[00:12] jmarsden: unless ubuntu has changed recently -- sysfs.conf is used to change /sys values, while sysctl.conf is used to change /proc values -- this is a /sys value [00:14] giovani: OK, could be... sysctl.conf is the one that is always there on my systems, and which I have used, not sysfs.conf. When using sysfs.conf didn't seem to work for the OP, I thought maybe there was confusion over the filename. [00:14] nah, this is a /sys value, I'm 95% sure [00:41] .,.,.,.,. [03:17] New bug: #430189 in apache2 (main) "Apache Php Segfault crti.S" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430189 [04:33] is there a log file for transmission-daemon? [05:35] I'm trying to run gvim or redcar from my ubuntu server over ssh to edit some files using X11 Forwarding, but I get this error: Xlib: extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display "localhost:10.0". [05:39] tpeden: That should be harmless... see http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2008-October/039134.html [05:39] is anyone alive in here lol [05:39] oh snap! [05:40] It's slowing the app startup and the app itself WAY down [05:41] Odd, it's not supposed to matter. Maybe run a local editor and edit the files over sshfs? or use Emacs and use TRAMP to get at the files?? I don't know if vim has a remote file access setup like Emacs TRAMP... [05:41] I mean, the apps do start, just takes like a minute (no exaggeration either) and then they are very slow at responding (and the server is on gbit network, sitting next to my dt) [05:42] A friend of mine suggested using -YC [05:43] but it didn't seem to help, plus I don't know what -Y is on PuTTY (when I'm in Windows) [05:43] tpeden: what makes you think the slowness is related to the warning? [05:46] Well, I was doing this in 8.10 just fine, no errors and no slowness. I had to reinstall ubuntu (hardware upgrade) and I of course installed Jaunty and started getting this error and the slowness... tho I did study statistics so I am aware correlation does not prove causation... so they could very well be unrelated [05:49] tpeden: Your desktop is running Windows? With what X server? Can you upgrade that to a newer version, maybe?? [05:50] Xming? [05:51] If you pay, the Xming guy will give you access to a newer version that the one he makes available free of charge... no idea if that would help, but [05:51] it might be worth a try? [05:52] lol awesome! [07:33] does someone know how to set 3 of the 4 network interfaces to be "down" so my 'server' reboots without having to press ctrl+alt+del at the ubuntu boot up portion? [07:33] i think that's what i need to do [07:33] http://pastebin.com/m39bad4cc -- that is my /etc/network/interfaces [07:33] http://pastebin.com/m1a421cf9 -- and that's "sudo ifconfig -a" === vraa_ is now known as vraa [07:50] New bug: #433383 in samba (main) "package samba-common 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/433383 [09:15] morning all... [09:17] Have a question about what the fastest method would be to send lost of small files over a fast network between 2 servers. Basically getting one home directory and moving it over to another machine maintaining the permissions. [09:17] ^^lots of [09:17] Vog: Error: "^lots" is not a valid command. [09:17] I would tar | ssh othermachine untar [09:19] yeah I was thinking the same thing.... [09:19] somethign like tar -cf - /path/to/dir | ssh remote_server 'tar -xvf - -C /path/to/remotedir' [09:19] The quotes are optional, and -f - is totally unnecessary. [09:20] e.g. tar -C /etc -c ssh | ssh fs tar -C /etc -x [09:22] I'll give that a shot thx for the input... [09:22] FWIW I do that regularly and it works fine. [09:22] Though doing it over ssh is slow if you are on a trusted network [09:23] ssh fs -f 'nc -l 12345 | tar -C /etc -x' && tar -C /etc -c ssh | nc fs 12345 [09:23] ...something like that would do it unencrypted (untested). [09:24] ooo... good point\ [09:24] You will also probably want to run tar as root on both ends, because only root can do some chown-type operations. And if you are dealing with heterogeneous chroots, --numeric-owner is vital. [09:25] Finally, I can't vouch for whether it will preserve extended attributes or sockets. [09:25] I'll try this now and report the results so far it is progressing nicely. [09:26] Oh, and if this is a local network, you might be able to tune NFSv3 to be faster. [09:26] Out of the box, I think it'll be slower than tar + nc [10:32] Is there an alternative keyserver that i can use instead of keyserver.ubuntu.com. I've googled it without