[00:00] <GobiTheGoblin> TerminX: And  I understood it was... well it's late here. lets call it that
[00:00] <GobiTheGoblin> :P
[00:00] <webbb82> what should i do  befor hardware drivers was able to find my bcm4312 broadcom wifi card but now nothing
[00:00] <TerminX> especially with all of those newer glyph caching and direct video memory pixmap placement features in the nvidia drivers
[00:00] <GobiTheGoblin> TerminX: That is quite impressive, with K7
[00:00] <webbb82> it worked in alpha5 should i just install alpha5 and do a update
[00:01] <TerminX> my friend actually wrote those driver features, and they improved web browsing here 100%
[00:01] <GobiTheGoblin> TerminX: Do you have to mod kernel in anyway?
[00:01] <TerminX> nope
[00:01] <TerminX> he's a NVIDIA driver developer
[00:01] <TerminX> :p
[00:02] <GobiTheGoblin> TerminX: Oh those connections :D
[00:02] <TerminX> that's what I meant by "my friend wrote those driver features"
[00:02] <GobiTheGoblin> TerminX: Nice to have friend like that expertise
[00:02] <TerminX> check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9nVuf6OM2g
[00:02] <TerminX> he wrote that renderer as well
[00:04] <TerminX> he's a bad, bad man
[00:04] <TerminX> hehe
[00:04] <GobiTheGoblin> TerminX: quite a wizard tough =)
[00:04] <TerminX> and of course EDuke32 is actually my project
[00:04] <GobiTheGoblin> 11 min left for ISO to dl..
[00:05] <hexa> GobiTheGoblin :D
 2009-09-17 22:18:21 (5,05 MB/s) - `karmic-desktop-i386.iso' saved [727306240/727306240]
[00:05] <hexa> like two and a half minutes
[00:05] <GobiTheGoblin> hexa: Yep. with 350kb here :D
[00:05] <hexa> vserver...
[00:05] <TerminX> link to iso?
[00:05] <TerminX> let me try it from mine
[00:06] <GobiTheGoblin> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1269004
[00:06] <hexa> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-6/karmic-desktop-i386.iso
[00:06] <GobiTheGoblin> multiple. take your pic
[00:06] <GobiTheGoblin> pick
[00:06] <GobiTheGoblin> with linux, you get always multiple options :D
[00:06] <GobiTheGoblin> I sound like a advertiser :P
[00:07] <GobiTheGoblin> well enough offtopic
[00:07] <TerminX> it's going
[00:07] <TerminX> I'll let you know when it's done
[00:08] <TerminX> 2009-09-18 01:08:15 (9.39 MB/s) - `karmic-desktop-i386.iso' saved [727306240/727306240]
[00:08] <TerminX> 74s
[00:08] <TerminX> :p
[00:08] <hexa> :)
[00:08] <TerminX> where's your server?
[00:09] <hexa> hm
[00:09] <GobiTheGoblin> nice
[00:09] <saji> Oh.. you people all have great speed.. Your net connection is good...
[00:09] <GobiTheGoblin> still 6min
[00:09] <TerminX> saji: I only get 6 Mbit/sec at home
[00:09] <TerminX> well, that's the advertised speed... about 550-600 KB/s realistically
[00:09] <hexa> TerminX germany, nuremburg
[00:10] <TerminX> aha
[00:10] <TerminX> ours is in france
[00:10] <saji> I'm getting the download speed of max 120 Kb/sec   :)
[00:10] <hexa> TerminX ovh? :P
[00:10] <GobiTheGoblin> well, one of my friends has a 100mbit connection, only one I know in my town.
[00:10] <saji> Me in India.
[00:10] <hexa> at home i got 1,9 MB/s down, 120 kB/s up
[00:11] <GobiTheGoblin> I "could" get it, if the appartment owner would agree to pay for connecting it
[00:11] <GobiTheGoblin> I have to move, different appartment
[00:11] <saji> hexa, that's great...
[00:11] <webbb82> ok i restarted my computer and it found the wifi driver but i thin k i know what caused it not to work i got a gdm crash when it was lookin for drivers
[00:11] <hexa> saji actually i don't like it
[00:11] <hexa> I would like some more upload
[00:11] <saji> hexa, why? slow for you?
[00:11] <TerminX> I want more upload too
[00:11] <saji> ph..ok... got that..
[00:12] <hexa> well internet is mostly about sharing
[00:12] <TerminX> I can upload at 80 kB/s
[00:12] <hexa> i can download quite fast, but can't share fast at all
[00:12] <saji> Maybe they have other plans for upload intensive customers like you...:)
[00:12] <TerminX> there isn't shit I can do to get bandwidth like that around here though
[00:12] <saji> I mean your ISP..
[00:12] <TerminX> wish I was in an area with fiber service
[00:12] <hexa> it is not really about filesharing
[00:12] <GobiTheGoblin> TerminX: Me too
[00:12] <hexa> it is more like you send a large email, with like 10 megs
[00:13] <hexa> and it takes you like 10 minutes to get done when your email provider tells you you may not upload that large files
[00:13] <hexa> it has nothing to do with comfort
[00:13] <GobiTheGoblin> hexa: Or try to upload 500megs of video,..
[00:13] <saji> Here max download rate is in 120-130Kbps... You're so lucky...
[00:13] <hexa> yeah or streaming
[00:13] <GobiTheGoblin> hexa: with came from 30min of taping
[00:13] <hexa> or pushing ubuntu torrents for that matter
[00:13] <hexa> impossible to do
[00:13] <GobiTheGoblin> hexa: from a cell phone
[00:14] <GobiTheGoblin> ywa
[00:14] <GobiTheGoblin> yea
[00:14] <hexa> ^.^
[00:14] <webbb82> i just got another weird crash it said ,, application "mission controll 5" crashed unexpecting
[00:14] <webbb82> whats mission controll 5
[00:14] <GobiTheGoblin> webbb82: Full install or update?
[00:14] <saji> !mission controll 5
[00:15] <webbb82> i just did a full install
[00:15] <GobiTheGoblin> gotta log out
[00:15] <GobiTheGoblin> bb all for a while
[00:16] <Michalxo> webbb82, telepathy
[00:17] <Michalxo> if I am not mistaken
[00:18] <webbb82> Michalxo, it was when i started emmpathy   , can anyone els get empathy to go off "hidden" no matter what i do i cant get it to change from status hidden
[00:18] <Michalxo> webbb82, makes sense then :)
[00:18]  * Michalxo is installing empathy for webbb82 
[00:19] <Michalxo> off "hidden"?
[00:19] <Michalxo> you mean go to tray?
[00:19] <Michalxo> works fine for me if so
[00:19] <webbb82> Michalxo, ya the icon in the tray stays on hidden
[00:20] <Michalxo> went to hiddne too
[00:20] <Michalxo> yep, works ok here
[00:20] <Michalxo> empathy:  Installed: 2.27.92-1ubuntu2
[00:20] <webbb82> it will only let me change the statud to offline,  in the tray that is
[00:22] <Michalxo> works fine here
[00:22] <Michalxo> gn!
[00:22] <webbb82> hmm i wonder why im the only one when i right click on the icon in the tray and change my status to available it stays on hidden
[00:26] <Pretto> is there a way to change karmic login screen?
[00:26] <NoelJB> hexa, I use them to install VMs.  In any event, be back (much) later.
[00:28] <GobiTheGoblin> hope that partition part of installation works =)
[00:31] <IdleOne> so what are the results of update-manager at this point?
[00:31] <AirBender> Pretto: I think this screen should change in the near future, as it looks pretty ugly compared to the new sexy xsplash screen
[00:31] <GobiTheGoblin> works :D
[00:32] <hexa> actually i do like the new gdm look
[00:32] <hexa> it is much cleaner and much more usable than the old stuff
[00:32] <Pretto> AirBender, I mean that theres no way to use a custom one since "login screen" util removed that feature
[00:33] <GobiTheGoblin> I try this netbook remix =)
[00:33] <TerminX> it looks like crap here since I uninstalled the human theme on account of never using it :D
[00:33] <TerminX> (and couldn't find a way to change the gtk theme used for gdm)
[00:33] <TerminX> is there a way to configure that yet?
[00:33] <Pretto> xsplash rox
[00:33] <GobiTheGoblin> button for back to default would be nice too :D
[00:33] <hexa> there is none yet iirc
[00:35] <Pretto> the /etc/gdm /custom.conf seems not to work too
[00:37] <Pretto> by the way, my touchpad click doesnt work after the login scree, how to fix that?
[00:39] <tuxy> how does one add an account in empathy
[00:40] <AirBender> F4 I think...
[00:40] <phoenixz> Im using kubuntu 9.10 last alpha, X is slurping some >90% of my CPU and even moving a window in a circel over the screen takes like 5 seconds to do... What is the problem (and possibly, fix) with this?
[00:41] <phoenixz> I have yakuake, which is really cool to use as shell but with current X at continuous 90%, it takes like 15 seconds to come down..
[00:42] <phoenixz> Is there some driver update I could try? or X setting maybe? Because all this seems eerie similar to 9.04 with its sluggish X thanks to Intel messing up their driver...
[00:42] <hexa> phoenixz probably your graphics driver?
[00:42] <hexa> they didnt mess it up
[00:42]  * phoenixz would think that they could have fixed that after 6 months already
[00:43] <hexa> you could read the release notes before flaming the channel for some alpha version
[00:43] <phoenixz> hexa: no, they rebuild it, better, etc, but since it doesn't work yet, its a mess to me..
[00:43] <phoenixz> hexa: Sorry, my bad, not wanting to flame here
[00:43] <hexa> so why didnt u stick with a working version?
[00:43] <hexa> nvm
[00:43] <phoenixz> hexa: because 9.04 had the same problem...
[00:44] <phoenixz> hexa: Actually, 9.04 had a helluvalot more problems then 9.10 alpha has right now, but the intel driver still causes lots of trouble
[00:44] <phoenixz> nvm?
[00:44] <hexa> nevermind
[00:45] <phoenixz> hexa: Anyway, fix for that was installing 2.6.40 kernel (2.6.28 was the actual one) from PPA and make some modifications here and there.. Just wondering if there is something similar for 9.10
[00:45] <hexa> 2.6.40? :)
[00:46] <phoenixz> hexa: my bad, 2.6.30 :)
[00:46] <hexa> as they stated it is rather a work in progress
[00:46] <phoenixz> But as I understand it, there isn't anything yet then?
[00:46] <tuxy> having nothing but issues in alpha 6
[00:47] <hexa> thats why they call it an alpha version
[00:47] <phoenixz> let me put it like this.. Will this be fixed for the final release? Because with 9.04 it wasn't... pulse also wasn't, etc. NOT flaming here, just saying that the 9.04 version was very problematic with intel and pulse and some other stuff
[00:48] <phoenixz> Just would not want to see the same happening to 9.10
[00:48] <tuxy> well they seem to be similar to alpha
[00:48] <tuxy> phoenixz, pulse audio is a nightmare in my opinion
[00:48] <tuxy> i still cant start firefox and skype at the same time
[00:48] <tuxy> they clash
[00:48] <phoenixz> tuxy: yeah, don't really use it myself, but I recall many people having trouble with it in 9.04
[00:50] <GobiTheGoblin> n00b question: should grub be loaded on first partition?
[00:51] <phoenixz> !intel
[00:51] <phoenixz> hexa: There it is!
[00:51] <phoenixz> hexa: I had that line added back then :)
[00:52] <hexa> hehe
[00:52] <tuxy> whats that crap search tool they seem to include in ubuntu?
[00:52] <hexa> well it is not canonical, nor ubuntus fault
[00:52] <hexa> it is rather intels
[00:53] <saji> yep.. The search tool is bad...
[00:53] <tuxy> whats it called
[00:53] <tuxy> im doing my post install removal of apps and i forget the name
[00:53] <GobiTheGoblin> Have you guys used that ubuntu one? good/bad?
[00:53] <tuxy> GobiTheGoblin, thx for reminding me to remove that too ;)
[00:54] <GobiTheGoblin> tuxy: =D
[00:54] <MaximLevitsky> Hi,
[00:54] <hexa> i dislike ubuntu one
[00:54] <MaximLevitsky> me too
[00:54] <hexa> it may be a nice idea, but it has this loss of privacy issue
[00:54] <saji> ubuntuone is 'ok' for me..
[00:54] <GobiTheGoblin> hexa: Yea, I was wondering that too
[00:55] <phoenixz> hexa: Never said its was canonicals fault.. I actually meant that as in Intel rewrote their driver to use UXA but just dumped the driver in the kernel while it was still not finished..
[00:55] <phoenixz> saji: isn't that the... benji thing.. the dog.. ehh.... beagle!?
[00:55] <hexa> yeah well that is what is happening most around here (linux)
[00:55] <hexa> public beta testing
[00:55] <hexa> tracker or beagle
[00:55] <phoenixz> hexa: whats ubuntu one\/
[00:56] <phoenixz> ?
[00:56] <MaximLevitsky> Yestarday, I have opened this bugreport
[00:56] <hexa> like dropbox
[00:56] <MaximLevitsky> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/431055
[00:56] <saji> phoenixz, ya its beagle....
[00:57] <MaximLevitsky> Is here anybody that his cdrom works (maybe didn't do an recent update)
[00:57] <tuxy> umm i know grub got updated but where do i update menu.lst
[00:57] <saji> !ubuntuone
[00:57] <hexa> my cd drive is fine :P
[00:57] <hexa> ubuntu just isnt
[00:57] <MaximLevitsky> hexa: could you insert a disk, and tell me what you see in gnome-disk-utility?
[00:57] <MaximLevitsky> (Palimpset)
[00:58] <saji> phoenixz, ubuntuone is an online file histing service for ubuntu users...
[00:58] <hexa> i have upgraded to the latest versions :)
[00:59] <MaximLevitsky> hexa: is your cdrom external or internal?
[00:59] <hexa> internal
[00:59] <arand> Is tochpad tap-to-click currently on or off by default?
[01:00] <tuxy> was off for me
[01:00] <MaximLevitsky> arand: don't know, but if it will, it will loose many users that just 'had it'
[01:01] <MaximLevitsky> hexa: could you tell me what g-d-u shows below CD/DVD driver?
[01:01] <MaximLevitsky> drive
[01:02] <arand> I know, upstream it default to off, in the source package there is a patch to rever that, but reading on the forums and one bug report seems to suggest that it is intended as off by def... I'm a bit confused at that...
[01:02] <hexa> where do i get that from? :D
[01:02] <hexa> nvm
[01:03] <MaximLevitsky> hexa: there is a application called Disk utility in System->Administration
[01:03] <MaximLevitsky> It is also called the gnome-volume-utility
[01:03] <MaximLevitsky> or by its 'native' name palimpseset'
[01:04] <MaximLevitsky> palimpsest
[01:04] <arand> I guess I'll just have to boot a daily and find out...
[01:04] <hexa> got it
[01:04] <hexa> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/25014/screenshot_114_74763U.png
[01:05] <saji> Ya.. Disk utility is one Application that Ubuntu always lacked..
[01:05] <MaximLevitsky> hexa: could you put in another disk, maybe ubuntu install disk or so
[01:05] <saji> Its a very good idea...
[01:05] <hexa> puh
[01:05] <hexa> i may search for one
[01:06] <hexa> give me a sec
[01:07] <hexa> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/25015/screenshot_115_Sh9iXg.png
[01:07] <hexa> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/25016/screenshot_117_O1eG1X.png
[01:09] <TerminX> hey, I use that theme
[01:09] <TerminX> only with much smaller fonts :p
[01:09] <MaximLevitsky> hexa: thank you very much!
[01:09] <hexa> your welcome
[01:10] <MaximLevitsky> hexa: mine shows 'unrecognized'
[01:10] <MaximLevitsky> and DVD-ROM disk
[01:10] <hexa> :>
[01:10] <hexa> i wanted to watch a dvd now
[01:10] <hexa> and it automounts
[01:10] <hexa> but i have no sound :)
[01:10] <Raydiation> hi guys
[01:10] <Raydiation> alpha 6 working?
[01:10] <Raydiation> im bored
[01:11] <hexa> so go to sleep :P
[01:11] <MaximLevitsky> hexa: try alsamixer in console
[01:11] <Raydiation> maybe i try to upgrade^^
[01:11] <hexa> MaximLevitsky what about it?
[01:11] <hexa> the volumes are up
[01:11] <hexa> it is just that pulseaudio won't detect the devices
[01:11] <crimsun> hexa: sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[01:11] <crimsun> pastebin, please.
[01:12] <TerminX> is pulseaudio worth installing yet
[01:12] <hexa> crimsun empty
[01:12] <MaximLevitsky> hexa: then if you want to watch the movie, just switch to alsa
[01:12] <MaximLevitsky> temporarly
[01:12] <crimsun> hexa: killall pulseaudio; pulseaudio -vvvv -D
[01:12] <hexa> http://pastebin.com/d7656e101
[01:13] <crimsun> guys/gals, i need debugging output to fix these PA issues. Simply saying things are broken DOESN'T help.
[01:13]  * pmatulis is looking at man page for package 'software-store'
[01:13] <hexa> http://pastebin.com/d5538c5a7 (LANG=C)
[01:13] <hexa> pmatulis orly?
[01:14] <hexa> it is boring as hell i suppose
[01:14] <pmatulis> just a shell for something to come
[01:14] <hexa> just like any other manpage
[01:14] <hexa> we really need something new, manpages are getting old :)
[01:15] <crimsun> hexa: i see you're also hitting the module-rtp* bugs; i just uploaded a fix for that to the ubuntu-audio-dev PPA
[01:15] <hexa> crimsun give me a sec then
[01:15] <[31d1]> manvideos
[01:15]  * pmatulis needs to reboot after the latest round
[01:15] <crimsun> hexa: in the meantime, killall pulseaudio; mv ~/.pulse ~/.pulse-old; pulseaudio -vvvv
[01:15] <crimsun> hexa: if you don't already have pavucontrol installed, please install it and check the Configuration tab
[01:15] <hexa> i have
[01:16] <MaximLevitsky> this won't help
[01:16] <MaximLevitsky> I: module-udev-detect.c: Found 0 cards.
[01:16] <hexa> I assure you, i do have soundcards in this machine :P
[01:16] <MaximLevitsky> hexa: and I do belive you :-)
[01:17] <hexa> http://pastebin.com/d4bd23bd
[01:17] <hexa> here we go
[01:17] <hexa> with the ubuntu-audio-dev packages
[01:17] <hexa> still only got a "Dummy Output"
[01:18] <hexa> D: module-zeroconf-publish.c: Successfully created entry group for mweinelt@mweinelt-desktop: Dummy Output.
[01:18] <hexa> so nice of pulseaudio to publish my dummy output :)
[01:18] <crimsun> hexa: you don't have the latest
[01:18] <crimsun> they haven't even built yet
[01:18] <hexa> ok
[01:18] <crimsun> hexa: in the mean time, did you use the mv command above?
[01:18] <tuxy> firefox 3.5 is quite fast isn't it?
[01:18] <hexa> i did
[01:18] <Raydiation> any time schedule for beta?
[01:18] <hexa> tuxy try midori and redefine fast please
[01:19] <MaximLevitsky> tuxy: winthout tracemonkey on 64 bit... grrrr...
[01:19] <tuxy> hexa the m$ os?
[01:19] <hexa> tuxy no the browser, which was there before the os actually
[01:20] <tuxy> faster than dillo ?
[01:20] <tuxy> ;)
[01:20] <hexa> try it ;)
[01:20] <hexa> it is awesomely fast imo
[01:20] <milosz2> hey
[01:20] <hexa> though there is much work to do
[01:20] <milosz2> II've just done a dist-upgrade on Karmic and can't boot
[01:20] <hexa> uses webkit, very fast js engine
[01:20] <crimsun> hexa: unload module-udev-detect and reload it
[01:20] <milosz2> there are a lot of errors related to udev and that the filesystem is read-only
[01:21] <crimsun> hexa: if that still doesn't work, unload module-udev-detect and load module-detect
[01:21] <milosz2> I tried booting without the ro flag, but it doesn't help
[01:21]  * pmatulis survived the reboot
[01:21] <milosz2> pmatulis: how?
[01:22] <milosz2> I just upgraded, and it didn't boot anymore
[01:22] <hexa> uses webkit, very fast js engine
[01:22] <hexa> crimsun module-detect seems to work
[01:22] <pmatulis> well, it just rebooted!
[01:22] <milosz2> pmatulis: did you upgrade before the reboot?
[01:22] <pmatulis> and the new splash screen is awesome!
[01:22] <crimsun> hexa: so there's some race between udev and module-udev-detect; that bug is known
[01:23] <hexa> yeah sound is back
[01:23] <pmatulis> milosz2: yes, updated just prior to reboot
[01:23] <FloridaGuy> where can i net the net install for 9.10
[01:25] <pmatulis> net the net?
[01:26] <hexa> crimsun thanks for the assistance :)
[01:26] <crimsun> np
[01:26] <milosz2> what is the default runlevel when Ubuntu boots up?
[01:27] <FloridaGuy> pmatulis: i dont use the livecd's....i use the netinstall or bootcd witch ever ubuntu calls it
[01:27] <milosz2> i'll try booting again
[01:28] <crimsun> $ runlevel
[01:28] <crimsun> N 2
[01:28] <crimsun> ^^ milosz2
[01:28] <milosz2> 2
[01:28] <milosz2> ok
[01:28] <crimsun> (same as Debian)
[01:28] <milosz2> can I get a list of /etc/rc2.d/ from someone?
[01:28] <Pici> !runlevel
[01:28] <milosz2> I think I might have scr*** up something in there
[01:28] <hexa> http://pastebin.com/d1851e8a5
[01:28] <hexa> milosz2
[01:29] <pmatulis> hexa: i missed some scrollback, what fixed your sound?
[01:29] <hexa> pmatulis changing from module-udev-detect to module-detect in pa
[01:29] <milosz2> thanks hexa
[01:29] <milosz2> looks not much like mine
[01:29] <hexa> :D
[01:29] <milosz2> of course I don't run the same stuff, but some entries make me suspicious
[01:30] <hexa> it shoudlnt look like yours
[01:30] <pmatulis> hexa: pa?  pulseaudio?  how?
[01:30] <hexa> pmatulis edit /etc/pulse/default.pa
[01:30] <milosz2> is there any way I can restore /etc/rc*.d directories to what they should be?
[01:30] <pmatulis> hexa: thanks
[01:30] <FloridaGuy> anyone know where to download the net installer from for 9.10
[01:30] <hexa> pmatulis crimsun is to thank ;)
[01:30] <hexa> milosz2 what did you do to it?
[01:31] <hexa> FloridaGuy there is none?
[01:31] <milosz2> hexa: I removed some services from starting but it was only stuff like freevo, mysql, postgresql.. basically things I didn't need anymore
[01:32] <milosz2> I just removed those with apt-get
[01:32] <GobiTheGoblin> I could use some help...
[01:32] <hexa> milosz2 you should remove them via the package manager
[01:32] <FloridaGuy> hexa: yeah there is.. i had it for alpha3 i use use it for 9.04
[01:32] <GobiTheGoblin> anyone willing to take a shop. Regards grub
[01:32] <hexa> so what are the issues? @ milosz2
[01:32] <GobiTheGoblin> shop* shot
[01:32] <milosz2> hexa: When it boots, I get a ton of errors from udev relating to that the filesystem is read-only
[01:32] <hexa> milosz2 tons of errors is not very accurate
[01:33] <hexa> milosz2 if you can boot into the maintenance mode try and install ubuntu-desktop meta-package
[01:33] <milosz2> well it's hard to be accurate, it's during the startup where I can't exactly make a screenshot or anything
[01:33] <milosz2> I can't boot into maintenance mode
[01:33] <hexa> so do a reinstall :P
[01:33] <milosz2> reinstall
[01:33] <pmatulis> hexa: what sound chipset was fixed?
