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| kklimonda|G1 | morning | 09:33 |
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| rugby471 | mpt_: hello | 16:08 |
| mpt_ | hello rugby471 | 16:08 |
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| rugby471 | mpt: did you see my mockup? | 16:09 |
| mpt | rugby471, I did not. Mockup of what, and where? | 16:09 |
| rugby471 | mpt: no worries, here it is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore/Mockups | 16:09 |
| mpt | ah | 16:10 |
| mpt | hm | 16:11 |
| rugby471 | mpt: that is my idea anyway | 16:11 |
| rugby471 | mac_v: you should put a mockup of your idea here ^ | 16:11 |
| mpt | I wonder if it would make a little more sense for the calendar to be above the list rather than below | 16:11 |
| mdc_laptop | rugby471, making the dates where changes was made bold would be great.. | 16:12 |
| mpt | so that the two filter-y things, the calendar and the search field, are close to each other | 16:12 |
| rugby471 | mpt: good point | 16:12 |
| rugby471 | mdc_laptop: absolutely, this is just a first mockup though :-) | 16:12 |
| mdc_laptop | :-) | 16:13 |
| mpt | rugby471, I like the general "undo" approach | 16:13 |
| rugby471 | mpt: if it isn't clear, the bit about the details bit is as follows | 16:13 |
| mpt | rugby471, though there might be other things you want to do to a package, e.g. reinstall/reconfigure it | 16:14 |
| rugby471 | basically there would be a details menu item in the view menu, when you click it, a pop-up window appears giving you the details | 16:14 |
| mpt | I also wonder what happens to the calendar in a maximized window on a wide screen. :-) | 16:14 |
| mpt | rugby471, you mean details of the transaction that took place? | 16:14 |
| rugby471 | mpt: maybe have the arrow icon in the normal app view so the user can look at the details page? | 16:15 |
| rugby471 | mpt: yes | 16:15 |
| mpt | oh, right, now I actually read what you wrote in the mockup <:-) | 16:15 |
| rugby471 | mpt: basically the history section would only list the events that happened | 16:15 |
| rugby471 | mpt: ie. applicationx was installed | 16:15 |
| rugby471 | the view details would give the user the oppourtunity the see what actually happened | 16:16 |
| rugby471 | mpt: ie. packagex and it's dependencies were installed | 16:16 |
| rugby471 | etc. | 16:16 |
| rugby471 | mpt: yeah sorry about that, it isn't terribly visible :-) | 16:16 |
| rugby471 | mpt: oh an application icon in the view wouldn't have the overlay icons btw | 16:17 |
| rugby471 | an > and | 16:17 |
| rugby471 | mpt: RE:widescreen it would just scale to the width of the window, however I could make it so that the calender doesn't expand | 16:17 |
| mpt | rugby471, by "the overlay icons" do you mean the installed checkmark? | 16:20 |
| rugby471 | popey: hi, how is your boxee box going :-) | 16:20 |
| rugby471 | mpt: yup | 16:20 |
| rugby471 | mpt: I just used a screenshot from the installed items view, they shouldn't be there | 16:20 |
| rugby471 | mpt: thinking about it the history section would also include things like dist-upgrades as well | 16:21 |
| mpt | rugby471, why not keep the emblem? It would be a useful extra hint as to the current state (e.g. I uninstalled this application then, but I've since reinstalled it) | 16:21 |
| mac_v | mpt: is the left pane essential for a history section? | 16:21 |
| mac_v | couldnt we use the full window | 16:21 |
| rugby471 | mpt: sure, I see your point | 16:21 |
| mpt | mac_v, it's useful when you want to navigate away from it :-) | 16:21 |
| mac_v | mpt: we could just add a close button for that , the left pane IMO , seems not necessary for the history | 16:22 |
| * mpt wonders if mac_v is thinking of iTunes LP | 16:22 | |
| mac_v | hehe ;p | 16:22 |
| rugby471 | mpt: off-topic have you seen the new mockups for gimp 2.8 They look awesome :-) http://www.mmiworks.net/eng/publications/2009/09/gimp-single-mode.html | 16:23 |
