[01:35] <sbalneav> Evening all
[01:37] <sbalneav> highvoltage: around?
[07:07] <highvoltage> sbalneav: am now
[13:34] <mhall119|work> anyone from Edubuntu going to the Atlanta Linux Fest tomorrow?
[13:46] <alkisg> I'm trying to find a good way to setup non-LTSP school labs with 8 - 12 PCs. E.g. for user management: LDAP, NIS, or something else? For shared home directories: NFS, AFS...? For cloning: clonezilla, tar, ...?
[13:50] <mhall119|work> I've done an OpenLDAP + Samba setup that worked well
[13:51] <mhall119|work> I was mainly working with Windows workstations though, so there may be something better for Linux
[13:54] <alkisg> mhall119|work: Samba for shared *home* directories? Or just shared data files?
[13:55] <mhall119|work> I used it to serve home directories
[13:56] <mhall119|work> again, though, this was Windows
[13:56] <mhall119|work> which basically just copied the home folder's contents to the workstations at login, and back to the server at logout
[13:56] <alkisg> That's automatically done by windows, right?
[13:57] <mhall119|work> yeah
[13:57] <alkisg> (I also have some mixed labs with windows....)
[13:57] <alkisg> mhall119|work: about openldap, did it store credentials?
[13:57] <mhall119|work> what do you mean?
[13:57] <alkisg> E.g. if the server was down, were the users able to login?
[13:57] <mhall119|work> oh, no, they had to authenticate against the LDAP server
[13:58] <alkisg> So no local caching, like the windows servers do it...
[13:58] <mhall119|work> I didn't know windows servers did that
[13:58] <mhall119|work> I know you can have local-logins on windows workstations, but I didn't think they were cached from the directory server
[13:59] <alkisg> I think so. If my W2k server is down, the domain users are still able to access the clients, *if* they logged on at least once previously
[13:59] <alkisg> I may be wrong; I haven't used that in a very long time
[14:00] <mhall119|work> yeah, I got w2k certified, and don't remember most of it
[14:00] <alkisg> So the windows clients authenticated against openldap? Nice! Was that difficult to setup?
[14:00] <mhall119|work> technically they authenticated against Samba
[14:01] <mhall119|work> because they thought it was an NT4 domain controller
[14:01] <mhall119|work> Samba authenticated against OpenLDAP
[14:01] <alkisg> Ah, and samba pulled the users from openldap...
[14:01] <alkisg> Why use openldap then, and not just the samba users?
[14:01] <mhall119|work> Samba also used OpenLDAP for all the  user and group information
[14:01] <mhall119|work> I had a VPN that could authenticate against LDAP also
[14:01] <mhall119|work> also, I wanted an LDAP-based company-wide address book
[14:02] <mhall119|work> for email
[14:02] <alkisg> Heh.... LDAP surely sounds powerful, I wonder if it's also easy to setup :)
[14:02] <mhall119|work> it didn't used to be
[14:02] <alkisg> Would it be overkill for a small lab with 8-12 clients?
[14:02] <mhall119|work> I hope it's gotten better
[14:02] <alkisg> (and maybe 200 students = accounts)?
[14:02] <mhall119|work> not quite overkill, but probably not the simplest solution
[14:03] <mhall119|work> hmm, 200+ accounts, maybe it is the simplest solution
[14:03] <mhall119|work> I think Novell and/or RedHat have directory server offerings that may work better than what I did
[14:03] <mhall119|work> something more akin to Microsoft's Active Directory
[14:03] <alkisg> Nah, I'd like to stick to ubuntu
[14:03] <mhall119|work> they may run on Ubuntu
[14:04] <mhall119|work> I think Apache has a directory server too
[14:04] <alkisg> Hmmm I should google then :)
[14:04] <alkisg> Thanks mhall119|work, that was valuable!
[14:04] <mhall119|work> no problem
[14:05] <mhall119|work> I did this like 5 years ago, when there weren't too many options
[14:05] <mhall119|work> it should be easier for you now
[14:05] <alkisg> I've only heard of NIS and LDAP so far, but I'll google for more options...
