[00:02] <fader_> Hmm, looks like my mythbackend schema is too old to connect to with the live image's frontend :(
[00:16] <fader_> Is the 'persistent' part of the live test case applicable to mythbuntu?
[06:36] <Daviey> fader|away: that is known, but not a show stopper as you'll see it sanely handle it. :)
[06:36] <Daviey> thanks.
[08:26] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:21] <ara> hey davmor2
[09:22] <davmor2> hi ara
[11:34]  * ara is feeling tired... TGIF
[11:37]  * davmor2 Awww hugs ara and hands her a huge cup of coffee
[11:38]  * ara hugs davmor2 back :)
[11:42] <davmor2> ara: these 71 hour weeks do take a toll ;)
[11:43] <ara> davmor2, indeed :)
[13:54] <fader_> Howdy y'all
[13:59] <Form0_> ohh, managed to boot to kde
[14:54] <davmor2> fader_: morning dude
[14:54] <davmor2> cr3: how's things there
[14:55] <fader_> davmor2: Hey dude
[14:55] <cr3> davmor2: I got a bunch of test results from yesterday, working on a couple more machines this morning
[14:55] <fader_> davmor2: I have a question for you -- is the live CD test for mythbuntu accurate?  I could not get the 'persistent' test case to work
[14:55] <davmor2> fader_: no bad news to day it's friday ;)
[14:55] <fader_> davmor2: I don't trust you :P
[14:55] <cr3> davmor2: apart from a few known problems reported by apport, my only real problem is with the aspire one
[14:56] <davmor2> cr3: AAO what's up?
[14:56] <cr3> fader_: do you happen to be in lexington today?
[14:56] <cr3> davmor2: see bug #432497, I suspect it might be a problem with the hard drive
[14:56] <davmor2> fader_: did you know there is a bug about that ;)
[14:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 432497 in checkbox "Installing Karmic 20090917 on Acer Aspire One freezes on detecting filesystems" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432497
[14:56] <fader_> cr3: I do... trying to track down some hardware that pgraner says is here but nobody else has ever heard of :(
[14:57] <fader_> davmor2: No, I didn't... but I also didn't look for one as my brain was fried and I could barely read at that point ;)
[14:57] <cr3> fader_: if I take responsibility for tracking hardware, I'll ask to expense a whip
[14:57] <fader_> cr3: I'm going to borrow davmor2's axe
[14:57] <davmor2> fader_: iirc it's a kubuntu bug but it will be the same thing I think jtholmes filed it
[14:58] <fader_> davmor2: Okay, cool... I'll try to find that one and keep an eye on it.  I'm glad there's a bug filed though as I don't want to have to go reproduce it now to file one :)
[14:58] <davmor2> my axe, mine, i tell you muhahahahahahaha
[14:58]  * fader_ imagines davmor2 as a bearded dwarf.
[14:59] <davmor2> Too tall for a dwarf think VIKING :)
[15:01] <davmor2> Right kernel buggin' music search
[15:02] <cr3> davmor2: techno viking even!
[15:03] <davmor2> cr3: don't they make memory?
[15:03] <fader_> I bet techno vikings terrorize the skies in their longjets.
[16:08] <davmor2> ogasawara: Okay 64 bit system on faulty nvidia box is up.  next installing the older kernel.  leann is there a magic way of doing this and getting it to show up in grub2?  goes off to google at the same time
[16:10] <ogasawara> davmor2: hrm, it's not listed?
[16:11] <davmor2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/430141
[16:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 430141 in grub2 "No second OS is shown up in grub2" [High,New]
[16:11] <davmor2> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/430940
[16:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 430940 in linux "On my nvidia box the system is running at double speed" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[16:11] <davmor2> even
[16:13] <davmor2> ogasawara: is it just a case of going through and installing all the bits or can I sign into the ppa and grab it that way?
[16:14] <ogasawara> davmor2: unfortuantely I think you'll have to install manually
[16:14] <davmor2> no probs
[16:36] <davmor2> ogasawara: meh linux-headers-2.6.31-8-generic_2.6.31-8.28_amd64.deb doesn't install depends on linux-headers-2.6.31-8
[16:41] <ogasawara> davmor2: hrmph, can you try http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.31-rc8/ instead?
