[00:01] kenvandine, ping [00:06] hi robert_ancell [00:07] how are you this morning? [00:07] rickspencer3, hi rick [00:08] good, my video system seems unhappy though, text/panels not always refreshing. Is it safe to dist-upgrade today? [00:08] robert_ancell, uh [00:08] I would not recommend a dist-upgrade [00:08] I think Friday would be a good day (Saturday for you) [00:09] SOmething tells me the alpha will be somewhat delayed. [00:19] robert_ancell, pong [00:20] kenvandine, hey, do you know much about this empathy patch? [00:20] yeah [00:20] have't looked at it since july though [00:21] so I've got it to compile and it puts an entry in the menu. [00:21] Have icons been deprecated though? [00:21] humm [00:22] in the messenging menu? [00:22] yes, there used to be a set_property_icon [00:22] i think that is a bug... but we need to check with ted [00:22] i was just looking at that in gwibber a few minutes ago [00:22] dbusmenu bug [00:23] so yes... leave set_property_icon there for now [00:23] kenvandine, ok, so I guess I'm not sure when the patch is "finished". I've fixed all the requests of upstream and it works but I don't know the requirements for the messaging menu and it doesn't have a lot of documentation [00:24] can you attach a patch to the bug and i can test? [00:24] i can run it by ted too [00:25] or add a patch to the packaging branh and push it somewhere [00:25] s/branh/branch [00:25] There is a patch in the GNOME bug but I'll build a PPA for it [00:25] if it uses packaging branches [00:25] cool [00:26] robert_ancell, thanks for helping with that! [00:28] np [00:32] cool, thx robert_ancell! [00:33] * kenvandine goes to get the kids to bed === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [01:07] anyone know if the cpu freq applet is going to be rewritten anytime soon to be useful for newer cpus? [01:08] a single cpu now can have 8 'cores' (between real and ht) and will have up to 12 by around december [01:08] setting throttling for that many cores using the current applet is painful [07:12] pitti or Riddell: could you please have a look at this merge? - https://code.launchpad.net/~rugby471/jockey/fix-386375/+merge/11247 [07:15] pitti or Riddell: it fixes bug 386375 and get's rid of some unnecessary text in the progress bar (ie. 0% ) [07:15] Launchpad bug 386375 in jockey ""Hardware Drivers" displays empty error dialog when not connected to the network" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/386375 [07:15] thanks [07:48] Good morning [07:49] good morning pitti, I have two questions [07:52] pitti: bug 429483 - it requires UI Freeze exception for a new dialog window (http://trac.transmissionbt.com/ticket/2387) and a Donate link in Help menu. [07:52] Launchpad bug 429483 in transmission "Transmission 1.75, a bugfix release, is available" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/429483 [07:53] pitti: if it's a big no no we can just patch out both of them [07:54] bratsche: pong [07:54] bratsche: ah, unpong then :) [07:54] pitti: the second question is about but 42293 - what is the right way of fixing it? or rather when should those symlinks be deleted? I'm trying to get piuparts to work without additional settings and it's one of more irritating bugs. :) [07:55] Riddell: I have the jockey merge in a tab now, will look at it after the alpha rush [07:55] bug 42293 [07:55] Launchpad bug 42293 in coreutils "coreutils.mo are dangling symlinks" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42293 [07:55] hi kklimonda [07:56] kklimonda: transmission sounds fine, replying in bug [07:58] kklimonda: followed up in 429483 [08:19] kklimonda: right, I take this on my list now [08:29] hi [08:30] hello there [08:30] ;) [08:30] is keybuk spree over ;)? [08:31] * asac needs to check what was done to poor networkmanager ;) [08:32] kklimonda: I assigned the coreutils bug to me, should be relatively easy to fix [08:45] pitti: won't there still be dangling symlinks after you point them to locale-langpack? Or are you going to distribute LC_TIME/coreutils.mo in langpacks too? [08:48] good morning everyone [08:49] good morning :) [08:51] kklimonda: they