[03:35] <ne0futur> hi all, I need to install sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[03:35] <ne0futur> and I dont understand why it needs to install a nvidia kernel
[03:35] <ne0futur> no way to have madwifi without the nvidia stuff ?
[03:41] <spstarr> Where can I find nightly builds of the kernel?
[03:45] <ne0futur> http://kernel.org/
[03:48] <spstarr> so you don't have a snapshot build like the fedora folks with git snapshots?
[05:05] <ne0futur> spstarr: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid.git;a=summary
[05:07] <spstarr> looks 'old'
[05:07] <spstarr> .27?
[05:07] <spstarr> in intrepid
[05:07]  * spstarr looks for karmic kernel
[05:08] <ne0futur> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/FAQ
[05:08] <ne0futur> ubuntu is debian based
[05:08] <spstarr> yeah i know
[05:08] <ne0futur> if you want cutting edge kernel and apps . . . I d recommend something like mandriva
[05:08] <ne0futur> but its less stable most of the time
[05:08] <spstarr> well once .32 comes out i wont need cutting kernel
[05:08] <spstarr> its only the r6xx stuff i want to use
[05:08] <ne0futur> you can also build your own kernel its not _so_ hard
[05:09] <spstarr> sure, and have, taking ubuntu's .config
[05:09] <spstarr> .32 will be out sooner than later 
[06:07] <cobradevil> Hello all
[06:08] <cobradevil> I'm testing ubuntu karmic and wanted to ttry fs-cache
[06:08] <cobradevil> the read speedup for nfs is the thing i'm interested in because of a terminalserver configuration 
[06:09] <cobradevil> i was looking at the kernel config and saw that the config option for CONFIG_NFS_FSCACHE is not set
[06:10] <cobradevil> is there a specific reason why it hasn't been enabled?
[06:17] <hifi> latest 2.6.31 has no fbcon
[06:18] <hifi> oh, sorry, no, it's just not loaded automagically anymore
[06:22] <hifi> which kills video signal if used with radeon kms
[06:23] <hifi> uh, that wasn't so clear, if radeon module is loaded with kms and no fbcon is loaded you get no signal for virtual terminals
[06:26] <ne0futur> hi all, for madwifi  I need to install sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[06:27] <ne0futur> and I dont understand why it needs to install a nvidia kernel, no way to have madwifi without the nvidia stuff ?
[06:27] <ne0futur> furtermore trying to install it fails :
[06:27] <hifi> linux-restricted-modules is a metapackage probably
[06:29] <ne0futur> i couldnt find another way to get madwifi
[07:19] <ne0futur> is itpossible to find a kernel with the ath_pci module on ubuntu
[07:20] <ne0futur> seems it ned a more recent kernel  than those in ubuntu
[07:46] <amitk_> ne0futur: have you tried the karmic kernel?
[08:43] <ne0futur> amitk_: i need to upgrade all my distro to get the recent kernel ?
[08:45] <maxb> ne0futur: You're looking in the wrong direction, ath_pci is old and removed
[08:46] <amitk_> ne0futur: no, not upgrade the distro. But you can get just the karmic kernel and see if that helps. It has the new ath5k drivers.
[08:50] <maxb> karmic kernel won't give madwifi, though it will give an up-to-date ath5k which might be a suitable replacement
[08:50] <maxb> Though that seems to be an inadvisable course of action without first trying linux-backports-modules
[09:01] <ne0futur> hum ill try to see how i can try this kernel
[09:01] <ne0futur> apt-cache search karmic gives nothing
[09:03] <amitk_> ne0futur: what release are you running currently?
[09:03] <amitk_> maxb makes a good point. Try linux-backports-modules for that release and see if that solves your problem.
[09:05] <amitk_> ne0futur: If not, you can simply download the karmic kernel .deb from http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/linux-image-2.6.31-10-generic (depending on whether you run 32-bit or 64-bit) and try that.
