[00:12] <giovani> jmarsden: unless ubuntu has changed recently -- sysfs.conf is used to change /sys values, while sysctl.conf is used to change /proc values -- this is a /sys value
[00:14] <jmarsden> giovani: OK, could be... sysctl.conf is the one that is always there on my systems, and which I have used, not sysfs.conf.  When using sysfs.conf didn't seem to work for the OP, I thought maybe there was confusion over the filename.
[00:14] <giovani> nah, this is a /sys value, I'm 95% sure
[00:41] <Vashta_Nerada> .,.,.,.,.
[04:33] <android60> is there a log file for transmission-daemon?
[05:35] <tpeden> I'm trying to run gvim or redcar from my ubuntu server over ssh to edit some files using X11 Forwarding, but I get this error: Xlib:  extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display "localhost:10.0".
[05:39] <jmarsden> tpeden: That should be harmless... see http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2008-October/039134.html
[05:39] <tpeden> is anyone alive in here lol
[05:39] <tpeden> oh snap!
[05:40] <tpeden> It's slowing the app startup and the app itself WAY down
[05:41] <jmarsden> Odd, it's not supposed to matter. Maybe run a local editor and edit the files over sshfs?  or use Emacs and use TRAMP to get at the files??  I don't know if vim has a remote file access setup like Emacs TRAMP...
[05:41] <tpeden> I mean, the apps do start, just takes like a minute (no exaggeration either) and then they are very slow at responding (and the server is on gbit network, sitting next to my dt)
[05:42] <tpeden> A friend of mine suggested using -YC
[05:43] <tpeden> but it didn't seem to help, plus I don't know what -Y is on PuTTY (when I'm in Windows)
[05:43] <giovani> tpeden: what makes you think the slowness is related to the warning?
[05:46] <tpeden> Well, I was doing this in 8.10 just fine, no errors and no slowness. I had to reinstall ubuntu (hardware upgrade) and I of course installed Jaunty and started getting this error and the slowness... tho I did study statistics so I am aware correlation does not prove causation... so they could very well be unrelated
[05:49] <jmarsden> tpeden: Your desktop is running Windows?  With what X server?  Can you upgrade that to a newer version, maybe??
[05:50] <tpeden> Xming?
[05:51] <jmarsden> If you pay, the Xming guy will give you access to a newer version that the one he makes available free of charge... no idea if that would help, but
[05:51] <jmarsden> it might be worth a try?
[05:52] <tpeden> lol awesome!
[07:33] <vraa_> does someone know how to set 3 of the 4 network interfaces to be "down" so my 'server' reboots without having to press ctrl+alt+del at the ubuntu boot up portion?
[07:33] <vraa_> i think that's what i need to do
[07:33] <vraa_> http://pastebin.com/m39bad4cc -- that is my /etc/network/interfaces
[07:33] <vraa_> http://pastebin.com/m1a421cf9 -- and that's "sudo ifconfig -a"
[09:15] <Vog> morning all...
[09:17] <Vog> Have a question about what the fastest method would be to send lost of small files over a fast network between 2 servers. Basically getting one home directory and moving it over to another machine maintaining the permissions.
[09:17] <Vog> ^^lots of
[09:17] <maxb> I would tar | ssh othermachine untar
[09:19] <Vog> yeah I was thinking the same thing....
[09:19] <Vog> somethign like tar -cf - /path/to/dir | ssh remote_server 'tar -xvf - -C /path/to/remotedir'
[09:19] <twb> The quotes are optional, and -f - is totally unnecessary.
[09:20] <twb> e.g. tar -C /etc -c ssh | ssh fs tar -C /etc -x
[09:22] <Vog> I'll give that a shot thx for the input...
[09:22] <twb> FWIW I do that regularly and it works fine.
[09:22] <twb> Though doing it over ssh is slow if you are on a trusted network
[09:23] <twb> ssh fs -f 'nc -l 12345 | tar -C /etc -x' && tar -C /etc -c ssh | nc fs 12345
[09:23] <twb> ...something like that would do it unencrypted (untested).
[09:24] <Vog> ooo... good point\
[09:24] <twb> You will also probably want to run tar as root on both ends, because only root can do some chown-type operations.  And if you are dealing with heterogeneous chroots, --numeric-owner is vital.
[09:25] <twb> Finally, I can't vouch for whether it will preserve extended attributes or sockets.
[09:25] <Vog> I'll try this now and report the results so far it is progressing nicely.
[09:26] <twb> Oh, and if this is a local network, you might be able to tune NFSv3 to be faster.
