[08:40] <davidbarth> DBO: ping? still there?
[10:47] <mac_v> bratsche: hi.. of the different resolutions available , how do i identify which image my xsplash is using? does it depend on the display resolution? or ...
[12:37]  * MacSlow -> lunch
[13:40] <DBO> davidbarth, pong, here now
[13:44] <mac_v> njpatel: hi... you are incharge of UNR , right? humanity icon theme is being flooded with requests for grey panel icons from UNR team. if that is done , the apps will also use these icons... dust theme needs to be modified to use these icons only in the panel. DanRabbit has done a gtk theme which does that...
[13:47] <DBO> eGTK you mean?
[13:47] <mac_v> i think yeah
[13:48] <davidbarth> DBO: hi; i've assigned you a bug this morning that you had commented on
[13:48] <mac_v> njpatel: or do you want the apps also to use these grey icons?
[13:48] <mac_v> then no probs ;)
[13:48] <DBO> davidbarth, which one?
[13:48] <DBO> for some reason I am not seeing anything new in my assigned bugs list
[13:49] <davidbarth> DBO: hold on; searching
[13:49] <DBO> ah found it
[13:49] <davidbarth> ah ok
[13:49] <DBO> stupid firefox and its cache :P
[13:50] <davidbarth> well
[13:50] <davidbarth> i've had so many HW crashes and issues this morning
[13:50] <davidbarth> that firefox is a dream in comparison
[13:51] <DBO> hw crashes suck
[13:52] <mac_v> DBO: hmm... have you guys considered doing a gnome-do plugin for cairo-dock? DO's dock doesnt have too many options but a DO plugin for cairo-dock would would be awesome :)
[13:53] <DBO> davidbarth, i would like to mention that the bug is really "netbook-launcher crashes when killed"
[13:53] <DBO> mac_v, I am writing docky-2
[13:54] <DBO> its going to blow everything else out of the water
[13:54] <DBO> its already amazingly cool
[13:54] <mac_v> hehe ;)
[13:54] <mac_v> DBO: where is it ? 
[13:54] <mac_v> hosted?
[13:54] <DBO> its far from ready for public consumption
[13:54] <DBO> but
[13:54] <DBO> lp:docky
[13:57] <mac_v> DBO: :) , i think it should solve my feature request Bug #409341 ;)
[13:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 409341 in do "[Feature Request] Options to Customize the Dock" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409341
[13:58] <DBO> mac_v, already on it
[13:58] <DBO> mac_v, you can set the size of Docky
[13:59] <DBO> just click and drag up and down on the separator
[13:59] <mac_v> yeah , i didnt realize it :( , its too well  hidded
[13:59] <mac_v> DBO: hmm... if you havent checked out the latest cairo-dock v2 , do check it out it has some nice new features
[13:59] <DBO> fixed that in docky 2
[14:00] <DBO> also you can set size, position, svg background themes, svg menu themes, svg separator themes
[14:00] <DBO> mac_v, what are the cool ones?
[14:02] <mac_v> DBO: iirc these were already in version 1 , but the animations have improved greatly in v2 , it uses OpenGL now... but the option you mentioned are great new additions :) , these where the things i missed the most in Docky :(
[14:02] <DBO> there are many new things in docky
[14:02] <DBO> intellihide is going to be more awesome
[14:02] <DBO> multiple docks
[14:02] <mac_v> \o/ i'll be checking it out :)
[14:03] <DBO> massive amounts of plugins will be reasonable to work with
[14:03] <mac_v> intellihide?
[14:03] <DBO> like autohide
[14:03] <DBO> but its smarter
[14:03] <DBO> it doesn't hide when it doesn't need to
[14:03] <mac_v> yup.. that was something i was about to request
[14:03] <DBO> intellihide is available on Docky 1
[14:04] <DBO> its just not as smart as Docky 2's
[14:05] <mac_v> DBO: i didnt play around much with docky1 , it was too huge [back then , didnt know how to resize it]and only at the bottom , so i used DO without the dock :(
[14:06] <mac_v> DBO: any plans on setting up a ppa for DO+docky2? , i usually forget to update the bzr :(
[14:11] <DBO> docky is a separate process now
[16:58]  * MacSlow -> capoeira
[17:06] <MDC1> DanRabbit, there?