[01:34] <milosz2> hexa: How?
[01:34] <milosz2> with an install DVD?
[01:34] <hexa> pmatulis i believe it has nothing to do with the chipset at that point
[01:34] <hexa> milosz2 or CD
[01:35] <milosz2> oh well, great
[01:35] <pmatulis> hexa: randomly people lose sound and this workaround may help?
[01:35] <milosz2> that will mean going back to alpha 6
[01:35] <hexa> pmatulis give it a shot
[01:35] <hexa> i can't really tell
[01:35] <milosz2> does someone know whether I can burn a CD image onto a DVD?
[01:36] <hexa> milosz2 what does going back to alpha6 mean? it is the current version
[01:36] <milosz2> I only have blank DVDs right now, no blank CD-Rs
[01:36] <pmatulis> hexa: modify file and restart pa?
[01:36] <hexa> yes
[01:37] <hexa> remember, you don't restart pa over init.d, but use pulseaudio -k
[01:37] <hexa> it may autorestart a few moments later i suppose
[01:37] <milosz2> thank god I have a 32MBit/s connection
[01:37] <hexa> if not use pulseaudio -D
[01:37] <hexa> milosz2 so download the dvd image
[01:37] <hexa> just to be sure
[01:38] <FloridaGuy> anyone know where the link for the 9.10 net installer iso is
[01:38] <hexa> FloridaGuy there is NONE
[01:38] <hexa> why should there be one
[01:38] <hexa> when has there been one
[01:39] <hexa> this is not debian
[01:39] <FloridaGuy> hexa: i just said i used it for alpha3 and i do net install on 9.04
[01:39] <hexa> officially there is Desktop, Alternate, Server and UNR
[01:39] <milosz2> "Warning: This image is oversized (which is a bug) and will not fit onto a single-sided single-layer DVD. However, you may still test it using a larger USB drive or a virtual machine."
[01:40] <pmatulis> hexa: thanks
[01:40] <hexa> so i don't really know what you used
[01:40] <milosz2> that's what it says on the DVD download page
[01:40] <hexa> milosz2 thats a pity
[01:42] <milosz2> i'm gonna burn the CD image onto a DVD
[01:44] <test34> milosz2, yeah I had this problem too before, it should let you burn a CD on a blank DVD..
[01:44] <test34> it's a stupid "protection"
[01:44] <test34> or a bug
[01:45] <milosz2> I'll need to do it on Windows
[01:45] <milosz2> I'm on 7.10 LiveCD right now
[01:45] <milosz2> but I can't install anything
[01:45] <milosz2> it seems gutsy is not supported on the servers anymore
[01:45] <milosz2> when I run apt-get update, I just get a row of 404's
[01:45] <hexa> i am gonna get some sleep now, bye
[01:45] <milosz2> nite hexa
[01:45] <hexa> yeah that is because it is unsupported
[01:45] <hexa> reached EOL
[01:45] <milosz2> yeah so I am ******
[01:46] <milosz2> gonna burn it on windows
[01:52] <FloridaGuy> hexa: its call netboot
[01:53] <FloridaGuy> hexa: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[01:53] <MaximLevitsky> hexa: could I ask you for additonal piece of debug output?
[02:39] <milosz2> hey
[02:39] <milosz2> quick question, the "desktop" ISO is the LiveCD?
[02:40] <AirBender> yeap
[02:41] <milosz2> AirBender: and it includes an installer?
[02:41] <Cynthia> My Karmic Alpha 5 live CD was working, until I tried to reinstall it on the hard drive. I'm stuck using cdrecord and irssi :/
[02:42] <Cynthia> Burning Alpha 6 after blanking my CD-RW, hopefully, so the above is not a request for help yet :)
[02:42] <AirBender> milosz2: yes it does
[02:42] <milosz2> ok thanks
[02:42] <milosz2> need to restart Firefox
[02:45] <milosz2> God I really need a working system
[02:46] <milosz2> I swear to never mess with it again
[02:46] <AirBender> Cynthia: do you mean that your live Cd is dead?
[02:46] <AirBender> haha
[02:47] <Cynthia> *AirBender: Looks like it - though the LiveCD itself *did* start properly, and installed properly after a reformat of /dev/sda5, but then I don't have X anymore
[02:47] <AirBender> uhh... sh*t happens
[02:48] <milosz2> triple frak
[02:49] <AirBender> and what happened to you milosz2 ?
[02:49] <milosz2> oh
[02:49] <milosz2> well, I upgraded with dist-upgrade
[02:49] <milosz2> and then the system wouldn't boot anymore
[02:49] <milosz2> not even in rescue mode, or in single-user
[02:49] <AirBender> mm
[02:49] <AirBender> was this today?
[02:49] <milosz2> it was very freaky, with a billion errors from udev about the / drive being mounted read-only
[02:49] <milosz2> it was about 2 hours ago
[02:50] <AirBender> and running fsck and rebooting didn't work...
[02:50] <milosz2> nope, there was nothing to fsck
[02:51] <milosz2> it reported clean
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> milosz2:  i had issues also.  earlier today
[02:51] <milosz2> Dr_Willis: any way you solved them?
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> for the fsck stuff.. it was due to the dates/timestamps.. in the bios i set the clock ahead a day. :) and that let it boot
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> then i did updates/upgrades again.. and that seems to corrected the issue
[02:52] <milosz2> hmm
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> SOmthing to do with utc/local time  and the ext3/4 setting the time with the wrong one.. or somtning from what i recall in the bug report.
[02:53] <milosz2> redownloading the desktop ISO
[02:53] <AirBender> but this problem is easy to workaround doing fsck and rebooting
[02:53] <milosz2> at times like these I can only hug my 32MBit connection
[02:53] <milosz2> no this was different
[02:53] <milosz2> I'm not a beginner with Linux at all
[02:53] <Deathvalley122> hey anyone here
[02:54] <milosz2> I don't *exactly* know what the problem was, but it was nothing related to timestamps or to an fsck problem
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> It wanted to fsck every time i rebooted AirBender  :) since it wouild fsck.. then set the wrong time.. :) endless cycle. but i think they fixed it.
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> milosz2:  you could boot live cd. chroot into the installed system and see if you can update/upgrade from that.
[02:54] <milosz2> i tried that
[02:54] <milosz2> but there were no new updates available
[02:54] <Deathvalley122> if so how do I fix my compiz in karmic?
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> Im out of ideas then. :)
[02:55] <milosz2> Dr_Willis: at the moment, I'm downloading an ISO for reinstalling
[02:55] <milosz2> I already cleaned the partition from everything but /home
[02:57] <Lars_G> Any ideas on how to get a tablet working with the new configless xorg?
[02:58] <milosz2> you still CAN provide an xorg.conf
[02:58] <Lars_G> hmmm
[02:58] <milosz2> it won't be ignored
[02:58] <Lars_G> can I skip screen sections?
[02:58] <milosz2> well that is a good question
[02:58] <Lars_G> I want just to define the input section for the tablet
[02:58] <milosz2> I know what you mean
[02:58] <milosz2> But to that I don't really know the answer
[02:58] <Lars_G> ok
[02:58] <milosz2> I recently provided a full xorg.conf file with everything because of some details I had to provide
[02:59] <milosz2> just to make sure, I put in everything
[02:59] <Lars_G> did you write it by hand?
[02:59] <Lars_G> or has any config program help?
[02:59] <milosz2> no I based it on what the nvidia installer generated
[02:59] <Lars_G> hmm
[02:59] <Lars_G> ok
[02:59] <Lars_G> thanks
[03:00] <milosz2> ok time to reobot
[03:00] <milosz2> boot*
[03:00] <milosz2> bbiaf i hope
[03:07] <Lars_G> I wonder if there's not any way to do this without making an xorg.conf
[03:07] <Lars_G> is this feature karmik new? or present in jaunty?
[03:08] <AirBender> If I don't missunderstand you, it's already in jaunty
[03:08] <Cynthia> Lars_G: You mean automatic xorg configuration?
[03:08] <Cynthia> for graphics, anyway
[03:10] <webbb82> i got alpha 6 installed and everything runs good but when i boot the computer on  i see something that says unknown symlink and it says it a few times then logs in
[03:10] <webbb82> whats a unknown symlink
[03:11] <Cynthia> webbb82: Apparently you don't need to worry about that - but if the question still stands, it means that a link on the computer points to a non-existent file
[03:11] <Lars_G> Cynthia: for input
[03:11] <Cynthia> Lars_G: keyboards and mice get detected without a xorg.conf, I don't know about much else
[03:11] <webbb82> oh ok
[03:11] <Lars_G> So if the tablet is not being detected...
[03:12] <Lars_G> oh wait
[03:12] <Cynthia> ... you probably need to write an input stanza in an xorg.conf, the location is /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:12] <Lars_G> it IS being detected but it's not working right
[03:12] <webbb82> Cynthia, thank you  and mite i add the splash screen is very nice looking
[03:12] <Lars_G> unless.
[03:12] <Cynthia> but I've never used a tablet, so I can't say
[03:12] <AirBender> Lars_G: I think this change is related to the gnome-display-properties...
[03:13] <Cynthia> webbb82: I haven't seen alpha6's splash screen yet :p I'm burning the CD from a hosed Alpha5 install from the console
[03:13] <Lars_G> Cynthia: a) can i write ONLYE the input stanza? and b) is there any way I can modify xorg to improve detection? I wonder if this is based on xorg source, or helper scripts
[03:13] <Cynthia> will check in a bit
[03:13] <milosz2> well, great
[03:13] <milosz2> the desktop ISO sets the wrong mode for my screen
[03:14] <Cynthia> Lars_G: Yes, you can write only the input stanza; the rest will still get detected automatically when Xorg starts
[03:14] <test34> Cynthia, has the cd-rom bug been fixed?
[03:14] <milosz2> is there any way to fix that?
[03:14] <Cynthia> Lars_G: this is a new Xorg version that can detect things, not a helper script
[03:14] <Cynthia> test34: No
[03:14] <milosz2> i.e. specify the graphics mode it should start with?
[03:14] <milosz2> I have a DFP connected via VGA, sadly not DVI
[03:15] <milosz2> and the desktop ISO gets the mode wrong when starting into X
[03:15] <milosz2> I tried to choose Safe Graphics Mode, but it doesn't help
[03:15] <Lars_G> so it's code based
[03:15] <Lars_G> I can write the input stanza right now, and someday try to help with the source
[03:15] <Cynthia> test34: At least not that I could test. I tried on the latest updated packages (from Alpha6) to burn with Brasero and couldn't. Therefore I'm back in Alpha5.
[03:16] <webbb82> the new splash screen has a nice small ubuntu logs with a blueish grey background really nice
[03:16] <milosz2> can someone help me with the graphics mode?
[03:17] <milosz2> any way I can tell X on the installer CD to use a specific mode?
[03:18] <test34> Cynthia, just tried to insert a CD, still doesn't get auto-mounted.. I'll try a reboot
[03:20] <AirBender> milosz2: don't you have and old xorg.conf backup?
[03:21] <test34> webbb82, the new splash does look nice, but doesn't it look like the colors are too faded?
[03:22] <test34> when I boot I get a: fsck.ntfs not found error
[03:22] <milosz2> AirBender: Nope, but I could write one
[03:22] <milosz2> AirBender: how could I use it?
[03:23] <milosz2> I mean, when booting the LiveCD
[03:23] <milosz2> how could I supply an xorg.conf oO
[03:24] <milosz2> god
[03:24] <milosz2> here goes another ISO
[03:24] <milosz2> it's my last medium
[03:24] <milosz2> if this doesn't work, i'm fscked
[03:25] <milosz2> I mean, it kinda has to work
[03:25] <TerminX> bye bye 6 months uptime
[03:25] <milosz2> there's not much more I can do right
[03:25] <TerminX> damn you upstart
[03:26] <webbb82> test34, i like it
[03:26] <webbb82> i only got that splash screen after i did a update
[03:27] <AirBender> it's really sexy, but I would like to see a Raytraced xsplash
[03:27] <AirBender>  ascene like that could be a lot more realistic
[03:27] <AirBender> a scene*
[03:36] <DanaG> It's not good to put stuff in xorg.conf for input... it'll get lost on vt-switch or suspend/resume.
[03:36] <DanaG> Instead, use HAL fdi files.
[03:36] <AirBender> he's gone
[03:36] <AirBender> but good to know
[03:38] <wastrel> hi
[03:42] <TerminX> anyone played with con kolivas' brain fuck scheduler yet?
[03:43] <Nafai> I have it running on my phone
[03:43] <Nafai> Someone else did the patching though :)
[03:43] <TerminX> how is it?
[03:44] <Nafai> On the G1, it's great.  Things definitely are snappier.
[03:44] <TerminX> my 6 months uptime on my desktop just went down the toilet so it's time to build a new kernel
[03:44] <TerminX> and I have some ancient hardware so I could definitely benefit
[03:44] <TerminX> I used ck's patchsets back with kernel 2.4 for a long time... he always did good work, pity it was never "good enough" for the mainline kernel
[03:47] <TerminX> I was kind of irritated when he finally got pissed and stopped making the patches sometime around 2.6.2x... had to switch to the vastly more unstable -mm patches which were apparently also discontinued (haven't seen a new one in ages)
[03:52] <xmnt> alpha6 ... so nice
[03:53] <wastrel> i'm upgrading my koala
[03:53] <wastrel> i have a g1
[03:53] <wastrel> snappier eh
[03:54] <xmnt> yes, much nicer
[03:54] <xmnt> i was on alpha2 and it had ... well some issues
[03:54] <xmnt> maybe I'm lucky but I can't complain about anything sofar
[03:55] <wastrel> my thing wants me to reboot now, is it going to work?
[03:56] <xmnt> your reboot?
[03:57] <wastrel> yeah
[03:57] <wastrel> it didn't work last time :]
[03:58] <AirBender> worked for me a couple of times today...
[03:58] <xmnt> wastrel, just imagine it working and it will
[03:59] <xmnt> flash is def. giving my quad core a workout
[04:00] <xmnt> damn, first snag
[04:08] <wastrel> compiz is crashing but otherwise unremarkable
[04:10] <xmnt> chromium+flash looks great but seems to have an issue w/ not playing vids past 2:49
[04:10] <xmnt> hmm maybe a reboot will fix it
[04:12] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[04:13] <ShapeShifter499> I did an update but did not see a lot of package updates, how do I tell if my ubuntu system got upgraded from alpha 5 to 6?
[04:21] <DanaG> yargh, stupid slow boot.
[04:22] <xmnt> waa.. trying to download opera ... says they exceeded their bandwidth
[04:25] <DanaG> http://picpaste.com/EliteBook-karmic-20090917-2.png
[04:30] <DanaG> Anyone know how to speed up my boot?
[04:30] <xmnt> not sure, i'm not having any problems w/ that
[04:31] <TerminX> jcastro: ping
[04:36] <JanC> DanaG: first boot after an upgrade or noet?
[04:37] <JanC> *not
[04:37] <DanaG> Nope, not the first.
[04:37] <JanC> because first boot the sreadahead does some profiling if I understand correctly
[04:38] <JanC> (maybe it does after installing certain stuff too?  duno...)
[04:41] <DanaG> hmm, I wonder... can the c-media oxygen driver handle hot-unplugging?
[04:41] <DanaG> http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=397667&page=48
[04:41] <DanaG> I could stick a sound card in that.
[04:48] <jcastro> TerminX: pong
[04:53] <TerminX> jcastro: hey dude, been forever
[04:53] <jcastro> yeah long time man
[04:53] <jcastro> what's up?
[04:53] <TerminX> a whole lot of nothing
[05:00] <andresmh> I have Alpha 5 installed and I have not run any updates but I would like to run aptitude upgrade now. I read that two days ago there was a massive breakage, is that problem solved? Is it "safe" to do an upgrade?
[05:02] <test34> andresmh, should be safe
[05:02] <test34> andresmh, (but still could brake)
[05:02] <andresmh> awesome test34, did you do it?
[05:02] <test34> break
[05:02] <test34> andresmh, I did
[05:03] <andresmh> from alpha 5 to alpha 6?
[05:03] <test34> I have the latest and greatest
[05:03] <xmnt> andersk, I went from alpha2 to alpha6 ... no complaints here except w/ flash video not cooperating
[05:03] <xmnt> some minor asthetic flaws
[05:04] <test34> I didnt go from 5 to 6.. probably 5.1 to 5.2 to 5.3 to 5.4 etc...
[05:04] <andresmh> xmnt, adobe flash?
[05:04] <andresmh> what asthetic flaws?
[05:04] <test34> andresmh, there is still many small bugs
[05:04] <xmnt> yes, for me flash buttons ... like hulu fullscreen button doesn't work - vimeo does and it looks really nice
[05:05] <xmnt> youtube no fullscreen
[05:05] <andresmh> xmnt, did hulu work when you had alpha 2?
[05:05] <xmnt> i got it to work somehow ... can't remember how though
[05:05] <test34> fullscreen works for me on youtube (and every others that I tried)
[05:06] <xmnt> i think it was something w/ right clicking and disabling hardware acceleration
[05:06] <xmnt> test34, x64 or 86?
[05:06] <andresmh> xmnt, are you using compiz?
[05:06] <test34> it also works on hulu
[05:06] <andresmh> x64 is a pain
[05:06] <test34> 32bit
[05:06] <xmnt> yeah i'm using compiz
[05:07] <andresmh> xmnt, try disabling it, it might help
[05:08] <xmnt> yeah, that worked
[05:08] <test34> for the fullscreen you can also try that: http://alexpb.com/notes/articles/2009/02/08/flash-crasheshangs-firefox-when-switching-to-fullscreen/ (I had problems before with 9.04 and this solved it)
[05:15] <GuyFromHell> So is there a process for installing karmic's UNR onto a flashdrive? it seems to be an iso and my netbook lacks one of those "cd drives"
[05:15] <andresmh> xmnt a trick for leaving compiz enabled and have "full screen" flash video is to use the zoom function in compiz to make the video bigger
[05:17] <xmnt> thats a pretty good idea, would just be nice if this would get sorted out one of these days ... seems like flash/ubuntu have had this problem since day 1 of ubuntu
[05:19] <andresmh> xmnt, yeah, there is some lack of communication between adobe and the linux world it seems
[05:19] <andresmh> at least now there's a flash player!
[05:21] <xmnt> yeah, i'm not complaining - I love linux - very rarely does this flash thing bother me, but it is a thorn
[05:26] <andresmh> the thing that bothers me is how complicated sound is
[05:26] <andresmh> pulse, alsa, oss, etc
[05:26] <xmnt> does kde have these same issues or is it just gnome
[05:26] <andresmh> it's both i think
[05:27] <xmnt> yeah the sound thing was ridiculous in 9.04 - so far working perfectly in .10
[05:27] <xmnt> picked up hd 5.1 w/ no problems - i can't think of how long it took me to configure in jaunty, sound was a nightmare
[05:28] <FloridaGuy> trying to sudo nautilus...so i can Copy libubuntulooks.so and libubuntulooks.la to /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines... and Copy the Human folder to /usr/share/themes/....and this is what happens.....    http://pastebin.com/m20f4f824
[05:39] <FloridaGuy> everyone in bed
[05:43] <r00t_ninja> the nvidia drivers interfere with xsplash
[05:43] <r00t_ninja> since i installed them i just get the nvidia logo
[05:46] <r00t_ninja> they should probably have nologo in xorg.conf enabled by default
[05:47]  * mjbrooks jumps for joy... just picked up a nice portable 500GB USB drive... now to decide on EXT4 or leave it as NTFS
[05:49] <DanaG> USB2.0 + NTFS-3G = ouchies, it's dog-slow.
[05:55] <mjbrooks> DanaG, yeah
[05:55] <DanaG> It's even dog-slow on SATA!
[05:56] <DanaG> That is, on going ntfs-3g (internal SATA) to ntfs-3g (external SATA).... it's pathetic.
[05:56] <Peddy> Where did the GDM theme-chooser window go in Karmic? I can't seem to find it.
[05:57] <mjbrooks> DanaG, I only use linux at home and I always have my 160GB if I need to share files with a windows system
[06:02] <r00t_ninja> is that splash screen going to show when you log in in the final release?
[06:03] <Peddy> I'm wondering this too, I think it's horrible...
[06:04] <r00t_ninja> yea same
[06:04] <r00t_ninja> also the splash screen is only coming in late because its still under development?
[06:05] <r00t_ninja> its not a problem with my install
[06:05] <r00t_ninja> ?
[06:12] <mjbrooks> I'm not sure what splash you are seeing as I've been avoiding updating for a bit, however some people reported losing theres due to recent issues, so what you are getting might be a placeholder
[06:12] <r00t_ninja> ok
[06:12] <r00t_ninja> thanks
[06:21] <Amaranth> r00t_ninja: usplash is not being shown, the idea is to start X fast enough that xsplash (what you are seeing) covers for it
[06:22] <Amaranth> If we can't make that happen you'll probably just get both splashes although with KMS you make not notice
[06:23] <glicks> omg!
[06:24] <glicks> i cant believe they are replacing pidgin with empathy as the default IM
[06:26] <dto> glicks: i'm happily still using pidgin :)
[06:26] <glicks> yeah me too
[06:26] <glicks> i love pidgen
[06:26] <glicks> why are they changing to empathy
[06:26] <dto> i even have a friend who uses pidgin on windows
[06:29] <glicks> although empathy seems to be further along with voice and video
[06:29] <glicks> which is nice
[06:36] <Amaranth> empathy ties in with gnome-games for multiplayer and banshee for music sharing
[06:36] <Amaranth> although I think those are both not done yet and won't be in karmic
[06:38] <ShapeShifter499> will I still be able to use pigdin as my main IM manager/client/email notifier?
[06:39] <ShapeShifter499> especially when I update to karmic final release when it comes out?
[06:39] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: You can do whatever you want.
[06:40] <ShapeShifter499> no what I mean is if I have pigdin, a kamic upgrade will not cause me to lose that client will it?
[06:44] <pwnguin> pidgin is still in karmic
[06:44] <pwnguin> it's just not default
[06:44] <glicks> yeah i know
[06:44] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: All packages will stay as same -- Any installed packages will get replaced; superseded by Karmic packages.
[06:44] <glicks> it will always be in unbuntu
[06:44] <glicks> in the repos
[06:44] <ShapeShifter499> oh good
[06:45] <ShapeShifter499> anyone know how to get a webcam working in karmic?
[06:45] <pwnguin> heh, right now i'd settle for gdm
[06:45] <ShapeShifter499> I have it installed on my acer aspire one and I can't get it working
[06:45] <ShapeShifter499> its driving me nuts
[06:46] <glicks> heh using karma early
[06:46] <glicks> i usually stay a good 3-6 months behind a distro
[06:46] <glicks> do you guys think that at some point in time Empathy will be released fro windows?
[06:46] <leaf-sheep> A real linux does not have versions. :)
[06:47] <leaf-sheep> distros*
[06:47] <pwnguin> debian's full of versions
[06:47] <ShapeShifter499> well anyone know
[06:48] <ShapeShifter499> everything on my netbook works just great under ubuntu karmic except for the built in webcam
[06:48] <glicks> ShapeShifter499, if pluging it in isnt the answer, then i dont know :)
[06:48] <ShapeShifter499> its built in
[06:48] <glicks> ShapeShifter499, is it enabled in the bios?
