[00:01] <penguin42> In principal /etc/readahead/desktop should cause loads of files to be brought into cash
[00:13] <TDJACR> Does Karmic have ff3.5?
[00:13] <hexa> yes
[00:13] <hexa> 3.5.4 at the moment
[00:13] <hexa> eh 3.5.3
[00:14] <TDJACR> Cool
[00:14] <TDJACR> Has hal been deprecated?
[00:15] <TDJACR> And is there a new great theme, as promised?
[00:15] <hexa> yeah it has
[00:15] <hexa> I don't believe so
[00:19] <slacker_nl> wiw
[00:19] <slacker_nl> complete b0rkage
[00:20] <Hub_cap> I'm attempting to install 9.10 alpha over 9.04, but install wants a new install not upgrade. Is this correct?
[00:20] <hexa> Hub_cap you could just do a do-release-upgrade -d
[00:21] <Hub_cap> is that sudo do-release-upgrade -d?
[00:21] <hexa> yeah
[00:21] <Hub_cap> thanks, I'll see if I can break my 9.04. I just made an image with PING
[00:22] <slacker_nl> if you have my luck you will break your system
[00:22] <slacker_nl> alpha 6 has been horrible for me
[00:23] <Hub_cap> is there a way to back out of it?
[00:23] <slacker_nl> Hub_cap: other then restoring an image of alpha4? no
[00:24] <Hub_cap> or an image of 9.04?
[00:25] <slacker_nl> Hub_cap: i use clonezilla to create backups
[00:25] <slacker_nl> so I restore an image of my root fs and then I'm back at a working state
[00:26] <slacker_nl> but yes, i can also recover to 8.04 and 9.04 if I want too
[00:27] <Hub_cap> I have a image created with partimage not ghost and systemrescurecd. I hope that will cover my butt.
[00:27] <slacker_nl> ahh, clonezilla uses partimage, so I guess you are save
[00:28] <slacker_nl> i take it your root fs is on a seperate slice then homedirs?
[00:29] <Hub_cap> I looked at clonezilla but could find how to create image on external USB HD formatted with NTFS.
[00:29] <slacker_nl> dunno, should be supported afaik
[00:29] <Hub_cap> Partimage created a directory on USB drive.
[00:29] <slacker_nl> i backup to my external hdd with ext3
[00:29] <kei> hey, what's the deal with .Xdefaults?
[00:30] <kei> I have some emacs setup in there, and it seems like it's taken into account when I launch emacs from the term, but not when I launch it from the gnome menu
[00:30] <kei> doesn't X load it at startup?
[00:30] <Hub_cap> I couldn't figure out how to change the fs since the HD has windoze backups also
[00:32] <Hub_cap> If alpha6 is really broken, I believe I may wait awhile. Thanks for the heads up.
[00:32] <slacker_nl> Hub_cap: i know you can convert an fs with partition magic without loss of data, but I use gparted now, and i don't know if gparted supports that
[00:33] <Hub_cap> slacker-nl: gparted is on systemrescurecd. I modified the internal HD with it (dual boot with XP)
[00:33] <slacker_nl> Hub_cap: do you have a link to systemrescue-cd?
[00:34] <Hub_cap> wait one.
[00:34] <slacker_nl> i want a rescue cd which contains gparted, clonezilla and a default OS with ff, wireshark, wifi support..
[00:34] <drs305> http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page
[00:34] <slacker_nl> click
[00:34] <Hub_cap> www.sysresccd.org
[00:35] <slacker_nl> thnx
[00:35] <slacker_nl> 200 mb only
[00:35] <slacker_nl> nice
[00:35] <Hub_cap> Has good stuff on it.
[00:35] <slacker_nl> downloading right now
[00:36] <slacker_nl> after that I'm restoring to alpha4 again
[00:36] <duffydack> slacker_nl, make sure the clonezilla on it supports ext4 if you are using it.. only "experimental" (ubuntu based) version does at the moment
[00:36] <slacker_nl> alpha6 breaks wireless and am unable to remove a pkg
[00:36] <slacker_nl> duffydack: i'm using ext3
[00:37] <duffydack> slacker_nl, good to go then
[00:37] <slacker_nl> duffydack: sure is, done it several times now ;)
[00:37] <slacker_nl> also using 8.04 and jaunty, although I really really like kde4.3, so karmic has been my main OS now
[00:44] <histo> I need some help with grub2. I've edited the /etc/default/grub file to set a default timeout and run update-grub2 and its ignoring it. It just sits at the grub menu on boot
[00:45] <histo> It stopped booting the default kernel after an update
[00:47] <pmitros> How stable is Karmic at the moment? I'm running into a couple of obscure X +bugs that may be fixed in Karmic, so I'm thinking of upgrading.
[00:47] <penguin42> pmitros: Some people have had problems, I'm doingly mostly OK
[00:47] <pmitros> "mostly OK"? What kinds of issues?
[00:48] <penguin42> couple of people seem to have run into a nasty problem with /dev/pts not appearing that I've seen today; a few people with X not starting; but in both cases they seem pretty rare
[00:49] <pmitros> Hmm... Worth a shot, I guess.
[00:49]  * penguin42 has 2 main bugs he'd like fixed; it doesn't lock on hibernate and I have a problem with the two heads being mirrored on restore from hibernate
[00:50] <penguin42> neither particularly nasty
[00:50] <pmitros> Actually, probably, I should dd the partition, upgrade, and if it breaks, dd back.
[00:51] <webbb82> i dunno why but empathy wont let me change my status in the system tray to available it stays on hidden no matter what
[00:51] <histo> pmitros: not very just broke a few days ago
[00:53] <histo> pmitros: check the development forums you can see some of the issues people are having.
[00:53] <penguin42> pmitros: But heck; I've just had sound working in flash *at the same time as my music player* - and I haven't been able to do that for about a year
[00:53] <pmitros> It sounds like I'm going for it then.
[00:54] <pmitros> Couple things broken in Jaunty anyways. They might be fixed.
[00:54] <histo> you'll probably experience more prolbems in karmic untill its stable.
[00:54] <penguin42> but much more fun and entertaining ones
[00:54] <histo> I would only run it on a machine that you have you /home seperate or something.
[00:58] <DanaG> I share my/home between Jaunty and Karmic.
[00:58] <|neon|> having a big issue with karmic, i am running it on an asus laptop and it does not recognize the cd unless i manually mounted, it is listed on fstab but it is not loading automatically only manually any suggestions, thx
[01:00] <penguin42> |neon|: Not automounting is hardly a big issue; it's annoying but not like it failing to boot or wiping your disk
[01:00] <|neon|> penguin42: true, still anoying!! :)
[01:01] <slacker_nl> i don't like this....
[01:02] <slacker_nl> my wireless is in epic fail mode
[01:03] <slacker_nl> thought it was netbase, downgraded, wpasupplicant, downgraded still no go
[01:03]  * BUGabundo DanaG is crazy and suicidal
[01:03] <burner> bummer.. my sound card is b0rked, but usb headphones work :)
[01:04] <DanaG> no, a more correct term would be "masochist".
[01:04]  * BUGabundo make.clone( BUGabundo ) | /dev/bed/BUGabundo
[01:05] <burner> you want to be in a bed with a clone of yourself, that's "narcissistic"
[01:05] <penguin42>  'No I want the duvet'
[01:05] <bbeck> Does anyone know if MPX is in the version of Xserve that ships with Karmic?  (I guess it depends if MPX has even made it into Xserve at all.)
[01:06] <penguin42> what's mpx? Multi pointer?
[01:07] <penguin42> there's nothing in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log or xdpyinfo output that looks like it
[01:09] <cwillu_at_work> bbeck, more likely to get a useful response in #ubuntu-x, although make sure you stay in channel
[01:10] <bbeck> cwillu_at_work: thanks
[01:10] <bbeck> cwillu_at_work: lol, I'm the only person over there.
[01:11]  * cwillu_at_work blinks, there's 39 people in ubuntu-x
[01:11]  * cwillu_at_work blinks, there's 39 people in ubuntu-x
[01:11] <bbeck> cwillu-laptop: let me try again.
[01:11] <cwillu_at_work> "/join #ubuntu-x"
[01:12] <bbeck> doh! I was going to ubuntu+x
[01:12] <cwillu_at_work> I'm sitting in that channel, and I know you haven't joined it :p
[01:12] <cwillu_at_work> it's a low volume channel, but that also means people will see your question hours later still
[01:17] <DanaG> oh yeah, I think MPX is part of xinput2.
[01:17] <DanaG> xinput2 is not in Karmic.
[01:17] <DanaG> xinput list
[01:17] <DanaG> yeah, xinput looks like old xinput.
[01:18] <bbeck> DanaG: that stinks, but thanks for the help.
[01:18] <DanaG> I think there's an xinput2 ppa, but I'm not sure if it's still maintained.
[01:19] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/xorg-testing
[01:20] <DanaG> I wish somebody would make a PPA with drm-next kernels.
[01:22] <bbeck> What's drm-next?
[01:23] <DanaG> http://airlied.livejournal.com/68097.html
[01:25] <bbeck> Ah I see, mode setting for Radeon graphics cards.
[01:25] <bbeck> As the proud owner of a goofy Intel card, I'm counting down the days until the next release of Ubuntu.
[01:26] <penguin42> bbeck: Which particular goofe?
[01:27] <bbeck> penguin42: according to lspci Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960
[01:28] <penguin42> tha'ts not that unusual is it?
[01:29] <bbeck> No, not unusual, but after six months of constant graphics glitches I'm looking forward to the new drivers.
[01:35] <TDJACR> I don't like the Alpha 6
[01:37] <TDJACR> What were you guys thinking with the Ubuntu App Store.
[01:37] <TDJACR> And dthe graphics during install.
[01:37] <TDJACR> And still the ugly color scheme
[01:37] <TDJACR> And Ubuntu one
[01:39] <TDJACR> Fspot is nicer
[01:41] <TDJACR> But I still think Ubuntu should stick with pidgin
[01:41] <TDJACR> And no btrfs
[01:42] <DKcross> Happy  freedom software day !!!
[01:43] <TDJACR> DKcross: Thanks, you too.
[01:43] <TDJACR> The Software Store is a joke.
[01:43] <TDJACR> It should be removed.
[01:44] <bbeck> TDJACR: I haven't see it yet, what's wrong with it?
[01:45] <TDJACR> It's pointless (it's almost the same as add/remove) and it is conceptually wrong.
[01:45] <TDJACR> Free Software == Gratis, it seems.
[01:45] <TDJACR> And It's a "store" selling "free" software
[01:45] <TDJACR> As in gratis
[01:45] <TDJACR> But they want libre
[01:45] <TDJACR> ...
[01:45] <TDJACR> It's hard to explain
[01:45] <TDJACR> And Ubuntu One should not be included by default, imho
[01:45] <TDJACR> Same with landscape on server
[01:45] <bbeck> TDJACR: what software do you have to pay for?
[01:45] <TDJACR> s
[01:46] <TDJACR> bbeck: I don't think ther es any
[01:46] <bbeck> TDJACR: That does sound weird, I'll have to look at it.
[01:47] <TDJACR> The concept is all wrong.
[01:47] <TDJACR> Add/Remove does the same thing.
[01:47] <TDJACR> And it says free software: no cost.
[01:47] <TDJACR> ...
[01:47] <bbeck> TDJACR: When you say add / remove are you referring to apt-get install / remove?
[01:48] <TDJACR> No
[01:48] <TDJACR> In the Applic ations menu at bottom.
[01:48] <hexa> imo the Ubuntu Store is a work in progress atm
[01:48] <bbeck> I'm a kubuntu user, so maybe that's the reason I didn't notice.
[01:48] <hexa> it will however feature more editorial work than Add/Remove-Crap
[01:49] <TDJACR> There seems to be a new gdm
[01:49] <TDJACR> BAd
[01:49] <hexa> new gdm is nice
[01:49] <TDJACR> Like fedora's in orange
[01:49] <hexa> much cleaner than all the old stuff
[01:49] <TDJACR> And a splash screen between gdm and desktop
[01:49] <hexa> so change to fedora
[01:49] <hexa> boy, you are a bit whiny, aren't you?
[01:49] <TDJACR> I said it was bad
[01:49] <TDJACR> The 9.04 was good
[01:50] <hexa> so stick with 9.04
[01:50] <hexa> it is your choice
[01:50] <TDJACR> I know, hexa.
[01:50] <bbeck> Jeez, I feel left out, nothing about the login seems to have changed in kubuntu land.
[01:50] <TDJACR> The final version will be different thna alpha, as always
[01:51] <TDJACR> But empathy and the app store were bad ideas imho
[01:51] <hexa> 9.10 is some beta-testing on the way to the next LTS
[01:51] <hexa> so just stop it right there
[01:51] <hexa> Empathy is what the GNOME Desktop brings with it
[01:52] <hexa> it will be more integrated than pidgin when it is done
[01:52] <hexa> there are long-term reasons you seem not to grasp
[01:52] <TDJACR> I know.
