/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/09/19/#ayatana.txt

mac_vDanRabbit1: ping!08:03
DanRabbit1mac_v: PONG!08:04
tgpraveenis empathy supported by messaging indicator in karmic now?18:17
tgpraveendoes messaging indicator support thunderbird or will it support by final release?18:17
SiDiDanRabbit: i noticed some of the icons i complained about werent in elementary but in gnome / probably in hicolor too x_x18:42
SiDiI feel stupid now18:43
DanRabbitelementary inherits gnome and hicolor ;)18:43
SiDii did remove the inherit lines in my version while i was working on icons :P18:43
SiDiso apparently it inherits gnome by default if no inherit is specified18:43
DanRabbithaha18:43
SiDiAnyway the list is in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Karmic18:44
SiDiit's not very argumented so if you wanna know why we dont like an icon feel free to ping me and ill attempt to explain :p18:44
MDC1mac_v, got any bug for me?19:47
MDC1anyone know why the side pane in eog is disabled?19:52
DanRabbitI was wondering that myself this morning ;)19:52
DanRabbitSiDi: are you using bzr?19:52
MDC1DanRabbit, seems to be the same in jaunty...19:53
DanRabbitMDC1: yea, I'm on jaunty ;)19:53
MDC1ok, then its the same in karmic ;-)19:53
mac_vMDC1 the bug patrol ;p20:05
MDC1hehe.. nothing to do atm...20:05
MDC1(and DBO, i'm not in the mood for packaging yet ;-) .. maybe later if coding does end up well)20:06
MDC1*dosn't20:06
MDC1*doesn't - (*mummmel* maybe i shouldn't code... )20:06
mac_vMDC1: do one thing package DBO's docky and setup a ppa ;) 20:07
MDC1doh!20:07
DanRabbithehe20:08
MDC1I was more thinking of https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=322243 - but only if it involves the GtkInforBar ..20:08
ubot4Gnome bug 322243 in image viewer "eog doesn't ask whether to save changes" [Normal,Assigned] 20:08
MDC1or if someone could specify what apps should have an export to pdf option...20:09
MDC1https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/16429820:09
ubot4Launchpad bug 164298 in ubuntu "Print to file should say "Export to PDF" instead of "Print to PDF"" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 20:09
MDC1DanRabbit, about your close button in nautilus; totem also has one, and so does firefox for history, bookmarks and search - so i don't know why you'd like that removed because it is different .... (?)20:11
DanRabbitah, okay20:11
DanRabbitI accept defeat :)20:11
DanRabbitI just don't like it. it looks funny.20:11
MDC1hehe.. maybe a better icon *hint* ;-)20:12
DanRabbitYea, that could be arranged20:13
DanRabbitAny ideas?20:13
MDC1nope20:13
MDC1i'm just a simple user20:13
MDC1:-D20:14
MDC1hmm.. or how would it a square orange not so bold version look like?20:14
mac_vMDC1: what icon?>20:14
mac_vscreenshot pls :)20:14
MDC1close side pane icon20:14
DanRabbitI don't know20:15
MDC1open nautilus and enable the sidepane20:15
mac_voh20:15
DanRabbitI'm most unhappy with the placement, rather than just the icon itself20:15
DanRabbitit looks silly20:15
DanRabbitlike they didn't know where to put it20:15
MDC1well.. the right corner seems quite standard to me..20:16
MDC1i think it would look strange in the center.. ;)20:16
MDC1mac_v, did you find any bug or is karmic bug free ;-)20:17
DanRabbitI don't know. I just don't like it. it just bugs me20:17
* SiDi uses thunar \o/20:17
DanRabbitIt's okay I can just theme it to dissappear ;)20:18
* mac_v throws SiDi out ;p20:18
* SiDi comes back and pets an XFCE mouse20:18
DanRabbitSiDi: MDC1 is going to make a super kickass nautilus and then you will switch20:18
DanRabbit:D20:18
SiDiDanRabbit: there's little chance :p20:18
DanRabbitSiDi: do you use elementary BZR or just the last release (2.1) ?20:18
mac_vMDC1: i havent checked .. let me find something 20:18
