[02:45] <JuanCarlos> hai
[02:45] <ZachK18> what up?
[02:46] <JuanCarlos> Can anyone tell me how to repair my error or repair this error? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/KarmicCountdownBanners
[02:46] <JuanCarlos> i want to post my submission but i dont understand the layout :(
[02:47] <ZachK18> what do you want to do exactly
[02:47] <JuanCarlos> mine is "Juan carlos" i want it like "Andrew H's" post
[02:48] <ZachK18> JuanCarlos, hold on...i think i can fix it
[02:48] <JuanCarlos> :) nice...
[02:49] <JuanCarlos> sometimes these layout on the wiki seems complicated
[02:49] <JuanCarlos> for me at least
[02:49] <ZachK18> they are...hold up
[02:54] <ZachK18> i think it's because it's a jpg but i'm not sure...let me look some more at the coding
[02:55] <JuanCarlos> but it says .JPG is OK
[02:55] <JuanCarlos> :)
[02:55] <ZachK18> i know...that's the weird part
[02:56] <JuanCarlos> maybe a bug, or aliencode
[02:56] <ZachK18> i don't know...
[02:56] <starcraftman> uh oh, wiki problem. Starcraft.man to the rescue!
[02:57] <ZachK18> hey starcraftman...look at this page. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/KarmicCountdownBanners
[02:57] <ZachK18> starcraftman, JuanCarlos can't get it to work...neither can i
[02:57] <ZachK18> it's his prob though...me helping
[02:58] <JuanCarlos> hehe, dont work, but i dont know...
[02:59] <JuanCarlos> some boss would fix it i think :)
[02:59] <ZachK18> starcraftman, you looking at the page my man?
[03:01] <starcraftman> JuanCarlos: refresh page.
[03:01] <starcraftman> {{}} is for embedding images.
[03:02] <JuanCarlos> aaaah i see, it works!   :)
[03:02] <starcraftman> [[link|Text]] Is for hyperlinks, link is URL text is whatever ya want link to read.
[03:02] <ZachK18> can't believe that was it...
[03:02] <JuanCarlos> thank you so much
[03:02] <ZachK18> i shoulda known
[03:02] <starcraftman> JuanCarlos: no problemo, I am a wiki editor after all :)
[03:02] <ZachK18> same here....just not as good...yet
[03:02] <JuanCarlos> so {{http:url-of-the-image}} and nothing more?
[03:03] <starcraftman> ZachK18: hehehe, well consider such a free lesson on links. Can always ask me questions even if stlsaint is my paddy.
[03:03] <starcraftman> JuanCarlos: yup.
[03:03] <JuanCarlos> ok, because i upload more...
[03:03] <JuanCarlos> maybe
[03:04] <starcraftman> JuanCarlos: sure, should put one for its here and coming tomorrow as well.
[03:05] <starcraftman> JuanCarlos: also, I'd blend in the ubuntu logo a bit more. It sticks out a bit too much, or change color maybe? Or desaturate?
[03:05] <starcraftman> just sticks out too much imo.
[03:05] <JuanCarlos> yes i know :s
[03:06] <JuanCarlos> but if i make it white is ugly, if i make it gray is ugly, maybe transparency
[03:07] <starcraftman> I like the background image though, nice, bit biased cuz I'm a kde user I guess
[03:07] <ZachK18> starcraftman, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DocumentationTemplate i messed it up...
[03:08] <starcraftman> ZachK18: have to fix up another page do i? Trouble :p
[03:08] <ZachK18> starcraftman, well i did NOT intend to do what i did...
[03:08] <ZachK18> starcraftman, realized my serious mistake
[03:09] <ZachK18> starcraftman, can you fix my huge error?
[03:09] <starcraftman> ZachK18: lol, calm down, it's just a template, nobody cares! :)
[03:09] <starcraftman> I'm just messing with ya.
[03:09] <starcraftman> Also, lesson 2 of today.
[03:10] <ZachK18> starcraftman, hey don't do that two me man....i'm trying to join the team...not get banned for being an idiot!
[03:10] <starcraftman> Pull up edit bar, next to Edit > Pagehistory. Click that.
[03:10] <starcraftman> Next you'll see a new page with all the revisions to wiki, small or large.
[03:11] <starcraftman> At right you can view any revision, in middle top, you'll see diff column. Ya can see chagnes made to any two revisions (i.e. it sees what lines changed) Don't have to be side by side.
