[02:48] <itsbrad212> hey
[02:49] <itsbrad212> is anybody here?
[02:49] <itsbrad212> ?\
[08:50] <mac_v> kwwii: ping! :)
[09:00] <kwwii> mac_v: hey<
[09:21] <zniavre> hello  /bonjour
[09:21] <zniavre> with human icons theme the shared emblems is on bottom on folder
[09:22] <zniavre> but with my own theme it's on top, i do not understand why
[09:22] <zniavre> is there a setting somewhere to move this emblem ?
[13:32] <mac_v> * mat_t has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep") ;p
[13:32] <mac_v> nice exit ;)
[13:43] <darkham> if the new splash is it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrQ6aJzHYRs, i know you can do much much much (and again) more.....
[13:43] <darkham> please daze us all the 29-10
[13:43] <darkham> :)
[15:50]  * ckontros waves.
[19:59] <thorwil> RRAAARG fucking die wiki surge protection!
[19:59] <ckontros> Oh noes...
[20:01] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Backgrounds/Extra_Photo?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=David_background.jpg
[20:01] <thorwil> ^ is that a picture of a old grey wooden house/mill at a sea?
[20:01] <ckontros> Yes sir
[20:01] <thorwil> ty
[20:02] <ckontros> It's BIG. Shoulda been resized w/preview or something.
[20:03] <thorwil> sure. but it is good we have it in LARGE :)
[20:03] <ckontros> Sure sure.
[20:10] <thorwil> gotta love what Hydrogen left in my terminal: (E) PatternEditorInstrumentList	dropEvent move instrument:Cowbell
[20:10] <ckontros> hahahahahah Awesome. :)
[21:49] <mrmcq2u> kwwii there seems to be someone on ubuntu forums already creating a gtk theme to fit in with xsplash
[21:53] <kwwii> mrmcq2u: w00t, link?
[21:53] <kwwii> mrmcq2u: although I am pretty clost to finished with my version
[21:54] <kwwii> ...hehe, maybe theirs is better :D
[21:54] <mrmcq2u> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1268950&page=7
[21:54] <mrmcq2u> near the end
[21:55] <kwwii> good to see that the forums are as crazy as ever ;)
[21:55] <mrmcq2u> I know :D
[21:56] <kwwii> well, I do like the top (dark) part but it does not fit with the current design
[21:56] <kwwii> everything is dark in the new gdm
[21:56] <mrmcq2u> think of it this way, the people complaining there are the same people who complained on the art mailing list which was not that many compared to the entire community
[21:56] <kwwii>  ;)
[21:56] <kwwii> right
[21:56] <mrmcq2u> oooooh
[21:56] <kwwii> I understand the forum and don't take anything said there personally
[21:56] <mrmcq2u> can I try it out
[21:56] <mrmcq2u> secretly :D
[21:56] <kwwii> although they can be somewhat personal in their comments at times
[21:56] <mrmcq2u> lolz
[21:57] <SiDi> kwwii: some people in the forums dont notice devs ever hear about what they say
[21:57] <kwwii> but hey, it is a forum...we ask people to say whatever they want there
[21:57] <SiDi> so they just crystalize all their disappointment or frustation on the devs
[21:57] <mrmcq2u> kwwii - I got a warning on the forums for freaking out at people complaining about developers
[21:57] <kwwii> and to be honest, only ubuntu fans post things there...it is not a forum for newbies
[21:57] <kwwii> lol
[21:57] <SiDi> and some have a bad wording too. I did myself hurt other devs due to bad wording in the past
[21:57] <kwwii> SiDi: trust me, I understand
[21:58] <knome> hurting is easy
[21:58] <kwwii> I have had people tell me that everything I do is shit, etc
[21:58] <kwwii> no worries, it is somewhat too seperated from reality that I really listen to what they say :D
[21:58] <mrmcq2u> like most forums
[21:58] <knome> kwwii, even that is better than doing things wonderfully (or so most of the people say) but get ignored by the person who decides on things :P
[21:59] <kwwii> I wanted to make a screenshot of the new gdm
[21:59] <kwwii> but the new themeing cannot even be applied to gdm
[21:59] <kwwii> :p
[21:59] <SiDi> hey btw, will there be a new metacity / gtk theme in karmic for gnome ?
[21:59] <kwwii> TheMuso (luke) is going to hack gdm to allow it to accept a gtk and metacity theme from a gconf key
[22:00] <SiDi> (why not set a theme for the 'gdm' user ? doesnt it work ?)