SiDibut they're free to fork thunar's GUI, their users will thank them for that :D20:18
SiDiDanRabbit: i dont use bzr... i didnt even know it was on bzr :x20:18
DanRabbityea try BZR20:19
SiDiokey20:19
DanRabbitthere are a lot of fixes20:19
SiDimight explain why some icons were looking OLD :P20:19
SiDiWhats the bzr please ?20:19
DanRabbitbzr branch lp:elementary icons ~/.icons/elementarybzr20:19
DanRabbitjust use that ;)20:19
MDC1SiDi, does thunar have a toolbar editor?20:19
SiDiMDC1: what for ?20:20
MDC1DanRabbit, don't promise to much ;-)20:20
mac_vlol20:20
DanRabbitMDC1: I have faith ;)20:20
MDC1SiDi, hmm.. every one is happy with the toolbar as is?20:20
MDC1DanRabbit, you'll need it20:21
DanRabbitMDC1: between DBO and Myself, we'll provide sufficient motivation for you20:21
DanRabbit:D20:21
SiDiMDC1: i dont think anyone ever complained about it20:21
SiDiapart from me, but it wasnt about what was inside it, more about what you could do with the buttons20:21
* SiDi wants middle click = new window20:21
mac_vMDC1: thunar is simple as is... nothing to edit ;)20:21
SiDimac_v: there's nothing to change when its working so fine :D20:21
mac_vyeah that too ;)20:22
MDC1point your motivation to the poor nautilus devs i'll flood with hackish code...20:22
DanRabbithehe20:23
DanRabbitThere is like some rule20:23
DanRabbitthat once you become on upstream dev20:24
DanRabbitunless you work on something cool like Do20:24
MDC1SiDi, yeah.. i see it's the perfect filemanager - http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12708707/Screenshot-Desktop%20-%20File%20Manager.png (hehe)20:24
DanRabbityou just die20:24
mac_vMDC1: isnt this a dup? Bug #43255920:24
ubot4Launchpad bug 432559 in nautilus "There is not an obvious way to close the nautilus search " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43255920:24
SiDiMDC1: not thunar's fault if the icon theme devs forget some fixed sized icons =D20:24
SiDihttp://imagebin.ca/img/7L7mfS.png20:26
MDC1SiDi, except for the left aligned text under the icon it looks quite nice20:27
mac_vSiDi: how the hell do you read with the transparencies!20:27
DanRabbitWhat side icons does the sidebar use SiDi?20:27
DanRabbitthey look like hell20:27
mac_vSiDi: oh the terminal is transparent!20:28
MDC1mac_v, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33207820:29
ubot4Gnome bug 332078 in File Search Interface "Search button should be a toggle button" [Minor,New] 20:29
MDC1maybe a dup - just different solutions to the same problem20:29
mac_vmeh , then its a dup , since only one solution is needed ;p20:30
MDC1mac_v, yep - but which one?20:31
mac_vi'll leave that to walton \o/20:31
MDC1yep20:31
MDC1maybe i should look in to the search problem..20:31
* MDC1 goes hacking...20:31
mac_vMDC1: what where you asking about the print to file?20:32
MDC1what apps should have the option20:32
MDC1eg a menuitem under File20:32
mac_vfirefox , 20:33
DanRabbitMDC1: You should do a search entry field for the toolbar ;)20:34
SiDiDanRabbit: is there a changelog since the 2.1 release ?20:34
DanRabbitno, I have to go back and see what I've done20:34
DanRabbitI've almost completely redone mimes20:35
DanRabbitsmaller file size20:35
MDC1DanRabbit, yep - i'd like to get in it in as is first and maybe add a plugin system20:35
DanRabbitmerged a lot of icons in since Humanity, including things like the users icons20:35
mac_vMDC1: i think its all handled buy CUPS , if we fix it that should do it20:35
DanRabbitIt's a HUGE list20:35
MDC1mac_v, nope it's not20:35
DanRabbitmore icons in more sizes20:35
MDC1mac_v, it's the gtk printing system20:36
DanRabbitSiDi: your problems with changing terminal icons are fixed ;)20:36
SiDiDanRabbit: okey :P20:36
MDC1(mac_v, if i'm not completly off)20:36
SiDiDanRabbit: would you also consider icon requests ?20:36
