[00:01] That was.... weird. After update, my clock decided to jump 14 hours into the future. [00:01] TheMuso: UTC=no sucks [00:01] we're treating the system clock as local time now [00:01] heh [00:02] it'll probably jump forward 14 hours every boot [00:02] Is this for real, or is this a joke? [00:02] real, a compiz developer had the same problem [00:02] jdstrand: around? [00:02] one of his commits ended up 6 hours in the future because of it :P [00:02] jdstrand: i'm hitting a new error with libvirt/kvm, wondering if it's apparmor [00:02] Any chances of bumping evolution up to 0.26.3 for Karmic? [00:03] Amaranth: ah ok [00:03] kirkland: please paste 'dmesg|grep audit' [00:03] TheMuso: edit /etc/default/rcS and change UTC to yes [00:03] jdstrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/273155/ [00:04] kirkland: do you have auditd installed? [00:04] jdstrand: if ret == -1: raise libvirtError ('virDomainCreate() failed', dom=self) [00:04] libvirtError: internal error unable to start guest: /usr/bin/kvm: invalid option -- '-domid' [00:04] Amaranth: I would, but I have a Windows install on another disk in this box. [00:04] ah [00:04] jdstrand: no [00:04] in that case it looks like it may be fixed now so it won't jump ahead every boot [00:04] kirkland: it isn't apparmor [00:05] Amaranth: anyway, nothing an NTP update couldn't fix./ [00:05] jdstrand: hrm, okay [00:05] kirkland: you'd get very obvious deny messages in dmesg and kern.log [00:05] /etc/init/hwclock-save.conf will pass --localtime [00:05] jdstrand: hmm, okay, thanks [00:05] np [00:05] TheMuso: ntp doesn't work on boot if you use wifi [00:07] Amaranth: I don't. [00:09] kirkland: fyi, the error seems pretty clear-- kvm doesn't like '-domid' [00:09] s/fyi/fwiw/ [00:09] jdstrand: this is a very recent regression [00:09] kirkland: weird [00:09] jdstrand: "dom" sounded apparmor-ish :-) [00:09] heh [00:10] kirkland: I'm unfamiliar with the -domid option [00:10] jdstrand: me too [00:12] crimsun: Shall I upload your latest changes you pushed to bzr? [00:15] slangasek: so, I believe this patch to be ok, but I wanted to run it past your PAM experience: bug 430205 [00:15] Launchpad bug 430205 in gdm "gdm login context incorrect" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430205 [00:15] TheMuso: not yet; if you can wait about 15 minutes, i'll say 'yay' or 'nay' again [00:16] crimsun: Sure. [00:16] TheMuso: i.e., i need to verify things don't break horribly ;-) [00:16] I am going to get some fixes from libcanberra anyway. [00:16] jdstrand: okay, it's my fault [00:16] TheMuso: ok === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk === bjf is now known as bjf-afk [01:30] hello, i'm working on a translation for a program with PoEdit. but the language i'm translating into is RTL so i wanted to test some lines before i continue. is there a way to do that? [01:31] TheMuso: good to go with current ~crimsun/pulseaudio/ubuntu [01:38] hello, i'm working on a translation for a program with PoEdit. but the language i'm translating into is RTL so i wanted to test some lines before i continue. is there a way to do that? [01:49] anybody? ":) [01:50] well, does anyone know where to ask such a question? [01:50] i mean on which channel [02:57] anyone knows of a library for arbitrary nodal creation/deletion ? (textual labelling) [03:33] do we have nightly kernel builds anywhere? [03:33] want to try out the radeon r6xx stuff [03:40] spstarr: You might be better asking in #ubuntu-kernel. [04:54] kees: well, for starters "module_unknown=ignore" isn't going to prevent this from causing log spam [04:54] kees: which we had previous experience with in hardy :P [04:55] kees: for another, if gdm needs a custom auth line, I think it's Doing It Wrong [04:55] (the session stuff matches what's used in login, so it's not unreasonable) [06:09] slangasek: okay, cool. let's work out something Right for gdm next week. [07:09] good morning === sivang_ is now known as sivang [07:11] morning dholbach [07:12] hi sivang [07:21] dholbach: how's it going ? [07:22] good good - how 