[00:12] <BiosElement> doctormo_, Is it safe to assume we've settled on docbook/asciidoc or did we want to look over that further?
[00:30] <pleia2> hey guys, can we use the test site?
[00:31] <BiosElement> pleia2, I've no idea. I don't see why not?
[00:31] <BiosElement> If you need a test site to play around with and break, I've got one I setup to play around with.
[00:31] <pleia2> I don't know if it's fully functional
[00:35] <BiosElement> Speaking of which pleia2 Did you hear about asciidoc yet?
[00:36] <pleia2> BiosElement: nope! do tell :)
[00:37] <BiosElement> Basically it gives us the advantages of docbook and the ease of use that sphinx had with restructured text. Lets us write the course in plain ascii txt files and then convert it to docbook/html/pdf/pot and just about anything else.
[00:38] <pleia2> cool :)
[00:39] <pleia2> I like
[00:39] <pleia2> example?
[00:41] <BiosElement> Sure, just a sec
[00:41] <BiosElement> http://pastebin.com/m64534341
[00:42] <pleia2> BiosElement: I just added you on the Cc: of this discussion with some guys who are offering to help us with moodle :)
[00:42] <pleia2> they use it for real, at a school! they're the ones who will drop by monday evening
[00:42]  * pleia2 points at /topic for "Moodle Training Session"
[00:42] <BiosElement> Yep, I heard about that.
[00:43] <pleia2> please reply to all on the email if you have any thoughts about what to ask these guys while we have the opportunity to pick their brains :)
[00:43] <pleia2> I just made stuff up
[00:43] <pleia2> doctormo_: you toO!
[00:43] <pleia2> morning Vantrax :)
[00:43] <BiosElement> haha, Aight. I've been playing around on a test bed install and it looks like it'll be workable enough once configured
[00:44] <Vantrax> yeah.... morning... ZZzzz
[00:44] <Vantrax> Im discovering new depths of sleep deprivation lately...
[00:45] <pleia2> I did that earlier this month
[00:45] <pleia2> seemed like a good idea at the time
[00:46]  * BiosElement is working on getting onto an everyman cycle...4 hours of sleep a day >.>
[00:46] <pleia2> but I suppose yours wasn't so self-inflicted :)
[00:53] <Vantrax> pleia2: you know anything about kerberos?
[00:53] <pleia2> Vantrax: nope, sorry
[00:53] <Vantrax> ahh well worth a try:P
[00:54] <Vantrax> the university is switching from novell to ad, so im having a hell of a time
[00:54] <pleia2> ugh, sorry to hear that :(
[00:55] <Vantrax> yeah
[00:55] <Vantrax> i have the auth working for one domain, but the student logins inherit logins from the staff domain too.. and that is causing problems
[00:55] <Vantrax> need to cross authenticate
[00:55] <Vantrax> with means capaths
[00:55] <pleia2> oh yuck
[00:56] <Vantrax> which means headaches
[00:56] <pleia2> yeah
[00:56] <Vantrax> on the other hand i might be presenting all of this at linux.conf.au
[00:57] <Vantrax> well presenting how we develop and manage large scale linux deployments
[00:57] <pleia2> we kinda booed the guy who presented on using ad to manage everything at the ukuug spring conference
[00:57] <pleia2> first talk at this unix lisa-like conference was about AD?!
[00:57] <Vantrax> well when you hit network you really have to use novel/ldap or AD
[00:57] <doctormo_> back
[00:57] <pleia2> the openldap talks were received much better :)
[00:58] <Vantrax> and btw Kerberos, the core of AD is FOSS and AD Domains can be run via the MIT Kerberos server side app without windows
[00:58] <pleia2> doctormo_: if you could pipe up in this discussion with Steve about what you want to learn that'd be great :)
[01:03] <doctormo_> pleia2: Hey, digging people out of Active Directory and Share Point and all those other demons. That's why the sys admin course had LDAP and Karberos as two sections (not very well done, but a start)
[01:04] <pleia2> doctormo_: that's right! :)
[02:31] <BiosElement> doctormo_, The HTML generated by asciidoc works outta the box even without any extra CSS added to moodle
[03:07] <BiosElement> doctormo_, Around?
[03:13] <doctormo_> BiosElement: back
[03:14] <BiosElement> doctormo_, HTML generated works perfectly besides for some CSS styling
[03:14] <doctormo_> BiosElement: I'd still like to have the pow-a to style it!
[03:14] <doctormo_> Yes, yes, I read it :-P
[03:14] <BiosElement> haha
[03:18] <doctormo_> OK so we have out set of different formats with their positives and negatives. Now that we have some solid data about what features are there, we should put it to some kind of a vote.
