[03:14] <rgreening> JontheEchinda: ping
[03:15] <rgreening> ScottK: ping
[03:16] <JontheEchinda> rgreening: pong
[03:16] <rgreening> I think I found my issue. devicekit + HAL = broken on my system. Can you see if you have devicekit-disks installed?
[03:16]  * JontheEchinda is in windows atm
[03:17] <rgreening> I think the two are not playing well together
[03:17]  * rgreening kiks JontheEchinda to cause a reboot
[03:18] <rgreening> JontheEchinda: If I stop hal, devicekit-disks works as expected, but KDE does not show my stick in notifier.
[03:19] <JontheEchinda> need Excel + proprietary bullcrap for Statistics class :(
[03:19] <jjesse> yay for windows
[03:22] <JontheEchinda> brb, restarting for service pack 3, which it failed to notify me for a week after I updated to service pack 2
[03:22] <JontheEchinda> YAY WINDOWS
[03:22] <jjesse> it does that on purpose :0
[03:34] <rgreening> JontheEchinda: so If I boot with usb inserted, it finds it in notifier until I remove it and reinsert and no show in notifier.. gr...
[03:49] <ScottK> Meh.  If I'm not around, tell rgreening I do have devicekit-disks installed when he returns....
[04:18] <JontheEchinda> [22:49:29] <ScottK> Meh.  If I'm not around, tell rgreening I do have devicekit-disks installed when he returns....
[04:18] <ScottK> Thanks.
[04:19] <rgreening> JontheEchinda: here
[04:19] <rgreening> JontheEchinda: so insert and remove usb works for you in notifier?
[04:20] <JontheEchinda> still in windows :(
[04:20] <rgreening> dam u haha
[04:22] <rgreening> JontheEchinda: you running 32 or 64 bit?
[04:23] <JontheEchinda> 32 bit
[04:24]  * rgreening is wondering if there is some 64 bit weirdness going on.. im on 64
[04:24] <ScottK> Could be.  I'm on 32 bit.
[04:25] <rgreening> I just tried a live cd of alpha6 and had the same issue.. downloading the 32 bit one now to test that
[05:48] <rgreening_> ScottK: well, apparantly it's specific to my Acer Aspire 6930 only. I tried the image on my Acer One flawless but both the 64 and 32 images fail on my 6930.
[05:49] <ScottK> That makes me consider it might be a kernel issue.
[05:49] <rgreening_> or bios
[05:49]  * rgreening_ digs more
[05:50] <ScottK> You didn't change the bios did you?
[05:50] <rgreening_> no
[05:51] <ScottK> So that's not a variable in the equation.  It worked before, right?
[05:51] <rgreening_> Im trying to remember which kernel I was using last when it worked
[05:53] <rgreening_> aha... there was a kernel update on the 16th... the breakage time
[05:54] <rgreening_> I'll try downgrade
[05:55]  * rgreening_ crosses fingers
[05:58]  * rgreening_ reboots
[09:32] <eviljussi01> Is there a reason the sun-java6-plugin is not in the kubuntu-retricted extra's pacakge?
[09:50] <agateau> finally, I wrote this blog post about indicators: http://agateau.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/indicators-notifications-and-co/
[09:55] <Sput> nice
[10:06] <Riddelll> another sunny day
[10:07] <Riddelll> Riddell: looks like another day where the server I use still exists in two places nether synced with the other
[10:11] <Riddelll> today I should update agateau's stuff, handle the new amarok beta and test taglib 1.6, milestone bugs and report to the release team meeting and have a power lunch with a KDE developer
[10:11] <agateau> Riddelll: wow, busy day!
[10:12]  * agateau wonders what a "power lunch" is
[10:13] <Riddelll> agateau: it's like a normal lunch but it suggests I'm not skiving off :)
[10:14] <agateau> Riddelll: oh ok :)
[10:17] <Riddelll> agateau: your new libindicate-qt uses the new libindicate presumably?
[10:17] <agateau> Riddelll: it does
[10:41] <a|wen-dtu> agateau: kudos with the new ayatana notifications; they are really nice and functions very well!
[10:41] <agateau> a|wen-dtu: thanks!
[10:42] <a|wen-dtu> agateau: will it be as an option in final 9.10 ?
[10:44] <agateau> a|wen-dtu: yes
[10:44] <a|wen-dtu> nice!
[10:44] <a|wen-dtu> are you responsible for the message indicator as well, or?
[10:44] <agateau> yes
[10:45] <a|wen-dtu> what about changing so it only show "new" messages instead of "unread" from kmail?
[10:46] <agateau> that's something I'd like to do, but it's a bit more difficult given the way kmail works
[10:48] <a|wen-dtu> ah, well at least it is on the todo :) ... i turned it off primarily because of that; made it kind of unusable to me :/
[10:53] <a|wen-dtu> apart from that, it is working pretty good (minus some bugs, that afaik was on the todo).
[11:08] <orionas> I was watching TVtime at full screen a few days ago. Works fine, but
[11:08] <orionas> I wsa also watching the kmail notifications
[11:08] <orionas>  :)
[11:09] <orionas> Any thoughts about that?
[11:12] <Tm_T> orionas: I think that should be related to some general setting, say "Presentation" mode makes all notifications to stay behind systray icon for example
[11:13] <Tm_T> no idea if that is possible currently though
[11:16] <orionas> Well, OK. I could just turn off notifications for while watching TV ...
[11:16] <Tm_T> orionas: aye, maybe it should do it automatically, I don't know
[11:17] <orionas> Tm_T: Pile it up on the wishlist :)
[11:29] <tseliot> Riddell: does the KDE tray use 16x16 icons by default in Kubuntu?
[11:30] <Riddelll> tseliot: 22x22 I think
[11:31] <tseliot> Riddelll: I asked as I'm getting this problem with pidgin in Kubuntu (see the white icon): http://albertomilone.com/ubuntu/karmic/screenshots/pidgin.png
[11:33] <tseliot> that should show the "available status" icon
[11:33] <tseliot> here's the output of "ls -R /usr/share/pixmaps/pidgin/tray/"
[11:33] <tseliot> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/273374/
[11:35] <tseliot> Riddelll: the actual name of the icon is tray-online.png
[11:35] <Riddelll> tseliot: systray is just an xembed window, there shouldn't be any difference seen between running something under KDE than gnome
[11:37] <tseliot> Riddelll: the icon was visible in jaunty
[11:44] <Riddelll> tseliot: and under gnome?