[09:08] <ne0futur> /etc/debian_version says lenny/sid
[09:08] <ne0futur> i cant find a /etc/ubuntu-release
[09:09] <ne0futur> but i instsalled a ubuntu ;)
[09:09] <ne0futur> I dont want to upgrade distro cause i dont want kde4, kde3 is perfect for me
[09:10] <ne0futur> ah I found /etc/lsb-release 
[09:10] <amitk_> ne0futur: what does /proc/version_signature and /etc/lsb_release say?
[09:10] <ne0futur> says DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu DISTRIB_RELEASE=8.04 DISTRIB_CODENAME=hardy
[09:11] <ne0futur> 2.6.24-24.60-generic
[09:11] <amitk_> ne0futur: in that case best try the linux-backports-modules packages
[09:11] <ne0futur> ( downloading the .deb from http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/linux-image-2.6.31-10-generic is not ok with this ubuntu release ?)
[09:12] <amitk_> ne0futur: that release is very old. I don't think anybody has tested such a new kernel with Hardy.
[09:12] <ne0futur> (another question is there a best kernel for a thinkpad laptop than the -generic kernel ? )
[09:13] <ne0futur> hum ok
[09:13] <ne0futur> if I upgrade my ubuntu will I be forced to migrate to kde4 or is it possible to stay on kde3 ?
[09:14] <amitk_> ne0futur: that is a question for #ubuntu. I think the default might be KDE4 but it might be possible to get KDE3 back.
[09:14] <ne0futur> ok thanks
[09:15] <ne0futur> i ll try the .deb first and then think on upgrading or using backports
[09:15] <amitk_> ne0futur: I'd try backports first, the .deb next and then think of upgrading :)
[09:15] <ne0futur> my other problem is that I nmeed an old xorg to have my intel graphics card working well with flash/3d
[09:16] <ne0futur> I switched fron mandriva to ubuntu for this reason :
[09:16] <ne0futur> https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=53468
[09:16] <amitk_> apw: I've got a new branch,  fsl-imx51-next, in my local tree. Should I overwrite the fsl-imx51 in the karmic git tree or just create a new temp branch for you to review?
[09:16] <ubot3> qa.mandriva.com bug 53468 in Hardware "very slow flash and graphics when using intel 945GM video card" [Major,New] 
[09:17] <amitk_> ne0futur: you can try out new Ubuntu releases using the livecds/liveusb. So you can check it out without reinstalling your OS.
[09:17] <ne0futur> yup i ll try this 
[09:17] <amitk_> apw: I want to get this uploaded today if possible
[09:17] <ne0futur> thanks
[09:21] <apw> amitk_, hiya
[09:21] <apw> let me just check the current branch
[09:23] <apw> amitk_, we seem to have one commit since the last tag, so assuming you have that, then you can push to the main branch
[09:23]  * amitk_ checks
[09:26] <amitk_> apw: yes, I got the one from Tim removing ABI/version from vmlinuz name
[09:28] <apw> then i can't see any issue pushing it it, is it a rebase?
[09:28] <apw> i assume so, as the old one is -6.25 based
[09:29] <amitk_> apw: rebased onto 878e32db158b972b443c5cd8370b2d52068bcaaf (master). Though I see 22 commits since then.
[09:30] <apw> probabally rebase pretty simply onto the latest tag i'd assume as there aren't any rebases since then
[09:30] <apw> but if you've tested that one, that seems like a major improvement
[09:30] <apw> over -rc6
[09:30] <amitk_> apw: I don't see the -10 tags
[09:31] <apw> sometimes i find you need to git fetch --tags origin to get them all
[09:31] <apw> i don't know why sometimes it doesn't get them
[09:32] <amitk_> git fetch -t still doesn't get me a Ubuntu-2.6.31-10*
[09:32] <apw> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-karmic.git;a=summary
[09:32] <amitk_> nevermind, I am blind
[09:32] <apw> yet they really are there, gitkweb shows them
[09:32] <amitk_> I'll rebase onto -10.34
[09:35] <apw> these arm kernels really are a lot of work
[09:36] <amitk_> apw: you should see the tree I'm about to push :)
[09:36] <apw> am i going to barf?
