[15:57] <pitti> hello
[15:57]  * apw waves
[15:57] <Riddelll> why it must be time for another release meeting
[15:57] <apw> could it be, could it be
[15:57]  * fader_ waves.
[15:57] <robbiew> ah....the anticipation
[15:59] <ogra> moop moop
[15:59] <ttx> \o
[15:59] <apw> robbiew, pgraner is on the road, so i am covering kernel
[15:59] <robbiew> 30 sec....wait for it
[15:59] <njpatel> hey hey
[15:59] <marjo> marjo waves
[15:59] <robbiew> oh....15sec
[15:59] <robbiew> lol
[16:00] <robbiew> #startmeeting
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:59. The chair is robbiew.
[16:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:00] <robbiew> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2009-09-18
[16:00] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Actions from previous meetings
[16:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Actions from previous meetings
[16:00] <robbiew> I think all are done
[16:01] <robbiew> so moving on
[16:01] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Team Reports
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Team Reports
[16:01] <cjwatson> cr3: can you confirm that that unaligned pointer bug in grub2 is now fixed for you?
[16:02] <cr3> cjwatson: I'm still getting a problem reported in bug #432497, which I'm not sure whether it's a hardware problem or a compatibility problem
[16:02] <robbiew> cr3: what's the model number?
[16:03] <cjwatson> cr3: ok, entirely separate (and probably not a kernel bug)
[16:03]  * robbiew has an Aspire One 
[16:03] <cjwatson> oh, looks like it is a kernel bug actually
[16:03] <fader_> robbiew: It's an A110
[16:03] <cjwatson> that ata driver ain't happy
[16:03] <cr3> robbiew: AOA 110
[16:03] <cjwatson> it's saying "media error" rather a lot
[16:04] <robbiew> okay..I'll check mine...thinks it's different
[16:04] <cjwatson> cr3: so if you can't install, then presumably you do not know whether the grub2 bug is fixed
[16:04] <cr3> cjwatson: but for the sake of this action item, you're right: entirely different. I'm not getting the grub2 problem I was having before anymore
[16:04] <cr3> cjwatson: I could install before, I can't install anymore. so, good point, you're right
[16:05] <robbiew> well since QA is already chatting away
[16:05] <robbiew> [TOPIC] QA
[16:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA
[16:05] <robbiew> :D
[16:05] <marjo> hi folks
[16:05] <marjo> * Hardware testing
[16:05] <marjo> We have 2 open bugs against hardware:
[16:05] <marjo> #432497 - unable to install on Acer Aspire One
[16:05] <marjo> #431970 - internal microphone not working on HP Mini Bixby and Toshiba NB100
[16:05] <marjo> There are a couple of netbooks that are untested; Marc Tardif is testing
[16:05] <marjo> these today and will report any bugs found.
[16:05] <marjo> specs status next
[16:06] <cr3> marjo: one of the laptops seems to have hardware problems, so we might need to blacklist it
[16:06] <ScottK> o/
[16:06] <marjo> cr3: ok
[16:06] <marjo> * UbuntuSpec:karmic-qa-increase-apport-adoption
[16:06] <marjo> On Launchpad's edge server any urls that contain +filebug and ubuntu
[16:06] <marjo> in them are now redirected to the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs wiki page.
[16:06] <marjo> That page encourages bug reporters to use apport for reporting bugs about Ubuntu.
[16:06] <marjo> Further information regarding the change can be found at http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1908.
[16:06] <marjo> Multiple data points are currently being monitored to measure the success of the change.
[16:07]  * ScottK has filed multiple bugs about it already
[16:07] <marjo> ok thx
[16:08] <marjo> * UbuntuSpec:karmic-qa-extended-audio-testing
[16:08] <marjo> Extended audio tests are complete. Almost ready to perform the automated audio testing on a daily basis.
[16:08] <robbiew> kewl
[16:08] <marjo> * UbuntuSpec:karmic-qa-metrics-based-testing-phase-2
[16:08] <marjo> cr3 explored Phoronix test definitions and determined appropriate schema to extend the current concept of test results to support their tests
[16:09] <marjo> any Qs on specs?
[16:09] <robbiew> so are they all "implemented"?
[16:09] <robbiew> status wise
[16:09] <marjo> robbiew: yes
[16:09] <robbiew> cool...thnx
[16:09] <marjo> implemented is implied; just reporting current status
[16:10] <marjo> * Alpha 6 test results
[16:10] <marjo> Marjo will send out the full report via email. Here are the highlights.
