22:50] <Michalxo> aha
[22:50] <natewiebe13> i like it much, much better
[22:51] <Michalxo> looks nice, but I'd still use cli apt :D
[22:51] <natewiebe13> same
[22:51] <Michalxo> what about packagekit?
[22:51] <Michalxo> do they plan to add it to ubuntu?
[22:51] <Michalxo> or into LL?
[22:51] <natewiebe13> i dont know about that one
[22:53] <webbb82> i could be mistaken but wasnt karmic a i686
[22:53]  * Crashbit se larga a tomar unas garimbas!
[22:54] <roffe> It's released! nice
[22:54] <Michalxo> what was the reason to "change" add/remove sw by store?
[22:54] <td123> webbb82: it says i386 on the iso, plus, debian is i386
[22:55] <roffe> Is it worth trying 64-bit?
[22:55] <webbb82> ya i realised that    too much smoke
[22:55] <Michalxo> roffe, i am on 64bit :)
[22:55] <BUGabundo> I'm on 64bits
[22:55] <BUGabundo> have been for several years
[22:56] <hexa> Michalxo add/remove kind of sucks :)
[22:56] <roffe> Michalxo, And you haven't encountered any greater problems than you would in 32-bit?
[22:56] <hexa> Michalxo i mean it is not like you could find anything if you hadn't got a clue what the programs are called for example
[22:56] <GobiTheGoblin> Does this mean it is released? http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha6
[22:56] <Michalxo> roffe, many problem in whole karmic, not just 64bit I think :)
[22:56] <hexa> GobiTheGoblin yes
[22:56] <Michalxo> GobiTheGoblin, yes
[22:57] <webbb82> people stop downloading alpha 6 my download is slowinig down
[22:57] <Michalxo> hexa, ah, true :)
[22:57] <GobiTheGoblin> w00t =)
[22:57] <Michalxo> why not use torrents?
[22:57] <hexa> uhm
[22:57] <xmnt> no seeders
[22:57] <GobiTheGoblin> i'll wait after first reports have came in
[22:57] <hexa> why not use dist-upgrade :P
[22:57] <webbb82> i dunno never really used torrents
[22:57] <hexa> i am currently using alpha6
[22:57] <hexa> have been since alpha1
[22:58] <webbb82> is there a advantage to torrents
[22:58] <hexa> and it works somehow
[22:58] <hexa> pulseaudio is broken atm though
[22:58] <xmnt> i would rather use a torrent ... get like 1.5M/s down when i do ... right now i'm downloading it and getting ~400M/s
[22:58] <GobiTheGoblin> hexa: how it is working? what platform?
[22:58] <webbb82> me tooo im going to log off irc maybe itll speed ujp
[22:59] <xmnt> irc should matter ... not much bandwidth being consumed there
[22:59] <roffe> Michalxo, Ok, I guess I'll make another partition to try it out.
[22:59] <xmnt> corr.. irc shouldn't matter
[22:59] <hexa> x86_64
[22:59] <GobiTheGoblin> hexa: nvidia?
[22:59] <hexa> 8800gt
[22:59] <GobiTheGoblin> hexa: ty, ill have to try it too =)
[23:01] <hexa> uhm
[23:01] <hexa> you shouldnt, really
[23:01] <GobiTheGoblin> I would love some technique that would integrate torrent with updates
[23:01] <hexa> agreed
[23:01] <GobiTheGoblin> hexa: how so?
[23:01] <hexa> there are some annoying bugs
[23:01] <td123> google torrent to see advantages
[23:02] <hexa> sound not working
[23:02] <xmnt> w/ updates ... don't see the point, maybe it would go a little faster, but torrent takes a bit to get ramped up
[23:02] <hexa> pulseaudio spikes cpu
[23:02] <hexa> nautilus freezes
[23:02] <hexa> yeah well
[23:02] <GobiTheGoblin> hexa: are they still crushing last minute bugs?
[23:02] <hexa> uhm
[23:02] <hexa> this is alpha6
[23:03] <hexa> not rc-ish at all
[23:03] <BUGabundo> hexa: still an alpha
[23:03] <BUGabundo> an remember, after Feature Freeze this is *always* like that
[23:03] <GobiTheGoblin> hexa: I do know that =) I meant like that nvidia bug like bugs?
