[00:07] <superm1> Technophil, run apt-get -f install
[00:11] <Technophil> Already did that, got 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[00:11] <Technophil> Also ran sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get -f install; sudo apt-get u
[00:11] <Technophil> (via Google)
[00:15] <Technophil> superm1: System monitor says its now 9.04 however Synaptic repositories still refers to the 8.10 CD, so I am not sure what is expected where...(!) and I am thinking might pay to just do a clean install.
[00:19] <Technophil> This box is a frontend so its not such a big deal to reinstall....just the hours involved, however perhaps there is a relevant issue and / or a fix?
[00:21] <Technophil> Its also a vdpau box running JYA's stuff, perhaps that might be relevant?
[00:52] <mrand> Howdy!  Finally getting around to upgrading to 9.04 (I couldn't afford the downtime this summer if anything broke), so I'm issuing a "sudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop".  I'm wondering if I should continue this though, because what it wants to remove looks wrong.  Stuff like:  libmyth-python mytharchive mythtv-backend mythtv-backend-master mythvideo
[00:52] <mrand> I'm guessing that it is removing those because of some dependency issue, but I can't figure out what or why.  Any ideas/hints?
[03:35] <superm1> mrand, Ooh that's potentially bad
[03:36] <superm1> I bet it's because of msyql, there is a bug opened against mysql-server about something like that
[03:50] <mrand> Depends: mythtv-database (=0.21.0+fixes19961-0ubuntu8) but 0.21.0+fixes21768-0ubuntu0+mythbuntu1 is to be installed
[03:50] <mrand>  Depends: mythtv-backend but it is not going to be installed
[03:51] <mrand> That was the synaptic depends output for mythtv-backend-master, BTW.
[03:57] <superm1> mrand, interesting, the weekly repos should have been getting disabled for the upgrade
[03:58] <superm1> mrand, if you could leave that box in this state, mvo in #ubuntu-devel can probably help identify what's up on Monday
[03:58] <superm1> he maintains the release upgrader
[04:24] <mrand> mythmusic and others are at 21768, but mythbackend and mythvideo are at 19961 and 19556.  Unfortunately this is my production box that I'm upgrading to 9.04.  I realized after my last note above that weekly isn't enabled any more.
[04:24] <mrand> I enabled the PPA, and it found the 21768.
[04:26] <superm1> well you can let it do that removal stuff and then just manually get stuff reinstalled
[04:26] <superm1> wouldn't do too much harm
[04:27] <superm1> Technophil, JYA's stuff has broken version numbers, so i wouldnt be surprised if that was the root cause
[04:28] <Technophil> superm1: I am in the final throws of upgrade.....  so guess I'll find out!  Just adding his stuff now...
[04:29] <superm1> Technophil, you are better off with 0.22 and native vdpau support (imo)
[04:29] <mrand> I agree with superm1, technophil.
[04:30] <Technophil> I guess that means its got past that point....  I presume that means FE/BE and FE must all be upgraded?
[04:31] <superm1> Yes
[04:32] <Technophil> Well having got this far might as well finish it off....if you are interested of its functioning I'll let you know...
[04:32] <Technophil> (And if its not then I'll be taking your advice also!)
[04:32] <Technophil> Anyone know what mythbuntu 9.10 will install?
[04:32] <superm1> 0.22
[04:33] <superm1> it's already part of the 9.10 repos
[04:33] <Technophil> Is that available to install now?
[04:33] <Technophil> (Obviously not final)
[04:33] <superm1> Yeah
[04:33] <superm1> you can grab a cd image from cdimages.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu
[04:34] <Technophil> OK Thanks, that was my last question!
[04:34] <mrand> Time to reboot.  bbl (hopfully)!
[04:34] <superm1> there are both daily images and a karmic alpha 6
[04:34] <superm1> gl mrand  :)
[04:36] <Technophil> I suppose karmic alpha 6's ok to go with and can be kept up to date from there?
[04:38] <superm1> that's the theory at least
[04:38] <superm1> the major breakage should be done by now
[04:39] <Technophil> I guess that breakage means breakage of the mountain of getting 0.22 working....!
