[00:00] hi robert_ancell [00:00] * rickspencer3 pounces [00:00] arrgh! [00:00] :) [00:01] Hey rickspencer3, robert_ancell. [00:01] hi TheMuso [00:02] hey TheMuso [00:14] robert_ancell, there's 5 minutes you'll never get back [00:14] waiting for me to find an irrelevant email [00:14] rickspencer3, :) [00:18] Hey robert_ancell! [00:19] bratsche, hey cody [00:19] bratsche, how is xsplash going? [00:20] It's going okay. David thinks it's loading too slowly on his machine, but we're having no luck so far finding ways to speed it up. [00:22] ah, overheads [00:23] bratsche, hey, could you take a quick look at an old GTK+ bug I filed and see if it is correctly marked invalid? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=578095 [00:23] Gnome bug 578095 in uimanager/actions "gtk_widget_show() overrides visible property of GtkAction" [Normal,Resolved: notabug] [00:23] Sure. [00:30] robert_ancell: Christian seems right.. but I also don't think I've ever used GtkAction::visible so maybe I'm not thinking about it right. [00:30] bratsche, it seems odd because then the action visible state doesn't match the n widgets state. Anyway that change probably broke a lot of peoples code... === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [00:31] Did it not always work this way? [00:33] no, I guess gtk_widget_show() used to ignore widgets that were connected to actions [00:33] Does it still? [00:34] no, you can show() and hide() widgets that are connected to an action. [00:35] We could try to set "no-show-all" on related widgets I guess. But if not perhaps we should at least make a note of this in the documentation. [00:46] just got the xsplash artwork...cool stuff, whoever was responsible, I thank you personally [00:47] mt [00:47] lol [00:47] kwwii: Hey, how's it going? I got your email this morning. Let me read it again and remember what I was supposed to respond to, because I forgot to come back to it. :) [00:47] I bet he didn't include the package in the distro [00:48] Yeah I am glad that the artwork package has now been separated. Time to do somethign about Studio's xsplash. :) [00:48] TheMuso: exactly :) [00:48] Yeah, I can't wait to see what Studio has! [00:48] well, I will look forward to seeing how this workson different resolutions [00:49] I think we have a lot of work ahead ofus [00:49] kwwii: Oh yeah, I need to find out where the metacity themes should be installed right? [00:49] sed/ofus/of us [00:49] bratsche: I cannot figure out how the theme is set [00:49] it is not a gconf key [00:49] that I can find at least [00:49] and it is not in /usr/share/gdm/themes [00:49] metacity is probably just pulling in whatever gtk theme is set. [00:50] that still has the old themes in it [00:50] from the old package I guess [00:50] I need to update that package to install it into the same dir [00:50] and then point gdm to that gtk and metacity theme [00:50] but I don't understand how to do that :p [00:51] I don< [00:51] erm [00:51] What did Jaunty do? There was custom gdm theming in Jaunty right? [00:51] Jaunty had the old gdm [00:51] Oh, we have a different gdm. [00:51] which had an xml file [00:51] no doubt ;) [00:52] there is a panel at the bottom, with lots of applets which we also need to kill [00:52] honestly, we are way behind the game on gdm [00:52] anyway [00:53] the thing is, I cannot find any info on this and everyone I ask tells me that when I figure it out I should tell them [00:54] anyway...almost 2am...bonne nuit [00:54] Good night! [00:55] the theming for GDM now is just the same as a normal user session isn't it? (metacity theme is set in /apps/metacity/general/theme), and all the themes just go in /usr/share/themes [01:01] If you mean gdm theme, it now uses parts of the theming from gnome-session, i.e background, etc. [01:01] kwwii: I'll jump on later tonight when you are up and I can work through this with you. [01:03] bratsche: Basically now that gdm uses parts of gnome-session, the gconf keys that gnome-session/gnome-settings-daemon use to set the theme is what is needed to set the theme for