[23:03] <hexa> havent seen any nvidia related bugs
[23:04] <GobiTheGoblin> hexa: Like, is it working better than alpha 5
[23:04] <hexa> not really
[23:04] <hexa> I mean in every alpha stages different things are fixed and other get broke
[23:04] <hexa> it is not like you could say it works better
[23:05] <hexa> as with alpha6 sound disappeared for a lot of people
[23:05] <hexa> see bug #394500 for example
[23:05] <hexa> it is minor, but still annoying :P
[23:05] <saji> hi... Why is karmic changing to Empathy?
[23:06] <BUGabundo> saji: already did MANY months ago
[23:06] <saji> My questions is why?
[23:06] <crimsun> hexa: it's also minor because there's a known reason for _other_ processes breaking the functionality of PA
[23:06] <hexa> saji because it integrates more nicely into the GNOME desktop
[23:07] <xmnt> saji, why does it matter ... don't like it install pidgin
[23:07] <GobiTheGoblin> well I go for it anyway, if it wont work, ill have another tour of learning waiting for me
[23:07] <hexa> crimsun: I do understand that completely, though this is a point I would not recommend people to upgrade to alpha6 to try out things
[23:07] <saji> Well . i'm asking this because i heard that you're doing it due to Video and voice support.
[23:08] <hexa> many people will stick to pidgin
[23:08] <hexa> pidgin is still a great instant messanger
[23:08] <hexa> which supports otr, which empathy doesnt btw :)
[23:09] <saji> And Empathy, doesn't show new chat lines as popup, near the status bar. Then how come you say it integrates better in GNOMe.
[23:09] <DopeGhoti> saji: video/voice/that in Empathy (and Empathy being a part of GNOME) is part of it, from what I understand; lack of inclusive development of pidgin is another.
[23:09] <xmnt> saji, it will take a while before empathy has the support pidgin does now, but they're aiming for a better long term solution that pidgin can provide
[23:09] <hexa> saji check the roadmap dude :)
[23:09] <DopeGhoti> one of the benefits of emapthy is the telepathy back-end
[23:09] <crimsun> hexa: well, that would defeat the purpose of rolling an alpha...
[23:09] <saji> But Pidgin, new version supports  video and sound. I'm using it now..:)
[23:10] <hexa> crimsun it is not like most people would do bug reports anyway
[23:10] <hexa> so why bother
[23:10] <saji> And Pidgin, supports lot more protocols, isn't it?
[23:10] <hexa> they're just checking out what is actually new
[23:11] <hexa> saji there is nothing better for empathy than a lot of beta tester :P
[23:11] <crimsun> hexa: not to belabour the point, but there are quite a few new filed bug reports
[23:11] <NoelJB> saji, the main reason is, AIUI, beause empathy also provides a programming framework.
[23:11] <hexa> crimsun I just believe that people who are asking how things work out are not quite aware of their decision to upgrade
[23:11] <saji> AIUI, means Artificial Intelligence?
[23:12] <NoelJB> As I Understand It
[23:12] <saji> Empathy, doesn't show new chat lines as popup, near the status bar. Then how come you say it integrates better in GNOMe?
[23:12] <hexa> saji it is a work in progress, it is still quite young
[23:12] <xmnt> haha, an AI chat client ... sweet ... will it work for me?
[23:12] <xmnt> will it be my friend?
[23:12] <hexa> saji there have been hell of a lot of discussions as to why the change to empathy was made
[23:13] <saji> NoelJB, can you tell AIUI What's it actually. In an understandable way..
[23:13] <hexa> e.g. google "why choose empathy over pidgin"
[23:13] <Michalxo> saji, just sudo apt-get install pidgin :)
[23:13] <hexa> agreed
[23:13] <Michalxo> I am using gajim and I am fine :P
[23:13] <saji> Well i'm not talking for myself only..:) Michlxo
[23:14] <saji>  Well i'm not talking for myself only..:) Michlaxo
[23:14] <Michalxo> saji, that does not apply only to you :D
[23:14] <hexa> as I said, I'll stick to pidgin a little while longer, as I don't see the benefits in empathy atm, it feels more like some public beta.
[23:14] <NoelJB> saji, I did!  AIUI == As I Understand It
[23:14] <Michalxo> default empathy != losing availability of using something else (piding)
[23:14] <saji> What's this As I understand it?
[23:14] <Michalxo> personal opinion
[23:14] <hexa> saji it is an abbreviation?