[03:11] <starcraftman> also lists of course, editor, comments, time etc...
[03:12] <starcraftman> ZachK18: relax, worst thing that happens is ya delete entire page and I tell Rocket to restore it to a previous revision. We are very relaxed on team, if ya went and did that to 50 wiki pages on purpose then we'd be mad.
[03:12] <starcraftman> admins have power to restore to a given revision like a snapshot.
[03:12] <ZachK18> starcraftman, ok whew
[03:13]  * Rocket2DMn peeks
[03:13] <starcraftman> ZachK18: lesson 3 for you is don't worry so much. We are easy going.
[03:13] <starcraftman> hey Rocket2DMn
[03:13] <Rocket2DMn> o/
[03:13] <starcraftman> ya wanna restore this template page quick, to previous revision> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DocumentationTemplate
[03:13] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: ^
[03:14] <starcraftman> saves me manually reeditting.
[03:14] <starcraftman> if your not busy oh mighty one, I don't mind so much.
[03:15] <Rocket2DMn> omg ZachK18 how could you! you're a terrible person for editing that page ;)
[03:15] <ZachK18> shut up! i'm freaking out enough as it is
[03:15] <Rocket2DMn> im just playin of course, do you need to copy material off of it before i revert it?
[03:15] <ZachK18> no
[03:15] <ZachK18> let me do it though...won't learn otherwise
[03:16] <Rocket2DMn> i dont think you can revert the page
[03:16] <starcraftman> ZachK18: hehe, ya need to relax a bit. Or else you'll get way too stressed out.
[03:16] <starcraftman> ZachK18: also, you'd have to manually edit the page and restore it to way previous revision was. Rocket can just revert revisions with his 1337 admin powers.
[03:17] <starcraftman> ZachK18: this leads us to Lesson 0 btw. Never push save unless ya mean it. :)
[03:17] <ZachK18> well let me try once ok? how else am i to learn and be able to be accepted as a member?
[03:17] <starcraftman> ZachK18: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/Formatting
[03:18] <starcraftman> ZachK18: theres a wiki sandbox page there ya can play in.
[03:18] <starcraftman> also has lots of info on formatting. See other pages for more topics.
[03:18] <Rocket2DMn> you can play on the team wiki too, like under your own personal page
[03:18] <Rocket2DMn> for example, i have a sandbox here which i play in - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Rocket2DMn/Sandbox
[03:18] <starcraftman> Rocket's suggestion also valid.
[03:18] <starcraftman> Up to you.
[03:20] <ZachK18> i gotta go unfortunately so just do it...tell me how though later
[03:21] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: hehe, love his spirit but he needs to relax a bit.
[03:21] <starcraftman> hehe, thought he was gonna blow an artery a bit there.
[03:22] <Rocket2DMn> lol, oh well, we could all need to relax a bit more sometimes
[03:22] <Rocket2DMn> i know i do, esp after these last few weeks
[03:22] <Rocket2DMn> ill rever his changes
[03:23] <Rocket2DMn> done
[03:23] <Rocket2DMn> starcraftman, his LP avatar makes him look pretty young
[03:23] <Rocket2DMn> thats ok though
[03:26] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: oh indeed, I'll mess with him extra specially to get him to relax :p
[03:41] <starcraftman> JuanCarlos: work ok on images ?
[03:42] <JuanCarlos> yes ATM
[03:43] <jikuty> for someone who wants to start contributing to documentation, is the Community Wiki the best place to start?
[03:45] <starcraftman> jikuty: that is a good question. Depends if ya want to do wiki work, if ya want to do system documentation (i.e. the documentation comes local to ubuntu) then no.
[03:46] <starcraftman> Otherwise, yes, we do wiki work there.
[03:47] <jikuty> i see, i'd imagine it's harder to get started with system documentation as a new contributor though
[03:48] <starcraftman> jikuty: different things. To do wiki work ya need to learn the markup, to do system documentation well its not the same. I'm no expert on it, but don't think its much harder. It is separate though, diferent work.
[03:48] <jikuty> i see
[03:48] <starcraftman> jikuty: system docs mostly work from bzr and its like dev work though bugs are text not coding. I more of a wiki editor though.
[03:49] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: Care to elaborate?
[03:49] <jikuty> oh, ok
[03:49] <dsas> system docs is just a different set of markup really, more like html but with different tags
[03:49] <jikuty> would a familiarity with LaTeX help?