gdm, but only for the gdm user. [01:04] and you can't change the panel position/layout in the greeter either [01:04] thats hard coded [01:04] so if you want no panel, then you need to patch GDM to not draw one [01:04] chrisccoulson: Right. That could be changed by adding gconf keys to take care of that. [01:05] TheMuso - there's no gconf keys for the GDM greeter panel AFAICT [01:05] it's all hard-coded [01:06] chrisccoulson: But my point is that it surely wouldn't be hard to remove the hard coding, and use gconf keys. [01:09] heh [01:09] Famous last words? [01:30] hey robert_ancell [01:31] kenvandine, hey [01:31] see my mail about empathy? [01:31] it's almost ready :) [01:31] kenvandine, yes, fixed all things except the event problem. I can't see what is wrong with that code... [01:31] me either [01:32] that code worked before [01:32] so either event stuff chanded in empathy [01:32] or [01:32] libindicate chages [01:32] changs [01:32] damn [01:32] sorry... typing with a baby in my arms [01:32] :) [01:33] :) [01:33] say hi to baby from me [01:33] :) [01:33] Hey ken! [01:33] i'll try to do the accent [01:33] yo bratsche [01:35] * kenvandine goes to get the kids to bed [01:36] robert_ancell, i hope you have more success than me :) [01:37] kenvandine, heh. GObject code really is tiresome to work with... [01:37] i lost more hair with it today [01:37] What are you working on? [01:37] but it was nice to have someone to hand off to [01:38] robert_ancell, i bet bratsche can fix it :) [01:38] Uh, suddenly I have to go. [01:38] :) [01:38] easily :D [01:38] * kenvandine runs for real now [02:18] the release notes says software store is going to replace add/remove under applications [02:18] I thought mpt said having it under system was the right spot for it to be? [03:30] C [06:21] bratsche: what should I do to figure out why xsplash isn't working? I just get a black screen until gdm login window [06:22] Uhh. [06:22] Check /usr/share/images/xsplash [06:22] Do you have all the images/ [06:22] ugh, I can't type. [06:23] I've been drinking way too much tonight. [06:23] bratsche: yep [06:23] Hmm. [06:24] open a terminal [06:24] sudo -u gdm xsplash [06:24] I get a warning about logging being disabled and it exits [06:24] Oh weird.. do you have /etc/dbus/system.d/xsplash.conf? [06:25] dbus-1 but yes [06:25] Oh yeah, right. [06:25] Check the user in that file.. is it gdm? [06:25] root [06:25] wtf [06:25] It should be gdm. [06:26] sudo xsplash does the same thing, btw [06:26] Try changing that file to say user is gdm. [06:26] there we go, fixed [06:26] Weird. [06:27] bratsche: apt-get source xsplash shows the original file says root too [06:27] Something got b0rked in the packaging then. [06:27] or in autogen [06:27] Yeah, there should be a --with-user=gdm parameter [06:28] you don't seem to have any code in data/Makefile.am to generate the xsplash.conf from xsplash.conf.in [06:28] kenvandine: ^ [06:29] Amaranth: I think it's in configure.ac [06:30] Amaranth: xsplash-0.8.1/debian/rules sets DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS += --with-user=gdm [06:30] in that case perhaps the bug is that xsplash.conf is shipped in the tarball [06:30] Maybe. [06:31] I'll ping kenvandine in the morning about it. [06:31] hrm, local build worked [06:44] Hi ara! [06:44] hey bratsche1 [06:48] So I just lost a portion of my life arguing with someone whether "has been disproven" can be considered correct grammar for present perfect tense. [06:48] I think it's time to go to bed. === sivang_ is now known as sivang [08:06] Good morning [08:06] bratsche: this morning, xsplash wasn't flickering [08:06] bratsche: I just noticed that the throbber sometimes stutters, and after some 10 seconds just gets stuck [08:10] hey pitti [08:14] hey didrocks [08:34] good morning there [08:35] * pitti hugs seb128 [08:35] lut seb128 :) [08:35] * seb128 hugs pitti [08:35] salut didrocks [08:35] the world didn't break with all the dx updates yesterday? ;-) [08:52] asac: You probably already know but FF on first start up on (live cd and new system