[11:45] <tseliot> Riddelll: gnome doesn't seem to be affected by this problem
[11:46] <Riddelll> maybe it's a problem, in gtk-qtcurve engine
[11:46] <Riddelll> tseliot: try running it under KDE with GTK2_RC_FILES  unset
[11:48] <tseliot> Riddelll: something like GTK2_RC_FILES="" pidgin ?
[11:48] <Riddelll> yes
[11:49] <tseliot> ok, let me try
[11:52] <tseliot> Riddelll: GTK_RC_FILES="" pidgin doesn't seem to solve the problem
[11:52] <Riddelll> GTK2
[11:53] <Riddelll> tseliot: does it run with the crappy dewiget theme
[11:53] <Riddelll> tseliot: does it run with the crappy default wiget theme?
[11:53] <tseliot> Riddelll: no, it seems to be still qt curve
[11:53] <Riddelll> tseliot: try    unset GTK2_RC_FILES; pidgin
[11:54] <tseliot> ok
[11:55] <tseliot> Riddelll: ok, it's ugly now but the problem still remains
[11:55] <Riddelll> so it's not a fault of the widget theme, it must be a fault in pidgin somehow
[11:55] <Riddelll> although I've no idea why it would be doing something different under KDE than under Gnome
[11:57] <tseliot> Riddell: the weird thing is that I can see a green triangle in the bottom right corner of the icon and an orange icon when I receive a message. Also I can see part of the connection icon when pidgin is connecting
[11:58] <Riddelll> so it's showing stuff offset by a few pixels?
[12:01] <tseliot> Riddelll: either that or it's clipping the icon somehow
[12:02] <Riddelll> tseliot: worth testing some other gnome apps with systray icons under KDE too I suppose
[12:02] <Riddelll> although shouldn't pidgin be using the message indicator?
[12:03] <tseliot> Riddelll: it uses notifications and updates the status icon
[12:07] <tseliot> Riddelll: liferea's icon is not perfect (gray background) but still visible
[12:07] <tseliot> http://albertomilone.com/ubuntu/karmic/screenshots/liferea.png
[12:09] <tseliot> transmission's icon is perfect
[12:10] <tseliot> http://albertomilone.com/ubuntu/karmic/screenshots/transmission.png
[12:15] <Riddelll> hard to say what's at fault then
[12:15] <Riddelll> could be KDE could be pidgin could be both
[12:16] <tseliot> Riddelll: where's the systray code?
[12:16] <tseliot> i.e. what package?
[12:17] <Riddelll> tseliot: kdebase-workspace
[12:17] <tseliot> Riddelll: ok, thanks
[12:17] <Riddelll> kdebase-workspace-4.3.1/plasma/applets/systemtray/
[12:18] <tseliot> thanks again
[12:41] <allee-k> Is apport somehow usable at the moment?  apport-bug /usr/bin/X hangs (begs for kill 9) after sending infos, and just apport-bug does crazy things whatever I choose (storage problem | other) :(
[13:04] <shtylman> apachelogger: I have thought more about this shared installer package and I don't think it is the right approach...at least not how it is now. The problem is that I used ubiquity specific names for lots of things in the style file. So...my recommendation is this: either leave for this cycle as separate things in separate packages and plan for next cycle to create a base style file and makes sense for various components...or... create a kubuntu-
[13:04] <shtylman> installer-artwork package instead that just has the images in it and no style file and leave the style file up to the users? I like the idea of a good base style file but I am concerned that really beyond these two installers...what else are we gonna use this for? thoughts?
[13:51] <ScottK> Riddelll: I should have a quassel update ready once you've uploaded libindicate-qt (agateau updated the quassel patch for it with upstream).
[13:53] <ScottK> How barbaric that I'm forced to install vim on my own and it isn't automatically provided anymore.
[13:59] <JontheEchinda> Konversation will be shipping a beta this weekend, with a final release in the first week of October
[13:59] <ScottK> U/I for Quassel is done, so we could possibly have the IRC client shootout next week.
[14:01] <JontheEchinda> All Konversation has to fix is the marker line regressions (almost fixed) and a kde3 -> kde4 config upgrade bug, then they'll beta release and ride out string freeze to the final release
[14:01] <JontheEchinda> but otherwise UI is done there too
[14:05] <JontheEchinda> ScottK: oh, I also found that Konversation can use KNotify rather than the OSD, but that notifications on nick highlight are off by default
[14:05] <ScottK> Interesting.
[14:05] <JontheEchinda> we could turn these on in k-d-s if we so chose
[14:06] <ScottK> If we switch back to Konversation as the default, then we probably should so as not to 'regress'.
[14:06] <ScottK> Otherwise, I think sticking with the upstream default is sensible.
[14:06] <ScottK> Do they have a reason to prefer their OSD over KNotification?
[14:07] <ScottK> I do think it'd make sense to use the system notifications for consistency.
[14:08] <JontheEchinda> neither is on by default, I just found the OSD first
[14:08] <Riddelll> ScottK: new libindicate-qt is up
[14:08] <JontheEchinda> then I found the notification settings, but chose the wrong one, which made me think that KNotifications didn't work in Konversation
[14:09] <JontheEchinda> Since it uses an old Amarok implementation for the OSD, I thought it would act the same in that it prevented the use of KNotifications (you have to use an external plugin for Amarok)
[14:10] <JontheEchinda> But, as it stands, neither is turned on by upstream by default, and both work equally well
[14:12] <ScottK> OK.  New quassel ina bit then.
[14:35] <gunsofbrixton> hi, I was wondering if during installation the keyboard layout that is chosen automatically should depend on the selected time zone and not on the language. is there some issue I am overlooking or should I report a wish?