success? [10:33] Matty-uk: depends what keys you want. [10:33] I have "keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net" in my .gnupg/gpg.conf, but that's probably old-school. [10:33] I think MIT also has a reasonably centralized keyserver. [10:38] Cheers MIT one worked [10:47] What is the MIT one, btw? [10:54] pgp.mit.edu [10:55] twb: I htink I had something wrong with my syntax. Copy was successful but it left out files with long filenames. [10:56] Vog: hmm, are both hosts running Ubuntu? [10:56] Matty-uk: thanks. [10:56] Yep [10:56] Vog: dunno, then [10:56] Vog: are both filesystems ext3? [10:57] Let me check one of the systems has been thgough a dist upgrade [10:57] yeah both ext3 [10:58] Vog: did you capture stderr from both processes? Maybe they complained? [10:58] * Vog checking logs [12:34] apt-get install ubuntu-xen-server install everything i need for xen? [15:19] New bug: #371612 in php5 (main) "[needs-packaging] php5-litespeed" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371612 [15:23] besides df -h is there a way from command line to view disk usage [15:23] du [15:24] ok [15:29] df is quikc, du might take time and should be used with care on a busy fileserver [15:31] I have a problem then, I have 2 1TB drives, 1 part on each, sda1 = /media/MainStorage1 sdb1 = /media/ArchiveDisk1, when I do rsync with "rsync --progress -r --delete-before /media/MainStorage1/ /media/ArchiveDisk1" Archive disk shows 29GB more is used than MainStorage1 on completion. I have checked samba etc, and I only see the exact same files. [15:31] ionice du, perhaps [15:32] android60: what filesystem(s)? [15:32] RoyK: both are XFS [15:32] k [15:32] hm [15:33] try -avP [15:33] -a == archive [15:33] man rsync [15:33] I won't think it'll make much difference, though [15:34] * RoyK uses opensolaris/zfs for that sort of stuff - zfs send/receive is neat [15:35] so you think zfs better than xfs? [15:38] android60, I'd say ZFS is more feature rich than XFS [15:41] android60: way better [15:42] android60: but not gpl, so you need to use it with FUSE on linux [15:42] generally, it's better to use opensolaris [15:42] btrfs is an attempt to make a zfs-like FS on linux, but it's not stable yet, and probably won't be for some time [15:43] give btrfs 6-12 months and it might stabilise - zfs has been stable for some time [15:44] zfs is close to four years old (after initial stable release) [15:50] android60: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS <-- it's a wee bit more than XFS and the rest [15:50] ok ill check it out [16:02] ZFS++ [16:04] But while ZFS has some very cool technical features, the biggest plus it has is the extreme ease of administration. The tools are almost self-documenting in their simplicity. This is what I'm concerned about if btrfs will be able to replicate. When I've asked questions, I've been told that userfriendly tools aren't a focus. [16:05] Debolaz: let's hope they will mend their ways - adminfriendlyness is quite important [16:06] adminfriendliness, even [16:06] imho userfriendliness doesn't apply to filesystems [16:07] The admin is the user of the filesystem tools. [16:08] well, yes [16:09] but I like to differ between "userfriendly" and "adminfriendly" [16:39] help :S [16:39] http://pastebin.com/m2431e1af [16:39] i cant solve this (fresh install) [16:41] you probably have an apt-get update running by another process [16:42] hi, anyone can help me forwarding my server? [16:42] I have a dynamic address, and also ip80 [16:42] port 80 i mean [16:43] I follow the instruction from portforward.com [16:43] but still I could not access my server from external IP [16:43] anyone can help me? [16:44] yes that was coorect RoyK [16:44] thanks [16:45] shally87 that is a router issue [16:45] nat problem [16:45] reboot the router and try again [16:45] how could i fix that? [16:46] also inside network try on browser put the machine ip [16:46] I reboot it for more than 20 times since yesterday [16:46] when i put the machine IP it is functioning [16:46] but when I access the external ip, i could not access [16:46] it show me the log in to the router [16:47] then I change the router to use port 88 [16:47] and now I access my router through 192.168.1.1:88 [16:47] DCHP is set up for the machine.. [16:48] Forgot to mention, i was using vbox.. and every virtual machine got own IP address.. [16:48] shally87, many residential grade ISPs block port 80 on their end [16:49] qman_: I've called the ISP and they mention it was not blocked.. [16:49] does the ebox disturb this? [16:50] if