[00:24] anyone using ubuntu on ec2? i'm trying to decide which version to use [00:25] also-- anyone know where i can get the kernel source w/ any patches used to create ubuntu's ec2 kernels? [00:25] can't seem to find that anywhere... [00:30] Are there any good NAS server management software packaged for Ubuntu? [00:45] bnjmn: What do you mean "which version to use"? [00:45] bnjmn: The EC2 kernel source may or may not be available, but it isn't much use since you can't build your own kernels for EC2. [00:51] New bug: #288379 in virt-manager (universe) "4th network extremely slow/broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/288379 [00:52] I'm trying to install Ubuntu 9.04 server onto a computer that has no CD drive, via a USB stick. The installer does not like this, and wants me to give it a CD drive. Google is not pointing me in the right direction. Does anyone know how to do this? [00:58] i want to build my own kernel module [01:09] if i could just get the config that would be great [01:11] New bug: #335809 in kvm (main) "KVM activates (GNOME) Screensaver when inside SDL window" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/335809 [01:21] New bug: #362550 in kvm (universe) "ignores -no-shutdown" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/362550 [01:21] New bug: #365569 in kvm (universe) "KVM segfaults with a specific disk image." [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365569 [01:21] New bug: #370270 in kvm (universe) "ttyS0 pass through in guest running in KVM doesn't work and eventually hangs" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/370270 [01:26] New bug: #390278 in virtinst (universe) "Windows 2000 server won't install on kvm84/hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390278 [01:28] bnjmn: Yep, kernel modules are buildable for EC2. What EC2 kernel are you using? [01:37] hi [01:38] i'm looking for some help with ubuntu server 9.04 "minimal virtual machine" option [02:10] soooo.... something happened to Samba so it doesn't start on my server at startup. It doesn't fail out, it stops the startup process so the server doesn't start. [02:20] lukehasnoname: echo /etc/rc?.d/???samba [02:55] anyone around? (with lib mono exp & apache) [02:56] New bug: #333000 in kvm (universe) "qemu/kvm incorrecty enters fullscreen when using nvidia twinview" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/333000 [02:56] New bug: #353995 in kvm "BLTs appear broken - moving blocks on the remote leaves cruft" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/353995 [02:56] New bug: #393430 in kvm "kvm: please prefer ALSA over OSS" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/393430 === monteith is now known as monteith_afk [04:11] hello all, i have 'git' up and running on my Ubuntu 9.04 server perfectly. Only issue is i'd like to start the daemon automatically on each reboot. Perhaps i'm just searching for the wrong thing, but i'm not finding where to add that into Ubuntu's normal boot\startup process, any ideas? [04:17] If there's a daemon, there should already be an init script. [04:17] Which package provides the daemon? [04:18] git itself. You can launch it as a daemon, via: sudo -u git git daemon --base-path=/home/git/repositories/ , i just need that to launch when i startup. [04:18] OK, you mean "git-core". [04:19] That has no init script, so you will need to write one. [04:19] It is probably simplest to put it in /etc/rc.local, which runs at the end of the boot process. [04:19] You should also use start-stop-daemon rather than sudo -u git. [04:23] awesome, found a couple things on it so far, let me give it a whirl. (Good thing for test virtual servers, have a feeling i'm gonna get this wrong before right :). ) [04:24] You can run /etc/rc.local by hand until you get it riht [04:24] *right [04:52] cool, so i got that working w/ rc.local. Now while i investigate the actual 'init script' i did notice it launches the process as user 'root' i definitely want to change that to user 'git.' Any ideas? My searches are coming up with a lot about 'fork' or Perl function, not just a generic way to launch /any/ process as another user. [04:55] n/m, got it. Awesome thanks for the help :) I'll continue