[09:26] <twb> Out of the box, I think it'll be slower than tar + nc
[10:32] <Matty-uk> Is there an alternative keyserver that i can use instead of keyserver.ubuntu.com.  I've googled it without success?
[10:33] <twb> Matty-uk: depends what keys you want.
[10:33] <twb> I have "keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net" in my .gnupg/gpg.conf, but that's probably old-school.
[10:33] <twb> I think MIT also has a reasonably centralized keyserver.
[10:38] <Matty-uk> Cheers MIT one worked
[10:47] <twb> What is the MIT one, btw?
[10:54] <Matty-uk> pgp.mit.edu
[10:55] <Vog> twb: I htink I had something wrong with my syntax. Copy was successful but it left out files with long filenames.
[10:56] <twb> Vog: hmm, are both hosts running Ubuntu?
[10:56] <twb> Matty-uk: thanks.
[10:56] <Vog> Yep
[10:56] <twb> Vog: dunno, then
[10:56] <twb> Vog: are both filesystems ext3?
[10:57] <Vog> Let me check one of the systems has been thgough a dist upgrade
[10:57] <Vog> yeah both ext3
[10:58] <twb> Vog: did you capture stderr from both processes?  Maybe they complained?
[10:58]  * Vog checking logs
[12:34] <incorrect> apt-get install ubuntu-xen-server install everything i need for xen?
[15:23] <android60> besides df -h is there a way from command line to view disk usage
[15:23] <blak111> du
[15:24] <android60> ok
[15:29] <pipedream> df is quikc, du might take time and should be used with care on a busy fileserver
[15:31] <android60> I have a problem then, I have 2 1TB drives, 1 part on each, sda1 = /media/MainStorage1 sdb1 = /media/ArchiveDisk1, when I do rsync with "rsync --progress -r --delete-before /media/MainStorage1/ /media/ArchiveDisk1" Archive disk shows 29GB more is used than MainStorage1 on completion. I have checked samba etc, and I only see the exact same files.
[15:31] <RoyK> ionice du, perhaps
[15:32] <RoyK> android60: what filesystem(s)?
[15:32] <android60> RoyK: both are XFS
[15:32] <RoyK> k
[15:32] <RoyK> hm
[15:33] <RoyK> try -avP
[15:33] <RoyK> -a == archive
[15:33] <RoyK> man rsync
[15:33] <RoyK> I won't think it'll make much difference, though
[15:34]  * RoyK uses opensolaris/zfs for that sort of stuff - zfs send/receive is neat
[15:35] <android60> so you think zfs better than xfs?
[15:38] <KurtKraut> android60, I'd say ZFS is more feature rich than XFS
[15:41] <RoyK> android60: way better
[15:42] <RoyK> android60: but not gpl, so you need to use it with FUSE on linux
[15:42] <RoyK> generally, it's better to use opensolaris
[15:42] <RoyK> btrfs is an attempt to make a zfs-like FS on linux, but it's not stable yet, and probably won't be for some time
[15:43] <RoyK> give btrfs 6-12 months and it might stabilise - zfs has been stable for some time
[15:44] <RoyK> zfs is close to four years old (after initial stable release)
[15:50] <RoyK> android60: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS <-- it's a wee bit more than XFS and the rest
[15:50] <android60> ok ill check it out
[16:02] <Debolaz> ZFS++
[16:04] <Debolaz> But while ZFS has some very cool technical features, the biggest plus it has is the extreme ease of administration. The tools are almost self-documenting in their simplicity. This is what I'm concerned about if btrfs will be able to replicate. When I've asked questions, I've been told that userfriendly tools aren't a focus.
[16:05] <RoyK> Debolaz: let's hope they will mend their ways - adminfriendlyness is quite important
[16:06] <RoyK> adminfriendliness, even
[16:06] <RoyK> imho userfriendliness doesn't apply to filesystems
[16:07] <Debolaz> The admin is the user of the filesystem tools.
[16:08] <RoyK> well, yes
[16:09] <RoyK> but I like to differ between "userfriendly" and "adminfriendly"
[16:39] <BrixSat> help :S
[16:39] <BrixSat> http://pastebin.com/m2431e1af
[16:39] <BrixSat> i cant solve this (fresh install)
[16:41] <RoyK> you probably have an apt-get update running by another process
[16:42] <shally87> hi, anyone can help me forwarding my server?
[16:42] <shally87> I have a dynamic address, and also ip80
[16:42] <shally87> port 80 i mean
[16:43] <shally87> I follow the instruction from portforward.com
[16:43] <shally87> but still I could not access my server from external IP
[16:43] <shally87> anyone can help me?