[14:08] <alkisg> mhall119|work: did you have the samba home directories in an ntfs partition, or in an ext3 one?
[14:08] <LaserJock> in how many hours is the meeting?
[14:08] <alkisg> Meeting? what meeting? :D
[14:08]  * alkisg looks...
[14:09]  * LaserJock has a screwed up timezone sync since moving to Boston
[14:09] <LaserJock> it's 17:00 UTC, so that's 13:00 Eastern time?
[14:10] <alkisg> Easter time is UTC-4 ?!!
[14:10] <alkisg> *n
[14:10] <LaserJock> I thought so
[14:11] <LaserJock> Pacific was -7
[14:11]  * alkisg is in UTC+3, so doesn't have much idea about Eastern time...
[14:12] <alkisg> "Its time offset is −5 hrs GMT or UTC−5 during standard time and UTC−4 during daylight saving time" ==> so yeah 13:00 sounds right... :)
[14:14] <mhall119|work> "date -u" will give you UTC time
[14:14] <LaserJock> yes, well
[14:15] <LaserJock> if I was on a Linux machine I'd do that :(
[14:15] <mhall119|work> lol
[14:15] <mhall119|work> it is currently 13:00 UTC
[14:15] <mhall119|work> well, 13:15
[14:15] <LaserJock> btw, webchat.freenode.net is the bomb
[14:15] <mhall119|work> and 9:15 Eastern time
[15:00] <mhall119|work> http://etherpad.com/HmQ0jI7Z7w This is my outline for my presentation at the Atlanta Linux Fest, does anyone have any ideas of what to add?
[17:57] <highvoltage> Edubuntu meeting starting in moments in #ubuntu-meeting.
[17:59] <alkisg> Thanks highvoltage!
[18:05] <highvoltage> supposed to start now anyway :)
[18:05] <highvoltage> alkisg: how are things?
[18:06] <alkisg> highvoltage: fine! I dived into pygtk hacking :)
[18:06] <highvoltage> nice!
[18:06] <highvoltage> I didn't realise you knew Python :)
[18:07] <alkisg> I dont, actually :) I do know another dozen languages though, so it isn't too difficult... I just need the language reference beside me constantly, though....
[18:07] <alkisg> ...and right after the import/export users I've been writing, I want to try to create an edubuntu remix
[18:08] <alkisg> highvoltage, what's the benefit of doing things "the right way" with seeds etc like edubuntu does, as opposed to just customize the live dvd with something like remastersys?
[18:08] <highvoltage> alkisg: for one, we get to be an official distribution
[18:09] <highvoltage> alkisg: personally, I'm fine with using remixes as long as they're done right.
[18:09] <alkisg> I'm asking because we're thinking of creating a greek edubuntu remix, and try to get it to as many schools as we can
[18:09] <highvoltage> alkisg: I hope that we come to a stage where we have lots of remixes and where we actively promote them
[18:09] <highvoltage> alkisg: so I'll even be more than happy to assist you where necessary
[18:09] <ace_suares> hi
[18:10] <alkisg> Nice!!!! I'd really appreciate that!
[18:10] <highvoltage> hi ace_suares
[18:10] <alkisg> Hi ace_suares
[18:10] <ace_suares> meeting ?
[18:10]  * alkisg looks around and doesn't see too many people active...
[18:11] <highvoltage> yep, it's quite quiet. possibly to be expected on a Friday evening :)
[18:17] <ace_suares> sbalneav: meeting!
[20:26] <highvoltage> ace_suares: hi
[20:26] <highvoltage> ace_suares: where is the EdubuntuMeetingAgenda these days?
[20:26] <highvoltage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda doesn't seem to direct anywhere
[21:11] <ace_suares> highvoltage: it's at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/WikiSite/Meeting/
[21:16] <Ahmuck_Sr> i notice that netbooks are 300.00, thin, and cheap anybody used one for a thin terminal?