to read this tutorial on init scripts. Ultimately that's what i want. [05:00] altf2o: you need to pass --user to start-stop-daemon [05:00] (--run-as?) [05:01] ahh, perfect... [05:03] just curious, what does everyone use for ftp server and why [05:03] software wise [05:04] android60, openssh-server [05:04] because ftp is insecure [05:06] well, I am just looking to use the ftp on my lan, of course i use winscp and openssh to do over internet transfers :) [05:06] its b.c some of the programs i have will connect either via samba or ftp, and id rather avoid samba [05:06] over a lan, smb or nfs are better choices [05:06] For anonymous read access, HTTP beats FTP. [05:07] For uploads, use SFTP (OpenSSH) [05:07] and yes, read-only, http is great [05:07] i also have apache because as a hobby i do websites with php etc [05:07] Both in terms of security and protocol design, FTP has serious limitations that make it unsuitable for use in production. [05:07] i just finished setting up Samba on my little test server, i was amazed how easy it was. I changed 1 line, added my shares, added libpam-smbpass, rebooted, done. [05:08] ftp was originally designed before the concept of firewalls existed [05:08] as such it's completely obsolete and difficult to work with [05:09] altf2o: what did libpam-smbpass do? [05:09] libpam-smbpass makes samba authentication less difficult [05:09] android60: Samba keeps it's own db of user\pass's. That PAM module syncs Samba w/ local Linux user\pass's. [05:10] I've tried samba but I was having user permission problems. and I don't like having to add a user to samba access, i wish i could just create a user on the system and have it automatically allow them access to specified shares [05:10] well then, [05:10] So if i add user 'steve' instead of having to then do: smbpasswd .... to give him a Samba password, it updates it for me. I maintain one, much easier. [05:10] thats exactly what i want [05:10] i better write it down before i forget [05:11] is there any setup for libpam-smbpass or once installed its good to go [05:11] android60: what i've done 2 things. If i'm creating private shares, i add it to my home directory, limit access to myself. If i need a public share for multiple people i create a group, add them to that group, create the directory i want to share and assign it to that group. I usually: chmod 0775 the folder and just use "read only = user, list here" for folks i want to be 'read only' on it. [05:12] samba's magic homes share is incredibly useful [05:12] you can usually just use that, plus a public share [05:12] android60: yep, should be good to go. One thing i noticed is it won't update for me until that user 'logs in' even: su steve , did it. Can't figure out how to manually say "please re-sync" [05:12] agrees w/ homes share. [05:13] ya, see im mostly using mine as a nas, so all relevant files and folders are not on the system hard drive. that was another question i had [05:13] was is there a way to have the home directories point to like /media/MainStorage1/Documents/usernames_here [05:13] b.c i would like encrypted home directories [05:13] just not on my 40gb system drive [05:14] you can create a separate /home partition [05:14] ya, i just kinda didnt want to do that [05:14] that's the usual way to do that, or use ecryptfs for encrypted homes [05:14] i have 2 1TB drives, one is for archive via cron job rsync [05:14] you could use symbolic links, but be aware that if the target is ever missing, it will break logins [05:15] ya thats what i was trying to avoid also [05:15] ubuntu server is great for my needs, and the system its on is only like sempron 1250+ and 1 gb ram [05:16] i think i might up ram alittle bit once i get mythtv backend going [05:16] what is probably ideal for what you want is to have a separate /home partition, and use ecryptfs for homes [05:16] putting the /home partition on a separate hard drive [05:17] ya, i might do that down the line. im not in a hurry to do that right now [05:19] does widnows support nfs? like if i want to map a network drive? [05:19] no [05:19] didnt think so [05:19] windows uses SMB [05:19] which is what samba does [05:20] there are NFS clients for windows, but I've never used