are the same files [08:51] kklimonda: of course they will be dangling for the langpacks you don't have installed [08:51] hey chrisccoulson [08:52] hey pitti [08:53] pitti: so ignore pattern should be added to piuparts for those files anyway? fine by me [08:58] kklimonda: ah, perhaps; we could also change the package to not get stripped and not have the translations in the langpacks at all [08:59] not sure how important it is to be able to translate coreutils in LP [09:02] so how can i best figure if a system has upstart or not (upstream fashion)? [09:02] hmm. guess need to wait for keybuk [09:06] hey pitti [09:07] can you look at sponsoring the empathy changes in bug 340180 and bug 409828? [09:07] Launchpad bug 340180 in indicator-messages "Please provide indicator-applet support in empathy" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/340180 [09:07] Launchpad bug 409828 in empathy "Empathy shows wrong icon for notifications" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409828 [09:07] hey robert_ancell [09:07] robert_ancell: not right now, we are in a6 freeze [09:07] ah, ok [09:07] robert_ancell: can you please just sub sponsors? I'll do a major sponsoring round tomorrow [09:08] sub? [09:08] subscribe [09:08] np, I was just asking as kenvandine was going to try the changes and this would save doing the PPA [09:09] hey pitti - we need a FF exception for the DK-disks update after a6 don't we? [09:10] chrisccoulson: borderline, I think; it's code cleanup mainly, or is there really a new feature? [09:10] pitti - i haven't looked at it in much detail, but it seems the smart code got reworked a fair bit to make it more useful [09:10] and the API is more simple too [09:11] i was going to say it might be best to do dk-disks and g-d-u under the same freez exception request, as both updates depend on each other [09:11] *nod* [09:12] hey robert_ancell [09:12] robert_ancell, how are you? [09:12] seb128, hey, good === asac_ is now known as asac [09:16] pitti, hey [09:17] pitti, I'm wondering if your devicekit-disks change doesn't break things [09:17] hi seb128, good morning [09:17] pitti, we started receiving bugs since yesterday from users saying that gvfs doesn't list their cds and dvds disks anymore [09:17] I'm wondering if gvfs picks the new devicekit-disks dynamically [09:18] hm, it should be d-bus activated [09:18] seb128: can you dupe them and assign to me? [09:18] it wouldn't be right to never permit a daemon restart [09:18] phone, bbl [09:18] pitti, ok [09:19] whats the best way to restart dbus services? [09:19] i use killall but that can't be the right approach ;) [09:21] asac_: I do the same, for d-bus activated services [09:22] I'm not aware of a more official method [09:22] hmm [09:22] ok [09:22] seb128: gvfs-mount -l; sudo killall devkit-disks-daemon; gvfs-mount -l works here, hmm [09:22] seb128: didn't try with a CD yet, though [09:23] pitti, sorry for the email spam I had some timeout issues on launchpad and did the changes several times [09:23] seb128: but it also kills the polling subprocess, so I guess it's related to that [09:23] kwwii: is there any further input you need on the NM icons? [09:23] seb128: np [09:23] pitti, could be yes [09:23] kwwii: hi ;) [09:25] asac_: hey, just sent you the png and svg files [09:25] rock! [09:25] including an orange one [09:25] nautilus seems to be broken with last update, is it just me or known? [09:25] fantastic. now i have to integrate all this ;) [09:25] asac_: just let me know if there are any problems or you need anything else [09:26] asac_: note that I will be on a plane back home this afternoon [09:26] * rodrigo_ upgrades some more packages [09:27] rodrigo_, how broken? what update? there was no recent change [09:27] seb128: it doesn't start, gives some dbus errors, and ends [09:27] kwwii: hmm ... i have problems accessing my mail server ... can you bounce the mail to asacasa@gmail.com too? [09:27] seb128: will file a bug if you don't know about it [09:28] kwwii: (in case it doesnt come back up until i get to this) [09:28] asac_: nice palindrome for a mail id ;) [09:28] its googles fault ... they said