[00:01] In principal /etc/readahead/desktop should cause loads of files to be brought into cash === funkyHat is now known as pirateHat [00:13] Does Karmic have ff3.5? [00:13] yes [00:13] 3.5.4 at the moment [00:13] eh 3.5.3 [00:14] Cool [00:14] Has hal been deprecated? [00:15] And is there a new great theme, as promised? [00:15] yeah it has [00:15] I don't believe so === pirateHat is now known as funkyHat [00:19] wiw [00:19] complete b0rkage [00:20] I'm attempting to install 9.10 alpha over 9.04, but install wants a new install not upgrade. Is this correct? [00:20] Hub_cap you could just do a do-release-upgrade -d [00:21] is that sudo do-release-upgrade -d? [00:21] yeah [00:21] thanks, I'll see if I can break my 9.04. I just made an image with PING [00:22] if you have my luck you will break your system [00:22] alpha 6 has been horrible for me [00:23] is there a way to back out of it? [00:23] Hub_cap: other then restoring an image of alpha4? no [00:24] or an image of 9.04? [00:25] Hub_cap: i use clonezilla to create backups [00:25] so I restore an image of my root fs and then I'm back at a working state [00:26] but yes, i can also recover to 8.04 and 9.04 if I want too [00:27] I have a image created with partimage not ghost and systemrescurecd. I hope that will cover my butt. [00:27] ahh, clonezilla uses partimage, so I guess you are save [00:28] i take it your root fs is on a seperate slice then homedirs? [00:29] I looked at clonezilla but could find how to create image on external USB HD formatted with NTFS. [00:29] dunno, should be supported afaik [00:29] Partimage created a directory on USB drive. [00:29] i backup to my external hdd with ext3 [00:29] hey, what's the deal with .Xdefaults? [00:30] I have some emacs setup in there, and it seems like it's taken into account when I launch emacs from the term, but not when I launch it from the gnome menu [00:30] doesn't X load it at startup? [00:30] I couldn't figure out how to change the fs since the HD has windoze backups also [00:32] If alpha6 is really broken, I believe I may wait awhile. Thanks for the heads up. [00:32] Hub_cap: i know you can convert an fs with partition magic without loss of data, but I use gparted now, and i don't know if gparted supports that [00:33] slacker-nl: gparted is on systemrescurecd. I modified the internal HD with it (dual boot with XP) [00:33] Hub_cap: do you have a link to systemrescue-cd? [00:34] wait one. [00:34] i want a rescue cd which contains gparted, clonezilla and a default OS with ff, wireshark, wifi support.. [00:34] http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page [00:34] click [00:34] www.sysresccd.org [00:35] thnx [00:35] 200 mb only [00:35] nice [00:35] Has good stuff on it. [00:35] downloading right now [00:36] after that I'm restoring to alpha4 again [00:36] slacker_nl, make sure the clonezilla on it supports ext4 if you are using it.. only "experimental" (ubuntu based) version does at the moment [00:36] alpha6 breaks wireless and am unable to remove a pkg [00:36] duffydack: i'm using ext3 [00:37] slacker_nl, good to go then [00:37] duffydack: sure is, done it several times now ;) [00:37] also using 8.04 and jaunty, although I really really like kde4.3, so karmic has been my main OS now [00:44] I need some help with grub2. I've edited the /etc/default/grub file to set a default timeout and run update-grub2 and its ignoring it. It just sits at the grub menu on boot [00:45] It stopped booting the default kernel after an update [00:47] How stable is Karmic at the moment? I'm running into a couple of obscure X +bugs that may be fixed in Karmic, so I'm thinking of upgrading. [00:47] pmitros: Some people have had problems, I'm doingly mostly OK [00:47] "mostly OK"? What kinds of issues? [00:48] couple of people seem to have run into a nasty problem with /dev/pts not appearing that I've seen today; a few people with X not starting; but in both cases they seem pretty rare [00:49] Hmm... Worth a shot, I guess. [00:49] * penguin42 has 2 main bugs he'd like fixed; it doesn't lock on hibernate and I have a problem with the two heads being mirrored on restore from hibernate [00:50] neither particularly nasty [00:50] Actually, probably, I should dd the partition, upgrade, and if it breaks, dd back. [00:51] i dunno why but empathy wont let me change my status in the system tray to available it stays on hidden no matter what [00:51] pmitros: not very just broke a few days ago [00:53] pmitros: check the development forums you can see some of the issues people are having. [00:53] pmitros: But heck; I've just had sound working in flash *at the same time as my music player* - and I haven't been able to do that for about a year [00:53] It sounds like I'm going for it then. [00:54] Couple things broken in Jaunty anyways. They might be fixed. [00:54] you'll probably experience more prolbems in karmic untill its stable. [00:54] but much more fun and entertaining ones [00:54] I would only run it on a machine that you have you /home seperate or something. [00:58] I share my/home between Jaunty and Karmic. [00:58] <|neon|> having a big issue with karmic, i am running it on an asus laptop and it does not recognize the cd unless i manually mounted, it is listed on fstab but it is not loading automatically only manually any suggestions, thx [01:00] |neon|: Not automounting is hardly a big issue; it's annoying but not like it failing to boot or wiping your disk [01:00] <|neon|> penguin42: true, still anoying!! :) [01:01] i don't like this.... [01:02] my wireless is in epic fail mode [01:03] thought it was netbase, downgraded, wpasupplicant, downgraded still no go [01:03] * BUGabundo DanaG is crazy and suicidal [01:03] bummer.. my sound card is b0rked, but usb headphones work :) [01:04] no, a more correct term would be "masochist". [01:04] * BUGabundo make.clone( BUGabundo ) | /dev/bed/BUGabundo [01:05] you want to be in a bed with a clone of yourself, that's "narcissistic" [01:05] 'No I want the duvet' [01:05] Does anyone know if MPX is in the version of Xserve that ships with Karmic? (I guess it depends if MPX has even made it into Xserve at all.) [01:06] what's mpx? Multi pointer? [01:07] there's nothing in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log or xdpyinfo output that looks like it [01:09] bbeck, more likely to get a useful response in #ubuntu-x, although make sure you stay in channel [01:10] cwillu_at_work: thanks [01:10] cwillu_at_work: lol, I'm the only person over there. [01:11] * cwillu_at_work blinks, there's 39 people in ubuntu-x [01:11] * cwillu_at_work blinks, there's 39 people in ubuntu-x [01:11] cwillu-laptop: let me try again. [01:11] "/join #ubuntu-x" [01:12] doh! I was going to ubuntu+x [01:12] I'm sitting in that channel, and I know you haven't joined it :p [01:12] it's a low volume channel, but that also means people will see your question hours later still [01:17] oh yeah, I think MPX is part of xinput2. [01:17] xinput2 is not in Karmic. [01:17] xinput list [01:17] yeah, xinput looks like old xinput. [01:18] DanaG: that stinks, but thanks for the help. [01:18] I think there's an xinput2 ppa, but I'm not sure if it's still maintained. [01:19] https://launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/xorg-testing [01:20] I wish somebody would make a PPA with drm-next kernels. [01:22] What's drm-next? [01:23] http://airlied.livejournal.com/68097.html [01:25] Ah I see, mode setting for Radeon graphics cards. [01:25] As the proud owner of a goofy Intel card, I'm counting down the days until the next release of Ubuntu. [01:26] bbeck: Which particular goofe? [01:27] penguin42: according to lspci Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 [01:28] tha'ts not that unusual is it? [01:29] No, not unusual, but after six months of constant graphics glitches I'm looking forward to the new drivers. [01:35] I don't like the Alpha 6 [01:37] What were you guys thinking with the Ubuntu App Store. [01:37] And dthe graphics during install. [01:37] And still the ugly color scheme [01:37] And Ubuntu one [01:39] Fspot is nicer [01:41] But I still think Ubuntu should stick with pidgin [01:41] And no btrfs [01:42] Happy freedom software day !!! [01:43] DKcross: Thanks, you too. [01:43] The Software Store is a joke. [01:43] It should be removed. [01:44] TDJACR: I haven't see it yet, what's wrong with it? [01:45] It's