them, and from what I've read, they're rough [05:20] ya same here [05:20] i didnt know if vista/win7 supported it or what [05:20] nfs is generally something to be avoided also, unless you're really taking care to set up a secured nix enviroment [05:21] oh, i wasnt aware of that [05:21] unless you're using an nfsv4 with kerberos setup, it's pretty insecure [05:22] and it uses RPC, which is somewhat painful to deal with [05:22] never really heard of any of that, but ill take your word for it [05:22] it's another one of those really old protocols that just weren't built in today's internet [05:22] samba's not much better, but on a LAN you're fine [05:22] it's also pretty much the only way to integrate well with windows [05:23] ya [05:26] Kerberos looks really nice, and not to bad to setup. That's sort of my next project LDAP + Kerberos [05:28] openssh is the swiss army knife of secure protocols [05:28] shell access, tunnels, file transfer, even mounting filesystems [05:29] all on one port [05:29] all encrypted [05:29] i'm new to it, but i don't know what i'd do without it now. [06:17] I have a guy with an issue about how to use a custom 404 page on his Apache server [06:17] can anyone help me/him out? [06:17] "i run apache built into a WAMP server for my website, but i cant figure out how to set the 404 page to a custom one in the httpd.conf file for apache" [06:28] We do not support Windows. [06:29] Try apache's channel, which IIRC is #httpd. [06:31] twb: ok, thanks for the pointer :) [06:31] there's just not many people around, so I figured I'd see if anyone here was familiar with it as well [06:59] twb: I can't even log in. It stops the boot process. Is that not a bug? Should a program be able to lock a server up like that? I know I could probably go in grub and boot to single user mode, wipe Samba or take it out of the startup list, but wtf mang [08:01] hi [08:01] New bug: #432291 in php5 (main) ""Fatal error: Call to undefined function gzopen()" on php5 5.2.10.dfsg.1-2ubuntu3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432291 [08:01] I've been trying to set up squid with NTLM auth without succeed [08:02] it seems that my main problem is that winbind is not working properly because squid is not in the same machine as samba PDC [08:02] but I'm not able to find any site which talks about this [08:02] and all tutorials I've been reading point to the same scenario: samba and squid in the same computer [08:03] now I'm able to do a wbinfo -t and wbinfo -a domain\\user%password and it works [08:03] but wbinfo -u nor wbinfo -a work [08:15] <_ruben> bah .. why do customers still request servers with php4 installed .. its been dead for years [08:17] do you still install php4? [08:17] on request? [08:19] because dead isn't defined by whether or not there are still releases occurring [08:19] people with revenue generating apps don't necessarily convert to the latest version of a language [08:23] <_ruben> henkjan: sortof .. i completely firewall the box and them fuck things up themselves [08:31] New bug: #423465 in eucalyptus (main) "euca.p12 owned by root" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423465 === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson [08:47] hey all [08:48] i have a standard install of 8.04 server. how can i configure ftp? [08:49] install vsftpd [08:49] i'm finding stuff about vsftpd and proftpd but what's the difference, and which is installed by default? [08:49] ah, none is installed/ [08:49] ubuntu server by default doesn't install any services [08:49] it has no open ports [08:49] i chose to install LAMP though [08:50] and apache is on by default [08:50] you don't get ftp service with that [08:50] ok [08:52] brb [08:52] then whats the difference between the different ftpds? [08:52] it's up to you [08:52] i prefere vsfptd [08:52] some like proftpd [08:52] you can't go wrong with eny of them [08:52] any [08:52] brb [08:55] how can I get a version of a packages installed? [08:55] s/get/check [08:55] dpkg -l [08:55] thanks [08:55] dpkg -l | grep package [08:55] <_ruben> dpkg -l package ;) [08:56] or that :) [08:56] apt-cache policy package [08:57] are there no suitable alternatives to ftp for accessing files? [08:57] of