[02:05] <Ken47150> :)
[09:33] <kklimonda|G1> morning
[16:08] <rugby471> mpt_: hello
[16:08] <mpt_> hello rugby471
[16:09] <rugby471> mpt: did you see my mockup?
[16:09] <mpt> rugby471, I did not. Mockup of what, and where?
[16:09] <rugby471> mpt: no worries, here it is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore/Mockups
[16:10] <mpt> ah
[16:11] <mpt> hm
[16:11] <rugby471> mpt: that is my idea anyway
[16:11] <rugby471> mac_v: you should put a mockup of your idea here ^
[16:11] <mpt> I wonder if it would make a little more sense for the calendar to be above the list rather than below
[16:12] <mdc_laptop> rugby471, making the dates where changes was made bold would be great..
[16:12] <mpt> so that the two filter-y things, the calendar and the search field, are close to each other
[16:12] <rugby471> mpt: good point
[16:12] <rugby471> mdc_laptop: absolutely, this is just a first mockup though :-)
[16:13] <mdc_laptop> :-)
[16:13] <mpt> rugby471, I like the general "undo" approach
[16:13] <rugby471> mpt: if it isn't clear, the bit about the details bit is as follows
[16:14] <mpt> rugby471, though there might be other things you want to do to a package, e.g. reinstall/reconfigure it
[16:14] <rugby471> basically there would be a details menu item in the view menu, when you click it, a pop-up window appears giving you the details
[16:14] <mpt> I also wonder what happens to the calendar in a maximized window on a wide screen. :-)
[16:14] <mpt> rugby471, you mean details of the transaction that took place?
[16:15] <rugby471> mpt: maybe have the arrow icon in the normal app view so the user can look at the details page?
[16:15] <rugby471> mpt: yes
[16:15] <mpt> oh, right, now I actually read what you wrote in the mockup <:-)
[16:15] <rugby471> mpt: basically the history section would only list the events that happened
[16:15] <rugby471> mpt: ie. applicationx was installed
[16:16] <rugby471> the view details would give the user the oppourtunity the see what actually happened
[16:16] <rugby471> mpt: ie. packagex and it's dependencies were installed
[16:16] <rugby471> etc.
[16:16] <rugby471> mpt: yeah sorry about that, it isn't terribly visible :-)
[16:17] <rugby471> mpt: oh an application icon in the view wouldn't have the overlay icons btw
[16:17] <rugby471> an > and
[16:17] <rugby471> mpt: RE:widescreen it would just scale to the width of the window, however I could make it so that the calender doesn't expand
[16:20] <mpt> rugby471, by "the overlay icons" do you mean the installed checkmark?
[16:20] <rugby471> popey: hi, how is your boxee box going :-)
[16:20] <rugby471> mpt: yup
[16:20] <rugby471> mpt: I just used a screenshot from the installed items view, they shouldn't be there
[16:21] <rugby471> mpt: thinking about it the history section would also include things like dist-upgrades as well
[16:21] <mpt> rugby471, why not keep the emblem? It would be a useful extra hint as to the current state (e.g. I uninstalled this application then, but I've since reinstalled it)
[16:21] <mac_v> mpt: is the left pane essential for a history section?
[16:21] <mac_v> couldnt we use the full window
[16:21] <rugby471> mpt: sure, I see your point
[16:21] <mpt> mac_v, it's useful when you want to navigate away from it :-)
[16:22] <mac_v> mpt: we could just add a close button for that , the left pane IMO , seems not necessary for the history
[16:22]  * mpt wonders if mac_v is thinking of iTunes LP
[16:22] <mac_v> hehe ;p
[16:23] <rugby471> mpt: off-topic have you seen the new mockups for gimp 2.8 They look awesome :-) http://www.mmiworks.net/eng/publications/2009/09/gimp-single-mode.html
[16:23] <mpt> mac_v, I don't see that it's any less necessary for History than for any other section. Nor need it be particularly more complicated.