[01:52] <TDJACR> But it should support OTR
[01:52] <hexa> I totally agree
[01:53] <hexa> this is why you may stick to pidgin
[01:53] <TDJACR> I will.
[01:53] <TDJACR> But I don't think Ubuntu should add to the desktop before the apps are useable.
[01:53] <TDJACR> To a good degree.
[01:54] <TDJACR> And in my opinion, when an update to a upstream application is released (ff3 ->3.5) it should be the same on ubuntu
[01:54] <TDJACR> Before a whole upgrade
[01:55] <bbeck> TDJACR: Isn't that what the PPAs are for?
[01:55] <TDJACR> Yeah
[01:56] <TDJACR> I don't mind that as much as the other things, though.
[02:38] <sheeps1> ok, the bot in #ubuntu told me to come here: I've been using karmic for a while on my netbook and after updating it last night it doen't start X,  it also doesn't appear to recognise that it has a wireless card (and I don't have a second network cable).
[02:55] <virtuald> what is linux-next?
[03:06] <creative1412> guys i just did a fresh install and i got an error and got to a root shell i did a fsck and rebooted and it worked but i can see errors with udev what's wrong?
[03:10] <robin0800> creative1412: nothing apparently the devs said its just a test and will change/fixed this comming week
[03:11] <creative1412> robin0800: then that's sounds good
[03:11] <creative1412> robin0800: Nvidia driver ? any isuse before installing?
[03:12] <creative1412> issues *
[03:12] <Rods_Tiger> I've downloaded the karmic kubuntu UNR file, but it won't work. It's too big to be a CD, and the normal means of making the file become a liveUSBstick isn't working (or at least, it's unbootable).
[03:12] <robin0800> creative1412: don't know ati here
[03:13] <creative1412> robin0800: a friend of mine told that nvidia driver killed his installation
[03:15] <robin0800> creative1412: I would have thought the worst would be Xserver might crash but that could probably be easily fixed this is alpha after all
[03:40] <webbb82> gnome do is really laggy anyone notice this
[03:42] <QPrime> blame mono?
[04:14] <webbb82> ok i need some help i need to edit my xorg.config file and add Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy"   but i cANT find it anywhere
[04:20] <creative1412> guys flash player isn't working for me
[04:20] <robin0800> webbb82: http://paste.ubuntu.com/274478/ might help
[04:25] <ripps> Hmmm.... add/remove is gone from Applications menu, but software store is also missing from System...
[04:27] <robin0800> ripps: if you edit menu you can put it back
[04:27] <ripps> robin0800: that really isn't an issue, I don't really use either. I'm just wondering why they removed both
[04:30] <robin0800> ripps: for some reason when you unhide software store it goes both in system and where add and remove was you can then rehide the system one
[04:33] <ripps> Must mean that the file is a symlink, and the files has some kind of hide option enabled in the file. Question is, why did they ship a file with hide enabled?
[04:33] <ripps> bug?
[04:34] <Brian___> can someone please help  i add'd a line in etc/x11/xorg.conf and now gnome wont start
[04:34] <ripps> Brian___: then goin to recovery mode and remove it
[04:34] <Brian___> how
[04:35] <Brian___> all i have to do is del. xorg.conf how do i do that from the terminal
[04:35] <ripps> Brian___: from the boot menu, there should be two listings for ubuntu, one is the regular one, the second is the recovery. It says (recovery mode) right next to it.
[04:35] <Brian___> oh im on a netbook so no live cd
[04:36] <ripps> Brian___: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.off
[04:36] <ripps> I don't like removing xorg.confs, unless necessary\
[04:36] <ripps> Brian___: btw, what exactly did you add to xorg.conf?
[04:37] <Brian___> migrate somthing option trying to get gnome do to speed up
[04:38] <Brian___> that command didnt work
[04:38] <ripps> Brian___: oh, migration_heuristic? yeah, depending on your driver/hardware it can do more harm than good
[04:38] <Brian___> ya
[04:39] <Brian___> it says command not found
[04:39] <ripps> Brian___: "cd /etc/X11" if you have a xorg.conf, than you can probably just remove using "sudo rm xorg.conf"
[04:40] <ripps> Remember, it's case-sensitive, if there any caps in the path, than you have to follow that with what you type
[04:41] <Brian___> cd etc x11 no such file or directory
[04:41] <ripps> not x11, X11
[04:41] <ripps> capatilize the x
[04:41] <Brian___> ok
[04:41] <Brian___> got it
[04:43] <Brian___> now im restarting comp hope this fixed it
[04:44] <Brian___> hey it worked thank you so much
[04:45] <ripps> your welcome
[04:46] <Brian___> im trying to get gnome do docky to run better and not lag with my intel 943 card
[04:46] <ripps> I don't particularly like docks, so I haven't used it much
[04:47] <ripps> I do use gnome-do to launch apps though
[04:47] <Brian___> ya its nice for that
[04:47] <robin0800> Brian___:   to find what options your driver supports you run Xorg -configure in the recovery mode
[04:48] <Brian___> i dont have a cd rom so i cant pop in my live cd
[04:48] <ripps> Brian___: I don't migration_heuristic would do much for intel in karmic, because I think mh works mostly for exa, and intel now uses uxa entirely.
[04:49] <robin0800> Brian___: this should be a grub option
[04:49] <Brian___> how so
[04:49] <ripps> Brian___: you shouldn't need a livecd to boot into recovery mode, it should in the menu that shows up as your comp is booting
[04:50] <ripps> netbook-remix installs grub right?
[04:50] <ripps> I can't imagine any linux working without a bootloader
[04:50] <robin0800> ripps: note by default this is now hidden in alpha 6
[04:50] <cowguru2000> hey guys
[04:50] <Brian___> im out for now thanks again ripps
[04:50] <ripps> robin0800: mine isn't hidden....
[04:51] <cowguru2000> could anyone here help me with ubuntu 9.04?
[04:51] <ripps> cowguru2000: #ubuntu
[04:51] <cowguru2000> specifically with a huge ldap/auth problem i'm having
[04:51] <cowguru2000> oh ok
[04:51] <robin0800> ripps: on a clean install it is
[04:51] <cowguru2000> i tried to join that channel but apparently it doesn't exist anymore
[04:51] <ripps> ripps: ah, I installed karmic freshly during alpha2
[04:51] <ripps> robin0800: ^
[04:54] <robin0800> ripps:  you can show it by hitting shift now at boot time but doesn't always work
[04:54] <mjbrooks> cowguru2000, it exists... but it seems the servers having issues
[04:55] <ripps> hmm.... when grub boots, first i see grub for a split second, than the screen goes dark for another second, then grub flickers back on. I wonder if it's just broken for my bios
[04:55] <robin0800> cowguru2000: works for me through freenode
[04:57] <robin0800> ripps: there are instructions to always show it google grub2
[05:56] <bbeck> I heard that Karmic won't have upstart.  That's just the program that displays the graphics during boot up, correct?
[06:00] <bbeck> I was just curious why it was removed.
[06:00] <hifi> umm, no
[06:00] <hifi> upstart is the init daemon that starts up applications on boot
[06:00] <bbeck> oh
[06:00] <bbeck> Was it removed, or did I hear wrongly?
[06:01] <hifi> I still have it so... no?
[06:01] <bbeck> Thanks, I guess I was misinformed.
[06:02] <hifi> though it of course needs to be replaced, not just removed
[06:02] <hifi> and for my knowledge upstart is still being developed and highly ubuntu specific
[06:05] <bbeck> hifi: yeah I just looked at the ubuntu page, alpha 6 transitioned to upstart.
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Im still getting an erorr on every boot about the filesystems fsck date being set to the future.
[06:11] <hifi> transitioned? didn't ubuntu use upstart since 6.something
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> Yea it has i think.
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> I do think ive seen some other disrtos  using Upstart. but I cant rember what ones.
[06:13] <bbeck> hifi: that was the word they used on the release page, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha6
[06:16] <hifi> hmm
[06:19] <Amaranth> fedora uses upstart but just as a sysvinit replacement
[06:19] <Amaranth> They have been waiting on us to get it good enough to transition to upstart-native boot
[06:19] <Amaranth> So finally we have a feature before them ;)
[06:22] <dragon> Are there any major UI changes in karmic?
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> Not that ive really noticed.,
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> Gnome is still basically gnome. :)
[06:22] <bbeck> 4.3 is a pretty nice improvement.
[06:25] <dragon> Dr_Willis: i've read about the performance improvements, so that's probably an incentive for upgrading to alpha 6
[06:27] <dragon> Dr_Willis: though I was looking for UI features like usability and eye candy
[06:28] <Amaranth> yay I found the intel bug
[06:29] <Amaranth> 0f328c90dbc893e15005f2ab441d309c1c176245 i965: Fall back or appropriately adjust offsets of drawing to tiled regions
[06:29] <Amaranth> that commit is the reason compiz appears broken on resume
[06:29] <Amaranth> wait, actually I think someone else already found that and fixed the bug in ubuntu :P
[06:29] <hifi> does intel have same problem with mode setting as radeon now in karmic?
[06:29] <hifi> that fbcon module is no longer automagically loaded on boot and if mode setting is enabled you lose video signal
[06:30] <dragon> !benchmark
[06:30] <dragon> any resources or info on benchmarking?
[06:30] <bbeck> Amaranth: What's the Intel bug?
[06:31] <Amaranth> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23254
[06:31] <Amaranth> hifi: err, no, my screen works
[06:32] <Amaranth> hifi: I didn't think radeon KMS was on by default
[06:34] <tgpraveen> what is the default icon theme used in ubuntu?
[06:34] <tgpraveen> is it humanity?
[06:35] <Amaranth> nope, human
[06:35] <Amaranth> UNR was going to use humanity but it had some consistency issues and still depends on human so it was using too much space
[06:37] <tgpraveen> Amaranth: thanks for the info btw has human been
[06:38] <tgpraveen> updated in this cycle?
[06:38] <Amaranth> not that I can see
[06:39] <tgpraveen> :(
[06:39] <Amaranth> oh hey, DanRabbit makes Humanity
[06:39] <Amaranth> no wonder all the gnome-do guys use it :P
[06:41] <tgpraveen> ubuntu should also switch to humanity
[06:41] <tgpraveen> propabl
[06:41] <tgpraveen> y soon
[06:45] <hifi> Amaranth: not default, but you can enable it with a boot parameter
[06:46] <hifi> but the result should be the same with intel
[06:46] <Amaranth> hifi: I don't have fbcon loaded and I'm not even using KMS right now
[06:50] <Amaranth> Reading a diff of a diff makes my eyes bleed :/
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> !info colordiff
[06:53] <tgpraveen> !info pidgin
[06:53] <tgpraveen> is there any multi-protocol instant messaging client which is CLI based
[06:53] <tgpraveen> ?
[06:53] <vttr> is there anything bad/ broken in the 64 bit version of karmic .. i should be aware of ? like does flash/ java work?
[06:56] <bbeck> tgpraveen: finch is a cli version of pidgin.
[06:56] <hifi> kms needs fbcon for system vt's
[06:56] <Amaranth> hifi: Well as of yesterday KMS was working fine on my machine
[06:57] <hifi> works fine after you get to X
[06:57] <Amaranth> vttr: You absolutely have to use the 64-bit version of flash otherwise you can't click things
[06:57] <Amaranth> hifi: No, I see all the udev warnings too
[06:57] <hifi> then something is probably different with either your karmic or intel kms
[06:57] <vttr> Amaranth: where do i get tht from? adobe or the repos? what version
[06:58] <Amaranth> vttr: labs.adobe.com
[06:58] <vttr> ok
[06:58]  * Amaranth feels for 64-bit users
[06:58] <Amaranth> Something about nspluginwrapper while compiz is running
[06:59] <Amaranth> chrome actually has the same problem with some flash apps since it works like nspluginwrapper
[06:59] <vttr> Amaranth: anything else that is missing in 64 bit? java/ chrome / opera?
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> opera works here.
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> chrome works here.
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> I think.. let me double check
[06:59] <Amaranth> vttr: With Chrome flash will be somewhat unusable no matter what unless you disable compiz
[06:59] <hifi> s/chrome/chromium/
[06:59] <Amaranth> yeah yeah
[06:59] <vttr> any other nasties still not ironed out that you guys are aware of?
[07:00] <Amaranth> vttr: Well, the system may not boot at all
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> chrome works.
[07:00] <vttr> lol
[07:00] <vttr> ty Dr_Willis
[07:00] <Amaranth> vttr: test the LiveCD first
[07:00] <Amaranth> vttr: I'm serious
[07:00] <vttr> Amaranth: thts what i got to do .. but unetbootin doesnt work for karmic
[07:00] <vttr> i got a netbook
[07:01] <Amaranth> vttr: In that case wait or upgrade and pray
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..
