[00:01] <JontheEchidna> indicator plasmoid is busted
[00:02] <neversfelde> here, too
[00:04] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: should really read the scroolback :) hahah
[00:04] <rgreening> thats so hours ago
[00:04] <rgreening> hah
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> heh, I saw the kmail bustage bit. didn't catch the plasmoid breakage part
[00:05] <rgreening> ya..
[00:05] <rgreening> needs libindicate-qt.so.1 I guess
[00:05] <rgreening> like kmail
[00:06] <rgreening> dunno if a simple rebuild would fix
[00:11] <ScottK> Anyone in France that can go wake up agateau and ask him?
[00:11] <shtylman> apachelogger: so does that mean we no longer need a separate package?
[00:23]  * shtylman wonders how much a job with canonical as a ubuntu developer pays...
[00:33] <rgreening> a little bird told me "not enough"
[00:33] <shtylman> haha
[00:33] <rgreening> seriously... I spoke with someone in the know :)
[00:33] <rgreening> I was considering it myself...
[00:34] <shtylman> I just saw the ad evan posted and was curious...
[00:34] <shtylman> I guess "not enough" depends on who you are
[00:34] <rgreening> got a link?
[00:34] <shtylman> or where you live
[00:34] <rgreening> lol
[00:34] <rgreening> true
[00:34] <shtylman> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_UFD/
[00:34] <rgreening> In Canada it prob wouldn't be enough...
[00:34] <rgreening> need to pay for earmuffs
[00:35] <shtylman> haha
[00:36] <shtylman> obviously it will be 5 figures... but im curious about which ballpark..I wonder if it varies by region..im sure it does...
[00:36] <rgreening> If I could get my Portuguese citizenship, I'd move there and work
[00:36] <shtylman> haha
[00:37] <rgreening> :)
[00:37] <rgreening> shtylman: prob 30-40K
[00:37] <shtylman> that would be my guess as well
[00:37] <rgreening> If it was 60+ I'd think about it
[00:38] <shtylman> bit under industry average..
[00:38] <shtylman> 60+ maybe once they have steady revenue...
[00:38] <rgreening> developers are a big commodity now
[00:38] <shtylman> not good ones though...
[00:38] <shtylman> depends what you need done
[00:39] <rgreening> true
[00:39] <shtylman> im sure they are still working on how to have steady money from the distro
[00:39] <shtylman> while staying true to being free for regular users
[00:39] <rgreening> for sure...
[00:40] <rgreening> give me stock + salary and we can start a discussion :)
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> Linux for human beings (no prawns). and it powers the South African space program
[00:40] <shtylman> heh
[00:40] <shtylman> hahahahhaha
[00:40] <shtylman> wow...nice reference...
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> there would be a circle of people standing around a no prawns sign
[00:41] <shtylman> heh
[00:46]  * JontheEchidna misses the Ubuntu Top Uploaders page :(
[00:47]  * shtylman wonders when UDS location will be released...
[00:49] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Me too.
[00:53] <neversfelde> huh, I uploaded a translation template?
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> every time you updates a KDE package in main, yes
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> *update
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> I send all of my rosetta email to the trash
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> here comes some more now
[01:02]  * neversfelde creates a new filter
[01:04] <JontheEchidna> <3 filters
[01:04] <neversfelde> the MIR for ebook-tools is on it's way, we'll see if it will get in for karmic, if not, Karmic+1
[01:09] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: how long ya been a contributor?
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> since june '08 or so
[01:10] <shtylman> cool
[01:10] <shtylman> did you contribute elsewhere before that? or just started with kubuntu?
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> just started out with kubuntu
[01:10] <shtylman> nice
[01:11] <neversfelde> ah, is this universe-contributor team still active?
[01:11] <neversfelde> noticed it two days agon, never heard of it before
[01:11] <neversfelde> -n
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> Universe Contributing Developers are still around, yes
[01:14] <neversfelde> ok, than I will try to join it
[01:15] <neversfelde> although I do not know what it is for
[01:15] <neversfelde> :)
[01:15]  * jussi01_ waves
[01:15] <neversfelde> hi jussi01_
[01:15] <neversfelde> already on karmic?
[01:16] <jussi01_> Nope, currently moving house.
[01:16] <neversfelde> nvidia bug is solved
[01:16] <jussi01_> No net except on the iphone....
[01:17] <jussi01_> Comes on monday
[01:17] <neversfelde> thats fast, here you probably have to wait 6 weeks
[01:18] <jussi01_> Heh, that would suck
[01:19] <jussi01_> This is kinda annoying, its3 am, ive just driven ~600km and i cant sleep...