install) is opening Add-ons and there are 2 different versions of Xulrunner (de)/(en) listed in in languages 19.1.2 and crossed beneath each is 1.9.0.8 [09:07] what the? [09:07] good morning everyone [09:07] hey chrisccoulson [09:07] hey seb128 [09:07] looking forward to the weekend? [09:07] so my laptop just suspended 3 times in a row without me asking anything [09:07] chrisccoulson, yes! [09:07] but still one work day before [09:07] at least we are unfrozen ;-) [09:08] heh, yeah, i'm looking forward to it too. but i only have half a work day left:) [09:09] hehe [09:09] I will not say lucky you since I'm not annoyed by doing ubuntu work on friday afternoon ;-) [09:13] seb128 - yeah, doing ubuntu work on a friday afternoon probably isn't too bad ;) === asac_ is now known as asac [09:18] hey pitti - i was going to work on a MIR for libgda4 this afternoon, but i need to update the package first. i put the upstream changelog in bug 432169 - would you mind taking a quick glance and saying if you think the update would be ok without doing a FF exception? [09:18] Launchpad bug 432169 in libgda4 "Please update to 4.0.4" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432169 [09:18] i was actually going to rebase it on debian first, but debian renamed the package names [09:19] actually, brb, breakfast just arrived at work! [09:51] TheMuso: hey, any idea what to do with gdm? I assume we just need to make it look for a gconf key for the right theme [09:53] kwwii: Actually it uses all the regular desktop theming stuff [09:53] so it probably won't just be one key [09:53] Amaranth: right, but we want to set a different gtk and metacity theme [09:54] from what I understand it is all hard coded just to use the gnome session settings [09:59] no chriscoulsen today? [09:59] hmmm [09:59] mvo, he's having breakfeast [09:59] breakfast [09:59] he will probably be back soon [10:02] aha, hey chrisccoulson [10:02] see ;-) [10:02] hey pitti, sorry, i had to disappear for breakfast right after asking you a question ;) [10:02] chrisccoulson: did you get my question about compiz and nvidia? [10:02] thanks for commenting on the bug by the way [10:02] hi mvo - i did. i will respond when i get home from work if that is ok:) [10:03] kwwii: I am about to have dinner. I'll jump on and chat about it with you afterwards if thats ok. [10:05] TheMuso: cool, thanks [10:08] chrisccoulson: can you give me a quick overview, i.e. on what hardware/driver you see the failure and how to reproduce maybe? [10:09] mvo - i will do [10:12] asac: Ever hear anything about firefox keyboard shortcuts not working if you use xmodmap to swap control and super? [10:12] mvo - i'm running the latest 185 version of the driver and i have a 8800GT card. if i switch user using the indicator-session applet (which will lock the screen as it switches VT), i always get a white screen when i switch back to my session again (assuming "unredirect fullscreen windows" is disabled) [10:13] Amaranth, hey [10:13] seb128: howdy [10:13] did you look at this keybinding compiz issue? [10:14] haven't yet, no [10:14] seb128 - can you play CD's in rhythmbox ok? I just get a "No URI handler for cdda" warning in the console when i try to play a CD [10:14] i'm wondering if i'm missing something :-/ [10:14] chrisccoulson, there is a bug opened recently on gst-plugins-base0.10 [10:15] apparently the cdda handling changed [10:15] and rhythmbox gives uris not working with it [10:15] seb128 - ok, thanks. i'll have a look for that one [10:15] I've just read the comment [10:15] I didn't look at the issue yet [10:15] if you want to open an upstream bug you are welcome ;-) [10:15] chrisccoulson: thanks, I will try to reproduce, i got the same driver [10:15] the bug might have been reassigned to rhythmbox [10:15] mvo - thanks [10:16] mvo - i'm wondering if the issue could be worked around by locking the screen before doing the VT switch? [10:16] then everyone could have "unredirect fullscreen windows" disabled [10:16] oh crap they haven't fixed that yet? [10:16] admittedly, it still doesn't