pointless (it's almost the same as add/remove) and it is conceptually wrong. [01:45] Free Software == Gratis, it seems. [01:45] And It's a "store" selling "free" software [01:45] As in gratis [01:45] But they want libre [01:45] ... [01:45] It's hard to explain [01:45] And Ubuntu One should not be included by default, imho [01:45] Same with landscape on server [01:45] TDJACR: what software do you have to pay for? [01:45] s [01:46] bbeck: I don't think ther es any [01:46] TDJACR: That does sound weird, I'll have to look at it. [01:47] The concept is all wrong. [01:47] Add/Remove does the same thing. [01:47] And it says free software: no cost. [01:47] ... [01:47] TDJACR: When you say add / remove are you referring to apt-get install / remove? [01:48] No [01:48] In the Applic ations menu at bottom. [01:48] imo the Ubuntu Store is a work in progress atm [01:48] I'm a kubuntu user, so maybe that's the reason I didn't notice. [01:48] it will however feature more editorial work than Add/Remove-Crap [01:49] There seems to be a new gdm [01:49] BAd [01:49] new gdm is nice [01:49] Like fedora's in orange [01:49] much cleaner than all the old stuff [01:49] And a splash screen between gdm and desktop [01:49] so change to fedora [01:49] boy, you are a bit whiny, aren't you? [01:49] I said it was bad [01:49] The 9.04 was good [01:50] so stick with 9.04 [01:50] it is your choice [01:50] I know, hexa. [01:50] Jeez, I feel left out, nothing about the login seems to have changed in kubuntu land. [01:50] The final version will be different thna alpha, as always [01:51] But empathy and the app store were bad ideas imho [01:51] 9.10 is some beta-testing on the way to the next LTS [01:51] so just stop it right there [01:51] Empathy is what the GNOME Desktop brings with it [01:52] it will be more integrated than pidgin when it is done [01:52] there are long-term reasons you seem not to grasp [01:52] I know. [01:52] But it should support OTR [01:52] I totally agree [01:53] this is why you may stick to pidgin [01:53] I will. [01:53] But I don't think Ubuntu should add to the desktop before the apps are useable. [01:53] To a good degree. [01:54] And in my opinion, when an update to a upstream application is released (ff3 ->3.5) it should be the same on ubuntu [01:54] Before a whole upgrade [01:55] TDJACR: Isn't that what the PPAs are for? [01:55] Yeah [01:56] I don't mind that as much as the other things, though. === voidmage-away is now known as voidmage [02:38] ok, the bot in #ubuntu told me to come here: I've been using karmic for a while on my netbook and after updating it last night it doen't start X, it also doesn't appear to recognise that it has a wireless card (and I don't have a second network cable). [02:55] what is linux-next? [03:06] guys i just did a fresh install and i got an error and got to a root shell i did a fsck and rebooted and it worked but i can see errors with udev what's wrong? [03:10] creative1412: nothing apparently the devs said its just a test and will change/fixed this comming week [03:11] robin0800: then that's sounds good [03:11] robin0800: Nvidia driver ? any isuse before installing? [03:12] issues * [03:12] I've downloaded the karmic kubuntu UNR file, but it won't work. It's too big to be a CD, and the normal means of making the file become a liveUSBstick isn't working (or at least, it's unbootable). [03:12] creative1412: don't know ati here [03:13] robin0800: a friend of mine told that nvidia driver killed his installation [03:15] creative1412: I would have thought the worst would be Xserver might crash but that could probably be easily fixed this is alpha after all [03:40] gnome do is really laggy anyone notice this [03:42] blame mono? [04:14] ok i need some help i need to edit my xorg.config file and add Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy" but i cANT find it anywhere [04:20] guys flash player isn't working for me [04:20] webbb82: http://paste.ubuntu.com/274478/ might help [04:25] Hmmm.... add/remove is gone from Applications menu, but software store is also missing from System... [04:27] ripps: if you edit menu you can put it back [04:27] robin0800: that really isn't an issue, I