[16:10] <marjo> Bugs that affected testing effectiveness:
[16:10] <marjo> # 430611 , dbus fails to start on clean boot using upstart job ,
[16:10] <marjo> dbus (Ubuntu) , Critical , Fix Released
[16:10] <marjo> dbus (Ubuntu Karmic) , Critical , Fix Released
[16:10] <marjo> # 431786 , auto-resize fails due to fsck error on superblock ,
[16:10] <marjo> ubiquity (Ubuntu) , High , New
[16:10] <marjo> ubiquity (Ubuntu Karmic) , High , New
[16:10] <marjo> # 427709 , [MIR] insserv ,
[16:10] <marjo> insserv (Ubuntu) , Critical , Fix Committed
[16:10] <marjo> insserv (Ubuntu Karmic) , Critical , Fix Committed
[16:10] <pitti> (insserv is fix released)
[16:11] <robbiew> whoohoo...thnx pitti
[16:11] <marjo> pitti: thx!
[16:11] <marjo> excellent!
[16:11] <marjo> Test Failure Analysis
[16:11] <marjo> 113 test cases were run. 17 of them were marked as FAIL.
[16:11] <marjo> Failure Rate = 15%
[16:12] <marjo> that's all i have unless there's interest in each product line status
[16:13] <robbiew> any questions for QA?
[16:13] <pitti> are many of the failures due to general bugs like boot changes or hw specific?
[16:13] <marjo> pitti: in general yes
[16:13] <pitti> i. e. was a6 a major bug surge due due to that?
[16:13] <marjo> boot changes, e.g.
[16:14] <pitti> "a or b" -> yes .. which?
[16:14]  * ogra grins :)
[16:14] <lool> marjo: I was wondering whether you consider tests against all images we produce for an alpha including superseded ones or just the latest image
[16:14] <marjo> a
[16:14] <pitti> ogra: well, it's logically correct :)
[16:14] <marjo> lool: just the latest images
[16:14] <lool> marjo: I think it would be good to include at least bug stats for previous images
[16:14] <marjo> lool: what's the objective for that suggestion?
[16:15] <ogra> lool wants to see progress :)
[16:15] <lool> I mean I might find a bug in the first image I test and not keep mentionning it in all subsequent respins
[16:15] <marjo> lool: ah, yes
[16:15] <lool> So I might be filing 10 bugs in the first test image and 3 more in the second
[16:15] <ogra> oh, i often do that too
[16:15] <lool> marjo: Ok thanks for considering for next milestone then
[16:15] <ScottK> And if they are fixed, it'll look good.  If they aren't, it's important to know.
[16:15] <marjo> lool: ok i understand; let me work with the team on that
[16:15] <lool> ScottK: exactly
[16:15] <marjo> scottk: agree
[16:16] <robbiew> thanks marjo
[16:17] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Desktop
[16:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop
[16:17] <pitti> This week we made some good progress in both fixing RC bugs, and also reviewing our list for bugs which should also be RC (that's why we got so many new ones on the list this week).
[16:17] <pitti> The licensing question was settled, we could upload new xsplash artwork and update copyright files for the other artwork related packages. This also unblocks the new usplash artwork, which still needs to get integrated (will take some time to calculate picture positions, etc.)
[16:17] <pitti> Both feature and DX/OLS integration wise we are pretty much done. We'll move to full steam bug fixing mode from now on and will LART anyone who wants to change major things now. :-)
[16:17] <pitti> X-wise, ATI cards should finally work again, they were terribly broken for a while. My gut feeling is that X is again in good shape, there are only some reports about occasional freezes on some intel chips after suspend.
[16:17] <pitti> bug/spec stats and planned changes are on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:18] <apw> pitti, were those intel hangs you 'feel' before or after the recent mesa fix?
[16:18] <pitti> apw: they've been there forever
[16:18]  * ogra had them too, and for me they seem to be gone now 
[16:18] <apw> that was triggerng a lot of suspend/resume issues
[16:18] <pitti> I filed that upstream
[16:18] <rickspencer3_> apw: so "before"
[16:18] <apw> and should now be fixed
[16:18] <pitti> apw: I tried your kernel, but it didn't fix it
[16:18] <ogra> pitti, mesa
[16:18] <pitti> likewise
[16:18] <apw> the kernel wouldn't have no, it was a mesa bug blowing the gpu
[16:19] <pitti> that mesa (as it is in karmic) with karmic kernel still crashes
[16:19] <pitti> I also get the screen corruptions again, but that's just fixed in apw's test kernel I think
[16:19] <apw> ok do we have a bug for tha tone
[16:20] <pitti> I filed it upstream, yes
[16:20] <pitti> freedesktop bug 23923
[16:20] <pitti> bleh
[16:20] <pitti> they asked me for some debug info
[16:21] <pitti> (why did they make that private?)