[04:40] <superm1> well that was the first set of breakage, the next was switching to upstart from sysvinit
[04:40] <superm1> it broke all of *buntu karmic for like two days, to the point where you couldn't boot the system
[04:40] <Technophil> Ouch!
[04:40] <superm1> thankfully, that's all sorted out though now, and there are no other major things planned with such potential to break
[04:41] <superm1> should just be bug fixes
[04:41] <mrand> *phew*...  up and everything works.  Minor strangeness: transitioning from top level to second level menu is very so to repaint.
[04:41] <mrand> so = slow
[04:41] <Technophil> 93 tickets.......93 known bugs?
[04:41] <superm1> check that you have the right driver being used mrand /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:42] <superm1> well those are 93 mythtv tickets.  all sorts of integration issues still exist on mythbuntu too
[04:42] <superm1> mrand has been doing a phenomenal job in triaging and tracking a ton of them :)
[04:42] <mrand> Thanks. :-)
[04:43] <Technophil> Well....is there a better OS to run with?  ubuntu or mythbuntu or nothing in it?
[04:44] <Technophil> It seems to me ubuntu may be better if one wants to keep other apps more up to date e.g. vlc?  Otherwise not much else?
[04:44] <mrand> I didn't see that they'd knocked more out, in addition to the ones that continue coming in.  I was really surprised how quickly they resolved those two I submitted late last night.  I was expecting them to say they needed better back traces.
[04:45] <mrand> Technophil: it's really a matter of personal preference.  You can get all the same apps either way.
[04:45] <mrand> standard will install extra stuff that a media machine doesn't need
[04:45] <mrand> open office, etc.
[04:45] <superm1> Technophil, well so keep in mind that mythbuntu and ubuntu share the same repos. anything you find in ubuntu is available and installable in mythbuntu too
[04:45] <superm1> its more of a remix of what gets installed
[04:46] <superm1> to start with
[04:46] <superm1> and actually vlc is installed in the default install of mythbuntu whereas it isn't in ubuntu :)
[04:46] <mrand> hehehe, oh yeah, that's right.
[04:47] <mrand> My machine is multi-purpose, so I initially chose to do ubuntu and then added mythbuntu-control-center.
[04:48] <Technophil> Where I am (NZ) the latest VLC for live H264 is relevant.    Still maybe mythtv 0.22 is going to take over, especially with the vdpau advantage.
[04:54] <Technophil> Any of you had any experience of running two video cards simultaneously - essentially I want 2 simultaneous outputs, one is HD via component using a PCIe card (no problem there) and a second PCI card (9400GT) to output composite scaled down SD video copy of the HD.
[04:54] <superm1> i'm not sure that's actually doable
[04:54] <Technophil> The SD is to feed a SD analogue modulator for old TV's to watch the same video in differing rooms
[04:55] <Technophil> Would it be doable with a 150?
[04:55] <superm1> if the same card had two different outputs, say component and composite, then you can do clone mode on the card itself
[04:59] <Technophil> The composite out is common with the component blue output with the NVIDIA card adapters = means only one or the toher but not both off the same card...
[05:01] <superm1> aw too bad
[05:03] <Technophil> I suppose I could change the TV to one with a digital input, (its only has component HD inputs) and then clone the DVI/VGA to composite.  I think the 9500's will only drive two outputs though, although they do have 3 outs so maybe they'll drive a TV (DVI) a general VGA screen and a composite?  Hmm That would mean need to clone the DVI and composite and a separate X for the general desktop....  SOunds like a big ask also....
[05:07] <superm1> you can only drive two at a time generally
[05:07] <superm1> sounds to me like you are trying to do too much with the box
[05:07] <superm1> i'd leave it for TV usage with the DVI and composite in mirror mode
[05:07] <superm1> and then another box for general desktop
[05:18] <Technophil> superm1:  Hmmm more $!!  OK I appreciate your advice.
[05:23] <Technophil> Damn the vdpau plaback profile now needs a key press to increment.......is there a file one can edit - >2000  is getting a bit much!
[05:23] <Zinn> Technophil: Please watch your language.
