[00:01] indicator plasmoid is busted [00:02] here, too [00:04] JontheEchidna: should really read the scroolback :) hahah [00:04] thats so hours ago [00:04] hah [00:04] heh, I saw the kmail bustage bit. didn't catch the plasmoid breakage part [00:05] ya.. [00:05] needs libindicate-qt.so.1 I guess [00:05] like kmail [00:06] dunno if a simple rebuild would fix [00:11] Anyone in France that can go wake up agateau and ask him? [00:11] apachelogger: so does that mean we no longer need a separate package? [00:23] * shtylman wonders how much a job with canonical as a ubuntu developer pays... [00:33] a little bird told me "not enough" [00:33] haha [00:33] seriously... I spoke with someone in the know :) [00:33] I was considering it myself... [00:34] I just saw the ad evan posted and was curious... [00:34] I guess "not enough" depends on who you are [00:34] got a link? [00:34] or where you live [00:34] lol [00:34] true [00:34] http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_UFD/ [00:34] In Canada it prob wouldn't be enough... [00:34] need to pay for earmuffs [00:35] haha [00:36] obviously it will be 5 figures... but im curious about which ballpark..I wonder if it varies by region..im sure it does... [00:36] If I could get my Portuguese citizenship, I'd move there and work [00:36] haha [00:37] :) [00:37] shtylman: prob 30-40K [00:37] that would be my guess as well [00:37] If it was 60+ I'd think about it [00:38] bit under industry average.. [00:38] 60+ maybe once they have steady revenue... [00:38] developers are a big commodity now [00:38] not good ones though... [00:38] depends what you need done [00:39] true [00:39] im sure they are still working on how to have steady money from the distro [00:39] while staying true to being free for regular users [00:39] for sure... [00:40] give me stock + salary and we can start a discussion :) [00:40] Linux for human beings (no prawns). and it powers the South African space program [00:40] heh [00:40] hahahahhaha [00:40] wow...nice reference... [00:40] there would be a circle of people standing around a no prawns sign [00:41] heh [00:46] * JontheEchidna misses the Ubuntu Top Uploaders page :( [00:47] * shtylman wonders when UDS location will be released... [00:49] JontheEchidna: Me too. [00:53] huh, I uploaded a translation template? [00:56] every time you updates a KDE package in main, yes [00:57] *update [00:58] I send all of my rosetta email to the trash [00:59] here comes some more now [01:02] * neversfelde creates a new filter [01:04] <3 filters [01:04] the MIR for ebook-tools is on it's way, we'll see if it will get in for karmic, if not, Karmic+1 [01:09] JontheEchidna: how long ya been a contributor? [01:10] since june '08 or so [01:10] cool [01:10] did you contribute elsewhere before that? or just started with kubuntu? [01:10] just started out with kubuntu [01:10] nice [01:11] ah, is this universe-contributor team still active? [01:11] noticed it two days agon, never heard of it before [01:11] -n [01:14] Universe Contributing Developers are still around, yes [01:14] ok, than I will try to join it [01:15] although I do not know what it is for [01:15] :) [01:15] * jussi01_ waves [01:15] hi jussi01_ [01:15] already on karmic? [01:16] Nope, currently moving house. [01:16] nvidia bug is solved [01:16] No net except on the iphone.... [01:17] Comes on monday [01:17] thats fast, here you probably have to wait 6 weeks [01:18] Heh, that would suck [01:19] This is kinda annoying, its3 am, ive just driven ~600km and i cant sleep... [01:21] oh, it is a public team [01:22] jussi01_: where did you move? [01:22] neversfelde: Across town :D [01:22] 600 km? That is really a big town :) [01:23] neversfelde: I moved in with my girlfriend, her house was 600km away... [01:24] *g* [01:25] Anyway, time to try get som sleep... [01:25] gn8 [01:25] Nini [01:26] launchpad is weird, sthe team is public, but new members can only be added by admins :) [01:28] nhandler, nixternal: do I have to go to a motu-council meeting to join ubuntu-universe-contributors in launchpad? [01:54] ouch. konversation and quassel are broken in karmic? [01:54] (back to irssi :)) [01:54] quassel is working good here [01:55] NamShub: what is the problem? [01:56] neversfelde: quassel hangs at startup. konversation does not start. output = libindicate-qt.so.0 error [01:57] rather, quassel connects but then i can not resize the main window [01:57] k3b since to suffer the same problem so I guess its local [01:57] anyway I was not complaining or anything, just hadn't used irssi for a long time :D [01:58] NamShub: that is a known error for kmail and the indicator plasma widget, should be resolved there with latest updates, I guess quassel and konvi will follow soon [01:58] hehe [01:59] correction, indictor applet is not fixed atm [02:32] neversfelde: The ~universe-contributors team is simply a way for users who are active in the development community to gain Ubuntu membership. There is no reason for you to join [02:35] nhandler: ah ok, thanks. Thought it is a prestage for joining the motu team. [02:37] neversfelde: Nope. We do not even evaluate users on their technical skills/knowledge when they apply for ~universe-contributors. We simply look out contributions to the community and interactions with other members (just like normal membership) [03:05] Any core-devs around who would be able to sponsor bug 432863? [03:05] Launchpad bug 432863 in phonon "New changes from Debian require merging (phonon 4.3.1-4)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432863 [03:07] If it starts to look like the archive reorg ain't going to happen any time soon next cycle, I'm definitely applying for core-dev [04:12] neversfelde: If you are already a Kubuntu Member, there's no real reason to apply for UCD. UCD is a way to become an Ubuntu Member via MOTU Council and involvement in general development. [04:14] JontheEchidna: It's actually happening slowly and invisibly. It's actually package sets for the reorg'ed archive and not Main/Universe defining upload rights in LP right now. It just happens that the package sets currently add up to the same thing. [04:15] interesting [04:15] See the last tech board meeting for