[00:49] <pleia2> ok, well we need to reply to this email
[00:49] <pleia2> BiosElement: will be you around monday evening?
[00:51] <pleia2> anyone else, Vantrax? bodhi_zazen?
[00:51] <pleia2> these are actual professionals who are offering to help us learn moodle :)
[00:51] <Vantrax> hi:P
[00:52] <pleia2> Vantrax: any comments on dinda's email w/ steve?
[00:52] <Vantrax> Ill try and be around, time is a little more awkward for me
[00:52] <Vantrax> Im keen on getting them involved
[00:53] <pleia2> ok, good
[00:57] <BiosElement> pleia2, Yes, I should be.
[00:57] <Vantrax> If they can help us learn permissiosns and structures for moodle its all going to be a big gain for us
[01:00]  * pleia2 nods
[04:02] <pleia2> cprofitt!
[04:02] <pleia2> are you going to be available early monday evening for some moodle guys to teach us things?
[04:03] <pleia2> we need to reply to this email :)
[04:03] <cprofitt> pleia2,
[04:03] <cprofitt> I have a meeting for NY Loco
[04:03] <pleia2> ah, ok
[04:03] <cprofitt> what do they want to teach us?
[04:03] <pleia2> well, hopefully doctormo will be around
[04:03] <pleia2> oh, you weren't on the email
[04:03] <cprofitt> I am fairly proficient in it -- I have created a 'production' course in it already
[04:03] <pleia2> "I'd be happy to go over how we have setup roles and permissions in our
[04:03] <pleia2> District with regard to course creators and teachers, I don't know how
[04:03] <pleia2> close the setup would be to what you require.  Mark has plenty of
[04:03] <pleia2> experience of course setup, how to setup permissions for "student"
[04:03] <cprofitt> no... I was not on the email.
[04:03] <pleia2> access etc."
[06:45] <BiosElement> Good news on the docbook front, I may have found a "best of both worlds" system
[06:46] <BiosElement> asciidoc supports text files being converted into docbook format. It's used by the Linux kernel, Battle for Wesnoth, Some docs for git, WeeChat and Mercurial.
[06:47] <BiosElement> I don't think I like the format as well as restructured text but it still looks like a vast improvement.
[07:04] <BiosElement> If anyone's around, I'm looking over moodle themes and would like some opinions.
[08:13] <BiosElement> doctormo, Got a few?
[08:13] <doctormo> sure, just writing a blog post about narative anthropological social stories ;-)
[08:13] <BiosElement> I found a sorta good solution for docbook
[08:14] <BiosElement>  asciidoc supports text files being converted into docbook format. It's used by the Linux kernel, Battle for Wesnoth, Some docs for git, WeeChat and Mercurial.
[08:14] <BiosElement> I don't think I like the format as well as restructured text but it still looks like a vast improvement.
[08:18] <doctormo> Sounds good
[08:19] <doctormo> And I like the idea that it's used for many existing projects
[08:22] <BiosElement> Yeah, Seems to be pretty popular. I also assume not many projects advertise it since they just distribute docbook format
[08:26] <doctormo> Certainly interesting, how easy is it to do images, code and cli snips and other things/
[08:26] <doctormo> ?
[08:28] <BiosElement> "blocks" are simple, Images are easy,
[08:29] <BiosElement> Even supports code highlighting
[08:35] <BiosElement> Oh, and ascii doc is in the ubuntu repo's also
[08:35] <doctormo> good
[08:36] <doctormo> So, this oh so easy format has a comparative document you've been working on? *I know, I know I've already gotten you to write a docbook doc*
[08:36] <BiosElement> haha, No it doesn't yet. I was busy toying with moodle. However I do have a ton of examples from other projects
[08:38] <BiosElement> http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc/index.txt
[08:38] <BiosElement> ^Source
[08:38] <BiosElement> http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc/index.html
[08:38] <BiosElement> Result
[08:40] <BiosElement> Holy cow, that was easy!