[16:43] <davmor2> fader_, cr3: mine is an AA0 110 with the ssd drive I can test after but one issue at a time guys
[16:44] <fader_> o_O
[16:44] <cr3> davmor2: cool, I'm getting ata errors, so this might be different with your ssd drive
[16:45] <fader_> cr3: Have you decided whether it's a hardware issue or not?
[16:46] <fader_> Because the hdd and ssd should have the same interface... if it's a software problem I'd expect to see it on both
[16:47] <cr3> fader_: I'm still not sure
[16:47] <fader_> Gotcha... useful test then :)
[17:11] <davmor2> ogasawara: Meh not working.  I've burnt a jaunty cd and it's showing up on that to.  So for now leave the bug open I'm going the strip down the box and see if there is a HW fault.  Then I'll try again
[17:12] <ogasawara> davmor2: odd, ok keep me posted.
[17:12] <davmor2> if it works then All is well and I'll close the bug
[17:26] <davmor2> fader_, cr3: I'm assuming that this is UNR your running ?
[17:32] <davmor2> fader_ cr3: right UNR installing (hopefully) I'll get back to you in a bit.
[17:38] <cr3> davmor2: I suspect it won't make much difference in this particular case
[17:38] <davmor2> 51% installed now so no looking back :)
[17:42] <davmor2> 65%
[17:46] <fader_> davmor2: No!!!1!one  It's a trap!  If you use UNR, then existence is meaningless!
[17:46] <fader_> It's the heeeestory eraser button, you fool!
[17:46] <davmor2> 94% :P
[17:47] <davmor2> song: it's the end of the world as we know just dropped into my head :)
[17:47] <fader_> Darn, it doesn't look like YouTube has a clip of the Ren & Stimpy with the history eraser button :(
[17:48] <fader_> (The shiny, candy-like button!)
[17:55] <davmor2> fader_, cr3: looks like it's a HDD only issue guys. booted up everything seem fine here
[17:56] <davmor2> fader_, cr3: any logs worth looking at to double check?
[17:57] <cr3> fader_: whatever you do, don't touch that button
[17:58] <cr3> davmor2: nah, I think I'll wait for some kernel folks to confirm whether it's a hardware problem or compatibility problem
[17:58] <fader_> The beautiful, shiny button?  The jolly, candy-like button?
[17:58] <fader_> Can he resist?
[17:58] <cr3> Will he hold out?
[17:59] <cr3> Can he hold out?
[17:59]  * cr3 steps out for lunch before fader erradicates history at the mere push of a button
[18:00] <davmor2> damn pressed the fscking thing
[18:05] <davmor2> who are you guys and what are you doing on my whatsit
[19:22] <jtholmes> davmor2, do the daylies created on sat and sun have as much input and changes as those spun on mon thru fri
[19:22] <jtholmes> or are they just copies of fri night and just respun
[19:25] <sbeattie> jtholmes: they're built based on the current state of the archive, but the archive probably does change less over the weekend.
[19:25] <jtholmes> sbeattie, that is what i thought since few folks would desire to work  7 days a week thx for the info
[19:30] <jtholmes> sbeattie, while we are on the subject do you kno why kubuntu desktop was not spun for today 9/18   16.2 and 17 are there but 9/18
[19:31] <sbeattie> I suspect the automated build cronjobs were disabled for alpha 6, and will be renabled soon.
[19:31] <sbeattie> (but that's purely a guess)
[19:31] <jtholmes> ok thx sounds right
[19:32] <davmor2> sbeattie: normally restarted for monday.  But might be a bit earlier this time to get some more of the fixes in place
[19:33] <sbeattie> yeah, there's a cryptsetup fix that would be handy to get into isos real soon now.
[19:33] <davmor2> and a wubi, grub2, nfs and .......
[19:34]  * sbeattie grins
[19:34] <jtholmes> davmor2, the initrd on the livecd is initrd.lz  can you tell me what compressor function is used to produce a suffix of  .lz
[19:34] <sbeattie> lzma
[19:35] <jtholmes> sbeattie, ok that was my guess thx
[19:38] <sbeattie> Oh, hawt: "Estimated build start:	in 9 hours"
[19:39] <davmor2> sbeattie: What?
[19:40] <sbeattie> davmor2: oh, just trying to build a zsync backport in my ppa, and checking out how long before it'll get built.