[17:07] <MDC1> i'ts now weekend and i'll have some time coding - what shall I do? :-)
[17:09] <MDC1> i'm thinking of the grouping of folders/files/hidden files - with or without labels. If I go with labels (such as "Folders") we can probably use this to group files in different ways - like when last modified; Today, Yesterday, Last Week, Last Month, Long time ago... 
[17:10] <MDC1> or is there some paper cut bug that would be nice to have fixed?
[17:37] <DanRabbit> MDC1: I'm awake now :D
[17:40] <mac_v> DanRabbit: incoming , but ... :(
[17:50] <MDC1> DanRabbit, if you got any suggestion on work todo - just write it and i'll read it when back in a few hours (will go see a movie)
[17:52] <DanRabbit> Do you have BZR or anything where I can get your latest nautilus package?
[17:52] <DanRabbit> or are all the patches kind of scattered about ;)
[17:55] <mac_v> MDC1: hey... whats up with nautilus?
[18:12] <DanRabbit> njpatel: ping
[19:10] <SiDi> DanRabbit1: thanks for Elementary
[19:10] <SiDi> it's really sweet, it's very likely we'll use it in Xubuntu
[19:10] <DanRabbit1> hehe,  :D
[19:10] <DanRabbit1> I'm glad you like it
[19:11] <SiDi> there are a few icons that we dont like much or which need some update, though
[19:13] <DanRabbit1> okay
[19:15]  * mac_v thinks ... now elementary has only to be picked up by Kubuntu ;)
[19:17] <DanRabbit1> haha
[19:19] <ScottK> What is it?
[19:25] <SiDi> ScottK: a sexy blue icon theme
[19:25] <SiDi> mac_v: we took it before ! meh
[19:26] <ScottK> Ah.
[19:26] <mac_v> SiDi: no probs we can share ;)
[19:30] <MDC1> DanRabbit, they're everywhere ;-) toolbar editor is in git, the other in bugzilla
[19:35] <DanRabbit1> hehe
[19:35] <DanRabbit1> brb
[19:54] <MDC1> DanRabbit - back?
[19:57] <MDC1> http://www.flickr.com/photos/njpatel/2122840167/sizes/o/in/set-72157603637351266/
[19:57] <DanRabbit1> yep
[19:57] <MDC1> take a look at that mockup 
[19:57] <DanRabbit1> holy shit
[19:58] <MDC1> looks great -  huh?
[19:58] <DanRabbit1> yea
[19:58] <DanRabbit1> that's amazing
[19:58] <MDC1> i'm wondering how much work it would be to get that working..
[20:02] <DanRabbit1> no idea
[20:02] <MDC1> i'll make a try if you don't have any other suggestions.. ?
[20:02] <DanRabbit1> no, looks awesome
[20:03] <MDC1> the link was from bugzilla ;-)
[20:16]  * DBO pokes MDC1 
[20:16] <MDC1> me here
[20:16] <DBO> so your nautilus version can subtly break theming with existing themes
[20:17] <MDC1> the grouping thing?
[20:17] <DBO> ya
[20:17] <MDC1> not a code line written just yet - the image was a mockup
[20:17] <DBO> erm
[20:17] <DBO> guess no
[20:17] <DBO> the thingie in your ppa
[20:17] <DBO> the toolbar matches under slightly different rules
[20:18] <MDC1> hmm... ah - don't look at the ppa - old shit ;-)
[20:18] <MDC1> if you'd like to try the toolbar editor - please look at the git
[20:18] <DBO> now you tell me
[20:18] <DBO> mmmm but I dont WANT to install nautilus from source...
[20:18] <DBO> I like having working packages
[20:19] <MDC1> i should really do some packinging some day ;.)