[23:15] <saji> hexa.. I understood that its an abbreviation.. :P
[23:16] <saji> So you guys are gonna axe the well working Pidgin for a public Beta of Empathy.... That's pretty good..:)
[23:16] <Michalxo> saji, I don't like empathy too...
[23:16] <Michalxo> but it can be really powerful in future :) read discussion on google, ayatana etc.. ;)
[23:17] <hexa> ayatana is not related to empathy imo
[23:17] <DopeGhoti> As soon as ANY chat program in Linux supports google video chat, I will convert :p
[23:17] <saji> Well, why can't it be integrated after it becomes powerful...:)
[23:17] <hexa> aytana covers notify-osd and message-indicator
[23:17] <hexa> DopeGhoti empathy already supports xmpp and msn videochat
[23:18] <hexa> they are progressing rather rapidly
[23:18] <saji> !aiui
[23:18] <hexa> 2009-09-17 22:18:21 (5,05 MB/s) - `karmic-desktop-i386.iso' saved [727306240/727306240]
[23:18] <NoelJB> OK, this is whacky ... why are the DVD images available with jigdo but NOT bittorrent?  http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/dvd/current
[23:19] <DopeGhoti> hexa: Yes, but my contacta are on Google Talk, so MSN chat isn't interesting to me.
[23:19] <hexa> DopeGhoti but XMPP is
[23:19] <Michalxo> saji, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=AIUI :)
[23:19] <hexa> as Google Talk is based on the XMPP Protocol
[23:19] <hexa> also known as Jabber
[23:19] <DopeGhoti> hexa: yes, but, as I said, I'd like to use Google *Video* Chat in Linux.
[23:19] <DopeGhoti> I know that text works fine
[23:19] <saji> Michalxo, thanks for that..
[23:19] <DopeGhoti> I've been using it for ages :)
[23:19] <hexa> DopeGhoti did you try empathy for that matter?
[23:20] <DopeGhoti> I did, in fact.
[23:20] <saji> Dopeghothi, now Pidgin supports that...
[23:20] <QPrime> Alpha6 is out... lets see what breakage has been carried forward ;)
[23:20] <Michalxo> btw, why do you all need video chat? :)
[23:20] <saji> in Google....
[23:20] <DopeGhoti> saji: Pidgin supports video? Please, enlighten me.
[23:20] <hexa> Michalxo it is this kind of must-have-feature for the younger generation :)
[23:20] <hexa> they won't change unless they are able to do this rather easily
[23:20] <Michalxo> hexa, I am young too! :D
[23:21] <hexa> oh boy
[23:21] <NoelJB> Michalxo, questions like that are why traditional phone companies are less and less relevant in the modern world.
[23:21] <Michalxo> hey! I want taht video chat too! gimme extra lollipop too :P
[23:21] <hexa> don't tell me you don't know about all that jailbait videos out there?
[23:21] <saji> Yep... Dopeghothi. the new version supports video..
[23:21] <Michalxo> NoelJB, well.. agree... socializing is "in big step" nowadays..
[23:21] <DopeGhoti> saji: does it interoperate with Google Video Chat?
[23:21] <DopeGhoti> (sorry if I'm getting offtopic)
[23:22] <hexa> DopeGhoti: http://lifehacker.com/5340632/pidgin-26-adds-google-talk-video-and-voice-support
[23:22] <saji> Dopegoti, it does..
[23:22] <hexa> answered :P
[23:22] <hexa> though it could do much nicer
[23:22] <hexa> see http://www.foresightlinux.se/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Sk%C3%A4rmbild-Ronja-Forsman.png
[23:22] <hexa> this is what the dialoge currently looks like
[23:22] <hexa> it should however go to something skype 4.0 like
[23:23] <saji> Dopeghoti, from Pidgin's homepage- "2.6.1 adds XMPP Voice and Video support (but not on Windows yet) "
[23:23] <hexa> http://news.cnet.com/i/bto/20080617/Skype4beta_videochat_540x404.bmp
[23:23] <hexa> integrate the own image into the larger foreign persons image
[23:23] <hexa> if that'd happen this stuff could be really amazing
[23:23] <roffe> what the hell, upgrading from 9.04 to alpha 6 takes 50 minutes :/
[23:23]  * NoelJB is amused that for some downloads ubuntu only offers direct & jigdo, but there is no default jigdo support in ubuntu.
[23:24] <hexa> NoelJB I wonder why they offer dvds at all
[23:24] <hexa> for alpha releases
[23:24] <hexa> everything works quite nicely off the cdrom
[23:24] <NoelJB> hexa, well *I* like 'em, but I can't comment on canonical's reasons.