[14:39] <Riddelll> I don't know the exact criteria  used, I'm pretty  sure timezone is part of it
[14:39] <Riddelll> gunsofbrixton: I'd ask in #ubuntu-installer
[14:41] <gunsofbrixton> Riddelll: ok tnx
[14:44] <allee-k> gunsofbrixton: laptop can move, so making keyboard location dependend is IMHO not useful  Owners most probably stick to their language independently where they are, so using language as default makes sense IMHO.
[14:49] <gunsofbrixton> allee-k: I asked in #ubuntu-installer and maybe the discussion should continue there. anyhow if the laptop moves you are likely to change the kde time, not the time at installation. on the contrary I would think that "foreign" users choosing english as a language because their language is not fully translated or simply because they like it are fairly common
[14:50] <gunsofbrixton> or chosing a language of a neighboring country
[15:33] <ScottK> Riddelll: Quassel's up.
[15:34] <Riddelll> yay
[15:46] <davmor2> Riddelll: have you not lost that extra L yet ;)
[15:46] <Riddelll> davmor2: no, the server is still in two places at once between moves :(
[15:47] <davmor2> Riddelll: ah your moving again now that explains it :)
[15:48] <Riddelll> I'm not, the server is
[15:48] <Riddelll> jefferai: arm doesn't like qMax https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/2:2.1.85-0ubuntu1/+build/1248883/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-armel.amarok_2:2.1.85-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:49] <Riddelll> NCommander: would you be able to tell jefferai the fix for that?
[15:49] <davmor2> Riddelll: got a better deal else where then?
[15:50] <Riddelll> davmor2: no worse, but 8 years of free hosting in the  back of someone's office is as much as could be expected
[15:50] <davmor2> :) hahahaha
[15:57] <Quintasan> Riddelll: Do we need FFe for Dooble or we are going to put it in ppa?
[15:57] <Riddelll> Quintasan: FFe would be good, me or vorian can grant
[15:57] <Riddelll> is there a patckage for testing?
[15:58] <Quintasan> working, almost finished, need only a desktop file
[16:13] <Quintasan> Riddelll: desktop files go to /usr/share/applications and icons to /usr/share/hicolor?
[16:13] <Riddelll> /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ yes
[16:19] <Quintasan> humm, where I can place *.png files? debuild complains about binary file changing
[16:19] <ScottK> If you put them in /debian you need to uuencode and uudecode them.
[16:20] <neversfelde> lots of people complaining about okular not compiled with epub support, bug 424095 and the feedback page for alpha5. What are we going to do? Set it to "Won't Fix" for karmic?
[16:21] <Quintasan> ScottK: How should I do that?
[16:22] <Riddelll> Quintasan: it's fiddly, you can see kde4libs for an example
[16:23] <Quintasan> hmm upstream supplies 16x16 icon in package and 48x48 *.ico file
[16:23] <ScottK> neversfelde: How about write up a MIR and see if we can get it approved.
[16:24] <neversfelde> ScottK: isn't it too  late? If not, I will try to do it.
[16:24] <ScottK> It's definitely too late if you don't ask.
[16:24] <neversfelde> hehe
[16:26] <Quintasan> my internet's awesome, pages load up ~15 kb/s and downloading goes ~250kb/s
[16:29]  * Quintasan just noticed that he must guess the meaning of about 90% adjectives used here
[16:42] <Riddelll> apachelogger: I have no idea how to set the main branch for install-package
[17:06] <MsMaco> sorry bout that. i have no idea what i did, but somehow i just made my terminal with irssi spawn out a few more of itself
[17:12] <Quintasan> Riddelll: The build fails when extracting the file, do I need to add usr/share/hicolor to debian/dirs?
[17:38] <Quintasan> hurr durr 14mb of sauce to upload
[17:52] <allee-k> Quintasan: you only need it in dirs, when the directory is not created by make install
[17:56] <vorian> Quintasan: when you have the ffe bug ready, ping me or make sure you subscribe me to the bug
[18:20] <apachelogger> shtylman: installer-artwork is overhead
[18:21] <apachelogger> shtylman: besides, the qss mostly needs to be reimplemented for each installer anyway, since I doubt that every installer ought to follow the design paradigm of ubiquity anyway
[18:23]  * apachelogger sends memo to tonio
[18:25] <apachelogger> oh, there he comes again
[18:25] <Tonio__> apachelogger: was this for me ?
[18:25] <apachelogger> Tonio__: plz do nu upstream release of kdesudo
[18:25] <apachelogger> pushing in a sec
[18:25] <Tonio__> kk
[18:26] <Tonio__> JontheEchinda: saw about your kdepim upload
[18:26] <Tonio__> JontheEchinda: is konversation in the process too to upgrade the patch indicator patches ?
[18:27] <apachelogger> hm
[18:27] <apachelogger> I think bzr just broke while pushing
[18:27] <apachelogger> that cant be good
[18:28] <apachelogger> also the lp ui remake is kinda silly
[18:28] <apachelogger> on my darn user page the amarok wiki url overlaps with a ssh key
[18:30] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I may consider using a redmine for my personal project in the future
[18:31] <Tonio_> lp usability has become a nightmare compared to what it was a few month ago
[18:31] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yesterday it took 20 minutes to figure out out to delete a package from a ppa
[18:31] <apachelogger> oh
[18:31] <apachelogger> redmine :D
[18:31] <ScottK> It looks like https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive/ppa can be killed off
[18:31] <rgreening> message indicator busted with latest update :(
[18:31] <apachelogger> one of the most awesome rails apps I know off
[18:31] <rgreening> hahah the trash :)
[18:31] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I love redmine :) simple, efficient, nice
[18:32] <apachelogger> aye
[18:32] <apachelogger> redmine is super cool
[18:32] <Tonio_> apachelogger: and french :)
[18:32] <apachelogger> ..even though it is french it is super cool :P
[18:32] <Tonio_> haha
[18:32] <Tonio_> apachelogger: are some people here using the message indicator ?
[18:33]  * apachelogger is not, KDE shall prevail!
[18:33] <Tonio_> yeah...