'bout you? [07:22] dholbach: my spirit is high :) [07:22] dholbach: why are you up so early? :) [07:23] ? [07:23] it's 8:23 [07:23] that's not early :) [07:23] heheh [07:23] seb128 is still asleep so... [07:24] I realized the older I get, the less I need to sleep [07:43] what could be a reason for nfs-common to not start at boot time? [07:43] i.e. it starts and nothing else is ever goping to happen. [07:56] which directory is responsible for creating /com? [07:58] Madkiss: /com? [08:06] Good morning [08:24] Hello, can /usr/share/images/xsplash/ be configured via update-alternatives to ease branding ? [08:25] AnAnt: no, there should just be alternative derivative-xsplash-artwork packages which Conflicts:/Replaces:/Provides: xsplash-artwork [08:25] that's why ubuntu-xsplash-artwork was split out now [08:27] pitti: ah, that's cool ! thanks [08:28] StevenK: yeah. "service udev start" fails because the thing can "not connect to its communication socket" in /com/ubuntu/whatsoever [08:29] how about gdm ? is it possible to make theme for it ? [08:29] Madkiss: karmic problems? :) [08:29] AnAnt: it just uses the default artwork, so replacing ubuntu-wallpapers should do [08:29] ok [08:30] thanks [08:30] Madkiss: It's com.ubuntu.Upstart? === tkamppeter__ is now known as tkamppeter [08:33] Madkiss: oh, that's not a file path, but an object path in the D-BUS namespace === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson [08:34] Madkiss: presumably d-bus isn't running, or the upstart d-bus service crashes === quadrispro1 is now known as quadrispro [08:36] hello, I have a strange issue with ekiga on ubuntu 9.04. My machine is running on dhcp and ekiga says that I must do all configurations manually. [08:37] now I don't get any option in or out of ekiga which guides me exactly waht to do. [08:42] pitti: The only problem with that approach for gdm theming is that it doesn't allow for a different wallpaper for gdm and the desktop session. [08:42] Same with the GTK theme due to gconf keys used. [08:45] i'm bit out of desktop development, so pardon if question is stupid... the thing that splashes beetwen gdm and gnome desktop is xsplash? what triggers end of splashing? cause it's splashing too long here :) [09:00] I think ubuntu-xsplash-artwork should be Arch: all not any [09:03] pitti: if derivative-xsplash-artwork Conflicts/Replaces xsplash-artwork, will that cause ubuntu-xsplash-artwork to get removed ? === asac_ is now known as asac [09:20] AnAnt: yes [09:20] AnAnt: arch all> correct, that was a mistake [09:20] ok [09:20] kenvandine: ^ can you please fix in next upload? [09:25] pitti: you got a working system again now? [09:25] davmor2: yes, I do; now that I know what the reason for the powered off screen is, it's all good :) [09:25] Yay [09:26] mvo: do you think you can take a look at bug 187371? [09:26] Launchpad bug 187371 in apt "the progress of the downloaded data not consistent" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187371 [09:27] pitti: Also thanks for the info on the ati bug, I'm glad that got resolved mean for beta I'll have all my test boxes back Yay [09:27] :-) [09:27] tseliot: ^ can you please upload that mesa today? [09:27] davmor2: I guess you just deleted the r600.so file? [09:28] asac: do you know what's happening with bug 392815, bug 365965? [09:28] Launchpad bug 392815 in thunderbird-locales "Ubuntu Thunderbird's Contact List crash in Romanian" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/392815 [09:28] Launchpad bug 365965 in ubufox "[MASTER] installing firefox pulls in ubufox and all gnome depends through apturl" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365965 [09:28] zul: do you know what's going on with bug 378240? [09:28] Launchpad bug 378240 in xen-3.3 "Please merge xen-3.4 (3.4.0-2) from debian unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/378240 [09:28] no just didn't use that machine to test A6 ubuntu. Works fine for xubuntu and kubuntu no compiz [09:29] lool: do you know if bug 211252 is something the mobile team is looking into? [09:29] Launchpad