[23:25] <hexa> NoelJB i personally dislike cd/dvd as apt sources, cause they are rather slow and never up2date
[23:25] <BUGabundo> hexa: some one has to test DVDs too
[23:25] <saji> Guys, Bye... But Empathy addition may turn out to be a bad idea... All the best... for you Empathy Beta testing.. :P
[23:26] <hexa> saji it won't :P
[23:26] <DopeGhoti> hexa: saji Thanks for the links :)
[23:26] <Trewas> jigdo does not require any effort or space from mirrors, so it's "free" to offer it
[23:26] <hexa> my pleasure :)
[23:26] <saji> Dopeghoti, You're welcome... So what;s your say now.. Pidgin/Empathy?
[23:27] <saji> hexa, what won't?
[23:27] <hexa> turn out to be a bad idea of course
[23:28] <DopeGhoti> I still like the idea of the telepathy library, with the user's choice of interchangable front-end that empathy offers.  But for my needs, if I can get libjingle video working, I'll stick with Pidgin for the time being
[23:30] <hexa> i personally am missing otr support within empathy, as i mentioned earlier
[23:30] <saji> DopeGhoti, just install version 2.6.1 Pidgin. Your google video/voice chat'll work..
[23:30] <BrairRabbi> anyone know why Karmic Koala live cd daily build, hangs in an endless loop, just as the boot music starts to play, x86 and AMD64 affected.
[23:30] <hexa> it is not like they can expect people to change without support for privacy
[23:30] <hexa> BrairRabbi boot music? :D
[23:30] <crimsun> otr is hardly the only "support for privacy"
[23:31] <saji> hey.... What's otr?
[23:31] <hexa> it is however one of the most common, in fact which does empathy support? to my knowledge none atm
[23:31] <BUGabundo> crimsun: and still everytime anyone critises empathy vs pidign they mention it :)
[23:31] <hexa> off the record messaging, encrypted chats
[23:31] <BrairRabbi> live cd is stuck in endless loop during boot at the point music starts to play
[23:31] <hexa> privacy matters more and more to people nowadays
[23:32] <saji> hexa....ok...
[23:32] <BUGabundo> BrairRabbi: did you check the MD5 of the iso, and of the burned media?
[23:32] <crimsun> BUGabundo: right, because we've never used openssl, openvpn, openssh, ... :)
[23:32] <BUGabundo> :)
[23:33] <xmnt> hexa, I would say that only applies to a small percentage of people
[23:33] <hexa> crimsun: some of us did and do, but how do you explain non-nerds to use openssl or gpg :)
[23:34] <hexa> xmnt compared to like 10 years earlier the percentage has grown immensly
[23:34] <xmnt> agreed, but it's still small
[23:34] <hexa> agreed, but it is still worth mentioning and it is still very important to many people
[23:35] <BrairRabbi> MD5 checked on both x86 and AMD64 builds it started doing this in the daily buildsw in last releases anyone else got this BUG
[23:35] <hexa> there were some pidgin user surveys, give ma sec
[23:35] <saji> hexa, shoot it... :D
[23:35] <hexa> http://pidgin.im/survey/results/survey0summary.html
[23:35] <hexa> "Encrypted IM support is... "
[23:35] <xmnt> agreed, me included ... but a majority don't consider it a priority, however it should be something that happens w/out the user having to intervene
[23:36] <hexa> hey, agreed again
[23:36] <xmnt> agreed
[23:36] <hexa> I do like mumble for example
[23:36] <xmnt> so i guess we're in agreement?
[23:36] <hexa> we sure are
[23:36] <hexa> mumble uses tls automatically, no way to turn it off :)
[23:37] <saji> hexa, what's mumble?
[23:37] <BrairRabbi> anyone know why Karmic Koala live cd daily build, hangs in an endless loop,, x86 and AMD64 affected.
[23:37] <hexa> saji open source teamspeak :P
[23:37] <hexa> BrairRabbi you are repeating yourself
[23:37] <hexa> BrairRabbi have you verified the cds md5 hash?
[23:37] <hexa> xmnt the issue with encryption is that networks like icq or msn would never implement such a feature
[23:37] <saji> haxa, i didn't get that. :)
[23:38] <hexa> http://mumble.sourceforge.net/
[23:38] <saji> hexa, thanks...