course there are [08:58] sftp, scp, webdav [08:58] etc... [08:58] afs :-) [08:58] does ubuntu come with netatalk client? [08:58] or is it easy to set up? [08:59] no, n/a [08:59] i'm installing netatalk anyway for my mac [08:59] jdstrand: Yes, a quick workaround would be lovely. [08:59] how can I use ubuntu server to host any website [08:59] himanshurauthan: you should install web server [08:59] himanshurauthan: you can't host other people's websites [09:00] on ubuntu server can't I do [09:00] what is this web server then [09:00] in ubuntu? [09:00] Unfortunately, unlike Debian, Ubuntu's initrd does not include a web server. [09:01] So for what purpose I can use ubuntu server [09:01] apache [09:01] break=bottom, busybox httpd FTW [09:01] himanshurauthan: sudo tasksel install lamp-server [09:02] himanshurauthan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP [09:02] ok so after installing lamp server can I host a website in that [09:02] himanshurauthan: yes [09:03] so what all other stuffs do I need if I want to host websites on a ubuntu server [09:03] do I need some special hardware also [09:04] himanshurauthan: "I want to host a website" is not really a meaningful approach. [09:04] you need a working system [09:04] hardware depends on how serious you are [09:04] Why do you want to host a website? What are you intending to host? [09:04] and how many websites you plan to have [09:05] no it is not for hosting many sites but it is about hosting my own site [09:05] Are you intending to host an intranet CMS, a family photo album, a flash-heavy bulletin board, or what? [09:05] my business site [09:05] should I go for shared server or my own dedicated server [09:06] since I want to expand it in future [09:06] OK, then the next question is: do you want to do this yourself, or do you want to hire an expert to handle it for you? [09:06] I'm a web developer basically [09:06] You're a webdev, but you don't know how to set up a webserver? [09:06] then install lamp-server [09:07] for this what type of expert I need [09:07] none [09:07] you install it [09:07] and it works [09:07] you just need to put your website on disk [09:07] is it networking or webdev [09:07] So you're already familiar with developing with technologies like PostgreSQL (or MySQL), Apache, and Python (or PHP)? [09:07] yes [09:07] is it networking or webdav? [09:07] huh? [09:08] its not networking [09:08] himanshurauthan: OK, so really all you need to do is learn how to do the underlying system administration. [09:08] its not webdev [09:08] ok [09:08] oh, how do you access the disk? [09:08] however you want - SMB/SCP/FTP/SFTP... [09:08] If you already understand how to USE stuff like Postgres, then you can probably pick up sysadmin of those services easily. [09:08] but you need to configure server for that [09:09] Installing the lamp-server task, as already recommended, will give you a basic setup that you can then tweak if/as necessary. [09:09] hm ok [09:09] basically once you install it you can just put your files there and it will work [09:09] it's not very difficult [09:09] himanshurauthan: as for hosting your own server vs. buying hosting space or a VPS, that comes down to issues like cost and who administers what. [09:10] for external purpose means not for interanet I need server right?? [09:10] that has access to the world [09:10] then I need to go for Domain name also [09:10] himanshurauthan: for a website you will also need to sort out an adequate network connection, a domain name, etc. [09:10] btw, is there a way to install i386 packages on a 64 bit OS (its a fuse filesystem) [09:11] SockPants: in general, no. It requires fundamental changes in dpkg, which are pending. There are various workarounds, however. [09:11] SockPants: I don't know what you mean by "it's a fuse filesystem" [09:11] well that's what i'm installing, afpfs-ng [09:11] there's only a .deb for 32 bit [09:11] bye [09:12] SockPants: good luck with that [09:12] >.