[06:49] <ShapeShifter499> uh I don't think there is a webcam option in the bios
[06:49] <glicks> yes there is
[06:49] <ShapeShifter499> where?
[06:49] <glicks> on my asus 1000he there is
[06:50] <ShapeShifter499> the f2 bios menu never has had one ever
[06:50] <glicks> its a bios option in one of the menus
[06:50] <glicks> or install eee-cntrl and make sure its enabled
[06:50] <ShapeShifter499> ok
[06:50] <pwnguin> hurray for chroot
[06:51] <pwnguin> it takes a super strong kind of screwup to fail so hard even chroot can't fix it. thankfully i haven't yet encountered that =/
[06:56] <ShapeShifter499> brb
[07:05] <ikonia> ok xcdfgkjhgcv has been ban dodging in #ubuntu+1 again I'm going to need freenode help due to his multiple IP addresses
[07:05] <ikonia> ooks
[07:07] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[07:07] <ShapeShifter499> I just did some googling, I did not  kubuntu had a NBR
[07:07] <ShapeShifter499> for karmic
[07:21] <ShapeShifter499> g2g
[07:21] <ShapeShifter499> bye
[07:37] <todd__> 9.10 will not set up the same as 9.04 any info?
[07:37] <todd__> i was making a home  partition
[07:40] <todd__> it works with out a home partition fine
[07:48] <DirkRaeder> Hi ... what's better: upgrade from 9.04 to karmic alpha 6? or backup the home dir and do a fresh install?
[07:49] <DirkRaeder> I know, better depends on the personal point of view ...
[07:58] <taneli> backing up home dir is always a good idea
[07:59] <taneli> especially if planning to run something called "alpha"
[08:10] <mrmcq2u> who is the official maintainer of the telepathy/empathy builds in karmic?
[08:12] <todd_> I was installing a new drive and wanted to copy over home but it will not let me set up home as I did in 9.04 I wanted a clean install but it errors each install with home but works with no home partition so this is a new change
[08:15] <eagles0513875> YAY ALPHA 6 is out :)
[08:16] <|ns|nR8> be yayy in 2 weeks when beta comes out
[08:17] <todd_> another change is I cannot format drive and erase grub2 to reinstall 9.04 or is this another trick?
[08:18] <eagles0513875> ya
[08:18] <eagles0513875> actually 24th is next week
[08:18] <eagles0513875> alpha 6 came out yesterday so next thursday will be the beta
[08:20] <|ns|nR8> even better
[08:31] <tankdriver> hi, Is it possible to recover a fully-encrypted karmic with the live-cd without installing additional software? (jaunty couldnt)
[08:31] <eagles0513875> whose on alpha 6 hows it looking anyway
[08:45] <todd_> testing now and I weird setup  but it may be me
[08:47] <todd_> seems faster but I need to reload for a duel boot test
[08:48] <Army> good evening
[08:50] <Army> I am starting a project for myself and I need a lil help, the liveCD ubuntu is based on Karmic Koala aplha6
[08:52] <mjbrooks> Army, it helps if you just toss your question out there
[08:52] <Army> I need applications that can tweak windows (with GUI preferably) change windows password, check integrity or wtvr can be found, and HDD bad sector check... anyone can help ?
[08:52] <Army> mjbrooks: I was, takes time to write it all
[08:53] <mjbrooks> There are linux based live rescue cds specifically designed to do what you ask
[08:55] <Army> mjbrooks: any idea about names ?
[08:55] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: hows alpha 6 looking
[08:55] <Army> I need applications used there to maky an Ubuntu based live CD that does that
[08:55] <Army> make*
[08:55] <eagles0513875> ?
[08:55] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, no idea yet... wanted a complete backup and had to pick up a new USB drive to fit it all
[08:56] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: going to use unettbootin to make a bootable live usb
[08:56] <mjbrooks> Army, it has to be ubuntu based?
[08:56] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, I might do that with my 160GB ocne I clear it off onto my new one
[08:57] <Army> I'm gonna make an Ubuntu based one, that's why I need the applications used there
[08:57] <eagles0513875> nice mjbrooks :)
[08:57] <ActionParsnip> Army: you can remaster the live cd
[08:57] <eagles0513875> !uck
[08:57] <eagles0513875> hehe i need to give that a try again
[08:57] <Army> ActionParsnip: meaning ?
[08:58] <ActionParsnip> Army: you can add and remove packages and settings on the livecd
[08:58] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, so if Fedora joins forces with ubuntu on that project it would be quite the acronym!
[08:58] <Army> I know, but I want to make one that already has those to be used easily
[08:58] <Army> like a rescue CD
[08:58] <eagles0513875> HAHAHAHA mjbrooks
[08:58] <Army> cause windows based live CD suck
[08:59] <eagles0513875> are they really thinking of joining forces in regards to uck
[08:59] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, no I made that up...
[08:59] <ActionParsnip> Army: has those what?
[09:00] <Army> applications
[09:00] <mjbrooks> Army, I recall Trinity rescue does virus scanning mounting of drives as USB shares and password recovery
[09:00] <Army> I will look into that mjbrooks
[09:00] <mjbrooks> Army, apps..... gparted
[09:00] <ActionParsnip> Army: then their are lots of releases based on ubuntu that can help
[09:00] <mjbrooks> uhhh
[09:00] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: Army there is also mini pe which does that as well
[09:01] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, he wants to reinvent the wheel... probably good for learning
[09:01] <ActionParsnip> Army: you can use any livecd as a rescue cd. If web connectivity is detected you can even apt-get to install apps
[09:01] <Army> lemme write these down, I'm at work, will look into those and download them and try them once I get home
[09:01] <ActionParsnip> Army: why not install to a usb stick
[09:01] <ActionParsnip> Army: you can use a rescue usb then, muc faster
[09:01] <ActionParsnip> much*
[09:01] <mjbrooks> ActionParsnip, depends on what systems he has to support,... some older one's won't boot to USB
[09:02] <ActionParsnip> mjbrooks: some dont boot cd
[09:02] <mjbrooks> ActionParsnip, true dat  ;)
[09:02] <eagles0513875> Army: you trying to create your own linux distro or something
[09:03] <mjbrooks> Army, better put it all on punch cards then to maximize it's support base
[09:03] <Army> yes
[09:04] <mjbrooks> an Army of one
[09:04] <Army> mjbrooks: My nickname is Armageddon, but im online always at home
[09:04] <Army> so I use Army when I join from work :)
[09:05] <mjbrooks> lol
[09:05] <Army> and btw, the problem around is that the connection here kinda sucks
[09:05] <Army> not kinda it sucks
[09:05] <Army> 13KB/s not stable
[09:05] <Army> so upates and installing applications take time especially when it comes to IT work
[09:06] <Army> I wanted to make a rescue CD based on Linux that does all those easily without the need of internet
[09:06] <ActionParsnip> id do it someplace faster, but you can edit the livecd to have what you want on it
[09:06] <mjbrooks> Army, there are prefab ones that already do that... google linux rescue cd windows
[09:07] <ActionParsnip> i'd just download puppy linux and use that
[09:07] <ActionParsnip> best 100Mb you'll ever download
[09:07] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, I'm looking at the updates I'll be doing once the backup is done... this might hurt
[09:08] <eagles0513875> well im in the process of creating a bootable live usb with unetbootin
[09:08] <eagles0513875> dont wanna waste any more cds
[09:08] <mjbrooks> lol
[09:08] <mjbrooks> actually... I have a 40GB lying around that would be perfect for that
[09:08] <mjbrooks> it's use;ess to me otherwise
[09:08] <Army> guys, I am doing the project not for me only, for linux illaterate
[09:09] <mjbrooks> ugh ^$$%# HP keyboard
[09:09] <Army> they dont even know one command, so I'm searching for GUI stuff to ease their work
[09:09] <mjbrooks> Army, there's prefabs for that too
[09:09] <ActionParsnip> Army: if you want the whole drive wiping their are disk scrubers on the ultimate boot cd
[09:10] <mjbrooks> UBCD is beyong the newbie audience he's targetting
[09:10]  * mjbrooks rebeer
[09:10] <ActionParsnip> why, select disk tools -> select the eraser you want, disk contents go bye bye
[09:11] <mjbrooks> ActionParsnip, He's looking for a "Fix My $#it CD" not a "OMG, the FBI is coming CD"
[09:12] <danage> serious breakage with yesterday's update: i have my home folder encrypted, and since yesterday, after the update, when i boot, it will drop to a console and that's it... something about cannot decrypt
[09:12] <bullgard4> The Jaunty update manager does not show a button to upgrade to Karmic. How can I reconfigure it in order to allow the upgrade?
[09:12] <Army> ActionParsnip: ultimate boot CD is windows based OS and doesnt work with AHCI
[09:13] <danage> bullgard4: update-manager -d
[09:13] <danage> (as root)
[09:13] <Army> so add the sudo first
[09:13] <danage> yes
[09:13] <danage> but beware, last nights update seems to have issues (^)
[09:14] <mjbrooks> when did A6 get released?
[09:14] <Army> so dont upgrade
[09:14] <jjlame> I tried ubuntu 9.10 alpha 5 last weekend but it would only make it as far as the new boot animation and it would constantly load the new animation over and over never did make it to the deskto
[09:14] <Army> yesterday
[09:14] <ActionParsnip> Army: it cant be windows based as theyd have to pay microsoft for licensing
[09:14] <Spike1506> same for me jjlame
[09:14] <Spike1506> jjlame, got ati?
[09:14] <jjlame> yep
[09:14] <Spike1506> same for me
[09:15] <jjlame> ati mobility 4570
[09:15] <Spike1506> probably a ati issue
[09:15] <ActionParsnip> Army: so it wouldnt be free as theyd need torecoop sales
[09:15] <danage> i came here to inquire whether my issue was fixed. i had good experience so far, but last night == serious breakage for me. might only occur with encrypted home folder though
[09:15] <Spike1506> i have no idea if it is fixed in alpha 6
[09:15] <Spike1506> might try it later
[09:15] <jjlame> yea probably that's what I was thinkin
[09:15] <jjlame> but yea I got alpha 6
[09:15] <danage> ah and: grub2 sucks as of now, but if you upgrade you'll keep grub1
[09:15] <Spike1506> same issue?
[09:15] <mjbrooks> hmmm... so  I should probably not apt upgrade tonight methinks
[09:15] <jjlame> im getting it as of now im gonna try it just asking before I try
[09:15] <jjlame> I haven't tried it with alpha 6 yet
[09:15] <Army> ActionParsnip: it is windows based :/ that
[09:15] <Army> ActionParsnip: it is windows based :/ that's why its cracked :D
[09:15] <Spike1506> jjlame, if it happens in alpha 6 too fill in a bug report
[09:16] <jjlame> but im gonna try the live cd very soon and find out
[09:16] <Spike1506> atm i cant test (at school)
[09:16] <jjlame> I shall
[09:16] <Spike1506> i had the same issue with the alpha 5 live cd
[09:16] <ActionParsnip> Army: then why havent microsoft sued
[09:16] <jjlame> ah
[09:16] <bullgard4> danage: Thank you.
[09:16] <jjlame> well I will come back in and let you know
[09:16] <Army> ActionParsnip: who did it ? :D nobody knows
[09:16] <Spike1506> ty
[09:17] <danage> bullgard4: you're welcome
[09:17] <Army> and I hate micro$oft and specifically windows
[09:17] <Army> so I wanna make an Ultimate boot CD with Ubuntu
[09:17] <danage> Army: theres plenty of good "boot cd" linux distros
[09:18] <danage> why reinvent the wheel?
[09:18] <ActionParsnip> Army: then you'll need to look at what UBCD offers and install apps providing that, if tey are cli based you could write asimple gui
[09:18] <ActionParsnip> Army: but +1 for danage there
[09:18] <ActionParsnip> although it can e fun to reinvent
[09:20] <jjlame> does anyone know if the new animated bootup is integrated into 9.10 I have heard they are removing plymouth
[09:21] <danage> whats an animated bootup?
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> is that officially getting put in?
[09:21] <BlackFate> jjlame, there was never plymouth in the first place
[09:21] <jjlame> ah really blackfate?
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> danage: instead of a stationary boot screen people have mde noise of some crap that aniimates to waste cpu time during boot
[09:21] <jjlame> was it ubuntu's own developed one?
[09:22] <todd_> so far alpha 6 is the same except there is a couple of sparkling lines added
[09:22] <BlackFate> jjlame, just usplash and now they put xsplash.
[09:22] <jjlame> blackfate , is xsplash still to be used in 9.10?
[09:22] <danage> yeah, i think it looks really shabby the way it is. they should get rid of it me thinks
[09:22] <BlackFate> jjlame, yes it will
[09:23] <jjlame> actionparsnip yes it is kind of redundant, but I have switched over a dozen people to ubuntu, and I notice they like they eye candy haha
[09:23] <jjlame> thanks BlackFate
[09:24] <ActionParsnip> jjlame: tell me about it, compiz as default is horrific
[09:24] <jjlame> ActionParsnip yea but hey... as long as it attracts new users its alright lol
[09:25] <ActionParsnip> i guess "omg cube desktop"
[09:25] <jjlame> haha yep and wobbly windows ooo
[09:25] <jjlame> lol
[09:25] <todd_> please no more bloat!!!!
[09:25] <jjlame> even with compiz on these days it doesn't take much ram as it did before
[09:26] <todd_> waiting to see boot speed I am alomst there!
[09:26] <jjlame> lol
[09:26] <jjlame> todd_ new alpha build?
[09:26] <todd_> yes duel boot
[09:26] <mjbrooks> I kind of enjoy the wobbly windows.... remind me I'm not in kansas any more
[09:27] <jjlame> let me know how it goes
[09:27] <jjlame> haha mjbrooks
[09:27] <todd_> it workid by its self  so now reloading
[09:27] <mjbrooks> jjlame, I swear... I get on a windows machine these days and the first thing I think is... oh noes.. compositing is broken, the windows don;t wobble
[09:28] <jjlame> haha
[09:28] <mjbrooks> jjlame, and then I realize... it IS broken, but not for lack of compositing
[09:28] <jjlame> maybe its all in my head but when I get on windows I feel like its just not going as fast not as snappy
[09:28] <jjlame> lol
[09:29] <mjbrooks> jjlame, it's not in your head
[09:29] <jjlame> I knew it!
[09:29] <jjlame> lol
[09:30] <Army> thanks all
[09:30] <mjbrooks> Windows DAS will replace Win 7  (DAS == Dog Arse Slow)
[09:30] <jjlame> lol
[09:30] <jjlame> I get on windows and suddenly I realize.. I gotta be careful what site I open up
[09:30] <jjlame> lol
[09:31] <ActionParsnip> jjlame: just remember to run spybot immunise and you should e ok-ish
[09:31] <ActionParsnip> jjlame: ubuntu viri will come
[09:31] <mjbrooks> ActionParsnip, that's a FUD myth
[09:31] <jjlame> im sure... but as quickly as things are updated if there is virus's that happen to pose any problems I think it wouldn't last long
[09:31] <Army> Trinity looks perfect so far
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> mjbrooks: well windows has all files in the same place on all systems, as does ubuntu
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> jjlame: true
[09:32] <mjbrooks> ActionParsnip, that's not why it's vulnerable
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> mjbrooks: its part
[09:32] <Army> I know why its vulnerable
[09:32] <mjbrooks> ActionParsnip, not even part
[09:33] <Army> because they started with a buggy system and kept debugging it along the way and adding stuff to it
[09:33] <Army> it became like a fat man running up a hill
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> mjbrooks: a virus is a self replicating app, so a virus can read an address ook in the standard places a user wuld store them for each mail app and replicate
[09:33] <Army> it's just saying to the consumer PLEASE KILL ME I CAN'T RUN ANYMORE
[09:34] <mjbrooks> ActionParsnip, you're presuming it could run in the first place... unlike MS, there are no friendly hooks that allow such a thing
[09:34] <ActionParsnip> mjbrooks: users click and do some cray stuff
[09:34] <Army> count with me guys, windows 95, 98, millenium, xp, vista and 7 and still the explorer crashes !
[09:34] <ActionParsnip> mjbrooks: email is a classi here
[09:34] <jjlame> Army, and still it blue screens
[09:35] <mjbrooks> Name an email client on linux that would launch an executable file
[09:35] <ActionParsnip> Army: what about 3 an 3.11 etc, you missed NT and 200 too ;)
[09:35] <Army> jjlame: the blue screen is the trademark, can't be counted :P
[09:35] <ActionParsnip> mjbrooks: its Linux, you can configure it to do anything
[09:35] <mjbrooks> ActionParsnip, if a user knows how to do that, he knows enough not to do the stupid stuff
[09:36] <ActionParsnip> mjbrooks: possibly, its assuming somewhat though
[09:36] <Army> ActionParsnip: please dont talk about 3.11, it is so far the best OS microsoft made :P
[09:36] <todd_> ubuntu need root to access maijor files unlike win--- so it wold need root access to mess up system
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> Army: 98SE for me
[09:37] <Army> not for you, for everyone, 3.11 the monothreading is the best so far among all OS M$ made
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> todd_: not access the users own data , including address book and firefox settings folder
[09:37] <jjlame1> 1 thing linux needs.. is a lot of good games more than it has currently...
[09:37] <danage> could you guys put that into some offtopic channel kthxbai
[09:37] <Army> yup
[09:38] <Army> thanks guys, later
[09:38] <jjlame1> with the opengl 3.0 3.1 ..  there should be some made with it
[09:38] <todd_> minor access yes major access no
[09:38] <ActionParsnip> jjlame1: urban terror, penumbra and frets on fire not float your boat?
[09:38] <jjlame1> yea I like these games not saying they are bad in any way
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> jjlame1: get penumbra demo, lights off, headphones on and high. good times
[09:39] <jjlame1> yea there need to be more like that
[09:39] <nocturn> Hi, I tried to install Karmic-alpha6 form the 64bit alternate CD but it failed
[09:39] <nocturn> complained about package hashes
[09:40] <ActionParsnip> nocturn: did you md5 check the iso and verify the cd once booted to?
[09:40] <nocturn> I checked the ISO checkusm and it's good
[09:40] <jjlame1> if they could make use of opengl 3... it could compete with dx10 games out
[09:40] <ActionParsnip> nocturn: did you run the cd verifier?
[09:40] <BaGy> if anyone tried the beta version 9.10.i whether her working ATI drivers, as 9:04 no good support for the ATI driver?
[09:40] <nocturn> ActionParsnip: the iso and USB stick created are both good
[09:40] <ActionParsnip> nocturn: ok then all i can suggest is bootoptions:
[09:40] <ActionParsnip> !bootoptions
[09:40] <jjlame1> im about to test ubuntu 9.10 alpha 6
[09:40] <jjlame1> with an ati card
[09:40] <mrmcq2u> whats the best way to check what features are supported by your ati card on karmic
[09:41] <mrmcq2u> dri2 kms etc
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> !hcl
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> the ati site may say, not sure
[09:41] <mrmcq2u> would be nice if that information was available from the system
[09:42] <mrmcq2u> system monitor maybe
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> mrmcq2u: you could run: glxinfo | less
[09:43] <mrmcq2u> doesn't mention kms or dri2 though
[09:44] <jjlame2> storming here I apologize for constant disconnects
[09:44] <mjbrooks> mrmcq2u, sudo lshw
[09:44] <mjbrooks> mrmcq2u, sudo lshw | less
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> why does lshw need sudo?
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> never understood tht one
[09:46] <mjbrooks> ActionParsnip, it complains briefly before running... no idea
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> mjbrooks: same, i just give it what it want
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> s
[09:46] <mjbrooks> ActionParsnip, looking at the innerds
[09:47] <jjlame2> ok rebooting about to try ubuntu 9.10 alpha 6
[09:48] <jjlame2> wish me luck! brb
[09:49] <mjbrooks> hmmm... root owns the folder on the USB drive... sigh
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> mjbrooks: nice research skills bro
[09:50] <mjbrooks> ActionParsnip, eh?
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> mjbrooks: about the root usb stuff
[09:51] <mjbrooks> ActionParsnip, bah
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> ?
[09:51] <todd_> duel boot vista and 9.10 64 bit worked but i had to update 9.10 to see vista in grub and then do a recovery on 9.10 but all working now
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> was a compiment :-/
[09:52] <todd_> P.S alpha 6
[09:52] <mjbrooks> ActionParsnip, I thought you were being facetious.... that's childs play
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> no im genuinely impressed
[09:54] <todd_> I faght alpha 5 all afternoon and never got it to work at all with a home partition by it's self
[09:54] <mjbrooks> ActionParsnip, if I wanted to impress, I'd tell the tale of rewriting C code in an ethernet driver to bypass a bug ;)
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> mjbrooks: ive coded bios images in mspaint on an amiga 1200 with 1Kb ram. I amz leetx0r
[09:55] <todd_> we can tell who is a programmer and not a tech
[09:55] <eagles0513875> here goes nothing with booting off me usb
[09:55] <ActionParsnip> gl duder
[09:55]  * ActionParsnip plays a drumroll
[09:56] <eagles0513875> hehe thanks
[09:56] <eagles0513875> before i can start need to figure out how to get me macbook to boot off it
[09:56] <mjbrooks> todd_, I am both... the only thing you can tell is an approximation of how many beerrs I've had by my spelling
[09:56] <mjbrooks> lol
[09:57] <ripps> We should be getting an announcement on what the codename for the next ubuntu should be soon. Traditional, doesn't Shuttleworth annouce it around alpha6/beta?
[09:57] <mjbrooks> what's the next letter in the alphabet?
[09:57] <mjbrooks> lol
[09:57] <todd_> I wish I could program
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> todd_: learn
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> ripps: theres a few flying round. I find it uite inconsequential
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> quite*
[09:58] <todd_> reading in spare time and testing new stuff
[09:58] <mjbrooks> todd_, 10 PRINT I IZ HAXXOR 20 GOTO 10
[09:59] <ActionParsnip> mjbrooks: syntax error in line:10, possibly missing "?
[09:59] <ActionParsnip> mjbrooks: ;)
[09:59] <mjbrooks> bwahahaha
[09:59] <ActionParsnip> basic is awesome
[10:00] <todd_> had basic 35 years ago
[10:00] <mjbrooks> nah, perl is awesome
[10:00] <mjbrooks> LISP is insane
[10:01] <mjbrooks> or rather... (LISP (is) (in ( sane) ) ) with parens!!!
[10:01] <mjbrooks> C rocks
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> brainfuck is cool too
[10:02] <mjbrooks> Java is far too wordy for my taste I gave it up
[10:02] <Severian> L is the next letter.  How about Leisure Suit Larry?
[10:02] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: its not too bad
[10:03] <mjbrooks> Jave reminds me too much of those instructions one gives to users where you say things like /path/to/your/silly/file/here
[10:03] <eviljussi01> Severian: try keep it familöy friendly ok
[10:03] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: knowing a bit of java is helping me to understand c++
[10:03] <mjbrooks> but you have to do it over and over again
[10:03] <robin0800> Severian: Loopey Larry perhaps
[10:03] <eviljussi01> and we are wandering offtopic for this channel, for general offtopic hcatter pålease use #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:03] <eagles0513875> heheh ya mjbrooks but big downside to not knowing multithreading in java is its uber slow
[10:04] <mjbrooks> you.can.understand.the.basic.concepts.of.programming.without.all.the.strings()
[10:04] <Severian> eviljussi01, I never actually played it, but I thought it was a family friendly game.  Am I wrong?
[10:04] <eviljussi01> Severian: very much so. besides the fact its offtopic for here :)
[10:06] <mjbrooks> I want it to be something Lemming... imagine the South Park character Lemmywinks!!!