[07:01] <Amaranth> As long as you didn't do anything the Ubuntu 9.04 final LiveCD installer doesn't let you do the system should boot
[07:01] <vttr> i am installing virtualbox to get the usb creator working :/
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> I used unetbootin to make a bootable  flash disk i thought...
[07:01] <Amaranth> If you made any customizations like encrypted disk or any kind of network filesystem...
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> this was a few alphas # ago however.
[07:02] <vttr> Dr_Willis: does unetbootin create karmic usb bootables .. i am having trouble with karmic alpha 5
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> I thinki did it  with A4. I dont recall buringing any cd's for this box.
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> and i dont see any A4 cds :)
[07:03] <vttr> yes.. it creates only the bootloader .. but no karmic files are copied on the usb
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> or i may ofused the ubuntu usb-creater tool. i dont even see my flash drive i used around to check
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> annoying thing ablout flash drives..its hard to label them :)
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> They need tomake one with a little 'white' place you can write on and erase.
[07:04] <vttr> how many flash drives do u have .. that u find the need to label each one :)
[07:05] <vttr> i reuse my flash drives for regularly .. the contents are long formatted even before a label can make itself onto one
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> I got about 10 total now.. :)
[07:06] <quartknee_> My flash drive has a white spot for labeling. It's a lexmark.
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> I put keychains on mine i jot down on it. :)
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> and my name on the reverse.. in case i forget one in a pc at work.
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> Grabbing alpa6 to test with Unetbootin and ubuntu usb-creator.
[07:07] <vttr> let me know .. if you are able to get unetbootin working
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> argh - a 25 min download. :)
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> now down to 18 :)
[07:08] <vttr> btw this is wht i am using http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/karmic/alpha-6/
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> I tried  Kubuntu.. and still dont like it. :)
[07:09] <leaf-sheep> That is funny. Kubuntu said the same thing about you, Dr_Willis. :)
[07:09] <vttr> i want to try out kde 4.3 :) did not like the crashes in 4.1
[07:09] <vttr> lol leaf-sheep
[07:09]  * Dr_Willis pokes leaf-sheep  with a small cattle prod.
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> :)
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> Im still wondering about this 'fsck date set to the future' issue im having on every reboot now.
[07:10] <leaf-sheep> Xubuntu Alpha6 looks decent now. I'm attempted to give Xubuntu a fair chance on my netbook.  Never used Xubuntu before myself. :)
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> there were some parts of xubuntu i just did not like.
[07:11] <leaf-sheep> Dr_Willis: I saw few cattles yesterday. I even rode a horse too! O rly? Yes rly!
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> little 'things' that  you get used to that change/vanish and then can  be a hassle.
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> leaf-sheep:  :) Giddyup cowboy!
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> Did you step in Poo!
[07:11] <leaf-sheep> That's expected, I suppose.
[07:12] <vttr> leaf-sheep: u use kde?
[07:12] <leaf-sheep> vttr: Not rly.
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. My new external usb hard drive.. causes the pc to 'wait a long time' at boot up.. and ubuntu dident see/mount it . untill after i power cycled it..
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> How .. annoying.
[07:21]  * leaf-sheep is installing xubuntu-desktop(karmic) on teh netboot.
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> 10 min on my download..
[07:22] <leaf-sheep> Maybe I should install kubuntu-desktop + ubuntu-desktop while I'm at it.  And any other -desktop too.
[07:22] <vttr> which netbooks do u guys have?
[07:22] <leaf-sheep> In fact, I should install all packages there are in Ubuntu Repo and see how it goes.
[07:23] <leaf-sheep> Acer Aspire One + Dell Inspirion Mini 10.
[07:24] <vttr> and Dr_Willis ?
[07:24] <vttr> i have the 11.6 inch gateway LT3103
[07:24] <leaf-sheep> Dell XPS M1530 (Laptop).
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> I got an older AAO netbook here.
[07:25] <vttr> Dell 1710 laptop
[07:25] <leaf-sheep> Cash cow!
[07:25] <leaf-sheep> >_>
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> Some of these new netbooks are nice.. but for the $$ i may as well get a laptop...
[07:25] <vttr> Dr_Willis: size matters
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> netbooks are getting bigger.. and the laptops i saw were just a little larger.
[07:25] <vttr> for same $$ i prefer portability
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> laptops i saw were just a tad bigger then the big netbooks.. some were cheaper even.
[07:26] <vttr> leaf-sheep: hehe they were gifts
[07:26] <vttr> and the 17 incher is from work :)
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> I forget what brand one i saw today.. it had an AMD cpu in it. and  i think a 11 screen.
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> largest netbook they had.
[07:27] <leaf-sheep> I think I'll sell my netbooks and reap the beans.
[07:27] <vttr> i have the amd one
[07:27] <leaf-sheep> At least just one.
[07:27] <vttr> leaf-sheep: y 2 netbooks ?
[07:27] <leaf-sheep> vttr: I bought one. I got other one... at unbelievable discount of $150
[07:28] <leaf-sheep> Brand New! Yes rly!
[07:28] <vttr> the reason y i settled for the 11 inch is because i cannot stand 1024x600
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> Yep - i would like to find one with a slightly higher res screen.
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> wesnoth does not play well on 1024X600
[07:29] <vttr> i settled for http://techreport.com/articles.x/17249 .. the winner .. i.e Gateway
[07:29] <vttr> the acer 751 was slow s molasses
[07:30] <leaf-sheep> For some reason, I can't use the laptop without my trusty bluetooth mouse.  Touchpad is just bleh.
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> I put my netbook in my lunchbox.. makes it easier to carry to/from work. but now i have a bigger lunchbox.. so can get a bigger netbook/laptop :)
[07:30] <vttr> 7 mins to get virtualbox .. and then usb creator .. later karmic koala A6 here i come
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> heh
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> I gotta find my flash drives...
[07:31] <vttr> much later ... back to stable 9.04 ... if i find too mnay bugs lol
[07:32] <leaf-sheep> Isn't it easier to test stuffs on actual machine, not the pretentious machine?
[07:32] <pwnguin> odd. dist-upgrade wants to remove emacs...
[07:32] <leaf-sheep> Not testing -- but -- experiment and bug reporting.
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I still got a quirk where i plug in a flash drive.. and it dosent get auto seen/mounted
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> making 'usb startup disk' for test #1.
[07:40] <mjbrooks> leaf-sheep, testing and bug reporting is generally preferred done on an actual machine as virtual machines are merely virtual hardware and aren't real world stuff
[07:44] <vttr_> and now virtualbox doesnt like the karmic iso :/
[07:45] <vttr_> is it becoz its 64bit?
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> Ok. The 'Usb startup disk' Tool was able to make a Bootable working, flash disk, for me with  whatever the latest alpha was..
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> !info unetbootin
[07:56] <taneli> is there some kind of ordering problem in the upstart boot? mine refused to mount /home before I added xfs to /etc/modules
[07:57] <virtuelv> this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bug/141494
[07:57] <virtuelv> I'm not so sure that's nspluginwrapper
[07:58] <virtuelv> given that I have the same in opera, which doesn't use it
[08:04] <om26er> daily live images are not created after 17th can any one tell me when are they gonna come
[08:09] <om26er> Dr_Willis: can u tell me when are the new  daily images gonna release
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> that was weird.. booted fine.. started to copy a file.. crash.. straight to reboot...
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  ive never paied attention to when. I rarely use the daily images
[08:09] <leaf-sheep> om26er: Are you burning discs daily? :o
[08:10] <om26er> leaf-sheep: i am using flash drives
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> Using Unetbootin or the Ubuntu USB startup disk tool?
[08:11] <om26er> Dr_Willis: unetbootin is better i use it
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> i found unetbooting worse in ways. :) but there was some people asking about  if unetbootin even worked...
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> I was about to test it..but you are using the Ubuntu unetbootin? or windows version?
[08:11] <leaf-sheep> om26er: You can use apt-get to pull in karmic packages. In case you don't know that.
[08:12] <om26er> Dr_Willis: i use unetbootin on ubuntu or fedora never windowws
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> Ok. Just confirming that Unetbootin does work with the alpha release iso files...
[08:13] <om26er> Dr_Willis: yes they work fine
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu uses such a comples syslinux setup  - i wouldent be suprised if  they did break wit hunetbootin
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> guess its isolinux on the cd. :)
[08:16] <om26er> Dr_Willis: unetbootin makes the directory isolinux i rename it to syslinux and also the file isolinux.cfg to syslinux.cfg in its directory
[08:17] <om26er> Dr_Willis: with doing that u can get the default startup menu other wise they are from unetbootin
[08:19] <leaf-sheep> I do my clean installation over netboot.  Pulling in all latest packages -- No need for that "Install it in, Update; Upgrade" thing. :)
[08:32] <AlanBell> when do we get to see the default wallpaper for Karmic?
[08:46] <genady12lap> hey
[08:46] <genady12lap> someone got the gfxpayload=keep working good?
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. it works here.
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> at least i rember enabling it. and changing the res of the grub2 menus.
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> but then the images i was using dident fit properly
[08:50] <genady12lap> my grub2 menu is in good resolution but the console isn't
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> the console res would be set by the framebuffer stuff I thought.
[08:52] <Dr_Willis> teh vga=XXXX option to the kernel
[08:53] <genady12lap> its obsolete
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> I always disabled the framebuffer anyway :)
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> so i havent noticed/paid attention.
[08:53] <genady12lap> * 951_gfxpayload_keep.diff: New patch. If gfxpayload starts with "keep" or
[08:53] <genady12lap> if GRUB_ASSUME_LINUX_HAS_FB_SUPPORT is defined, then tell Linux to use
[08:53] <genady12lap> the current video mode.
[08:55] <genady12lap> lets reboot
[09:16] <zniavre> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzU0NQ
[09:55] <lodder> I'm trying to install eclipse in karmic but i'm getting the following error: Broken packages... Can this be resolved ? Or do I have to wait?
[09:57] <eagles0513875> lodder: best to check launch pad and if necessary file a bug
[09:57] <raevol> karmic will be kernel 2.6.31/
[09:57] <lodder> eagles0513875: ok how can I do that?
[09:57] <eagles0513875> lodder: launchpad.net
[09:57] <raevol> that's a question :x woops
[09:59] <lodder> eagles0513875: I know but how i have tried searching for bugs but can't find one
[09:59] <eagles0513875> lodder: go ahead and file a bug against the eclipse package
[10:01] <lodder> ok
[10:03] <hrickards> Is it possible for me to change something so that the xplash throbber doesn't go up and down?
[10:03] <lodder> eagles0513875: done hopefully it's fixed quickly
[10:04] <eagles0513875> :) lodder
[10:07] <Dr_Willis> apt-get remove xplash ? :)
[10:09] <hrickards> Dr_Willis: If only apt-get would sove everything... Would someone be able to look in /usr/share/images/xsplash, because I only have two images (xsplash-background.png and xsplash-throbber.png), but from the look of the forums it seems everyone else has more.
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> 15 files in there -
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> several bg_XXXXX.jpg and 4 throbber files..
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> and 4 logosxxx.png
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. thats not even the Throbber i see when i booted up...
[10:17] <hrickards> Dr_Willis: That's strange. I've only got the 2. 9.04 beta 6 right?
[10:18] <hrickards> Seems ubuntu-xsplash-artwork wasn't installed because it conflicted with the earlier xsplash I had installed.
[10:19] <junkY_San> hey, i installed alpha5, will it automatically update to alpha6 using dist-upgrade or are there other changes than packages?
[10:21] <richardcavell> junkY_San: everything's in a package
[10:21] <junkY_San> okey
[10:23] <anger_> Hi!
[10:23] <anger_> Anyone else had problems with starting up apache?
[10:24] <anger_> For me /etc/init.d/apache2 start says it started ok but I cannot connect to http://localhost
[10:24] <anger_> And nothing gets written into /var/log/error.log
[10:24] <hrickards> anger_: What if you do telnet 127.0.0.1 80
[10:29] <anger_> I get connection refused...
[10:31] <junkY_San> so either apache is not running or not accepting connections
[10:31] <eagles0513875> richardcavell: O_O didnt know you were running ubuntu as well
[10:31] <junkY_San> check if the process exists
[10:31] <anger_> junkY_San, process does not seem to exist...
[10:33] <junkY_San> try to (re)start using the init script. are there any messages?
[10:34] <anger_> /etc/init.d/apache2 start just says "Starting  web server apache2 => OK"
[10:34] <anger_> and I can't find any error messages anywhere...