| mpt | mac_v, I don't see that it's any less necessary for History than for any other section. Nor need it be particularly more complicated. | 16:23 |
| mac_v | the reason i felt not needed > was to use the space , to have a more spacious timeslider and display :) | 16:24 |
| rugby471 | mac_v: I am sure there would be enough space PS: we really want your mockups of this idea :-) | 16:25 |
| * mac_v having a mild headache right now :( .... but soon ;) | 16:25 | |
| mpt | rugby471, meh. They're trying to solve an OS-level problem at the application level, which makes sense for them, since Gimp is a cross-platform application, but it can't possibly be as good as solving it at the OS level. | 16:25 |
| tgpraveen | will software store eventually replace synpatic also? | 16:26 |
| hyperair | i don't think it would | 16:27 |
| mpt | tgpraveen, yes, in version 2. | 16:27 |
| mac_v | its is supposed to replace synaptic in 10.10 | 16:27 |
| hyperair | =O | 16:27 |
| mpt | tgpraveen, though Synaptic will still be available in the repositories if you're a fan. | 16:28 |
| hyperair | hmmm | 16:28 |
| tgpraveen | hmm | 16:28 |
| hyperair | this means that nautilus-share will have to use software store to auto-install samba. | 16:28 |
| mac_v | yeah , mvo intends to maintain it | 16:28 |
| hyperair | which means i can no longer keep it syncable from debian. | 16:28 |
| mpt | hyperair, can't you just use the apt: protocol? | 16:29 |
| tgpraveen | softwrare store will have to progress a lot. how will we install libraries and stuff as I doubt software store should | 16:29 |
| hyperair | mpt: does debian have apt: installed by default? | 16:29 |
| tgpraveen | have libraries and all shown? | 16:29 |
| hyperair | mpt: apturl i mean | 16:29 |
| mpt | hyperair, I don't know, it's been about a decade since I ran Debian. | 16:29 |
| hyperair | mpt: i think it isn't. | 16:30 |
| * rugby471 thought the GIMP redeisgn was a great thing until mpt open his mouth | 16:31 | |
| rugby471 | opened | 16:31 |
| rugby471 | :-) | 16:31 |
| rugby471 | only joking :-) | 16:31 |
| rugby471 | hyperair: software-store will display all libs etc. | 16:31 |
| mpt | tgpraveen, ok, please describe it specifically in the "Unresolved issues" section of the SoftwareStore spec. (E.g. "When you click on _____, nautilus-share uses ______ to request that synaptic install samba. The Store needs to provide an equivalent mechanism.") | 16:31 |
| rugby471 | hyperair: however we might use an advanced view etc. | 16:31 |
| rugby471 | hyperair: don't worry I am sure mpt has an ace up his sleeve :-) | 16:31 |
| hyperair | ...is it me or have both of you suddenly confused me with tgpraveen? | 16:32 |
| rugby471 | tgpraveen, mpt: I think using apt-url would be a lot easier | 16:32 |
| rugby471 | hyperair: probably :-) | 16:32 |
| hyperair | i'm the one concerned about nautilus-share autoinstalling samba, and tgpraveen is the one concerned about installing libs.. | 16:32 |
| mpt | hyperair, sorry, yes. :-) | 16:32 |
| * hyperair sighs | 16:32 | |
| rugby471 | I read over the conversation in 5 secs, maybe I should have taken more time :-) | 16:32 |
| rugby471 | hyperair: now I am confused :-) | 16:33 |
| * mpt investigates how to color-code people in XChat to avoid this problem | 16:33 | |
| hyperair | mpt: anyway, nautilus-share just execs gksudo synaptic something somethin | 16:33 |
| hyperair | g | 16:33 |
| rugby471 | hyperair: apt-url samba | 16:33 |
| rugby471 | hyperair: that would be a lot eaier | 16:33 |
| hyperair | hmm should i make nautilus-share depend on apturl then? | 16:33 |
| * tgpraveen decides to wait until hyperair 's issue is cleared | 16:34 | |
| rugby471 | hyperair: it would be a lot better implementation | 16:34 |
| hyperair | hmm | 16:34 |
| hyperair | indeed. | 16:34 |