[22:00] <kwwii> knome: true, to some extent
[22:00] <mrmcq2u> I think forums should be replaced with a more social network approach with aggregation of blog posts instead of forum threads, that way the things people say would be more attached to themselves as an individual so they would be less likely to act like a jerk
[22:00] <kwwii> SiDi: no, it only takes the gnome-session default settings currently
[22:00] <kwwii> mrmcq2u: probably true
[22:00] <dashua> I finally got a login sound on GDM
[22:00] <kwwii> ouch, turn it off
[22:00] <kwwii> I get it *really* loud every morning
[22:01] <dashua> Ha yeah
[22:01] <kwwii> because I forget to turn my sound down the night before
[22:01] <kwwii> I bet my neighbors think that is the sound of my alarm
[22:01] <SiDi> lol
[22:01] <mrmcq2u> kwwii I hate when that happens in the college library
[22:01] <kwwii> boom-ba-doompa--doompa-da
[22:01] <kwwii> lol
[22:02] <mrmcq2u> the ubuntu startup sound is fairly daunting when I forget to switch it off and everyone looks at me :D
[22:02] <kwwii> you should see my sound setup on this machine ;)
[22:02] <SiDi> i hate hearing windows login or microsoft live messenger sounds in the library
[22:02] <SiDi> that freaks me out
[22:02] <kwwii> we had a guy who wanted to work on it
[22:02] <kwwii> he was amazing
[22:02] <kwwii> a real proffesional
[22:02] <mrmcq2u> that was the last release right?
[22:02] <knome> heh
[22:02] <kwwii> but we pissed that away in the changing of leads, bosses, teams, etc
[22:03] <knome> >__<
[22:03] <knome> of course..
[22:03] <kwwii> let me find a link...he did some amazing shit
[22:03] <knome> "amazing shit"
[22:03] <knome> hmm
[22:03] <knome> interesting concept
[22:03] <mrmcq2u> oooh link :D
[22:03] <kwwii> one day I got an email from him saying he wanted to make a new sound theme for ubuntu
[22:03] <mrmcq2u> why dont you use it?
[22:04] <mrmcq2u> was it the one that mark said sounded too much like windows?
[22:04] <kwwii> http://diegostocco.com/
[22:05] <kwwii> http://www.vimeo.com/user647380
[22:05] <kwwii> no, that was a different one
[22:05] <knome> heh
[22:06] <kwwii> the first stuff (and only stuff in the end) he sent was pretty wild, very different
[22:06] <kwwii> he did the stapler music for ubuntu originally
[22:06] <mrmcq2u> is there a direct link to the music?
[22:06] <kwwii> but it was considered too dark
[22:06] <mrmcq2u> or is the music in the intro of his site the one?
[22:06] <kwwii> no, not to the theme because it never was anything more than an email in my inbox
[22:07] <kwwii> http://www.vimeo.com/5583313 for instance...haven't heard that one yet
[22:08] <mrmcq2u> so his work will not be in a future version?
[22:09] <kwwii> boah, the tree stuff is killer
[22:09] <kwwii> I wish
[22:09] <kwwii> but I bet he is upset that we blew him off
[22:09] <knome> kwwii, too bad to hear that.
[22:09] <kwwii> you should see the things he has done...it is amazing
[22:10] <kwwii> no doubt
[22:10] <knome> there is a lot wrong in the ubuntu byrocracy, definitely.
[22:10] <mrmcq2u> If you apologize and explain what the issues were before I am sure he would understand
[22:11] <mrmcq2u> would there be anything holding his contribution back now?
[22:11] <kwwii> the burning piano stuff is cool too
[22:11] <kwwii> mrmcq2u: yeah, maybe I should send him an email
[22:11] <knome> kwwii, have to check those once i get home ;)
[22:11] <kwwii> or flowers :p
[22:11] <knome> kwwii, and chocolate
[22:11] <knome> kwwii, and a bottle of whiskey
[22:11] <knome> kwwii, (me too)
[22:11] <kwwii> good idea :p
[22:12] <kwwii> not you though :D
[22:12] <knome> BAH!
[22:12] <mrmcq2u> lol
[22:12] <mrmcq2u> kwwii - so the new gtk theme you are working on is not working with gdm yet?
[22:12] <kwwii> I just bought a box of nifty absolut bottles in studded leather...cost too much to send it though
[22:13] <kwwii> mrmcq2u: no other theme works with gdm currently
[22:13] <kwwii> it can do them, but it doesn't have a mechanism to set it
[22:13] <kwwii> gdm is now a normal x-session
[22:13] <kwwii> and the panel at the bottom is a normal panel
[22:14] <kwwii> we had plans to change the interface but there is no dev/tem left to do it
[22:15] <mrmcq2u> Well I presume the plans to change the interface your are referring to is that clutter mockup macslow has?