[16:21] <apw> perhaps its a security issue
[16:21] <pitti> it wasn't even investigated that far yet
[16:21] <pitti> they asked me to test the patch which you have in your kernel, andn now for gpu/reg dump before/after suspend
[16:22] <pitti> anyway, if someone is interested, I can certainly subscribe them to the bug
[16:22] <apw> please
[16:23] <pitti> done
[16:23] <pitti> yes, they ticked "security/subscribers only"
[16:23] <pitti> any other questions wrt. desktop, to get away from the technical details again?
[16:24] <Riddelll> I have a wee Kubuntu update if wanted
[16:24] <pitti> please
[16:24] <Riddelll> KubuntuKarmicXsplash is done
[16:24] <Riddelll> KubuntuKarmicNetbook got moved to implemented
[16:24] <Riddelll> jockey-kde needs some checking
[16:24] <Riddelll> different install methods need checking: oem config, dvd, upgrade
[16:24] <Riddelll> social from the start components need double checking to make sure they work
[16:24] <Riddelll> and otherwise we're all good
[16:24] <pitti> jockey-kde is misbehaving?
[16:24] <ScottK> apport-kde is problematic too.
[16:24] <pitti> apport-kde is acting up, so I heard; Yuri had a fix, but I didn't seee it yet
[16:24] <Riddelll> pitti: dunno I only tried it once and it didn't work until I installed jockey-gtk
[16:25] <Riddelll> oh yes forgot about apport-kde
[16:25]  * ScottK got it to work in a live environment, but not after install (couldn't find the drivers)
[16:25] <ScottK> (jockey-kde)
[16:26] <robbiew> anything else for Desktop?
[16:27] <robbiew> thanks pitti
[16:27] <robbiew> [TOPIC] DX
[16:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  DX
[16:27] <ScottK> With luck we'll get out final big U/I push for Kubuntu Netbook this weekend
[16:27] <ScottK> (sorry, slow typing)
[16:27] <robbiew> lol..no prob
[16:27] <robbiew> anyone here from DX?  dbarth?
[16:27] <Riddelll> agateau's libindicate 2 support is in for qt/kde bits
[16:27] <davidbarth> sorry, yes, here
[16:28] <davidbarth> the release status report is up at the usual:
[16:28] <ScottK> Updated quassel patches are uploaded too (from upstream git)
[16:28] <davidbarth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicReleaseStatus
[16:29] <davidbarth> of note: more fixes to get applications to use the new v2 of the indicator-messages api
[16:29] <pitti> new xsplash yummy
[16:29] <robbiew> whoohoo!
[16:29] <davidbarth> and also more indicator-session fixes to reflect the status of IM clients, even if they are started after the session menu (which was almost always the case...)
[16:30] <robbiew> cool
[16:30] <davidbarth> and xsplash artwork goodness thanks to Jane and the Design team
[16:30] <robbiew> yes!
[16:30]  * robbiew is tired from all the throbber complaints
[16:30] <davidbarth> some nasty crashers with n-osd, that we're still looking into
[16:30] <robbiew> now we will get new ones :)
[16:30] <robbiew> ok
[16:30] <davidbarth> ;)
[16:31] <robbiew> any questions for the DX team?
[16:32] <robbiew> ok, thanks davidbarth
[16:32] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Mobile
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Mobile
[16:32] <ogra> hey, thats me :)
[16:32] <robbiew> :)
[16:32] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:32] <ogra> armel:
[16:32] <ogra> - dove images are working and installable now
[16:32] <ogra> - oo.o is in a scary state
[16:32] <ogra> - imx51 successfully made A6 with no arch specific regressions
[16:32] <ogra> - we're having high hopes for the outcome of the kernel sprint ;)
[16:32] <ogra> moblin-remix:
[16:32] <ogra> - currently broken, blocked by a missing upstream, but we have a path forward and things are in progress
[16:33]  * lool thanks ogra for taking up this week's report
[16:33] <lool> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:33] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:33] <ogra> :)
[16:34] <robbiew> so we're changing the UNR icon theme, huh?