that 4 letters are not long enough :/ [09:28] yeah. but i somehow like it ;) ... if it wasn't that long ;) [09:29] seb128: http://pastebin.ca/1569421 [09:29] rodrigo_, is dbus running? [09:29] urg [09:30] seb128: yes, seems so [09:30] rodrigo_, dpkg -l | grep gvfs-backends [09:30] seb128: oh, no gvfs-backends package [09:30] pitti, some of the guest session changes made notification-daemon be used there [09:30] I guess that's it [09:30] * rodrigo_ installs [09:30] rodrigo_, that's it yes [09:30] how did you manage to remove it? [09:31] pitti, oh, it's because the .service checks for GDMSESSION being gnome or default [09:31] I didn't do it myself, so either it was not installed, or was removed with the dist-upgrade [09:31] not guest-restricted [09:31] seb128: ah, that would be it [09:31] good catch [09:31] rodrigo_, grep gvfs-backends /var/log/dpkg.log [09:31] seb128: nothing there [09:31] pitti, should I just add guest-restricted to the notify-osd .service? [09:32] seb128: either that, or just invert the test and check for stracciatella perhaps? [09:32] rodrigo_, grep gvfs-backends /var/log/dpkg.log* [09:32] seb128: I'm not sure what Xubuntu etc. want [09:32] seb128: is this a new package, or has it been around for long? [09:32] pitti, ok [09:32] seb128: right, nothing in /var/log/dpkg.log* [09:32] rodrigo_, it's there since gvfs is in ubuntu, ie hardy [09:32] hmm [09:33] rodrigo_, dpkg -l | grep gvfs? [09:33] seb128: I just installed it, so now it's there: [09:33] ii gvfs 1.3.6-0ubuntu1 userspace virtual filesystem - server [09:33] ii gvfs-backends 1.3.6-0ubuntu1 userspace virtual filesystem - backends [09:33] ii gvfs-bin 1.3.6-0ubuntu1 userspace virtual filesystem - binaries [09:33] ii gvfs-fuse 1.3.6-0ubuntu1 userspace virtual filesystem - fuse server [09:33] ii libgvfscommon0 1.3.6-0ubuntu1 userspace virtual filesystem - library [09:33] ok [09:33] weird [09:34] ok, now it starts [09:34] if nautilus worked before it was installed [09:34] it's weird that you don't have it in the dpkg.log though [09:35] yeah [09:50] hrm, wish we could block people from filing bug reports if they're using SKIP_CHECKS to override the compiz blacklist [09:51] s/bug reports/apport crash reports/ [10:07] seb128 - do you think we should split services-admin from g-s-t and remove it from the CD now? it's pretty useless in the upstart world now isn't it? [10:10] chrisccoulson: +1 [10:10] chrisccoulson: it's useless and error prone enough with the old init scripts [10:12] pitti - cool, i'll do that then (and possibly the g-s-t update too) [10:12] pitti - do you have any opinion about polkit-gnome-authorizations too? that doesn't manage the new polkit-1 policies, so that could probably go as well couldn't it? [10:13] * chrisccoulson puts on cruft-busting gloves [10:19] bin it! [10:20] cool:) [10:20] i'll try and work on that as well then! [10:20] only thing it manages now is packagekit, hal, screenresolution-extra and checkbox [10:20] so there's no need for it to be in the default install I don't think [10:21] (on my system that is) [10:21] james_w - yeah, i agree. i don't think many users will find a need for editing those policies [10:21] though it seems like we should be able to get people to port the last two [10:22] james_w - possibly. i don't think screenresolution-extra would be difficult to port [10:30] chrisccoulson: what should screenresolution-extra do? What changes are you suggesting? [10:31] hi tseliot [10:31] tseliot - it is still using the old policykit isn't it? [10:31] james_w: hi James [10:32] chrisccoulson: I guess so. I wasn't aware of the changes in policykit [10:33] * tseliot hasn't touched policykit code for a few months now [10:33] tseliot - yeah, a lot of stuff moved to the new polkit-1 API. it's not a big issue, because both versions are on the CD [10:33] and there are some things (like HAL) which will never be ported [10:34] chrisccoulson: are there any examples of the new API in python I can look at? [10:34] tseliot - not sure about python examples. [10:34] actually, apport would be a good example [10:35] ok, I'll have a look at apport then. Thanks [10:37] re [10:37] tseliot - it's not particularly important this cycle, as the old polkit has to stay around for HAL anyway [10:37] hi seb128 [10:37] another half an hour wasted waiting for my computer to boot, karmic is no fun this week [10:38] hey chrisccoulson [10:38] chrisccoulson: ah, ok, so would it be something I can port to, say, Karmic+1? [10:39] tseliot - it would probably be best to do in karmic+1 now, given the stage we are at in karmic now [10:40] chrisccoulson: this is good news as I'm very busy with X stuff right now :-) [10:40] tseliot - FYI, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/PolicyKitOneMigration gives a summary of work still outstanding for the migration [10:41] chrisccoulson: excellent, thanks [10:47] seb128 - are you having issues booting too? [10:47] it's rather than I get nothing on screen and fsck running every second boot now [10:47] so I just have to sit there and wait 15 minutes for it to be done when it happens [10:48] and I can't see why it runs fsck since there is nothing display on screen [10:48] seb128: have you tried to switch your clock to UTC? [10:48] asac, no [10:49] I don't like to workaround bugs because otherwise we forget about those and they don't get fixed for our users [10:49] * Laney seems to be tickling lots of boot bugs [10:49] actually i think the problem is not unclean shutdown [10:49] it happened for me after two days off [10:49] found an unrelated util-linux/udev one yesterday [10:49] but the superblock timestamp was still exactly 2h ahead [10:49] reinstalled and found a mountall one too :) [10:49] asac, the fsck due to timezone offset? [10:49] yes [10:49] is that fixed? [10:50] * asac doesnt reboot anymore [10:50] asac, right, Keybuk tracked that to a fs issue [10:50] no [10:50] seb128: bug id? [10:50] ask scott when he's around [10:50] k [10:50] i hope its on release team radar ;) [10:51] he said that e2fsck and dumpe2fs disagree on the timestamp set [10:54] ok sounds like there is an idea at least [10:55] seb128, Amaranth: I think I've just found out why compiz didn't work any more with my nvidia card. Something messed up my settings for the opacity plugin: http://albertomilone.com/ubuntu/karmic/screenshots/compiz-problem.png [10:59] are there any issues with devicekit-power wedging? I was poking at a failure to suspend last night and I realised that g-p-m was unresponsive and I think it was blocked talking to devkit-power, which also seemed to be blocked on something [11:05] pitti, interesting change in gdm git: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=565151 [11:05] Gnome bug 565151 in general "Thrashing autofs home directory mounts" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [11:06] pitti, they store configs in /var/cache/gdm now [11:06] pitti, that fixes the "user dir is not accessible to read config" [11:23] seb128: oh, nice! [11:23] rad [11:24] sorry for being absent for so long, it took me half an hour to get my machine booting again [11:24] it's completely wedged [11:24] pitti, join the club [11:24] I'll just reisntall my laptop now [11:24] another half an hour wasted waiting for my computer to boot, karmic is no fun this week [11:24] for me it hangs forever on "starting sad crypto disks..." [11:25] it seems to run fsck every second boot there [11:25] but I've nothing on screen so I just wait 15 minutes and get my desktop eventually [11:27] right, now it disables my screen again as well [11:28] seb128: argh, indeed, no CD-ROMs any more [11:28] but that's not due to yesterday's devkit change [11:28] it just changes the postinst [11:28] and this is a clean boot [11:28] hum ok [11:28] linux bug? [11:29] need to investigate later [11:29] first I need a working machine again [11:29] gvfs didn't change recently [11:29] I see the CD in devkit-disks --dump [11:29] but not in gvfs-mount -li [11:31] gvfs didn't change for over a week now [11:32] so it's weird [11:32] restart, brb [11:55] I'm off for reinstalling, bbl [12:10] hm, seems seb128's reboot didn't go so well === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:15] re [12:16] ok, laptop seems to boot and work ok again now [12:16] why