[10:06] <spidla> Hi everyone, I have a question. Since last update (yesterday) I am experiencing some errors on boot saying something about udev. unknown key 'SYMLINK{unique}' in/lib/udev/rules. d/50-udev-default.rules:4
[10:06] <arand> spidla: it is a known issue
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> !info penguins
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> bah
[10:06] <spidla> arand: and is there any solution ?
[10:06] <mjbrooks> spidla, close your eyes when you boot
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> !info pingus
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> mjbrooks: ^
[10:07] <arand> spidla: they're only warnings afaik.
[10:07] <spidla> mjbrooks: I do this since yesterday :-)
[10:07] <arand> spidla: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/430654
[10:07] <spidla> arand: and I dont have any boot splash screen .. Is this the same problem ?
[10:08] <arand> spidla: yea, that's kinda tangled up in the same issue I think.
[10:08] <mjbrooks> spidla, It broke at the same time and may be related
[10:08] <spidla> well OK .. it is not critical for me :-) I just wanted to know
[10:09] <spidla> thanks anyway
[10:09] <mjbrooks> spidla, np
[10:09] <mjbrooks> welcome to development on the edge!
[10:10] <arand> sometimes off the edge
[10:10] <todd_> so what kind of boot times with alpha 6?
[10:10] <spidla> being on the edge is no problem for me :-)
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> todd_: depends on hardware
[10:11] <ActionParsnip> todd_: and boot settings and kernel compilation settings and options
[10:11] <todd_> still only sees 4gb ram will that change?
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> todd_: without PAE, any 32bit OS will only see 4Gb
[10:12] <mjbrooks> need 64bit for >4GB addresses
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> todd_: the server kernel has PAE enabled by default
[10:13] <todd_> I have 64 bit so i was hope it would see all 8 gb
[10:13] <mjbrooks> hmmm
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> todd_: it can and should, what is the output of: uname -a
[10:14] <Spike1506> jjlame, and how far did you come with alpha 6?
[10:14] <todd_> I might need to test ram next!
[10:14] <ActionParsnip> todd_: possibly, can you please provide the command output please
[10:16] <todd_> minor concern loading programs right now
[10:16] <eagles0513875> ")£*7
[10:17] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, try a different keyboard setting ;)
[10:17] <eagles0513875> im still learning the ins and outs of macs and their systems
[10:17] <jjlame> I just tried ubuntu 9.10 alpha 6 did the exact same thing
[10:17] <eagles0513875> is there a way if i have a usb external hdd that i could install kubuntu on or would i have issues with grub
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: should be fine, providing the motherboard can boot usb
[10:18] <jjlame> but it did do one thing it didn't do before.. during the load it kept posting a error over and over about 20 times then it did what it done last time...
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> jjlame: did you md5 check the iso and verify the cd once initially booted to?
[10:18] <jjlame> yep
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> good
[10:20] <todd_> night all and thanks for the help!
[10:22] <Spike1506> jjlame, do a bug report
[10:23] <jjlame> Spike1506:  alright
[10:23] <Spike1506> must be a ati issue
[10:23] <jjlame> most likely
[10:23] <jjlame> I got this error before and it took forever to load ...
[10:24] <jjlame> buffor I/o error on device  sr0. logical block "some numbers here"
[10:24] <nocturn> Guysm anyone know where I can get the Alpha5 iso's (alpha6 won't install)?
[10:24] <jjlame> and end_request I/o error on device sr0 sector "and numbers here"
[10:24] <nocturn> and alpha5 is no longer on the official image server
[10:24] <nocturn> I need the AMD64-alternate
[10:24] <mjbrooks> nocturn, should be
[10:25] <ActionParsnip> nocturn: tried searching torrents
[10:26] <Amaranth> nocturn: what's the problem with alpha 6?
[10:26] <Amaranth> I doubt anyone is still seeding alpha 5, the main seed is the ubuntu servers
[10:27] <nocturn> Amaranth: it won't install with the AMD64-alternate
[10:27] <nocturn> and the CD-check does not run at al
[10:27] <nocturn> but the ISO checksum matches
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> nocturn: did you burn as slow as possible?
[10:28] <nocturn> I tried the iso in virualbox, a USB-key on a real system and a burned CD
[10:28] <nocturn> all the same result
[10:28] <eagles0513875> well hell :(
[10:28] <nocturn> Even the actual iso in Vbox doesn't work
[10:28] <nocturn> I don't know if the 64-alternate gets much testing
[10:31] <nocturn> ActionParsnip: the .torrent files are also gone from the servers
[10:31] <eagles0513875> nocturn: you try create a bootable live usb using unetbootin
[10:31] <eagles0513875> !unetbootin | nocturn
[10:31] <eagles0513875> thats nto what i want u stupid bot
[10:32] <ActionParsnip> nocturn: may have to get a 3rd party one, they seem hard to come by though
[10:32] <eagles0513875> unetbootin will create a bootable live cd for ya
[10:32] <nocturn> eagles0513875: thanks, but I did that
[10:32] <nocturn> There's something wrong with the actual ISO
[10:32] <mjbrooks> nocturn, closest I can come... xubuntu http://ftp.se.debian.org/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/karmic/alpha-5/
[10:32] <eagles0513875> strange i have never had problems with unetbootin
[10:33] <nocturn> eagles0513875: the USB is good, the error is on the ISO itself
[10:33] <nocturn> the i386-alternate works
[10:33] <nocturn> But I need 64-bit
[10:34] <eagles0513875> i want to use 64bit too
[10:34] <eagles0513875> what error are you getting nocturn
[10:34] <nocturn> It installs up to the software
[10:34] <nocturn> and then it gives hash failures for packages
[10:34] <nocturn> all packages
[10:35] <nocturn> and verify-CD does not work (blank screen)
[10:35] <eagles0513875> you sure it did a complete download
[10:35] <eagles0513875> cuz as i was downloading it said it was finished after downloading only 176mb
[10:35] <eagles0513875> then deleted that incomplete iso and redownloaded it this time to completion
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> could use the minimal ISO instead
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> or u-lite
[10:40] <nocturn> eagles0513875: yes, MD5 checks out
[10:40] <eagles0513875> ok
[10:40] <mjbrooks> nocturn,  http://www.torrentreactor.net/torrents/3364673/Ubuntu-9-10-Alpha-5-%22Karmic-Koala%22-amd64
[10:40] <nocturn> eagles0513875: where can I find those, there not on CD images
[10:40] <nocturn> mjbrooks: Thanks
[10:42]  * mjbrooks needs a nap
[10:45] <eagles0513875> find what nocturn
[10:46]  * eagles0513875 hands mjbrooks a pot of karmic koala blend
[10:47] <floating1> when i start to install xubuntu karmic alpha6 first thing i get are render errors
[10:47] <floating1> sectors and blocks
[10:47] <eagles0513875> O_O
[10:47] <eagles0513875> uhoh
[10:47] <floating1> buffer error on device sr0
[10:48] <floating1> what shud i do...
[10:48] <floating1> it continues loading things after that and they seem ok
[10:48] <nocturn> floating1: I think that's normal
[10:48] <nocturn> I see them too
[10:48] <nocturn> you can run the verify option to be sue
[10:48] <nocturn> s/sue/sure
[10:49] <nocturn> I'm not suggesting a personality change :-)
[10:49] <floating1> i chose quit and i take the check disk for defects
[10:51]  * eagles0513875 and the problems continue
[10:51] <eagles0513875> will have to burn alpha 6 soon and give it a whilr
[10:51] <eagles0513875> whirl
[10:52] <floating1> ..and same errors come up with this defect test, but seems like test didnt go any further, the screen says: opening pipe: no such file or directory , and nothing happens
[10:52] <floating1> does this mean the burn was not succesful
[10:54] <nocturn> you can verify the checksum
[10:54] <vistakiller> anyone have problem with suspend?
[10:54] <nocturn> if your device is  /dev/sr0
[10:54] <nocturn> as root, do md5sum /dev/sr0
[10:54] <vistakiller> after recovery from suspend i have no internet
[10:54] <nocturn> and compare to the MD5 on the archive site
[10:55] <floating1> i start the live cd first and do that ? i'm not sure if the device is sr0  .. never heard of sr..
[10:55] <robin0800> floating1: all I can say is I burnt an alternative cd last night and it works but there have been a lot of updates since then
[10:56] <eagles0513875> i just downloaded the iso robin0800  would that be todays daily build
[10:56] <robin0800> yes
[10:57] <eagles0513875> :)
[10:57] <eagles0513875> will have to give it a whirl now :)
[10:57] <robin0800> eagles0513875: If from the dailies site
[10:57] <eagles0513875> what ever was linked on the kubuntu.org site robin0800
[10:58] <robin0800> Proabley not then just alpha 6
[10:58] <eagles0513875> robin0800: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/karmic/alpha-6/
[10:58] <nocturn> robin0800: what alternate did you burn, i368 or amd64
[10:58] <eagles0513875> where can i download it from
[10:58] <eagles0513875> the daily build that is
[10:59] <robin0800> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-6/
[11:00] <robin0800> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[11:02] <vistakiller> i have one other strange problem in yutube i can push pause or play button in the flash player window
[11:02] <robin0800> eagles0513875: That daily looks older than Alpha 6
[11:02] <eagles0513875> really
[11:02] <robin0800> eagles0513875: Yes see date and time
[11:15] <floating1> my case: installed alpha5 with errors few days ago, and it is not working very well. not responsive sometimes to anything, and i have to reboot with power button. now with alpah6, i run live-cd and i had to do the same thing. after that i rebooted to that alpha5 installation which worked as far as i could do the md5sum /dev/sr0  .. and it is still "checking" it.. nothing happens, there is a light on the cd-rom drive as if cd was doing something
[11:16] <floating1> got those some sr0 render errors when starting to install
[11:17] <floating1> alpha3 installed without errors and worked for few months, until "partial upgrade" messed it up
[11:17] <floating1> or 1 month
[11:20] <floating1> maybe i could try download alpha3 again, and do some safe upgrade with that and see how it works out
[11:23] <floating1> but this link is not working http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/karmic/alpha-3/
[11:25] <kklimonda> old alpha images are probably removed
[11:25] <robin0800> floating1: probably too old
[11:25] <robin0800> floating1: Alpha 6 works for me
[11:26] <floating1> then i dont know how to debug this :/ would be easy to see if it still works, then there is something alpha5, alpha6... well most likely there is something and alpha3 would work
[11:26] <robin0800> floating1: Try a clean install
[11:26] <floating1> what is a clean install
[11:27] <floating1> i think i have done that
[11:27] <eagles0513875> floating1: where you reformat and reinstall
[11:27] <eagles0513875> well bugger im getting those buffer i/o erros and all that
[11:28] <eagles0513875> still waiting for it to load
[11:28] <robin0800> floating1: Wipe the hardisk and the partion screen
[11:28] <floating1> first render error eaglues ?
[11:28] <floating1> after that sector, blocks, buffer errors ?
[11:28] <floating1> or smth
[11:28] <eagles0513875> no floating1 i dont get that
[11:28] <eagles0513875> after a small list of those i get shadow passwords are now on
[11:28] <floating1> dev/sr0 or your cd drive mentioned in errors ?
[11:28] <floating1> yeah i got that too
[11:29] <eagles0513875> im booting directly to the installer not the desktop on the normal iso of karmic
[11:29] <floating1> yeah, i did that too... robin, i have windows xp and another ntfs partition with important stuff on the disk
[11:29] <eagles0513875> damn it here those erros come again but i have seen them in the past
[11:29] <eagles0513875> well this is an improvement :)
[11:29] <eagles0513875> at least i have x
[11:30] <eagles0513875> haha man that was a weird issue with alpha 5 lol
[11:30] <eagles0513875> but for some reason im still going into the desktop
[11:30] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks:  :)(
[11:30] <eagles0513875> :)
[11:31] <floating1> it's some I/O error
[11:31] <eagles0513875> floating1: just ignore them
[11:31] <eagles0513875> i have seen them in the past as well
[11:31] <eagles0513875> i just ignore them
[11:32] <floating1> i ignored them with alpha5, and it didnt work as expected
[11:32] <floating1> but ok, i try install alpha6 by ignoring them too and see
[11:32] <floating1> or... i got some dpkg errors when xubuntu was installing
[11:32] <floating1> later
[11:32] <eagles0513875> well ill let u know if i have the same on kkubuntu
[11:33] <floating1> and then there were some freezing problems
[11:33] <floating1> when using that alpha5
[11:35] <eagles0513875> floating1: random question for you is ur machine plugged into the network
[11:35] <eagles0513875> your*
[11:36] <eagles0513875> stupid idea but thats the only thing i can think of in regards to having dpkg errors
[11:38] <floating1> yeah it is
[11:38] <floating1> but if you manage to install it without any further errors, then I guess it worked for u
[11:38] <floating1> r u installing it now at some % ?
[11:38] <floating1> i just got it going, 15% installed
[11:40] <eagles0513875> 45%
[11:40] <vistakiller> i just upgrade and my two instrallation i have in virtual box
[11:40] <eagles0513875> floating1: it worse comes to worse you could use kubuntu to install then install the xfce desktop
[11:40] <vistakiller> xubuntu and ubuntu
[11:40] <vistakiller> nothing work and there
[11:40] <vistakiller> i cant ever boot in the destop
[11:40] <eagles0513875> well floating1 hopefully my macbook with boot camp it picks up the partition
[11:40] <eagles0513875> before it wasnt
[11:41] <virtuald> I don't like the new xsplash
[11:42] <vistakiller> i cant see the new xsplash my machines is broken..
[11:42] <vistakiller> and in kubuntu i dont see splash screen but some command lines...
[11:42] <virtuald> The previous one looked much nicer than this black and white xsplash
[11:43] <virtuald> I have been lucky
[11:44] <virtuald> Does xsplash turn off if I don't have splash in the bootparams?
[11:45] <kroson> hi
[11:46] <kroson> ive just upgraded my 9.04 installation to 9.10 alpha 6
[11:46] <kroson> everything working fine so far
[11:46] <kroson> except the booting splash screen, the one between grub and xsplah
[11:46] <kroson> xsplash
[11:46] <kroson> it is gone
[11:46] <kroson> is it being worked?
[11:47] <eagles0513875> kroson: im sure there is alot that is being worked on
[11:47] <kroson> of course, but this
[11:47] <kroson> now i only have text messages between grub and xsplash
[11:48] <kklimonda> kroson: it's meant to be disabled
[11:49] <kroson> ah ok
[11:49] <kroson> so they are working in a new one for booting and shutting down?
[11:49] <kklimonda> kroson: it's going to show up only in few cases (user has to type in password or fsck is running)
[11:49] <kklimonda> yes
[11:50] <kroson> ok
[11:50] <eagles0513875> floating1: 75%
[11:50] <kroson> when is supposed the final artwork to freeze development?
[11:50] <kklimonda> the final artwork for xsplash is already there
[11:50] <kklimonda> don't know about final one for gdm
[11:50] <floating1> 69%, i have reached you almost :)  anyway, the errors are somewhere near 90% or even over 100%... my installation on alpha5 ended at 120% =)
[11:51] <kroson> and the ubuntu desktop itself
[11:52] <kroson> like new icons, new wallpaper
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> !schedule
[11:52] <kroson> new color scheme
[11:52] <kroson> of course everyone can change that
[11:52] <kklimonda> kroson: new icons and new color scheme most likely aren't going to be in 9.10
[11:52] <kroson> ok
[11:53] <kroson> i read that plymouth was going to be used in the booting screen
[11:53] <kroson> is it true?
[11:53] <kklimonda> no
[11:53] <kroson> ok tks ;)
[11:53] <kklimonda> you can read about why not plymouth but xsplash here: http://www.netsplit.com/2009/09/02/making-a-splash/
[11:56] <floating1> an error occured while installing packages: E: sub process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:56] <floating1> on xubuntu alpha6 installation at some 90%
[11:57] <floating1> at 86% I'll check /var/log/syslog if this can install it anyway
[11:58] <eagles0513875> floating1: installed rebooting now
[11:58] <eagles0513875> will let u know whats up
[11:58] <eagles0513875> floating1: normally you get that error when you dont have an internet connection
[11:59] <floating1> i should have... I don't know if it is connected though
[12:00] <eagles0513875> well everythign is working for me :)
[12:00] <floating1> congrats
[12:00] <eagles0513875> floating1: this a desktop or laptop
[12:01] <floating1> dell desktop pc
[12:02] <eagles0513875> ok floating1 type ifconfig in terminal or any konsole
[12:02] <floating1> while installing ?
[12:02] <eagles0513875> and if eth0 has an ip then its a bug somewhere else
[12:02] <eagles0513875> no while on the live cd
[12:02] <floating1> I got it installed now with that error 5 coming up 5 times
[12:03] <floating1> I'll boot the isntallation now..
[12:03] <eagles0513875> humm ok let me know how it goes
[12:03] <floating1> it doesnt boot for some reason, i have to reset
[12:03] <floating1> after install it said it will boot, but just black screen came
[12:03] <eagles0513875> :(
[12:04] <eagles0513875> give it a reset :(
[12:04] <floating1> everything going exactly like alpha5
[12:04] <floating1> internet will work
[12:04] <floating1> but the system will freeze after i idle some 5 mins, or at random time
[12:05] <floating1> and i have to reset
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> floating1: what if you disable screensavers
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> floating1: can you not reset X instead of system reset?
[12:06] <floating1> oh yeah i forgot, after booting it forces me to do manual fsck, which i did now and rebooted
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> floating1: can you ssh in to the system when it is frozen?
[12:06] <floating1> after installing , black screen comes and i cant see anything, not any keyboard combos work that i know of
[12:06] <eagles0513875> woohoo alpha 6 is working for me
[12:06] <eagles0513875> then again im on kubuntu
[12:07] <floating1> does it have a ssh server on by default where i can connect ?
[12:07] <floating1> im not familiar creating one for that test:s
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> floating1: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[12:08] <floating1> ok, now it is even worse than alpha5
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> then you're done
[12:08] <floating1> when I rebooted again, and chose the installation from grub, i get a black screen directly now
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> floating1: but grub does load?
[12:08] <floating1> yea
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> could try reinstalling grub to pick up the installs again and rewrite grub.cfg
[12:10] <kklimonda> floating1: wait for some time
[12:10] <kklimonda> floating1: is your disk working?
[12:11] <floating1> waited some 4 minutes now, althuogh I tried ctrl-alt-bspace ctrl-alt-del ctrl-alt-f1 already
[12:11] <floating1> but still black screen
[12:11] <kklimonda> you are using intel?
[12:11] <kklimonda> gpu
[12:11] <floating1> yup
[12:12] <kklimonda> hmm.. try to disable kms
[12:12] <kklimonda> (I don't remember how though)
[12:13] <kklimonda> i think you have to add i915.modinfo=0 to kernel parameters
[12:14] <kklimonda> erm
[12:14] <kklimonda> i915.modeset=0
[12:14] <floating1> where is that ?
[12:14] <kklimonda> when you reboot computer keep shift to get grub menu
[12:15] <kklimonda> then press 'e' to enter edit mode, append i915.modeset=0 and press 'c'.
[12:15] <kklimonda> there should be some short help printed when you get grub menu
[12:17] <floating1> append to that initrd.img2610-generic i915.modeset=0 like this ?
[12:18] <kklimonda> after quiet
[12:18] <kklimonda> or splash
[12:18] <kklimonda> if there are more than one line see which one has quiet and splash
[12:20] <floating1> unknown symlink and other errors came first, but then x started and i'm in
[12:21] <floating1> and now i'm here from the alpha6, so network is working
[12:25] <floating1> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade gave same errors that the installation gave
[12:26] <floating1> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) ..
[12:27] <kklimonda> it's not an error itself, the true one should be somewhere above
[12:27] <floating1> Errors were encountered while processing: openoffice.org-filter-binfilter
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> floating1: try: sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get -f install; sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:29] <floating1> same errors repeated themselves
[12:29] <floating1> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:29] <floating1> 1 not fully installed or removed.
[12:29] <floating1> After this operation, 0B of additional disk space will be used.
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> floating1: ok whats the thing its saying is in limb?
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> limbo
[12:31] <floating1> http://pastebin.com/m6bdb3431
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> openoffice.org-filter-binfilter seems to be the culprit
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> floating1: you may have to manually download the deb and force install it
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> floating1: do you see the deb in /var/cache/apt/archive
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> floating1: seems prevelent: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hyphen/+bug/192310
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> floating1: seems here is the fix; https://bugs.launchpad.net/openoffice/+bug/274556
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> floating1: those commands will need sudo
[12:36] <floating1> didn't help running those commands
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> floating1: ok did you try force installing the deb
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> ?
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> floating1: sudo dpkg --force-all -i <deb file>
[12:37] <floating1> nope, I could try that. I didn't get so far yet. Also this is quite unresponsive/laggy
[12:37] <floating1> changing between terminal tabs of irssi and the cmd line im working, takes almost 2 seconds
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> floating1: have 2 terminals then
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> Hmm
[12:38] <floating1> I guess I would just better re-install the grub to get the win xp back, and get back to karmic beta
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> !info weechat
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> I was hopeing that they would upgrade to weechat 3 - it came out 2 weeks ago. :)
[12:41] <kklimonda> dr0pknutz: too late
[12:41] <kklimonda> erm
[12:41] <kklimonda> Dr_Willis: ^^
[12:42] <kklimonda> we were already in feature freeze then
[12:42] <pmatulis> anyone know of current problems booting with encrypted partitions in an LVM volume?
[12:43] <floating1> ActionParsnip: grrh, tried installing the deb but http://pastebin.com/m6a40d013
[12:44] <kklimonda> the bug isn't in package itself, it seems that something is broken in OOo
[12:44] <kklimonda> floating1: do you have /usr/lib/openoffice/basis3.1/program/libbf_migratefilterli.so ?
[12:44] <virtuald> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/431856 is it possible to change the mime type on attachements?
[12:45] <floating1> why does it say 3_1_... while it should be 1_3_...
[12:45] <floating1> http://packages.debian.org/fi/sid/openoffice.org-filter-binfilter  if you follow here to download, it changes to starting with 3
[12:46] <kklimonda> hmm, it installs fine here
[12:46] <floating1> ah 1:3.. i dont know
[12:46] <kklimonda> version is 3.1.1 and 1: is an epoch number made for packaging purpose
[12:46] <ActionParsnip> floating1: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/80438edaaa8665a5/76ec27410bcf94ad?lnk=raot
[12:47] <kklimonda> ActionParsnip: it's not the same problem
[12:47] <floating1> kklimonda: I have that file
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> kklimonda: funny, because I websearched "register component 'file:///usr/lib/openoffice/basis3.1/program/libbf_migratefilterli.so' in registry '/var/lib/openoffice/basis3.1/program/services.rdb'" and that came up, that exact string is in the page too
[12:49] <kklimonda> ActionParsnip: sure - but is says "success" and floating1's log says "failed"
[12:49] <duffydack> still no good.  audio is a complete disaster.  the only outputs that work are amplified which means its TOO loud even with a minimal slider setting.  touching it sends the volume thru the roof.  alsamixer/gamix is not an option, i might as well stay with jaunty if I have to use those.  oh well....
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> kklimonda: but its relating to the same file
[12:50] <floating1> can i uninstall open office altogether ?
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> Is the sound cards still 'poping' ? i havent noticed it doing so since yesterdays updates
[12:50] <acicula> floating1: yup
[12:50] <kklimonda> duffydack: OR you can try working with Daniel and fix it
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> floating1: can you run: sudo apt-get --purge remove openoffice*
[12:50] <duffydack> Dr_Willis, it does on boot up.. but not playing music.
