[09:15] <kwwii> good morning
[09:22] <knome> morning
[09:27] <mac_v> kwwii: hi... what new with the NM icons? any naming change?
[09:27] <mac_v> whats*
[09:31] <kwwii> mac_v: erm, you mean the ones in the panel?
[09:32] <mac_v> kwwii: i think so , yeah , wasnt that the one you were discussing with asac? i had asked him a few days ago and he had said NM will be using fewer icons
[09:33] <mac_v> no idle , send-receive , transmit
[09:38] <kwwii> mac_v: right, I just sent him a lock and a bubble like icon for the menu of nm
[09:38] <kwwii> currently nm is totally messed up on my machine
[09:39] <mac_v> hmm... ok , then i'll wait for the Human theme update ;)
[09:40] <kwwii> yeah
[09:40] <kwwii> last night I also fixed the naming on the xdg user dir icons
[09:40] <kwwii> so there will be an update soon
[09:41] <mac_v> kwwii: where is the xdg name guidelines page? not the lp bug , but any other gnome site?
[09:43] <mac_v>  but *is there* any
[10:08] <kwwii> mac_v: yes, at freedesktop.org
[10:09]  * kwwii co-maintains the naming spec
[10:09] <mac_v> ;)
[10:09]  * mac_v somehow cant find it :(
[10:22] <kwwii> sorry, I was in a meeting, let me find a link
[10:23] <kwwii> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/icon-naming-spec
[10:29] <mac_v> awesome , thankx , i'v been looking for that for so long :)
[10:30] <kwwii> ask and ye shall recieve ;)
[12:19] <thorwil> this fits the spirit of ubuntu really well! :)  http://www.flickr.com/photos/arghmonkey/2284421781/in/pool-1188458@N24
[12:25] <kwwii> thorwil: man, you don't know how much I like that pic
[12:25] <thorwil> kwwii: i like it too, still see a dissonance
[12:26] <thorwil> kwwii: flickr search is too dumb for searching for license. but you can search for tags. hence ...
[12:29] <thorwil> there gotta be a way to add your own tags?
[12:33] <thorwil> only on pictures from "friends". stupid flickr is stupid
[12:44] <thorwil> haha, there is an advanced search that also takes CC licensing into account, but you can't limit that one to a group's pool
[12:54] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, flickr is not the optimal way of doing this but it was there and people know about it
[12:55] <thorwil> kwwii: it's just frustrating how close it comes to then fail on the last tiny steps. what messed up thinking to have _either_ advanced search _or_ search in a pool
[13:01] <thorwil> kwwii: there are 35 images with a CC license that permist commercial use, according to a search in my favorites (now identical to the pool ...)
[13:24] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, I even sent them an email asking for features...naturally they said "thanks, we'll add that to the list"
[13:24] <kwwii> I might need to download them all and check for myself, just to be sure
[13:25] <mac_v> mat_t: you could ask Travis for the compiz close change ;)
[13:27] <kwwii> thorwil: am I supposed to see images with that html page?
[13:34] <mat_t> mac_v: thx, where can I find him?
[13:37] <mac_v> mat_t: i think he'll be sleeping now ;p , i'll see if i can get the patch done myself , it's a simple one ,
[13:38] <mac_v> mat_t: but David's comment in the other explicitly says dont change to close... is it just to close the other bug or to not have the animation to fade i wonder
[13:38] <mac_v> other bug*
[13:40] <mat_t> mac_v: it was regarding the other bug
[13:42] <mat_t> mac_v: if you could release the fix, please do! :) Otherwise I can talk to Travis
[13:49] <mac_v> mat_t: right now , i'm having a look at it ... will inform if i get the patch ready ;)
[13:57] <mat_t> mac_v: cool!
[14:03] <kwwii> zniavre: hey, I fixed the problem with the top right corner pixel :)
[14:04] <zniavre> kwwii,  bonjour / hello
[14:04] <zniavre> could you share the fix with me ?