isn't it possible to disable touchpad from mouse settings anymore? [12:16] why do you need to do that? [12:17] kklimonda - it isn't possible because that's how upstream implemented it ;) [12:18] wb seb128 [12:18] seb128: I have both touchpad and trackpoint and I never use touchpad but from time to time I accidentally touch it and move my mouse. Not too often or I would dig deeper but often enough to notice that I can't disable it anymore ;) [12:18] seb128: welcome back [12:18] seb128: what did you change? [12:18] seb128: I just commented on the gvfs cd bug, I think I know what's going on [12:19] pitti: nothing, new set of updates and clean boot seemed to be enough there [12:19] (don't have it at hand, I'm on my wife's computer while mine is reinstalling) [12:19] seb128: most likely it's due to the gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor crash [12:19] I just read your comment [12:19] the monitor that's for the CD drive [12:19] "the crash" [12:19] like there was only one ;-) [12:20] well, that one has a gazillion dupes :) [12:20] urg, that many duplicates? why the heck didn't I get email about those [12:20] and most importantly, of course, it's the one that I get, too :-P [12:22] pitti_reinstalli, any clue of what is going on or should I ping davidz or alex about it? [12:22] seb128: haven't looked at it at all yet, TBH [12:22] after this alpha6 mess, I need to close IRC for a day to do a catch-up/debugging session or so [12:23] not tomorrow, since there's release team meeting and some other catch-up/sponsoring to do, but perhaps next Monday and Tuesday half day each [12:23] pitti_reinstalli, ok, I will try pinging upstream guys, GNOME 2.28 is on monday [12:23] pitti_reinstalli, I will handle sponsoring, I'm not that busy today and tomorrow [12:24] I just wait for the freeze to be over [12:24] do you know if the freeze is likely to end today? [12:24] i did some nice easy updates last night for you to sponsor:) [12:25] yeah I noticed, thanks! [12:26] so, no-one has looked at the GDU crasher yet? (the one with gazillion dupes). I don't mind taking a look - I could do with something to take my mind off work! [12:27] brb, lunch# [12:31] seb128: I hope we can get a6 out today [12:34] pitti_reinstalli, ok good [12:34] didrocks, hello [12:34] hey seb128 :) [12:34] didrocks, how are you? [12:34] didrocks, do you want to do the mutter update when you have a slot for an update? [12:35] seb128: fine, still busy all this week, but fine :) [12:35] seb128: it's already on my week-end schedule [12:35] excellent, thanks! [12:35] good luck for your busy week ;-) [12:35] seb128: thanks a lot :-) [12:37] seb128: also, if somebody can work review the MIR when alpha is out: bug #428793 it would be great. [12:37] Launchpad bug 428793 in goocanvas "MIR for goocanvas" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/428793 [12:37] one thing less to think about :) [12:37] oh promoted :) [12:37] it's fix released? [12:37] yes, this night [12:38] next time, I'll check :-) [12:38] ;-) [12:38] pitti_reinstalli: do you have a ~/.xsession-errors from the gvfs crash? [12:38] (thanks pitti_reinstalli) [12:38] james_w: not right now, just reinstalling; I'll let you know once the box comes back up [12:38] pitti_reinstalli: great, thanks [12:39] it seems like adding an apport hook to get ~/.xsession-errors would sometimes get the wrong one wouldn't it? [12:39] seb128: so, you should be able to sponsor bug #425339 now when you have some time [12:39] pitti_reinstalli: we got pretty good coverage going on :) [12:39] they run at submission time, so it would only help if the submission was made in the same session as the problem [12:39] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/425339/+text) [12:40] oh noes.. I just reinstalled this, and it's still broken [12:40] eternal hard disk activity, disabled screen [12:40] didrocks, yes, will do after the freeze [12:40] perfect, thanks :) [12:40] *nnng* [12:40] * didrocks returns to fight back on work :-) [12:51] james_w, pitti_reinstalli: having apport adding .xsession-errors lines from before the crash would make sense [12:52] bug-buddy