details. [05:02] * ScottK decides to reinvent the netbook build system and package organization. [05:03] What we have now is working way to well. === happyaron is now known as happyaron|afk [08:51] buh, my picture is gone in the new launchpad layout :( === happyaron|afk is now known as happyaron [10:26] wiki.kubuntu.org does not like opera 10. Only elements in upper right are shown. :) === happyaron is now known as happyaron|afk === happyaron|afk is now known as happyaron [13:34] shtylman: we do, but the primary use would to share artwork anyway [13:35] there certainly could be a default qss inside the package, but for the better part of implementations it probably makes a whole lot more sense to just reimplement the qss to archive ultimate flexibility and stuff [13:36] in either case, the artwork is worth sharing at any rate since the background image is quite bigish [15:58] Riddelll: no word on the exception yet [16:21] * apachelogger v0.3 of his synergy plasmoid :) [16:21] +released I suppose [16:21] * apachelogger cant type when music is too loud [16:40] Does Konversation enable sender coloring (different colors for each nick) by default? [17:20] apachelogger: I need some of your genius. [17:21] not for sale [17:23] apachelogger: OK. How about if you just use it to figure out my problem with the new netbook update? [17:23] depends on the size of that problem [17:23] uh oh, I am updating my netbook now [17:23] what is the problem ScottK ? [17:24] nixternal: What's in the archive is fine [17:24] * apachelogger needs to rest since he got to work tomorrow [17:24] I talked to notmart yesterday about updating from trunk in workspace. [17:24] There are some new bits in kdelibs/plasma and workspace/plamsa that it needs to work. [17:25] They are all pretty self-contained, so it should be doable. [17:25] So I have the files, a basic layout and at least a chunk of the needed cmake done [17:25] So now it needs someone who knows a bit of C++ to make adjustments so the needed bits can be found. [17:26] * ScottK got as far as he could with no C++ and just trying to plow through. [17:26] apachelogger, nixternal, JontheEchidna? Any of you that could help with that? [17:27] They've done some really cool stuff since it moved into workspace and I'd like to see if we can get it in. [17:27] * apachelogger can't since it sounds like more work than he could do in about an hour of time [17:27] :9 [17:27] :( even [17:28] apachelogger: I predict you could get it done or close in that time. I don't think it's at all hard if you actually know what you are doing. [17:28] This doesn't apply to me in this area. [17:29] still need to compile and stuff, and my net is pretty sluggish today, so that would take ages [17:29] oh [17:30] today it looks like I might be out, but maybe later possibly...I have some things to do here in a few, and won't be back until later this afternoon at the earliest [17:33] neversfelde: mp3 is a free to use license, but a patented algorithm [17:33] very much comparable to mono [17:34] so license != patent, don't mix those up [17:35] Mamarok: Is the patent actively enforced? [17:36] apachelogger, nixternal, JontheEchidna, whoever: I tossed it on revu if you get motivated to have a look. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-netbook [17:36] ScottK: ask the FSFE, they know more about, but it is the main reason why Canonical doesn't ship the package by default [17:37] Then it probably is actively enforced as that's a key point in the patent policy. [17:37] Ah, I see now, you're discussing mp3 in general, got it. [17:37] ScottK: yes, that's what is all about [17:38] so it might well be in main as the license is free, but with a patented algorithm [17:38] and it can cause problems in some countries where software patents are legal [17:38] like the US [17:39] Yep [17:57] Mamarok: I never doubt that :) [17:58] Mamarok: and there is a strong relationship between a patent and a license [17:58] ok then, I was just a bit puzzled by your answer in that bugreport [17:58] not exactly, no [17:59] the patent holder would love to make you believe that, sa they do for mixing up license and copyrights, and a patent is a copyright issue more than a license [18:00] I think it goes a little bit far to discuss that because of a bug report :) [18:26] ScottK: I tried to fiddle with you uploaded files, but compile breaks. It includes files from plasma trunk ... [18:26] ScottK: ... so I give up. I'm OK with C++, but never hacked on KDE before :-/ [18:27] orionas: OK. Thanks. What I need is someone, I guess, who knows both. [18:27] The plasma files are said to be self-contained, so it ought to be possible to include them properly [18:28] If I changed the includes to "../whatever/whatever.h" then it would find the header, but have other problems later. [18:29] Yes, there are the *cpp files, too. [18:30] A backport to current plasma from trunk would be required [18:30] As I understand ... [18:34] I was hoping to get away with just bits of it. [18:35] Hmmm [18:35] Maybe just hack that bit out as it's not that critical. [18:35] The references in the code to the new plasma are only in two files [19:36] OK, now I'm reasonably certain I was approaching it wrong. [19:37] * ScottK tries again [21:15] Did agateau or anyone else get a chance to look at the indicator display applet? [21:42] ScottK: yes, sender nick coloration is on by default in Konversation [21:42] JontheEchidna: Thanks. I'm thinking we should perhaps default it on in Quassel too. [21:42] it would definitely help readability [21:43] that and the fact that Quassel wastes so much space with date and nick columns are my main peeves against it [21:46] You can adjust those. [21:49] yeah, but it's always a fixed width [21:49] which means you must either always waste space or not be able to read a person's nick [21:50] Right. [23:28] Riddell: if we patched krandrtray to start up as hidden in the system tray, would you be against having it start by default to solve bug 268434? [23:28] Launchpad bug 268434 in kdebase "Screen Resolution is not being restored after relogin" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/268434 [23:28] (we can do this now thanks to KNotificationItem)