mac_vMDC1: then that needs fixing ;)20:36
DanRabbityea20:36
SiDithe jockey icons for instance use a custom package shape which is just not sexy20:36
DanRabbitno problem20:36
DanRabbitit's best to file a bug20:36
SiDinot to mention the jockey enabled / disabled icons have always been not-sexy20:36
DanRabbitbut you could add it to your wii20:36
SiDii'll do it right now20:36
DanRabbitwiki*20:36
MDC1mac_v, no - it's not a problem with it, gtk printing adds the framework to let you print and to print to file. What I thought we'd like was a File -> Export as PDF option20:37
mac_vMDC1: ah! that would need to be fixed in several apps! , rather fixing gtk printing is easier20:38
mac_vwhich diaglue it this>20:39
mac_voops!20:39
MDC1mac_v, how would fixing the dialog add an option to File menu?20:39
mac_vwhy add the option to the menu?20:39
MDC1isn't that what we want because "I want to get this document as a PDF file - i'll head over to the print option" isn't obvious?20:41
mac_vMDC1: if we fix this we are done , http://imagebin.ca/view/SehnrwB.html20:41
MDC1fix to what?20:42
mac_vMDC1: just change the "print to file" to "export to"20:42
mac_v"Export to..."20:42
mac_vrather  "Export as..."20:43
MDC1hmmm... the "Export to..."-printer in the printer list?20:43
mac_vyeah that whole column is messed up! argh!20:44
SiDiDanRabbit: i'll file bugs for those that dont really concern xubuntu specifically20:44
DanRabbitSiDi: it's okay to file bugs for all20:44
DanRabbita bug is a bug ;)20:44
SiDiDanRabbit: i shall not file a bug asking to replace the start-here by a xubuntu logo ? :D20:45
mac_vMDC1: ideally ... move the option away from the table/column and move it to the location below as a check box20:45
MDC1mac_v, i don't think we accomplished anything if we just change the name in list. I think the problem is that finding exporting to PDF is hard to find because it hides in the print part of the program and not in the save / export dialog20:45
DanRabbitoh lol20:45
DanRabbitwell20:45
DanRabbit:D20:45
MDC1mac_v, it's still the _print_ dialog we're talking about..20:46
mac_vMDC1: yup.. bug fixing as you say needs to be done in *several* apps , which atm is not feasible or ideal20:47
mac_vbut*20:47
MDC1mac_v, Having a print to pdf file embedded in all apps that uses gtk printing infrastructure is great but and could be a backup for lazy programmers. But I do think it should be an option in the menu.. prefferrable "Export..." and then pick the format "pdf, ps, svg" (today) and maybe odt, png whatever in the future..20:48
mac_vif we remove that option it messes up *all* the apps which use print20:48
MDC1mac_v, why not fix the apps? it's not that every app needs an export option - just the ones it makes sense to have one..20:49
SiDihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/elementaryicons/+bug/433223 DanRabbit 20:49
mac_vMDC1: i totally agree regarding that , :)20:49
ubot4Launchpad bug 433223 in elementaryicons "Please make some icons for jockey" [Undecided,New] 20:49
mac_vMDC1: but the devs have to agree :)20:49
MDC1if you really really really need to export from eg the calculator you could use the print (not that it exists, but i think you get the point ;-) )20:49
MDC1mac_v, that's always a problem20:50
DanRabbitSiDi: is there a deb for IconLibrary??20:50
SiDiDanRabbit: i dont think there is20:50
SiDiand it needs some hacking, too20:50
DanRabbitOMG, I want it20:50
SiDiits lp:icon-library20:50
SiDiit definately needs column sorting...20:50
MDC1we already have a Open, Save, Save As, recent files, Print, Exit as "standard" in the File menu. Adding Export... just fits perfectly ;-)20:51
mac_vMDC1: that bug you have shown is a papercut , asking for a simple solution... ideally i would invalidate that bug and would like to do it as you mention...  but we need a separate bug for that :)20:51