[16:24] <mac_v> the reason i felt not needed > was to use the space , to have a more spacious timeslider and display :)
[16:25] <rugby471> mac_v: I am sure there would be enough space PS: we really want your mockups of this idea :-)
[16:25]  * mac_v having a mild headache right now :( .... but soon ;)
[16:25] <mpt> rugby471, meh. They're trying to solve an OS-level problem at the application level, which makes sense for them, since Gimp is a cross-platform application, but it can't possibly be as good as solving it at the OS level.
[16:26] <tgpraveen> will software store eventually replace synpatic also?
[16:27] <hyperair> i don't think it would
[16:27] <mpt> tgpraveen, yes, in version 2.
[16:27] <mac_v> its is supposed to replace synaptic in 10.10
[16:27] <hyperair> =O
[16:28] <mpt> tgpraveen, though Synaptic will still be available in the repositories if you're a fan.
[16:28] <hyperair> hmmm
[16:28] <tgpraveen> hmm
[16:28] <hyperair> this means that nautilus-share will have to use software store to auto-install samba.
[16:28] <mac_v> yeah , mvo intends to maintain it
[16:28] <hyperair> which means i can no longer keep it syncable from debian.
[16:29] <mpt> hyperair, can't you just use the apt: protocol?
[16:29] <tgpraveen> softwrare store will have to progress a lot. how will we install libraries and stuff as I doubt software store should
[16:29] <hyperair> mpt: does debian have apt: installed by default?
[16:29] <tgpraveen> have libraries and all shown?
[16:29] <hyperair> mpt: apturl i mean
[16:29] <mpt> hyperair, I don't know, it's been about a decade since I ran Debian.
[16:30] <hyperair> mpt: i think it isn't.
[16:31]  * rugby471 thought the GIMP redeisgn was a great thing until mpt open his mouth
[16:31] <rugby471> opened
[16:31] <rugby471> :-)
[16:31] <rugby471> only joking :-)
[16:31] <rugby471> hyperair: software-store will display all libs etc.
[16:31] <mpt> tgpraveen, ok, please describe it specifically in the "Unresolved issues" section of the SoftwareStore spec. (E.g. "When you click on _____, nautilus-share uses ______ to request that synaptic install samba. The Store needs to provide an equivalent mechanism.")
[16:31] <rugby471> hyperair: however we might use an advanced view etc.
[16:31] <rugby471> hyperair: don't worry I am sure mpt has an ace up his sleeve :-)
[16:32] <hyperair> ...is it me or have both of you suddenly confused me with tgpraveen?
[16:32] <rugby471> tgpraveen, mpt: I think using apt-url would be a lot easier
[16:32] <rugby471> hyperair: probably :-)
[16:32] <hyperair> i'm the one concerned about nautilus-share autoinstalling samba, and tgpraveen is the one concerned about installing libs..
[16:32] <mpt> hyperair, sorry, yes. :-)
[16:32]  * hyperair sighs
[16:32] <rugby471> I read over the conversation in 5 secs, maybe I should have taken more time :-)
[16:33] <rugby471> hyperair: now I am confused :-)
[16:33]  * mpt investigates how to color-code people in XChat to avoid this problem
[16:33] <hyperair> mpt: anyway, nautilus-share just execs gksudo synaptic something somethin
[16:33] <hyperair> g
[16:33] <rugby471> hyperair: apt-url samba
[16:33] <rugby471> hyperair: that would be a lot eaier
[16:33] <hyperair> hmm should i make nautilus-share depend on apturl then?
[16:34]  * tgpraveen decides to wait until hyperair 's issue is cleared
[16:34] <rugby471> hyperair: it would be a lot better implementation
[16:34] <hyperair> hmm
[16:34] <hyperair> indeed.
[16:34] <mpt> hyperair, the PackageKit protocol might be the right answer to that too, though again that might have Debian-syncing problems.
[16:34]  * hyperair groans
[16:34]  * rugby471 laughs
[16:34] <mpt> hyperair, we can discuss it at UDS Lucid. :-)
[16:34] <rugby471> mpt: is it actually lucid?