don't really use either. I'm just wondering why they removed both [04:30] ripps: for some reason when you unhide software store it goes both in system and where add and remove was you can then rehide the system one [04:33] Must mean that the file is a symlink, and the files has some kind of hide option enabled in the file. Question is, why did they ship a file with hide enabled? [04:33] bug? [04:34] can someone please help i add'd a line in etc/x11/xorg.conf and now gnome wont start [04:34] Brian___: then goin to recovery mode and remove it [04:34] how [04:35] all i have to do is del. xorg.conf how do i do that from the terminal [04:35] Brian___: from the boot menu, there should be two listings for ubuntu, one is the regular one, the second is the recovery. It says (recovery mode) right next to it. [04:35] oh im on a netbook so no live cd [04:36] Brian___: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.off [04:36] I don't like removing xorg.confs, unless necessary\ [04:36] Brian___: btw, what exactly did you add to xorg.conf? [04:37] migrate somthing option trying to get gnome do to speed up [04:38] that command didnt work [04:38] Brian___: oh, migration_heuristic? yeah, depending on your driver/hardware it can do more harm than good [04:38] ya [04:39] it says command not found [04:39] Brian___: "cd /etc/X11" if you have a xorg.conf, than you can probably just remove using "sudo rm xorg.conf" [04:40] Remember, it's case-sensitive, if there any caps in the path, than you have to follow that with what you type [04:41] cd etc x11 no such file or directory [04:41] not x11, X11 [04:41] capatilize the x [04:41] ok [04:41] got it [04:43] now im restarting comp hope this fixed it [04:44] hey it worked thank you so much [04:45] your welcome [04:46] im trying to get gnome do docky to run better and not lag with my intel 943 card [04:46] I don't particularly like docks, so I haven't used it much [04:47] I do use gnome-do to launch apps though [04:47] ya its nice for that [04:47] Brian___: to find what options your driver supports you run Xorg -configure in the recovery mode [04:48] i dont have a cd rom so i cant pop in my live cd [04:48] Brian___: I don't migration_heuristic would do much for intel in karmic, because I think mh works mostly for exa, and intel now uses uxa entirely. [04:49] Brian___: this should be a grub option [04:49] how so [04:49] Brian___: you shouldn't need a livecd to boot into recovery mode, it should in the menu that shows up as your comp is booting [04:50] netbook-remix installs grub right? [04:50] I can't imagine any linux working without a bootloader [04:50] ripps: note by default this is now hidden in alpha 6 [04:50] hey guys [04:50] im out for now thanks again ripps [04:50] robin0800: mine isn't hidden.... [04:51] could anyone here help me with ubuntu 9.04? [04:51] cowguru2000: #ubuntu [04:51] specifically with a huge ldap/auth problem i'm having [04:51] oh ok [04:51] ripps: on a clean install it is [04:51] i tried to join that channel but apparently it doesn't exist anymore [04:51] ripps: ah, I installed karmic freshly during alpha2 [04:51] robin0800: ^ [04:54] ripps: you can show it by hitting shift now at boot time but doesn't always work [04:54] cowguru2000, it exists... but it seems the servers having issues [04:55] hmm.... when grub boots, first i see grub for a split second, than the screen goes dark for another second, then grub flickers back on. I wonder if it's just broken for my bios [04:55] cowguru2000: works for me through freenode [04:57] ripps: there are instructions to always show it google grub2 [05:56] I heard that Karmic won't have upstart. That's just the program that displays the graphics during boot up, correct? [06:00] I was just curious why it was removed. [06:00] umm, no [06:00] upstart is the init daemon that starts up applications on boot [06:00] oh [06:00] Was it removed, or did I hear wrongly? [06:01] I still have it so... no? [06:01] Thanks, I guess I was misinformed. [06:02] though it of course needs to be replaced, not just removed [06:02] and for my knowledge upstart is still being developed and highly ubuntu specific [06:05] hifi: yeah I just looked at