solve the underlying driver issue, and other windows that appear on the inactive VT will still appear as white boxes [10:16] * Amaranth stabs nvidia repeatedly [10:17] I believe we reported that one 3 or 4 years ago... [10:17] Amaranth - no, it's still not fixed [10:17] it's so annoying to have white boxes appear everywhere wheni switch users [10:17] *sigh* [10:17] So...when are we switching to nouveau? :) [10:17] i hate nvidia [10:18] heh [10:19] yeah, I have a vague memeory from the old report that it was supposed to be fixed [10:19] oh well [10:22] mvo - by "fixed", i think it was actually just "worked around" for the screensaver case [10:22] mvo: the workaround was unredirect fullscreen windows [10:23] I think that's actually why we enabled it [10:23] mvo: btw, I've only seen one user with performance problems on nvidia with that disabled [10:24] if we can do something about the screensaver I'd rather leave it disabled considering everything else if affects [10:26] i'd rather have it disabled too, as it creates a lot of flicker with fullscreen windows and notify-osd [10:26] perhaps i will try some hacking today to make sure gnome-screensaver-dialog is up and running before switching to another X screen [10:30] Amaranth: sounds familiar (modmap thing) [10:30] driving me nuts, about to look into another browser :P [10:30] seb128: Did you discover what that superblock timestamp bug was about? [10:30] * Laney is seeing it [10:30] might be the wrong utc setting [10:30] Laney, ask Keybuk [10:31] Wasn't that the same problem as your time being set in the future every boot? [10:32] i'll tell you in a second ;) [10:32] time is right [10:33] where does it store the utc setting? [10:33] hrm, too late for webkit-gtk 1.1.14, I guess? [10:34] Amaranth, no, we will get it [10:34] epiphany-webkit depwait on it [10:34] Amaranth: if its needed for latest aepyh then not [10:34] yay [10:35] I need it for a side project [10:35] Amaranth: want to test that gwibber still works with it? [10:35] ;) [10:35] don't want to carry too many local packages [10:35] i wanted to check yesterday, but for me gwibber doesnt work at all atm. [10:35] I suppose I could, I have a twitter account [10:36] isn't there some automagic way using a watch file to update a package? [10:36] I always forget how that works [10:36] get the debian package and build it? [10:37] eh? [10:37] kwwii: Ok. I'll come into #ubuntu-artwork and we can chat there. [10:37] seb128: That'll just build the local version [10:37] Amaranth: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/webkit/webkit_1.1.14-1.dsc [10:38] kwwii: Does that mean we're getting the awesome gdm theme seen on the wiki? :) [10:38] Amaranth, I didn't understand the question I think [10:38] seb128: well the watch file is supposed to be used to get the latest upstream tarball [10:38] seb128: but how do you make it do that? [10:38] use uupdate? [10:41] mpt_: hi... regarding the software store... there seems to be no quick way to launch the installed app... is there any plan for implementing it/adding to the specs ? [10:47] mac_v, bug 420517 has discussion of that. [10:47] Launchpad bug 420517 in software-store "Installed apps: "where-to" and open button" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/420517 [10:49] ah... great ;) [10:52] hmm... the "Where is it?"button seems an over complication ! === mpt_ is now known as mpt [10:55] mac_v, overcomplication? [10:55] yeah... the magical second pointer ;p commenting on bug ;) [11:00] asac: building merged package now, how long does this usually take? :) [11:00] a bit ;) [11:00] get a coffee in the meantime [11:00] * Amaranth has visions of building it on OS X [11:00] The only good thing I can say about it is at least it doesn't take as long as firefox [11:01] mac_v, you think that's more complicated than repeating the names of the menus and submenus and making you find them elsewhere? [11:01] asac: kind of sucks we have to change the ABI though to add in stuff upstream dropped (for anjal or whatever) [11:02] Amaranth: lets just ignore that