[03:18]  * doctormo_ thanks BiosElement very warmly for doing the research
[03:18] <BiosElement> Yep. Oh, and I'm looking into Qt+Python for a cross-platform bzr system
[03:20] <doctormo> BiosElement: Bah, don't find something before I've put my work to good use, I've done a lot of exciting things today and I wouldn't like them made pointless by something already written.
[03:21] <BiosElement> haha, Aight :P
[03:21] <pleia2> ah, ignorance is bliss :)
[03:24] <doctormo> pleia2: It's talk like a pirate day tomorrow, don't you just wish you didn't know that :-p
[03:26] <pleia2> doctormo: not tomorrow, saturday :)
[03:27] <doctormo> pleia2: Tomorrow from tomorrow... or tomorrow UTC
[03:27] <pleia2> fair enough :)
[03:27] <pleia2> and yes, same day as software freedom day!
[03:28] <doctormo> Nice
[03:28] <pleia2> but dressing as pirates during software freedom day probably sends the wrong message
[03:29] <pleia2> "here, have free software, from pirates, hmm..."
[03:29] <BiosElement> *cough* That's a bad combo :P
[03:29] <pleia2> yeah
[03:29] <doctormo> pleia2: Yah! you can take me life, but ye canna take me FREEDOM!
[03:30] <pleia2> lol
[03:30] <doctormo> Doesn't really go down with the do it yourself, killing anyone who gets in the way attatude of traditional pirates.
[03:38] <BiosElement> So doctormo When do you want to hold that vote?
[03:39] <pleia2> right now, go
[03:41] <doctormo> pleia2: You sure you don't want to present some findings to Vantrax, cprofit and bodi too?
[03:41] <pleia2> doctormo: I wasn't actually being serious
[03:41] <pleia2> maybe at our next meeting?
[03:42] <pleia2> I will still be out, but I can leave my vote with someone
[03:42] <BiosElement> haha
[03:49] <doctormo> BiosElement: If you could just conclude your research on the mailing list with each format (including odf, docbook, sphinx and asciidoc) examples and the main positives and negatives of each one. Then we can have a proper vote at the next (or next next) meeting.
[03:49] <doctormo> I ask because I don't want a vote on vauge feelings and nostalgia.
[03:49] <BiosElement> doctormo, Will do
[03:50]  * doctormo goes to bed
[03:50] <pleia2> night doctormo
[03:50] <BiosElement> Night doctormo
[03:50] <doctormo> Thanks a _lot_ BiosElement, your a champion.
[03:50] <BiosElement> Darn you pleia2 Beat me by one second >.>
[05:03] <Gen1us2k> hi all
[05:07] <Raidsong> hello
[15:46] <doctormo> dinda: Your Thoughts: http://doctormo.blip.tv/file/2618440/
[16:16] <geekbuntu>  all: good morning - i have a new install of ubuntu 9,04 64bit - system/preference/remote desktop is setup when i log into it remotely i do not have control over the input devices - can anyone make any suggestions?
[16:35] <doctormo> geekbuntu: The best place to go is #ubuntu-signpost or #ubuntu, this channel is for educational materials creation.
[16:37] <geekbuntu> ok - tyvm
[17:08] <pleia2> doctormo: neat!
[17:13] <doctormo> pleia2: Would this be something you would find useful?
[17:15] <pleia2> doctormo: authentication is what I found most difficult
[17:15] <pleia2> so this + additional portion for push w/ easy LP auth would be perfect
[18:30] <doctormo> pleia2: I figured that would be the next step
[18:30] <pleia2> doctormo: yeah :)
[18:34] <doctormo> pleia2: The test is to have a blank ubuntu install and move from there
[18:35] <pleia2> yeah, I use virtualbox for testing
[18:37] <doctormo> As you know from the PXE boot stuff, me too
[18:44]  * pleia2 nods
[20:09] <BiosElement> Wow, Finally another good ubuntu theme >.< Hanso got shipped in the karmic community-themes package. Actually pretty good.
[20:37] <johnyO> hmm not much learning going on here
[20:38] <pleia2> johnyO: we do course development :)
[20:38] <doctormo> johnyO: depends, I'm learning a lot
[20:38] <pleia2> and there is plenty of that happening!
[20:39] <johnyO> Next course is at 8 on monday?
[20:39] <doctormo> For the moodle stuff yes
[21:02] <BiosElement> doctormo, I think this may be useful to point course writers too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worse_is_better
[21:13] <doctormo> BiosElement: Interesting article
[21:16] <BiosElement> Yeah, that's what I figured
[21:58] <BiosElement> I just found out that WeeChat also uses asciidoc >.>
[22:07] <pleia2> why is that ">.>"?
[22:07] <pleia2> I thought that's good!
[22:07] <BiosElement> Because I'd been reading these docs just last week and never noticed until just today it was asciidoc