the ubuntu page, alpha 6 transitioned to upstart. === r0bby|arr is now known as r0bby [06:07] Hmm. Im still getting an erorr on every boot about the filesystems fsck date being set to the future. [06:11] transitioned? didn't ubuntu use upstart since 6.something [06:12] Yea it has i think. [06:12] I do think ive seen some other disrtos using Upstart. but I cant rember what ones. [06:13] hifi: that was the word they used on the release page, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha6 [06:16] hmm [06:19] fedora uses upstart but just as a sysvinit replacement [06:19] They have been waiting on us to get it good enough to transition to upstart-native boot [06:19] So finally we have a feature before them ;) [06:22] Are there any major UI changes in karmic? [06:22] Not that ive really noticed., [06:22] Gnome is still basically gnome. :) [06:22] 4.3 is a pretty nice improvement. [06:25] Dr_Willis: i've read about the performance improvements, so that's probably an incentive for upgrading to alpha 6 [06:27] Dr_Willis: though I was looking for UI features like usability and eye candy [06:28] yay I found the intel bug [06:29] 0f328c90dbc893e15005f2ab441d309c1c176245 i965: Fall back or appropriately adjust offsets of drawing to tiled regions [06:29] that commit is the reason compiz appears broken on resume [06:29] wait, actually I think someone else already found that and fixed the bug in ubuntu :P [06:29] does intel have same problem with mode setting as radeon now in karmic? [06:29] that fbcon module is no longer automagically loaded on boot and if mode setting is enabled you lose video signal [06:30] !benchmark [06:30] Sorry, I don't know anything about benchmark [06:30] any resources or info on benchmarking? [06:30] Amaranth: What's the Intel bug? [06:31] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23254 [06:31] Freedesktop bug 23254 in Drivers/DRI/i965 "Compiz doesn't survive suspend/resume cycle" [Major,Resolved: fixed] [06:31] hifi: err, no, my screen works [06:32] hifi: I didn't think radeon KMS was on by default [06:34] what is the default icon theme used in ubuntu? [06:34] is it humanity? [06:35] nope, human [06:35] UNR was going to use humanity but it had some consistency issues and still depends on human so it was using too much space [06:37] Amaranth: thanks for the info btw has human been [06:38] updated in this cycle? [06:38] not that I can see [06:39] :( [06:39] oh hey, DanRabbit makes Humanity [06:39] no wonder all the gnome-do guys use it :P [06:41] ubuntu should also switch to humanity [06:41] propabl [06:41] y soon [06:45] Amaranth: not default, but you can enable it with a boot parameter [06:46] but the result should be the same with intel [06:46] hifi: I don't have fbcon loaded and I'm not even using KMS right now [06:50] Reading a diff of a diff makes my eyes bleed :/ [06:52] !info colordiff [06:52] colordiff (source: colordiff): tool to colorize 'diff' output. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.9-1 (karmic), package size 14 kB, installed size 108 kB [06:53] !info pidgin [06:53] pidgin (source: pidgin): graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.6.2-1ubuntu3 (karmic), package size 597 kB, installed size 1888 kB [06:53] is there any multi-protocol instant messaging client which is CLI based [06:53] ? [06:53] is there anything bad/ broken in the 64 bit version of karmic .. i should be aware of ? like does flash/ java work? [06:56] tgpraveen: finch is a cli version of pidgin. [06:56] kms needs fbcon for system vt's [06:56] hifi: Well as of yesterday KMS was working fine on my machine [06:57] works fine after you get to X [06:57] vttr: You absolutely have to use the 64-bit version of flash otherwise you can't click things [06:57] hifi: No, I see all the udev warnings too [06:57] then something is probably different with either your karmic or intel kms [06:57] Amaranth: where do i get tht from? adobe or the repos? what version [06:58] vttr: labs.adobe.com [06:58] ok [06:58] * Amaranth feels for 64-bit users [06:58] Something about nspluginwrapper while compiz is running [06:59] chrome actually has the same problem with some flash apps since it works like