bug 211252 in obex-data-server "Cannot receive files using bluetooth" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211252 [09:29] dholbach: We're not looking into it [09:30] ArneGoetje: can we do something to get bug 63515, bug 407649, bug 290304 off the sponsoring list? [09:30] Launchpad bug 63515 in scim-pinyin "Typo in skim-scim-pinyin string" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63515 [09:30] Launchpad bug 407649 in scim-anthy "Sync scim-anthy 1.2.7-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407649 [09:30] lool: mh [09:30] Launchpad bug 290304 in skim "Skim has no KMenu icon" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/290304 [09:30] There was often the expectation that mobile team was doing everything bluetooth but it hasn't been the case really; Tollef and Emmet might have built on that impression [09:31] there's just so much old stuff on http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ and I'd love to get it off there - if it's stuff that's not appropriate, lets mark those bugs wont-fix :/ [09:50] cjwatson: hey Colin - how are you doing? I had a conversaton with james_w and he said that merge proposal notifications were decided to go to ubuntu-devel@, but couldn't tell me where that was announced/documented - do you know anything more? [09:50] cjwatson: I'm asking because of the moderation queue [09:50] where we have a bunch of merge proposal mails right now [09:51] oh please don't spam the list with those [09:52] seb128: I have similar feelings :) [09:52] amitk: Are you on one of the computers having problems with compiz right now? [09:52] err, not actually here [09:52] oh, but amitk_ is :) [09:53] Amaranth: we both are ;) [09:53] Amaranth: don't listen to him - he's schizophrenic :) [09:54] pitti: i see. [09:54] We understand what you mean ;) [09:54] ... nevermind :-) [09:55] okay, so I need to find out why d-bus crashes [09:56] amitk_: On your computer have have the latest compiz-wrapper, no diversions or extra configuration for /usr/bin/compiz, and you get that crash? [09:57] Amaranth: I did a plain-old update-manager upgrade [09:57] amitk_: Please paste the last line of CM_DRY=yes compiz [09:57] And I don't have enough compiz foo to even know what diversion you're talking about [09:58] dholbach: I forget the details but I don't want to argue about it. If people don't like them on ubuntu-devel, let's create an ubuntu-reviews list [09:58] Amaranth: Execute: /usr/bin/compiz.real --ignore-desktop-hints --replace --loose-binding move resize place decoration animation ccp [09:58] alright, that shouldn't be triggering this crash [09:59] amitk_: Sounds like you have a different problem, the compiz bug you commented on can only occur when you have 'core' on that line [09:59] cjwatson: what do you think should go on there? all merges for Ubuntu? what about sponsoring - should that still on ubuntu-{main,universe}-sponsors (ubuntu-sponsors at some stage)? [10:00] IMO: all merges (people can filter); perhaps sponsoring stuff should be cced to that list [10:00] Amaranth: but the bug title that apport creates is identical I think. In any case, I filed a separate bug the second time and then marked it duplicate of the existing one [10:00] cjwatson: I don't want to argue about it either, just trying to figure out what best to do and how to deal with the current stuff in the queue [10:01] Amaranth: so all the files are attached to the 'duplicate' bug if that helps [10:01] cjwatson: do we have a good way of routing merge proposals that way? [10:01] amitk_: Can you make it public? launchpad is being picky [10:03] dholbach: dummy LP user with a contact address set? [10:04] Amaranth: bug 432303 (don't know why LP marks it pvt by default, is there a config setting?) [10:04] added to the relevant teams [10:04] Launchpad bug 432303 in compiz "compiz.real assert failure: compiz.real: ../../src/display.c:793: updatePlugins: Assertion `j == pListCount' failed. (dup-of: 429858)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432303 [10:04] Launchpad bug 429858 