[09:39] <apw> heheh ...
[09:41] <apw> amitk_, hopefully the rebase will be unremarkable to that tag
[09:44] <amitk_> yeah, unremarkable. No config changes too. I'll just push the changelog, skip abi and module checks and push the branch
[09:46] <amitk_> apw: I'm a bit confused. Should debian/abi be touched or debian.fsl-imx51/abi ?
[09:47] <apw> abis are in the per branch space, so .fsl-imx51
[09:47] <apw> getabis is still broken
[09:49] <amitk_> apw: then why are debian/changelog debian/control, etc. created?
[09:49] <apw> those have to be in those places as they are used by build system
[09:50] <apw> built stuff is mostly still in debian as a result
[09:58] <amitk_> apw: test building once before pushing
[10:17] <apw> cool
[10:42] <ogra> amitk, do you know if the imx51 package uses the very same postinst -generic uses ? 
[10:42] <ogra> i dont get any link in / which makes alternate and netboot installs fail miserably since flash-kernel urgently needs these links
[10:43] <ogra> apw, ^^^ ?
[10:44] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/273349/ ...
[10:44] <apw> ogra, as far as i know its a direct copy
[10:44] <ogra> ~ # grep symlink target/etc/kernel-img.conf 
[10:44] <ogra> do_symlinks = yes
[10:45] <ogra> but according to the log (and my inspections) the symlink isnt created
[10:45] <apw> ogra, do they get made on on the dove images?
[10:45] <ogra> no idea
[10:46] <ogra> NCommander, did you try out alternate installs on dove yet ? 
[10:46] <apw> ogra, isn't the install of the kernel failing anyhow
[10:47] <ogra> update-initrmafs is failing because it calls readlink
[10:47] <ogra> looking for /vmlinz and /initrd.img
[10:47] <amitk_> apw: ogra: I see a slight diff
[10:47] <apw> is that the three new postrm's ?
[10:48] <amitk_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/273351/
[10:49] <ogra> amitk, thats only error messages if i reasd it right
[10:49] <amitk_> yeah, seems to be just messages
[10:50] <ogra> Sep 17 17:59:47 in-target: Setting up linux-image-2.6.31-100-imx51 (2.6.31-100.7) ...
[10:50] <ogra> after that the symlinks should exist
[10:50] <apw> Sep 17 17:59:48 in-target: Failed to create initrd image.
[10:50] <apw> Sep 17 17:59:48 in-target: dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.31-100-imx51 (--configure):
[10:50] <apw> Sep 17 17:59:48 in-target:  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[10:51] <apw> Sep 17 17:59:49 in-target:   Package linux-image-2.6.31-100-imx51 is not configured yet.
[10:51] <ogra> apw, yup, thats the fallout of the missing links
[10:51] <apw> it seems to have failed in such a way that its not configured
[10:51] <ogra> Sep 17 17:59:48 in-target: readlink: missing operand
[10:51] <ogra> thats the actual error
[10:51] <ogra> update-initramfs looks for /vmlinuz 
[10:52] <ogra> which the postinst of linux-image-2.6.31-100-imx51 should have created before running update-initramfs
[10:55] <amitk_> ogra: and it works in the desktop install images?
[10:55] <ogra> yes
[10:56] <ogra> but desktop doesnt need flash-kernel ... even if it would have gone through update-initramfs, it would have failed in flash-kernel, the links in / are essential on armel
[10:57] <apw> ogra, are tehy on the desktop images?
[10:58] <apw> that log there, how was it generated, is there a command line to do that or something?