[10:34] <junkY_San> try strace
[10:35] <junkY_San> strace /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[10:36] <richardcavell> eagles0513875: I am an Ubuntu man
[10:36] <richardcavell> eagles0513875: although I'm a bit fed up with karmic at the moment
[10:36] <richardcavell> I understand it's a development release but by crikey it's unstable
[10:37] <richardcavell> eagles0513875: how big is your Installer.app?
[10:37] <eagles0513875> richardcavell: im on alpha 6 duelbooting with boot camp on 10.6
[10:37] <anger_> junkY_San, http://pastebin.com/m299539a9
[10:38] <richardcavell> eagles0513875: I expect that when Karmic is final it will rock on Macintosh
[10:38] <eagles0513875> im on it now richardcavell after doing a clean install and so far so good with it
[10:38] <richardcavell> eagles0513875: I've done my fair share of filing bug reports etc
[10:39] <eagles0513875> hehe
[10:40] <richardcavell> seriously
[10:40] <richardcavell> I've done my fair share
[10:40] <richardcavell> you can't ask for more than that
[10:41] <junkY_San> anger_: sorry, can't see anything
[10:41] <eagles0513875> richardcavell: i believe ya
[10:42] <junkY_San> what i would try is to search for the startupcommand in the initscript and run it manually
[10:43] <anger_> junkY_San, apache2ctl start says nothing...
[10:44] <junkY_San> try --verbose or something
[10:44] <Machtin> hm.. i tried to make s2api.. what went wrong? http://pastebin.org/18984
[10:46] <anger_> hmm, sudo apache2 prints "apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER}"
[10:50] <scizzo-> anger_: the use does not exist?
[10:51] <anger_> the login was apache2?
[10:51] <anger_> I have www-data...
[10:52] <junkY_San> the variable doesn't exist if you run it manually
[10:52] <anger_> I think I had user apache2 before upgrading to karmic
[10:52] <junkY_San> wait a minute, i'll test apache in a virtualbox, don't want to do it on a real system
[10:54] <junkY_San> mh, works out of the box
[10:54] <anger_> do you have user apache2 on your system?
[10:55] <anger_> or does apache just use root...
[10:55] <junkY_San> don't have apache2
[10:57] <junkY_San> the user is defined in /etc/apache2/envvars
[11:00] <junkY_San> sorry, lunch time
[11:02] <hosoka> hello all
[11:02] <anger_> I did also purge previous installation but that didn't work either...
[11:02] <hosoka> Would like to know if there is still an issue with the sound ?
[11:30] <hosoka> does anyone has issues with the sound in this test release ?
[11:32] <anger_> works fine for me...
[11:33] <lemonade> hosoka: i had some snapping sounds during alpha 5, but now everything seems ok
[11:34] <mrmcq2u> Hi, I was wondering whether someone could tell me why my card doesnt seem to support dri2 on karmic but supports it on the last release of fedora
[11:36] <Adapter> servus alle
[11:36] <Adapter> hi catweazle
[11:42] <hosoka> how I can have my sound working as I see it is using Alsa
[11:43] <hosoka> hi, lemonade. I also had that snapping sound, but still exists a problem for me.
[11:52] <hosoka> is there anyone that can assist how to fix the sound issue ?
[11:56] <mrmcq2u> how do I get to grub command in karmic?
[11:56] <jonathonf> press escape during boot?
[11:56] <mrmcq2u> used to be able to do it by pressing e when starting up
[11:56] <jonathonf> then e
[11:56] <mrmcq2u> wait so press them both together
[11:56] <mrmcq2u> ?
[11:56] <jonathonf> should be the same as it used to be, it works on mine
[11:57] <mrmcq2u> I'll give it another shot
[11:57] <mrmcq2u> thanks
[11:57] <jonathonf> :)
[12:05] <mrmcq2u> right just rebooted and checked again
[12:05] <mrmcq2u> grub doesnt listen for the escape command or e
[12:05] <mrmcq2u> just continues the boot process
[12:20] <mrmcq2u> anyone?
[12:20] <jonathonf> hmm, let me have a look in my kubuntu vm...
[12:20] <jonathonf> that just ignored my esc press
[12:21] <jonathonf> must be down topreparation for the new xsplash
[12:21] <mrmcq2u> crud
[12:21] <jonathonf> have to edit the grub settings...
[12:21] <mrmcq2u> wanted to enable dri2 on my card
[12:21] <jonathonf> gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[12:31] <vistakiller> why the software-store is not appear in menu?
[12:44] <mrmcq2u> why is dri2 not enabled by default?
[12:44] <mrmcq2u> my card supports it
[12:50] <unggnu> hi all
[12:50] <unggnu> Has anyone here a Dell INspiron 1525 and problems with WLAN?
[12:59] <pavkamlc_nb> please help me. I update karmic day by day and two days before after I reboot, I get only output to message "Starting NTP server ntpd" and then system freeses. I can write to console, but system dont respond
[13:00] <pavkamlc_nb> I dont found any relevant bug on launchpad
[13:00] <lupine_85> ooer, I'm trying to convince the packaged gnome-shell to run, and it's complaining about a lack of libclutter-glx-1.0.so - luckily, it's just a missing link
[13:02] <pavkamlc_nb> I think, my problem is upstart relative
[13:04] <unggnu> pavkamlc_nb: try to use the recovery boot option, if this doesn't help I guess you need a Live CD and to chroot into your system
[13:05] <BUGabundo> morning
[13:05] <pavkamlc_nb> unggnu: Recovery start the same. I can chroot by init=/bin/bash
[13:10] <junkY_San> does anyone know a widget for kde which displays the remaining battery time?
[13:10] <junkY_San> i only find indicators with %
[13:14] <unggnu> pavkamlc_nb: then chroot and update your system
[13:17] <phiphi> Hello, does anyone know if there's a way to have a virtual machine with 2 (virtual) monitors ?
[13:17] <phiphi> I'd like to test a few problems in Karmic that encounter with the current release
[13:20] <BUGabundo> phiphi: only real machine
[13:20] <BUGabundo> with _ocasional_ multimonitor
[13:20] <BUGabundo> what's up ?
[13:21] <phiphi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/324506
[13:21] <phiphi> But I fear the bug with grub that won't let you start another system
[13:22] <BUGabundo> phiphi: you can _fix_ the grub bug, by running update-grub, can you not?
[13:22] <phiphi> i haven't installed it yet
[13:22] <phiphi> ist this all i have to do to fix it?
[13:28] <phiphi> BUGabundo: The Problems are the following:
[13:28] <phiphi>  - At Startup, when Gnome is starting, for a moment, the area where I can move the mouse is a field in the upper left of screen 1 with the size of the resolution of the second screen
[13:28] <phiphi>  - Suddenly I can't reach the second screen with the mouse, when I reach the border of screen 1 the mouse jumps back to the other side of the same screen.
[13:28] <phiphi> - Splash-Screens of Apps like OpenOffice appear ugly somewhere near the border between the screens
[13:28] <phiphi> - Java Apps have problems with this setup. e.g. JAlbum crashes on startup; In TuxGuitar the lines have the lenght of both screens, even though the window is smaller > Vertical scrolling necessary
[13:28] <phiphi> - When one changes the screen with the mouse, an image of the cursor rests on the last position on the previous screen.
[13:28] <phiphi> - (My smaller screen 2 is aligned right bottom of screen 1) When you "slip" with the mouse over the upper right border of s1, the cursor jumps down to where s2 begins. This is annoying. Better: in Windows (Sorry) the cursor stops like in every other border, except where the second screen touches, the border is "open".
[13:28] <RainCT> Hey
[13:28] <slacker_nl> does anyone know how to get the information like they report it in this bug report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=529882 with the $package depends, suggests, recommends stuff? i would like to issue a command that reports the same information in the same format for ubuntu bug
[13:29] <RainCT> I've just updated my Eeepc 1005HA to Karmic and now the WLAN doesn't work (the "wireless network" checkbox in nm-applet's right click menu is disabled by default and checking it on a left click it still shows "the device isn't ready"). Any idea?
[13:32] <jonathonf> does it use a broadcom chipset?
[13:32] <jonathonf> do you have the broadcom firmware installed?
[13:32] <drs305> slacker_nl:  Have you run "ubuntu-bug <packagename>"?  You can try "ubuntu-bug gimp" as a test. Then instead of sending it, view the info to see if that is the type of info you are seeking.
[13:33] <slacker_nl> drs305: i usually don't run ubuntu-bug <package>, i report them directly to launchpad
[13:34] <drs305> slacker_nl:  I referenced it just for the automatic info-gathering it provides.
[13:35] <slacker_nl> drs305: k
[13:35] <RainCT> jonathonf: it's an Atheros AR9285 (and supposed to work out of the box on Karmic)
[13:36] <jonathonf> RainCT: does dmesg show anything useful?
[13:39] <RainCT> No (there's only a "phy0: Atheros AR9285 MAC/BB Rev:2 AR5133 RF REv:e0: mem=...., irq17" line and after that "cfg080211: World regulatory domain updated:" and a list of frequencies)
[13:40] <jonathonf> have you checked in /etc/network/interfaces to check it's not being messed with? the only thing there should be an entry for lo
[13:40] <RainCT> yeah
[13:40] <jonathonf> hmm
[13:41] <jonathonf> last thing i can think is that's it's trying to use the wrong driver
[13:41] <jonathonf> but i don't know which one it should be using :D
[13:41] <jonathonf> i seem to remember i previously had to blacklist ath5k on my 701
[13:43] <slacker_nl> drs305: dpkg -l $(aptitude search -F '%p' ~i ~Rguessnet) this takes care of the depends section, the suggests is more tricky
[13:43] <RainCT> ohh, got it working (removed some eeepc-* packages I had and -jaunty-backports)
[13:43] <drs305> :-)
[13:43] <RainCT> thanks jonathonf
[13:44] <RainCT> now I need to figure out how to fix the fan speed, before the fan explodes :P
[13:44] <jonathonf> lol
[13:50] <RainCT> (ohh, at least I have compositing now :))
[14:06] <Pretto> gnome-volume-control only works with pulseaudio?
[14:09] <kklimonda> Pretto, yes
[14:17] <funkyHat> One of my soundcards has disappeared in the last set up updates :(
[14:18] <funkyHat> It's an AC'97
[14:19] <jonathonf> i reinstalled alpha 6 using the minimal method, replacing an upgraded jaunty a3->...->karmic and stuff doesn't work as well as it did before. screen updates are jerky, memory usage is higher, boot is slower. it's completely opposite to how it should be
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> funkyHat: if you run: lspci | grep -i audio    you will see its not
[14:19] <funkyHat> ActionParsnip: yes, it appears in lspci, but alsa doesn't see it
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> funkyHat: then use the output of lspci to install the card as if it never worked. yuo may need to compile alsa
[14:21] <funkyHat> ActionParsnip: could it be a udev bug (not working out the right module to load)?
[14:21] <funkyHat> I don't know how much alsa's drivers are separated into different modules
[14:21] <jonathonf> is preload useful any more?
[14:21] <ActionParsnip> possibly, im not familiar with the bug
[14:21] <tormod> jonathonf, memory usage and boot slowness is probably the new gnome, couchdb etc, but screen updates? what graphic card?
[14:21] <jonathonf> tormod: nvidia 9600gt, 190.32 drivers from vdpau team ppa
[14:22] <tormod> jonathonf, ugh binary driver, no idea
[14:22] <jonathonf> yeah, i know... but i like playing games :D
[14:22] <jonathonf> i'm well impressed how well CoD4 and RA3 run under WINE
[14:23] <tormod> jonathonf, I would also recommend a fresh install, there always a bit of cruft left after such a long upgrade path
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> jonathonf: some run great, some wont even install
[14:24] <jonathonf> i just did a fresh install :D though it was a netboot->minimal->gnome-core route this time
[14:25] <tormod> jonathonf, oh I understand. so fresh install is slower than the upgraded one?
[14:25] <jonathonf> yup
[14:25] <tormod> jonathonf, could it be you did not have ubuntu-desktop installed on the old?
[14:26] <jonathonf> old install was a normal install from a LiveCD, this one doesn't have ubuntu-desktop etc., so no evolution etc to take up resources
[14:27] <jonathonf> hasn't seemed to make much difference on this laptop though. made a huge difference on my eeepc and in a VM
[14:27] <ActionParsnip> is it just me or is the keyserver going damn slow
[14:27] <tormod> jonathonf, do you have couchdb (desktopcouch) installed?
[14:28] <jonathonf> i'll have a look
[14:28] <jonathonf> nope
[14:32] <funkyHat> Well snd_ac97_codec and snd_atiixp are both loaded, but nothing appears in alsamixer
[14:33] <ActionParsnip> funkyHat: maybe you need to add some options to the modprobe for yuor soundcard
[14:36] <taneli> hmm.. policykit prevents me from listening to music?