[03:50] <dsas> jikuty, being unfamiliar with latex I'm not sure :)
[03:50] <dsas> the system docs are written in docbook XML
[03:50] <jikuty> ah, i'm not familiar with it (yet!)
[03:51] <starcraftman> dsas: ah, thanks for replying. Ah yes, docbook XML...
[03:51] <dsas> jikuty, It's mostly quite easy to pick up as you read the docs to be honest.
[03:51] <starcraftman> jikuty: so it's not really a harder or easier, just different things to learn. If ya want to get into wiki work, hit me up. I do lots. :)
[03:52] <jikuty> are there any plans to improve the organization of the community wiki? from the user's perspective, it seems like just a huge mess of pages with little coherence
[03:52] <jikuty> starcraftman, thanks - i might do just that
[03:52] <starcraftman> dsas: +1 Looking at source ya can pick up most markups, lil documentation and asking questions help too :).
[03:53] <dsas> sure, I think there is a docbook primer in the wiki somewhere actually...
[03:53] <starcraftman> jikuty: wiki.ubuntu ya mean? Well ya, it's kinda messy and the community huc pages are the main effort.
[03:53] <starcraftman> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DocBook
[03:54] <jikuty> thanks
[03:54] <starcraftman> ^ Those pages are where main effort for wiki documentation is, we keep it clean. wiki.ubuntu to be honest, it's a dumping ground for proposals, homepages, old deprecated info and etc...
[03:54] <starcraftman> It'll stay messy....... forever. By design.
[03:54] <jikuty> oic
[03:55] <ZachK18> hey i'm back
[03:55] <starcraftman> ZachK18: Indeed.
[03:55] <starcraftman> and I, I..... well I never left.
[03:55] <starcraftman>  :)
[03:55] <ZachK18> lol
[03:55]  * ZachK18 and starcraftman are funny
[03:56] <dsas> jikuty, You may already have found it but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation has info on getting started with the system docs
[03:56] <starcraftman> ah, picking up on that. Yes, I try. So you better relax buddy, or you'll never survive. Especially seeing as I'm one of the more active bt wiki members :p
[03:56] <dsas> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Wiki for getting started with wii docs
[03:56] <starcraftman> ZachK18: ^
[03:57] <ZachK18> starcraftman, yes
[03:57] <jikuty> dsas: yep, i've taken a quick look at those.. i'm going to read them in a bit more depth later
[03:57] <dsas> jikuty, cool :)
[03:57] <jikuty> starcraftman: so are the pages in the "Index of available pages" ever actually used by users?
[03:58] <jikuty> ^ at https://help.ubuntu.com/community
[03:58] <starcraftman> jikuty: you might prefer > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/Formatting for documetnation, seems like the wiki.ubuntu ones are a bit unfinished and got moved here.
[03:58] <starcraftman> or at least wiki one.
[03:59] <starcraftman> ZachK18: good good, anyway, Rocket2DMn fixed the page in a few seconds. So, what ya wanna do?
[03:59] <starcraftman> jikuty: well they on welcome page, people better use em. I'm not responsible for that one.
[04:00] <starcraftman> jikuty: >https://wiki.ubuntu.com/starcraft.man
[04:00] <ZachK18> well i'm editing a wiki page...(page i made) my doc thing i told you about? or did i not tell you..
[04:01] <starcraftman> if ya want to see some pages I've done jikuty, see wiki section of my homepage. They can be good for studying source, just don't edit unless a problem.
[04:01] <starcraftman> ZachK18: nope
[04:02] <ZachK18> starcraftman, oh...ok...well i'm making a wiki page documentting how to load Firebird DBMS, Apache2, PHP5, PEAR, and FlameRobin on Ubuntu Jaunty
[04:03] <jikuty> starcraftman: thanks, i'll definitely take a look at them and see what i can learn
[04:03] <starcraftman> ZachK18: ok, just be sure not overlapping somewhere. We might have entries for em, somewhere. Always search first.
[04:03] <ZachK18> no...you don't
[04:03] <JuanCarlos> New series coming soon, bamboo, koala; koala, bamboo :)  http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7374/bannerkarmic2day30.jpg
[04:04] <ZachK18> hey JuanCarlos get the coc signed?