[16:44] <BrixSat> yes that was coorect RoyK
[16:44] <BrixSat> thanks
[16:45] <BrixSat> shally87 that is a router issue
[16:45] <BrixSat> nat problem
[16:45] <BrixSat> reboot the router and try again
[16:45] <shally87> how could i fix that?
[16:46] <BrixSat> also inside network try  on browser put the machine ip
[16:46] <shally87> I reboot it for more than 20 times since yesterday
[16:46] <shally87> when i put the machine IP it is functioning
[16:46] <shally87> but when I access the external ip, i could not access
[16:46] <shally87> it show me the log in to the router
[16:47] <shally87> then I change the router to use port 88
[16:47] <shally87> and now I access my router through 192.168.1.1:88
[16:47] <shally87> DCHP is set up for the machine..
[16:48] <shally87> Forgot to mention, i was using vbox.. and every virtual machine got own IP address..
[16:48] <qman__> shally87, many residential grade ISPs block port 80 on their end
[16:49] <shally87> qman_: I've called the ISP and they mention it was not blocked..
[16:49] <shally87> does the ebox disturb this?
[16:50] <qman__> if it shows the log in to the router, the router is preventing it from working
[16:50] <shally87> yes
[16:50] <qman__> in the router, disable remote administration
[16:50] <qman__> and see if that fixes it
[16:51] <shally87> ok..
[16:51] <shally87> oh, my router is DLINK-500T
[16:52] <shally87> remote web management was disable from thebeginning...
[16:53] <bogeyd6> :(
[16:53] <qman__> but accessing your external IP still shows a router login?
[16:53] <shally87> do i need to enable ppoe pass through?
[16:53] <qman__> no
[16:54] <qman__> just port forwarding
[16:54] <shally87> no since I change the router administration to port 88
[16:54] <qman__> if the router has an SPI firewall, that may be interfering
[16:54] <qman__> I've never luck with those on
[16:54] <shally87> but accessing the external IP will give me failed to connect
[16:55] <shally87> :-(
[16:56] <shally87> does ebox disturb the connection?
[16:56] <qman__> does the server have a firewall on?
[16:56] <shally87> on ebox do you mean?
[16:56] <qman__> sudo iptables -L
[16:56] <qman__> I don't know ebox
[16:57] <qman__> web interfaces are overrated
[16:57] <shally87> Chain input, forward and output is accept
[16:58] <qman__> ok then, the server is not dropping the connection
[16:58] <qman__> it must be the router
[16:58] <shally87> should be..
[16:58] <shally87> any fix for that?
[16:58] <shally87> My last resort is buying a new router
[16:58] <qman__> that's pretty much the fix, there's only one more thing for testing
[16:59] <qman__> if the router has a DMZ setting, point it at your server
[16:59] <qman__> this is not a secure setup and is only for testing, of course
[16:59] <qman__> if it still doesn't work, the router is just not going to do it
[16:59] <shally87> if i set up to DMZ, the other should I reset to original or I can keep the modified setting?
[17:00] <qman__> try it both ways
[17:01] <shally87> in modified setting, I already make it using DMZ but not functioning..
[17:01] <shally87> what left is resetting it..
[17:02] <shally87> brb
[17:12] <shally88> hi
[17:12] <shally88> qman__: it's not working
[17:13] <qman__> if even the DMZ setting isn't working, that narrows it down
[17:13] <qman__> we've established that the server is not blocking the connection, so that's not it
[17:14] <qman__> the only remaining things are, if you are using the wrong internal IP, which is unlikely with the amount of work you've been doing
[17:14] <qman__> if the ISP is actually blocking the port, even though they said they aren't
[17:14] <qman__> or if the router is malfunctioning and won't forward traffic
[17:14] <shally88> maybe the router
[17:15] <shally88> my internal Ip i set for the VM is what it was used in the router..
[17:15] <qman__> those three are the only real possibilities left
[17:15] <shally88> then i forward it to the ip which i get.
[17:15] <shally88> but I have confusion over eth0 and eth1.
[17:16] <qman__> oh, wait
[17:16] <qman__> this is more likely a virtual networking problem
[17:16] <okaratas> benc ?
[17:16] <qman__> can you get to the VM from a separate physical machine on the network?
[17:16] <shally88> it is fixed when i dont use virtual machine is it?
[17:16] <okaratas> nick in this way should be BenC..
[17:16] <okaratas> and benc nick not registered..
[17:17] <okaratas> benc is not identified to services (nickserv)
[17:17] <shally88> wait..
[17:17] <qman__> actually, this is really easy to diagnose
[17:17] <qman__> in the virtual machine
[17:17] <qman__> attempt to ping a site on the internet, like google.com
[17:17] <okaratas> this nick registered BenC to debian developer Ben Collins..