[14:37] <taneli> music starts playing, but will mute after a few seconds
[14:37] <jonathonf> lol - have you been a naughty boy and have had your privileges removed?
[14:37] <jonathonf> actually that was a really bad joke
[14:37]  * jonathonf hides
[14:39] <taneli> removing polkitd didn't help (but syslog shows rtkit-daemon asking for it)
[14:40] <jonathonf> hmm... my nvidia card is stuck at maximum performance... that probably is symptomatic
[14:41] <jonathonf> it's not detecting whether i'm on ac or battery... i wonder if it's the nvidia-settings version
[14:43] <om26er> no live cd of ubuntu moblin remix after 14th september, why?
[14:43] <jonathonf> maybe it's changing to a usb image?
[14:43]  * jonathonf is guessing
[14:44] <om26er> jonathonf: nice try
[14:44] <funkyHat> Restarting seems to have fixed my issue, weird
[14:52] <siegie> jonathonf: adaptive performance is working for me, even on AC
[14:53] <jonathonf> yeah, it was previously. I think the minimal approach misses stuff (i just found sreadhead wasn't installed); i've just installed some libsensor stuff, hopefully that will help
[14:53] <jonathonf> i think i might even have to install ubuntu-desktop :(
[14:54] <tgpraveen> !info pulseaudio
[15:00] <jonathonf> hah, no acpi-support installed. that wouldn't help. i'm giving up and installing ubuntu-desktop
[15:01] <Twigathy> I'm waiting on bug #430348 to be fixed before doing any more upgrades :(
[15:02] <penguin42> you're running NFS root?
[15:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:04] <BUGabundo> o/
[15:05] <Twigathy> penguin42: yep
[15:05]  * penguin42 is getting rather clicky audio today - I thought that had gone away a couple of kernel versions ago :-(
[15:05] <BUGabundo> penguin42: check the gain in paman
[15:05] <BUGabundo> seems it was changed for some cards
[15:05] <Twigathy> penguin42: I did an update and everything broke >_< had to hack around and roll back a pile of changes
[15:05] <BUGabundo> just set it to 100% and you will be fine
[15:07] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Hmm I've done that - what makes you think it's that?
[15:07] <BUGabundo> penguin42: happens to me from time to time
[15:07] <BUGabundo> two days ago it was on 49% :)
[15:08] <penguin42> interesting - it's apparently not just a PAism - someone was bitching to me about their Fedora install that they had running without PA also doing clicking
[15:09] <BUGabundo> well the driver is in the kernel
[15:09] <BUGabundo> PA is just the server
[15:10] <penguin42> yeh but there has been quite a bit of stuff with priorities on the PA process and tuning it that's produced drops and clicks in the past
[15:16] <Dr_Willis> I still get clicks and clunks and thunks in the sound. :()
[15:17] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, yeah PA has changed for my card , a C-Media 18738, it works properly with smooth clean sound, finally .
[15:19] <BUGabundo> \o/
[15:20]  * lupine_85 starts to get irritated by palimwotsit
[15:21] <penguin42> the disk thingy?
[15:23] <penguin42> speaking of which - is anyone using encrypted disks and has the padlock emblem just disappeared for them?
[15:24] <oldude67> well should i back up all my files before i do the next update..lol
[15:24] <Dr_Willis> I alwyas do
[15:25] <oldude67> i should of last update...what a nightmare.
[15:29] <BluesKaj> oldude67, yeah it was a bit of a mess alright ,but I managed to save all my data altho some apps disappeared , but their config files fortunately didn't . I used the karmic alpha 5 live cd to reinstall on  /  using the manual partitoning option
[15:34] <BluesKaj> For what it's worth , I should also mention, this method retained all the desktop and system settings too.
[15:35] <jonathonf> ok, not sure which package it was but now it's back up to normal speed
[15:37] <BUGabundo> I keep losing my shortcuts from compiz
[15:37] <BUGabundo> the bug is marked as HIGH but no comment on it for 3 days :(
[15:43] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Some of these things depend on the package maintainer for it - e.g. maybe he's away this weekend or has some higher priority ones - or alternatively maybe he hasn't slept for 3 days figuring out your bug but still hasn't got anything to report....
[15:44] <BUGabundo> I know
[15:44] <lupine_85> that's alright, I have an LTSP bug that's not been commented on for a month or so
[15:44] <BUGabundo> but sucks that everytime I boot, I can't use alt+tab
[15:51] <BluesKaj> what's gdb ? it using 85% of cpu proc
[15:51] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It's a debugger
[15:51] <penguin42> BluesKaj: If I was to guess (which I am) then appport is probably using it to generate a backtrace
[15:53] <BluesKaj> right i just got a popup saying plasma crashed but that happens all the time when I launch kate or the konsole , then it restores quickly
[15:54] <BluesKaj> killed it
[15:55] <penguin42> it just looks like that time apport took a while to get a backtrace
[15:56] <BluesKaj> are you guys getting crash niotices at boot up ?
[15:57] <penguin42> yeh, a whole bucket of them
[15:57] <BluesKaj> yeatrday i had 5 or so , today one
[15:57] <BluesKaj> yesterday
[15:57] <penguin42> nod
[15:59] <BUGabundo> no crashes
[15:59] <BUGabundo> just a bunch of UDEV errors
[16:02] <BluesKaj> I received crash notices, but only one today so the update must have had some fixes
[16:02] <BluesKaj> updated last night
[16:03] <penguin42> (Oh, someone was asking about VirtualBox yesterday - seems to work OK here)
[16:04] <mikefletcher> Does anyone know how to boot into text mode on the livecd?  I tried replacing 'quiet splash' with 'text' but it didn't work on the latest alpha.
[16:04] <BluesKaj> penguin42, what are you running in VB ?
[16:04] <penguin42> BlueI've got a few things; I've got one VM that I store on a crypted disc for banking, and I have another just for fiddling - in this case I'm trying an Arch install
[16:05] <BluesKaj> ok penguin42 , I was considering dumping the W7 partition and running it on VB
[16:05] <BluesKaj> doubt if VB can handle it yet
[16:06] <penguin42> you might find it works on one of the other windows settings
[16:17] <sinan> i have recently upgraded my packages, now ubuntu can't start normally. It doesn't start any GUI, and it doesn't recognize any network devices. Any ideas what could be the problem or how to solve it?
[16:18] <penguin42> sinan: Does it give you a login: prompt or a # prompt?
[16:18] <sinan> penguin42: yes, after it loads i get a login prompt and i can login fine
[16:18] <sinan> this is how i figured there is no network support, after logging in, running "ifconfig" gives nothing
[16:18] <sinan> running "iwconfig" does show my wlan0 interface
[16:18] <sinan> doesn't* (sorry)
[16:19] <penguin42> sinan: does /dev/pts exist for you?
[16:19] <sinan> i am not sure, what difference does it make ?
[16:20] <sinan> i'd like to collect "things i could do", and restart, and try them
[16:20] <sinan> so, first thing, i need to check if i have /dev/pts
[16:20] <sinan> what else?
[16:20] <penguin42> it's just a thought given a few other bugs people have reported
[16:20] <penguin42> what happens if you do startx ?
[16:21] <sinan> i didn't try that, i tried sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start, it didn't report any errors, but nothing happened
[16:21] <sinan> also tried /etc/init.d/x11-common start, nothing happened (no errors, nothing)
[16:21] <sinan> i'll try startx
[16:21] <sinan> any other suggestions?
[16:21] <penguin42> when X doesn't start get the errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:22] <sinan> i feel a package could have broken something up, could i somehow do a consistency check on the packages from the live cd ? (which i am now running)
[16:22] <sinan> alright, i'll mark that file :)
[16:26] <penguin42> sinan: Can you do an lspci | grep -i vga
[16:27] <sinan> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[16:27] <sinan> i used to have tons of problems with the vga on 9.04, that's why i decided to go for 9.10 (ever since alpha 3)
[16:28] <penguin42> ok, a 965 - I've got a 945 that's OK
[16:28] <penguin42> sinan: Also, get the output of dmesg
[16:28] <sinan> alright :) i'll add it to the list
[16:29] <sinan> i am doing some fsck's now, just for good measure
[16:29] <sinan> the hard disk has been reporting some bad sectors through SMART recently, that could be the problem too I guess
[16:30] <penguin42> ah
[16:30] <penguin42> still, dmesg output might show some of that; output of smartctl -a then
[16:31] <sinan> alright :)
[16:48] <feedt> hi where can i find menu.lst in karmic?
[16:48] <feedt> it ain't there in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[16:48] <penguin42> karmic has switched to grub2 - not quite sure where everything is
[16:49] <feedt> :/ i lost my windows 7 installation.. help
[16:49] <BluesKaj> feedt, grub2 is the default in karmic
[16:49] <BluesKaj> !grub2
[16:49] <alankila> feedt: install os-prober if you don't have that, then try to run update-grub
[16:49] <feedt> ok trying that
[16:50] <alankila> if that doesn't work then manual work is required...
[16:50] <Dr_Willis> How smart is the installer if one uses it to install to a external USB hard drive? Just wondering if it still messed up the grub configs.
[16:50] <alankila> I had problems witn win xp because os-prober wasn't installed for some reason
[16:51] <feedt> /dev/sda2:Windows 7 (loader):Windows:chain
[16:51] <feedt> whew .. now what?
[16:52] <feedt> update-grub says it found windows 7 .. cool
[16:52] <feedt> how do i check before rebooting?
[16:53] <Dr_Willis> That is a neat trick.
[16:53] <Dr_Willis> Ive no idea how you test. :)
[16:53] <Dr_Willis> you could look in the /boot/grub/grub.cfg i guess
[16:53] <feedt> its blank :S
[16:53] <Dr_Willis> did you upgrade? or do a clean install  to get 9.10?
[16:53] <feedt> clean
[16:54] <feedt> ok.. my mistake .. sudo lets me read it :P
[16:54] <Dr_Willis> sudo cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[16:54] <Dr_Willis> :0
[16:54] <Dr_Willis> :)
[16:54] <Dr_Willis> its flagged where you cant normally alter/view it.
[16:54] <feedt> whew i see the windows entry .. restarting
[16:54] <feedt> btw thx alankila and Dr_Willis
[16:55] <alankila> yw.
[16:55] <Dr_Willis> Bah - who needs winders
[16:56] <penguin42> tape owners
[17:05] <bullgard4> How can I (temporarily) switch my Ubuntu 9.10 to another language (locale)? There is no longer a menu available on the lower left on the login screen.
[17:06] <penguin42> bullgard4: Do you get the menu after selecting the user?
[17:06] <bullgard4> penguin42: No.
[17:06] <penguin42> oh, I see it - at the bottom when I've selected the username
[17:12] <bullgard4> penguin42: Thank you very much for your help. I have found it now. It is actually in the bottom-most line, and I had overlooked it.
[17:13] <penguin42> yes - when you selected that did it work OK - for me it seemd to get a bit confused?
[17:16] <Seren__> hi there, is Kubuntu supposed to use xsplash ?
[17:17] <Seren__> I have read something about ksplashx but it is not available (yet?)
[17:18] <floating1> anyone had problems with alpha5 and alpha6 or do i have some new hardware problems
[17:19] <floating1> during the installation open office packages fails to install or smth, system laggy etc... while alpha3 was still working perfectly
[17:20] <Seren__> there was a big breakage just before alpha6 was released
[17:20] <djdarkman> how does the recovery mode work in Karmic?
[17:20] <Seren__> related to init xsplash/upsplash but it is now fixed as far as I can tell
[17:20] <djdarkman> does it work et all?
[17:23] <Seren__> djdarkman: IIRC you need to press SHIFT to enter grub2 menu
[17:24] <Seren__> (it was ESC under grub1)
[17:24] <djdarkman> Seren__: but it starts GDM :(
[17:26] <Seren__> djdarkman:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/431176
[17:26] <Seren__> it seems there is a bug :)
[17:27] <djdarkman> yes I know I found it too, but it doesn't make me happy, because I'm in desperate need of it :(
[17:27] <Seren__> from the description it is fixed
[17:27] <Seren__> you can't upgrade ?
[17:28] <Seren__> or chroot from a livecd ?
[17:28] <djdarkman> it's sort of complicated, I gave my netbook to my GF and she needs root to be able to connect to her ADSL modem Seren__ ....
[17:30] <Seren__> if you manage to go far enough, you can try CTRL + ALT + F2 to get to a console
[17:30] <Seren__> but I guess you can't
[17:30] <djdarkman> Seren__: is there a boot parameter that ubuntu respects? cause as I see it it totally ignores "single"
[17:32] <Seren__> I don't know...