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> mine would pop during 'desktop' ussage.. like if i came back.. and  did omthing that would 'beep'  or some how play a sound.. it would pop right befor it started playing.
[12:51] <duffydack> kklimonda, I didnt know there was anyone in here like that.
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> I never noticed it during playback. Just  in 'btween'  it likes the card went to sleep/reinitlized every so often
[12:51] <kklimonda> duffydack: dtchen - one of people responsible for sound
[12:52] <duffydack> kklimonda, ok well I dont have time at the moment but i`ll keep it in mind.
[12:53] <floating1> that purge remove ended with something like this, which I don't know if I should take noted http://pastebin.com/m2e5fdf77
[12:54] <floating1> shall i do the apt-get -f install next
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> floating1: sounds good
[12:56] <floating1> that command made it remove that binfilter and nothing else o.O
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> yowser
[12:58] <floating1> i did aptitude safe-upgrade again and nothing was to be done, so i guess my system is no up to date without open office. I guess I could try find out the reason why this is so laggy
[12:59] <floating1> it feels as laggy as ubuntu 9.04  ... the alpha3 was really nice and I thought this intel's performance problem was solved, but now i'm experiencing same lag as with 9.04
[13:03] <acicula> doing disk stuff?
[13:04] <floating1> if i want to get the windows xp to grub, should I re-install grub with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[13:04] <acicula> grub hasnt added windows to the boot list?
[13:04] <floating1> nop
[13:05] <ActionParsnip> floating1: wtg :D
[13:05] <ActionParsnip> floating1: you could try the old intel driver, not sure if there is a karmic repo for it
[13:05] <acicula> that thread describes how to fix your mbr after it got nuked
[13:06] <acicula> what kind of lag, i'm on the intel driver too, runs pretty smooth on a 4500hd, even compiz works
[13:06] <ActionParsnip> floating1: http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/05/reverting-xorg-video-intel-driver-of.html
[13:06] <ActionParsnip> floating1: change jaunty for karmic, there is a karmic repo on the same server
[13:07] <floating1> switching between terminal windows, web browser, minimizing window etc, response time is slow
[13:07] <floating1> this is some oldish mini dell
[13:08] <floating1> with integrated intel
[13:09] <acicula> 965 something?
[13:09] <floating1> yeah i think it was, ( i dont remmeber how to check)
[13:09] <floating1> some i915 at lsmod
[13:10] <acicula> ah
[13:12] <floating1> E: Couldn't find package xserver-xorg-video-intel-2.4  when doing that on the webupd8.blogspot.. changed jaunty to karmic when adding those to sources.list
[13:13] <bender304> I get a 404 when trying to dnload alpha 5. Is this only temporary?
[13:14] <floating1> I guess they remove the old images. Maybe u want to download the alpha6 instead ?
[13:15] <bender304> alpha 6 won't boot up
[13:15] <floating1> black screen ?
[13:15] <bender304> My alpha 3 works but when I update it won't boot up
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> floating1: did you run: sudo apt-get update   first?
[13:16] <floating1> ActionParsnip: ah :)
[13:17] <floating1> hmm, still it cannot find the package
[13:17] <bender304> It says Unable to connect to the system bus: Failed to connect to socket...
[13:18] <floating1> bender304: i had alpha3 working nicely, but some update messed it up. alpha5 and alpha6 installations gives me errors and i'm having some problems with them
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> floating1: you need to run apt-get update to download the definations for what packages are on the new servers you just added
[13:19] <floating1> yeah, but I run that, and after try install the intel driver, but still it cannot find it
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> floating1: other than that repo i know very little of intel vga, i peronally avoid them and alwaysalways go for nvidia
[13:20] <bender304> Maybe I'll just lay low for a while
[13:21] <floating1> ok, but I would like to get the xp to the grub now, but i'm not sure which way to go
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> !grub2
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> floating1: its so much more tricky than grub is
[13:22] <eagles0513875> floating1: normally you have win installed first leaving space for kubuntu and karmic automatically tricks windows by using grub instead of the nt boot loader
[13:22] <floating1> yeah, that's the order I prefer for that reason
[13:25] <floating1> ok, I think the grub got fixed now with those commands @ that Grub2 url's dual-booting section :)
[13:28] <eagles0513875> floating1: :)
[13:29] <eagles0513875> floating1: what grub does is is trick windows into thinking its using its own ntboot loader when its not
[13:34] <mrmcq2u> so its part of usplash/xsplash?
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> Grub2 does make it easier to change the grub2 background for my boot menus. :)
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> Now i just got to find a good image...
[13:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[13:46] <luckyone> howdy - last nights updates didn't prompt me to configure grub-pc and after restart it doesn't find my OS...
[13:54] <andresmh> my verizon mobile broandband I use with a builtin sierra wireless modem doesn't work
[13:54] <andresmh> the modem is listed
[13:55] <andresmh> but when selecting the network from the gnome network panel it just doesn't connect to it
[13:55] <andresmh> any ideas of how to even start to debug this?
[13:55]  * Dr_Willis has no clue
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> too fancy for me.. and to expensive.
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> :P
[13:57] <andresmh> :)
[13:57] <andresmh> i'm probably going to have to revert to an older version of the network manager
[13:57] <ripps> Ahh!
[13:58] <wastrel> hey you guys
[13:58] <ripps> Canberra sound effects now makes these horrible screeching noise
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> I do recall some wizard/setting to let you easiailly chaneg what manages the networks.. wicd. or network-manager.. or whatever...
[13:58] <NerveClasp> i have a question.. how to make microphone sound through speakers? i use ubuntu 9.10, built-in soundcard and usb creative soundcard...
[13:58] <foxray> volume is up?
[13:58] <ripps> screw that, all sound is screwed up now!
[13:59] <NerveClasp> yeap=)))
[13:59] <andresmh> how does one find out the PPA for a package, in particular for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager
[13:59] <NerveClasp> i really need it
[13:59] <hexa--> andresmh google "piece of software" ppa
[14:00] <foxray> hmm, i just upgraded to 9.10 from jaunty on my netbook and man it flys, avi video problems with stuttering fixed and ethernet connects really fast, no issues with sound
[14:00] <andresmh> clever hexa-- ;)
[14:00] <foxray> slight bug with udevd during bootup and cups, other than that its running real well
[14:01] <NerveClasp> foxray: did you try to speak into microphone?
[14:01] <foxray> NerveClasp, if I had a microphone i'd test for you but i don't
[14:02] <BluesKaj> andresmh, the network manager is in the regular repos , not ppa
[14:02] <NerveClasp> well, I do, but it doesn't work... levels show that sound comes into system, but it doesn't come out, so to say((((((
[14:02] <andresmh> yeah but I want an older version of it BluesKaj
[14:03] <wastrel> compiz doesn't work on my koala
[14:03] <andresmh> i found the ppa deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/network-manager/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[14:03] <BluesKaj> andresmh, the older versions aren't very good
[14:03] <BluesKaj> try wicd
[14:03] <andresmh> the new version doesn't do it for my 3g builtin modem and i am about to go on a trip
[14:03] <andresmh> :(
[14:03] <NerveClasp> wastrel:  you have to install compiz and emerald through apt-get
[14:04] <wastrel> it's installed
[14:04] <andresmh> let me try the previous version if that doesnt work i'll try wicd
[14:04] <andresmh> what are the cons of wicd?
[14:04] <wastrel> oh that's weird
[14:04] <wastrel> i have compiz binary but not the package
[14:04] <wastrel> ok
[14:04] <NerveClasp> wastrel: is your compiz fusion icon installed?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> depends on your HW andresmh
[14:05] <andresmh> ok, i guess i'll just try
[14:07] <NerveClasp> any suggestions on my sound problem? in 9.04 there was sound manager, where I could whether enable or disable microphone, but nothing here..
[14:08] <alankila> NerveClasp: use the speaker icon in the task bar
[14:08] <BluesKaj> alsamixer , kmix
[14:08] <alankila> umm... KDE?
[14:08] <NerveClasp> alankila: there ain't one(((
[14:09] <NerveClasp> I've installed PulseAudio, but it didn't help...
[14:10] <BluesKaj> NerveClasp, that means you need to re/install alsa-utils and alsa-base
[14:10] <alankila> anyway in Gnome you also have System > Preferences > Sound for controlling sound input. In my case there isn't actually specific microphone setting, just a more generic "SB Audigy Analog Stereo". But it works, I guess this doesn't even have a mic input
[14:11] <alankila> anyway, gotta run.
[14:14] <ripps> What happened to audio, everything is static now
[14:16] <ripps> It's alsa that's become corrupted, because sound is still okay with oss
[14:17] <BluesKaj> alsa is fine sounding here ..depends on your HW , i guess
[14:17] <ripps> everything was working this morning, but then I installed a large number of updates, and after reboot alsa was broken
[14:18] <ethana2> so, my 9.10 install is hosed
[14:18] <BluesKaj> ripps, try reinstallin alsa-utils and alsa-base
[14:18] <ethana2> so I tried to chroot into it from 9.04 and run updates
[14:19] <ethana2> but it can't get online when I do that to run them
[14:19] <ethana2> 9.10 won't boot no matter what kernel I use
[14:19] <ethana2> it just goes black and starts beeping
[14:20] <Dr_Willis> is it Beeping out in Morse Code?
[14:20] <ripps> BluesKaj: still not working, though I should probably reboot first.
[14:20] <BluesKaj> yeah, might work, ripps
[14:21] <BluesKaj> no guarantees ...karmic is still broken in some ways
[14:25] <ripps> BluesKaj: sound still screwy
[14:28] <BluesKaj> ripps , got pulseaudio installed ? it was missing after upgrading yesterday , and beleive it or not it sounds quite good now
[14:29] <ripps> It says it's installed, but I've checked in several apps, both pulse and alsa have static for sound, but oss sounds fine (a little quiet, though).
[14:30] <ripps> Pulse shouldn't be able to screw up programs that are using alsa directly, right?
[14:30] <NerveClasp> reintalled alsa, have pulse, but my mic is still dead... his levels are jumping when I test it, but no sound comes out from speakers...
[14:30] <BluesKaj> well, depends on your HW it seems , more so than in the previous  versions
[14:30] <ripps> Actually, I was using the ubuntu-audio-dev ppa, but it seems I'm using the main repo version of pulse now.
[14:31] <NerveClasp> but under 9.04 it worked.......
[14:31]  * Twigathy notes upstart in his list of updates...considers backing up this install before upgrading >_<
[14:32] <BluesKaj> we're all having audio issues after tha last upgrade, or so it seems
[14:33] <ripps> was something related to udev installed? I get udev warnings at boot instead of usplash, and now today audio is broken. I'm think there are some hardware detection issues and possibly broken udev
[14:34] <NerveClasp> please remind me other sound systems accept xine (audio engines so to say) maybe installing other will help in some way..
[14:34] <ethana2> Dr_Willis: if it is morse code it's a very boring message
[14:35] <ethana2> although that would be a very interesting debugging tool
[14:35] <ethana2> KERNEL PANIC stop
[14:36] <blackxored> karmic alpha 6 has been reported to run on vmware server???
[14:37] <ebag> Anyone else experience strange interrupt issues after apt-get dist-upgrade last night?  My coworkers screen, num-lock light, and hard disk light are all going in "strobe mode" after a reboot.  Ubuntu Karmic.
[14:37] <eagles0513875> blackxored: im running it on virtual box which i find quicker then vmware server even workstation
[14:37] <ebag> and only certain keystrokes get through... it's like everything is fighting for interrupts.
[14:38] <blackxored> eagles0513875, I had this issues with X loading with vbox and vmware server on alpha5
[14:38] <blackxored> eagles0513875, I'm downloading a6 now, hope it works
[14:38] <blackxored> eagles0513875, I have a vmware setup already done
[14:38] <eagles0513875> the x issues not starting during start up seems to have been fixed in alpha 6 but then agian i never had x issues on vbox with alpha 5
[14:39]  * Twigathy backs up his 19GB / :>
[14:41] <eagles0513875> just did a clean install on my macbook pro as duel boot and the x issue is gone
[14:41] <NerveClasp> no problems with udev
[14:41] <NerveClasp> *accept=than
[14:41] <NerveClasp> *then =) oh my(((
[14:42] <NerveClasp> no suggestions?
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: nice
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> NerveClasp: not seen anything about udev personally
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> NerveClasp: is it related to anything?
[14:44] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: if you want a good laugh the way i fixed my x issue in alpha 5 was by installing the driver from nvidia not the one in the repos
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> i have no udev in my dmesg for 20 hours uptime
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: can happen, glad you got the gold tough
[14:44] <eagles0513875> ya not its working :)
[14:44] <eagles0513875> now
[14:45] <eagles0513875> nv is working by default
[14:45] <eagles0513875> im scared to try the driver from the repos
[14:45] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: dont install it, you'll be fine :)
[14:45] <ripps> Man, it seems there are a number of system changes that are creating issues as you upgrade. I've been using karmic since late alpha2, perhaps I should reinstall karmic so it's a little cleaner.
[14:45] <ActionParsnip> im on the beta 190 driver
[14:45] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: is that worth installing
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: not noticed really, the most graphical thing i do is frets on fire and its fine with either
[14:46] <BluesKaj> I have several apps including wicd-networkmanager that don't show up in the toolbar , which need to be sudo'd in oder to start
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: just installed it for a laugh
[14:47] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: afaik, users should be able to run wicd
[14:48] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: might install the 185 thats out now from nvidia
[14:48] <NerveClasp> here something:
[14:48] <NerveClasp> Sep 15 17:33:38 area15 pulseaudio[3515]: alsa-sink.c: ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but there was actually nothing to write!
[14:48] <NerveClasp> Sep 15 17:33:38 area15 pulseaudio[3515]: alsa-sink.c: Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_hda_intel'. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers.
[14:48] <NerveClasp> Sep 15 17:33:38 area15 pulseaudio[3515]: alsa-sink.c: We were woken up with POLLOUT set -- however a subsequent snd_pcm_avail() returned 0 or another value < min_avail.
[14:49] <ripps> Hmm... I'm getting this over and over in my messages log:
[14:49] <NerveClasp> and then a bunch of
[14:49] <ripps> Sep 18 08:26:46 ripps-desktop pulseaudio[2674]: ratelimit.c: 383 events suppressed
[14:49] <NerveClasp> Sep 18 15:36:10 area15 pulseaudio[3569]: ratelimit.c: 24 events suppressed
[14:50] <NerveClasp> yeap(((
[14:52] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, it isn't just wicd that isn't in users ...there are several others
[14:55] <ripps> How do I downgrade my pulseaudio to the previous version?
[14:55] <Pici> Did either of you log a bug for this?
[14:56] <ripps> I'm not sure where to file the bug, alsa or pusle?
[14:56] <ActionParsnip> ripps: you'll need to remove what you have, then find a repo or deb with the older one on. It can get messy
[14:56] <Pici> ripps: The messages are coming from pulse, so file a bug against that.
[14:57] <Pici> Best to diagnose the real issues so that they can be fixed for other users
[14:58] <ActionParsnip> !bug
[15:04] <stikonas> after latest libqtindicate-qt upgrade on Kubuntu 9.10, Konversation no longer works. It tries to load libindicate-qt.so.0 but only libindicate-qt.so.1 is available
[15:05] <stikonas> Konversation probably need rebuilding
[15:08] <eagles0513875> stikonas: is that still the kde 3 version or the kde4 port of it
[15:09] <stikonas> kde4 port of it, 1.1 alpha to be precise
[15:10] <stikonas> eagles0513875: ^^
[15:11] <eagles0513875> stikonas: ahhh ok hows it looking
[15:11] <eagles0513875> and btw did you compile it from svn repo
[15:12] <stikonas> eagles, it just says that error while loading shared libraries: libindicate-qt.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory\
[15:12] <stikonas> I used package from repository, but now I'm compiling svn version
[15:14] <eagles0513875> stikonas: run sudo ldconfig that should update your libs that are used
[15:14] <eagles0513875> svn would also be better stikonas reason being any changes that are made you pull them and recompile
[15:14] <eagles0513875> stikonas: also run on kubuntu or ubuntu sudo apt-get build-dep konversation that will install any of its missing dependencies
[15:14] <ripps> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/432508
[15:15]  * lupine_85 reckons .so.1 won't be ABI-compatible with .so.0
[15:16] <graingert> ls
[15:16] <graingert> when can you pre-order karmic cd's from ship it?
[15:16] <Vtec> so what are the advantages as to having Jaunty and Koala? I am new to linux and am starting up with Jaunty I would like to know what is good about Karmic compared to Jaunty
[15:17] <Pici> graingert: Usually closer to beta/rc
[15:17] <graingert> Pici, coooooooool
[15:17] <graingert> Vtec, it's just the next version
[15:17] <Pici> Vtec: karmic doesnt boot :P
[15:17] <graingert> Pici, lol
[15:17] <graingert> Vtec, just play the waiting game
[15:18] <graingert> Vtec, if you are going to start now; it's best to wait for Karmic Release
[15:18] <NoelJB> when did templates disappear from the Create Document menu?  anyone else have them?  I was looking for a plain old text file.
[15:18] <NoelJB> no biggie, just odd that they're gone.
[15:18] <creative1412> guys i got proplems i can't use update manger to upgrade from Jaunty
[15:18] <graingert> NoelJB, I never had them
[15:19] <graingert> creative1412, update-manager is crap - use a fresh install
[15:19] <NoelJB> graingert, ok
[15:19] <graingert> this is discotronic
[15:19] <Vtec> I know I will wait for the stable release but I'm just wondering is Karmic better than Jaunty in some ways? if so, how?
[15:19] <graingert> Vtec, Mainly new features
[15:19] <NoelJB> Vtec, for one thing, Karmic has been stable, Jaunty almost always crashes on me within a day or three.
[15:19] <graingert> Vtec, check the Alpha release notes
[15:20] <stikonas> Vtec, newer kernel always means better hardware support
[15:20] <graingert> NoelJB, ? Jaunty is stable and Karmic is not?
[15:20] <NoelJB> graingert, opposite for me.  For me, Jaunty has had all the stability of MS-Windows VISTA.
[15:20] <stikonas> graingert: Jaunty is very unstable with ext4 file system, it is just terrible
[15:20] <graingert> stikonas, yeah, well what do you expect for bleeding edge file systems?
[15:21] <Vtec> ohhh I see
[15:21] <Vtec> thankyou guys!
[15:21] <graingert> Vtec, you sir are welcome
[15:21] <Vtec> my jaunty is very stable has never had a problem after i installedi t
[15:21] <graingert> Vtec, this is true
[15:21] <stikonas> graingert: well, ext4 in mainline kernel was quite stable, some ubuntu patches has broken it
[15:21] <graingert> NoelJB, Actually my Vista is rather stable
[15:22] <graingert> NoelJB, it's just slow to get going
[15:22] <Vtec> Hey can anyone help me my wireless connection is showing a slow connection (9% at the moment) and yet the other routers I see show a WAY better connection than mine, does anyone know how I can make mine stronger? I mean it is one room away
[15:22] <graingert> NoelJB, about 3 hours into booting it it compares in speed to my ubuntu build
[15:22] <NoelJB> graingert, too off-topic to get into.
[15:22] <James147> stikonas: I am running ext4 with jaunty and havent had any problems with it
[15:22] <stikonas> eagles0513875: after recompilation Konversation works fine, so it this was just ABI problem, needs recompilation
[15:22] <creative1412> Vtec: When installing Ubuntu from Alpha 6 in a dual-boot configuration with another operating system, such as Windows Vista, the grub2 configuration will not present an option to boot to the other OS. Investigation of this issue is ongoing
[15:22] <graingert> NoelJB, fair, fair
[15:22] <NoelJB> :)
[15:22] <creative1412> Vtec: that's nasty
[15:23] <eagles0513875> ya stikonas whats the link to the svn repo
[15:23] <graingert> creative1412, well I was amazed when the ubuntu first did it
[15:23] <graingert> creative1412, I am used to doing it manular
[15:23] <stikonas> eagles0513875: svn+ssh://stikonas@svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/extragear/network/konversation
[15:23] <creative1412> graingert: i didn't use grub2 before
[15:23] <eagles0513875> stikonas: O_o
[15:23] <creative1412> graingert: can i use grub 1?
[15:23] <eagles0513875> that your svn repo
[15:23] <graingert> creative1412, to do what?
[15:24] <Vtec> creative1412: do you think changing wireless channels would help?
[15:24] <creative1412> Vtec: don't use wirelees :]
[15:24] <graingert> Vtec, depends what are everyone else on?
[15:24] <stikonas> eagles0513875: use svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde... , it is not my repository, but I have an account on KDE svn server
[15:24] <graingert> Vtec, can you increase the dB of the airel
[15:24] <Vtec> i don't know how would I find out?
[15:24] <eagles0513875> nice stikonas
[15:25] <Vtec> graingert, I have no idea how can I find out?
[15:25] <graingert> Vtec, aricrack suite
[15:25] <graingert> aircrack-ng suite*
[15:25] <Vtec> hmm idk what that is lol
[15:25] <Vtec> changing wireless channels might help then?
[15:25] <graingert> !aircrack-ng
[15:25] <graingert> !aircrack
[15:26] <graingert> !ubuntu
[15:26] <graingert> ??
[15:26] <graingert> !help
[15:26] <graingert> ugh
[15:26] <graingert> !botabuse | graingert
[15:27] <graingert> !search factoid
[15:27] <NerveClasp> are there some themes for grub2 in project, or it will be b\w? will we be able to set some picture on the background like in grub1?
[15:27] <acicula> graingert: you can boost output power of your wireless, not the sensivity?
[15:28] <graingert> acicula, you can only do that
[15:28] <acicula> that doesnt help the signal strenght then of an AP
[15:28] <graingert> acicula, How can it not?
[15:28] <graingert> acicula, Increasing the signal strength = that
[15:29] <graingert> "that doesnt help the signal strenght then of an AP"
[15:29] <graingert> therefor
[15:29] <graingert>  Increasing the signal strength  doesnt help the signal strenght then of an AP
[15:29] <graingert> acicula, douche
[15:29] <acicula> helps you send stuff farther, doesnt help you receive poor signals from farher away
[15:29] <acicula> there's no need for namecalling
[15:29] <graingert> yes it does
[15:30] <graingert> it's like shouting
[15:30] <graingert> a lower pitch should carry further :-p but that is different physics
[15:32] <Vtec> Hello I have really slow reception to my router under my homepage for configuration I see an option that says Turbo Mode: Enable/Disable it's disabled I've never touched it before, would enabling it increase my signal strength?
[15:33] <chrisw2> Vtec: If you want a sure-fire way of picking up ANY interference on the 2.4GHz band and you don't mind paying, then have a look at the WiSpy. It's a 2.4GHz radio that plugs into the USB port and scans the entire band. Works with Windows and Linux. Cost me £120 I think, but boy is it worth it!
[15:34] <Vtec> no money >.>
[15:34] <chrisw2> Bummer!
[15:34] <eagles0513875> Vtec: i would enable it you have nothing to loose
[15:34] <Vtec> hmm good point
[15:34] <chrisw2> In that case, Aircrack-ng as metioned above, or Kismet, although you'll only pick up WiFi channels and nothing else.
[15:35] <Vtec> is that bad?
[15:35] <chrisw2> Depends on what's causing your low signal.
[15:35] <acicula> the 2.4Ghz wifi operates in is also used by bluetooth and all sorts of other crap like baby monitors, all of which can cause interference
[15:35] <chrisw2> What's the distance between the router and pc?
[15:36] <Vtec> like 15 feet lol
[15:36] <Vtec> maybe 20
[15:36] <chrisw2> Is there a wall separating it, or is it line of sight?