[01:21] <neversfelde> oh, it is a public team
[01:22] <neversfelde> jussi01_: where did you move?
[01:22] <jussi01_> neversfelde: Across town :D
[01:22] <neversfelde> 600 km? That is really a big town :)
[01:23] <jussi01_> neversfelde: I moved in with my girlfriend, her house was 600km away...
[01:24] <jussi01_> *g*
[01:25] <jussi01_> Anyway, time to try get som sleep...
[01:25] <neversfelde> gn8
[01:25] <jussi01_> Nini
[01:26] <neversfelde> launchpad is weird, sthe team is public, but new members can only be added by admins :)
[01:28] <neversfelde> nhandler, nixternal: do I have to go to a motu-council meeting to join ubuntu-universe-contributors in launchpad?
[01:54] <NamShub> ouch. konversation and quassel are broken in karmic?
[01:54] <NamShub> (back to irssi :))
[01:54] <neversfelde> quassel is working good here
[01:55] <neversfelde> NamShub: what is the problem?
[01:56] <NamShub> neversfelde: quassel hangs at startup. konversation does not start. output = libindicate-qt.so.0 error
[01:57] <NamShub> rather, quassel connects but then i can not resize the main window
[01:57] <NamShub> k3b since to suffer the same problem so I guess its local
[01:57] <NamShub> anyway I was not complaining or anything, just hadn't used irssi for a long time :D
[01:58] <neversfelde> NamShub: that is a known error for kmail and the indicator plasma widget, should be resolved there with latest updates, I guess quassel and konvi will follow soon
[01:58] <neversfelde> hehe
[01:59] <neversfelde> correction, indictor applet is not fixed atm
[02:32] <nhandler> neversfelde: The ~universe-contributors team is simply a way for users who are active in the development community to gain Ubuntu membership. There is no reason for you to join
[02:35] <neversfelde> nhandler: ah ok, thanks. Thought it is a prestage for joining the motu team.
[02:37] <nhandler> neversfelde: Nope. We do not even evaluate users on their technical skills/knowledge when they apply for ~universe-contributors. We simply look out contributions to the community and interactions with other members (just like normal membership)
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> Any core-devs around who would be able to sponsor bug 432863?
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> If it starts to look like the archive reorg ain't going to happen any time soon next cycle, I'm definitely applying for core-dev
[04:12] <ScottK> neversfelde: If you are already a Kubuntu Member, there's no real reason to apply for UCD.  UCD is a way to become an Ubuntu Member via MOTU Council and involvement in general development.
[04:14] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It's actually happening slowly and invisibly.  It's actually package sets for the reorg'ed archive and not Main/Universe defining upload rights in LP right now.  It just happens that the package sets currently add up to the same thing.
[04:15] <JontheEchidna> interesting
[04:15] <ScottK> See the last tech board meeting for details.
[05:02]  * ScottK decides to reinvent the netbook build system and package organization.
[05:03] <ScottK> What we have now is working way to well.
[08:51] <Mamarok> buh, my picture is gone in the new launchpad layout :(
[10:26] <allee-k> wiki.kubuntu.org does not like opera 10.  Only elements in upper right are shown. :)
[13:34] <apachelogger> shtylman: we do, but the primary use would to share artwork anyway
[13:35] <apachelogger> there certainly could be a default qss inside the package, but for the better part of implementations it probably makes a whole lot more sense to just reimplement the qss to archive ultimate flexibility and stuff
[13:36] <apachelogger> in either case, the artwork is worth sharing at any rate since the background image is quite bigish
[15:58] <jefferai> Riddelll: no word on the exception yet
[16:21]  * apachelogger v0.3 of his synergy plasmoid :)
[16:21] <apachelogger> +released I suppose
[16:21]  * apachelogger cant type when music is too loud
[16:40] <ScottK> Does Konversation enable sender coloring (different colors for each nick) by default?
[17:20] <ScottK> apachelogger: I need some of your genius.
[17:21] <apachelogger> not for sale
[17:23] <ScottK> apachelogger: OK.  How about if you just use it to figure out my problem with the new netbook update?
[17:23] <apachelogger> depends on the size of that problem
[17:23] <nixternal> uh oh, I am updating my netbook now
[17:23] <nixternal> what is the problem ScottK ?
[17:24] <ScottK> nixternal: What's in the archive is fine
[17:24]  * apachelogger needs to rest since he got to work tomorrow
[17:24] <ScottK> I talked to notmart yesterday about updating from trunk in workspace.
[17:24] <ScottK> There are some new bits in kdelibs/plasma and workspace/plamsa that it needs to work.
[17:25] <ScottK> They are all pretty self-contained, so it should be doable.