[05:29] <Technophil>  the vdpau plaback profile now needs a key press to increment.......is there a file one can edit - >2000  is getting a bit much!
[05:33] <oobe> anyone know about the /etc/init.d/ scripts needing to be updated when switching to trunk
[05:33] <oobe> sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop wont work anymore now i have upgrade
[05:34] <oobe> i can only assume my old mythtv init scripts are still there and need to be modified and updated
[05:52] <oobe> it seems to work now must of need a reboot
[07:52] <Technophil> superm1: JYA's new Frontend is actually working, all be it a little flaky that is typical of myth as it currently is...
[08:20] <luke> anyone using antec fusion remote case for matx boards?
[12:23] <ourtv> i leave on the myth box all the time.  but every morning when i go to watch recordings there are always some shows which give the error message that the recording file is empty.  i reboot and then don't have the problem again until late at night until after i go to bed.
[12:24] <ourtv> i see errors in the logs but i see errors in the logs when things seem to be working, too.  anyway, i did the log grabber thing and it says to paste this here for support: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f2a371c4b
[12:24] <ourtv> i'd appreciate help in pointing out which of the error messages is the cause.
[12:42] <oobe> every time i install mythtv updates i recieve errors that mythtv-database has the incorrect password my sql root password is not blank so i run sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database and in sends me in a loop of not being able to specify the password
[12:44] <oobe> Failed to create or modify database (incorrect admin username/password?)
[13:10] <oobe> sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[13:10] <oobe> [sudo] password for oobe:
[13:10] <oobe> Failed to connect to database (incorrect admin password)
[13:10] <oobe> Failed to create or modify database (incorrect admin username/password?)
[13:10] <oobe> Try:
[13:10] <oobe> sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[13:11] <oobe> so basically what im saying is i type the correct password every single time during dpkg-reconfigure but it fails to understand and proceeds to ask again despite being given the correct password
[13:12] <oobe> can login from a shell using the correct password with mysql -uroot -p
[14:11] <mrand> oobe: What version are you on?  That might help someone answer your question.
[14:18] <oobe> trunk
[14:18] <oobe> but i think it was happening before i upgraded
[14:18] <oobe> im not convinced its a real problem
[14:18] <oobe> but it might be possible i am missing important tables being updated or added
[16:29] <_ben> mmm, i get quite choppy dvd playback - any ideas what to investigate?
[16:29] <_ben> got a sata dvd player
[16:54] <mike_hurley_1> so i'm using mythbuntu alpha 6 and was wondering if the default mythbuntu theme assumes 1280x720?
[16:55] <mike_hurley_1> looking at some of the fanart backdrops, and some come from themoviedb.org as 1920x1080, they appear to be chopped off down to about 1280x720
[16:55] <mike_hurley_1> alpha 6 for karmic of course
[17:00] <mike_hurley_1> i just checked, and the backdrop is chopped to use the left/top most 1280x720
[17:00] <superm1> gbutters, ^
[17:01] <superm1> i think the theme comes in at 1280x720 and scales, gbutters will know for sure though
[17:01] <mike_hurley_1> ok, it appears to not scale
[17:02] <mike_hurley_1> it takes the 1080, chops to 720, and scales to 1080
[17:21] <gbutters> mike_hurley_1: That has been fixed
[17:21] <mike_hurley_1> theme problem or mythvideo?
[17:22] <gbutters> mike_hurley_1: theme
[17:22] <mike_hurley_1> is there a cache i need to clean out or will the next time around show the larger images better?
[17:22] <mike_hurley_1> after updating
[17:24] <gbutters> mike_hurley_1: update from here https://launchpad.net/~gbutters/+archive/mythtv-theme-mythbuntu and clear the cache in /home/<user>/.mythtv/themecache
[17:25] <gbutters> mike_hurley_1: the manager screen is messed up on it but everything else works and looks alot better
[17:26] <mike_hurley_1> the old video manager screen?