[10:59] <ogra> thats the output of d-i 
[10:59] <ogra> the desktop images dont use d-i 
[11:00] <apw> but does the kernel installed there have it
[11:00] <apw> also when you install kernels manually do they normally maintain the links
[11:01] <apw> obviously they do in the main kernel, and the script is identicle
[11:01] <ogra> yes, the desktop images have /vmlinuz and /initrd.img
[11:01] <ogra> else they wouldnt be installable :)
[11:02] <apw> so generally the install is making them then
[11:02] <ogra> (flash-kernel, as i said above )
[11:02] <ogra> right
[11:02] <ogra> the linux-image postinst reads /etc/kernel-img.conf and creates them
[11:03] <ogra> in d-i installs /etc/kernel-img.conf is created by base-installer right before linux-image* is installed
[11:03] <ogra> in live setups /etc/kernel-img.conf is created by livecd-rootfs right before the linux-image-* package gets installed in the chroot 
[11:03] <ogra> same procedure two different environments and outcomes
[11:04] <apw> have you looked at an x86 alternate installer image?
[11:04] <apw> perhaps they are all broken
[11:05] <ogra> heh
[11:05] <ogra> someone would have noticed that ... the log is from A6 testing :)
[11:05] <ogra> i produced it yesterday with the A6 candidate image 
[11:05] <apw> not necessarily perhaps its not important on the alternate if you don't have flash-kernel
[11:06] <ogra> given that i386 all passed i doubt they have that issue
[11:06] <ogra> flash-kernel is run a lot later
[11:06] <apw> fair
[11:06] <ogra> though i'm not sure why the readlink error shows up
[11:06] <ogra>         if [ -L /initrd.img -a -e /initrd.img ]; then
[11:06] <ogra>                 linktarget="$(basename "$(readlink /initrd.img)")"
[11:06] <ogra>         fi
[11:06] <ogra>         if [ -L /boot/initrd.img -a -e /boot/initrd.img ]; then
[11:06] <ogra>                 linktarget="$(basename "$(readlink /boot/initrd.img)")"
[11:06] <ogra>         fi
[11:07] <ogra> neither of the files exist yet, so the if statement isnt fulfilled
[11:07] <ogra> (thats from update-initramfs)
[11:07] <ogra> so it shouldnt call readlink at all
[11:08] <apw> so i'd say it can't be that readlink which failed
[11:08] <ogra> there is no other readlink involved i think
[11:09] <ogra> Sep 17 17:59:48 in-target: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-100-imx51
[11:09] <ogra> Sep 17 17:59:48 in-target: readlink: missing operand
[11:09] <ogra> Sep 17 17:59:48 in-target: Try `readlink --help' for more information.
[11:09] <ogra> Sep 17 17:59:48 in-target: mkinitramfs: missing  root  /sys entry
[11:09] <ogra> Sep 17 17:59:48 in-target: mkinitramfs: workaround is MODULES=most
[11:09] <ogra> ogra@osiris:~/Devel/packages/base-installer-1.101ubuntu4$ grep readlink /usr/sbin/update-initramfs 
[11:09] <ogra> 		linktarget="$(basename "$(readlink /initrd.img)")"
[11:09] <ogra> 		linktarget="$(basename "$(readlink /boot/initrd.img)")"
[11:11] <apw> ogra, but thats not all of it
[11:11] <ogra> all of what ?
[11:11] <apw> Sep 17 17:59:48 in-target: readlink: missing operand
[11:11] <apw> Sep 17 17:59:48 in-target: Try `readlink --help' for more information.
