[01:24] <slangasek> any folks around yet to do a liveCD test for me?
[01:25] <fader_> slangasek: Yo
[01:25] <slangasek> fader_: hi
[01:25] <fader_> slangasek: I'm volunteering for a liveCD test :)
[01:25] <slangasek> fader_: there'll be an ubuntu desktop ISO up for smoke testing in around 15 minutes
[01:25] <slangasek> fader_: care to give it a spin?
[01:25] <fader_> slangasek: Sweet.  I'd be happy to.
[01:26] <fader_> Anything in particular to look out for, other than things like dbus not starting? ;)
[01:26] <slangasek> (it's not the final one for a6, I'm going to turn around and clobber it with another one that pulls in a ubiquity update right after - but it should fix the general "livefs no worky" bug)
[01:26] <fader_> h
[01:26] <fader_> Heh
[01:43] <slangasek> fader_: daily-live 20090917
[01:44] <fader_> slangasek: Roger.  I realized I had deleted my local ubuntu-live iso to save space, so once the previous one finishes downloading I'll rsync up to that and kick it off.
[01:45] <slangasek> ok
[02:07] <fader_> slangasek: Good news and bad news.  The good news is that the live environment is working :)
[02:07] <fader_> The bad news is that I always get ubiquity first
[02:07] <fader_> "try ubuntu" -> ubiquity -> quit -> xsplash -> livecd
[02:07] <slangasek> fader_: yes, that's the bug being fixed in the next spin :)
[02:07] <fader_> Ah, gotcha :)
[02:08] <fader_> slangasek: Should I go ahead and perform an install as well?
[02:08] <slangasek> fader_: only if you're keen to - I'm not expecting any surprises there, at this point, so the energy would be better spent on the should-be-final images currently in the pipe
[02:10] <fader_> slangasek: Gotcha.  I'll play with it a bit but not push hard.
[02:36]  * fader_ starts testing ubuntu-alternate amd64
[07:23]  * ara takes i386 desktop full disk
[07:23] <ara> (ubuntu)
[08:09] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:13] <sbeattie> heya davmor2
[08:14] <davmor2> sbeattie: things are working then :)
[08:16] <sbeattie> yeah, for the most part. I still am unable to get a 32bit kubuntu guest to accept input from a 64bit karmic vbox host... doesn't matter if it's an install or livecd
[08:29] <ara> morning sbeattie, davmor2
[08:31]  * ara takes i368 ubuntu desktop auto-resize
[08:32]  * sbeattie is putzing with a xubuntu live session and trying to reproduce an oddity around alt+cryptolvm
[08:33]  * davmor2 has to take wife off first and then will blitz everything cause they'll all of finished syncing then :)
[08:45]  * ara steps out to grab a coffee while auto-resize is working
[09:08] <ara> hello guys, anybody testing ubuntu?
[09:08] <ara> (live cd)
[09:08] <ara> I need to reproduce an issue
[09:19] <sbeattie> ara: what issue?
[09:19] <ara> after installation, system starts correctly, but if you click on Reboot, at GDM screen, it has a problem with fsck
 Hey I got a strange issue on the ubuntu live cd (installation, full disk)
[09:20] <ara>  It is only in a vbox instance, so I cannot know if it is reproducible in real hw
[09:20] <ara>  but the issue is pretty bad
[09:20] <ara>  installation finishes correctly, and I can log without problems
[09:20] <ara>  but if I click on restart in the GDM screen, it does not restart properly
[09:20] <ara>  http://imagebin.org/64197
[09:23] <sbeattie> ara: hunh, I wouldn't have thought you would see that; virtualbox is exporting localtime to the guest, not UTC, but fully booted the  hardware clock gets set correctly... until you reboot in vbox.
[09:24] <ara> sbeattie, I don't think I followed you
[09:24] <sbeattie> there used to be an ubuntu specific patch that caused fsck to ignore superblock times in the future, but that got discarded in the jaunty timeframe.
[09:24] <sbeattie> err, s/jaunty/karmic/
[09:26] <ara> sbeattie, why it got discarded?
[09:26] <sbeattie> ara: I think, if you set UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS, you will no longer see that issue; it was happening to me on every shutdown/poweron cycle with virtualbox guests.
[09:27] <ara> sbeattie, so, it is a virtualbox only issue, isn't it?
[09:27] <ara> sbeattie, if I had hardware, I would test on hardware ;-)
[09:27] <sbeattie> ara: yes, at least if it's the same issue I've seen with virtualbox.