imo [11:02] and rebuild all our packages [11:02] too late [11:02] to be sure [11:02] too late? [11:02] mpt: have you send a ticket to IS yet about the screenshots.ubuntu.com proxy? it would be nice if you could CC me [11:02] Amaranth: we want to sync [11:02] at least things that expect to work with upstream won't be using that stuff so it won't hurt to drop it [11:03] asac: hrm, I'm several minutes into this build too [11:03] mvo, not yet, doing that today [11:03] Amaranth: not sure what its too late for then ;) [11:03] all i said was: just build debian package ;) [11:04] * Amaranth kills build, starts over [11:04] mpt: i think the presence of a launch option in a dialogue, only available after the install [similar to the Add/remove].. is much simpler. I dont think users are going to confuse SS as an app launcher ;) [11:04] but yeah. i think its ok to just dro pthe anjal patch [11:05] thanks mpt [11:05] I suspect anjal upstream no longer uses that API [11:06] mpt: but thats not how you have SS designed , so thinking of a better option :) [11:07] mac_v, the problem with the Add/Remove dialog is that it doesn't actually show you how to launch it later. You can't reopen that post-install dialog. [11:07] * asac gets a snack from baker next door [11:08] mpt: yeah , i realize that problem :) ... had a notion thats why you have thought of this ;) [11:10] mpt: but something about a second pointer showing up in the main screen doesnt sound right... and if its needed , its better doing it within a modal window of the software store [11:10] oh, I see what the deal with anjal is, they made up some API but it hasn't been accepted [11:11] mac_v, better in what way? [11:11] mac_v, I'm not overly attached to using a separate pointer. Another way would be to draw a ring around the menu and wait for you to open it yourself, then draw a ring around the appropriate submenu, etc. [11:13] Windows Vista was going to have a similar help mechanism (but Microsoft pulled it before release). [11:16] mpt: having 2 pointers show up on the screen , something totally creeps me out... it sounds like something overridding the system... but if its done within the SS itself its better , ie: users clicks "where is it" , the screen changes to a desktop and shows the menu and the location... but i think we are over thinking the capacity if users to understand and trying to over spoon feed them. ;p .... i like the idea of the rings , only problem is [11:16] its similar to XP [highlighting the installed menu,submenu] [11:17] Why is that a problem? [11:17] hehe ,yeah... not a problem ;) [11:18] seb128: do you happen to know the current state of bug 421318? Seems quite dead upstream [11:18] Launchpad bug 421318 in totem "totem crashed with SIGABRT in __kernel_vsyscall()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/421318 [11:18] no [11:18] I'm not even sure where the bug is [11:19] when we started gettings bugs about it totem didn't change for a while [11:19] could be python, pygobject, pygtk [11:19] it would require somebody with a clue about python to debug it [11:19] I don't understand python valgrind logs [11:19] ok; I put it down as "not investigated yet" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus [11:19] and I didn't stop anything in git commits that should make a difference there [11:20] stop -> spot [11:20] Amaranth: yes, that is the idea :) [11:20] we got a large chunk of new bugs this week apparenlty [11:20] "new" on the release radar, that is [11:20] OTOH our bug fix turnaround was awesome this week [11:20] pitti, I've started adding some from my list as discussed yesterday [11:20] seb128: right, that's good, thanks [11:20] np [11:21] I've mislestoned a lot of gdm bugs too [11:21] expect that to continue this afternoon too [11:26] seb128: btw, we should also milestone the broken timed login [11:26] after autologin [11:26] not for beta, but for final IMHO [11:26] I'm not convinced that's a bug [11:26] or rather an issue [11:26] upstream argue that's a feature [11:27] hm [11:27] you can switch user from the fusa [11:27] you couldn't ever get out of an autologin, though [11:27] (if only I could...) [11:27] fglrx crashes on two X screens.. [11:27] but anyway, if that was discussed already, ok [11:27] deserve you for using binary drivers ;-) [11:27] I just don't see the sense of this TBH [11:28] autologin only really makes sense the very first time when gdm starts [11:28] read the upstream bug to see their point [11:28] they say it's mainly for kiosks [11:28] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=587606 [11:29] Gnome bug 587606 in general "should use timed login after closing an autologed session" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [11:29] but I agree we might want to prefer timed login for desktop use [11:29] except that most people who use autologin probably don't use it for a kiosk.. [11:30] right [11:31] pitti, set a milestone to it now too [11:33] 9 gdm bugs milestoned for karmic ... [11:33] I followed up upstream [11:33] thanks [11:34] seb128: since it already identified the patch that changed it, fixing this would be to revert that; not too hard, I hope [11:40] yay webcore finally built [11:40] * Amaranth is seeing the light at the end of the tunnel [11:48] nice [11:49] Amaranth: so liferea, gwibber, midori maybe to get a first idea ;) [11:50] devhelp [11:53] is webcore the new webkit? [11:54] I'm off for two hours for some errands and lunch [11:54] pitti: webcore, javascriptcore, and I think a couple other *cores all get linked together to make webkit [11:55] ah, thanks [11:55] woo it's on make install [11:58] jcastro: i assume you forgot to drop the xulrunner-1.9 depends in listen? [11:59] jcastro: i will drop that now - seems like everything is webkit [12:00] hmm [12:01] so now filebug redirects me to wiki page [12:01] wahts the trick to file bugs without ubuntu-bug ;) [12:01] oh got it [12:01] was hidden on wiki [12:03] gah, I swear dpkg got even slower at reading its database [12:05] what the hell, some guy managed to change the status of an upstream bug on bug 429241 [12:05] Launchpad bug 429241 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[GM45E] i915 graphics corruption and hang" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/429241 [12:06] but it's still linked to fd.o bugzilla [12:06] heh. hopefully gets reset on next upstream status sync run [12:07] there was a bug in the ajax thing allow to change settings [12:07] but I think that was fixed [12:08] bug #400222 [12:08] Launchpad bug 400222 in malone "new status ajax menu let you change bugzilla watch status" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/400222 [12:14] I can't figure out how to change it back but I'm pretty sure the guy is upset because he is still seeing the bug (because the packages with the fix are not available yet) [12:15] hrm, gwibber not showing anything [12:16] oh, wrong username/password [12:17] gwibber doesn't tell you that, I had to try to login on twitter.com [12:18] I can see why this thing didn't get into the default install... [12:20] Amaranth: for me gwibber doesnt work at all (even without new webkit) ... does not show any dents/tweets [12:20] the preferences window is broken [12:21] is this a git snapshot of pre-0.1 software or something? [12:21] regression due to webkit? [12:21] a bzr snapshot [12:21] you can try a more recent snapshot ;) [12:21] preferences window doesn't use webkit [12:21] one second [12:21] the close button is not connected to anything [12:21] yes. gwibber is pretty above the edge atm [12:21] Amaranth: bzr branch lp:gwibber [12:22] then killall gwibber gwibber-daemon [12:22] and run inside that dir: ./bin/gwibber-daemon [12:22] and ./bin/gwibber [12:26] asac: epiphany seems to work with acid 3, slashdot, and youtube [12:28] same with midori [12:29] Amaranth: try ssl sites [12:29] Amaranth: please check liferea [12:29] and devhelp [12:30] ok, gmail works with midori and epiphany [12:30] and my bank works with epiphany [12:31] liferea seems to work, I'm reading planet ubuntu [12:32] deleted gnome files and added my blog, all working [12:33]