[19:40] <davmor2> cd builds must be on to day then ;)
[19:40] <sbeattie> davmor2: BTW, do you see zsync segfaults when downloading the dvds on hardy - jaunty?
[19:42] <davmor2> sbeattie: just mailed you my cronjob read out
[19:42] <sbeattie> davmor2: kewl, thanks.
[19:43] <davmor2> sbeattie: no probs
[19:44] <davmor2> sbeattie: I have noticed a number of rcksums appearing
[19:44] <davmor2> in iso
[19:44] <sbeattie> hrm, yeah.
[19:44] <davmor2> I've got 9 now
[19:44] <sbeattie> you can kill them.
[19:44] <sbeattie> they're tmp files created by zsync.
[19:44] <davmor2> I just delete them off every now and then
[19:44] <sbeattie> and, yep, it's segv'ing for you.
[19:46] <davmor2> sbeattie: that would be bad if I gave a damn about testing the dvd's but they take far too long ;)
[19:46] <sbeattie> bah, I need to trap for errors when that happens, and move zsync's partial download over so that rsync can make use of it.
[19:47] <sbeattie> davmor2: my bandwidth is so limited that I can't keep the dvd isos up-to-date.
[19:47] <davmor2> sbeattie: is all of hardy now zsyncing then I thought it was all rsynced any way?
[19:48] <davmor2> sbeattie: wounder how come?
[19:49] <davmor2> sbeattie: oh don't worry I forgot your in America land of the free and slowband ;)
[19:50] <sbeattie> davmor2: hardy is not zsync'ing, correct, though I need to verify some behaviors around that situation as well.
[19:50] <davmor2> sbeattie: what do you need dude?
[19:50] <sbeattie> davmor2: well, I *could* have faster bandwidth, but then I wouldn't be allowed to host servers and whatnot.
[19:51] <davmor2> ec2 it's all about the cloud ;)
[19:56] <jtholmes>  davmor2 you also forgot that we are no longer the land of the free, the govt want to take over the running or our lives :(
[19:58] <fader_> sbeattie: What are you hosting that you couldn't host on a faster connection?
[19:59] <davmor2> jtholmes: been like that here for years you get used to it honest,  shhh they told me to say that it suck run, get out while you can ;)
[20:00] <jtholmes> we are going down fighting but the folks we elected in Washington have their own agenda and call us a bunch or radicals that want to bring the govt down
[20:00] <sbeattie> fader_: I host my own email/web blah on a static ip dsl line; switching to faster here means jumping to cabal^H^Hle, which gets mail blocked for sure, and likely web as well.
[20:01] <fader_> sbeattie: Ah, yeah... I thought everybody gave up hosting their own mail once all the big ISPs started blacklisting anything coming from a consumer ISP
[20:01] <fader_> though for the web port 8080 is open everywhere ;)
[20:02] <fader_> sbeattie: Or you could get a host in a DC somewhere and upgrade at home and have the best of both worlds ;)
[20:02] <davmor2> ogasawara: Okay that's weird I got an onboard nvidia gfx card on the box that is playing up.  So I removed the nvidia gfx card and the speed up problem has gone away.
[20:02] <sbeattie> fader_: there's also the fact that I'm a cheapskate. :-)
[20:02] <fader_> Hehe touche.
[20:04] <davmor2> sbeattie: Why would you lose the ability to host a server if you take the other route?
[20:05] <davmor2> ogasawara: I should say I removed the removable pci express gfx card and the problem went away.
[20:06] <davmor2> I'm going to assume there fore that it is an issue with the pci express bus for now and have a hunt online see if there is a bios upgrade
[20:09] <fader_> davmor2: Not sure how it is in the UK, but in the US most ISPs are divided up something like $50/month for a 'home' plan with port 80 and 25 blocked, or $200/month for a 'small business' plan at half the speed but with a static IP and no ports blocked
[20:11] <jtholmes> fader_, i pay about $40 mo. for static AT&T and no ports blocked  about 3mb sec
[20:11] <jtholmes> in the US
[20:11] <fader_> jtholmes: Huh, I thought AT&T blocked port 80
[20:11] <davmor2> fader_: hmmm I pay £35 a month for 20 meg no ports blocked
[20:12] <jtholmes> fader_, no when you have static ip as far as i know
[20:12] <fader_> Meh, I'm happy enough with my 25M FiOS line, despite it being like $60/mo
[20:12] <jtholmes> no=not
[20:12]  * jpds is thankful that his landlord pays his Internet bill.