[09:27] <davmor2> ara: superblock at a time in the future
[09:28] <ara> davmor2, do you get the issue in real hw?
[09:28] <davmor2> ara: I did last night on oem install
[09:29] <ara> davmor2, ouch!
[09:29] <davmor2> I'll look at it on hw in a second now I'm back
[09:29] <ara> davmor2, ok, thanks
[09:29] <ara> davmor2, https://launchpad.net/bugs/427822
[09:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 427822 in linux "fsck says last write time in future" [Critical,Fix released]
[09:29] <ara> davmor2, the issue is supposed to be fixed, but if it is not...
[09:29] <sbeattie> ara: what's odd is that your localtime is ahead of UTC, so the superblock timestamp should be in the past.
[09:29]  * davmor2 So LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!!
[09:30] <sbeattie> ara: do you see it if you shutdown the vbox guest cleanly and then restart it (not just reboot)?
[09:30] <ara> sbeattie, no, only rebooting
[09:31] <sbeattie> so if you reboot again, you see it again?
[09:32] <ara> sbeattie, yes, every time I reboot
[09:32] <davmor2> Music meastro
[09:33] <ara> sbeattie, time is 9:46UTC, which it is false, it was 8:46 at that time
[09:33] <ara> 9:46UTC is 11:48CEST, and now it is 10:30CEST
[09:35] <sbeattie> ara: does date on your host return the correct CEST time?
[09:36] <sbeattie> (host, not the guest)
[09:36] <ara> sbeattie, yes
[09:36] <ara> sbeattie, both guest and host return the correct one
[09:37]  * davmor2 wubi on Ubuntu 64bit this will test it
[09:38] <davmor2> ara: other thing to try is is reboot say 5 times normally and see if you get the fsck bug then
[09:39] <ara> davmor2, yes, I get the bug every tiime I reboot
[09:39] <davmor2> ara: you using vm
[09:40] <ara> davmor2, yes, vbox
[09:41] <sbeattie> wacky. you'd expect the superblock to be two hours off, not one.
[09:41] <davmor2> that could be why
[09:42]  * davmor2 says a small prayer to the Ubuntu iso god let it work please
[10:07] <davmor2> damn it so close so far
[10:07] <davmor2> wubi fails yet again
[10:07] <davmor2> :(
[10:08] <davmor2> but at least it installed this time :)
[10:42] <davmor2> ara: are you working on a live cd install at all?
[10:43] <ara> davmor2, yes, why?
[10:43] <davmor2> ara: have you done the install from ubuntu test yet?
[10:43] <davmor2> install ubuntu even
[10:52] <ara> full disk
[10:52] <ara> davmor2,
[10:52] <ara> davmor2, I am trying to do now the auto-resize
[10:53] <ara> davmor2, but I am getting an error, can you try something for me?
[10:53] <ara> davmor2, it won't take long :)
[10:53] <davmor2> ara: does it say it can't partition it due to an fsck error by any chance :)
[10:54] <davmor2> ara go on
[10:54] <ara> davmor2, yes, it does. but only auto-resizing from ext3
[10:54] <ara> so I have hardy on ext3, then I try to auto-resize
[10:54] <ara> and it fails
[10:54] <ara> davmor2, what about you?
[10:55] <davmor2> not tried that but I got it on a resize I did last night
[10:55] <ara> davmor2, grrr, I get the same thing
[10:55] <davmor2> but that was on ext4 karmic
[10:55] <ara> davmor2, did you file anything?
[10:55] <ara> davmor2, a bug, I mean
[10:56] <davmor2> ara: No I was looking into it when one of the other installs died :(
[10:56] <ara> davmor2, OK, can you quickly check that?
[10:56] <ara> davmor2, if you get that as well, we should be filling a bug and telling slangasek
[10:56] <davmor2> will do after I see if wubi-r153.exe fixes wubi
[10:57] <davmor2> tell him and cjwatson anyway I think then we can look into after
[10:58] <davmor2> I told them about 23:30 last night and everyone had pretty much lost the will to live by then
[10:58] <ara> :)
[10:59] <ara> davmor2, if I ctrl+alt+f1 during an ubiquity installation, what's login/password to have a shell?
[10:59] <ara> davmor2, I just remembered
[10:59] <ara> davmor2, ubuntu/blank
[10:59] <ara> davmor2, nevermind
[10:59] <davmor2> :)
[11:02] <ara> davmor2, OK, it is the same thing, last check of the system happened in the future, which is not true!!!