in compiz "compiz.real assert failure: compiz.real: ../../src/display.c:793: updatePlugins: Assertion `j == pListCount' failed." [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/429858 [10:04] amitk_: No, they're all private because they might have passwords or something in the core dump [10:04] Amaranth: aaah [10:04] cjwatson: hm.... ok - I can get in touch with IS about that list, if you like [10:05] amitk_: Although I'm supposed to be able to access them anyway but sometimes launchpad doesn't let me [10:05] dholbach: of course maybe it should be on lists.launchpad.net, I don't know what IS' current rules are [10:05] but yeah, have a word with them? [10:06] I think everything Ubuntu-related is fine to be on lists.u.c [10:06] amitk_: Odd, your .xsession-errors doesn't have any of the compiz-wrapper messages, the first line about compiz is the assert [10:06] dholbach: yeah, I think the ultimate plan is to move them to LP, but some work needs to be done there first [10:07] The exact error message I am getting is "Could not connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused" [10:07] I started dbus manually with dbus-daemon --system [10:08] yet the same effect [10:08] james_w is doing reviews in #ubuntu-reviews [10:08] amitk_: what is the output from gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager [10:12] what is the correct procedure to report a papercut bug? Should I just add it to the one hundred papercut project? [10:13] gioele: If needs to be a bug with a straightforward solution that affects every user on their first day using ubuntu [10:14] gioele: If you think your bugs fits you can file it against the package the bug is about and the papercuts project [10:16] Amaranth: it has all the properties needed to be considered a papercut [10:16] is onehunderdpapercut the only papercut project? [10:16] i could really use a hand on this [10:17] I think 100papercut is a "closed" project, I mean they have those 10 groups of bugs, do they accept more bugs? [10:17] what is responsible for creating "/com/ubuntu/upstart"? [10:18] Madkiss: err, upstart [10:18] gioele: They might get fixed otherwise or perhaps added to a karmic+1 series of rounds [10:18] gioele: Make sure the bug is filed against an ubuntu package too [10:20] Amaranth: okay, and "exec init 2" does not work, because it tells me the very same thing [10:21] Madkiss: Right, those are work via dbus [10:22] Amaranth: dbus-daemon --system is running [10:22] is that correct? [10:22] should be [10:22] Madkiss: What are you trying to do? [10:22] I am trying to debug why my system just won't boot [10:23] nfsroot stuff [10:24] oh, out of my leage [10:24] league* [10:24] I guess look for Keybuk? [10:30] Madkiss, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall [10:31] Amaranth: gconftool returns 'compiz' [10:31] weird [10:32] amitk_: well, once we get that patch the bug should be fixed, if it isn't I guess I'll just put my head through the wall [10:32] pitti: I already installed new upstream from LP. Works great (the devicename in /media is still strange though) [10:33] sebner: cool, thanks! the devicename is another known issue [10:33] heh [10:33] pitti: kk, "Schwere Geburt" ;) , tell me if I can help with that name stuff [10:47] what package should I reassign a bug of "superblock has a time in the future" on every boot? [10:47] no more details yet, but it's on totally the wrong package [10:50] james_w: that sounds familiar - I think it's been reported before and discussed here... [10:51] well, I know there are several different instances of the bug, so I don't just want to tell them "known bug" and close it [10:51] I'd rather reassign to a correct package where someone that understands this stuff better can deal with it [10:52] I know it's not the package manager's fault for installing updates that triggered the bug though [10:52] ah, ok, dunno then === mpt_ is now known as mpt [10:55] james_w: I think keybuk looked into that for asac/seb128 and it may have been a kernel issue [10:58] the kernel issue should be fixed [10:58] there are installer issues open still [10:58] Keybuk: where are those fixes? in -11? [10:58] asac: 10.34 [11:06] would the installer issue we've identified cover an occurrence of that bug on *every* boot? [11:06] I'd have thought it would only really be boots within (installation, installation + hwclock offset) [11:07] a bug on every boot sounds more like a configuration error to me [11:08] ie. the user's hardware clock being plain wrong, and them force powering of [11:08] if you subscribe me to the bugs, I'll happily work through them with the users next week [11:08] or some other error like the kernel one that we haven't identified yet [11:08] indeed [11:09] the first thing is going to be to find out whether there's commonality [11:09] e.g. are they all east or west of UTC [11:09] that tends to give us an idea [11:09] what were the basic commands [11:09] (they should all be east, obv. but I've seen people west with this problem and that really narrows it down :p) [11:09] james_w: "date" [11:09] grep ^UTC /etc/something [11:09] james_w: "grep UTC /etc/default/rcS" [11:09] james_w: hwclock --debug --show [11:10] thanks, I'll subscribe you and request that information [11:10] thanks Keybuk [11:24] Keybuk!! [11:24] bbl, packing for KPDX [11:51] * pitti fixes the /etc/udev/rules.d/z60_hdparm.rules goo from hdparm [11:55] * ogra looks for anyone to hold his hand ... first reboot after post A6 dist-upgrade here ... [11:55] i'm scared [11:55] ogra: Coward! (TM Keybuk) :P [11:55] LOL ! [11:56] ok, lets just go for it [12:03] hmm [12:03] pitti, didnt you add a fix for the fbcon prob already ? [12:03] * ogra is without KMS [12:05] and xsplash is a really flashy experience ... changes sizes several times goes on and off etc === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:39] can't xsplash throbber position be configurable ? [12:56] teknico: I hear you are having some problems updating karmic [12:57] SteveA, yes, my machine does not boot anymore [12:57] after this morning's upgrade of karmic [12:57] is there a bug open that describes the problem? [12:58] it stops right after cryptdisks-early, which says [ OK ] [12:58] I looked at those for cryptsetup and did not find anything [12:58] but I'm not sure if the problem is there, or with udev, or something else [12:59] what is the exact message just before that [12:59] using the 2.6.31-7 kernel instead of 2.6.31-10 does not change anything [12:59] kernel is not relevant [13:00] I tried purging cryptsetup and running "update-initramfs -u", but no change [13:00] all after chrooting in the main boot, obviously [13:00] that suggests that it's not actually cryptdisks-early, but the next thing in the boot sequence, then [13:00] (right now I'm booted on another partition) [13:01] add --debug as a boot parameter and you may get more information [13:01] cjwatson, as a boot parameter to the kernel line in grub? [13:01] yes [13:03] Just "debug", not "--debug". [13:03] Or did that change? [13:06] not that I can get either to work with a live CD, but AFAIK debug is a kernel parameter but --debug is an upstart parameter [13:19] back [13:19] cjwatson: Oh. [13:19] Brave, new world. [13:20] soren, I did not see your comment in time [13:21] however, adding --debug did indeed make the kernel spew a lot of messages :-) [13:21] I don't see error messages or apparent problems before it stops, as far as the scrollback goes [13:22] I took a picture of the last screenful, where can I upload it? [13:23] cjwatson, ^^ [13:23] you have an account on people.canonical.com, or you could use imagebin.com or whatever it's called [13:23] hi [13:24] what is the alternative for /dev/log in karmic? [13:24] i use this with python [13:24] import syslog [13:24] cjwatson: i use import logging [13:24] and then the syslog-handler [13:25] although /dev/log hasn't gone away [13:25] cjwatson, http://imagebin.org/64348 [13:25] cjwatson, for me, it's not avaailable [13:25] toabctl: I believe that's a bug; please report it (probably against udev) [13:25] cjwatson, ok [13:25] hmm, maybe not udev [13:26] toabctl: what does 'status rsyslog' say? [13:26] sudo status rsyslog [13:26] status: Unknown job: rsyslog [13:26] toabctl: install the rsyslog package [13:27] in that case, not a bug as far as I can see [13:27] cjwatson, ok. that was the problem. sorry, my mistake. [13:28] teknico: do you have a shell on tty2? (alt-f2) [13:29] cjwatson, on boot, before it stops? I don't think so [13:29] can you check? [13:31] cjwatson, yes, but I'd have to leave here to reboot again [13:31] cjwatson, it's very early in the boot, I don't think it could already have got to a shell [13:32] ok, it's quite possible it hasn't, but nevertheless the boot sequence is quite different now from what you're used to [13:32] teknico: if it doesn't have a shell, then chroot into the system and write yourself an /etc/init/shell.conf (not /etc/init.d/) as follows: [13:32] start on startup [13:32] console owner [13:32] exec /bin/bash [13:32] teknico: then when it hangs you should be able to press enter and get a shell prompt [13:33] teknico: is there any way you can get online from another computer? [13:33] this is going to be very painful if you keep having to reboot to answer questions [13:33] * ogra wonders why the .conf suffix suddenly got into fashion everywhere [13:33] To distinguish disabled files [13:33] because if you don't use an extension you have to track stuff like .dpkg-new all over the place [13:34] ah [13:34] particularly relevant for things that use inotify [13:34] Right didn't think of that [13:34] yup, i thought it was just "because" :) i see there is a proer reasoning behind it now [13:34] *proper [13:34] I guess you cant exclude dpkg suffixes in inotify [13:34] cjwatson, yes, I'll get another machine on [13:34] no particular reason why it should be .conf of course [13:35] lool: you can, but you have to keep playing catch-up with all sorts of things [13:35] (i was actually wondering that since module-init-tools moved to the same) [13:35] lool: and Scott points out that vi backup files have an even less helpful naming scheme [13:36] Ack [13:36] ogra: fbcon> no, I just did the diagnosis; it's not quite clear yet how to fix it correctly [13:36] ah, k [13:36] ogra: but that doesn't break KMS, once X starts, it comes back [13:36] my screen looks scary during boot [13:37] ogra: or just add it to /etc/modules [13:37] I think it creates a file with a hardcoded name just to find out if it can write to the directory, or something [13:37] i got so used to 1920x1200 consoles [13:37] smtg urgent came up, bbiab === teknico is now known as teknico_away === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:40] teknico_away: also, if you could tell us if there's anything special about your filesystem layout, we might be able to correlate that with known bugs [13:40] teknico_away: a photo of normal startup (without --debug) might help too [14:11] cjwatson: re ubuntu-devel and merge proposals: Filtering is fine for my desktop, but I also read mail on my phone and it simply doesn't have that ability. At best I'd have to redirect the list to a mailbox that gets read a lot less often. [14:12] It seems rather counter to the rationale for having a split devel and devel-discuss. === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3_ [14:19] ScottK: I meant that, after moving them to ubuntu-reviews, if people wanted to subscribe to that list but only review certain packages then they could filter [14:20] ScottK: I didn't mean to say that the solution to people having problems with reviews on ubuntu-devel was for them to filter [14:20] Ah. Thanks for clarifying. === robbiew-afk is now known as robbiew [14:38] online boxing game http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html [14:46] ScottK: do you mind if I mark bug #397950 as a duplicate of bug #432384 ? [14:46] Launchpad bug 397950 in ubuntu-release-notes "Kubuntu U/I for enabling ctrl-alt-backspace has moved" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/397950 [14:46] Launchpad bug 432384 in ubuntu-release-notes "DontZap is now an option in