[14:06] <kwwii> hi, sure
[14:07] <kwwii> essentially, I removed all the variables in the width and heigth
[14:07] <kwwii> well, not really, but you will see when I send it to you :p
[14:08] <zniavre> :o)
[14:12] <thorwil> kwwii: arg, thumbnail links are local, sorry. but the loinks should work
[14:13] <kwwii> thorwil: cool, thanks...I'll check it out in a bit
[14:18] <kwwii> thorwil: erm, is that page your pics or all of the CC licensed pics?
[14:18] <kwwii> I ask because my pic is not amongst them :)
[14:19] <kwwii> I don't assign any license to my pics on flickr
[14:19] <kwwii> I guess I could send an email to myself asking if I can use it :D
[14:39] <thorwil> kwwii: all CC without NC licensed
[14:39] <thorwil> kwwii: so you are the perfect example why we should ask people about licensing
[14:41] <kwwii> right, I think I will send an email to everyone in the short-list
[14:41] <kwwii> now is when I really wish I had 3g or such
[14:42] <kwwii> going to the airport where I have no internet connection...not even in the 1st class lounge :p
[14:59] <kwwii> thorwil: funky question, but did you remove any photos from the short-list?
[15:00] <thorwil> kwwii: i wouldn't know how
[15:01] <kwwii> thorwil: ok, thanks...just trying to figure this out. I guess it was the author
[15:03] <darkham> hey people, some hope of something like that http://www.youtube.com/user/madsrosendahl#play/uploads/3/XlCVrtgxVcI in karmic stable?
[15:04] <darkham> this type of stuff, give many popularity , i don't think it would be bad...
[15:08] <kwwii> darkham: we will be having an animation but it will be a bit simpler than that
[15:08] <kwwii> darkham: the artwork should be included shortly
[15:10] <darkham> kwwii: i've some hope to watch it in daily live cds?
[15:10] <darkham> :)
[15:10] <kwwii> darkham: yeah, I am asking now as to when the artwork will be in the distro
[15:11] <kwwii> it has been done for quite a while actually
[15:11] <kwwii> I think that the final mockup is on the wiki
[15:21] <darkham> for what you artwork developers are now workink the most?
[15:23] <kwwii> lol, on everything
[15:24]  * kwwii heads out to the airport
[15:25] <darkham> great...
[15:41] <darkham> what of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot
[15:41] <darkham> are on charts?
[15:41] <darkham> :=)
[15:52] <mac_v> mat_t: added the patch :)
[15:53] <mac_v> s/added/attached*
[15:56] <mat_t> mac_v: great!
[15:56] <mat_t> mac_v: that must be one of the quickest bug fixes in history :)
[15:57] <mac_v>  ;p
[16:01] <darkham> very good ideas in the mockup pages, please team make karmic better than ever!!!
[16:01] <darkham> i salute you
[17:19] <mac_v> mat_t: mvo has committed the patch... now thats really a quick fix ;)
[17:24] <mat_t> mac_v: yeah, well done! ;)
[17:43] <mrmcq2u> kwwii - is the gdm mockup from canonical going to make it into karmic?
[17:54] <mac_v> mat_t: lololol...! even the fix is released now !  \o/
[17:55] <mac_v> mrmcq2u: kwwii is on a plane now ;)
[17:55] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[17:57] <mrmcq2u> mac_v - he sure gets the plane allot
[18:22] <mat_t> mac_v: yes I know :)
[18:23]  * mat_t didn't realise his own hidden powers
[21:12] <zniavre> nice usplash
[21:13] <zniavre> (karmic)
[21:22] <mrmcq2u> now all thats missing is the gdm theme to match :D
[21:22] <mac_v> mrmcq2u: to match what?
[21:23] <mrmcq2u> the new xsplash theme
[21:24] <mac_v> i must have missed it , let me update ;)
[21:34] <MDC1> mrmcq2u, mac_v, seems i've missed it too - but the new boot time was amazing!
[21:34] <mac_v> MDC1: grr... i got stcuk at boot!
[21:34] <mac_v> stuck
[21:36] <MDC1> well - me too but after some upgrade or install it was as new again
[21:42]  * mac_v rebooooooots
[21:44] <mrmcq2u> still have no idea whether the gdm theme will even change for karmic :(
[21:46] <zniavre> i hope soon the shock is big
[21:46] <mac_v> zniavre: shock?