[16:35] <lool> Yeah
[16:35] <robbiew> bug 430277
[16:35] <lool> In jaunty it was the same as desktop
[16:35] <ogra> yes, will need a freeze exception indeed
[16:35] <lool> in karmic we tried using humanity instead of human
[16:35] <lool> but that has many issues
[16:35] <lool> Issues: http://paste.ubuntu.com/273559/
[16:36] <lool> (From a mail to ubuntu-doc@ warning about the change)
[16:36] <robbiew> will that affect the networking indicator?  currently it's hard to tell when you are and are not connected to wifi
[16:36] <lool> robbiew: it will work the same as in the Ubuntu Desktop Edition once we revert back to Human
[16:36] <lool> robbiew: So yes it will fix that bug
[16:36] <robbiew> nice
[16:36] <pitti> (the ethernet icon is ugly as well, asking design team now)
[16:37] <ogra> ++
[16:37] <robbiew> lol
[16:37] <apw> its wider too so things shuffle
[16:37] <robbiew> you know it's a solid product when we start complaining about the ethernet icon :P
[16:38] <pitti> it looks more like a Pacman ghost than an ethernet thingy
[16:38] <pitti> robbiew: the polish, man, the polish! :-)
[16:38] <ogra> yeap, absolutely
[16:38] <robbiew> indeed!
[16:38] <robbiew> okay...anything else for or from Mobile?
[16:39] <lool> apw: ack
[16:39] <pitti> mpt| pitti, ivanka and kwwii are going to sort it.
[16:39] <pitti> screw boot failures, we get nice icons back!
[16:39] <robbiew> lol
[16:39] <pitti> (SCNR)
[16:40] <robbiew> thnx ogra
[16:40] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Kernel
[16:40] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel
[16:40] <apw> ..
[16:40] <apw> Overall kernel team status is summarised at the URL below, including the bugs called out in the agenda.  There are a number of arm bugs listed most of which appear to be on progress for resolution.  The other new ones are rfkill and hotkey related.
[16:40] <apw> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:40] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:40] <apw> In the last week a number of regressions have been nailed which were affecting Intel graphics corruption and hangs.  We have also closed out a large number of suspend/resume regressions related to the GPU hangs, as well as to bluetooth and GSM support.
[16:41] <apw> All the items which impact the distro release schedule seem to be basically complete, mostly little pieces incomplete.  ARM continues to progress with the imx51 branch now up to v2.6.31 and integrating the latest updates from Freescale.  We continue to target regression-potential bugs.
[16:41] <apw> ..
[16:41] <robbiew> questions for Kernel?
[16:42] <robbiew> cool...thanks apw
[16:42] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Server
[16:42] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server
[16:42] <ttx> o/
[16:42] <robbiew> ttx: sorry...but added a few more bugs to the agenda late
[16:42] <ttx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus was refreshed a couple seconds ago
[16:43] <ttx> to try to cover for the very late agenda changes :P
[16:43] <robbiew> they were tagged eucalyptus and milestoned...but not targeted
[16:43] <ttx> I think I did that. Let's see
[16:43] <robbiew> if that was on purpose...then feel free to untarget
[16:43] <ttx> 418130: Karmic EC2 images don't use a karmic kernel is now completed
[16:44] <ttx> with aklpha6 release, we are using a karmic kernel on our EC2 images.
[16:44] <robbiew> whoohoo!
[16:44] <robbiew> that's a big accomplishment...good work guys
[16:44] <ttx> thanks to everyone involved in that.
[16:44] <robbiew> kudos to rtg
[16:44] <apw> and jj
[16:45] <ttx> the other bugss are all mentioned on the status page.
[16:45] <ttx> we already fixed (or committed fixes for) a couple
[16:45] <ttx> that said, there are still plenty to fix, plus probably some others that are critical and unreported.
[16:46] <ttx> I intend to work on that first-user-experience eucalyptus bugs next week, time permitting
[16:46] <ttx> to make sure the bugs reflect what we really need to fix to make it usable.
[16:47] <ttx> About alpha6, we had an issue with the AWS page content at the last minute
[16:47] <robbiew> heh
[16:47] <ttx> with the few people having the keys to that kingdom not present
[16:47] <ttx> I think we need to have one release team member empowered with this mythical key
[16:48] <ttx> to make sure it doesn't happen again
[16:48] <cjwatson> where is that - on www.ubuntu.com or elsewhere?
[16:48] <robbiew> there was discussion of adding someone from the server team to the release team
[16:48] <ttx> cjwatson: it's an EC2 account
[16:48] <robbiew> elsewhere...Amazon
[16:49] <ttx> all in all we are trying to finalize the EC2 release process for beta
[16:49] <ttx> and automate it as much as possible
[16:50] <robbiew> I figured we would just make smoser carry a pager and laptop with 3G :P
[16:50] <ttx> robbiew: that would do it as well.
[16:50] <robbiew> any questions for Server?