[18:33] <rgreening> Seems to behave well enough here.. I think I may like it
[18:33] <Tonio_> not that the concept ain't interesting, but well... there are things to fix before... kubuntu needs a lot of polishing right now...
[18:34] <Tonio_> I'll be back in france in a week, I'll take more time for kubuntu
[18:34] <rgreening> I LOVE the click thru... KDE needs to do that!!!!!!!! <--- sebas
[18:34] <Tonio_> right now I don't wan't to do the geek... I want to discover canada, and integrate with my new company
[18:34]  * apachelogger thinks that discovering canada sounds funny
[18:34] <Tonio_> rgreening: I'd LOVE the cursor not to break on drag/drop :)
[18:34] <apachelogger> is a bit like discovering the moon
[18:35] <apachelogger> like what the hell would you be discovering on the moon
[18:35] <Tonio_> especially since nobody gives a sh*t and the bug is now 2 years old :)
[18:35] <apachelogger> just a big golf ball anyway :P
[18:35] <Tonio_> apachelogger: s/discovering/lear about/
[18:35] <apachelogger> Tonio_: ruphy always asks for debug info when I poke him
[18:35] <Tonio_> makes it better I think :)
[18:35] <apachelogger> learning about canada sounds broing though :P
[18:36] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I suspect the issue is in qt in fact, not kde
[18:36] <apachelogger> Tonio_: though I must say that the debug info is incredibly useless and I failed to fix0r the issue in all 3 attempts I made
[18:36] <apachelogger> Tonio_: quite possibly it is in Qt
[18:36] <Tonio_> apachelogger: pure qt apps do break also, when gtk ones don't
[18:37] <apachelogger> the thing is
[18:37] <apachelogger> in theory even for dnd it somehow must access some X cursor
[18:37] <rgreening> Riddelll: I see what you like about the indicator stuff...
[18:37] <apachelogger> so in theory you could make the oxygen cursor theme override the bug
[18:38] <rgreening> apachelogger: discovery.ca
[18:38] <rgreening> lol
[18:38] <apachelogger> but live thought me that theory might not always apply to software in the linux world
[18:39]  * apachelogger breaks bzr lock and pushes again
[18:39] <apachelogger> oh there we go
[18:39] <apachelogger> Tonio_: all ready to go for new upstream release of kdesudo
[18:39]  * apachelogger prepares kdebase-runtime meanwhile
[18:41] <Tonio_> apachelogger: oki :)
[18:41] <Tonio_> apachelogger: is there any emergency on that point ?
[18:41] <apachelogger> Tonio_: yes
[18:41] <apachelogger> I just uploaded runtime
[18:41] <Tonio_> ok
[18:41] <apachelogger> and that will fail without new kdesudo
[18:41] <apachelogger> another reason why i do not like dpkg-divert
[18:41] <Tonio_> haha, indeed, let's make it then
[18:42] <Tonio_> yeah I know about that...
[18:42] <Tonio_> apachelogger: we could go with debconf eventually like debian, but then we have to make sure it'll choose kdesudo bu default
[18:42] <Tonio_> apachelogger: what about that ?
[18:43] <apachelogger> nah
[18:43] <apachelogger> no point
[18:43] <Tonio_> apachelogger: the ideal thing is to fix kdesu package, kdesudo, and provide an alternative
[18:43] <apachelogger> that is what my uploads are doing :P
[18:43] <Tonio_> haha :)
[18:43] <apachelogger> which is also why the debconf approach would make no sense
[18:43] <Tonio_> so you did fix kdelibs also ?
[18:44] <apachelogger> Tonio_: what for?
[18:44] <Tonio_> bah provide an alternative for kdesu too, no ?
[18:44] <apachelogger> kdesu resides in runtime these days
[18:44] <Tonio_> yeah workspace/runtime, whatever contains kdesu ;)
[18:45] <apachelogger> runtime, all runtime apps are in runtime :P
[18:45] <apachelogger> all apps that compose the actual workspace are in workspace :P
[18:45] <Tonio_> apachelogger: the very ideal thing would be to merge kdesudo and kdesu and write a sudo class for it
[18:45] <apachelogger> Tonio_: I did not want to jump into that, besides, soon kdesu* shall be completely pointless
[18:45] <Tonio_> apachelogger: so.......... did you fix the *runtime* package too ??? ;-)
[18:45] <apachelogger> policykit ftw!
[18:45] <Tonio_> yeah I know about that
[18:45] <rgreening> apachelogger: we need to make kdesudo go away as a dep on our packages. should be a goal for UDS-L to make packagekit used by more stuff. We have packagekit working now for usb-creator-kde (0.2.7 unreleased)
[18:46] <apachelogger> Tonio_: yeah, in fact, it is already uploaded, so you should hurry with kdesudo :P
[18:46] <ScottK> rgreening: It's an upstream goal for KDE 4.4, so Karmic +1 is the time
[18:46] <Tonio_> rgreening: wow, impressive :)
[18:46] <apachelogger> rgreening: you mean policykit I suppose?
[18:46] <rgreening> UDS-L = Karmic+1 :)
[18:46] <Tonio_> yeah I understood policykit
[18:47] <apachelogger> and yes, getting rid of kdesudo is something to target for sure
[18:47] <rgreening> doh.. yeah polocykit.. finger fumbled packagkit
[18:47] <apachelogger> should not be high prio though
[18:47]  * rgreening believes == high
[18:47] <Tonio_> rgreening: it is nice but a lot of work on the client/backend side
[18:47] <apachelogger> lol
[18:47] <Tonio_> no ?