[20:19] <DBO> i already have the entire netbook remix installed from source
[20:19] <MDC1> hehe
[20:19] <DBO> gnome do, docky, th ekernel, mesa, clutter, clutk
[20:19] <MDC1> oh.. :-)
[20:19] <DBO> I might as well be running LFS
[20:19] <MDC1> haha
[20:19] <MDC1> i've got a few patches that i might create a ppa with..
[20:20] <DBO> so are these patches things that apply cleanly to jaunty nautilus?
[20:20] <DBO> because I'll make packages that way...
[20:20] <MDC1> toolbar editor, don't close open location when fail and trashed date column
[20:21] <MDC1> you're more than welcome to create a package with those patches (no idea if they would apply cleanly)
[20:22] <MDC1> DBO, thing the toolbar editor is that it introduces new files and then we'll have to patch the autogenerated Makefiles and I haven't found the mood to that yet..
[20:23] <DBO> MDC1, would my threatening you with a blunt object help? I know I am probably thousands of miles away and the effect will probably be lost, but that kind of thing is always worth a shot
[20:24] <MDC1> dbo, might help
[20:25] <DBO> MDC1, if you dont package that stuff up, I am going to beat you with a teddy bear full of molten steel
[20:25] <MDC1> i'll try to give it a shot this weekend - now i'll have to try this grouping thingy
[20:25] <MDC1> hahaaha
[20:25] <MDC1> now i'm so terrified i really have to do it ;)
[20:27] <DBO> *flashes eyes of rage* good *teddy bears melting slowly reveal themselves in the iris of his eyes*
[20:48] <SiDi> DanRabbit1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Karmic
[20:48] <SiDi> the list might not be accurate,  i needa go right now so i cant polish it
[20:48] <SiDi> its not written in diplomatic terms either :P I called your mouse icon prehistorical :P
[21:15] <DanRabbit1> doh
[21:15] <DanRabbit1> SiDi: I can work on it
[21:16] <DanRabbit1> SiDi: have you noticed the label on optical media changes with the format?
[21:16] <DanRabbit1> It also has CDR, CDRW, etc
[21:52] <MDC1> DanRabbit1, http://mejlamej.nu/g2.png
[21:53] <DanRabbit1> WOO!
[21:53] <MDC1> now i'll just need to figure out how to get the text into place
[21:53] <DanRabbit1> that's so awesome
[21:53] <DanRabbit1> if you can give the hidden icons a little bit of alpha you will be my hero
[21:53] <DanRabbit1> that's sexy as shit
[21:54] <MDC1> yeah.. hmm.. might be possible.. but labels first ;-)
[21:54] <DanRabbit1> What's wrong with the text?
[21:54] <MDC1> no - the headers
[21:54] <MDC1> prefferable with an arrow
[21:55] <DanRabbit1> Do you mean the Up, Stop, Reload?
[21:55] <DanRabbit1> OH
[21:55] <DanRabbit1> ncm
[21:55] <DanRabbit1> nvM*
[21:55] <MDC1> nope.. the "Files" and "Folders" headers
[21:55] <DanRabbit1> I get what you mean
[21:55] <DanRabbit1> yea
[21:55] <DanRabbit1> :D
[21:55] <MDC1> :-)
[21:55] <DanRabbit1> I dunno, you almost don't need it...
[21:56] <DanRabbit1> but, we'll see
[21:56] <DanRabbit1> That's beautiful, though.
[21:56] <MDC1> is a little bit of a hell to get it in there.. 
[22:34] <DBO> MDC1, do you have any working relationship with upstream?
[22:34] <MDC1> DBO, nope
[22:35] <DBO> we should fix that...
[22:35] <DBO> your work is worthwhile stuff
[22:35] <MDC1> thanks ;-)
[22:35] <DBO> is the code clean?
[22:35] <MDC1> the grouping stuff?
[22:35] <MDC1> not at all
[22:35] <MDC1> i'd need a mentor
[22:36] <DBO> how long have you been coding? :P
[22:36] <bratsche> What are you working on?