does it for GNOME bugs too [12:53] I'm pretty sure in this case there's going to be a line about some DBus issue talking to devkit-disks, so it would be invaluable [12:54] hm, I'm a bit hesitant to always attach it, though; could it potentially have sensitive stuff? [12:55] well as said bug-buddy does it [12:55] or can we have a regexp which would filter out interesting stuff? [12:55] ok [12:55] and programs printing sensitive informations should be fixed [12:55] well we can add a regexp too if required [12:55] /c/c [12:55] a lot of users even complained about disclosing the user name or paths [12:55] or add this only to apport-crash bugs by default [12:56] they are private by default anyway [12:56] we'd reintroduce that [12:56] seb128: perhaps we can start with filtering somethign like Glib-CRITICAL.* ? [12:56] I was going to suggest that [12:56] warnings and errors [12:56] (gnome-panel:3485): libglade-WARNING **: Unexpected element inside . [12:57] that's also interesting [12:57] (gnome-settings-daemon:3475): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_propagate_error: assertion `src != NULL' failed [12:57] and that perhaps [12:57] that sounds easy enough for a regexp [12:57] hum [12:57] what ubuntu version do you run? [12:57] that's jaunty here [12:57] gnome-panel should be using gtkbuilder [12:57] ah ok ;-) [12:58] can't throw Karmic at my wife just yet [12:58] I have enough to do helping her with computer stuff even with stable releases :) [12:58] anyway getting those is the useful part usually [12:59] mvo: playing with software store - looking great! [12:59] it would be useful if they could be stashed somewhere, so that they could be requested if needed [12:59] so, ^(.*:\d+): \w+\(WARNING|CRITICAL|ERROR):.* [12:59] seb128: ^ [12:59] +1 [12:59] mvo: great work :) [12:59] james_w: right, they are gone after restarting session [12:59] rather than "please restart your session (as it is truncated), reproduce the problem, then attach the file here" [12:59] perhaps over the top, but useful [12:59] seb128: would you mind throwing that into an apport bug and assign it to me? (sorry, bad working env here) [13:00] missing a backslash :-) [13:00] ERROR\):.* [13:00] hey mvo, Amaranth, did you read anything about compiz breaking keybindings changes recently? [13:03] bah, they did the reportbug change on launchpad now [13:04] pitti_reinstalli, will do [13:05] * pitti_reinstalli hugs seb128 [13:05] * seb128 hugs pitti_reinstalli back [13:05] seb128: +filebug?no-redirect or ubuntu-bug [13:05] ok, no-redirect, thanks [13:10] pitti_reinstalli, bug #431807 [13:10] Launchpad bug 431807 in apport "would be nice to send xsessions-errors warnings and errors" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/431807 [13:11] seb128: thanks === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:13] seb128, can you also sponsor bug 430881 when you do the gdm upload too? [13:13] Launchpad bug 430881 in xsplash "xsplash 0.8" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430881 [13:13] seb128, gdm will require that [13:13] kenvandine, I do plan to clean the sponsoring queue after the freeze [13:36] glatzor: hi, I wonder if https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-store/+bug/423718/comments/3 means that we can try again to get conffile and debconf support [13:36] Launchpad bug 423718 in software-store "Use Packagekit instead of gnome-app-install." [Undecided,Incomplete] [13:36] glatzor: I will work on the conffile handling in aptdaemon (if you don't mind) now [13:37] * pitti_reinst hugs glatzor [13:42] seb128: I still see bug 431812 and added some analysis; you got this as well? [13:42] Launchpad bug 431812 in sysvinit "screen powers off during fsck" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/431812 [13:42] if so, please confirm [13:43] pitti_reinst, yes [13:43] seb128: it only really matters with fsck, but I think you got that a lot [13:43] I've that every second reboot [13:44] ok, so it's not just me [13:45] pitti_reinst, I've added a comment to the bug [13:46] hello everyone ! [14:01] lut huats [14:01] huats, ca va? [14:02] hello seb128 [14:02]