[04:05] <ZachK18> wait...not you
[04:05] <starcraftman> JuanCarlos: yay, that is awesome! Just two notes. Maybe put a koala faded in the background and make the days left just a tiny bit more noticeable imo. But nice, I like it. Background and effects over are good. :)
[04:06] <JuanCarlos> tech and nature, the back ground
[04:06] <starcraftman> JuanCarlos: yup, works. Just tweak it ever so slightly and I think it'll be perfect :)
[04:07] <JuanCarlos> ok
[04:07] <ZachK18> starcraftman, thanks for the forums friending add
[04:08] <starcraftman> ZachK18: I did? Not seeing ya on my list.
[04:09] <ZachK18> starcraftman, hmm....wait...
[04:10] <ZachK18> nope...i didn't add you starcraftman....look me up under Zachk18 on the forums and ad me
[04:12] <starcraftman> there ya go.
[04:13] <starcraftman> ZachK18: also, making me do work? Really? That's -10 points towards getting membership. :p
[04:13] <ZachK18> starcraftman, ok i'll ad you
[04:13] <ZachK18> starcraftman, sit tight lazy boy
[04:13] <starcraftman> ZachK18: lol, lazy boy.
[04:14] <starcraftman> ZachK18: now your just plain never getting membership. I'll have ya peeling potatoes belo' decks, avast. And swabbing the decks till they shine!
[04:14] <starcraftman> oh and I did add ya.
[04:14] <ZachK18> starcraftman, aye captain....lol....plz let me join!
[04:14] <ZachK18> i caught that
[04:15] <ZachK18> think i have a good chance of being accepted? what with all my posts and my doc for firebird and all that?
[04:16] <starcraftman> hehe, don't worry about it ZachK18, it comes in time. It's not an X > Y, being full member isn't magical either. You just listen to your mentor and you'll be up for vote before ya know it.
[04:16] <ZachK18> sweet
[04:17] <ZachK18> well i gotta go continue my project of my doc page
[04:17] <starcraftman> ZachK18: no worries, enjoy.
[04:17] <ZachK18> starcraftman, here's the link...it's still a work in progress of course but I value your opinion... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu with Firebird Database
[04:17] <ZachK18> wait....
[04:17] <ZachK18> don't do that
[04:18] <starcraftman> nope, copy url at top with extra /firebird or what not.
[04:18] <ZachK18> i can't have spaces
[04:18] <starcraftman> also remember I only see what ya applied to page, not what your editting.
[04:18] <ZachK18> so i'm gonna delete the page and make a new one
[04:18] <ZachK18> without spaces
[04:19] <starcraftman> whats url of one ya made, lemme see.
[04:19] <starcraftman> Also, only admins can delete hehe.
[04:19] <ZachK18> not when it's my page
[04:20] <starcraftman> you can blank out pages by removing all text. But only admins can actually delete entry pointing to a page.
[04:20] <ZachK18> hmmm
[04:20] <Rocket2DMn> anybody can delete pages on w.u.c
[04:20] <ZachK18> ah ok
[04:21] <Rocket2DMn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firebird1.5
[04:21] <Rocket2DMn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firebird2.0
[04:22] <Rocket2DMn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firebird2.1
[04:22] <ZachK18> yeah but those don't cover what i'm doing
[04:22] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: ah, k, I stand corrected :). How ya doing btw?
[04:23] <Rocket2DMn> ive been better
[04:23] <Rocket2DMn> my team lost today, so that puts me in a less-than-ideal mood
[04:23] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: lost? What were ya playing?
[04:23] <Rocket2DMn> i wasnt playing, i was yelling at the tv
[04:23] <Rocket2DMn> college football
[04:23] <starcraftman> oh lol
[04:24] <starcraftman> sorry, what was I thinking. An IRC guy actually going out to play a real sport :p
[04:25] <Rocket2DMn> lol
[04:27] <ZachK18> Rocket2DMn, the pages you listed are for firebird alone.....i've not yet found one doc or wiki page ANYWHERE that details how to set up a ftp server with apache2, php5, pear, and firebird dbms
[04:27] <ZachK18> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu-with-Firebird-Database
[04:28] <dsas> ZachK18, You don't need to document them all on one page
[04:28] <Rocket2DMn> what is pear?
[04:28] <dsas> cpan for php
[04:28] <ZachK18> pear is for php5-interbase with firebird
[04:29] <Rocket2DMn> oic
[04:29] <Rocket2DMn> what is the primary goal of setting these tools up together?