[08:40] <BiosElement> I just tried it, 3 lines, worked outta the box
[08:47] <doctormo> What did/
[08:47] <BiosElement> asciidoc
[08:48] <BiosElement> I mean I had 3 lines and told it to run, it ran with a ton of errors because of missing sections and such but it ran and looked fine
[08:54] <BiosElement> doctormo, Done. >.>
[08:55] <doctormo> BiosElement: that was easy
[08:55] <BiosElement> That's what I said >.>
[08:56] <BiosElement> http://pastebin.com/m64534341
[08:56] <BiosElement> That's what it looks like
[09:00] <BiosElement> Oh and doctormo AsciiDoc is written in python >.>
[09:01] <BiosElement> Supports custom syntax and such also
[09:01] <doctormo> heh
[09:02] <BiosElement> Seems to me the best mix
[09:02] <BiosElement> Gives us the "standard" of docbook but the easy of writing that sphinx had.
[09:04] <BiosElement> Heck, we even have quote blocks >.>
[09:04] <BiosElement> Which apparently docbook always had but no one actually knew the syntax to use them
[09:07] <BiosElement> Anything else you need before I head off doctormo ?
[09:07] <doctormo> nope, your've done awesomness, now for sleep?
[09:08] <BiosElement> Yep. Oh and speaking of which, I installed moodle on my server to toy with. We need to get better icons but otherwise the default "standardlogo" theme is perfect for our uses.
[09:16] <BiosElement> doctormo, a2x - convert Asciidoc text file to PDF, XHTML, HTML Help, manpage or plain text
[09:16] <BiosElement> ^So we can do all those without even converting to docbook
[09:16] <BiosElement> Anyway, I'm off for the night. Lemme know if you need anything else.
[09:17] <doctormo> BiosElement: Good night
[13:22] <pleia2> doctormo: will you be around early monday evening?
[13:22] <pleia2> we still haven't replied to these nice people offering to help us, we need to :)
[13:22] <doctormo> pleia2: I should be, there is a meeting
[13:22] <doctormo> pleia2: Also like your opinion on AsciiDoc
[13:23] <pleia2> we kinda need to commit to something
[13:23] <pleia2> I'm not telling them "yes, please take time out of your busy schedule to come teach us" based on "should be"
[13:23] <pleia2> especially since I know I won't be there
[13:25] <pleia2> BiosElement was similarly non-committal
[13:25] <pleia2> as was vantrax
[13:25] <doctormo> pleia2: I commit to learning from them, I'll be there.
[13:25] <pleia2> ok, thank you :)
[13:26] <doctormo> non-commital seems to be the meme of ubuntu-learning
[13:26] <pleia2> yeah, which is a problem when we are asking for professionals to help us
[13:27] <doctormo> How goes the desktop class btw?
[13:28] <pleia2> as I said the other day I've been focusing on recruitment, organization and review
[13:28] <pleia2> so the version in bzr is the same as it was last week
[13:29] <pleia2> ok, the email says these guys will be around 3:30-5 Pacific, which is 6:30-8 our time
[13:29] <doctormo> ok, it's good because recruitment, organisation and review all need attention too :-)
[13:29] <doctormo> I have to wonder if all community things are this baddly organised or is it just the doctormo effect.
[13:30] <pleia2> I don't think we're *that* badly organized
[13:31] <pleia2> we get volunteers frequently, we have lots of people now offering moodle help
[13:32] <pleia2> we even have people ready to write some courses :)
[13:32] <pleia2> which - process aside - we should talk about some
[13:34] <pleia2> paultag wants to write a bash one, I think asking people who are actually teaching things now to write the "overview-sheet" and give us some notes for the practical-sheet would be great, we (I) can generate a course based on those things
[13:35] <pleia2> I think you worry a lot about controlling the flow of courses, which is valid, but there will be style inconsistancies in this kind of project, it's unavoidable, and we need to accept that and work with it :)
[13:35] <pleia2> if someone wants to write a class we should let them, and fit it in somewhere
[13:35] <pleia2> anyway
[13:35]  * pleia2 works
[13:38] <doctormo> pleia2: I agree, if people want to write thigns in odf, or docbook or what ever, then they should be encouraged to do so. We can always convert things.
[16:06] <doctormo> dinda: I'm having a lot of fun with this project manager gui :-)
[16:06] <dinda> doctormo: which gui is that?
[16:08] <doctormo> dinda: http://imagebin.ca/view/ZHzeWAls.html this one, the one that allows you to add bzr branches without using the cli
[19:58] <BiosElement> doctormo_, Had a chance to poke around with asciidoc yet?
[20:10] <doctormo_> BiosElement: Not much, been weaving magic
[20:10] <BiosElement> Ahh, sounds fun