[16:51] <robbiew> thanks ttx
[16:51] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Security
[16:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security
[16:52]  * robbiew added this one...figure they deserve their own topic ;)
[16:52]  * jdstrand feels slightly unprepared
[16:52] <robbiew> no worries
[16:52] <ttx> jdstrand: it always feels like that.
[16:52] <jdstrand> and by 'slightly' I mean totally
[16:52] <jdstrand> robbiew: what are you lokking for here?
[16:52] <jdstrand> looking
[16:53] <ogra> more safety ?
[16:53] <ogra> locks and chains ?
[16:53] <robbiew> current status on bugs targeted for the release
[16:53] <jdstrand> ah
[16:53] <robbiew> any blueprints that are still not implemented
[16:53] <robbiew> that's it
[16:53] <jdstrand> well, afaik, all our features are either in or deferred
[16:53] <robbiew> cool and I only saw bug 429872
[16:53] <jdstrand> mdeslaur has a FFe out for his apache2 profile
[16:54] <robbiew> ah, okay thnx
[16:54] <jdstrand> robbiew: jj is handling that one
[16:54] <robbiew> cool
[16:54] <robbiew> anyone have questions for the Security team?
[16:54] <robbiew> do you feel safe?
[16:54] <robbiew> :P
[16:54] <jdstrand> there are some libvirt/apparmor integration bugs that I am working on, but I'll fix these once I get my upstream patch finished and rebase the libvirt patch on it
[16:55] <robbiew> okay...are those targeted to Karmic?
[16:55] <jdstrand> I uploaded a workaround for bug #431090 this morning, but it needs the real fix
[16:56] <jdstrand> robbiew: these only just came up this morning, so I need to file the bugs
[16:56] <jdstrand> I have a plan to fix them, and know how, just need to do it
[16:56] <robbiew> ack...hmm...so is "Fix released" the real state then (for 431090)
[16:56] <jdstrand> robbiew: it is for 'eucalyptus VMs'
[16:56] <robbiew> ah
[16:56] <robbiew> okay
[16:57] <ScottK> Sounds like jdstrand needs fewer meetings ...
[16:57] <ScottK> ;-)
[16:57] <jdstrand> robbiew: but it isn't for other people specifying a kernel, serial console or initrd
[16:57] <robbiew> jdstrand: okay, thanks
[16:58] <jdstrand> robbiew: anyhoo, I have gotten feedback from my upstreaming work, and when I do that, this will magically be fixed
[16:58] <robbiew> sounds good
[16:58] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Foundations
[16:58] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations
[16:59]  * robbiew scrolls through the recent boot bugs :/
[16:59] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic just updated; I won't enumerate all the bugs here, as we just gained a lot thanks to Robbie running the meeting and dumping on his own team. ;-)
[16:59] <cjwatson> Some held-over grub2 bugs, ditto eucalyptus, and some more causes of filesystem timestamps being wrong and causing spurious fscks.
[16:59] <cjwatson> Most current bugs are related to the boot extravaganza that landed on Tuesday; the landing was a bit rough but it has mostly settled down now. The remaining problems are largely from people with complex filesystem setups which mountall doesn't quite handle yet, and we're continuing to work on those.
[16:59] <cjwatson> Regarding boot performance, the reference machine is now 7 seconds faster; some cases like ogra's ARM board are very substantially faster, on the order of 45 seconds; some cases have not been sped up at all yet, but at least we have a better foundation for future work now (the 10-second target is for 10.04).
[16:59] <robbiew> heh
[16:59] <cjwatson> Wubi is still not quite working with grub2, but we're very close.
[17:00] <cjwatson> (EOF)
[17:00] <robbiew> there are some instances of slower boots with slow HDDs...however Keybuk is on top of those
[17:00] <robbiew> sreadahead needs "tweaking" ;)
[17:01] <cjwatson> oh, yeah, there's an sreadahead bug in the status
[17:01] <robbiew> questions for Foundations?
[17:02] <pitti> sreadahead> seems it's not doing anything at all here
[17:02] <pitti> which might explain the boot time increase?
[17:02] <ogra> pitti, run top directly after boot on a slow machine :)
[17:02] <pitti> I know, it's running for minutes without using any CPU or I/O
[17:02] <ogra> it runs quite long and eats 60-98% CPU
[17:02] <robbiew> bug 432089
[17:03] <ogra> yeah
[17:03] <cjwatson> it is *intended* to be useful on hdds
[17:03] <cjwatson> but yeah, not working quite so well just now
[17:03] <robbiew> when I last spoke to Keybuk, he said it had to do with the kernel stopping the I/O
[17:04] <robbiew> because it was too much (during the sreadahead profiling)
[17:04] <ogra> we should just switch from CDs to SSDs on shipit
[17:04] <ogra> solves all size probs as well ;)
[17:05] <robbiew> he had an idea about working around it...was going to discuss with gregkh next week at Plumbers
[17:05] <robbiew> thnx cjwatson
[17:05] <robbiew> [TOPIC] MOTU
[17:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU
[17:05] <ScottK> o/
[17:06] <ScottK> I think we got our last transition close to done.