it shows the log in to the router, the router is preventing it from working [16:50] yes [16:50] in the router, disable remote administration [16:50] and see if that fixes it [16:51] ok.. [16:51] oh, my router is DLINK-500T === bogeyd6 is now known as linuxgolfer === linuxgolfer is now known as bogeyd6 [16:52] remote web management was disable from thebeginning... [16:53] :( [16:53] but accessing your external IP still shows a router login? [16:53] do i need to enable ppoe pass through? [16:53] no [16:54] just port forwarding [16:54] no since I change the router administration to port 88 [16:54] if the router has an SPI firewall, that may be interfering [16:54] I've never luck with those on [16:54] but accessing the external IP will give me failed to connect [16:55] :-( [16:56] does ebox disturb the connection? [16:56] does the server have a firewall on? [16:56] on ebox do you mean? [16:56] sudo iptables -L [16:56] I don't know ebox === netadmin is now known as okaratas [16:57] web interfaces are overrated [16:57] Chain input, forward and output is accept [16:58] ok then, the server is not dropping the connection [16:58] it must be the router [16:58] should be.. [16:58] any fix for that? [16:58] My last resort is buying a new router [16:58] that's pretty much the fix, there's only one more thing for testing [16:59] if the router has a DMZ setting, point it at your server [16:59] this is not a secure setup and is only for testing, of course [16:59] if it still doesn't work, the router is just not going to do it [16:59] if i set up to DMZ, the other should I reset to original or I can keep the modified setting? [17:00] try it both ways [17:01] in modified setting, I already make it using DMZ but not functioning.. [17:01] what left is resetting it.. [17:02] brb [17:12] hi [17:12] qman__: it's not working [17:13] if even the DMZ setting isn't working, that narrows it down [17:13] we've established that the server is not blocking the connection, so that's not it [17:14] the only remaining things are, if you are using the wrong internal IP, which is unlikely with the amount of work you've been doing [17:14] if the ISP is actually blocking the port, even though they said they aren't [17:14] or if the router is malfunctioning and won't forward traffic [17:14] maybe the router [17:15] my internal Ip i set for the VM is what it was used in the router.. [17:15] those three are the only real possibilities left [17:15] then i forward it to the ip which i get. [17:15] but I have confusion over eth0 and eth1. [17:16] oh, wait [17:16] this is more likely a virtual networking problem [17:16] benc ? [17:16] can you get to the VM from a separate physical machine on the network? [17:16] it is fixed when i dont use virtual machine is it? [17:16] nick in this way should be BenC.. [17:16] and benc nick not registered.. [17:17] benc is not identified to services (nickserv) [17:17] wait.. [17:17] actually, this is really easy to diagnose [17:17] in the virtual machine [17:17] attempt to ping a site on the internet, like google.com [17:17] this nick registered BenC to debian developer Ben Collins.. [17:18] if it doesn't work, you have a virtual networking problem [17:18] I could [17:18] ok [17:19] what type of virtual networking are you using? NAT or bridging? [17:19] NAT could cause issues [17:19] i was wondering in the ifconfig, i was using eth0 in my virtual machine [17:19] bridging [17:19] but when i see the vbox, it was set to eth1 [17:20] your virtual machine will have network interfaces and so will the host [17:20] so, the naming could be confusing [17:20] just make sure that whatever interface the virtual machine is bridging to is connected to the network [17:20] if the virtual machine can get to the internet, it's probably set up correctly [17:21] it could [17:21] do you mean if i set the vm to eth1, in the ifconfig of the vm i should see eth1 too? [17:22] no [17:22] in the VM config, you are choosing the host's interface, not the guest's [17:22] the ifconfig in the VM shows the guest interfaces [17:23] ok [17:23] but, all that aside [17:24] if the VM can reach the internet, and you can reach the web site running on the VM from the LAN, the virtual networking is working correctly [17:24] ok [17:24] then should it be the modem itself? [17:24] or? [17:24] could be the router, or the ISP [17:25] the isp should be ok [17:25] yeah, so it's most likely the router itself [17:25] yes. [17:25] I did check the port 80 to my external ip from some website, and it says it is not blocked. [17:26] so this means the