> [09:12] how so [09:12] SockPants: why are you still running MacOS 9? [09:12] twb: whats an alternative, and i'm not [09:13] SockPants: AFP sucks. You would be better off using CIFS (Samba) and/or NFS. [09:13] i always thought cifs sucked [09:13] and i never got nfs to work [09:13] CIFS does suck. [09:13] but if afs is that bad i'm willing to try again [09:13] But AFP sucks more unless you are stuck on MacOS 9 where it's your only option. [09:13] ok [09:13] Note: AFS is not AFP. [09:13] well then i'll try nfs again [09:14] unless that's not very good either [09:14] AFS is for people who have thousands of users around the world. [09:14] yeah [09:14] i don't [09:14] If you are in a heterogeneous environment, CIFS is by far the easiest to set up [09:14] twb: the clients are only ubuntu or os x [09:14] SockPants: what do you need a client on, other than OS X, Ubuntu and Windows? [09:15] Oh sorry, I misunderstood [09:15] so nfs would work i suppose [09:15] If you are only using Ubuntu and OS X, NFS or CIFS is appropriate. [09:15] but is nfs any good [09:15] fundamentally [09:15] I hear that NFS is much easier on recent versions of OS X. [09:15] it seems all the file sharing protocols suck [09:15] YES [09:15] Basically you have to choose which kind of suck to have [09:15] cifs sucks, ftp sucks, afp sucks [09:15] hahah [09:15] ok [09:16] but nfs sucks less than those three? [09:16] what sucks most about nfs? [09:16] OS X and Ubuntu both have good CIFS and NFS clients, and Ubuntu has good servers for both of those. [09:16] ok [09:16] Probably the suckiest things about NFSv3 are its (lack of) security and its dodgy locking. [09:17] locking? [09:17] But basically all network filesystems have broken locking semantics [09:17] alright well [09:17] SockPants: as in, stopping two computers from trying to edit the same file at the same time [09:17] if it's not a severe problem [09:17] and i don't think that will happen btw [09:17] then i'll go with NFS [09:17] e.g. dodgy locking can break OpenOffice and Firefox 3, if /home is on a network filesystem. [09:18] for security i would be tunneling over ssh anyway whenever i'm outside of the lan [09:18] This happens with CIFS and NFS, and probably all other network filesystems. [09:18] SockPants: if you are outside the lan, sshfs is very good for small files [09:18] sshfs != sftp/ [09:18] + [09:18] ? [09:18] Correct. [09:19] sshfs is a way to mount SFTP as if it is part of the filesystem [09:19] ok [09:19] So programs that don't know SFTP can just read and write files normally [09:19] i'll start with nfs since i'm on the lan most of the time [09:25] what port does nfs run on [09:30] mm many [09:30] does ssh tunnel both tcp/udp? [09:31] SockPants: yes [09:31] You will not successfully tunnel NFS over ssh -w. [09:31] Not without great pain. [09:32] NFS not only uses multiple ports, it will by default negotiate additional ports during MOUNTP [09:32] And by default it refuses to countenance ports that can be bound to by unprivileged users (i.e. >= 1024). [09:37] hurrr but then how will it ever get past my firewall [09:37] i could open the default ports but it still couldnt negotiate any additional ones [09:38] SockPants: DO NOT use NFS over the WAN without using encryption (e.g. ssh, openvpn). [09:38] hence ssh [09:38] brb [09:38] If you need a network filesystem on the WAN, either use SSHFS or AFS. [09:39] NFS is only appropriate if you're inside LAN or an encrypted VPN [09:42] i might just try to set up a vpn then [09:42] what do I need to be able to use winbind in one computer to auth against a samba PDC in another computer? [09:43] though i've never used vpn so that should be interesting [09:43] but that would solve all my problems in one go i suppose [09:46] acalvo: first of all, make sure the samba side works [09:47] twb: it is working (wbinfo -u, wbinfo -g, wbinfo -a worked but no plaintext support) [09:47] acalvo: OK, I don't know what is next [09:47] I never got samba auth working right [10:41] New bug: #408947 in likewise-open5 (universe) "@reboot local crontabs do not run for likewise-open5 domain users." [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408947 [10:44] Hmm [10:44] [ 392.560519] vcpu not ready for apic_round_robin [10:45] soren: How can I fix that? You're the KVM-guru, aren't you? :) [10:46] Jeeves_: Just ignore it? [10:46] soren: :) [10:46] Jeeves_: IIRC, it's just informational. [10:47] kvm migration makes the vm crash [10:47] I need more detail to form