[23:38] <hexa> your welcome
[23:38] <TerminX> I have a question about upstart... I haven't rebooted my karmic install in 186 days but I do daily upgrades (it's a daily usage desktop/workstation), obviously now it wants to replace sysvinit with itself but I just want to make sure I'm not going to have any problems since I don't plan on rebooting any time soon :p
[23:39] <BUGabundo> BrairRabbi: did you check the MD5 of the iso, and of the burned media?
[23:39] <BUGabundo> hexa: doesn't seem like he wants to reply. just ask :(
[23:39] <hexa> TerminX well replacing system components in a bleeding-edge-version always brings inconsistencys with it, I wonder how your system did hold up that long anyway
[23:39] <xmnt> hexa, your right, it increases app overhead and is too controversial in certain areas of the world
[23:39] <hexa> BUGabundo yep
[23:40] <BrairRabbi> Does anyone else have this BUG using the test Builds I cant get into the OS one Machine is Toshiba laptop the other is a ASUS M2N32 DELUX MB
[23:40] <hexa> xmnt nah, it is all for economic reasons
[23:40] <xmnt> hexa, how so?
[23:40] <hexa> xmnt they practically "own" what you type via their network, they evaluate, they make profit out of what you type
[23:40] <TerminX> hexa: ancient hardware with very mature drivers, a decent UPS and air conditioning :p
[23:40] <BrairRabbi> MD% is perfect
[23:40] <hexa> they wouldn't be able to do so if their traffic was encrypted
[23:41] <hexa> TerminX well if it is a desktop system there should  have been issues already :P
[23:41] <BrairRabbi> MD5 is correct
[23:41] <TerminX> this installation itself is actually from 2002
[23:41] <TerminX> it was a debian install done from a knoppix livecd
[23:41] <xcdfgkjhgcv> My Karmic PCs are bootable again. :)
[23:41] <TerminX> when ubuntu came into existence I upgraded it to that
[23:41] <hexa> TerminX sweet
[23:41] <hexa> TerminX so why are you not rebooting?
[23:41] <neonflx> karmic is not mounting my cd/dvd drive automatically, it is listed on fstab and i can manually mounted by using the mount command, why is it not mounting when i insert a cd/dvd in the drive? thx
[23:41] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Samba and RDP aren't working for me ATM. :(
[23:42] <TerminX> well, I haven't changed any hardware or anything
[23:42] <hexa> neonflx: retry please
[23:42] <hexa> TerminX yeah but for stability reasons?
[23:42] <BUGabundo> BrairRabbi: try disabling ACPI
[23:42] <TerminX> if my system runs fine with half a year uptime, how would rebooting make it more stable? :p
[23:43] <TerminX> my luck some updated boot script would just screw me
[23:43] <neonflx> hexa: retry? like eject/unmount the cd and insert the cd in the drive again?
[23:43] <hexa> neonflx yeah
[23:43] <saji> where can i ask what's ACPI and APIC?
[23:43] <hexa> neonflx could've been a glitch
[23:43] <BUGabundo> saji: GOOGEl
[23:44] <TerminX> I do need to build a new kernel sometime soonish though, or at least I probably should
[23:44] <hexa> saji acpi basically handles the power management
[23:44] <hexa> yeah prolly :P
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[23:44] <neonflx> no it happens every time, does not matter what media i use the only way i can mount my drive is manually, it is listed on fstab, let me check what dmesg says
[23:44] <BrairRabbi> Ive tried BOOT: live ACPI=off  its something new in last ferw builds dont work
[23:45] <hexa> neonflx well i believe hal was managing the automount feature
[23:45] <GobiTheGoblin> well that update didn't start so well :P Crashed in middle of installation :P
[23:45] <saji> hexa, why does some installation need to keep it off.. i.e, ACPI=OFF?
[23:45] <TerminX> I knew some people way back when who had their uptime actually rollover
[23:45] <BUGabundo> BrairRabbi: does the alternate cd boot/install?
[23:45] <hexa> neonflx they migrated that particular feature to DeviceKit-disk, so it could be broken
[23:45] <hexa> saji crappy acpi support
[23:45] <hexa> saji on hardware side
[23:45] <BUGabundo> saji: bad BIOS with poor power or HW support
[23:46] <AirBender> or old
[23:46]  * TerminX knows all about crappy ACPI support
[23:46] <saji> oh..ok thanks hexa and BUGabundo..