[15:36] <Vtec> no a few walls
[15:36] <eagles0513875> Vtec: can you change the channel or something it could also be conflicting with a neighbors wifi singal
[15:36] <eagles0513875> signal
[15:36] <Vtec> ohhh
[15:36] <Vtec> ill try change channels
[15:36] <chrisw2> How old is the building?
[15:36] <Vtec> and ill enable turbo mode
[15:36] <Vtec> idk chris lol :/
[15:36] <eagles0513875> you wanna know whats funny though ChanServ
[15:37] <eagles0513875> chrisw2:
[15:37] <eagles0513875> im in a stone house and i get signal all over cept in the kitchen lol
[15:37] <eagles0513875> get it in the living area just before the kitchen
[15:37] <eagles0513875> lol
[15:37] <eagles0513875> then again i am on a linksys router
[15:37] <chrisw2> Some new buildings have aluminium sheets in the walls - screws up reception totally. So does copper pipes, central heating etc.
[15:37] <eagles0513875> chrisw2: im in a stone house
[15:37] <eagles0513875> lol
[15:38] <chrisw2> Well I live in Cornwall where many of the older buildings are made of granite and a single granite wall can totally block a WiFi signal
[15:39] <robin0800>  Konversation no longer works. It tries to load libindicate-qt.so.0 but only libindicate-qt.so.1 is available
[15:40] <Kubusticaz> wtf i can't boot anymore
[15:40] <Kubusticaz> and grub?
[15:40] <Amaranth> that's somewhat expected
[15:40] <Kubusticaz> if press shift doesn't appear nothing
[15:40] <Amaranth> robin0800: Koversation should not even be installable
[15:40] <Amaranth> Oh, they broke the packaging :/
[15:41] <robin0800> a
[15:41] <Kubusticaz> anyone can tell me how could i get the menu to chooose recovery kernekl ?
[15:41] <robin0800> Amaranth why whats wrong with it
[15:42] <Amaranth> robin0800: They should have changed the name of the package when they bumped the soname
[15:42] <Amaranth> robin0800: konversation hopefully just needs a rebuild
[15:43] <Kubusticaz> anyone can tell me about the boot?
[15:43] <robin0800> Amaranth well i'm on x-chat now but i don't like it much
[15:43]  * genii-around makes coffee
[15:44] <acicula> Kubusticaz: can you try an older kernel?
[15:44] <Kubusticaz> acicula: well xD i can't choose the older
[15:44] <Kubusticaz> if i press shift doesn't appear the menu
[15:45] <robin0800> Kubusticaz yes if you have an alternate cd
[15:45] <Kubusticaz> welll i have installed....
[15:45] <Kubusticaz> i have not alternate stuff i had a system that worked before of updating
[15:45] <Kubusticaz> but now i can't figure out how to get the grub menu
[15:46] <Kubusticaz> because on wiki it said i should press SHIFT
[15:46] <chrisw2> Kubusticaz: Normally you press ESC
[15:46] <Kubusticaz> mm that was not for grub 1?
[15:46] <Kubusticaz> well i can try again just to try
[15:46] <Kubusticaz> but i think that is grub2
[15:46] <chrisw2> Kubusticaz: Or was it ENTER? Damn, where's a cup of tea when you need it!
[15:47] <robin0800> Kubusticaz If you read the release notes you will see they say you should at least have a live cd before you upgrade to alpha 6
[15:47] <Kubusticaz> i have this live... robin0800
[15:47] <Kubusticaz> or i should write here...
[15:47] <Kubusticaz> should not
[15:48] <Kubusticaz> mm i have seen i have grub.cfg..
[15:48] <Kubusticaz> that's bad
[15:48] <Kubusticaz> it's grub2
[15:49] <routeriplost> anyone know how to find my router ip address...its not appearing the the "route -n" command?
[15:49]  * Kubusticaz rebooting speaking bad words
[15:49] <robin0800> Kubusticaz see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[15:49] <chrisw2> routeriplost: You can take a guess by running /sbin/ifconfig
[15:50] <routeriplost> tried that, tried guessing
[15:50] <BluesKaj> your grub conf file is  /boot/grub/grub.cfg, but it's not editable unless you know what your doing , you edit grub safely in /etc/default/grub but make a backup just in case
[15:50] <chrisw2> routeriplost: Most use 10.0.0.2, 192.168.0.1, 192.168.1.1, 192.168.0.254 or 192.168.1.254
[15:50] <natewiebe13> it anyone having issues with the live cd not booting? (gets to the ubuntu screen and says that the boot cd is unreadable)
[15:50] <chrisw2> routeriplost: Have also seen 10.0.0.138
[15:50] <graingert> routeriplost, reset it?
[15:50] <routeriplost> just booted it
[15:50] <robin0800> Kubusticaz you need to edit /etc/default/grub and then run update-grub
[15:50] <BluesKaj> !grub2
[15:50] <chrisw2> What does route tell you?
[15:50] <graingert> routeriplost, try using ettercap-ng
[15:51] <routeriplost> it tells me my ip of 192.168.158.1
[15:51] <graingert> ok
[15:51] <graingert> what happens when you go there?
[15:51] <routeriplost> it shows the services i am running on localhost
[15:51] <chrisw2> routeriplost: You could also use traceroute - the first item in the list should be your router
[15:51] <graingert> hmm
[15:51] <graingert> chrisw2, good plan
[15:52] <routeriplost> chrisw3: that won't work because i am wirelessly connected to the internet and to the router without internet
[15:52] <natewiebe13> so everyone's alpha 6 live cd is working?
[15:52] <routeriplost> chrisw2: two different connections
[15:52] <dholbach> #ubuntu-classroom Session in 8 minutes: How to run an Ubuntu Jam session!
[15:52] <eagles0513875> im on kubuntu and i can confirm that its workign natewiebe13
[15:52] <graingert> routeriplost, ok disconect the second one
[15:53] <graingert> and use ettercap ng
[15:53] <eagles0513875> dholbach: jam session????
[15:53] <routeriplost> routeriplost: then i will disconnect from irc
[15:53] <eagles0513875> dholbach: what does that mean
[15:53] <graingert> routeriplost, yeah I know
[15:53] <chrisw2> routeriplost: If you have the documentation and the necessary configuration info, then maybe a reset is in order...
[15:53] <graingert> routeriplost, install ettercap-ng first
[15:53] <dholbach> eagles0513875: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams
[15:53] <routeriplost> if its not a router and just a modem, would that make a difference if its giving me an ip of 192.168.157.1?
[15:53] <chrisw2> routeriplost: Only if you know all the settings on there - including port forwarding etc!
[15:53] <eagles0513875> ty dholbach :)
[15:54] <chrisw2> routeriplost: Is this on cable or ADSL?
[15:54] <routeriplost> adsl modem
[15:54] <graingert> hmm
[15:54] <graingert> routeriplost, can't you just read the docs?
[15:54] <chrisw2> routeriplost: Model number?
[15:54] <graingert> routeriplost, what is the make of your router
[15:54] <routeriplost> 3com homeconnect dual link
[15:54] <graingert> routeriplost, is it brand new?
[15:55] <routeriplost> it is, but it is several years old
[15:55] <routeriplost> was sitting in a factory new
[15:56] <graingert> routeriplost, http://www.scribd.com/doc/2091576/3com-Homeconnect-ADSL-cli
[15:56] <chrisw2> routeriplost: I believe that's a modem, not a router. Hence no gateway IP
[15:56] <routeriplost> chrisw2: how do i edit the configurations in it?
[15:57] <chrisw2> routeriplost: Wouldn't know. Have a look at http://www.3com.com/services/
[15:57] <routeriplost> ok, thanks all
[15:58] <natewiebe13> eagles0513875: what did you burn your livecd with?
[15:59] <chrisw2> routeriplost: graingert's link looks promising!
[15:59] <routeriplost> chrisw2: its not loading, has flash and javascript
[15:59] <graingert> chrisw2, w0tt
[15:59] <graingert> chrisw2, w00t*
[16:00] <chrisw2> :)
[16:00] <eagles0513875> natewiebe13: nero i burned it on my windows desktop
[16:01] <eagles0513875> its currently duelbooting with bootcamp on my macbook pro
[16:01] <natewiebe13> okay.. i used brasero and it failed twice
[16:01] <natewiebe13> once it failed fixating, next it finished, but wouldnt boot
[16:01] <routeriplost> thanks though graingert and chris wilson
[16:01] <natewiebe13> *brasero from karmic (fully updated)
[16:01] <chrisw2> routeriplost: You're using a browser that doesn't support flash or js???
[16:01] <graingert> natewiebe13, did you just drag and drop the .iso?
[16:01] <routeriplost> chrisw2: w3m
[16:02] <chrisw2> OIC
[16:02] <graingert> chrisw2, use firefox :-p
[16:02] <natewiebe13> graingert: no.. burn image
[16:02] <Spike1506> I was wondering if the ati bug has been reported already (when using a ati card the gdm keeps looping and the desktop never shows).
[16:02] <graingert> natewiebe13, perhaps?
[16:02] <dmsuperman> How can I set the resolution in 9.10 when it's running in a VM with ubuntu host? The only options in the drop down are "640x480" and "800x600"
[16:03] <graingert> dmsuperman, you need to install the VM's additions
[16:03] <dmsuperman> graingert: The kernel module fails to build :(
[16:03] <natewiebe13> graingert: perhaps what?
[16:03] <graingert> dmsuperman, ok well what is the VM?
[16:03] <dmsuperman> It's VBox
[16:03] <dmsuperman> OSE
[16:03] <graingert> dmsuperman, ok then upgrade to the latest CSE
[16:04] <dmsuperman> Is there a repository for that?
[16:04] <graingert> dmsuperman, yep
[16:05] <graingert> dmsuperman, http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[16:05] <graingert> dmsuperman, "Debian-based Linux distributions: Add one of the following lines according to your distribution to your /etc/apt/sources.list: "
[16:05] <graingert> dmsuperman, then add the key etc (you know the drill)
[16:05] <dmsuperman> Indeed ;)
[16:05] <chrisw2> routeriplost: Either use firefox etc, or if you can't usi a gui then borrow someone else's PC :)
[16:06] <graingert> chrisw2, true, or get an account and wget the .txt
[16:06] <chrisw2> graingert: Indeed
[16:06] <graingert> Crashbit, *high five*
[16:07] <graingert> chrisw2*, *high five*
[16:07] <dmsuperman> graingert: I just realized, how will that make a difference?
[16:07] <dmsuperman> graingert: The module fails to build inside the guest
[16:07] <dmsuperman> graingert: Won't it still fail?
[16:07] <graingert> dmsuperman, yeah but it includes a later version of the guest additions
[16:07] <dmsuperman> I see
[16:07] <graingert> dmsuperman, they upgrade them each time as well as the vm code
[16:08] <xmnt> when is the beta expected to be released?
[16:08] <graingert> xmnt, look at topic
[16:08] <xmnt> graingert, yes I'm using alpha6
[16:09] <graingert> xmnt, no look at it again
[16:09] <xmnt> graingert, and?
[16:09] <graingert> xmnt, if I have to paste you the link
[16:09] <graingert> xmnt, I will slap you with a wet fish
[16:09] <xmnt> graingert, you could've just answered and saved about 4 lines of text
[16:09] <graingert> xmnt, ok you get slapped
[16:10] <xmnt> graingert, let me show you ... in 2 weeks ... that would've been a good one
[16:10] <graingert> xmnt, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[16:10]  * graingert slaps xmnt with a wet fish
[16:10] <xmnt> or here ... maybe like this ... sept. 28th ... theres another good one
[16:11] <graingert> xmnt, just pipe the topic to grep "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule"
[16:11] <dmsuperman> lol
[16:11] <graingert> !topic | xmnt
[16:12] <graingert> dmsuperman, your vm working yet?
[16:12] <graingert> dmsuperman, what version of ubuntu is the guest?
[16:13] <chrisw2> routeriplost: Just reading the pdf, it says the IP address is set up when the IP wizard is run ( a Windows program no less). Is this fresh out of the box or has it been used before?
[16:13] <dmsuperman> graingert: alpha6 is the guest
[16:13] <dmsuperman> graingert: It's still downloading the non-ose version
[16:13] <graingert> dmsuperman, what it the host?
[16:13] <graingert> dmsuperman, jaunty?
[16:13] <dmsuperman> Indeed
[16:14] <graingert> dmsuperman, epic
[16:14] <[GuS_home]> guys... in karmic i am upgrading postfix and failis to finish cause of this: postfix/postfix-script: warning: stopping the Postfix mail system with force
[16:14] <dmsuperman> :)
[16:14] <[GuS_home]> and says "fail"
[16:14] <Blinkiz> I would like to run my virtual machines with hugepages activated. In jaunty and before, I had a little bash script with the line "exec kvm --mem-path /hugepages $@", that libvirt had in it's emulator path. In karmic, libvirt is complaining that this bash script is not a binary file and will not start the virtual machine. So, how can I go around the problem so libvirt accepts my bash script as a valid emulator? Or, how do I activate hugepage in l
[16:14] <Blinkiz> ibvirt with the version supplied in karmic?
[16:17] <graingert> dmsuperman, give me a ping when it's done
[16:17] <dmsuperman> graingert: It's building the vboxdrv modules now
[16:18] <graingert> graingert, oober do you have DKMS?
[16:18] <ikonia> tooquick for me
[16:19] <routeriplost> why is the apply button always grayed out in any preferences of any editted network connection?
[16:21] <TheFuzzball> Has anyone had problems with splashx in a VM?
[16:21] <dmsuperman> graingert: K, non-ose installed and my guest is booted
[16:21] <dmsuperman> graingert: I'm trying to install the guest module again
[16:21] <graingert> dmsuperman, epic
[16:21] <graingert> dmsuperman, version 3.0?
[16:22] <dmsuperman> Roughly
[16:22] <dmsuperman> 3.0.6
[16:22] <graingert> dmsuperman, ah ok
[16:22] <eurythmia> is there a *good* way to upgrade from alpha 5 to alpha 6 ?
[16:22] <graingert> dmsuperman, all good so far :-D
[16:22] <graingert> eurythmia, clean install from burnt iso
[16:23] <eurythmia> I see. Any other contenders?
[16:23] <kklimonda> hey, is "open files" limit from ulimit -n set per application or for user?
[16:23] <dmsuperman> graingert: It works, thanks for your help :)
[16:25] <graingert> dmsuperman, w00t
[16:25] <dmsuperman> Well, mostly, the guest auto-resize doesn't work
[16:25] <graingert> dmsuperman, that never worked for me :-(
[16:26] <graingert> dmsuperman, perhaps a reboot of the guest and host
[16:26] <dmsuperman> I think I just got it, it just takes some "jiggling" :P
[16:26] <graingert> dmsuperman, yep xD
[16:26] <graingert> dmsuperman, x needs native support for that kinda thing
[16:28] <dmsuperman> I heard 3.0 includes direct 3d access to the video card, is this true?
[16:30] <Twigathy> wahey, the latest set of updates trashed my NFS root install
[16:30] <chrisw2> dmsuperman: direct3d is experimental, but works OK
[16:31] <chrisw2> dmsuperman: OpenGL support appeared in version 2.x
[16:31] <Twigathy> I get this just before it hangs: "udevd-work[1225]: error changing netif name eth0 to eth3: Device or resource busy"
[16:31] <dmsuperman> Hmm
[16:31] <dmsuperman> chrisw2: Would you say it's good enough to play a game with?
[16:33] <chrisw2> dmsuperman: Depends on the game. Suck it and see really. That said, I've seen some games refuse to install or run on PCs that don't support virtualisation (they complain about a debugger being installed) but this is in no way related to 3D support
[16:33] <chrisw2> dmsuperman: OpenGL games will probably run better than Direct3D ones.
[16:35] <natewiebe13> still no luck with burning alpha 6, both with ultraiso for windows and brasero for ubuntu.. im using the i386 desktop cd
[16:36] <natewiebe13> would all of the bugs on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ be fixed for alpha 6?
[16:36] <thiebaude> i click on a floppy drive icon and nothing happens
[16:37] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis,  are you here?
[16:39] <Twigathy> mmmm....
[16:39] <Twigathy> anybody know about udev and where its rules live, specifically ones related to networking?
[16:40] <Twigathy> I need to disable the if renaming/mangling it does on boot...
[16:43] <chrisw2> Twigathy: Look in /etc/udev/rules.d if memory serves me correctly
[16:44] <Twigathy> ah, yep, you're right
[16:44] <Twigathy> ackkk.... different flavour of broken now!
[16:46] <chrisw2> Shouldn't fiddle ;)
[16:47] <Twigathy> chrisw2: well... I'm trying to work out what precisely has broken my NFS root setup so I can report a bug!
[16:47] <chrisw2> Logs not giving any clues?
[16:47] <Twigathy> I don't get logs, the boot fails before then
[16:48] <chrisw2> dmesg?
[16:48] <Twigathy> I don't get that far into boot, that's the problem ;)
[16:48] <chrisw2> Oh
[16:48] <Twigathy> udev messes with the interface names and the boot hangs
[16:49] <qcode> Will Ubuntu 9.10 come with KDE 4.3?
[16:49] <chrisw2> Maybe you need to look in etc/network/interfaces and check nothing's amiss there.
[16:50] <Twigathy> That's blank, other than lo :o
[16:50] <Twigathy> maybe if I add in the auto eth0 stuffs
[16:51] <chrisw2> It's worth a shot.
[16:51]  * Twigathy tries this :)
[16:51] <chrisw2> What killed it?
[16:51] <Twigathy> me
[16:51] <chrisw2> Oooohkay.
[16:51] <Twigathy> i think due to a different bug
[16:53] <chrisw2> Are you registered with ubuntuforums.org? Someone there might be able to help you better...
[16:54] <Twigathy> I ... might be >_<
[16:54] <Twigathy> Don't remember
[16:54] <Twigathy> trouble is it's such a hilariously low-impact bug because I bet there's next to nobody that uses NFS root c_c
[16:56] <Dr_Willis> !info kde
[16:56] <Spike1506> !info kde-desktop
[16:56] <Spike1506> must be kubuntu-desktop i believe
[16:57] <Dr_Willis> im not sure how well the package versions match up with the actual KDE versions
[16:57] <oldude67> now that is bull i am running it.
[16:57] <Dr_Willis> !info kubuntu-desktop
[16:57] <Dr_Willis> !info konqueror
[16:58] <Dr_Willis> so version 4:4.3.1  -  the 4.3.1 matches the KDE version?
[16:58] <Dr_Willis> Ive never understood the versioning # scheme
[16:59] <Twigathy> well, I can get back into my pre-update state ^_^
[16:59] <chrisw2> Ah well, shuttign up shop and heading home. Peace-out guys!
[16:59] <Twigathy> messy messy
[16:59] <Twigathy> o/
[17:02] <Cyberkilla> Yay
[17:02] <Cyberkilla> The xsplash is not ugly any more.
[17:02] <Cyberkilla> I wonder what they do with the GDM theme.
[17:04] <malnilion> Cyberkilla, yeah, it would be nice if it would sort of match the xsplash.
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. If one plugs in a exteranal usb hard drive - NTFS filesystem.. Does it pop up an icon for you guys? its not doing it here.
[17:05] <Cyberkilla> : )
[17:05] <malnilion> Dr_Willis, I'm running netbook edition and it pops up here.
[17:05] <Dr_Willis> not sure if its a user setting or somthing else goofed.
[17:05] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. My new 1.5 gb Hd is only 1.36gb  :P
[17:06] <Cyberkilla> Dr_Willis: Sorry, I only have one external HDD and it's ext3.
[17:06] <graingert> Dr_Willis, prolly a permissions problem
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> cd Yea. this one is about to become ext3 :)
[17:06] <Cyberkilla> Oh, I hate the way they do that. The GB/GiB trick.
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> as long as they all use the same #'scheme i guess it dont matter.
[17:07] <Cyberkilla> Plus the space reserved by the "master file table".
[17:07] <Dr_Willis> I got 4TB of external USB drives now on this box.
[17:07] <Cyberkilla> Nice
[17:07] <Cyberkilla> I barely use any space.
[17:08] <Dr_Willis> Speaking of External USb.. saw some that had network ports.. Now Networking + samba - would that be faster or slower then a straight USB conection? Im not sure how the samba overhead would affect speeds.
[17:08] <Cyberkilla> That said, my 80GB external drive is almost full. I'm scared to delete anything, so I have copies of folders with very subtle changes to the files in each one.
[17:08] <Cyberkilla> Hmm.
[17:08] <Dr_Willis> Ive gone from Stacks of Floppies.. to Stacks of CD's to Stacks of DVD's to Stacks of USB hard Drives.
[17:09] <Cyberkilla> If you had a gigabit ethernet connection, what would that equate to? Without overhead compensating... 1,000Mb / 8 = 125MiB/s?
[17:09] <graingert> Dr_Willis, when will the cloud finally be viable!!
[17:09] <Cyberkilla> Is that right? 125MiB per second.
[17:09] <Dr_Willis> graingert:  im not even sure what all this buzzwords about 'cloud' actually mean... :)
[17:09] <Dr_Willis> Cyberkilla:  i never can get the #'s straight.
[17:09] <graingert> Dr_Willis, Cloud means some other bugger deals with it
[17:10] <Cyberkilla> Cloud is a novel idea, when you are referring to some technology out of star trek.
[17:10] <Dr_Willis> Cyberkilla:  so a hard drive itself would be the bottleneck - on a Gigibit Network  then?
[17:10] <graingert> Cyberkilla, like an automatic door or the Iphone
[17:10] <Cyberkilla> "Cloud" as it means now, is just a series of proprietary server clusters:P
[17:10] <Cyberkilla> lol
[17:10] <Cyberkilla> I mean, Memory Alpha/LCARS
[17:11] <graingert> Cyberkilla, or open servers they can cloud too you know
[17:11]  * Dr_Willis does know it takes a long time to fill up 1.5TB on usb, :)
[17:11] <Cyberkilla> I want a computer with KiloQuads of memory.
[17:11] <blackxored> as I stated before, I'm download karmic-a6 now, has anyone ran it on vmware server???
[17:12] <Cyberkilla> graingert: That's true, but the underlying technologies are proprietary, aren't they?
[17:12] <Cyberkilla> It's just a virtual machine, isn't it?
[17:12] <Cyberkilla> You stick the OS into a virtualised environment. I'm just pretending to know how these Cloud networks work.
[17:13] <Cyberkilla> They seem like overhead central to me though.
[17:13] <ActionParsnip> hey guys, i'm trying to map my super key to show my apps menu (start menu style) following this guide: http://www.brighthub.com/computing/linux/articles/43491.aspx
[17:13] <Cyberkilla> They can't possible be more cost effective or efficient than a cluster of dedicated servers.
[17:13] <Cyberkilla> It won't work, afaik.
[17:13] <ActionParsnip> I get to System → Preferences → Keyboard Shortcuts but I dont see Show the panel's main menu. under desktop
[17:13] <Cyberkilla> It is regarded like SHIFT/ALT/CTRL
[17:14] <Cyberkilla> It is a modifier Key in linux.
[17:14] <graingert> Cyberkilla, no eukaliptus?
[17:14] <Cyberkilla> So you can't assign WINKEY as a keybinding. Unless something has changed recently.
[17:14] <ActionParsnip> Cyberkilla: xev returns Super_L
[17:14] <Dr_Willis> whoa.. they did some work with the ntfs-3g stuff? I just mounted my extarnal ntfs (brand new) via fstab/hand and got the message
[17:14] <Dr_Willis> The disk contains an unclean file system (0, 1).