an opinion on that :) [10:47] which is kinda annoying [10:47] What detail do you want? :) [10:47] I'm currently testing convirt [10:47] You migrate a vm from one machine to another, and in the process, the vm crashes? [10:47] Oh. With convirt, you're on your own. [10:48] Why? [10:48] I have no clue about convirt. [10:48] Ok [10:48] and it doesn't use libvirt. [10:48] Well, I've never seen it work with libvirt either, so :) [10:48] ..so it's /completely/ unknown territory. [10:49] Well, that I /might/ be able to help you with, given enough detail. [10:49] just a sec, i'll install libvirt [11:01] Yo! [11:04] soren: Same thing happens :) [11:04] What do you need to know? [11:08] Jeeves_: Everything. [11:08] Jeeves_: What are you doing? Which version of ubuntu, libvirt, and kvm are you using? [11:08] Jeeves_: Where's your storage? [11:08] Jeeves_: What's the guest OS= [11:08] ? [11:09] Jeeves_: Define "crash". [11:09] soren: Right. [11:09] Running Ubuntu Jaunty on Sun Fire X2200's [11:10] Shared storage is nfs on a Ubuntu Jaunty server [11:10] Those are Intel boxes, right? [11:10] No, AMD [11:10] Ok. [11:10] Quad-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2376 [11:10] Cool. [11:10] Quad-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2354 [11:10] * soren prefers AMD [11:10] Both boxes have 8GB RAM [11:10] When migrating, the bridge interfaces become busy [11:11] So, migration is done [11:11] Right. [11:11] when it (seems to be) is finished [11:11] I can use the vnc-like interface to view [11:11] but the vm hangs [11:11] the kvm process is moved (or restarted) on the target host [11:11] and is using 100% cpu load [11:12] Fantastic. [11:12] Ok. [11:12] The NFS is mounted in the same place on both hosts? [11:12] (let's start with the basics) [11:12] it is [11:12] Ok. [11:12] 10.0.0.1:/export/vmstore /mnt/vmstore1 nfs rw,vers=3,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,namlen=255,hard,nointr,nolock,proto=tcp,timeo=4,retrans=9,sec=sys,mountaddr=10.0.0.1,mountvers=3,mountproto=tcp,addr=10.0.0.1 0 0 [11:13] Can you pastebin the contents of /var/log/libvirt/qemu/name_of_the_domain.log from both hosts? [11:14] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/273366/ [11:15] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/273367/ [11:19] Nothing jumps out at me. Erm.. [11:20] Can you start up the domain again and look for a few things for me? [11:20] sure [11:20] what should i look for? [11:24] /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource [11:25] both tsc [11:34] Anything else? [11:39] Can you change that? [11:40] Try "echo acpi_pm | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource" [11:43] Done [11:50] Doesn't help [11:52] Did it accept the change? [11:53] root@kvm4:/var/log/libvirt/qemu# cat /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource [11:53] acpi_pm [11:53] Alright. [11:53] restarted the vm [11:53] deleted sound devices [11:56] that doesn't help either [12:18] New bug: #428650 in php5 (main) "PayPal WPP requires the PHP cURL library. (Currently using cURL Not found)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/428650 === georg is now known as kwork === georg is now known as kwork [12:58] soren: Switched to cifs storage, doesn't change a thing [12:59] Jeeves_: No, it wouldn't. [12:59] Jeeves_: I'm afraid I don't have a Jaunty rig to test this on. [13:00] soren: Need access? :) [13:00] (i'm serious though) [13:00] hi anyone here who can help me with the "minimal virtual machine" installation option in Ubuntu Server 9.04? [13:01] yonatan: Just ask your question. [13:01] We won't know unti lwe know what the question is. [13:04] towards the end of the installation you get a choice of what packages to install. I don't understand the option: "basic ubuntu server" should I select this option as a minimum? [13:04] Depends. What's the server for? [13:05] yonatan: It's kind of like asking "should I install a web server?". We have no way to know. [13:05] ok i'll elaborate [13:06] i'm looking to create a "management" virtual machine that will run Splunk, VMware vCLI and that's pretty much it [13:11] what is installed with the "basic ubuntu server"? is there a way of listing the packages? [13:14]