[04:29] <ZachK18> and dsas yes i do.....i've had several posts on the forums asking how to make this stuff work on ubuntu and nobody knows...people have replied to those posts with questions....exact questions i had...how to do it
[04:30] <ZachK18> the primary goal is to set up an FTP server...these programs work just fine on Windows and setting them up on windows is a breeze....on ubuntu....not so much
[04:30] <dsas> ZachK18, excuse my ignorance, I was under the impression you just had to install php5-interbase
[04:30] <dsas> don't really know much about the subject though
[04:30] <ZachK18> no....you need pear as well
[04:30] <ZachK18> that's why i'm trying to join the doc and wiki team...for this reason...
[04:31] <ZachK18> because I've talked to Artificial Intelligence on the forums...even he didn't know how to make this stuff work
[04:32] <ZachK18> so....see my point gentlemen?
[04:32] <starcraftman> ZachK18: consider me completely ignorant on server stuff for the purposes of this discussion. I do local stuff.
[04:33] <ZachK18> local meaning what
[04:33] <starcraftman> ZachK18: not server.
[04:33] <dsas> ZachK18, Not convinced you have to document an ftp and apache server at the same page as the firebird for php....but then I'm not an expert on the subject.
[04:33] <ZachK18> trust me...it's a good idea
[04:33] <jikuty> starcraftman: how long have you been involved with wiki contributions?
[04:33] <dsas> ZachK18, By all means go ahead and share the link after
[04:34] <ZachK18> this issue almost made me go back to windows
[04:34] <starcraftman> ZachK18: ya might want to ask mail list. Doc team has one, how people usually talk. Might wanna sk for feedback on draft, I'm sure someone on mail list has more experience.
[04:34] <ZachK18> i loved ubuntu...this made me hate it...still love it but now that i've got this working i love it even more
[04:34] <dsas> ZachK18, Get a draft or outline going then ask for feedback if you want. It may be clearer to some of us then
[04:35] <ZachK18> i've gotta go offline...moving pc upstairs.....again....my little bro has to watch Emperor's New Groove....again......
[04:35] <starcraftman> jikuty: good question. Not too long, since begining of summer. I been linux user far longer since early 6.06, and I was a forums support person far longer with over 2700 posts to date :)
[04:35] <starcraftman> I do a bit of everything. :)
[04:35] <jikuty> starcraftman: impressive :)
[04:35] <ZachK18> l8r guys
[04:35] <jikuty> i'm fairly new to the ubuntu community myself, i've only been using any version of linux for about 1.5 years
[04:36] <ZachK18> i'm considering myself a partial team member.....is that ok
[04:36] <ZachK18> what with all the wonderful teasing you've guys have given me....starcraftman
[04:37] <starcraftman> lol
[04:37] <Rocket2DMn> geez what did you do to him starcraftman , meanie!
[04:37] <starcraftman> jikuty: ah I see, welcome aboard then :)
[04:37] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: LOL!
[04:37] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: Me? I'm an angel!
[04:37]  * starcraftman puts on innocent look.
[04:38] <Rocket2DMn> well i wouldnt know anything about that
[04:38] <jikuty> starcraftman: thanks! i really love the project/community, so i'd love to give back to it at some point... documentation/forums seem like a good place to start.
[04:40] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: I'm not that bad, I know worse people than I! Besides, what other fun would there be than to pick on new guys just a bit, gotta get em introduced properly :)
[04:40] <starcraftman> jikuty: thats the spirit.
[04:43] <jikuty> alright.. i'm off for now.
[04:43] <starcraftman> later jikuty
[04:44] <jikuty> thanks for the information guys, i'll do a detailed read of the information sooner or later
[04:44] <ZachK18> i'v vack
[04:45] <starcraftman> ZachK18: I see, and dun worry about the messing, I'm always like this. Gotta keep the amusement rolling on else life gets drab!
[04:45] <ZachK18> starcraftman, i agree
[04:46] <starcraftman> good.
[04:46] <ZachK18> so
[04:46] <ZachK18> want a link to my wiki page i'm making?
[04:49] <starcraftman> I'll wait till ya finish more, still got ways to go and left template at bottom. If ya want some pointers, see examples from my wiki work on how to structure and format. Just don't apply after looking at the source :)
[04:49] <ZachK18> yeah
[04:49] <starcraftman> ZachK18: Also has good tips. Read different sections from top header > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/Formatting
[04:49] <ZachK18> well, i've work to do on it so l8r man
[06:49] <Zachk18> anybody here?
[06:49] <Zachk18> or just me
[15:11] <Rocket2DMn> So how do we know if a package has apport hooks or not?
[15:11] <Rocket2DMn> oops wrong channel