XKB" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432384 [14:47] tseliot: As long as the Kubuntu specific language gets into the note, I'm fine with that. [14:48] ScottK: yes, instructions for both Ubuntu and Kubuntu will be available in the release notes [15:09] what facility in the livecd creates/logs in the "ubuntu" user? [15:09] a) casper b) gdm [15:10] ahh, okay [15:10] this system doesn't have gdm (or any *dm) [15:10] so casper must be doing both... [15:11] cjwatson, back, sorry [15:11] ok, I created the /etc/init/shell.conf file with the three lines you mentioned [15:12] you asked about the partition layout, it's a bit involved [15:12] there are four primary partitions, sda1 to sda4 [15:13] sda1 is the alternate boot/root that is working right because it's not up to date [15:13] sda2 is the main boot/root that stops when booting [15:14] sda3 is an encrypted partition that contains three LVM2 logical volumes [15:14] sda4 is a non-encrypted partition that contains other three LVM2 logical volumes [15:14] sda3, and the logical volumes in it, are not currently used [15:14] first step: reinstall cryptsetup :-) [15:15] (I moved stuff elsewhere a few weeks ago, because cryptsetup was not able to access that partition any [15:15] anymore [15:15] cjwatson, are you sure? I don't need it right now [15:16] teknico: is anything in sda3 mentioned at all in /etc/fstab? [15:16] cjwatson, no, and I commented sda3 out of /etc/crypttab [15:17] ok, then you're probably all right without cryptsetup [15:17] cjwatson, ok, I'll reboot then, do I again add the debug option to the kernel? [15:18] another thing to do before rebooting: edit /etc/init/mountall.conf and put "--debug" at the end of the 'exec mountall' line [15:18] (btw, I'm on another machine now, as you suggested) [15:18] don't bother adding it to the kernel this time, it was a bit too verbose and I'm not skilled at interpreting it anyway === bjf-afk is now known as bjf [15:19] oh, you also wanted a picture of the stopping, I'll get that to you before rebooting [15:23] cjwatson, http://imagebin.org/64353 [15:24] rebooting [15:25] cjwatson, ok, it stopped, but I got a prompt this time [15:28] and it just hangs after the fsck? [15:29] yes. it says "/dev/sda2 clean, [numbers]" [15:30] and then "root: clean, [numbers]" [15:30] and that's it [15:30] if I press Enter, I get the prompt [15:30] ok, 'initctl list' [15:32] a screenful of lines, most ending with "stop/waiting", some with "start/running" and a process number [15:32] could you pipe it through a pager and get photos [15:32] the details are kind of relevant ;) [15:33] ehm, "pipe through a pager"? [15:33] I can take photos and post them online, but it'll take a while for each photo [15:33] | less [15:34] four of them are running [15:34] which [15:34] oh, I can see in the scrollback, didn't lose anything [15:35] udev, upstart-udev-bridge, mountall, shell [15:35] ok, could you reboot into whatever recovery mode you're using, chroot in, edit mountall.conf as I said earlier, and reboot again [15:36] there are also four network interfaces running, without process numbers [15:36] I dont' recall you talking about mountall.conf, can you say it again, please? [15:36] 15:18 another thing to do before rebooting: edit /etc/init/mountall.conf and put "--debug" at the end of the 'exec mountall' line [15:37] apparently I can do that right from this prompt [15:38] if the root filesystem is mounted read/write, yes [15:38] done, rebooting [15:39] Anyone have an opinion on whether I should disallow running usb-creator on a device that just contains a vfat filesystem, rather than a partition table and vfat partition? I don't pretend to know how every BIOS will react to a device without a partition table, but I imagine at least some of them will fail miserably. [15:40] Of course, it does work on this BIOS. [15:40] evand: would it be possible to make the "format" button actually do something and turn it into a signle-partition vfat device? [15:41] that button is always gray for me, no matter what I plug in :-( what is it supposed to do? [15:41]