[18:47] <rgreening> no more root ugliness via sudo wrapper
[18:47] <apachelogger> Tonio_: I understand kauth makes it easier
[18:47] <apachelogger> did not look at it though
[18:47] <apachelogger> also
[18:47] <rgreening> yay
[18:47] <apachelogger> there is no client server thing
[18:47] <Tonio_> k
[18:48] <Tonio_> apachelogger: frontend/backend :)
[18:48] <apachelogger> that is not much of a hassle either AFAIK :)
[18:48] <Tonio_> you need some templating in policykit at least right ? and then the UI using it
[18:48] <apachelogger> well, you need to write a policy
[18:48] <Tonio_> rgreening: I mean it's not as easy as a sudo bla
[18:48] <apachelogger> similar to the dbus interface stuff, just that the dbus interface stuff is a buildtime dep
[18:49] <rgreening> Tonio_: download the 0.2.7 release of usb-creator. It has a helper backend that does the root priv stuff via policy and the frontend is all user space
[18:49] <Tonio_> rgreening: oki I'll look at this
[18:49] <apachelogger> Tonio_: well, considering sudo might not be there and considering you might want a sudo GUI and considering all the sudo GUIs use different cmdline args, I would consider policykit easier to implement
[18:49] <apachelogger> at least easier to implement in a cross-desktop/toolkit manner
[18:49]  * rgreening agrees
[18:49] <Tonio_> rgreening: one thing we should consider then is partitionmanager
[18:49] <rgreening> for sure Tonio_
[18:50] <Tonio_> interesting, I'll try to make it to work
[18:50] <Tonio_> tomorrow :)
[18:50] <rgreening> cool
[18:50] <apachelogger> partitionmanager?
[18:50] <apachelogger> the kcm/app?
[18:50] <rgreening> I think jockey was another one Riddelll mentioned...?
[18:50] <apachelogger> jockey most importantly needs to become a KCM
[18:50] <rgreening> brb.. reboot
[18:50] <Tonio_> apachelogger: it is both a kcm and binary app
[18:51] <apachelogger> thus the slash :P
[18:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I think we should drop the desktop file for the binary, as it is pointless to have both
[18:51] <Tonio_> it should be in systemsettings
[18:51] <apachelogger> Tonio_: I suppose upstream will jump at policykitification soonish
[18:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I hope so, and maybe I can help if it is not
[18:52] <apachelogger> well, better poke him before you get started on anything
[18:52] <Tonio_> okay lett's attempt to release kdesudo with launchpad :)
[18:52] <apachelogger> besides
[18:52] <Tonio_> apachelogger: sure that
[18:52] <apachelogger> Tonio_: you better postpone that to post-karmic-release :{
[18:52] <apachelogger> :P even
[18:52] <Tonio_> hehe of course
[18:52] <apachelogger> partitionmanager ought to go on some thing (dvd,cd cant remember) for 10.04 as discussed with neversfelde and ScottK
[18:53] <apachelogger> though I would not even call that discussed, rather "agreed"
[18:53] <ScottK> Well dvd is oversized, so not sure anymore
[18:54] <apachelogger> big fat dvd, huh?
[18:54] <ScottK> Yep
[18:54] <apachelogger> ScottK: that needs to be reevaluated anyway
[18:54] <JontheEchinda> Tonio_: Riddell got the names backwards on the changelog
[18:54] <Tonio_> apachelogger: did you change things in main.cpp ?
[18:54] <JontheEchinda> I did the BCC patch
[18:54] <apachelogger> Tonio_: I did not freinhard did
[18:54] <apachelogger> I think
[18:54] <apachelogger> see debian/changelog and regular changelog
[18:54] <apachelogger> I think that change was in main.cpp
[18:55] <apachelogger> thus the need for upstream release
[18:55] <Tonio_> yup
[18:55]  * apachelogger looks for it crowd dvd, finds it crowd dvd, hoorays in geeky manner and inserts dvd in laptop
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> yay, linux
[19:15] <Tonio_> apachelogger: https://edge.launchpad.net/kdesudo
[19:16] <rgreening> kmail is broken as is the plasma widget as libindicate-qt change so number from 0 to 1 and now neither load (Riddellagateau)
[19:21] <apachelogger> Tonio_: thx
[19:21] <ScottK> seele: I put the final U/I for quassel in the old Kubuntu Members PPA https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+archive/ppa/
[19:21] <ScottK> It's still waiting to build, but should be there eventually.
[19:22] <Tonio_> apachelogger: will you upload the package or may I do it ?
[19:22] <apachelogger> Tonio_: uploaded it is
[19:23] <Tonio_> apachelogger: great
[19:24] <nixternal> police chases are awesome! what an eventful day so far...escaped prisoner robbed my bank, flew down our street...chased by cops, FBI, Marshalls, and more..just like on TV
[19:28] <ScottK> nixternal: I thought every day was like that in Chicago?
[19:38] <yuriy> _Sime: have you had any chance to look at bug 403361?
[19:38] <yuriy> at least, if it's a pyqt or qt or application problem
[20:07] <rgreening> Riddell: ping
[20:10] <Quintasan> FFS
[20:10] <Quintasan> I uploaded to ubuntu -_-
[20:51] <rgreening> Riddell: ping URGENT ping - KMail busted with libindicate-qt.so.1 - want .0 now I cant load my mail!
[21:10] <Tonio_> rgreening: afaik it's already uploaded by JontheEchidna
[21:10] <Tonio_> rgreening: just we have to wait for the binary package :)
[21:10] <rgreening> for kmail.. and the plasma widget?
[21:14] <Tonio_> rgreening: same isue I suspect
[21:15] <Tonio_> rgreening: aren't they from the same source package ?
[21:19] <rgreening> no I do not think so..
[21:19] <rgreening> no def not
[21:19] <rgreening> at any rate broken
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> don't blame me! :P Riddell did the kdepim stuff and swapped the debian/changelog credit accidentally. I did the BCC patch
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> ...unless he wanted people to blame me :P
[21:27] <bmunger> what's the correct way to setup samba shares in 9.10? I have installed the samba server but I was expecting there to be a control module or something
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> I think you want the kdenetwork-filesharing package, but it's not exactly bug-free
[21:30] <bmunger> is that why it's not installed by default?
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I believe
[21:34] <bmunger> hopefully it will be ready by release
[21:34] <bmunger> thanks
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> eh, it's not really been touched since 4.0
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> one of the parts of kde that nobody cares about
[21:50] <Quintasan> HURRRRRRR
[21:52] <Quintasan> hmm, no changes in raptor's git, wtf
[21:53] <Tonio_> ScottK: would kdebluetooth require an FFE ?
