[02:05] :) === asac_ is now known as asac [09:33] morning === warp10_ is now known as warp10 [16:08] mpt_: hello [16:08] hello rugby471 === mpt_ is now known as mpt [16:09] mpt: did you see my mockup? [16:09] rugby471, I did not. Mockup of what, and where? [16:09] mpt: no worries, here it is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore/Mockups [16:10] ah [16:11] hm [16:11] mpt: that is my idea anyway [16:11] mac_v: you should put a mockup of your idea here ^ [16:11] I wonder if it would make a little more sense for the calendar to be above the list rather than below [16:12] rugby471, making the dates where changes was made bold would be great.. [16:12] so that the two filter-y things, the calendar and the search field, are close to each other [16:12] mpt: good point [16:12] mdc_laptop: absolutely, this is just a first mockup though :-) [16:13] :-) [16:13] rugby471, I like the general "undo" approach [16:13] mpt: if it isn't clear, the bit about the details bit is as follows [16:14] rugby471, though there might be other things you want to do to a package, e.g. reinstall/reconfigure it [16:14] basically there would be a details menu item in the view menu, when you click it, a pop-up window appears giving you the details [16:14] I also wonder what happens to the calendar in a maximized window on a wide screen. :-) [16:14] rugby471, you mean details of the transaction that took place? [16:15] mpt: maybe have the arrow icon in the normal app view so the user can look at the details page? [16:15] mpt: yes [16:15] oh, right, now I actually read what you wrote in the mockup <:-) [16:15] mpt: basically the history section would only list the events that happened [16:15] mpt: ie. applicationx was installed [16:16] the view details would give the user the oppourtunity the see what actually happened [16:16] mpt: ie. packagex and it's dependencies were installed [16:16] etc. [16:16] mpt: yeah sorry about that, it isn't terribly visible :-) [16:17] mpt: oh an application icon in the view wouldn't have the overlay icons btw [16:17] an > and [16:17] mpt: RE:widescreen it would just scale to the width of the window, however I could make it so that the calender doesn't expand [16:20] rugby471, by "the overlay icons" do you mean the installed checkmark? [16:20] popey: hi, how is your boxee box going :-) [16:20] mpt: yup [16:20] mpt: I just used a screenshot from the installed items view, they shouldn't be there [16:21] mpt: thinking about it the history section would also include things like dist-upgrades as well [16:21] rugby471, why not keep the emblem? It would be a useful extra hint as to the current state (e.g. I uninstalled this application then, but I've since reinstalled it) [16:21] mpt: is the left pane essential for a history section? [16:21] couldnt we use the full window [16:21] mpt: sure, I see your point [16:21] mac_v, it's useful when you want to navigate away from it :-) [16:22] mpt: we could just add a close button for that , the left pane IMO , seems not necessary for the history [16:22] * mpt wonders if mac_v is thinking of iTunes LP [16:22] hehe ;p [16:23] mpt: off-topic have you seen the new mockups for gimp 2.8 They look awesome :-) http://www.mmiworks.net/eng/publications/2009/09/gimp-single-mode.html [16:23] mac_v, I don't see that it's any less necessary for History than for any other section. Nor need it be particularly more complicated. [16:24] the reason i felt not needed > was to use the space , to have a more spacious timeslider and display :) [16:25] mac_v: I am sure there would be enough space PS: we really want your mockups of this idea :-) [16:25] * mac_v having a mild headache right now :( .... but soon ;) [16:25] rugby471, meh. They're trying to solve an OS-level problem at the application level, which makes sense for them, since Gimp is a cross-platform application, but it can't possibly be as good as solving it at the OS level. [16:26] will software store eventually replace synpatic also? [16:27] i don't think it would [16:27] tgpraveen, yes, in version 2. [16:27] its is supposed to replace synaptic in 10.10 [16:27] =O [16:28] tgpraveen, though Synaptic will still be available in the repositories if you're a fan. [16:28] hmmm [16:28] hmm [16:28] this means that nautilus-share will have to use software store to auto-install samba. [16:28] yeah , mvo intends to maintain it [16:28] which means i can no longer keep it syncable from debian. [16:29] hyperair, can't you just use the apt: protocol? [16:29] softwrare store will have to progress a lot. how will we install libraries and stuff as I doubt software store should [16:29] mpt: does debian have apt: installed by default? [16:29] have libraries and all shown? [16:29] mpt: apturl i mean [16:29] hyperair, I