[11:04] <davmor2> yes that's what I had I rebooted into the normal system ran fsck manually and then tried again and it worked if I recall
[11:05]  * ara still thinks that's not the way it should be ;-)
[11:06]  * ara reboots, brb
[11:07]  * ara believes this is not going to be a good idea, but, anyway...
[11:17] <ara> schwuk, what are you testing now?
[11:17] <schwuk> i386 auto-resize
[11:17] <ara> schwuk, same as me, how does it go so far?
[11:17] <ara> schwuk, did you get an error resizing?
[11:18] <schwuk> ara: only just booted the virtual machine :)
[11:18] <ara> schwuk,
[11:18] <ara> schwuk, ok
[11:18] <schwuk> ara: then I'm going to do some of the amd64 ones
[11:18] <ara> schwuk, can you please, stay with the i386 just until the autopart checks the exisiting file system?
[11:19] <ara> schwuk, to see if you get the error too?
[11:26]  * ara prepares a usb stick to test on her current machine, just to see if it is reproducible in real hw
[11:32]  * ara reboots and test on her machine
[11:55] <davmor2> ara: I'm with you
[11:55] <davmor2> I don't think it should do that
[12:00] <natureshadow> hi there
[12:01] <natureshadow> Is there anybody else who, as of yesterday, cannot update their package lists because the checksums of the main karmic repo are wrong?
[12:03] <davmor2> no but then I've been installing a fresh by the minute
[12:14] <natureshadow> In any case, how do I get this problem solved? I already flushed the local package list store with no effect
[12:16] <schwuk> ara: no obvious errors when re-sizing :)
[12:17] <ara> schwuk, nice, lucky you ;-)
[12:18] <natureshadow> I wonder whether Canonical considers it a fun thing breaking my USB hard drive :/ .....
[12:25]  * ara takes i386 desktop free software only
[12:28] <davmor2> schwuk: what you re-sizing against?
[12:29] <ara> schwuk, do you get the different grub2 entries when done?
[12:30] <davmor2> ara: I did for linux and xp but not vista has this changed for the worst as well?
[12:31] <ara> well, I tried  for linux, and I only got the first entry, I wanted to retest, but then the resizing issue started to happen...
[12:32] <schwuk> davmor2: another Karmic install - I'm building a Windows 7 VM to test against
[12:32] <davmor2> schwuk: did you set utc=no on the karmic install?
[12:33] <schwuk> davmor2: no
[12:33] <davmor2> meh so I get on hw ara gets it on vm and you, you jammie git don't get it at all..  Life isn't fair ;)
[12:38]  * ara -> lunch
[12:40]  * davmor2 takes kubuntu 
[13:07] <davmor2> morning fader|away I thought I'd get this over and done with things am still broke :(
[13:08]  * davmor2 lunch
[13:55] <fader_> davmor2: :(
[13:56] <fader_> I'm in the Lexington office today so I'll have access to some real hardware for testing, especially netbooks
[14:06] <ara> davmor2, are you aware that ogasawara replied to your "double speed" bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/430940
[14:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 430940 in linux "On my nvidia box the system is running at double speed" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[14:07] <davmor2> ara: yes but I need to get the testing out of the way before I can spend all day playing with kernel images, it's bad enough spending most of it reporting bugs :(
[14:07] <ara> davmor2, indeed
[14:08] <davmor2> ara: already arranged to look at it with ogasawara tomorrow as long as the testing doesn't spill over
[14:08] <ara> davmor2, cool
[14:20] <schwuk> ara, davmor2: resize isn't working here after all - on a Windows 7 VM, after install there's no windows entry in GRUB
[14:21] <ara> schwuk, ok, so you got the grub issue as well. schwuk, can you file that as a separate bug, please?
[14:21] <davmor2> schwuk: same as vista.  Need to get that fixed work on xp but I spend 20 minutes getting up
[14:21] <schwuk> ara: will do
[14:22] <schwuk> ara: report against grub or ubiquity?
[14:22] <ara> schwuk, good question ;-). I would report against ubiquity and let cjwatson reassign if necessary
[14:22] <davmor2> schwuk: cjwatson will want a new bug for it but if you put in it that it could be similar to bug 430141
[14:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 430141 in grub2 "Vista is not showing up in grub2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430141
[14:23] <davmor2> schwuk: grub2
[15:37] <ara> davmor2, have you tried kubuntu?
[15:37] <davmor2> yes running it now
[15:37] <ara> davmor2, do your shutdown or reboot buttons work?