[21:53] <Tonio_> ScottK: it's just a bugfix release so far...
[21:53] <Quintasan> yay!
[21:53] <Quintasan> +1 for bugfix release
[21:54] <Tonio_> let's upload then...
[21:55] <Quintasan> Maybe it will work finally
[21:56] <Tonio_> Quintasan: I can't test since I have basically no bluetooth device here
[21:56] <Tonio_> Quintasan: feel free to once in the repos :)
[21:56] <Quintasan> I have a bluetooth dongle and my mobilephone :P
[21:56] <Tonio_> and please report to ScottK or myself
[21:56] <Tonio_> Quintasan: great
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> NoooOOoOoOO
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> I uploaded the wrong 12.3 MB tarball to LP :(
[21:57] <Quintasan> lol
[21:57] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I uploaded 14mb tar to Ubuntu
[21:57] <Quintasan> @_@
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> lol
[21:58] <Quintasan> now to PPA for testing and then maybe FFe
[21:58] <Quintasan> Dooble was PITA to deal with, and Java modules will propably kill me
[21:58] <Quintasan> and to think I want into MOTU :D
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> :)
[21:59]  * JontheEchidna kills his internet again and reuploads kmymoney2 tarball
[22:00] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: that happens sometimes :)
[22:00] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: only those who do nothing never do mistakes, dude !
[22:00] <Quintasan> Tonio_: sometimes is very flexible word :)
[22:00] <apachelogger> oh man
[22:01] <Quintasan> omfg
[22:01] <apachelogger> I sure hate the pot importer
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: true
[22:01] <Quintasan> I was about to write "ohshi- I forgot about learning Ruby"
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> wow, lag
[22:01]  * Quintasan hides
[22:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: can't you poke someone to hack it?
[22:03] <apachelogger> I dont even know what crappy load of code is responsible for raping the package of its pot
[22:03] <apachelogger> that sounds weird
[22:03] <Quintasan> yeah! I started uploading on 21:13, it's 23:03 now
[22:03] <apachelogger> anywho
[22:04] <apachelogger> it might make sense to rape all the pot for gnome since gnome by definition is unorganized and unstandardized and things
[22:07] <Quintasan> 10.times print ( "UPLOAD, UPLOAD, UPLOAD! " )
[22:07]  * apachelogger finds that ugly
[22:08]  * apachelogger finds old kdelibs even uglier
[22:08] <apachelogger> there are approx 3000000010202391989.8 patches in that beast
[22:08] <apachelogger> about as phony is the buildability
[22:08] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: s/skrooge/kmymoney/ anyway :)
[22:09] <JontheEchidna> I use neither. but it's apparently popular and in need of an upgrade
[22:09] <Quintasan> almost uploaded 12/14 mb :S
[22:09] <Tonio_> kdebluetooth uploaded
[22:10] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[22:10] <Quintasan> yay
[22:10] <Quintasan> where is our bot?
[22:10]  * Quintasan hands cookies to Tonio_
[22:11] <apachelogger> the diff.gz of kdelibs is almost 1 MiB
[22:11] <apachelogger> what the freaking android
[22:11] <neversfelde> bugfix releases do not need FFe?
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> they need a bug filed to document that you are uploading it, but no FFe
[22:12] <Quintasan> damn, I need to write a FFe for Dooble
[22:12] <Quintasan> but first testing!
[22:13] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: the release is 0.9.5 to 0.9.8, but it seems to introduce minor new features. Is it a bugfix release or not?
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: oh, that tasks plasmoid? Yeah, I think those features would probably make it need an FFe
[22:14] <neversfelde> ok, I will try to get one
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> just toss it over to vorain
[22:15] <neversfelde> ok, thank you
[22:15] <apachelogger> eh
[22:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I am not sure, but I really think that for main packages you need an exception for any new upstream version
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> son of a... where'd the kmymoney debs I pbuilt go...
[22:16] <apachelogger> at least last I checked the documentation seemed to suggest that any new upstream version is affected by feature freeze and that only the release team decides what is bugfix and what is not (or worth the regression potential for that matter)
[22:17] <apachelogger> ah
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> gah, the list-missing hook encountered an error and it didn't copy the debs out :(
[22:17] <apachelogger> actually, for main you dont need documentation at all for microreleases
[22:17] <neversfelde> apachelogger: had a job interview today, so I did not make it to finish my mail to the krita devs, will do it this weekend, sorry
[22:17] <apachelogger> sweet
[22:17] <apachelogger> darn universe always causes documentation overhead
[22:18] <apachelogger> back int he days when I was young universe was the less documentatitve part of the archive
[22:18] <apachelogger> all changed it seems
[22:18] <Quintasan> lol
[22:18] <Quintasan> apachelogger must be very old then
[22:18] <apachelogger> neversfelde: how did the interview go?
[22:18] <Quintasan> apachelogger: shouldn't you eh.. retire? :D
[22:19] <apachelogger> aze
[22:19] <apachelogger> aye
[22:19] <apachelogger> go to fedora
[22:19] <apachelogger> or mandriva
[22:19] <Quintasan> lol
[22:19] <JontheEchidna> have you retired from the geriatric care business yet?
[22:19]  * Quintasan takes apachelogger's MOTU badge
[22:19] <neversfelde> apachelogger: good, but there will be a second and maybe third one, little bit of overkill :)
[22:19] <apachelogger> anywho, its not me being old its ubuntu being one big bloated policy about having policies to make up the policy while maintaining a policy to policify new policies
[22:20] <apachelogger> if you think that does not make sense, then you are absolutely right and might get a free drink should we meet at some point
[22:20] <apachelogger> that is if I didnt retire and switch to a retired-people distro
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> lol
[22:20] <apachelogger> neversfelde: germany sure is weird
[22:20] <neversfelde> hehe
[22:21]  * apachelogger usually gets job without interview just because austrians are mostly to lazy to do em
[22:21] <Quintasan> hurr I need my parent's approval or sth like that to go to UDS if I'm a minor?
[22:22] <apachelogger> not to attend, possibly for travel though?