[17:06] <ScottK> The various clutter packages landed way out of sync.
[17:06] <ScottK> FFe for that is approved and moving along nicely.
[17:06] <robbiew> ok
[17:06] <ScottK> The biggest concern is still the FTBFS rate on the rebuild test.
[17:06] <ScottK> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20090909/+packages
[17:07] <ScottK> http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20090909.html
[17:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20090909.html
[17:07] <ScottK> It's running above 10% and that's pretty scary.
[17:07] <ScottK> We did have the training session last week and that helped.  Another is sched for today.
[17:07]  * sistpoty|work hides
[17:07] <ScottK> A fair number of FTBFS fixes are appearing in the sponsorship queue.
[17:08] <ScottK> I'd like to ask people to try and get those into the archive asap when they are sponsoring.
[17:08] <ScottK> IMO this is a big deal for post-release supportability.
[17:08] <jdstrand> imo too
[17:08] <sistpoty|work> *nod*
[17:08] <ScottK> I also note that the IA64 buildd's are still dead due to dbus needing to be ported to ia64.
[17:09] <cjwatson> fwiw I always go for build failures first since they tend to be easy as well
[17:09] <ScottK> I don't think anyone in the community is up for that.
[17:09] <ScottK> I think either Canoncial needs to allocate resources to fix it (it may be planned, I don't know) or we need to kill the port.
[17:09] <ScottK> For similar reasons ....
[17:10] <ScottK> That's all I have.
[17:10] <sistpoty|work> do we have access to an ia64 box somewhere?
[17:10] <sistpoty|work> we==community, sorry
[17:10] <ScottK> Not that I know of.
[17:10] <sistpoty|work> bleh, that looks even sillier
[17:10] <sistpoty|work> :/
[17:11]  * sistpoty|work doesn't have anything to add
[17:11] <ScottK> There is a silo patch for sparc waiting for sponsorship that might get DI built on sparc for once.
[17:11] <ScottK> It'd be nice to get that in too.
[17:11]  * ScottK just remembered.
[17:12] <robbiew> questions for MOTU?
[17:13] <cjwatson> I *may* be able to have a look at dbus on ia64 in my (ha ha) spare time, but can't promise anything
[17:13] <robbiew> lol
[17:13] <sistpoty|work> thanks cjwatson :)
[17:13] <robbiew> [ACTION] cjwatson to *possibly* look at dbus on ia64
[17:13] <MootBot> ACTION received:  cjwatson to *possibly* look at dbus on ia64
[17:14] <robbiew> thanks ScottK
[17:14] <bittin_> is the Edubuntu meeting atm?
[17:14] <robbiew> no
[17:14] <robbiew> anything else from anyone else? :)
[17:15] <robbiew> #endmeeting
[17:15] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:15.
[17:15] <robbiew> 15min back to ya!
[17:15] <bittin_> ah its Karmic meeting as i don't run Karmic i should shut up =)
[17:16] <ScottK> It was the release team meeting.
[17:16] <lool> thanks
[17:16] <ogra> thanks#
[17:16] <sistpoty|work> thanks
[17:17] <pitti> thanks everyone
[18:10] <ace_suares> meeting edubuntu ?
[18:11] <ace_suares> #startmeeting
[18:11] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:11. The chair is ace_suares.
[18:11] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:11] <highvoltage> Good evening.
[18:11] <alkisg> Good evening everyone
[18:11] <ace_suares> {TOPIC] roll call
[18:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  roll call
[18:12] <highvoltage> Well I guess it's the 3 of us
[18:13] <ace_suares> PRESENT
[18:13]  * highvoltage 
[18:14] <highvoltage> ace_suares: I'm in a slight hurry so I'll just jump with what I need to say, ok?
[18:14] <ace_suares> hmm seems the mootbot only sees highvoltage.. alkisg not..
[18:14] <ace_suares> okay
[18:14] <highvoltage> We have an alpha build!
[18:14]  * alkisg remains hidden :)
[18:14] <highvoltage> our first one, actually
[18:14] <highvoltage> should've been #6
[18:14] <alkisg> PRESENT
[18:14] <ace_suares> [TOPIC] Edubuntu Alpha build (DVD)
[18:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Edubuntu Alpha build (DVD)
[18:15] <highvoltage> if my internet connection was a little bit slower yesterday we wouldn't have an edubuntu release for karmic
[18:15]  * ace_suares applaudes highvoltage to have made that DVD !