don't know, it's been about a decade since I ran Debian. [16:30] mpt: i think it isn't. [16:31] * rugby471 thought the GIMP redeisgn was a great thing until mpt open his mouth [16:31] opened [16:31] :-) [16:31] only joking :-) [16:31] hyperair: software-store will display all libs etc. [16:31] tgpraveen, ok, please describe it specifically in the "Unresolved issues" section of the SoftwareStore spec. (E.g. "When you click on _____, nautilus-share uses ______ to request that synaptic install samba. The Store needs to provide an equivalent mechanism.") [16:31] hyperair: however we might use an advanced view etc. [16:31] hyperair: don't worry I am sure mpt has an ace up his sleeve :-) [16:32] ...is it me or have both of you suddenly confused me with tgpraveen? [16:32] tgpraveen, mpt: I think using apt-url would be a lot easier [16:32] hyperair: probably :-) [16:32] i'm the one concerned about nautilus-share autoinstalling samba, and tgpraveen is the one concerned about installing libs.. [16:32] hyperair, sorry, yes. :-) [16:32] * hyperair sighs [16:32] I read over the conversation in 5 secs, maybe I should have taken more time :-) [16:33] hyperair: now I am confused :-) [16:33] * mpt investigates how to color-code people in XChat to avoid this problem [16:33] mpt: anyway, nautilus-share just execs gksudo synaptic something somethin [16:33] g [16:33] hyperair: apt-url samba [16:33] hyperair: that would be a lot eaier [16:33] hmm should i make nautilus-share depend on apturl then? [16:34] * tgpraveen decides to wait until hyperair 's issue is cleared [16:34] hyperair: it would be a lot better implementation [16:34] hmm [16:34] indeed. [16:34] hyperair, the PackageKit protocol might be the right answer to that too, though again that might have Debian-syncing problems. [16:34] * hyperair groans [16:34] * rugby471 laughs [16:34] hyperair, we can discuss it at UDS Lucid. :-) [16:34] mpt: is it actually lucid? [16:35] mpt: I heard rumours it was a rumour :-) [16:35] mpt: UDS is so far away. in distance i mean. [16:35] Yes, Lucid Lynx, announced yesterday [16:35] see you for 30 mins [16:36] mpt: so how will installing libraries be dealt? [16:36] ha! [16:37] When I Web search for "Lucid Lynx" I get a bunch of audio shop sites, apparently because "Lucid" and "Lynx" are two audio brands adjacent to each other in alphabetical listings [16:38] e.g. http://performanceaudio.com/ [16:39] hyperair, we'll have teleconferencing as usual, and Gobby, and mailing lists and wikis. We do try. [16:39] teleconferencing eh [16:39] that's interesting [16:39] i never knew there was such a thing [16:39] i thought it was just live recordings [16:40] I forget exactly what it's called -- Icecast? something like that [16:40] i think it was that [16:40] with people listening, and posting responses on IRC [16:40] but it's not two way is it? [16:40] ah [16:40] posting responses [16:40] yes, that makes sense [16:53] and sometimes we've dialled in people who are particularly expert in the topic being discussed. [17:02] mpt: the remote participation is not that good though [17:02] we need something like icecast but for videos [17:02] mpt: like on ustream [17:09] mpt: per this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicNotifyOSD [17:09] mpt: why is AppCenter there? [17:11] rugby471, I have no idea. [17:11] mpt: Oh I thought you were the drafter :-) [17:12] nup [17:12] I maintain the main NotifyOSD page [17:12] oh [17:18] * mac_v wonders what Anjali is about [18:10] mac_v: it's a modification of evolution [18:10] for netbooks [18:11] huh! [18:11] oh wait is that wrong [18:11] I think I am mixing something up [18:11] tgpraveen: i was wondering about > https://launchpad.net/anjali [18:12] * mac_v mpt is hiding stuff from us ;p [18:12] * mac_v thinks^ [18:12] This project’s license is proprietary. [18:12] so duh! [18:15] * tgpraveen guesses surprises awaits for us with Lucid [18:19] tgpraveen: half the world would not know what "Anjali" actually is ;p [18:20] s/is/means [18:20] tgpraveen & mac_v : more surprises await us here as well https://launchpad.net/~flash-ubuntu-team :-) [18:20] or https://launchpad.net/flash-ubuntu [18:22] mac_v: I am from India so I guess I am supposed to what what it mean [18:22] s [18:23] yup , thats why i mentioned it to you ;) [18:23] ;-) [18:31] mpt: the progress of the history view http://videobin.org/v/i/ik.ogg [18:32] mpt: atm it is parsing the history xml file and highlighting (in bold) the days that events have occured on [18:33] mac_v: for your interest ^ [18:35] rugby471: i'll be adding a mockup in a few mins :) [18:35] mac_v: awesome! [18:58] see ya guys === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk === mpontillo1 is now known as mpontillo [22:05] jcastro: hello