[17:18] <qman__> if it doesn't work, you have a virtual networking problem
[17:18] <shally88> I could
[17:18] <qman__> ok
[17:19] <qman__> what type of virtual networking are you using? NAT or bridging?
[17:19] <qman__> NAT could cause issues
[17:19] <shally88> i was wondering in the ifconfig, i was using eth0 in my virtual machine
[17:19] <shally88> bridging
[17:19] <shally88> but when i see the vbox, it was set to eth1
[17:20] <qman__> your virtual machine will have network interfaces and so will the host
[17:20] <qman__> so, the naming could be confusing
[17:20] <qman__> just make sure that whatever interface the virtual machine is bridging to is connected to the network
[17:20] <qman__> if the virtual machine can get to the internet, it's probably set up correctly
[17:21] <shally88> it could
[17:21] <shally88> do you mean if i set the vm to eth1, in the ifconfig of the vm i should see eth1 too?
[17:22] <qman__> no
[17:22] <qman__> in the VM config, you are choosing the host's interface, not the guest's
[17:22] <qman__> the ifconfig in the VM shows the guest interfaces
[17:23] <shally88> ok
[17:23] <qman__> but, all that aside
[17:24] <qman__> if the VM can reach the internet, and you can reach the web site running on the VM from the LAN, the virtual networking is working correctly
[17:24] <shally88> ok
[17:24] <shally88> then should it be the modem itself?
[17:24] <shally88> or?
[17:24] <qman__> could be the router, or the ISP
[17:25] <shally88> the isp should be ok
[17:25] <qman__> yeah, so it's most likely the router itself
[17:25] <shally88> yes.
[17:25] <shally88> I did check the port 80 to my external ip from some website, and it says it is not blocked.
[17:26] <shally88> so this means the router is the problem.
[17:26] <qman__> actually
[17:26] <qman__> if you would /msg me your IP, do you mind if I test?
[17:27] <shally88> i get this from one website now since i change the router admin page to port 88
[17:27] <shally88> Error: I could not see your service on 124.13.94.125 on port (80)
[17:27] <shally88> Reason: Connection timed out
[17:28] <shally88> sorry i went to paste my ip here..
[17:28] <qman__> that's fine, some people are just paranoid about giving that information out
[17:28] <shally88> ok
[17:28] <benc> okaratas: good to know
[17:29] <qman__> yeah, I'm not getting anything at all either
[17:29] <qman__> it's blocking pings too
[17:29] <okaratas> benc, this nickname is owner Ben Collins..
[17:29] <okaratas> /ns info benc
[17:30] <shally88> that is when the DMZ is enable..
[17:30] <shally88> so it is the router problem is it?
[17:30] <qman__> yes
[17:30] <qman__> with DMZ enabled, it should be answering pings
[17:31] <shally88> ok, but does it is affected by the page to the router admin page is change to port 88?
[17:31] <qman__> it doesn't seem to be making a difference
[17:31] <shally88> ok
[17:31] <shally88> since it is like that, what router should be best>
[17:32] <qman__> I like linksys units, the WRT54GL in particular
[17:33] <qman__> but that's a wireless one, it really depends on your needs
[17:33] <shally88> ok..
[17:33] <qman__> I recommend getting a separate modem and router
[17:33] <qman__> the all in one units are prone to these kinds of problems
[17:34] <shally88> what you mean by separate modem and router?
[17:34] <qman__> getting a modem that is not a router, one that only acts as a gateway, and then a router which connects to it, to manage your DHCP and port forwarding, etc.
[17:35] <shally88> owh..
[17:35] <shally88> i guess I have router with modem inside as the phone line directly connected to it..
[17:35] <shally88> btw I still use switch to divide the other pc
[17:35] <qman__> that also increases the number of choices of router you can use
[17:36] <shally88> ok
[17:36] <shally88> here I usually found dlink and aztech..
[17:36] <shally88> which one in your opinion is better?
[17:37] <qman__> I don't know aztech
[17:37] <qman__> but I would not recommend dlink
[17:37] <shally88> oh haha..
[17:37] <shally88> I try to look for linksys
[17:38] <qman__> netgear has some good products too, just make sure you look up the model before you buy to see if it has issues
[17:38] <shally88> ok
[17:39] <shally88> before i try on my server.. do you think a 1mbps download with 384kbps upload is suitable for server?
[17:39] <shally88> web hosting which has around 300visitors daily
[17:39] <qman__> that depends entirely on what you intend to serve and how many people to serve to
[17:39] <qman__> small files, that should be no problem
[17:40] <qman__> keep your images under 500k, no file downloads, etc...