[22:22] <neversfelde> well, here you would need the approval to buy a ticket for the flight :)
[22:22] <apachelogger> neversfelde: in austria that even depends on the type of minorness :P
[22:22] <apachelogger> <14 parents approval, >14 no approval at all
[22:22] <neversfelde> apachelogger: yes, here, too in some cases
[22:23] <Quintasan> hmm, so it might be possible to go to UDS
[22:23] <Quintasan> yeah, dooble uploaded to ppa
[22:23] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, I'd get some consent written up in polish and english with sig of your parents
[22:23] <apachelogger> possibly both
[22:23] <apachelogger> just to be sure :)
[22:24] <Quintasan> and shitload of money
[22:24] <Quintasan> :3
[22:24] <apachelogger> oh well
[22:24] <apachelogger> once you are at UDS ScottK can probably adopt :P
[22:25] <Quintasan> well, lot's of time till UDS so things might change :O
[22:26] <apachelogger> lol
[22:26] <apachelogger> bug 430013
[22:26] <neversfelde> would someone unsubscribe release team and sponsors from bug #419465
[22:26] <apachelogger> why would someone file that as security issue
[22:26] <apachelogger> I mean cmon
[22:27]  * JontheEchidna wonders how well the gnomies would like us un-shlibdepping gtk2-engines-pixbuf for oxygen-molecule
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> prolly too late to do anything about this cycle anyways
[22:30] <claydoh_> JontheEchidna: kmymoney yay! 1.0.1 in karmic means possible backport and I won't have to keep re-learning how I packaged it up the last time for my ppa :)
[22:30] <smarter> oxygen-molecule. People really aren't originals.
[22:30] <apachelogger> in my experience pixbuffer gtk themes are one performance nightmare
[22:30] <smarter> (not to mention oxygen is an atom)
[22:30] <apachelogger> also tend to have more issues
[22:30] <neversfelde> vorian: are you around?
[22:30] <apachelogger> smarter: no snappy either way
[22:31]  * JontheEchidna wonders if pixbuf themes follow colorscheme
[22:31] <apachelogger> one shall not name themes so that they include hyphens
[22:31] <apachelogger> that is just one bad idea
[22:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I doubt it
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> QtCurve's mixed case name is bad enough
[22:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: reading the description on kde-look gave me the impression that the most recent release adopted the color settings to match KDE 4.3'2
[22:31] <apachelogger> 4.3's
[22:31] <apachelogger> so we would have to patchy that nayway
[22:31]  * apachelogger cant type anymore
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> QtCurve has nicer breadcrumbs for GTK file dialogs anyways :3
[22:32] <apachelogger> oi!
[22:32] <apachelogger> dont say nice and GTK file dialogs
[22:32] <apachelogger> in one sentence
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> lol
[22:32] <apachelogger> that is an abomination of good UI design
[22:32] <smarter> was about to say the same thing
[22:32] <Quintasan> >Estimated build start: in 2 hours
[22:32] <Quintasan> :|
[22:32] <smarter> GTK file dialogs are Evil.
[22:33] <apachelogger> the devil himself could have drafted them up :P
[22:33] <neversfelde> rofl
[22:33] <smarter> worst thing is, they've had a lot of different revisions
[22:33] <smarter> and this one is the best they could come up with
[22:34] <smarter> previous ones were just terrifying
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> speaking of ui design, I lol'd at bug 431860
[22:34]  * JontheEchidna is glad that we don't get bug reports of that nature
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> and that we don't have any package with > 500 bug reports
[22:35] <apachelogger> does that kdebluetooth upload even have a FFe?
[22:35] <smarter> I thought we pretty much gave up in having any form of bluetooth support :P
[22:36] <neversfelde> oh kbluetooth-0.4~beta1a?
[22:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: if we would I sure as hell would be all over them messing around with the reports getting all intellectual on them
[22:36] <neversfelde> or Tonios svn package?
[22:36] <apachelogger> beta1a
[22:36] <apachelogger> beta1b actually
[22:36]  * JontheEchidna notes that there is a beta1b now
[22:37] <apachelogger> in either case I did no see a FFe request
[22:37] <apachelogger> *not
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> one could consider kdebluetooth 0.3 as 0.4 alpha1 :P
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> but I do see a few new features in 0.4b1
[22:38] <apachelogger> aye
[22:38] <apachelogger> bad practise
[22:38] <apachelogger> hopefully it doesnt end up in binary new and an archive admin notices the lack of FFe
[22:38] <apachelogger> might get ugly and possibly lead to a new policy
[22:39] <apachelogger> "FeateFreezeExceptionProcessExceptionProcess"
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> new policies -- the ultimate form of torture
[22:39] <apachelogger> I shall look forward to that though
[22:39] <apachelogger> exception the exception
[22:39] <apachelogger> reminds me of french grammar :P
[22:40]  * apachelogger better gets something to drink, clearly he must be dehydrated
[22:40] <apachelogger> interesting how kdebluetooth got more bugs than -runtime
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> ^and that's after I triaged it the other day, it had like 35 before I was through with it
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> *45
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> but it still has ancient bugs that I don't have the heart to try to tell people to upgrade and test, since kdebluetooth sucks so hard
[22:45] <Quintasan> great, I was uploading it for 2h and I have to wait for another two hours to build it :S
[22:46] <apachelogger> should have done a local build I suppose?
[22:47] <Quintasan> I have done
[22:47] <apachelogger> what are the odds that the fix for bug 432378 will expose some build issue caused by either incompability with gcc or broken patch?