[22:36] <DBO> awesome stuff
[22:36] <bratsche> link? :)
[22:36]  * DBO shuts up so MDC1 can get some glory
[22:37] <MDC1> http://mejlamej.nu/toolbar_editor_teaser.ogv
[22:37] <MDC1> http://mejlamej.nu/trash.png
[22:38] <MDC1> http://mejlamej.nu/g2.png
[22:38] <bratsche> Nice.
[22:39] <MDC1> DBO, depends - begun with basic when around 10 years old, then a lot of VB6, now working as a java developer (nowadays most NOT programming, handles projects and stufff) - 
[22:40] <DBO> MDC1, yeah like I thought, you have more experience than me :)
[22:40] <MDC1> DBO, actually never thought i would do C as it was "too late" for me.. but now when i've found a few bugs and actually could solve them i can work on other stuff as well ;.)
[22:41] <MDC1> DBO, well.. not as an OSS developer ;-)
[22:41] <DBO> do you have a website/blog?
[22:41] <MDC1> DBO, no - but i'm planning to... :_)
[22:42] <DBO> please let me know when you do
[22:42] <DBO> your work intrigues me
[22:42] <MDC1> sure - thanks
[22:42] <MDC1> you don't happen to know a nautilus dev who has time to do mentoring?
[22:42] <MDC1> everyone seems busy...
[22:43] <MDC1> would love some feedback and help on the toolbar editor
[22:43] <DBO> personally, no, I am mostly in the world of UNR and gnome do/docky
[22:43] <MDC1> C#
[22:43] <DBO> UNR is all C
[22:43] <DBO> I do C and C#, python only if I must
[22:43] <MDC1> isn't gnome do c#?
[22:44] <bratsche> Is the toolbar editor written in C?
[22:44] <DBO> yes
[22:44] <DBO> to both of you :P
[22:44] <MDC1> for nautilus - yes. Manny started to work on it ages ago - and i've used his base for it..
[22:44] <bratsche> If you need help with gtk or GObject type stuff, ping me and I can try to help out.  I'm not that familiar with the Nautilus code base though, but maybe I can be of a little help.
[22:45] <MDC1> bratsche, OH YES I AM :)
[22:45] <DBO> MDC1, is it livable having nautilus installed from source?
[22:45] <DBO> or more annoying than I can stand :P
[22:45] <bratsche> MDC1: ?
[22:46] <MDC1> bratsche, http://github.com/MDC/Nautilus-Toolbar-Editor/blob/toolbareditor/TODO-toolbareditor - take a look at the problem with icons being lost when cancelling a drag 
[22:46] <DBO> oh man I am pro at DnD now, half my work hours I spent on that
[22:47] <bratsche> Okay, I'll pull down the code.  I need to try to finish some stuff up for work, but I'll take a look at it after that.
[22:47] <MDC1> DBO, no idea, i develop in a virtual machine and just run nautilus from source when trying anything new
[22:47] <MDC1> bratsche, sure thing! :)
[22:47] <DBO> you know thats such a reasonable thing to do...
[22:47] <MDC1> DBO, you're welcome to take a look at it as well.. 
[22:48] <MDC1> or the problem with updating other windows with the toolbar....
[22:48] <bratsche> I'm done with xsplash stuff for awhile I think, but I'm trying to work on something in indicator-session now.
[22:48] <MDC1> *new edited toolbar from another window that is
[22:48] <DBO> MDC1, isn't behavior on most GNOME apps to not update in that situation?
[22:49] <MDC1> DBO, eog does update all the windows open
[22:49] <MDC1> nautilus does not when chaning the visibility of the toolbar for example
[22:49] <DBO> I wonder if the HIG has anything to say on this
[22:50] <DBO> gotta run, back later
[22:50] <MDC1> so - i'm not sure - but it seems a little bit buggy if i change one window then another and have a bunch of other windows open and the next I open looks like the last one i've edited ... 
[22:50] <MDC1> bye
[23:20] <DanRabbit1> Bye everyone
[23:20] <MDC1> bye!
[23:37] <SiDi> whoever sent me a message in the last 2 hours, i didnt receive it