nspluginwrapper [06:59] Amaranth: anything else that is missing in 64 bit? java/ chrome / opera? [06:59] opera works here. [06:59] chrome works here. [06:59] I think.. let me double check [06:59] vttr: With Chrome flash will be somewhat unusable no matter what unless you disable compiz [06:59] s/chrome/chromium/ [06:59] yeah yeah [06:59] any other nasties still not ironed out that you guys are aware of? [07:00] vttr: Well, the system may not boot at all [07:00] chrome works. [07:00] lol [07:00] ty Dr_Willis [07:00] vttr: test the LiveCD first [07:00] vttr: I'm serious [07:00] Amaranth: thts what i got to do .. but unetbootin doesnt work for karmic [07:00] i got a netbook [07:01] vttr: In that case wait or upgrade and pray [07:01] Hmm.. [07:01] As long as you didn't do anything the Ubuntu 9.04 final LiveCD installer doesn't let you do the system should boot [07:01] i am installing virtualbox to get the usb creator working :/ [07:01] I used unetbootin to make a bootable flash disk i thought... [07:01] If you made any customizations like encrypted disk or any kind of network filesystem... [07:02] this was a few alphas # ago however. [07:02] Dr_Willis: does unetbootin create karmic usb bootables .. i am having trouble with karmic alpha 5 [07:03] I thinki did it with A4. I dont recall buringing any cd's for this box. [07:03] and i dont see any A4 cds :) [07:03] yes.. it creates only the bootloader .. but no karmic files are copied on the usb [07:03] or i may ofused the ubuntu usb-creater tool. i dont even see my flash drive i used around to check [07:04] annoying thing ablout flash drives..its hard to label them :) [07:04] They need tomake one with a little 'white' place you can write on and erase. [07:04] how many flash drives do u have .. that u find the need to label each one :) [07:05] i reuse my flash drives for regularly .. the contents are long formatted even before a label can make itself onto one [07:06] I got about 10 total now.. :) [07:06] My flash drive has a white spot for labeling. It's a lexmark. [07:06] I put keychains on mine i jot down on it. :) [07:06] and my name on the reverse.. in case i forget one in a pc at work. [07:07] Grabbing alpa6 to test with Unetbootin and ubuntu usb-creator. [07:07] let me know .. if you are able to get unetbootin working [07:07] argh - a 25 min download. :) [07:08] now down to 18 :) [07:08] btw this is wht i am using http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/karmic/alpha-6/ [07:09] I tried Kubuntu.. and still dont like it. :) [07:09] That is funny. Kubuntu said the same thing about you, Dr_Willis. :) [07:09] i want to try out kde 4.3 :) did not like the crashes in 4.1 [07:09] lol leaf-sheep [07:09] * Dr_Willis pokes leaf-sheep with a small cattle prod. [07:10] :) [07:10] Im still wondering about this 'fsck date set to the future' issue im having on every reboot now. [07:10] Xubuntu Alpha6 looks decent now. I'm attempted to give Xubuntu a fair chance on my netbook. Never used Xubuntu before myself. :) [07:10] there were some parts of xubuntu i just did not like. [07:11] Dr_Willis: I saw few cattles yesterday. I even rode a horse too! O rly? Yes rly! [07:11] little 'things' that you get used to that change/vanish and then can be a hassle. [07:11] leaf-sheep: :) Giddyup cowboy! [07:11] Did you step in Poo! [07:11] That's expected, I suppose. [07:12] leaf-sheep: u use kde? [07:12] vttr: Not rly. [07:21] Hmm. My new external usb hard drive.. causes the pc to 'wait a long time' at boot up.. and ubuntu dident see/mount it . untill after i power cycled it.. [07:21] How .. annoying. [07:21] * leaf-sheep is installing xubuntu-desktop(karmic) on teh netboot. [07:22] 10 min on my download.. [07:22] Maybe I should install kubuntu-desktop + ubuntu-desktop while I'm at it. And any other -desktop too. [07:22] which netbooks do u guys have? [07:22] In fact, I should install all packages there are in Ubuntu Repo and see how it goes. [07:23] Acer Aspire One + Dell Inspirion Mini 10. [07:24] and Dr_Willis ? [07:24] i have the 11.6 inch gateway LT3103 [07:24] Dell XPS M1530 (Laptop). [07:25] I got an older AAO netbook here. [07:25] Dell 1710 laptop [07:25] Cash cow! [07:25]