[20:13] <davmor2> fader_: That what I'm paying for mine now.  However I could upgrade to 50meg
[20:13] <jtholmes> i cant get at&t uverse which is higher speed but not avail in my area yet
[20:14] <fader_> Last time I was unemployed I realized that I'd prefer to not have hot water over not having interwebs... it was a bit of a creepy realization :)
[20:14] <davmor2> by the way you could redirect to dnydns and port switch there to lose the 80 25 restriction but shhh I didn't say that ;)
[20:16] <davmor2> then just use you firewall to port switch back or config your server to a different port.  Come on guys think outside the box ;)
[20:17] <fader_> davmor2: Meh, port 22 isn't blocked for me, which is all I really need.  I'd rather have my webserver on 8080 anyway, as I get a lot less spam in my httpd logs from script kiddies trying to knock over IIS
[20:17] <fader_> (as if that were difficult)
[20:17] <jtholmes> thanks for the port info, i have a hoster for my domain so that is why i dont get involved with that but i have tucked it away for future ref thx
[20:19] <davmor2> fader_: IIS, did you actually have the nerve to say IIS on an open logged channel, that you use the inferior IIS over Ubuntu server ;)
[20:19] <jpds> davmor2: He didn't say he was using IIS?
[20:19] <fader_> davmor2: Whoa, no -- I said that I get a lot of logspam of people blindly looking for IIS servers to zombie
[20:20] <fader_> Generally anything I hang out on the net is on Linux on PPC, just to make sure that if anybody cracks it, they at least know what they're doing
[20:20] <davmor2> fader_: I know that but the thought of the look of panic on your face muhahahahaha
[20:21] <fader_> s/panic/horror and incredulity/
[20:22] <davmor2> fader_: You might want to use a great little tool called denyhosts if you don't already :)
[20:23] <fader_> Nah, it's more fun to read the latest reports on SANS and then count the number of attempts on my box :)
[20:27] <davmor2> fader_: denyhosts emails you to say this twonk failed
[20:27] <davmor2> and then blocks their ip
[20:28] <davmor2> which of course would be bad for you being as you would need to get you username and pass right :P
[20:29] <jtholmes> how could anyone forget their first and last name :)
[20:30] <davmor2> quick everyone hack John holmes box
[20:31] <jtholmes> yeah lets get john holmes he is my cousin i am  jt holmes :)
[20:31] <jtholmes> r u hearing those voices again today!
[20:32] <jtholmes> i'll bet u sharpened your axe last eve
[20:33] <jtholmes> fader_, where is this SANS report i would like to c if folks are trying my box
[20:34] <fader_> jtholmes: SANS is an organization that promotes security and keeps tabs on the net: http://sans.org/
[20:34] <jtholmes> davmor2, is there a test tracking url for the alpha or just for the dailies
[20:34] <jtholmes> fader_, thx
[20:35] <fader_> They're a great resource for security stuff and provide certifications and training classes
[20:35] <jtholmes> good
[20:35] <davmor2> tracker is only for releases
[20:35] <jtholmes> ok
[20:38] <davmor2> jtholmes: if you want somewhere to log daily reports goto https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/DailySmoke
[20:38] <jtholmes> ok saw that kicked around and wondered what it was used for thx
[20:40] <davmor2> jtholmes: just don't keep the page open I need it :)
[20:40] <jtholmes> ok
[21:30] <davmor2> sbeattie: do you have a raw karmic box available?
[21:31] <sbeattie> ultimate raw extreme?
[21:32] <sbeattie> davmor2: if by raw, you mean on raw hardware, yes, I do.
[21:32] <davmor2> sbeattie: No just a fresh install
[21:32] <sbeattie> yeah, I do.
[21:33] <davmor2> sbeattie: can you try the totem youtube plugin.  It pulls in the H.264 codec it needs then say it can't access. If you restart totem and select a clip from youtube then it plays but I get no sound
[21:37] <davmor2> sbeattie: also try playing the clip from examples and see if totem just greys out after playing it please
[21:39] <sbeattie> davmor2: which clip from examples?
[21:40] <davmor2> spirit of ubuntu in the free culture showcase
[21:48] <davmor2> sbeattie: anything?