[11:11] <apw> Sep 17 17:59:48 in-target: mkinitramfs: missing  root  /sys entry
[11:11] <apw> Sep 17 17:59:48 in-target: mkinitramfs: workaround is MODULES=most
[11:11] <apw> Sep 17 17:59:48 in-target: mkinitramfs: Error please report the bug
[11:11] <ogra> Sep 17 17:59:48 in-target: readlink: missing operand
[11:11] <ogra> thats the error
[11:11] <apw> that comes from hook-functions in initramfs
[11:12] <apw> yes but there are more readlinnks in that file
[11:12] <apw> which is run by innitramfs
[11:12] <apw> mkinitramfs
[11:12] <ogra> outfile="$(readlink -f "$outfile")"
[11:12] <ogra> oh you are right
[11:13] <apw> thats like /sys is broke
[11:14] <ogra> i see the error msg, buit i dont get why sys would be involved at all
[11:14] <apw> there are errors about things in sys not being there
[11:14] <apw> which are surly not right
[11:14] <apw> and led to it exiting 1
[11:15] <apw> which led to the kernel install failing
[11:15] <apw>         if [ -z "${block}" ] || [ ! -e /sys/block/${block} ]; then
[11:15] <apw>                 echo "mkinitramfs: missing ${block} root ${root} /sys entry"
[11:15] <apw>                 echo "mkinitramfs: workaround is MODULES=most"
[11:15] <apw>                 echo "mkinitramfs: Error please report the bug"
[11:15] <apw>                 exit 1
[11:15] <apw> that was what it didn't cope with, not syaing the readlink is irrelevant, but its not what triggered the failure of kernel install directly
[11:16] <ogra> apw, yeah, just found that too 
[11:16] <apw> so i think that means the kernel links likely would have gotten made 'shortly' but initramfs blew chunks so it stopped
[11:16] <ogra> yup
[11:18] <ogra> so its an installer issue, sorry for bothering you guys ... i'll try to find out why base-installer didnt mount /sys
[11:18] <apw> ogra, not sure if it was mounted or not hard to tell from the error
[11:18] <apw> there may yet be an issue that /sys/block was missing for some kerenl reason, but see if you can find out if it was mounted
[11:19] <ogra> well, i see that it isnt mounted atm,
[11:19] <apw> ahh
[11:20] <ogra> ~ # mount
[11:20] <ogra> rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
[11:20] <ogra> none on /proc type proc (rw,relatime)
[11:20] <ogra> none on /sys type sysfs (rw,relatime)
[11:20] <ogra> tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,relatime)
[11:20] <ogra> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,relatime,gid=5,mode=620,ptmxmode=000)
[11:20] <ogra> /dev/sda1 on /target type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,barrier=1,data=ordered)
[11:21] <ogra> /dev/sda1 on /dev/.static/dev type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,barrier=1,data=ordered)
[11:21] <ogra> tmpfs on /target/dev type tmpfs (rw,relatime)
[11:21] <ogra> neither /proc nor /sys are mounted under /target atm
[11:21] <apw> if thats 'mid install' then that seems broke
[11:22] <apw> amitk_, is this an abi-bumper, i assume it is with this huge pile of patches
[11:22] <amitk_> apw: yes, and adds a module or two. So you could ignore abi and module checks
[11:23] <apw> ok
[11:23] <apw> i'll do that
[11:23] <amitk_> thanks
[11:23]  * amitk_ steps out for a while
[13:20] <ogra> amitk, how are the chances of seein the imx51 upload today ? (/me si assembling the release team report and would love to strike the rtc issue from the buglist)
[13:45] <apw> ogra, i have the tree and it should be uploading imminently
[13:46]  * ogra hugs apw 
[13:46] <apw> i've build tested it, and i assume amitk has boot tested the basic tree
[13:47] <apw> its an abi bumper so it'll be a while churning through the works
[13:47] <apw> ogra, do you have the agenda for todays meeting yet?
[13:49] <ogra> yep, lool forwarded it to me, i think robbie doesnt know about the replacement people 
[13:50] <lool> apw: bounced
[13:50] <apw> lool, thanks
[21:19] <Laibsch> Hi
[21:20] <Laibsch> Why do the mainline kernel builds have only source and header packages lately?
[21:20] <Laibsch> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/