MDC1mac_v, so we agreed at last? :-D20:52
mac_vMDC1: i wanted to invalidate it the moment i saw it![months ago]... but i havent coufirmed or assigned it ;)20:53
mac_vconfirmed*20:53
MDC1here's your chance!20:53
mac_vMDC1: i dont invalidate other papercutter's bug ;)20:53
mac_vif i did that  , i would have to go on a rampage20:54
MDC1mac_v, haha!20:54
DanRabbitSiDi: I wonder why it only shows 3 sizes :p20:55
mac_vMDC1: so.. for now... could you just fix that dialogue  :)20:55
MDC1mac_v, pick an app (besides firefox) that needs a export option and i'll create a patch20:55
MDC1mac_v, nope :-)20:55
mac_v;p20:55
SiDiDanRabbit: i dont know either20:56
mac_vMDC1: EOG... the list is too big... almost every app , i'm feeling sleepy now :(20:56
MDC1mac_v, seriously, i don't think the gtk devs will ever do the change..20:56
DanRabbitSiDi: it looks like it's 16px, 24px and 32px20:56
MDC1mac_v, just one is enough for now20:56
SiDiyeh20:56
SiDithe most common ratios, DanRabbit 20:56
MDC1mac_v, should i go for eog?20:56
mac_vwhy not :)20:57
MDC1eog it is20:57
DanRabbitSiDi: arguably. 48px is pretty common as well.20:57
MDC1mac_v, maybe you should get some sleep then ;-)20:57
DanRabbithehe, I'm missing a lot of 32px icons...20:57
SiDiDanRabbit: yes but it takes more room in the gui ? :P20:58
SiDiask icon-library's author ^^ i dont know why its like that20:58
DanRabbitYea, they should put all available sizes20:58
mac_vSiDi: icon library is messed up..20:58
DanRabbitelementary has up to 64px in some cases20:59
mac_visnt always right20:59
SiDimac_v: with some few more stuff i think it could be interesting20:59
SiDibut yeh i noticed it forgets icons, adds some, etc20:59
mac_vSiDi: yeah , i spoke to the author , he intends to clean it up soon :)20:59
SiDioh great20:59
DanRabbityay20:59
DanRabbitwow, there's a lot of icons I didn't even know existed..21:00
mac_vyeah21:00
SiDi:p21:00
DanRabbithaha, the terminal icons are really bad, huh?21:01
SiDisome are21:02
DanRabbitDamnit, SiDi21:02
DanRabbityou make my icons look like crap21:03
DanRabbit:D21:03
SiDithe 'Terminal' icon isnt beautiful21:03
SiDiand the REAL name of xfce4-terminal is Terminal :P21:03
SiDibut the name was stolen from terminal.app in Ubuntu21:03
DanRabbit48px icon is really nice21:03
DanRabbitothers are not so nce.21:03
SiDilp 43323821:03
DanRabbitnice*21:03
ubot4Launchpad bug 433238 in elementaryicons "Please make a mail-mark-junk icon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43323821:03
SiDielementarybzr/apps/48/utilities-terminal.svg ?21:04
DanRabbityea21:04
SiDii'd like something like breathe21:05
SiDibut without the glossy side21:05
DanRabbitLOL, i like how it uses the DVD -R icon for no reason for gnome-cd21:05
SiDii dont like terminal icons with an HUGE > or $21:05
DanRabbit:/21:05
SiDiDanRabbit: yeh... 21:05
SiDiooh the ACTUAL icon doesnt have the DVD label21:05
DanRabbitThere is a 48px gnome-cd icon supplied21:05
DanRabbitno21:05
DanRabbitlol21:05
SiDisee, my list contains some weirdness due to icon library21:05
SiDi...21:06
DanRabbityea21:06
SiDii'm so sorry :X21:06
DanRabbit:D21:06
DanRabbitit's all good21:06
SiDiWell, i feel stupid, cause most of the icons i whined about were actually allright21:06
DanRabbitI thought you had inserted a DVD21:06
DanRabbitand then saw that and assumed there were no other icons ;)21:06
SiDihow does openofficeorg3-draw render for you ?21:06
DanRabbitI don't know, hold on21:07
DanRabbitit's the standard blue orb with the paintbrush21:07
DanRabbitlooks clean, but not elementary style :021:07
SiDimine looks really bad and pixelated21:08
SiDiexcept at 48x4821:08
DanRabbithmm21:08
DanRabbitweird21:08
DanRabbitI've got all sizes21:08
DanRabbit:/21:08
DanRabbitwhy use Draw21:08
DanRabbituse inkscape21:08