[17:26] <gbutters> mike_hurley_1: yes
[17:27] <superm1> gbutters, i can push an updated theme to karmic too if it's in good order
[17:27] <gbutters> superm1: ok let me push it up
[17:33] <gbutters> superm1: revision 57
[17:33] <superm1> cool k gbutters
[17:33] <superm1> thanks
[17:34] <mike_hurley_1> once it's in karmic, how long until apt-get can get it?
[17:35] <superm1> mike_hurley_1, if you are on archive.ubuntu.com mirror, probably 2-3 hours
[17:35] <superm1> if you are on another mirror, a couple hours more
[17:35] <mike_hurley_1> ok
[17:35] <mike_hurley_1> i'm on whatever the default is for alpha6
[17:36] <superm1> well it depends on what location you picked for timezeon
[17:36] <mike_hurley_1> US Central time
[17:38] <superm1> you were probably put on a US mirror then
[17:39] <mike_hurley_1> is mythbuntu/ubuntu dev centralized or all you guys on different mirrors too?
[17:39] <mike_hurley_1> centralized meaning where stuff gets pushed to for apt to find it i guess
[17:40] <superm1> well all development gets pushed to launchpad, and launchpad publishes to archive.ubuntu.com, and all mirrors around the world mirror it from there
[17:44] <mike_hurley_1> thanks guys. i'll check out the fix later. bye
[19:19] <sigkill_> hey, anyone here use the diskless stuff you can do on a backend?
[22:14] <_ben> yo, anyone about?
[22:20] <superm1> !hi | _ben
[22:20] <Zinn> _ben: Hi $nick, how are you?  Something we can help you with today?
[22:22] <_ben> mmm, testing something
[22:22] <_ben> changing dvd drive speed to 12x may have sorted my stuttering/choppy dvd playback
[22:23] <_ben> it's better - still a little choppy tho
[22:23] <_ben> running out of ideas to try :/
[22:50] <superm1> with 0.22?
[22:50] <superm1> i'm seeing choppiness too, but i've not been sure whether to attribute it to lower end hardware
[22:51] <superm1> xine can handle it, but i've never had good luck with mythtv Internal player
[22:52] <_ben> mmm
[22:52] <_ben> yes, using trunk
[22:52] <superm1> you might want to raise it on #mythtv-users and/or make a ticket
[22:52] <_ben> recorded TV is perfect - DVD playback outside of mythtv is fine
[22:52] <superm1> yeah same here
[22:53] <superm1> shame too, because i've switched to using Internal for all other mythvideo
[22:53] <_ben> Yeah
[23:07] <_ben> mmm
[23:16] <_ben> superm1: you on the mailing list?
[23:16] <_ben> (mythtv-users)?
[23:53] <superm1> _ben, on a secondary email adddress that i never check (it's only so i can respond to a mailing list post if i ever need to)
[23:53] <_ben> mm
[23:54] <_ben> might just leave it for the momemnt
[23:54] <_ben> what cpu do you use btw?
[23:54] <superm1> _ben, model name	: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+
[23:55] <superm1> but i run a 32 bit install so that i can have flash
[23:55] <_ben> same
[23:55] <_ben> well
[23:56] <_ben> running E2180 @ 2.00GHz, 2GB ram
[23:56] <superm1> i need more ram, i've only got a gig and this is a combo box
[23:56] <_ben> hehe
[23:56] <_ben> i think i could use more ram too - it's lightly swapping
[23:57] <superm1> i axed my old separate backend because it was too loud
[23:57] <_ben> don't thing thats causing the stuttering tho
[23:57] <superm1> for me its a little more than light..
[23:57] <superm1> Swap:          556        358        198
[23:57] <superm1> (total, used, free)
[23:57] <_ben> Swap:      6016300       8232    6008068
[23:57] <_ben> :)
[23:57] <superm1> that's definitely not causing the stuttering, i can run it as the box is freshly started up
[23:57] <superm1> and same problems with dvd playback for me
[23:58] <_ben> yeah
[23:58] <_ben> i mentioned it in mythtv-users but i suspect the devs avoid that chan :p
[23:58] <_ben> i know i would
[23:58] <superm1> well they're present there, just they dont focus on everything in there
[23:59] <_ben> yeah