[18:06] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[18:13] <sinan> penguin42: xorg log http://pastie.org/623680.txt and dmesg output http://pastie.org/623682.txt
[18:14] <sinan> penguin42: and there was no /dev/pts
[18:14] <sinan> and smartctl didn't work cause i don't have smartmontools installed (and couldn't install cause there is network)
[18:25] <penguin42> sinan: Ah, another victim of missing /dev/pts
[18:25] <jarnos> I am using Xubuntu. Sometimes system seems to freeze at boot. Reboot helps. No splash screen.
[18:26] <penguin42> sinan: We've had 3 of those this weekend on here
[18:26] <sinan> penguin42: what's the solution?
[18:27] <penguin42> sinan: I don't know - I've just been seeing others here with it
[18:27] <jarnos> Do you get splash screen at startup?
[18:28] <penguin42> sinan: I suggest you subscribe to bug 404421
[18:29] <jarnos> Does someone get splash screen at startup?
[18:30] <ActionParsnip> Jamos: i do
[18:33] <jarnos> ActionParsnip, thanks for information. BTW you may have too small font in your IRC client.
[18:34] <ActionParsnip> jarnos: its 12pt. Looks fine here
[18:35] <ActionParsnip> jarnos: see above, jamos sory, wrong target
[18:37] <penguin42> sinan: You could try downloading the package that someone has posted on there for testing, it's a replacement for a kernel, if you install it then you would have to make to select that one on the next boot - might be worth it
[18:40] <sinan> penguin42: i don't see the link you are talking about
[18:40] <penguin42> sinan: In Loic's comment number 9 there is a deb
[18:42] <sinan> penguin42: checking, thanks a lot :)
[18:42] <penguin42> sinan: I also suggest subscribe to that bug and give some details of your system
[18:50] <bullgard4> What is the pathname of the profile folder of seamonkey-chatzilla?
[18:51] <Seren__> is xplash supposed to be installed for kubuntu users ?
[18:51] <madmac2501> hi
[18:51] <madmac2501> i have installed ubuntu karmic alpha 6, but it hangs lots of times, i dont know if it it the kernel or the x, because i have an intel graphic card
[18:51] <madmac2501> how could i report the bugs?
[18:52] <bullgard4> madmac2501: You will need to report error messages.
[18:52] <madmac2501> bullgard4, but if all freezes...
[18:52] <madmac2501> which logs should i see?
[18:53] <penguin42> madmac2501: It freezes once already logged in or earlier?
[18:53] <bullgard4> madmac2501: Not all freezes. dmesg and startup logs have certainly been written before any freeze.
[18:53] <madmac2501> i log in, but then after starting almost any application all hangs
[18:53] <bullgard4> madmac2501: /var/log/syslog
[18:53] <madmac2501> i cannot even do ctr+alt+number to change to another session
[18:54] <madmac2501> /var/log/syslogs is persistent? or it is erased on reboot?
[18:54] <bullgard4> madmac2501: You made a mistake: You did not read the warning about Karmic. Now you are complaining.
[18:54] <penguin42> madmac2501: Persistant
[18:55] <madmac2501> bullgard4, i am not complaining, i want to help
[18:55] <madmac2501> and i did read the warning
[18:55] <penguin42> madmac2501: Gnome or KDE? Can you still ping the machine? What graphics chip?
[18:56] <madmac2501> penguin42, i use gnome, i have only this machine so i cannot ping it, and the graphics chip is an intel, but dont know exactly which one
[18:56] <penguin42> madmac2501: Do you have desktop effects enabled?
[18:57] <madmac2501> penguin42, i think not, but let me check
[18:57] <madmac2501> penguin42, no, desktop effects are disabled
[18:58] <penguin42> hmm ok
[18:58] <penguin42> madmac2501: when it stops is it completely dead - e.g. does the mouse pointer still move and/or capslock light?
[18:59] <madmac2501> the mouse continues, but the desktop is dead, and the keyboard doesnt respond
[18:59] <penguin42> I've seen that in the past - haven't seen it for a while
[18:59] <madmac2501> the graphic card is a 82865G integrated graphics controller
[18:59] <jtheuer> which networkmanager applet will be the default in karmic? networkmanagement or network-manager ?
[19:00] <penguin42> madmac2501: The only thing I can suggest is to file a bug on it - giving all details of your hardware;
[19:00] <madmac2501> penguin42, in which bugzilla?
[19:00] <penguin42> madmac2501: launchpad.net/ubuntu
[19:00] <madmac2501> penguin42, thanks, i will do
[19:01] <penguin42> madmac2501: I'd put in the title the model/make of machine
[19:01] <madmac2501> penguin42, ok, this is a generic one sold by dell
[19:01] <robin0800> madmac2501: any idea what driver its using eax uax?
[19:01] <penguin42> madmac2501: Good, put the dell model in the title
[19:02] <madmac2501> robin0800, in the karmic update it says that it use uax, but dont know which one is using in the practice
[19:02] <madmac2501> robin0800, if you tell me how to know it is using...
[19:04] <madmac2501> well, i will try to crash this and report it, thanks to all
[19:05] <robin0800> madmac2501: if it worked before perhaps change it back to eax  this info is in /var/log/Xorg.log
[19:05] <albert23> madmac2501: the intel 865G freezing is a known problem. There is a kernel fix upstream (not in Kamic yet)
[19:06] <robin0800> albert23: whats the bug number?
[19:06] <madmac2501> albert23, ah, ok, do you know when it will be in karmic?
[19:07] <albert23> bug 407793
[19:07] <albert23> madmac2501: I don't know if and when it will be in Karmic
[19:07] <opica> Hello. I have a problem with the newest alpha. I can't get in gnome, just xterm.
[19:07] <madmac2501> albert23, ok, thanks
[19:09] <opica> And can't add gnome in synaptic also., because of unresolvable dependencies.
[19:11] <BluesKaj> strange , the time won't set properly on our karmic laptop . We're using the calendar widget to set the time and locale
[19:20] <ActionParsnip> opica: did you install the desktop ISO?
[19:21] <opica> yes, karmic-desktop iso. I got it from distrowatch.
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> opica: did you md5 test the iso?
[19:22] <opica> no.
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> opica: why not?
[19:22] <opica> I almost never do that.
[19:22] <dutchie> are there plans afoot to make the login screen fit better into the xsplash themes?
[19:23] <opica> I guess I should.
[19:23] <Laney> of course there are
[19:23] <ActionParsnip> opica: dont you think you should, make sure the data is good. Yuo have no way of knowing if its downloaded successfully without testing
[19:26] <simontol> Hi, anyone here who knows why I can't change the user image on kubuntu karmic?
[19:26] <opica> But if I mark gnome in synaptic and get an error message about unresolvable dependencies. Gnome-desktop-environment it is not going to be installed. And - gnome-vfs-obexftp but it is not installable.?
[19:35] <penguin42> There's a bug #432901 for those of you who have the /dev/pts missing at boot
[19:49] <Traveler> dose fglrx work with 9.10?
[19:50] <Guest21780> .....
[19:52] <Lenin_Cat> anyone?...
[19:55] <bjsnider> as long as it builds with the .31 kernel
[19:55] <bjsnider> and it supports your hardware
[19:56] <acicula> anyone know a workaround for this issue : https://bugs.launchpad.net/modemmanager/+bug/430576
[19:57] <Lenin_Cat> bjsnider, I dont build, I jsut use binarys
[19:58] <mikedep333> hey, was tracker removed between jaunty and karmic?
[19:58] <bjsnider> yes but the driver has to be compiled into the kernel, and last i heard fglrx didn't support the .31 kernel. or maybe there's been an update. whatever.
[19:58] <acicula> endeavormac: mikedep333 seems so, maybe it got replaced with something else
[20:00] <mikedep333> acicula, yeah
[20:00] <mikedep333> since I switched over to google's web interfaces, it is less relevant for me though
[20:01] <acicula> eh?
[20:01] <mikedep333> I am now using http://www.gmail.com for IM and email. I no longer need tracker to look through pidgin and evolution conversations.
[20:03] <Lenin_Cat> you cant use MSN on gmail
[20:03] <Lenin_Cat> -_-
[20:03] <mikedep333> is that a good thing or a bad thing?
[20:04] <mikedep333> BING!!!
[20:05] <acicula> eh?
[20:05] <bjsnider> there's beagle and tracker for desktop search purposes. each has strengths and weaknesses
[20:05] <bullgard4> My Ubuntu 9.10 shows the GNOME panels with version 2.27.92. Is this version to be expected the final version for the official Ubuntu 9.10 release?
[20:06] <bjsnider> it will be 2.28
[20:06] <mikedep333> I'm just making fun of microsoft
[20:06] <bjsnider> right now gnome 2.28 is at rc1
[20:06] <mikedep333> I like some of the results here
[20:06] <mikedep333> http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=microsoft&FORM=BIFD
[20:06] <mikedep333> the bug
[20:06] <bullgard4> bjsnider: Ah, ok. Thank you for explaining.
[20:06] <mikedep333> "titanic 98"
[20:08] <BluesKaj> my time zone is fast by 4 hrs , thinks I'm in UK not EDT Canada, no matter what it won't change and the timeset no matter what
[20:08] <BluesKaj> I do
[20:09] <bjsnider> is there a bug about that issue?
[20:09] <BluesKaj> the BIOS clock is correct , cuz windows is correct
[20:10] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, you have tried to change the timezone right?
[20:10] <BluesKaj> there was on jaunty but I don't see one now
[20:10] <BluesKaj> yup, several times bjsnider
[20:10] <bjsnider> ssytem>time & date
[20:11] <wastrel> im upgrading my koala
[20:12] <TLF> hello
[20:12] <TLF> does pulseaudio depends on ubuntu?
[20:12] <TLF> I mean, can we work without pulseaudio?
[20:12] <acicula> Ubuntu uses pulseaudio
[20:12] <BluesKaj> bjsnider: let me rephrase that, it changes for the session , reverts back to UK time when I reboot
[20:12] <acicula> TLF: yes
[20:13] <TLF> but at least the pulseaudio hangs my audio system
[20:13] <TLF> and I need to manually kill it
[20:13] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, check the bios clock
[20:13] <acicula> TLF: you get no sound you mean?
[20:13] <TLF> yep
[20:14] <TLF> my sound system gets locked
[20:14] <BluesKaj> BIOS clock is correct
[20:14] <TLF> but manually killing it, It works
[20:14] <acicula> TLF: if pulseaudio is using your system you cant access sound directly, have to go through pulseaudio in that case
[20:14] <acicula> TLF: what program isnt working?
[20:14] <TLF> when this hangs, all using audio
[20:14] <TLF> audacious, pidgin...
[20:14] <acicula> define hangs
[20:15] <TLF> can't access audio
[20:15] <TLF> it's random
[20:15] <TLF> and the programs keep running, just no audio
[20:15] <TLF> untill i kill pulseaudio prog
[20:15] <acicula> you can check what is using your audio by typing lsof /dev/snd/*, maybe that can tell you what is blocking sound?
[20:16] <TLF> going to check the next time this happens, thanks, acicula  :)
[20:16] <TLF> well, it happened
[20:16] <TLF> lol
[20:16] <bjwebb> hi
[20:17] <bjwebb> in karmic, my graphics (intel) have suddenly got rather slow... is this a known issue?
[20:17] <TLF> http://pastebin.com/f2bb911aa
[20:18] <bjwebb> xorg is consuming up to 80% of my cpu
[20:18] <TLF> interesting killing 5674 (pulseaudio) thing continue to work
[20:19] <acicula> TLF: that looks normal tbh, guess it's pulseaudio acting up , or flash, that generally causes audio hickups with me
[20:19] <zaccour> i'm about to install alpha 6. how is it?
[20:20] <acicula> zaccour: alpha :)
[20:21] <zaccour> i know its alpha, how is it?
[20:21] <bjsnider> very alpha-6-ish
[20:21] <acicula> awesome, and some things dont work very well, but that's just my experience which may be very different to everyon elses
[20:21] <Rods_Tiger> I can't create a karmic kubuntu netbook usb stick that works. The usual instructions that work don't work this time.
[20:21] <acicula> qed
[20:22] <alankila> damn, another update to karmic & this time no other apps but pulseaudio apps make any sound... I used to have a way to make java apps still make sound a while ago. Another boring debugging session ahead.
[20:22] <acicula> suspend/resume seems faster then on jaunty
[20:22] <Rods_Tiger> It seems to create a usb stick with all the stuff on there but it can't boot, or can't find anything to boot into - not sure what's happening precisely
[20:22]  * bjwebb wonders if there have been any big changes to xorg/intel stuff
[20:22] <bjwebb> alankila: had similar problem with frozen-bubble
[20:22] <acicula> bjwebb: there have been
[20:22] <acicula> bjwebb: runs the latest intel driver
[20:23] <bjwebb> acicula: recently? as in last two days?
[20:23] <acicula> dont think so
[20:24] <bjwebb> hmmm,  any ideas why i've just got ridiculously high cpu usage by xorg?