DanRabbitmuch better21:08
SiDiand really, you should either make all the ooo icons or not make any :P21:08
DanRabbitooo is a piece of poop21:08
SiDii use inkscape, lol21:08
DanRabbitI just did the standard ones for Ubuntu21:09
SiDibut draw math and printeradmin do have weird icons21:09
DanRabbitpresent, calc, and writer21:09
SiDiooo-template how does it look like compared to ooo-math ?21:09
DanRabbitlet me check21:10
SiDihttp://img38.imageshack.us/i/capture40.png/21:10
DanRabbitOH21:10
DanRabbityou have those icons21:10
DanRabbitI have the tango icons ;)21:10
DanRabbiti guess we're using a different package.21:10
SiDii got the gnome icons as fallback as far as i know21:11
SiDii use the bzr branch.. :X21:12
DanRabbitSiDi: It's showing up weird in Icon Library21:13
DanRabbitbut it shows up okay in reality21:13
SiDiDanRabbit: i do get the standard icons if i use notify-osd -i21:15
SiDii'd prefer some elementary like icons21:15
DanRabbithmm21:15
DanRabbitI think it's a symlink error21:15
DanRabbitI don't particularly endorse OOO....21:15
DanRabbitbut we'll see what happens21:15
DanRabbitfile a bug, and if I have some spare time, I'll think about it.21:16
SiDi(we dont use ooo in xubuntu so its not a big issue for us, but its just a shame to have those oldish icons showing up)21:20
MDC1mac_v, still awake?21:21
* SiDi kicks mac_v 's dead body21:21
SiDinope, he's not :/21:21
MDC1good for him21:22
SiDiHe went out of mem, he bsod'd21:22
MDC1:-)21:22
DanRabbitlol21:22
SiDiits because he couldnt stop storing in his ram all the stupid things i write..21:23
* DanRabbit is going to eat lunch and then come back and fix some of those icons21:23
* MDC1 has just found out the nautilus search is a broken piece of shit...21:24
SiDiMDC1: xubuntu.com/get21:28
MDC1SiDi, no21:29
SiDixubuntu.org/get then ?21:30
MDC1hehe21:31
SiDiDanRabbit: what do you have in 32 bits for video-x-generic ?21:55
SiDiit seems to point to test-x-generic21:55
SiDitest-x-preview sorry21:55
DanRabbitSiDi: Yea, I've not really begun 32px mimes yet22:02
DanRabbitthere actually isn't a whole lot of 32px icons in elementary at all :D22:02
DanRabbitIt's a work in progress.22:02
SiDiokies22:03
SiDiDo you think the mime 32px symlinks can be done a few days before the 2nd artwork freeze ? :P22:04
SiDiso we still have time to package that in xubuntu-artwork22:04
DanRabbitLOL22:05
DanRabbitno22:05
DanRabbitsymlinks??22:06
DanRabbitit's not just symlinks22:06
DanRabbitI still have to draw all of them22:06
DanRabbitunless someone can help me scale, there's no way in hell22:06
DanRabbitFor now, displaying the plain mime is the cleanest we're going to get for 32px icons22:08
SiDii see22:11
SiDibbhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Karmic#Icon%20theme DanRabbit slightly shorter list22:27
SiDii removed the icons that were not actually coming from elementary22:27
SiDiDanRabbit:  ^ 22:28
* SiDi failed in his paste !)22:28
DanRabbitokay give me a second22:28
DanRabbitOh, thanks for the bug links :D22:29
SiDi:p22:31
DanRabbitSiDi_: I scaled the video mime just for you23:10
SiDi_Wee :D23:11
SiDi_<323:11
DanRabbitI'll push to bzr23:12
DanRabbitokay boom pushed23:13
DanRabbitnow I have to go to work :D23:13
SiDi_Thanks again23:16
SiDi_(btw how did it end for your work ? did your car get repaired ?)23:16
DanRabbitYes, I updated my blog, I have to go update my gnome-look post23:16
DanRabbitI was able to raise enough money to where I bought the parts and did it myself ;)23:17
DanRabbitSo far my car has not exploded, so I think I did a good job.23:17
SiDi_hehe great23:18
DanRabbitthey made it look easy on YouTube23:20
DanRabbitbut, I'm no mechanic, it took me all day :S23:21
DanRabbitokay really g2g23:24
DanRabbitbye all23:24

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