| mpt | hyperair, the PackageKit protocol might be the right answer to that too, though again that might have Debian-syncing problems. | 16:34 |
| * hyperair groans | 16:34 | |
| * rugby471 laughs | 16:34 | |
| mpt | hyperair, we can discuss it at UDS Lucid. :-) | 16:34 |
| rugby471 | mpt: is it actually lucid? | 16:34 |
| rugby471 | mpt: I heard rumours it was a rumour :-) | 16:35 |
| hyperair | mpt: UDS is so far away. in distance i mean. | 16:35 |
| mpt | Yes, Lucid Lynx, announced yesterday | 16:35 |
| rugby471 | see you for 30 mins | 16:35 |
| tgpraveen | mpt: so how will installing libraries be dealt? | 16:36 |
| mpt | ha! | 16:36 |
| mpt | When I Web search for "Lucid Lynx" I get a bunch of audio shop sites, apparently because "Lucid" and "Lynx" are two audio brands adjacent to each other in alphabetical listings | 16:37 |
| mpt | e.g. http://performanceaudio.com/ | 16:38 |
| mpt | hyperair, we'll have teleconferencing as usual, and Gobby, and mailing lists and wikis. We do try. | 16:39 |
| hyperair | teleconferencing eh | 16:39 |
| hyperair | that's interesting | 16:39 |
| hyperair | i never knew there was such a thing | 16:39 |
| hyperair | i thought it was just live recordings | 16:39 |
| mpt | I forget exactly what it's called -- Icecast? something like that | 16:40 |
| hyperair | i think it was that | 16:40 |
| mpt | with people listening, and posting responses on IRC | 16:40 |
| hyperair | but it's not two way is it? | 16:40 |
| hyperair | ah | 16:40 |
| hyperair | posting responses | 16:40 |
| hyperair | yes, that makes sense | 16:40 |
| mpt | and sometimes we've dialled in people who are particularly expert in the topic being discussed. | 16:53 |
| rugby471 | mpt: the remote participation is not that good though | 17:02 |
| rugby471 | we need something like icecast but for videos | 17:02 |
| rugby471 | mpt: like on ustream | 17:02 |
| rugby471 | mpt: per this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicNotifyOSD | 17:09 |
| rugby471 | mpt: why is AppCenter there? | 17:09 |
| mpt | rugby471, I have no idea. | 17:11 |
| rugby471 | mpt: Oh I thought you were the drafter :-) | 17:11 |
| mpt | nup | 17:12 |
| mpt | I maintain the main NotifyOSD page | 17:12 |
| rugby471 | oh | 17:12 |
| * mac_v wonders what Anjali is about | 17:18 | |
| tgpraveen | mac_v: it's a modification of evolution | 18:10 |
| tgpraveen | for netbooks | 18:10 |
| mac_v | huh! | 18:11 |
| tgpraveen | oh wait is that wrong | 18:11 |
| tgpraveen | I think I am mixing something up | 18:11 |
| mac_v | tgpraveen: i was wondering about > https://launchpad.net/anjali | 18:11 |
| * mac_v mpt is hiding stuff from us ;p | 18:12 | |
| * mac_v thinks^ | 18:12 | |
| tgpraveen | This project’s license is proprietary. | 18:12 |
| tgpraveen | so duh! | 18:12 |
| * tgpraveen guesses surprises awaits for us with Lucid | 18:15 | |
| mac_v | tgpraveen: half the world would not know what "Anjali" actually is ;p | 18:19 |
| mac_v | s/is/means | 18:20 |
| rugby471 | tgpraveen & mac_v : more surprises await us here as well https://launchpad.net/~flash-ubuntu-team :-) | 18:20 |
| rugby471 | or https://launchpad.net/flash-ubuntu | 18:20 |
| tgpraveen | mac_v: I am from India so I guess I am supposed to what what it mean | 18:22 |
| tgpraveen | s | 18:22 |
| mac_v | yup , thats why i mentioned it to you ;) | 18:23 |
| tgpraveen | ;-) | 18:23 |
| rugby471 | mpt: the progress of the history view http://videobin.org/v/i/ik.ogg | 18:31 |
| rugby471 | mpt: atm it is parsing the history xml file and highlighting (in bold) the days that events have occured on | 18:32 |
| rugby471 | mac_v: for your interest ^ | 18:33 |
| mac_v | rugby471: i'll be adding a mockup in a few mins :) | 18:35 |
| rugby471 | mac_v: awesome! | 18:35 |
| rugby471 | see ya guys | 18:58 |
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| c_korn | jcastro: hello | 22:05 |
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