[20:24] <zaccour> do the people using alpha not really know how it is? lol
[20:25] <alankila> damnit, I wish there was a way to get pa support into sun java... or to have the alsa crap redirection work, or whatever
[20:25] <bjwebb> zaccour: it was okay until my graphics turned into treacle
[20:25] <zaccour> jaunty is the fastest so far. how is the speed for karmic?
[20:26] <bjsnider> bjsnider, the intel driver is in the middle of a huge architectural change
[20:26] <bjsnider> meant that for bjwebb
[20:26] <DWonderly> Is there a separate channel for Plasma-netbook issues?
[20:26] <Rods_Tiger> on ordinary karmic, has google-gadgets started working yet?
[20:26] <bjsnider> so there are klots of bugs in it, ever since jaunty
[20:26] <zaccour> whats plasma netbook?
[20:27] <duffydack> just installed alpha6, upgraded it, and I just looked in the services application and there is hardly anything ticked.  I mean, usually there is anacron, atd, gdm, power management...
[20:27] <bjwebb> bjsnider: so, my problem is most likely known about?...
[20:27] <DWonderly> zaccour: Plasma is the KDE netbook
[20:27] <bjsnider> bjwebb, i would say yup to that
[20:27] <bjwebb> bjsnider: or should i report it (its only started this afternoon, i upgraded yesterday morning and it was fine)
[20:27] <zaccour> DWonderly, i didn't have a good experience with kubuntu recently
[20:27] <bjwebb> bjsnider: its just, i can accept this kind of breakage in an alpha, but i really want it to be fixed for release
[20:28] <DWonderly> zaccour: Neither did I till 4.3
[20:28] <bjsnider> bjwebb, did you upgrade from jaunty?
[20:28] <bjwebb> how do i find out which driver i am using?
[20:28] <bjwebb> bjsnider: yeah
[20:28] <B_lix> why i cannot enable the desktop effect in karmic koala
[20:29] <bjwebb> bjsnider: but, like i say, it worked fine for a day and a half
[20:29] <DWonderly> Problem with it is I did a theme change and when I went back to the air for netbook theme I can't change the top toolbar to back to the smaller size
[20:29] <zaccour> does gyachi work in alpha?
[20:29] <bjsnider> bjwebb, jaunty should have been much worse in this regard
[20:29] <zaccour> there isn't a karmic download on the gyachi site, so don't know
[20:30] <geomi> Hey All. I was trying Karmic alpha6 in virtualbox to see if iSCSI installs now work, so i make my desktop systems diskless instead. However, the installer doesn't prompt me for any iSCSI server with no disks found, and can find no option to activate iSCSI for karmic. any ideas?
[20:30] <bjwebb> bjsnider: well, this atm is a lot worse..
[20:30] <B_lix> please guys i am trying to enable the desktop effect in karmic but i couldnt can someone help me
[20:31] <bjwebb> bjsnider: i wanna check that it is actually using the intel one...
[20:31] <alankila> *sigh* best try openjdk-6-jdk so see if that can replace sun-java6-jdk or if it's Full Of Fail like every other non-sun java so far.
[20:31] <geomi> B_lix: activate video drivers (ati/nvidia)
[20:31] <tormod> B_lix, what card? paste-bin Xorg.0.log
[20:31] <B_lix> nvidia and i dont have xorg.conf file
[20:32] <bjsnider> bjwebb, as long as you're not specifying something else in the xorg.conf file, which ideally doesn't even exist on your system, you are using it
[20:32] <bjwebb> bjsnider: hmmmm
[20:32] <bjsnider> B_lix, use restricted drivers manager to enable the nvidia driver
[20:32] <B_lix> how ?
[20:33]  * bjwebb wishes he could tell where this problem had come from
[20:33] <zaccour> is karmic faster than jaunty?
[20:33] <duffydack> why is pidgin in the taskbar of every desktop?  clicking it switches to the desktop its actually using (no there is nothing new for it to popup/notify me)
[20:33] <bjsnider> B_lix, System>Administration>Hardware Drivers
[20:34] <alankila> hmm. Success with openjdk-6-jdk. Amazing. Last time I tried this, pretty much nothing worked with it. :)
[20:34] <zaccour> is karmic faster than jaunty?
[20:34] <B_lix> nothing over there
[20:34] <B_lix> empty
[20:34] <acicula> zaccour: phoronix
[20:34] <zaccour> whats phoronix?
[20:34] <acicula> has benches
[20:35] <zaccour> what you mean by that?
[20:35] <bjsnider> B_lix, what nvidia card is it?
[20:35] <alankila> I doubt they have tested a non-released ubuntu yet... or what such test results would mean if it's still being tweaked
[20:35] <geomi> zaccour: its a website, google it and read benches
[20:35] <B_lix> i dont know , is there anyway to know
[20:35] <zaccour> actually i was looking for a yes or no when i asked if its faster. most of yall are using it, right?
[20:36] <alankila> zaccour: well, what can we say? It works & seems fast enough to me, but to have an objective answer would of course be nice.
[20:36] <b_lix> back
[20:36] <bjsnider> i don't know how much faster linux can get at this juncture
[20:36] <b_lix> is there any way to know what is the type of the card
[20:37] <b_lix> i have xps m1530
[20:37] <bjsnider> openup a terminal and type lspci
[20:37] <acicula> lspci, dmiinfo ?
[20:37] <acicula> or was it dmidecode ?
[20:37] <geomi> anyone can answer my iSCSI question? i can't seem to install to iSCSI on the karmic6 alpha's, while the release notes say i should "The iSCSI installation process has been improved, and no longer requires..."
[20:38] <b_lix> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G84 [GeForce 8600M GT]
[20:39] <b_lix> now what should i do ?
[20:39] <Rods_Tiger> it'd be nice if karmic were released with an up to date and working google-gadgets. It used to work in 9.04 but doesn't in 9.10
[20:39] <bjsnider> well, it's a little strange that jockey doesn't show you the 185 driver as an option
[20:39] <acicula> zaccour: some are, as to the question is it faster, it depends really, but yeah i'd say once it is finished it will give a better user experience then 9.04
[20:40] <zaccour> acicula, thanks
[20:40] <b_lix> guys now what should i do , please
[20:40] <zaccour> is there any new artwork yet?
[20:40] <geomi> b_lix: install drivers for your videocard, system -> administration -> hardware drivers and activate the nvidia drivers
[20:41] <bjsnider> geomi, he says jockey is empty. i believe it not
[20:41] <acicula> zaccour: since a few days i think
[20:41] <b_lix> there is nothing over there i open up the hardware drivers and nothing over there its empty
[20:41] <zaccour> acicula, thanks
[20:41] <bjwebb> i want to report a bug about high Xorg cpu usage and general slowness... is there anything i can do to help diagnose the problem (compiz also does not work)
[20:41] <geomi> well you can try downloading the nvidia binary installer and running that
[20:41] <zaccour> what about the array kernel, is it necessary for netbooks?
[20:42] <geomi> run it using "sudo sh nvidia-blabla.sh"
[20:42] <b_lix> is there a way to do it from apt ?
[20:42] <Cynthia> The resolution for Bug 431055 works for me, as seen in the git commit diff, but is it a regression if now I must right-click a CD and click Eject before I'm allowed to press the Eject button on the CD-ROM drive?
[20:42] <bjsnider> B_install nvidia-glx-185
[20:42] <b_lix> ok i will do that
[20:43] <b_lix> i am download it from apt , i will let you know guys about it
[20:45] <duffydack> flash performance is terrible in karmic.  a ok in jaunty..  well flash in FF I mean.  Also which services need to be enabled by default?  as the usual stuff, isnt... stuff like gdm, power management I assume need to be...
[20:45] <zaccour> i use gyachi instead of pidgin, but how is empathy as far as replacing pidgin?
[20:46] <bjsnider> i don't know why pidgin needs to be replaced
[20:46] <bjsnider> that's a case of fixing something that ain't broken
[20:47] <geomi> pidgin crashes alot and has tons of security exploits, and is lagging on the protocol support alot
[20:47] <bjsnider> ok, if you say so
[20:47] <geomi> it amazes me an ancient crashing version was adopted for jaunty, i found it remarkable. its devs also dont accept any bug reports from ubuntu users; they first insist you install their latest stable version, which sounds reasonable
[20:48] <bjsnider> the latest version was adopted for jaunty
[20:48] <duffydack> empathy doesnt have the options or plugins pidgin has, and how come you cant block anyone.. only remove..
[20:49] <geomi> the version in apt-get is extremely old, generally such software is only updated whenever there is a (serious) security concern, only then will such software update
[20:49] <duffydack> I`ll stick to pidgin, until empathy does something better.
[20:49] <geomi> as i recall, apt-get had 1.5 or so and the stable version was 2.1.1 i recall. could be wrong, but it doesn't really sound up to date to me
[20:50] <b_lix> i did the download but still doesn't appear in hardware drivers
[20:50] <bjsnider> that's wrong
[20:50] <bjsnider> jaunty == pidgin 2.5.5
[20:50] <acicula> they are up to 2.6.1 now
[20:51] <geomi> hm im using the PPA now so im using 2.6.1 but im sure a bare install of 9.04 will not have 2.5.5 version of pidgin..
[20:51] <bjsnider> major packages cannot be updated after a distro release
[20:51] <acicula> geomi: that's how it supposed to work
[20:51] <bjsnider> it would introduce instability
[20:52] <b_lix> guys i did the download but still doesn't appear in hardware drivers
[20:52] <acicula> and if pidign devs are making an issue out of not backporting older versions and empathy devs will do that i can see why ubuntu would choose another default client
[20:52] <acicula> ^^ that was an assumption
[20:52] <geomi> acicula: except that the version in jaunty crashed alot, when using msn at least, even with no activity from the user. just takes time. segfaults everytime. its a known problem and i used the PPA to fix it. so im not sure about the version i used when i had the segfaults. anyway i dont have them anymore.
[20:53] <duffydack> adding a ppa isnt much, i`ll stick to pidgin.  2.6.1 works fine.
[20:53] <acicula> geomi: yeah it didnt work to well for me either
[20:53] <b_lix> :'(
[20:53]  * BUGabundo is scared about https://launchpad.net/~flash-ubuntu-team
[20:53] <acicula> duffydack: ppa is nice, particularly if you have skills, even more awesome if you have mad skills. However afaik ubuntu aims at the average user, for which mad skills mean turning on the pc
[20:53] <b_lix> :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
[20:53] <bjsnider> geomi, it would. observe: http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/pidgin
[20:54] <duffydack> lol
[20:54] <geomi> right.. so my philosophy would be get a more simpler program for MSN/ICQ/whatever communications, one that has close to zero security exploits (its by design) and generally a lot less code.. but something that works. people who want alot of features (webcams, etc) can look for full-fledged IM-clients like Pidgin (although its lacking in MSN protocol support)
[20:54] <b_lix> i downloaded the 185 nvidia glx still the same problem
[20:54] <bjsnider> b_lix, now use hardware drivers to enable it
[20:55] <b_lix> there is nothing , the same problem
[20:55] <acicula> geomi: doesnt work that way, problems will be found
[20:55] <duffydack> well the average user would need flash support in FF, and having to know what package to install, isnt a lot different than adding a ppa
[20:56] <duffydack> the average user is used to goin to a site , having it pop up and have it install flash for them..
[20:56] <geomi> acicula: yes but will people ever see them? not everyone is going to setup a PPA for an app if it doesn't work.
[20:56] <BUGabundo> duffydack: look at the team. nothing to do with noobs
[20:56] <bjsnider> b_lix, how did you install ubuntu?
[20:56] <acicula> geomi: i'm one of those users
[20:56] <acicula> (the not using ppa)
[20:56] <b_lix> from the CD
[20:57] <bjsnider> which cd?
[20:57] <tj83_> ubuntu+2 lol  10.04 ----> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv1XNZJQcJY
[20:57] <geomi> i like the approach of "give users something that works, instantly" the segfaults should have discovered in beta's and decided to port a newer version of pidgin prior to release. in my view, that is
[20:57] <acicula> geomi: yeh , here's to hoping empathy works better :)
[20:58] <b_lix> ubuntu 9.10 alpha 5
[20:58] <b_lix> then i upgrade it to the latest
[20:59] <bjsnider> then i'm not sure why jcokey didn't immediately pop up and tell you to use the nvidia driver
[20:59] <bjsnider> that's what it's supposed to do
[21:00] <BUGabundo> b_lix: better update regularly
[21:00] <geomi> ay i have GF8600T (he has the M -> mobile version) and i had no problems installing the drivers
[21:00] <duffydack> So anyway..  about pidgin.  Its in my bottom tray, as normal, except its on every desktops tray/taskbar whatever you wanna call it.  Its told to "only this desktop" and it is, its just the panel/tray part thats stuck on every desktop and clicking it brings me to the desktop its running on...