[18:15] <highvoltage> that's quite scary, so we need to have more testers on call for the next milestones
[18:15] <ace_suares> PRESENT
[18:15] <highvoltage> ace_suares: I didn't make it, I just tested it. if no one tests it, the release manager doesn't release it
[18:15] <highvoltage> ace_suares: the build system builds them every day
[18:16] <ace_suares> highvoltage: oh! didn't know that. As you know my intartubesnetweb is VERY slow and it's a hell to download and test.
[18:16] <ace_suares> I'm so glad you did.
[18:16] <highvoltage> The disc is in quite a good shape currently
[18:16] <ace_suares> Laserjock told that he has it down to 3.2 GB so that's good!
[18:16] <highvoltage> the biggest problems I noticed was things that will get fixed from the ubuntu side anyway
[18:16] <highvoltage> we'll have to put some work into artwork and making it look nicer for karmic+1, imo
[18:17] <highvoltage> I couldn't download the amd64 iso in time, my internet connection was just too slow to get it down in time
[18:17] <ace_suares> so there won;t be a release for amd64?
[18:17] <highvoltage> so we might not have an amd64 release, we have to check on that whether it's possible
[18:17] <ScottK> BTW, once you've downloaded one, you can use rysnc to update your image without having to redownload the entire ISO.
[18:17] <ace_suares> right
[18:18] <ace_suares> ScottK: rsync or zsync?
[18:18] <highvoltage> ace_suares: probably not. maybe we can have an exception since it shares so much with the ubuntu dvd and if we test it properly now
[18:18] <ScottK> I know rsync works.
[18:18] <highvoltage> ScottK: I used rsync, there's still a big diff between the i386 and amd64 dvd images
[18:18] <ace_suares> ScottK: okay I'll try hat I used zsync but it segfaulted!
[18:18] <ace_suares> hat=that
[18:18] <ScottK> highvoltage: True, but if you download early and rsync regularly it's not so hard to keep up.
[18:19] <ScottK> It doesn't matter so much then if you have a slow link.
[18:19] <ace_suares> si what's the next step for testing?
[18:19] <highvoltage> ScottK: indeed, we had *massive* changes yesterday, so I had to sync almost half of the DVD for i386 and I have just a 4mbit DSL line
[18:20] <ace_suares> *just* 4Mb !? wow. I have 'just' 256k most of the time..!
[18:20] <highvoltage> ace_suares: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[18:20] <ace_suares> there's this page: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting
[18:20] <highvoltage> ace_suares: the beta release is on 1 October
[18:21] <ace_suares> Where can we look at the seeds?
[18:21] <highvoltage> ace_suares: we'll have to test the images built for that to have it released as beta images
[18:21] <ScottK> If you want to have a amd64 beta, I'd suggest asking the release team to set up the ISO tracker for a special Edubuntu test and get one through the test cycle in advance of the actual beta.
[18:21] <highvoltage> ace_suares: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/edubuntu.karmic
[18:21] <ace_suares> [ACTION] test for BETA release way for 1 oct
[18:21] <MootBot> ACTION received:  test for BETA release way for 1 oct
[18:22] <highvoltage> ScottK: that's a very good idea, thanks, we'll do so
[18:22] <cjwatson> ace_suares: IIRC zsync sometimes has a bit of trouble with DVD-sized images
[18:22] <ace_suares> [ACTION] If you want to have a amd64 beta, I'd suggest asking the release team to set up the ISO tracker for a special Edubuntu test and get one through the test cycle in advance of the actual beta.
[18:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  If you want to have a amd64 beta, I'd suggest asking the release team to set up the ISO tracker for a special Edubuntu test and get one through the test cycle in advance of the actual beta.
[18:23] <ace_suares> [IDEA] then put a note of that on the cdimage site, it advertises zsync now. Advertise rsync instead. Maybe a wiki page must be made for it!
[18:23] <MootBot> IDEA received:  then put a note of that on the cdimage site, it advertises zsync now. Advertise rsync instead. Maybe a wiki page must be made for it!
[18:23] <highvoltage> we'll have to start looking at the todo items for the release as well. release notes, updating the website, updating installation information (since that will work differently now)
[18:24] <ace_suares> [PRESENT]
[18:24] <highvoltage> I suppose more people already use rsync as apposed to zsync currently
[18:24] <highvoltage> s/suppose/think/
[18:25] <ace_suares> highvoltage: but it says use zsync and that's a wrong advice - if indeed zsync can not handle large images.