[17:14] <Dr_Willis> The file system wasn't safely closed on Windows. Fixing.
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> Thats a new feature now isent it. :)
[17:15] <graingert> Dr_Willis, Fixing it?
[17:15] <ActionParsnip> Cyberkilla: you are right. i cant assign it to anything
[17:15] <Cyberkilla> ActionParsnip: I am not 100%, but that is what I've been told. I tried it too. It's still work looking around, but it might be in vain.
[17:15] <graingert> Dr_Willis, that's dangerous
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> Yea.. not sure what it fixed. :) the drive is empty ntfs.
[17:15] <graingert> Dr_Willis, Does it work now?
[17:15] <Cyberkilla> Wow! It fixes now? That annoyed the heck out of me.
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> graingert:  it  just did it.. so  this may or may not become a potentially dangerous issue  when 9.10 comes out.
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> graingert:  its mounted. :)
[17:15] <graingert> lol
[17:15] <ActionParsnip> mod4+z turned up when i press win+z
[17:16] <Dr_Willis> It may of NOT been automounting it because of that 'needing fixed'
[17:16] <Dr_Willis> lets see if it mounts now,
[17:17] <Dr_Willis> Desktop still dident automount it. Odd
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> its automounting my other 2 external ntfs drives.
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> wonder if the funny label is causing the issue -> rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-09-18 12:17 Iomega\x20HDD -> ../../sdi1
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> i wonder what \x20 means.. ? space?
[17:19] <Cyberkilla> Iomega:O I had a ZIP drive.
[17:19] <Cyberkilla> That was some shortlived technology.
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> They are making a comeback.. personally i dont care for the company.. but this week it was their brand that was on sale.
[17:19] <NoelJB> is it known that dpkg and emacs are co-broken dependencies?
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> at least the HD is compact.. with a Metal Case. and seems to be quiet
[17:20] <Cyberkilla> I think Bluray will fail too.
[17:20] <Cyberkilla> The next thing will be really high capacity flash.
[17:21] <Cyberkilla> Solid state, with no moving parts.
[17:21] <Cyberkilla> That's the next evolutionary step to become mainstream.
[17:21] <Cyberkilla> It'll have to become more standardised though.
[17:21] <Cyberkilla> I mean, in the beginning there were hundreds of formats.. compactflash, memory stick, etc
[17:22] <Cyberkilla> But it looks like SD Card is becoming more dominant.
[17:22] <BluesKaj> there a 2TB SSdrive out , if you wanna shell out 5grand
[17:22] <genii-around> Cyberkilla: Our local video store already rents movies on USB stick that just plug into your cablebox/PVR
[17:22] <ActionParsnip> magnetic ram will be next
[17:22] <Cyberkilla> Magnetic RAM?:O
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> Ive still not seen   a type of sdd you can plug straight into an IDE port other then CF with the right adaptor
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> or do they have IDE->sd adaptors?
[17:23] <genii-around> Dr_Willis: Yes, they do
[17:23] <Cyberkilla> :O
[17:23] <ActionParsnip> Cyberkilla: storage on the motherboard, no slow controllers, system is always in ram as are all user files
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> someone was asking about USB -> ide (to make a silent booting system from a internal usb thimbdrive, only over the ide channel)
[17:23] <ActionParsnip> (if there is enough space)
[17:24] <Cyberkilla> So it's essentially non-volatile ram?
[17:24] <Cyberkilla> Nice
[17:24] <genii-around> Dr_Willis: for one: http://www.addonics.com/products/flash_memory_reader/adidesd.asp
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> genii-around:  cool. I could use one in some older machines i got. :)
[17:24] <BluesKaj> 2TB SSdrive http://www.techspot.com/news/36245-super-talent-to-ship-2tb-ssds-in-october.html
[17:24] <ActionParsnip> Cyberkilla: yes, people may have ssd harddrives but they still use 300Mbps SATA interfaces
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> slowwwww
[17:25] <Dr_Willis> I saw a 3.5 bay today that you could plug in SATA drives  into.   You could have  a stack of 1TB drives as cartriges.
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> genii-around:  oh cool. that thing does more then just SD cards also. :) thats a win!
[17:27] <Cyberkilla> I love how shifting 300,000,000 on/off patterns in a second is considered slow nowadays:P
[17:27] <genii-around> Dr_Willis: That place has all kinds of cool adapters.. SCSI-sata, etc
[17:27] <Dr_Willis> but i wonder why it has a 40 and 44 pin  conectors on it...
[17:27] <Cyberkilla> Talk about progress:P I wonder how fast these things will be in 2030
[17:28] <Dr_Willis> genii-around:  here we go.. a pci card you can put 4 CF cards in :)
[17:29] <Dr_Willis> Why are CF cards so commonly used for this? are they more relieable or somting?
[17:29] <wastrel> cf cards eh
[17:30] <wastrel> theyre faster i think than SD?
[17:30] <genii-around> Dr_Willis: On my home monster I have 10 1Tb drives set up in 2 bootable RAID 1 (4 drives there) and a RAID 5 with the rest, all using trayless system which go in the 5 1/4"   bays
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> Looking at that site.. the CF to 'whatever' adaptors outnumber  everything else
[17:31] <Dr_Willis> ive slowly replaced all my 'lots of drives' with a few TB sized drives. :)
[17:31] <mrmcq2u> is bluetooth working for anyone atm?
[17:31] <Cyberkilla> I've heard a few complaints about bluetooth on the karmic forums over the past couple of days.
[17:32] <Cyberkilla> But myself, I haven't tried bluetooth for weeks.
[17:32] <BluesKaj> genii-around, running a neighborhood server ?  :)
[17:33] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Our home network includes all the neighbours within wifi range and that particular box serves streaming media (movies, music, etc)
[17:34] <mrmcq2u> my adapter doesnt seem to be recognized anymore
[17:35] <BluesKaj> genii-around, sounds cool
[17:38] <mrmcq2u> is it working for anyone else
[17:38] <mrmcq2u> or is the bluetooth icon showing up in the taskbar
[17:40] <robin0800> mrmcq2u>is the service turned on
[17:42] <robin0800> mrmcq2u>also start from preferences and make sure show blutooth icon is checked
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> heh.. the gnome file manager says its going to take approx 7 hrs at 19.3 MB/sec to copy 520GB from one of my external usb hard drives.. to  the new one. :)
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> 19.3 MB/Sec - thats rather fast for a USB drive isent it?
[17:42] <Tekno> yup
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> I wonder if the #'s are lieing...
[17:44] <Tekno> USB 2.0 is 480Mb/s - half of that in one speed, makes 240Mb/s = 30MB/s... but theres overhead etc so 20MB/s is ok.
[17:44] <Dr_Willis> Im used to my USB flash drives.. those are MUCh slower. :)
[17:45] <Cyberkilla> USB3 was meant to be optical
[17:45] <Cyberkilla> But it isn't, is it?
[17:45] <Cyberkilla> Shame
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> ive not even seen  any usb3 things yet.
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> Whatever happened to that 'wireless usb' stuff that was supposed to be the next big thing.
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> Put your printer/mouse/whatever anywhere.
[17:46] <Cyberkilla> I think Bluetooth happened.
[17:46] <Cyberkilla> Wireless power is the next "big thing"
[17:46] <Cyberkilla> I can't see that catching on though.
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> bluetooth is the kind of thing that should be built in to every mb/laptop/whatever...
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> It cant add that much more to the cost of a mb.
[17:47] <Dr_Willis> Of course once ya start to use it.. you realize how slow it can be. :(
[17:47] <graingert> Cyberkilla, Bluetooh 3 is coming out
[17:47] <Cyberkilla> It's simply too wasteful and the health issues when you're converting 240VAC 13AMP into electromagnetic radiation can't be good.
[17:47] <graingert> Cyberkilla, it's basically bluetooth 2 that initiates 802.11
[17:47] <Cyberkilla> wow
[17:47] <graingert> Cyberkilla, no, it works through resonation
[17:48] <graingert> Cyberkilla, as in the radiation is inefectual unless you have a body with the specific arial ness
[17:48] <Cyberkilla> It operates on the same theory as radio, surely? You emit an electromagnetic field and coils induct electricity from it.
[17:48] <Cyberkilla> I see.
[17:49] <Cyberkilla> I is certainly very cool, but the fact is, they want a phone to be able to charge from it.
[17:49] <graingert> Cyberkilla, yeah but they fixed it "somehow"
[17:49] <Cyberkilla> If a phone has a large enough reciever, surely it will affect the body.
[17:49] <graingert> Cyberkilla, they yet to tell us how
[17:50] <Cyberkilla> Typical:)
[17:51] <graingert> Cyberkilla, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonant_energy_transfer
[17:51] <graingert> Cyberkilla, sounds like Cloud tech to me :-p
[17:51] <graingert> Cyberkilla, along with automatic doors and iphones ;-)
[17:51] <Dr_Willis> I think they got Wii Chargers that use that wirless-power stuff now..
[17:51] <graingert> Dr_Willis, no, they connect via metal contacts
[17:52] <Cyberkilla> I have a toothbrush that charges through induction.
[17:52] <Dr_Willis> graingert:  that how they work? :) ive just seen them in the stores.
[17:52] <graingert> Dr_Willis, 3 pins too, one for + one for ground and one for data?
[17:52] <Dr_Willis> ones i saw was some tablet you just lay the wii contorler down on.
[17:52] <graingert> Dr_Willis, dunno what they need on the third pin but hey
[17:52] <graingert> Dr_Willis, never seen them
[17:53] <Dr_Willis> Ive alwo heard of some of these game-controllers rechargers.. causing fires.. :)
[17:53]  * graingert becomes an afkan
[17:54] <David-T> uh... is there any replacement for /etc/init.d/udev refresh-devices ?
[17:55] <Dr_Willis> I dont even know what that does.. :)
[17:55] <Dr_Willis> but ive been seeing some udev messages at boot up.
[17:57] <David-T> well i've got some udev rules that i want to run whenever certain devices are attached, including at boot up, and it only seemed to work in jaunty if I poked a call to /etc/init.d/udev refresh-devices at a certain point in the boot sequence
[17:57] <David-T> unfortunately that option no longer exists....
[17:58] <Dr_Willis> Over my head. :) neat idea.. but that part of the OS has had some major changes I think.
[17:58] <Dr_Willis> From what ive been reading/skimming
[18:00] <David-T> yeah...
[18:00] <David-T> i just now have no idea what to do instead
[18:00] <David-T> although it was always an ugly hack anyway, i just stopped caring because it did what i wanted
[18:01] <Dr_Willis> :)
[18:02] <Dr_Willis> Plug and play stuff alwyas seems to be a bit ugly
[18:02] <Dr_Willis> I long for the good old says of my windowmaker and a little wmaker warf app that let me mount things via buttons.
[18:02] <Dr_Willis> heh.
[18:02] <David-T> heh
[18:02] <Dr_Willis> 'now was my flash drive sdb or sdg this time......'
[18:02] <Dr_Willis> oops! formated the wrong one!
[18:03] <Dr_Willis> Been there.. done that. :)
[18:04] <graingert> Dr_Willis, shame
[18:04] <David-T> hmm
[18:04] <mrmcq2u> so is bluetooth working for anyone?
[18:05]  * David-T just uses udevadm trigger which is essentially what udev refresh-devices did anyway
[18:07] <graingert> Cyberkilla|AFK, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiTricity
[18:19] <Hetor`> Hey, I have just installed Kubuntu netbook remix under VBox and I have a dumb question... how do I change the wallpaper? :s
[18:24] <dutchie>  /part
[18:26] <mrmcq2u> bluetooth working for anyone at all
[18:30] <MindVirus5> Hello. Can someone set bug 405227 to Critical?
[18:34] <ripps> I've been using gnome-do forever, so I never noticed until now that the alt+f2 panel-run-dialog is missing
[18:43] <MindVirus5> Nobody wants to/can change the bug importance?
[18:44] <Dr_Willis> That would have to be done through the bugtracker web site i imagine. Not from here.
[18:44] <genii-around> MindVirus5: Whichever packager(s) it got sent to decides
[18:45] <Wizzup> Hello, I am in need of some help. I am trying to update my system, but it always stops with this error:
[18:45] <Wizzup> http://wizzup.pastebin.com/d3f6bd99b
[18:46] <Wizzup> I can't find out a way to resolve these dependencies
[18:46] <Wizzup> figure*
[18:46] <MsMaco> genii-around: er...or any bugcontrol member can set it
[18:46] <genii-around> MsMaco: Ah, OK
[18:46] <DWonderly> Okay, im missing something here. I'm testing the liveCD of KDE Netbook with the plasma desktop. Somehow I'm stuck in a mode to move the widgets and the application toolbar on top. How do I lock everythign in place so that I can switch from Applications to Newspaper etc etc...
[18:47] <Wizzup> I have the issue as this person, it seems: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ffmpeg-extra/+bug/418785
[18:48] <Wizzup> Any ideas?
[18:53] <MsMaco> DWonderly: is there a cashew?
[18:53] <MsMaco> DWonderly: that usually is used for locking widgets.  see also: #kubuntu-netbook
[18:57] <bipolar> is anyone else getting a shared lib error when trying to run kmail after updating today?
[18:57] <bipolar> kmail: error while loading shared libraries: libindicate-qt.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:57] <bipolar> looks like libindicate was upgraded to so.1 and kmail is looking for the old lib.
[19:17] <soomon> hey there, just tried the new alpha of ubuntu, but when i ude the normal install cd it hangs directly before showing the login (i get the graphica loading screen for a while). so i tried the altzernate version. i can install and get to the login but when i log in the screen fhlashes one time and i am back at the login.. any ideas? got an ati card (4870). also tried failsafe. but there are 2 udev error messages at th eboot :S
[19:20] <soomon> any ideas?
[19:22] <wastrel> i recommend checking your xorg.conf file see what driver it thinks it's using.
[19:23] <soomon> i dont have one.. there is just none -.-
[19:23] <soomon> how do i create one? is there a tool for it?
[19:27] <soomon> or do i have to figure it out by hand and copy it into the system?
[19:30] <wastrel> hrm what does startx give you?
[19:30] <wastrel> also /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:30] <soomon> h.. good question.. it always startx . i couldn't even kill it :S
[19:30] <soomon> i will have a look at the log file thanks!
[19:32] <duffydack> cheesey banner
[19:33] <edoceo> I just tried to use today's update and now my X is dead :(  so is my network :(
[19:38] <genii-around> edoceo: Note that's why in part the channel topic reads:"Karmic is NOT RELEASED and may break your system"
[19:42] <robin0800> genii-around>and read the release notes for alpha 6
[19:43] <robin0800> perhaps read the release notes for alpha 6 could be added to the topic
[19:46] <edoceo> genii-around: Yea - I know *may break*, that's why I'm running it.  Also, why I'm asking here, not #ubuntu.
[19:46] <edoceo> So, has anyone seen this same breakage or is it needing a bug?
[19:49] <robin0800> edoceo have you tried startx
[19:49] <edoceo> yes, then it will run.  But I also have to manually start dhclient3 on eth0 and hal before x runs
[19:50] <edoceo> I've had this happen on two of my Karmic machines,
[19:56] <solarion> at least you can boot. :(
[20:02] <zniavre> !udev
[20:02] <zniavre> !boot
[20:03] <Laibsch> Hi
[20:04] <Laibsch> Anybody else experiencing issues with overheating and thermal control since the last two or three days?  My computer shut down a few times on its own now which it has never done previously.
[20:05] <Laibsch> bug 432670
[20:05] <swtaarrs> is there a way to restore the icons on my buttons in karmic?
[20:06] <zniavre> buttons or menus ?
[20:07] <swtaarrs> buttons, I got the menu icons back
[20:07] <swtaarrs> in the appearance prefs
[20:08] <Cynthia> Sigh, Totem is deadlocking so bad
[20:08] <zniavre> gconf-editor /desktop/gnome/interface/buttons_have_icons
[20:09] <Cyberkilla|AFK> zniavre: Totem is messed up for me too. The volume control is crazy and seeking is glitchy.
[20:09] <Cynthia> I started it, then closed it, and it deadlocked. I tried to play a mpeg4 file and got the plugin search, but this "did not provide all requested plugins". And now I have an mp3 file that is playing right now with a grey Totem
[20:09] <zniavre> that 's true even with streaming
[20:10] <swtaarrs> zniavre: thanks, that fix it. but...why did they change the default?
[20:11] <swtaarrs> s/fix/fixed/
[20:13] <zniavre> swtaarrs, http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyseven/ReleaseNotes   gnome specification i guess
[20:14] <zniavre> General
[20:14] <zniavre>     * Menus and buttons don't show icons anymore by default.
[20:14] <swtaarrs> ugh
[20:14] <swtaarrs> ok so that doesn't surprise me, but then why have a checkbox for menu icons but not button icons?
[20:14] <swtaarrs> button icons are far more visible, and coming from a previous release it just looks broken
[20:16] <Cynthia> I don't even know where to start to report these deadlocks in Totem, because there seem to be so many for different reasons
[20:16] <ripps> the new software store is nice, but I miss the ratings from add/remove. I think it helped you when choosing what the choose, the only question I have has it where did it's ratings come from?
[20:16] <Cynthia> there's a visualisation deadlock, an audio read deadlock and a close deadlock now
[20:16] <ripps> I gave up on totem a long time ago. smplayer+mplayer all the way
[20:17] <Cynthia> ripps: the ratings come from the popularity-contest package
[20:17] <Cynthia> ripps: Software Sources / Statistics / [x] Submit statistical information
[20:18] <Awsoonn_> hi all, I just did updates last night and got hit by bug #432114
[20:19] <ripps> Cynthia: Ah, I didn't realize that was responsible. I wonder if they're going to integrate into software store as well
[20:19] <Awsoonn_> My system is unable to connect to the internet or show a graphical interface. The CLI doesn't scare me, the fact ifconfig shows no devices does. Help?
[20:20] <Cyberkilla|AFK> That was happening to me after resuming from hibernation (no network devices in /dev/). No eth or wifi.
[20:20] <Cyberkilla|AFK> I haven't tried it since yesterday. I'm hoping this wave of updates sorted it out:P
[20:21] <Awsoonn_> Cyberkilla|AFK: any idea how to manually activate eth0 and freinds?
[20:21] <kklimonda> does anyone know good replacement for handbrake?
[20:22] <Cyberkilla|AFK> Sorry, I don't know.
[20:22] <Cyberkilla|AFK> I never looked into it, because a reboot would fix it.
[20:22] <dmsuperman> kklimonda: ogmrip
[20:23]  * David-T raises an eyebrow as 'sync(1)' takes around 2 minutes to return
[20:23] <Awsoonn_> that's no fun. :)
[20:24] <rysiek|pl> yello
[20:24] <rysiek|pl> any KDE guys here?
[20:24] <rysiek|pl> or, for that matter, D-Bus-literate?
[20:25] <Awsoonn_> I'm seeing a pattern here with dbus....
[20:25] <rysiek|pl> d'h
[20:25] <Cyberkilla|AFK> Yes, it's mentioned a few times in the karmic forum.
[20:25] <rysiek|pl> *d'oh
[20:26] <rysiek|pl> anywhoo... there seems to be a "convention" that a dbus session is triggered for each host:user:display:screen combo
[20:26] <rysiek|pl> at least so I have heard
[20:26] <rysiek|pl> ut apparently this is not happening in Karmic, at least in Kubuntu Karmic
[20:26] <rysiek|pl> *but
[20:27] <rysiek|pl> anybody has a clue where to look to have a shot in fixing that?
[20:27]  * Crashbit se va a tomar mas garimbas!
[20:27] <kklimonda> dmsuperman: it doesn't seem I can actually re-encode files using it, can I?
[20:27] <Crashbit> sorry
[20:29] <dmsuperman> kklimonda: It doesn't do transcodes, as far as I can tell
[20:29] <dmsuperman> kklimonda: Just DVD rips
[20:29] <crdlb> rysiek|pl: there should be a session bus for each user session
[20:29] <crdlb> so separate screens would not have their own session bus
[20:30] <rysiek|pl> ok, thanks
[20:30] <dmsuperman> kklimonda: You know that transcodes are generally bad, right?
[20:30] <TLF> hello, this is not the channel, but can anyone help me with rsync?
[20:31] <wastrel> rsync -avz source user@example.com/path/to/destination
[20:31] <TLF> wastrel: yeah, I know that
[20:31] <kklimonda> dmsuperman: yeah, I know - but that's not really a problem - I'm going to watch them on my G1 anyway
[20:31] <TLF> wastrel: but mine is a more complicated case
[20:31] <TLF> I'll explain
[20:31] <TLF> In my concrete case, I want to copy the whole contents of a $DIR to a $ANOTHERDIR, but in $ANOTHERDIR there are some files (which are not in $DIR), will rsync delete those files in $ANOTHERDIR?
[20:31] <TLF> this in local
[20:31] <dmsuperman> kklimonda: I see, well at any rate if you don't mind using command line applications ffmpeg is a fantastic tool
[20:32] <dmsuperman> kklimonda: vlc also does video transcoding with a variety of output options
[20:32] <wastrel> rsync never deletes unless you specify the delete flag
[20:32] <dmsuperman> TLF: Only if you use --delete
[20:32] <TLF> thank you very much to all
[20:32] <kklimonda> dmsuperman: frankly, too much digging though manuals and internet to get the right settings for ffmpeg. There is a nice profile for "iphone" in handbrake I can use for my G1 and in two clicks get video.
[20:33] <kklimonda> dmsuperman: anyway, svn version of handbreak seems to work so no problem.
[20:34] <dmsuperman> kklimonda: All depends on your needs, the ability to do something like "ffmpeg -i something.flac -ab 320k something.mp3" for instance is obviously much faster than digging through a GUI to select everything
[20:34] <Gletob> Hey what's the option to make the alternate cd install grub legacy?
[20:34] <dmsuperman> kklimonda: Glad to hear things worked out though :)
[20:35] <rysiek|pl> crdlb: plasma guys (aseigo for that matter) claims that there theorethically be a dbus session per screen...
[20:37] <kklimonda> dmsuperman: I need right aspect ration, transcode audio to aac and video to h.264 and pack them in the right container. sure, when I just have to transcode from flac to mp3 I can use ffmpeg (or even better banshee "detects" that my phone doesn't support flac and transcode them itself).
[20:39] <wastrel> so wait koala is releasing in october
[20:39] <crdlb> rysiek|pl: well, I'm pretty sure gnome at least doesn't do that
[20:39] <Gletob> No one knows what the option is?
[20:39] <wastrel> and then koala+1 is lts?
[20:39] <crdlb> but asking #dbus is a good idea :)
[20:40] <Gletob> To make the altenate cd install grub lagacy.
[20:41] <rysiek|pl> crdlb: I just did. it's being debated here, as it turns out: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17970
[20:41] <crdlb> rysiek|pl: I know :)
[20:42] <rysiek|pl> d'oh
[20:42] <rysiek|pl> crdlb: why didn't you tell me, then?.. -_-'
[20:43] <crdlb> I meant that I know you just asked in #dbus
[20:43] <natewiebe13> something is very wrong with the alpha 6 live cds for i386.. ive downloaded it twice and burned with 2 different programs  on two different operating systems and computers, and tested the cd on multiple computers and they all say "boot cd error" after choosing to either "try ubuntu without any changes to system" or "install ubuntu"
[20:45] <natewiebe13> it cant just be me.. anyone else experience this?
[20:45] <guntbert> how to resolve the following aptitude messages after update + safe-upgrade?
[20:45] <guntbert> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[20:45] <guntbert>   erlang-base-hipe: Conflicts: erlang-base but 1:13.b.1-dfsg-2 is installed.