[22:16] <mrmcq2u> which requires work to be done to the greeter right
[22:17]  * mrmcq2u bookmarked the diegostocco site as there is some high quality stuff on it
[22:19] <kwwii> mrmcq2u: no, there are other mockups which we intended to make reality
[22:19] <kwwii> I think they are on the wiki
[22:19] <mrmcq2u> ah
[22:19] <sanderqd> hey, i was wondering whether there are still plans for client-side window decoration in ubuntu. saw a gtk+ branch implementing it, and heard some months ago it might be in 9.10
[22:19] <mrmcq2u> but it doesnt support transparency and whatnot
[22:19] <kwwii> we decided not to turn compiz on at that point, no matter what
[22:20] <kwwii> I think because it would take longer to load
[22:20] <mrmcq2u> I think client side windows are already in aren't they
[22:20] <kwwii> but theoretically at least, you could do transparency in gdm if you wanted to and had the right card/driver
[22:20] <mrmcq2u> kwii - mutter might be better in karmic+1
[22:20] <mrmcq2u> kwii - kwwii
[22:20] <kwwii> ahhh, read back further!
[22:21] <kwwii> we started work on that, both client side decorations and client side window
[22:21] <kwwii> that is two different things
[22:21] <mrmcq2u> yeah, cimi did some good work on that end
[22:21] <kwwii> mrmcq2u: hopefully ;)
[22:21] <kwwii> we do have code for it all, but we are not using any of it
[22:21] <kwwii> in karmic
[22:22] <kwwii> we did the one, and upstream did the other
[22:22] <mrmcq2u> hmmm.. is it part of gtk now or still a hack
[22:22] <sanderqd> you did the csd? i think csw are merged into gtk+ right now
[22:23] <mrmcq2u> I think cdw are in
[22:23] <mrmcq2u> cdw - csw
[22:24] <mrmcq2u> they got rid of the broken nvidia artifacts I had on windows :D
[22:25] <mrmcq2u> so my broken nvidia card can be used on one of my machines :D
[22:25] <mrmcq2u> ubuntu 1 windows 0
[22:25] <mrmcq2u> lol
[22:25] <kwwii> sanderqd: we started it, but had some serious problems with firefox in the testing
[22:26] <kwwii> and then other things came up which we had to work on
[22:26] <sanderqd> ah, right, and firefox would probably not be the only app facing issues
[22:26] <kwwii> cody russell really is a genious :)
[22:26] <kwwii> yeah, I think OOo was another one
[22:26] <kwwii> gnome apps worked fine
[22:26] <mrmcq2u> ew OOo :D
[22:26] <mrmcq2u> I hate its ui
[22:26] <kwwii> but then there was the question of what to do with kde apps, etc
[22:27] <sanderqd> still it would be cool to have for at least some apps (maybe by adding a separate compiler flag), and have the rest use metacity's decoration
[22:27] <kwwii> sanderqd: that is exactly what I said (from the beginning on, because I knew there would be problems with some apps)
[22:27] <kwwii> I suggested doing all the multimedia apps that way
[22:27] <mrmcq2u> shouldnt the few apps that have problems patch themselves
[22:28] <kwwii> as a group, they would be the best ones to implement this on first
[22:28] <kwwii> mrmcq2u: lol, that would be the ideal, yes....but not reality
[22:28] <kwwii> firefox doesn't change because ubuntu wants to do something new
[22:29] <mrmcq2u> so firefox should hold it back?
[22:30] <mrmcq2u> hmmmm .. tricky
[22:30] <mrmcq2u> so mozilla dont have a good relationship upstream
[22:30] <mrmcq2u> Im sure csw/csd will be in other distros other than ubuntu
[22:31] <kwwii> mozilla doesn't really care about linux in general
[22:31] <sanderqd> kwwii: so csd is currently still under consideration? i like the idea a lot, it works out really well on mac and in google chrome
[22:31] <kwwii> we are not large enough, user-base-wise to make a difference
[22:32] <kwwii> the fact that they botched the gtk implementation should explain that
[22:32] <mrmcq2u> isnt moblin using csw + csd
[22:32] <kwwii> sanderqd: because it is shortly before beta, I would say that for karmic it is dead but we will be working on +1 in a few weeks
[22:33] <sanderqd> great :-)
[23:05] <SiDi_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Karmic
[23:05] <SiDi_> thoughts ? :P
[23:09] <ckontros> Albatross reminds me of Studio's layout. ;)
[23:16] <kwwii> nice
[23:16] <kwwii> a step up for xubuntu
[23:17] <kwwii> I agree with ckontros though being more like something beautifull can only be a good thing ;)
[23:19] <SiDi_> :)
[23:29] <kwwii> night all
[23:30] <kwwii> back to london tomorrow...won't be back online until monday morning
[23:30] <kwwii> have fun, be good, play well with each other
[23:31] <knome> kwwii, i'm not going to play with these guys! they suck!
[23:31] <knome> ;)
[23:32] <kwwii> :p
[23:34] <knome> hehe, good night :)