[17:40] <shally88> it is usually depending on the upload is it?
[17:40] <qman__> yes
[17:41] <benc> okaratas:  are you bored?
[17:41] <benc> okaratas:  leave me alone
[17:41] <shally88> if in case the upload is lower than 384 it will not be suitable for a web hosting is it?
[17:42] <shally88> 128kbps for example
[17:42] <qman__> probably not, it depends entirely on how much users need to download from you
[17:42] <qman__> if each web page is only 50k in total, it could work
[17:42] <qman__> if it's image heavy, then no
[17:43] <shally88> oh, haha. The wordpress installation itself is a heavy web app, then that would not work even in 384kbps
[17:43] <qman__> well, the server load is fine, it's the size of the final web pages being served
[17:43] <qman__> how much the users need to download
[17:44] <shally88> ok..
[17:44] <qman__> when that saturates the 384k, you can't serve any faster
[17:44] <Bilge> You two sure are having fun
[17:44] <qman__> if you have a lot of big images or flash objects, it won't work
[17:44] <shally88> ok.
[17:44] <qman__> but if it's mostly just text, you should be fine
[17:45] <shally88> yeah.
[17:46] <shally88> i guess home server is not ok with it... now the index file is 1180.6 KB
[17:46] <qman__> yeah, that's way too much for a 384k line
[17:46] <shally88> hi Bilge..I was asking few questions.. need pro to help me.
[17:46] <qman__> that would take...25 seconds for one user to download
[17:47] <shally88> :-/ I should then get a dedicated hosting itself..
[17:47] <shally88> and should serve more than 25sec when there is 20 user at a time..
[17:47] <qman__> you can get a VPS cheap
[17:47] <giovani> indeed -- VPSes can be had for dirt-cheap
[17:47] <shally88> can recommend me one?
[17:48]  * okaratas I'm away..
[17:48] <shally88> ok
[17:48] <shally88> I was using shared hosting, and there is a problem with the cache.
[17:48] <shally88> the server will load when i get sudden traffic.
[17:49] <giovani> I can't personally vouch for the company -- but VPSLink is quite large -- http://vpslink.com/ubuntu-vps/
[17:49] <shally88> it's a wordpress installation with wp-supercache
[17:49] <giovani> there are dozens of providers out there though -- google around, hit www.webhostingtalk.com -- there's a section for VPS deals
[17:50] <shally88> that is helpful giovani..
[17:51] <shally88> btw, thanks a lot qman__ and giovani.. I would get my router fixed, and gotta look for VPS too..
[17:51] <shally88> Thanks again qman__ for spending your time helping me..
[17:51] <qman__> not a problem, good luck
[17:52] <shally88> thanks..
[17:52] <shally88> bye
[19:43] <alex-weeej> i've found a bug in karmic kvm or something that causes an instance to just die when i do something specific
[19:43] <alex-weeej> i can ssh to it, i can request web pages from a basic vhost, but if i try and use my webapp it explodes
[19:43] <alex-weeej> anyone know how i can debug?
[19:43] <alex-weeej> jdstrand, could this have anything to do with the apparmor stuff we did yesterday?
[19:48] <domas> Hi! will next LTS have systemtap with uprobes?!!? :)
[20:03] <domas> hhhmmmm, where is kernel debug symbol package in jaunty
[20:30] <domas> heh, hardy has linux-image-debug in 'main'
[20:31] <domas> meh, there's oprofile, there's systemtap, and there's no linux-image-debug
[20:55] <giovani> domas: check ddebs
[20:56] <domas> giovani: they have just karmic builds
[20:56] <domas> giovani: now intrepid/jaunty ones
[20:56] <domas> *no
[20:56]  * domas eyes http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/l/linux/
[20:58] <giovani> ah, just build it yourself then?
[20:59] <domas> well, that means I will have to build myself all kernel packages
[20:59] <domas> an unwelcoming path that will get too much attention :)
[21:00] <domas> why would canonical package oprofile, systemtap and other stuff
[21:00] <domas> without adding debug symbols
[22:05] <Chr1831> what is a good smtp server for php?
[22:07] <qman__> supported mail servers for ubuntu include postfix and exim
[22:08] <Chr1831> qman__, does postfix require any setup for php to use sendmail?, also does postfix allow users to connect and send mail (i don't want that...)
[22:10] <qman__> Chr1831, it all depends on how you configure it
[22:18] <KurtKraut> Chr1831, I don't think you'll see a clear advantage in a option comparing to another. They're quite similar and equivalent
[23:58] <steady2023> can someone reccomend me raid card for 15 hard drives good price good performance and reliability