[20:45] <guntbert>   erlang-base: Conflicts: erlang-base-hipe but 1:13.b.1-dfsg-2 is to be installed.
[20:45] <virtuald> Something IS very wrong indeed
[20:46] <guntbert> natewiebe13: did you check your isos with md5sum?
[20:46] <natewiebe13> guntbert: yes.. they checked out both times
[20:46] <guntbert> natewiebe13: I'll give it a try
[20:47] <rysiek|pl> crdlb: ah, sorry. I am jut trying to pin-point something, and plasma guys blame ubuntu's dbus usage; ubuntu says it's not an error and I'm a bit "touchy" after a few hours of trying to get simple info ;)
[20:47] <JEEBsv> Good evening. I was just safe-upgrading my karmic netbook remix setup and after the newest update batch with the dpkg update my system doesn't seem to want to boot. Any suggestions on fixing?
[20:48] <Beyondcr> how is every one today?
[20:48] <natewiebe13> guntbert: awesome.. im sick of burning cds.. ive been though 8 already
[20:48] <tormod> jarnos, can you switch to a VT when it is locked?
[20:48] <Beyondcr> hey jeebsv do you get to the splash screen
[20:49] <guntbert> natewiebe13: I have to wait till rsync finishes, then I will try to boot from that iso
[20:49] <Awsoonn_> JEEBsv: I am in the same boat: 432114
[20:49] <jarnos> tormod, I think so
[20:49] <Beyondcr> dose it keep flashing
[20:49] <JEEBsv> I don't think I'm getting the splash screen :D
[20:49] <Awsoonn_> ** I am in the same boat I think: Bug #432114
[20:49] <tormod> jarnos, please run "ps aux|grep saver" on the console to see what's running
[20:50] <SKB> are boot bugs fixed?
[20:51] <JEEBsv> Awsoonn_: what was the way of getting into a non-graphical console?
[20:51] <Beyondcr> well ever scine a4 i cant get into gnome ubuntu starts  up i get the login screen then it keeps flashing after i type in the login info
[20:51] <JEEBsv> I don't really see a GRUB screen but I guess if I keep pressing the needed button combo
[20:51] <JEEBsv> I'll get where I need to be :3
[20:51] <tormod> jarnos, the guys are right, the package should be "gnome-screensaver"
[20:51] <Awsoonn_> jeebsv I'm getting help in #ubuntu-bugs now
[20:52] <Beyondcr> i try ctrl and all the f keys and it wont let me into term anyideas
[20:52] <SKB> ctrl+alt+f1 to go to term
[20:53] <JEEBsv> ok, that doesn't work
[20:53] <Beyondcr> let me try real quick
[20:53] <JEEBsv> also, joined #ubuntu-bugs to see if I can see the upcoming text
[20:54] <jarnos> tormod, xscreensaver was used there anyway. I'll come back later
[20:57] <edoceo> Ok, I've got bug 431910
[20:57] <Beyondcr> where is the xorg config
[20:57] <natewiebe13> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:57] <edoceo> I've also got my /dev/shm and /dev/pts are missing, /dev is mounted from udev - how'd they go missing?
[20:58] <natewiebe13> guntbert: when do you think you will test it out?
[21:00] <Beyondcr> i dont have a xorg.conf file
[21:01]  * BlackFate away
[21:02] <nathan7> ...what a nice welcome, an annoying 'I\'m away' amsg.
[21:02] <guntbert> natewiebe13: I seem to have missed a few rsync sessions to keep my iso up to date, and my connection is having issues - so it may take more time than I hoped (I was disconnected just now again)
[21:02] <Beyondcr> i can get into xterm session but i cant get into gnome
[21:03] <Beyondcr> whats the command to start the network manager
[21:04] <Cynthia> Beyondcr: NetworkManager
[21:06] <Beyondcr> ty
[21:06] <Beyondcr> is there a command to fix xorg
[21:07] <jarnos> tormod, no such process visible there
[21:07] <BluesKaj> karmic to karmic networking sucks here, anyone got it working ?
[21:07] <tormod> jarnos, there is nothing matching "saver"?
[21:08] <tormod> BluesKaj, is that over ssh?
[21:10] <BluesKaj> Beyondcr, tormod no samba cuz we also have 2 windows pcs on the network
[21:11] <jarnos> tormod, no, actually it is not xscreensaver, but xlock
[21:11] <guntbert> natewiebe13: downloading the complete alpha6 iso seems faster than rsync - I should be able to boot it in about 20 minutes
[21:11] <BluesKaj> oops I mean samba cuz...
[21:11] <natewiebe13> guntbert: awesome.. thanks for the help
[21:12] <tormod> BluesKaj, but karmic to win is fast?
[21:12] <jarnos> tormod, which is used since neither xscreensaver nor gnome-screensaver daemon is present
[21:12] <tormod> jarnos, I didn
[21:12] <jarnos> tormod, ?
[21:12] <Beyondcr> Blueskaj whats that?
[21:13] <tormod> not know xlock is still existing :)
[21:13] <BluesKaj> karmic to windows works fine on our LAN , karmic to karmic see each other as workstns but can't access
[21:13] <jarnos> tormod, what would kill it?
[21:13] <Beyondcr> is there a way to force vesa???
[21:14] <zniavre> via xorg.conf no?
[21:14] <BluesKaj> Beyondcr, yeah uninstall all other video drivers
[21:14] <tormod> jarnos, xlock is something from the good old times, I am surprised you have it
[21:14] <tormod>  on your machine
[21:14] <guntbert> how to resolve the following aptitude messages after update + safe-upgrade? The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[21:14] <guntbert> erlang-base-hipe: Conflicts: erlang-base but 1:13.b.1-dfsg-2 is installed.
[21:14] <guntbert> erlang-base: Conflicts: erlang-base-hipe but 1:13.b.1-dfsg-2 is to be installed.
[21:15] <tormod> jarnos, can you locate xlock and run dpkg -S on it?
[21:15] <BUGabundo> boas
[21:15] <Beyondcr> well it would benice if i could startx ever scince alpha 4 it just blinks any ideas of what to check????
[21:15] <BUGabundo> is all thiis UDEV scaring warning on boot fixed?
[21:17] <jarnos> tormod, why? it is /usr/bin/xlock
[21:19] <tormod> jarnos, I would like to know the package name
[21:19] <jarnos> tormod,  I have installed xlockmore package which contains it.
[21:19] <tormod> why did you install it?
[21:20] <jarnos> tormod, you could have got the name by typing xlock, if you don't have the package installed.
[21:20] <tormod> I wanted to know where you got it from, I had no idea you had deliberately installed it
[21:21] <tormod> jarnos, so why are you complaining then? :P
[21:23] <jarnos> tormod, since it is called (via xflock4) before login.
[21:23] <Beyondcr> _XSERVTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListner() failed
[21:23] <Beyondcr> when startx
[21:25] <tormod> jarnos, it is not installed by default, right. why do you install it?
[21:26] <tormod> Beyondcr, sounds like a permissions issue, check /tmp and /tmp/.X11-unix/
[21:26] <jarnos> tormod, it locks even if a screensaver daemon crashes.
[21:27] <tormod> jarnos, you don't trust xscreensaver or gnome-screensaver?
[21:27] <tormod> jarnos, is locks even if nobody is logged in :)
[21:28] <Beyondcr> tormod what am i looking for in tmp i only see 4 things one is orbit-root
[21:28] <tormod> Beyondcr, just check that you can create files in /tmp then look at /tmp/.X11-unix
[21:29] <Beyondcr> i dont have a /tmp/.x11-unix
[21:30] <tormod> Beyondcr, capital X
[21:30] <Beyondcr> yes nothing there
[21:30] <Beyondcr> i can create files
[21:30] <tormod> Beyondcr, you know that ls does not list dot-files unless you use -a ?
[21:31] <Beyondcr> ahh
[21:32] <tormod> I can recommend learning a bit unix if you want to use the development version
[21:34] <Beyondcr> ok i have a x0 yhe ain the .X11-unix i have a X0
[21:35] <tormod> ls -l should show srwxrwxrwx
[21:35] <Beyondcr> i also get _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: server already running
[21:36] <tormod> Beyondcr, after reboot?
[21:36] <Beyondcr> let me reboot
[21:36] <tormod> this is a plain install, right?
[21:36] <Beyondcr> but yes i think so
[21:37] <Beyondcr> when i let it go to boot up it gets to splash screen then just keeps reloading the splash loader
[21:38] <Beyondcr> and if i dont hit the ctrl alt f1 i cant get into term]
[21:38] <Beyondcr> quick enuf
[21:38] <guntbert> natewiebe13: my alpha 6 iso boots just fine (within a VM, that is), how far do you get?
[21:39] <natewiebe13> guntbert.. just as far as the screen to select language and to either run off of the cd or install
[21:39] <YDdraigGoch> Hey, I'm trying to install Alpha 6 but Ubiquity isn't picking up my windows partition, so it's wanting to partition off the whole harddrive to install ubuntu. Any ideas about how i can find out why it can't detect my windows partition?
[21:40] <Beyondcr> i can loginto xterm but not gnome....
[21:40] <tormod> Beyondcr, you can log in to "failsafe  xterm session"?
[21:40] <guntbert> natewiebe13: thats where I'm right now - what did you try to do? install?
[21:40] <natewiebe13> both
[21:41] <natewiebe13> i get an error.. i'll try it .. once sec
[21:41] <Beyondcr> yes
[21:41] <Beyondcr> ok i did so
[21:41] <mirza> hi, can anyone tell me if Kubuntu Karmic will have x based splash animation ? like ubuntu has in alpha 6 ?
[21:41] <Beyondcr> then went to the term and see
[21:41] <guntbert> natewiebe13: unknown key...?
[21:42] <Beyondcr> Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 Keygiving up.
[21:42] <Beyondcr> xinit: Resource temporarily unavailable (errno 11)
[21:42] <Beyondcr> and
[21:43] <Beyondcr> xinit: No such process (errno3) server error
[21:44] <tormod> Beyondcr, when you say "term" do you mean an xterm or a virtual console?
[21:44] <jarnos> tormod, xlock locks because xflock4 is called.
[21:44] <guntbert> natewiebe13: but after that my live session comes up just fine
[21:45] <Beyondcr> ok on splash i login to xterm gui then i hit ctrl alt f1 to getinto the console
[21:45] <natewiebe13> guntbert: i get "error reading boot cd" and top left i get a code: 8042009F
[21:46] <tormod> jarnos, if xlock is not part of a default install for good reasons, then I am not so concerned that it will break a few things if somebody absolutely wants to install it. file a bug against xlock.
[21:46] <Beyondcr> let me try to go into gnome then try to bring up the console
[21:47] <Beyondcr> hum when i was booting i got alot of cannot read errors....
[21:48] <Cynthia> Beyondcr: unhandled sense error?
[21:48] <Cynthia> I mean, unhandled sense code
[21:48] <tormod> "init :1 cannot read" just when it boots is kind of normal
[21:48] <Beyondcr> got to reboot to check
[21:49] <guntbert> natewiebe13: strange - I'd suspect your CD drive then as my installation also runs smoothly
[21:49] <Beyondcr> but i just started gnome got the startup sound then it kicked me back to login splash when i went to open console system crashed
[21:50] <guntbert> natewiebe13: just for a check though: care to paste the md5sum of your iso?
[21:50] <Beyondcr> where is the boot up log located
[21:52] <natewiebe13> guntbert: ive done an md5 check.. burned and tested on two different computers
[21:52] <natewiebe13> guntbert: would it have to do with burning at max speed maybe?
[21:52] <YDdraigGoch> Any known issues/workarounds with ubiquity not detecting any of the disk partitions?
[21:53] <natewiebe13> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[21:53] <natewiebe13> YDdraigGoch: ^ check there
[21:53] <guntbert> natewiebe13: ok - and did you check the disk for defects too?
[21:53] <natewiebe13> guntbert: from the ubuntu disk itself?
[21:53] <compintuit> My Sys is still borked; will alpha 6 fix it?
[21:53] <Beyondcr> mmc0 unknown controller error i cought taht
[21:54] <guntbert> natewiebe13: yes, from the menu
[21:55] <Beyondcr> what is the defult root password
[21:55] <natewiebe13> guntbert: gives me the same error
[21:55] <natewiebe13> guntbert: would burn speed have anything to do with it?
[21:56] <YDdraigGoch> natewiebe13, Thanks, What if my problem isn't there?
[21:56] <jarnos> tormod, it is also pointless to call xflock4 in the gdm login even if there was someone logged in.
[21:56] <natewiebe13> YDdraigGoch: then you're in the same boat as me.. i cant even get my live cd to boot up :(
[21:57] <YDdraigGoch> natewiebe13, =(
[21:58] <guntbert> natewiebe13: that could be possible, also it could be that the burner is slightly off the norm, what happens if you try to boot from the burner?
[21:59] <natewiebe13> same thing
[21:59] <tormod> jarnos, is xflock4 part of a default xubuntu install?
[21:59] <natewiebe13> one burner is brand new.. the other ive used for 6 months.. both burners burn other cds fine
[21:59] <jarnos> tormod, it is part of xfce4, thus yes.
[22:00] <jarnos> tormod, it is called by xfce4-power-manager in this case.
[22:01] <guntbert> against what package should I file a bug concerning the main menu of the live CD?
[22:01] <natewiebe13> guntbert: have you tried burning to a cd to see what happens?
[22:02] <guntbert> natewiebe13: no, I use isos with VMs almost exclusively
[22:02] <natewiebe13> okay..
[22:05] <natewiebe13> guntbert: itd be nice if somebody could confirm it though
[22:05] <CydeSwype> am i the only one that is in love with the new ubuntu app store?
[22:05] <CydeSwype> that thing is flippin' sweet!
[22:05] <natewiebe13> CydeSwype: 100% agree
[22:06] <Beyondcr> unknown key symlink
[22:06] <CydeSwype> like i want to uninstall everything and reinstall it again...it's that cool
[22:06] <natewiebe13> CydeSwype: i removed "add/remove" from the menu, i hope they do that for 9.10 final
[22:07] <guntbert> natewiebe13: in a VM the iso is treated and accessed like a "real" CD from the OS's point of view - so I see little reason to confirm by burning an unneeded CD :-)
[22:07] <CydeSwype> natewiebe13: definitely...we have enough options now between that and synaptic.  hope we start getting app thumbnails entered at some point...no screenshot for firefox?  really?
[22:08] <natewiebe13> guntbert: but i thought you didnt have an issue with the cd?
[22:08] <Beyondcr> ok well i messed it up
[22:09] <Beyondcr> lol
[22:09] <Beyondcr> now im trying to do a live boot and it keeps blinking the slash screen and playing the damn drums
[22:09] <Beyondcr> things are messed up
[22:10] <Beyondcr> lol i want to help becuse i want this problem to be fixed
[22:10] <Beyondcr> but i have to go to work so ill be back
[22:11] <guntbert> natewiebe13: ah that was a little different from your problem - when I select "check ..." it runs into "opening pipe: file not found" - that clearly something completely different :-)
[22:11] <natewiebe13> okay.. gotcha
[22:14] <guntbert> against what package should I file a bug concerning the main menu of the live CD?
[22:14] <BUGabundo> guntbert: what menu?
[22:14] <BUGabundo> the boot one, or the installer, inside X?
[22:17] <guntbert> BUGabundo: the boot one, the option "check..." leads (after several "unknown key...SYMLINK..." warnings) to a line stdin: error 0; opening pipe: No such file...
[22:17] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:17] <BUGabundo> I get those too on my installed system
[22:18] <BUGabundo> I think its UDEV breakage
[22:18] <BUGabundo> try again tomorrow or so
[22:18] <BUGabundo> guntbert: ^^^^^
[22:18] <roffe> how do I install flash on 64-bit?
[22:18] <Dai> roffe: pretty sure you still need to get the tar.gz from adobe and install manually
[22:19] <guntbert> BUGabundo: yes the warnings seem to be udev related, but against what could I file the bug "no checking for errors possible"?
[22:19] <BUGabundo> roffe: either with the 32bits wrapper from archive (restrited extras) or following the labs.adobe.com instructions
[22:19] <roffe> Dai, ok, because I got the 32-bit one and it just said Wrong architecture.
[22:20] <roffe> BUGabundo, thanks, I'll try that
[22:20] <BUGabundo> guntbert: why nag devs about an bug they must already know about??
[22:20] <BUGabundo> just making paper work
[22:20] <BUGabundo> wait a day or two, if it still up there, file against
[22:20] <BUGabundo> ubiquity or something
[22:21] <BUGabundo> roffe: PLEASE avoid messing with your system
[22:21] <BUGabundo> keep the archive version unless you have a serious prob with it
[22:21] <BUGabundo> which then would need a bug report to fix it for other users too.
[22:22] <BUGabundo> if you *really* want the 64bits .so, just place it on your firefox plugin cache
[22:23] <roffe> BUGabundo, messing with my system is the only thing i do with my computer.. but it hangs up frequently on the other hand :)
[22:23] <guntbert> BUGabundo: you think thats a udev problem too? then it would make sense to wait - its no problem for me anyway - but I regard the reason behind alpha testing to find and report bugs :-)
[22:23] <BUGabundo> roffe: I wonder why :D
[22:24] <BUGabundo> guntbert: true, for unknonw/undiscovered ones
[22:24] <natewiebe13> http://paste.ubuntu.com/273789/ <---- i get this from brasero now
[22:25] <guntbert> BUGabundo: right you are! (and I suspected that the error in the "check ..." could go unnoticed a long way...)
[22:26] <BUGabundo> guntbert: check LP 1st
[22:26] <guntbert> BUGabundo: good advice, will do :-)
[22:26] <natewiebe13> still have non-bootable live cd
[22:26] <natewiebe13> very sad :(
[22:32] <SEJeff> Could anyone help me figure out why xorg refuses to install in an upgrade to Karmic?
[22:32] <SEJeff> The hal restart is failing and /etc/init.d/hal is a symline to upstart-job
[22:33] <SEJeff> And that breaks the upgrade
[22:33] <SEJeff> Because xorg tries to restart hal
[22:38] <Lars_G> Tell me
[22:38] <Lars_G> who here is familiar with the new xorg config mechanisms?
[22:38] <AirBende1> still with the problem Lars_G ?
[22:38] <Lars_G> There is a compiled version of the driver for my table 8that I was asking about yesterday Cynthia) it comes with a .fdi file
[22:39] <Lars_G> which makes the tablet work
[22:39] <Lars_G> I want to learn more on it
[22:39] <Lars_G> since the fdi doesnt seem to be installed in a centralized xorg readable place, unless a post install script links it, I am just curious about the system
[22:39] <Lars_G> to be able to tune and creare more fdi definition files
[22:39] <roffe> 64-bit flash works like a charm :)
[22:40] <Lars_G> roffe: It's incredible, considering the immense ammount of grief the (pardon the expression, it's my impression) adobe bafoon in charge of the flash build gave people one year ago about 64 bits
[22:41] <AirBende1> but eats a lot a CPU roffe
[22:41] <Cynthia> roffe: yes it does :) and Lars_G: I'm not familiar with the new xorg config at all, unfortunately
[22:41] <Lars_G> Cynthia: it's ok, I referenced you only becuase you were involved yesterdey, thanks anyhow
[22:41] <Cynthia> ah, I see
[22:41] <Lars_G> AirBende1: give me a second....
[22:43] <roffe> Well, I'm not a fan of flash at all, but installing it was just moving libflashplayer.so to the mozilla plugins folder.
[22:44] <roffe> It's still stealing all the memory, but I'm used to that in 32-bit as well :)
[22:44] <Lars_G> damn can't find the xkcd joke
[22:45] <AirBender> roffe: yes, that's true, but unfortunately flash abusive websites are really cpu intensive...
[22:45] <Lars_G> in part it's flash's fault, in part I think it's java syndrome
[22:45] <Lars_G> everyone thinks java is slow, when in fact they're judging it from many baddly written java programs
[22:45] <AirBender> roffe: indeed, my criticism goes to flash not to 64 bits version ;)
[22:46] <roffe> AirBender, to say the least. A site like aftonbladet.se kills my pc
[22:46] <Lars_G> A good example is idle, a paid for java ide. it's as powerfull as eclipse and netbeans, and twenty times slimr and faster
[22:47] <Rods_Tiger> I'm trying to start google-gadgets on karmic but it says it can't, it fails to load 'js-script-runtime'
[22:47] <Rods_Tiger> what should I do?
[22:50] <dsas> Does anyone know the rationale for disabling touchpad mouse clicks by default, even for upgrading users?
[22:59] <jarnos> dsas: you mean tap-to-click?
[23:00] <dsas> jarnos, yes
[23:00] <Misantropo> after installing alpha-6 under virtualbox it asks to restart, then it keeps changing the display's mode once and again. It never gets out of this cycle.
[23:01] <jarnos> dsas: good question. BTW have you tried touchfreeze?
[23:02] <dsas> jarnos, never heard of it
[23:02] <dsas> jarnos, It seems that two finger tap to middle click is broken too, not sure whether that is a bug or not yet though
[23:02] <dsas> jarnos, Just googled touchfreeze. Yes I have that turned on
[23:03] <jarnos> dsas: you can set up a delay that prevents tap-to-click while you are typing.
[23:04] <jarnos> dsas: what is turned on?
[23:04] <Misantropo> then, i powered of the virtual machine and restarted and it gives me the shell prompt, it doesn't start the gdm
[23:04] <vladanian> Rods_Tiger, same for me -- it looks like this ver is about 9 mo old, There's a newer one here: http://code.google.com/p/google-gadgets-for-linux/downloads/list
[23:04] <dsas> jarnos, Don't tap to click while typing
[23:04] <vladanian> unpackaged, though
[23:04] <jarnos> dsas: how did you set it up?
[23:05] <dsas> jarnos, system -> preferences -> mouse then use the touchpad tab
[23:05] <virtuald> Are you running KMS in that VirtualBox?
[23:10] <SKB> are the ubuntu boot problems fixed?
[23:10] <jarnos> dsas: I see.
[23:10] <Rods_Tiger> 9 months old?
[23:14] <BUGabundo> $ kmail error while loading shared libraries: libindicate-qt.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[23:14] <BUGabundo> pff
[23:14] <jarnos> dsas: can you see by "ps aux" command in command line which executable it is. I am using Xfce where there is not such by default.
[23:15] <dsas> jarnos, gnome-mouse-properties
[23:16] <jarnos> dsas: thanks
[23:16] <dsas> jarnos, It presumably just writes to xorg.conf
[23:17] <dsas> or something similar
[23:18] <dsas> Option "PalmDetect" true perhaps
[23:18] <dsas> the synaptics man page tells you just how configurable a touchpad is
[23:21] <dsas> jarnos, gpointing-device-settings has even more options
[23:21] <vladanian> Rods_Tiger, the project page says 10.5 came out in Jan 2009
[23:22] <vladanian> I guess that's 0.10.5
[23:25] <jarnos> dsas: what is gpointing-device-settings?
[23:26] <dsas> jarnos, another gui for trackpad settings, there's also gsynaptics
[23:26] <Rods_Tiger> that's odd - I've just installed ubuntu 9.10 - so the software on it is all quite old?
[23:26] <jarnos> dsas: oh, in Karmic
[23:26] <guntbert> !latest | Rods_Tiger
[23:26] <dsas> jarnos, right
[23:26] <Rods_Tiger> oh that's good then
[23:28] <vladanian> Rods_Tiger, it's going to be all over the map. There are thousands of apps in the repositories. I don't think the gadgets are a high priority. Someone can make their own updated package and host it from a PPA