[23:46] <hexa> hehe
[23:46] <TerminX> I have a VIA KT133a chipset board
[23:46] <TerminX> it uses frickin SDRAM
[23:46] <GobiTheGoblin> VIA KT133a, oh those memories :P
[23:46] <xcdfgkjhgcv> TerminX: I'd rather apply kernel updates.
[23:46] <neonflx> hexa: umm yep it seems to be, i can manually mount it so i can get by right now, i was testing on my spare laptop, i will wait before start using it in my main laptop
[23:46] <BrairRabbi> never had the live cd get stuck like this before ,Im wondering  if its happened to anyone else that dowloaded the daily Builds
[23:46] <hexa> who actually does use hardware that is more than 10 years old :)
[23:46] <GobiTheGoblin> amd k6?
[23:47] <hexa> BrairRabbi you are not listening to any advices BUGabundo gives you.
[23:47] <TerminX> GobiTheGoblin: k7
[23:47] <hexa> TerminX you know ksplice?
[23:47] <hexa> http://www.ksplice.com/
[23:47] <GobiTheGoblin> TerminX, Speedy, isn't :D
[23:48] <xcdfgkjhgcv> hexa: It's too buggy.
[23:48] <TerminX> interesting
[23:49] <BrairRabbi> I have only downloaded the live cd to test not to install
[23:49] <TerminX> xcdfgkjhgcv: I keep important stuff (outward facing servers) appropriately updated
[23:49] <TerminX> unfortunately with the more fast paced kernel development going on now a lot of breakage on older hardware like mine gets overlooked
[23:49] <TerminX> so it's a gamble sometimes whether a newer kernel will even boot
[23:49] <TerminX> let alone function correctly
[23:51] <hexa> xcdfgkjhgcv good to know
[23:51] <hexa> though i do reboot every week or so
[23:51] <hexa> hah, must love my vserver
[23:51] <hexa> seeded 12gb of the alpha6 torrents already
[23:52] <webbb82> ok i installed alpha6 and my broadcom wifi doesnt work, in hardware driver nothing comes up please help
[23:52] <hexa> I wonder when my host will contact me about that "free traffic" feature
[23:52] <webbb82> it worked in alpha 5
[23:52] <hexa> hehe
[23:52] <hexa> doesnt't work is not an actual error message, is it?
[23:52] <TerminX> GobiTheGoblin: it's not TOO bad for web browsing and IRC/IM/ssh crap, which is mostly what it gets used for... board is pin modded to run the CPU at a multiplier the chipset isn't even supposed to support, BIOS is modded with ROMSIP tables correctly identifying newer socket A processors than the board was meant for and the FSB is jacked up
[23:52] <hexa> check if the proper module is loaded
[23:53] <webbb82> ok the bcm4312 isnt found by the ubuntu desktop software
[23:53] <hexa> webbb82 use the bash
[23:53] <webbb82> hexa, ???
[23:54] <hexa> terminal?
[23:54] <webbb82> i have no idea how to install a wifi driver threw the terminal
[23:54] <hexa> webbb82 lsmod | grep bcm
[23:55] <webbb82> hexa, ok what now
[23:55] <GobiTheGoblin> TerminX: wow. You have pimped it up hard :D
[23:55] <BrairRabbi> BUGabundo  I have only tested Daily LiveCD x86 and AMD64, they dont work on my machines, this is a new BUG   can someone try todays livecd amnd see if it works for them
[23:56] <GobiTheGoblin> TerminX: How about some lightweight distros? Like Xfc variants etc? Too heavy?
[23:56] <webbb82> lsmod | grep bcm didnt do anything
[23:56] <TerminX> eh?  I run GNOME with compiz fusion
[23:58] <TerminX> it has a 6800 GT (I'll save the list of BIOS and hardware mods with this one :p) in it
[23:58] <TerminX> gig and a half of ram
[23:58] <TerminX> it's enough for most stuff
[23:59] <TerminX> I'm not trying to watch streaming HD on youtube or play brand new games or anything
[23:59] <GobiTheGoblin> TerminX: oh. But web browsing is still bad?
[23:59] <TerminX> nope
[23:59] <TerminX> did I imply it was?
[23:59] <GobiTheGoblin> TerminX: Or did I get something wrong..
[23:59] <TerminX> if I did, my bad :)
[23:59] <GobiTheGoblin> TerminX: My bad.. you said, it is not...
[23:59] <TerminX> web browsing is fast as hell