[17:25] <ScottK> So I have the files, a basic layout and at least a chunk of the needed cmake done
[17:25] <ScottK> So now it needs someone who knows a bit of C++ to make adjustments so the needed bits can be found.
[17:26]  * ScottK got as far as he could with no C++ and just trying to plow through.
[17:26] <ScottK> apachelogger, nixternal, JontheEchidna?  Any of you that could help with that?
[17:27] <ScottK> They've done some really cool stuff since it moved into workspace and I'd like to see if we can get it in.
[17:27]  * apachelogger can't since it sounds like more work than he could do in about an hour of time
[17:27] <ScottK> :9
[17:27] <ScottK> :( even
[17:28] <ScottK> apachelogger: I predict you could get it done or close in that time.  I don't think it's at all hard if you actually know what you are doing.
[17:28] <ScottK> This doesn't apply to me in this area.
[17:29] <apachelogger> still need to compile and stuff, and my net is pretty sluggish today, so that would take ages
[17:29] <ScottK> oh
[17:30] <nixternal> today it looks like I might be out, but maybe later possibly...I have some things to do here in a few, and won't be back until later this afternoon at the earliest
[17:33] <Mamarok> neversfelde: mp3 is a free to use license, but a patented algorithm
[17:33] <Mamarok> very much comparable to mono
[17:34] <Mamarok> so license != patent, don't mix those up
[17:35] <ScottK> Mamarok: Is the patent actively enforced?
[17:36] <ScottK> apachelogger, nixternal, JontheEchidna, whoever: I tossed it on revu if you get motivated to have a look. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-netbook
[17:36] <Mamarok> ScottK: ask the FSFE, they know more about, but it is the main reason why Canonical doesn't ship the package by default
[17:37] <ScottK> Then it probably is actively enforced as that's a key point in the patent policy.
[17:37] <ScottK> Ah, I see now, you're discussing mp3 in general, got it.
[17:37] <Mamarok> ScottK: yes, that's what is all about
[17:38] <Mamarok> so it might well be in main as the license is free, but with a patented algorithm
[17:38] <Mamarok> and it can cause problems in some countries where software patents are legal
[17:38] <Mamarok> like the US
[17:39] <ScottK> Yep
[17:57] <neversfelde> Mamarok: I never doubt that :)
[17:58] <neversfelde> Mamarok: and there is a strong relationship between a patent and a license
[17:58] <Mamarok> ok then, I was just a bit puzzled by your answer in that bugreport
[17:58] <Mamarok> not exactly, no
[17:59] <Mamarok> the patent holder would love to make you believe that, sa they do for mixing up license and copyrights, and a patent is a copyright issue more than a license
[18:00] <neversfelde> I think it goes a little bit far to discuss that because of a bug report :)
[18:26] <orionas> ScottK: I tried to fiddle with you uploaded files, but compile breaks. It includes files from plasma trunk ...
[18:26] <orionas> ScottK: ... so I give up. I'm OK with C++, but never hacked on KDE before :-/
[18:27] <ScottK> orionas: OK.  Thanks.  What I need is someone, I guess, who knows both.
[18:27] <ScottK> The plasma files are said to be self-contained, so it ought to be possible to include them properly
[18:28] <ScottK> If I changed the includes to "../whatever/whatever.h" then it would find the header, but have other problems later.
[18:29] <orionas> Yes, there are the *cpp files, too.
[18:30] <orionas> A backport to current plasma from trunk would be required
[18:30] <orionas> As I understand ...
[18:34] <ScottK> I was hoping to get away with just bits of it.
[18:35] <ScottK> Hmmm
[18:35] <ScottK> Maybe just hack that bit out as it's not that critical.
[18:35] <ScottK> The references in the code to the new plasma are only in two files
[19:36] <ScottK> OK, now I'm reasonably certain I was approaching it wrong.
[19:37]  * ScottK tries again
[21:15] <rgreening> Did agateau or anyone else get a chance to look at the indicator display applet?
[21:42] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yes, sender nick coloration is on by default in Konversation
[21:42] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Thanks.  I'm thinking we should perhaps default it on in Quassel too.
[21:42] <JontheEchidna> it would definitely help readability
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> that and the fact that Quassel wastes so much space with date and nick columns are my main peeves against it
[21:46] <ScottK> You can adjust those.
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> yeah, but it's always a fixed width
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> which means you must either always waste space or not be able to read a person's nick
[21:50] <ScottK> Right.
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: if we patched krandrtray to start up as hidden in the system tray, would you be against having it start by default to solve bug 268434?
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> (we can do this now thanks to KNotificationItem)