[22:48]  * apachelogger is afraid he might have to fix that FTBFS then -.-
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> I'm finding more and more kde3 apps that fail due to gcc
[22:48] <apachelogger> or autotools :P
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, now we have autotools version the admin/cvs.sh scripts don't know about
[22:49]  * JontheEchidna tries to remember which package that was
[22:49] <apachelogger> well, then the admin dir in the package might be incredibly old
[22:49] <apachelogger> which is a quite common case
[22:49] <apachelogger> e.g. most software created with kdevelop has ancient admin dir
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> kdevelop ships with ancient libtools magic, too
[22:50] <apachelogger> never investigated why but kdevelop always seemed to ship with a way to old admin dir
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> bug 253286
[22:50] <apachelogger> well
[22:51] <apachelogger> IMHO if development templates outdate without means to provide easy updates then something obviously failed to be antcipated in the design stage
[22:52] <apachelogger> though autotools is evil either way
[22:52] <apachelogger> oh dear
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> thing is, it ships that libtools crap as a tarball inside the source, which we can't patch
[22:52] <apachelogger> hehe
[22:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we can exchange tarball and repack
[22:53] <ScottK> Quintasan: ryanakca brought his dad to the last one.
[22:53] <apachelogger> not that I would care, since I find kdevelop3 a quite painful IDE altogether
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> any solution is cringe-inducing (due to the prescence of autohell)
[22:53] <apachelogger> anyway
[22:53] <apachelogger> all new news (i.e. news that must be)
[22:54] <apachelogger> that green bar for tarball downloads on lp
[22:54] <apachelogger> does not seem to be scaling but instead is a rather large image
[22:54] <apachelogger> if I maximize my browser the image does not fill the whole bar
[22:55] <apachelogger> so I must think it is indeed not one very small image with like 1px width but instead one very large image, yet not large enough
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> phonon in debian has some packaging fixes we want, I should merge that
[22:55] <apachelogger> no wonder lp is so slow :P
[22:55] <Quintasan> ScottK: I think bringing my older brother will be a better idea
[22:57] <apachelogger> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2ubuntu6/+build/1249989/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.kdelibs_4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2ubuntu6_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:57] <apachelogger> I
[22:57] <apachelogger> do
[22:57] <apachelogger> hate
[22:57] <apachelogger> KDE 3
[22:57] <apachelogger> like seriously
[22:57] <apachelogger> oh
[22:57] <apachelogger> I do see why though
[22:57] <apachelogger> not that it makes sense
[22:59] <Quintasan> Hmm, this idea has crossed my mind few times: why don't we add menu entries under system category like: Edit xorg.conf which uses kdesudo
[22:59] <claydoh_> apachelogger: it doesn't, but there seems to be a decent number who won't give kde4 a fair chance
[23:00] <claydoh> at least in some circles
[23:00] <apachelogger> oh well, its not KDE 3 itself, rather the technology it is using
[23:00] <claydoh> kmymoney users seem to be reluctant , thon that is just my impression
[23:00] <claydoh> from their mailing lists
[23:01] <claydoh> just one example
[23:04] <apachelogger> Quintasan: huh?
[23:04] <apachelogger> claydoh: well, there is no kmymoney for KDE 4 is there?
[23:04] <Mamarok> but it runs fine on KDE4 too :)
[23:06] <claydoh> apachelogger: in svn there is, haven't tried it yet,
[23:06] <apachelogger> well, in svn there is a lot of stuff that you do not want to use :P
[23:07] <claydoh> Mamarok: yes it does :)
[23:07] <claydoh> apachelogger: well the porting effort is very new
[23:07] <apachelogger> see
[23:08]  * apachelogger notes that one can probably watch a whole episode of the simpsons while the diff.gz for kdelibs is building
[23:09] <claydoh> but 1.0.1 is excellent
[23:14] <BUGabundo> $ kmail
[23:14] <BUGabundo> kmail: error while loading shared libraries: libindicate-qt.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[23:14] <BUGabundo> is this known?
[23:14] <BUGabundo> karmic
[23:14] <neversfelde> yes
[23:14] <BUGabundo> bug id, please
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> latest updates should fix it
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> 4.3.1-0ubuntu3
[23:16] <BUGabundo> thanks JontheEchidna
[23:16] <BUGabundo> already built?
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> yup, available from the us mirror right now
[23:16] <BUGabundo> MAIN of course :)
[23:18] <BUGabundo> JontheEchidna: downaling now. thanks
[23:19] <Quintasan> Riddelll, vorian, JontheEchidna: https://launchpad.net/~quintasan/+archive/ppa  <- amd64 in 1 hour, please test if you can and give me feedback
[23:19] <Quintasan> ^ Dooble ofc!
[23:20] <Riddelll> ofc?
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> dooble?
[23:20] <Quintasan> lol
[23:20] <Quintasan> ofc - of course
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> oic
[23:21] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: web browser which Riddelll asked me to packge :P
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> screenshots look Qt
[23:22] <Quintasan> argh
[23:22] <Quintasan> this build is actually worth nothing
[23:24] <Quintasan> urgh, such a simple mistake
[23:24] <ScottK> Quintasan: If you know how to edit xorg.conf, you know how to open a Konsole to do it.
[23:26] <BUGabundo> guys kmail boots again
[23:26] <BUGabundo> thanks
[23:26] <BUGabundo> one more question
[23:27] <BUGabundo> OLD karmic bug: anyone knows why it needs me to start it TWICE? its as if it gets stuck in background or something
[23:27] <BUGabundo> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib/kde4/kio_imap4.so
[23:27] <BUGabundo> <unknown program name>(28051)/ kdemain: IMAP4::kdemain
[23:27] <BUGabundo> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib/kde4/kio_file.so
[23:28]  * ScottK doesn't recall having that problem.
[23:28] <BUGabundo> ScottK I've had it since like alpha2
[23:43] <BUGabundo> so this doesn't ring any bells?
[23:43] <BUGabundo> I've asked around but since no one ever confirmed I never pushed a bug to LP
[23:43] <BUGabundo> plus my settings aren't the most standard
[23:43] <BUGabundo> gnome+kmail (alone)
[23:44] <neversfelde> is this bug available for another user with standard and fresh configuration?
[23:44] <BUGabundo> neversfelde: as I said, no one ever reprocudec it
[23:45] <neversfelde> BUGabundo: did you create another user and test it?
[23:45] <BUGabundo> not really
[23:45] <neversfelde> I would try it :)
[23:46] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:46] <BUGabundo> some day :)
[23:46] <BUGabundo> for now I just start it twice
[23:47] <BUGabundo> guess is kaddress book or something waiting to start