[18:25] <highvoltage> ok, feel free to take it up :)
[18:26] <ace_suares> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/WikiSite/Release/9.10/Tasks
[18:26] <ace_suares> any more on the dvd!?
[18:26] <highvoltage> I have to leave in about 3 minutes, but basically we're more or less ok now for the first time this release
[18:26] <ace_suares> great work, thaks highvoltage
[18:26] <highvoltage> we can probably squash a few bugs still, and we can improve things website/documentation/community wise somewhat
[18:26] <ace_suares> ..and LaserJock
[18:27] <ace_suares> [TOPIC] Weekly updates
[18:27] <highvoltage> I think we should schedule a meeting when he can at least connect using one of the freenode web interfaces from work
[18:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly updates
[18:27] <ace_suares> [TOPIC] meeting schedule
[18:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  meeting schedule
[18:27] <highvoltage> or perhaps we can even do an impromptu meeting when he pops in again
[18:27] <ace_suares> just go ahead and reschedule the meetings, highvoltage
[18:28] <highvoltage> ace_suares: ok
[18:28] <highvoltage> well, thank you ace_suares and alkisg, I need to be off
[18:28] <ace_suares> [ACTION] highvoltage reschedules meeting so LaserJock can be there
[18:28] <MootBot> ACTION received:  highvoltage reschedules meeting so LaserJock can be there
[18:28] <alkisg> thanks highvoltage!
[18:28] <ace_suares> bye highvoltage
[18:28] <highvoltage> (and thanks ScottK and cjwatson for feedback as well)
[18:28] <highvoltage> bye!
[18:29]  * sbeattie is using zsync to download dvds off of cdimages, and modulo one recent bug fix, it works.
[18:29] <ace_suares> [TOPIC] zsync
[18:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  zsync
[18:29] <ace_suares> sbeattie: I used zsync to download the iso, and then when I wanted to update, it segfaulted.
[18:29] <ace_suares> so you are saying zsync is safe to use?
[18:30] <sbeattie> ace_suares: it is in karmic
[18:30] <ace_suares> sbeattie: i might have an older version then
[18:31] <ace_suares> does anyone have other points he or she wants to talk about?
[18:31] <sbeattie> ace_suares: bug 420931 recently fixed in karmic, which is where I was seeing segv's when updating dvds.
[18:31] <ace_suares> sbeattie: thanks
[18:32] <ace_suares> sbeattie: we could use a backport then :-)
[18:32] <ace_suares> we are trying to test the 9.10 dvd but with our OS being 9.04 or lower and that does have that bug.
[18:33] <sbeattie> ace_suares: a backport should be trivial, an SRU might be a little more work.
[18:33] <ace_suares> sbeattie: way over my head :-)
[18:34]  * sbeattie will look into it.
[18:34] <ace_suares> [ACTION] sbeattie will look into backporting zsync to 9.04 so we can reliably use it to test Edubuntu DVD's. rsync also works as a workaround.
[18:34] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sbeattie will look into backporting zsync to 9.04 so we can reliably use it to test Edubuntu DVD's. rsync also works as a workaround.
[18:36] <ace_suares> thanks sbeattie for fixing rsync!
[18:36] <ace_suares> sorry zsync
[18:43] <ScottK> sbeattie: Feel free to ping me when you need backport approval.
[18:51] <ace_suares> 10 minutes left, any more points?
[18:57] <ace_suares> closing the meeting
[18:57] <ace_suares> #endmeeting
[18:57] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:57.
[18:59] <alkisg> Thank you ace_suares :)
[19:01] <ace_suares> Epharisto, alkisg
[19:01] <alkisg> ;)
[20:55] <alsroot> hi all
[22:00] <flint> Is Edubuntu meeting here now?
[22:06] <flint> Did I get the time or date wrong for the Edubuntu meeting?
[22:25] <flint> highvoltage, Jonathan, when does the Edubuntu meeting start?  I have some great news!
[22:27] <flint> Listen folks, my wife ran out of gasoline on the road, so I gotta go rescue her.  I would like to introduce to the Edubuntu community ALSROOT.
[22:28] <flint> Alsroot has completed the port of sugar to ubuntu!!!!!!  I wish I could stay for the meeting, but duty (or my wife) calls!
[22:29] <flint> alsroot, I will be here just not online. Tell the nice folks in this community how you have just set education on ubuntu on fire.  Thanks for being here!
[22:30]  * alsroot hanging around all time
[23:28] <ScottK> flint and alsroot: You missed the meeting by ~4 hours.
[23:28] <alsroot> heh