[21:00] <b_lix> i did the upgrade from the apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:01] <bjsnider> sounds like he doesn't have the basic ubuntu-desktop packages
[21:01] <b_lix> is there any other way ?
[21:01] <bjsnider> it includes the modaliases stuff
[21:01] <mrmcq2u> anyone having issues with dri2 on ati?
[21:01] <acicula> duffydack: seems like normal behaviour if it was alread running?
[21:01] <Ian_Corne> duffydack: that's normal
[21:02] <b_lix> how to fix my problem ? please guys i need your help
[21:02] <Ian_Corne> that's the notification system tray thing icon
[21:02] <Ian_Corne> that SHOULD be on every desktop
[21:03] <duffydack> erm, no..
[21:04] <duffydack> not the icon, the panel at bottom for apps.
[21:04] <duffydack> im on another desktop (using compiz btw) and its there, and clicking it takes me to the app on my other virtual desktop.
[21:05] <duffydack> should only appear at all on another desktop if theres some notification of something new, which there isnt..
[21:05] <duffydack> its not like that in my jaunty anyways.
[21:05] <b_lix> help please :'( :'(
[21:07] <duffydack> I hope flash performance improves also, its horrid when switching desktops.. I`ll keep this installed and keep it updated till D-Day and see how it goes.. I`m not gonna get into the sound thing yet...
[21:12] <duffydack> lucid lynx.. hmmm
[21:14] <BUGabundo> errrr
[21:16] <roffe> after the latest upgrade I've got neither add/remove nor software store.. the same for you?
[21:17] <BUGabundo> roffe: you seem to be right
[21:20] <b_lix> guys its working finally :D
[21:21] <b_lix> after i install the nvidia glx 185 and run nvidia-xconfig and then restart my machine , it works very fine
[21:21] <duffydack> same here
[21:21] <b_lix> thanks for the help guys
[21:21] <duffydack> no ubuntu store etc
[21:21] <bjsnider> i wouldn't use nvidia-xonfig
[21:21] <b_lix> why ?
[21:22] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: why?
[21:22] <bjsnider> unless it's been updated recently it creates a generic, old xorg.conf
[21:23] <bjsnider> jockey is there to create a proper one
[21:23] <bjsnider> it would pooch a fedora system
[21:23] <bjwebb> well, that's bizarrre
[21:23] <bjwebb> my graphics are working fine now!
[21:23] <BUGabundo> never had any trouble with it
[21:23] <BUGabundo> oh wait
[21:23] <BUGabundo> I'm messing stuff
[21:23] <bjwebb> i did dist-upgrade again and reboot...
[21:24] <b_lix> it use to crash but after i change the driver from 173 to 185 it works fine
[21:24] <BUGabundo> I use nvidia-*settings*
[21:24] <BUGabundo> not xconfig
[21:24] <bjwebb> compiz even works, and seems smoother than in jaunty
[21:24] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, that's not what i was referring to. nvidia-settings is fine
[21:24] <b_lix> yes it is smoother and nicer
[21:24] <bjwebb> hmmm, are there any tray applet based docks?
[21:25] <bjwebb> actually, what i want is rather complicated, nevermind
[21:26] <bjwebb> wowww, round compiz cube
 after the latest upgrade I've got neither add/remove nor software store.. the same for you? -- It's in System/Administration now, as Add/Remove Applications (same name as before)
[21:27] <duffydack> ahh
[21:29] <nado121> hi
[21:30] <Wistful> The Software Store still missing.
[21:30] <Cynthia> you are right, Wistful
[21:30] <b_lix> whats the best IDE for programming on gnome ?
[21:31] <Wistful> b_lix: Vim text editor
[21:31] <nado121> i got bug 431812, after reboot i get a black screen. with i915.modeset=0 i'm able to login, but as soon as i start X the screen turns black again. any ideas?
[21:31] <Cynthia> b_lix: depends on the programming language
[21:32] <b_lix> java or C or perl or anything the best IDE and language for gnome
[21:32] <b_lix> its better if it have window creator
[21:34] <ellar> hello, one note to the new / changed sound system in karmic: works great, quite easy to use and functional, did reconize my headset together with blueman and works like a charm, switching the output is just great!
[21:34] <duffydack> just tried opera too,  scrolling a page for example with a flash vid playing is awful..
[21:34] <Cynthia> ellar: good :)
[21:34] <duffydack> could it be down to gfx driver?  compiz is smooth as is in jaunty.. using radeon driver
[21:35] <Cynthia> duffydack: using what Flash? Adobe's, Gnash etc.
[21:35] <ali1234> hi. the karmic alpha 6 desktop iso is not bootable from a usb hd. it just says stdin: error 0 then dumps me at a busybox prompt
[21:35] <Cynthia> also, alpha amd64 Adobe or 32-bit?
[21:35] <duffydack> Adobe... anytime Ive tried gnash it wasnt quite upto scatch.
[21:35] <duffydack> scratch *
[21:35] <duffydack> 32bit, sorry
[21:36] <nado121> since i upgraded from 9.04 all i get after booting up is a black screen. what can i do?
[21:36] <Cynthia> mm, I haven't experienced that slowdown in 32-bit
[21:36] <duffydack> its not something that happens in jaunty anyway.
[21:36] <Cynthia> gnash is still slow though, yes
[21:38] <ellar> nado121, same for mee, then appears the X server with login screen
[21:39] <nado121> ellar: X does not crash for you?
[21:39] <ellar> no, as I'm logged in now ;-) but the boot screen before X - there's only a black screen
[21:41] <nado121> ellar: must be a different issue. the bootup runs pretty smooth, i get all the usual notifications. the problem is i get no login screen. with i915.modeset=0 i get a shell, but that's it....
[21:42] <ellar> nado121, oh yes, it's the other way round for me, sorry
[21:47] <mrmcq2u> Anyone got any issues with ATI dri2 on karmic?
[21:50] <nado121> can nobody here help me?
[21:50] <acicula> !ask | nado121
[21:51] <nado121> since i upgraded from 9.04 all i get after booting up is a black screen. what can i do?
[21:51] <BUGabundo> pff acicula beat me to it :\\
[21:51] <nado121> lol
[21:51] <acicula> nado121: tried recovery mode?
[21:51] <nado121> acicula: yup, same issue.
[21:52] <Wistful> nado121: Why did you upgrade while Karmic is in development branch, and not capable of dealing with a broken system?
[21:52] <BUGabundo> eeeheh
[21:52] <nado121> like i said, setting i915.setmode=0 solves the black screen, but leaves me with shell only. as soon as i start X the black screen returns...
[21:53] <BUGabundo> wisful why do you make questions and then run away :)
[21:53] <nado121> BUGabundo: i don't think he got your message :D
[21:53] <acicula> nado121: oh you get a shell, that's half the problem solved already
[21:53] <BUGabundo> you think? eheh
[21:53] <acicula> so it does boot, just X isnt working?
[21:53] <nado121> acicula: exactly
[21:53] <nado121> i got intel integrated graphics btw
[21:54] <acicula> dunno, try the vesa driver
[21:54] <BUGabundo> acicula: won't work
[21:54] <nado121> hmm, should have thought of that
[21:54] <nado121> BUGabundo: why not?
[21:54] <BUGabundo> poor vesa support with new X
[21:55] <nado121> crap
[21:55] <acicula> poor vesa support? heu
[21:55] <nado121> any other ideas?
[21:55] <acicula> downgrade :P?
[21:55] <mrmcq2u> I have one
[21:56] <mrmcq2u> I have the same black screen issue with my ati card when I try to enable dri2
[21:56] <nado121> acicula: hehe, yea... there's no way without having manually backupped the old system, is ther?
[21:56] <nado121> mrmcq2u: i don't use dri2
[21:57] <acicula> nado121: just backup your home, reinstalling ubuntu doesnt take that much time.
[21:57] <acicula> or keep a seperate /hone
[21:57] <acicula> *s/n/m
[21:57] <mrmcq2u> nado121 -> sound sketchy I know but when you get that black screen wait a minute or so press enter and then your password and enter again, wait another minute and then restart the machine and see if the driver falls back to something else
[21:57] <nado121> acicula: hmm... my home is seperate anyways, so i could consider that as a solution...
[21:57] <mrmcq2u> worked for me when I had the issue
[21:58] <mrmcq2u> sound - sounds
[21:58] <nado121> mrmcq2u: lol..will try
[21:58] <mrmcq2u> let me know if that solves it
[21:59] <nado121> anyways. thanks for the ideas guys, i'll see what i can do. gotta go boot the other OS now...
[22:00] <mrmcq2u> I demand some karma if that solution works :D
[22:00] <mrmcq2u> though I reproduced the issue with the ati and that solution worked every time
[22:00] <mrmcq2u> if I didnt log into gnome it would just remain black screen upon restart
[22:12] <Cynthia> mrmcq2u: does that solution allow you to login to a KMS prompt when the cursor is not at top-left?
[22:13] <Cynthia> (i.e., where it would be if it could print "ubuntu\n\nhostname login:" properly)
[22:13] <mrmcq2u> nope
[22:14] <mrmcq2u> could be a different issue alltogether
[22:14] <Cynthia> I had the issue I described with Alpha5 updates
[22:18] <roffe> ok, add/remove is there, but where's the software store?
[22:20] <BUGabundo> roffe: where?
[22:20] <roffe> yes
[22:23] <BUGabundo> roffe: where?
[22:23] <roffe> yes
[22:23] <roffe> :)
[22:24] <roffe> that's what I'm asking
[22:24] <BUGabundo> (10:18:51 PM) roffe: ok, add/remove *is there*, but where's the software store?
[22:25] <roffe> it was in administration
[22:26] <robin0800> BUGabundo: its hidden use edit menu
[22:26]  * BUGabundo checks
[22:26]  * BUGabundo uses Gnome DO super powers
[22:26] <BUGabundo> no looking :)
[22:26] <BUGabundo> WIN
[22:27] <BUGabundo> no stores in here
[22:27] <BUGabundo> $ sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ;
[22:28] <robin0800> BUGabundo: its in administration in mine but when enabled it replaced add/remove
[22:29] <zniavre> good evening
[22:29] <zniavre> there is already a bug report about warnings just after grub, and usplash missing also ?
[22:30] <Cynthia> usplash missing: yes
[22:30] <penguin42> zniavre: the %k error is already a bug
[22:30] <zniavre> so it's already reported nice to heart it
[22:30] <zniavre> thank you
[23:10] <lordgiotto> Hi :) I've a problem with Karmic Alpha 6: ubuntu cannot resolve ip from hostnames. If i try to "apt-get update" it look for a strange ip (1.0.0.0) or if i try to browse with firefox i cannot reach most sites. But, if i ping the hostname of the update server, apt-get update works.... Can someone help me? :)
[23:10] <penguin42> weird!
[23:10] <lordgiotto> penguin42: no differences :\
[23:11] <penguin42> lordgiotto: so what happens if you ping www.google.com ?
[23:11] <lordgiotto> penguin42: google works :P but only it and other few sites
[23:12] <lordgiotto> penguin42: Is there a way to change the resolv order of IPs, right?
[23:12] <penguin42> I think there is, I can't remember it though
[23:15] <Bauldrick> I cant get system to boot in 2.6.31 kernels - It gets stuck with error about 50-udev-default.rules line 3&4 , doesn't understand SYMLINK{unique} I'm having to use 2.6.28. how can i fix this?
[23:17]  * penguin42 hasn't seen it - I wonder what language that's written in - I guess probably a udev special
[23:20] <carl0s-> Any ideas how I can get Karmic to use fglrx instead of radeon? Teewards has screen redraw problems on my FireGL v3200 laptop, the image gets painted over itself. I tried removing xorg-xserver-radeon/ati and installing fglrx, but the system doesn't use it. jockey doesn't offer it either. System only uses either radeon, which looks fine except for teewards, or vesa.
[23:21] <carl0s-> oops, I meant teewars
[23:27] <penguin42> Anyone seeing intermittent problems with Chromium after todays update?
[23:29] <BUGabundo> ME
[23:29] <Bauldrick> I move  50-udev-default.rules out of the way and install --reinstall udev and this SYMLINK{unique} comes back, and thus system wont boot 2.6.31 - anyone know what I can try
[23:31] <penguin42> Bauldrick: I don't think the problem is that line - I get the feeling it's what ever should be parsing it that's broken
[23:32] <Bauldrick> penguin42: how can I determine that
[23:34] <penguin42> I'm not sure how udev goes together
[23:35] <piquadrat> Hi! Since a couple of days, I can't get my laptop to associate with my home WLAN (dmesg says "wlan0: disassociating by local choice (reason=3)"). On another access point, it works without problems...
[23:37] <piquadrat> the problem occured when I did an "apt-get upgrade" last wednesday (I think)