[21:47] <zniavre> xspalsh > gdm
[21:47] <mac_v> hmm...
[21:47] <zniavre> xsplash*
[22:34] <kwwii> mrmcq2u: yes, it will change for karmic....I worked on it today, almost ready
[22:35] <mrmcq2u> hurray :D
[22:35] <mrmcq2u> I have been trying to figure out whether the new gdm in the canonical mockups would make it in to karmic for weeks :D
[22:36] <mrmcq2u> and just to give you my opinion kwwii - I think all of canonicals proposals with relation to art both gdm and xsplash have been A+ this release
[22:37] <kwwii> mrmcq2u: yeah, me too and I was the one who was supposed to work on the themeing
[22:37] <kwwii> we wanted to redo the interface but that will now be left for +1
[22:38] <kwwii> I have created a new metacity and gtk theme to make it look nicer
[22:39] <mrmcq2u> will the gdm look like the one on the wiki you proposed
[22:40] <kwwii> yes, as closely as possible without editing a theme engine
[22:40] <kwwii> I could probably get a screenshot out tomorrow, once I know how to make the new gdm use the theme ;)
[22:40] <mrmcq2u> Thats awesome, thanks for the info
[22:41] <kwwii> anytime :)
[22:41] <kwwii> _
[22:41] <zniavre> xnest gdmflexiserver does not work anymore for me
[22:41] <kwwii> zniavre: right, here either
[22:42] <kwwii> I do not think the new gdm works with it
[22:42] <mrmcq2u> will you be able to have the gtk theme specific to the gdm or will it need to be a new default gtk theme?
[22:43] <kwwii> it is a normal gtk and metacity theme, I just made a different one so that it looks nice
[22:47] <mrmcq2u> Is the different one going to be the new default for the desktop too or can you have gdm use a seperate gtk theme to the default one for the desktop?
[22:47] <kwwii> no, this will just be the default for gdm
[22:47] <mrmcq2u> ah cool
[22:48] <mrmcq2u> any testing ppa :D lol
[22:48] <mrmcq2u> worth a try :D
[22:48] <kwwii> no, but once I know how to set it, I will put it in my ppa
[22:48] <kwwii> actually, I will put it directly into karmic asap
[22:49] <kwwii> but because it is so late in the cycle, it will be in my ppa for at least a week before it makes it in the distro
[22:51] <mrmcq2u> lol, just added your ppa :D
[22:51] <kwwii> cool
[22:52] <kwwii> I will add a new human icon theme package tomorrow
[22:52] <kwwii> which fixes the xdg icons in the places menu
[22:52] <mrmcq2u> nice
[22:52] <kwwii> thanks be to god that I installed the alpha...I did not know it was messed up
[22:53] <zniavre> folder-download ?
[22:53] <kwwii> and music and documents
[22:53] <kwwii> they were all named incorrectly
[22:53] <kwwii> :p
[22:54] <zniavre> only folder-download were missing here
[22:54] <kwwii> no, but the other two look slightly different, eh?
[22:55] <kwwii> personally, I think we should change "download" to "downloads"
[22:55] <zniavre> in french it's Téléchargement   (without the s)
[22:56] <kwwii> right, in the end, I didn't mention it until now. it is pretty late to suggest such changes now
[22:56] <kwwii> and it is
[22:56] <kwwii> "download" in the xdg spec
[22:57] <zniavre> i already fix the name in my own icon theme
[22:57] <kwwii> ;)
[22:57] <zniavre> yes that's true
[22:57] <kwwii> although as co-maintainer of the spec I guess I could change it pretty easily
[22:57] <zniavre> it looks nice in the side panel of nautilus (bookmarks)
[22:58] <kwwii> yes, although at first I did not like the idea of using the special folders I have to admit it is a pretty good idea
[23:01] <kwwii> oh well, time for sleep...bonne nuit
[23:02] <zniavre> good night
[23:02] <zniavre> thank you
[23:03] <kwwii> glad to help