[15:37] <davmor2> yeap
[15:38] <ara> davmor2, mine don't :D
[15:38] <davmor2> I figured from the question
[15:38] <fader_> Heh
[15:38] <ara> davmor2, clever guy :D
[15:39] <davmor2> I've been called clever before but it was never followed by guy :D
[16:34] <ara> davmor2, do you know if they are going to respin?
[16:35] <davmor2> ara: I'm assuming not why?
[16:35] <davmor2> no body has mentioned it
[16:35] <ara> davmor2, ok, just wondering
[16:35] <ara> davmor2, because of the clock issues
[16:35] <davmor2> it will probably all be errata at this point
[16:36] <davmor2> ara the clock issue has gone for me now I'm not using the nvidia box
[16:36] <davmor2> so I'm assuming it was due to the clock going at double time under linux
[16:56]  * davmor2 moves onto kubuntu alternate
[16:56] <davmor2> oem is borked
[17:03] <jcastro> Hi everyone: Feedback on this appreciated: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EC2
[17:04] <davmor2> jcastro: not tested it.  It might be worth running it past the server team
[17:05] <jcastro> nod
[17:16] <asac> hi
[17:16] <davmor2> hello asac
[17:17] <asac> anyone has hardy or intrepid or jaunty and can check what happens if you run "xdg-open apt:firefox" ;)
[17:17] <asac> hi davmor2
[17:17] <davmor2> hahahahahahahahahahahahahah not a prayer today dude
[19:34] <fraser_m> Is it possible to dualboot Karmic and Jaunty?
[21:23] <jtholmes> seems like we are going in circles bug in present on the 15th, gone on the 16, back on the 17th yikes!! :(
[21:23] <jtholmes> in=is
[21:27] <davmor2> jtholmes: fixing one thing is breaking another.  Really this stuff could of done with going in last week so it could of been tested safely
[21:28] <jtholmes> yeah wild times this release i know it is putting a strain on the developers and paid testers :(
[21:30] <jtholmes> and cjwatson is probably not real happy, either ;(
[21:34] <davmor2> no one is to be honest
[21:36] <jtholmes> given the odds this has to happen every now and then, and this is now
[21:37] <davmor2> it's bad that it is this fubar this close to beta.  But then on a plus side it's not beta yet so there is time to tweak stuff.  Not a lot of time but time :)
[21:38] <fader_> Much better now than, say, RC :)
[21:38] <davmor2> marjo: what's that bug number that mdz wanted checking I've got clear system now so I can check it
[21:39] <marjo> davmor2: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/43706
[21:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 43706 in casper "Excessive memory usage on live CD" [Low,Fix released]
[21:40] <jtholmes> fader_, yes better now
[21:41] <davmor2> fader_: there still a week then day of release surely is what you meant to say ;)
[21:42] <fader_> davmor2: Let me borrow that axe ;)
[21:42] <jtholmes> davmor2, fader_ you two keep me laughing over your antics
[21:42] <davmor2> fader_: No only room for one insane axe wielding maniac and I got the ticket
[21:43] <fader_> Oh, I'm not a maniac.  I'm quite sane.
[21:43]  * fader_ twitches.
[21:45]  * davmor2 no I'm not killing fader_ he's my friend,  shut up, get out of my head, NO! I'm not listening
[21:47] <fader_> davmor2: Oh man, you hear those voices too?  They must be extra loud today.
[21:49] <davmor2> who said that you apologise now, go on say sorry
[21:51] <davmor2> hey fader_ how the mad world for machine testing?
[21:51] <fader_> davmor2: It's looking pretty decent overall.  A couple of netbooks don't seem to want to record from their internal mics, but other than that life is good
[21:51] <fader_> Well, at least for the hardware I can find.  Tracking down what needs tested is a full-time job itself :/
[21:52]  * fader_ is going to superglue all the hardware to heavy blocks so it can't move far or fast.
[21:53] <davmor2> fader_: don't do it you know the voices will make you drop them out the window for the butter up/down test
[21:53] <fader_> Ubuntu Karmic Koala: Now 70% more likely to land butter-side up!
[21:54] <davmor2> :)
[22:06] <fader_> My ride's leaving the office... afk for a while.  davmor2, do you guys need me to help hit up the mythbuntu tests when I get home?
[22:07] <davmor2> can do more the merrier
[22:08] <fader_> Roger... I'll watch some TV^W^W^Wdo some tests soon then.
[23:26] <davmor2> night night all
[23:43]  * fader|away is back on the air.
[23:44] <fader_> Grabbing amd64 mythbuntu image to start testing
[23:44] <Daviey> fader_: great, thanks
[23:47] <fader_> Daviey: How did the i386 images look?  Anything I should look out for?