[16:35] <rugby471> mpt: I heard rumours it was a rumour :-)
[16:35] <hyperair> mpt: UDS is so far away. in distance i mean.
[16:35] <mpt> Yes, Lucid Lynx, announced yesterday
[16:35] <rugby471> see you for 30 mins
[16:36] <tgpraveen> mpt:  so how will installing libraries be dealt?
[16:36] <mpt> ha!
[16:37] <mpt> When I Web search for "Lucid Lynx" I get a bunch of audio shop sites, apparently because "Lucid" and "Lynx" are two audio brands adjacent to each other in alphabetical listings
[16:38] <mpt> e.g. http://performanceaudio.com/
[16:39] <mpt> hyperair, we'll have teleconferencing as usual, and Gobby, and mailing lists and wikis. We do try.
[16:39] <hyperair> teleconferencing eh
[16:39] <hyperair> that's interesting
[16:39] <hyperair> i never knew there was such a thing
[16:39] <hyperair> i thought it was just live recordings
[16:40] <mpt> I forget exactly what it's called -- Icecast? something like that
[16:40] <hyperair> i think it was that
[16:40] <mpt> with people listening, and posting responses on IRC
[16:40] <hyperair> but it's not two way is it?
[16:40] <hyperair> ah
[16:40] <hyperair> posting responses
[16:40] <hyperair> yes, that makes sense
[16:53] <mpt> and sometimes we've dialled in people who are particularly expert in the topic being discussed.
[17:02] <rugby471> mpt: the remote participation is not that good though
[17:02] <rugby471> we need something like icecast but for videos
[17:02] <rugby471> mpt: like on ustream
[17:09] <rugby471> mpt: per this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicNotifyOSD
[17:09] <rugby471> mpt: why is AppCenter there?
[17:11] <mpt> rugby471, I have no idea.
[17:11] <rugby471> mpt: Oh I thought you were the drafter :-)
[17:12] <mpt> nup
[17:12] <mpt> I maintain the main NotifyOSD page
[17:12] <rugby471> oh
[17:18]  * mac_v wonders what Anjali is about
[18:10] <tgpraveen> mac_v: it's a modification of evolution
[18:10] <tgpraveen> for netbooks
[18:11] <mac_v> huh!
[18:11] <tgpraveen> oh wait is that wrong
[18:11] <tgpraveen> I think I am mixing something up
[18:11] <mac_v> tgpraveen: i was wondering about > https://launchpad.net/anjali
[18:12]  * mac_v mpt is hiding stuff from us ;p
[18:12]  * mac_v thinks^
[18:12] <tgpraveen> This project’s license is proprietary.
[18:12] <tgpraveen> so duh!
[18:15]  * tgpraveen guesses surprises awaits for us with Lucid
[18:19] <mac_v> tgpraveen: half the world would not know what "Anjali" actually is ;p
[18:20] <mac_v> s/is/means
[18:20] <rugby471> tgpraveen & mac_v : more surprises await us here as well https://launchpad.net/~flash-ubuntu-team :-)
[18:20] <rugby471> or https://launchpad.net/flash-ubuntu
[18:22] <tgpraveen> mac_v: I am from India so I guess I am supposed to what what it mean
[18:22] <tgpraveen> s
[18:23] <mac_v> yup , thats why i mentioned it to you ;)
[18:23] <tgpraveen> ;-)
[18:31] <rugby471> mpt: the progress of the history view http://videobin.org/v/i/ik.ogg
[18:32] <rugby471> mpt: atm it is parsing the history xml file and highlighting (in bold) the days that events have occured on
[18:33] <rugby471> mac_v: for your interest ^
[18:35] <mac_v> rugby471: i'll be adding a mockup in a few mins :)
[18:35] <rugby471> mac_v: awesome!
[18:58] <rugby471> see ya guys
[22:05] <c_korn> jcastro: hello