router is the problem. [17:26] actually [17:26] if you would /msg me your IP, do you mind if I test? [17:27] i get this from one website now since i change the router admin page to port 88 [17:27] Error: I could not see your service on 124.13.94.125 on port (80) [17:27] Reason: Connection timed out [17:28] sorry i went to paste my ip here.. [17:28] that's fine, some people are just paranoid about giving that information out [17:28] ok [17:28] okaratas: good to know [17:29] yeah, I'm not getting anything at all either [17:29] it's blocking pings too [17:29] benc, this nickname is owner Ben Collins.. [17:29] /ns info benc [17:30] that is when the DMZ is enable.. [17:30] so it is the router problem is it? [17:30] yes [17:30] with DMZ enabled, it should be answering pings [17:31] ok, but does it is affected by the page to the router admin page is change to port 88? [17:31] it doesn't seem to be making a difference [17:31] ok [17:31] since it is like that, what router should be best> [17:32] I like linksys units, the WRT54GL in particular [17:33] but that's a wireless one, it really depends on your needs [17:33] ok.. [17:33] I recommend getting a separate modem and router [17:33] the all in one units are prone to these kinds of problems [17:34] what you mean by separate modem and router? [17:34] getting a modem that is not a router, one that only acts as a gateway, and then a router which connects to it, to manage your DHCP and port forwarding, etc. [17:35] owh.. [17:35] i guess I have router with modem inside as the phone line directly connected to it.. [17:35] btw I still use switch to divide the other pc [17:35] that also increases the number of choices of router you can use [17:36] ok [17:36] here I usually found dlink and aztech.. [17:36] which one in your opinion is better? [17:37] I don't know aztech [17:37] but I would not recommend dlink [17:37] oh haha.. [17:37] I try to look for linksys [17:38] netgear has some good products too, just make sure you look up the model before you buy to see if it has issues [17:38] ok [17:39] before i try on my server.. do you think a 1mbps download with 384kbps upload is suitable for server? [17:39] web hosting which has around 300visitors daily [17:39] that depends entirely on what you intend to serve and how many people to serve to [17:39] small files, that should be no problem [17:40] keep your images under 500k, no file downloads, etc... [17:40] it is usually depending on the upload is it? [17:40] yes [17:41] okaratas: are you bored? [17:41] okaratas: leave me alone [17:41] if in case the upload is lower than 384 it will not be suitable for a web hosting is it? [17:42] 128kbps for example [17:42] probably not, it depends entirely on how much users need to download from you [17:42] if each web page is only 50k in total, it could work [17:42] if it's image heavy, then no [17:43] oh, haha. The wordpress installation itself is a heavy web app, then that would not work even in 384kbps [17:43] well, the server load is fine, it's the size of the final web pages being served [17:43] how much the users need to download [17:44] ok.. [17:44] when that saturates the 384k, you can't serve any faster [17:44] You two sure are having fun [17:44] if you have a lot of big images or flash objects, it won't work [17:44] ok. [17:44] but if it's mostly just text, you should be fine [17:45] yeah. [17:46] i guess home server is not ok with it... now the index file is 1180.6 KB [17:46] yeah, that's way too much for a 384k line [17:46] hi Bilge..I was asking few questions.. need pro to help me. [17:46] that would take...25 seconds for one user to download [17:47] :-/ I should then get a dedicated hosting itself.. [17:47] and should serve more than 25sec when there is 20 user at a time.. [17:47] you can get a VPS cheap [17:47] indeed -- VPSes can be had for dirt-cheap [17:47] can recommend me one? [17:48] * okaratas I'm away.. [17:48] ok [17:48] I was using shared hosting, and there is a problem with the cache. [17:48] the server will load when i get sudden traffic. [17:49] I can't personally vouch for the company -- but VPSLink is quite large -- http://vpslink.com/ubuntu-vps/ [17:49] it's a wordpress installation with wp-supercache [17:49] there are dozens of providers out there though -- google around, hit www.webhostingtalk.com -- there's a section for VPS deals [17:50] that is helpful giovani.. [17:51] btw, thanks a lot qman__ and giovani.. I would get my router fixed, and gotta look for VPS too.. [17:51] Thanks again qman__ for spending your time helping me.. [17:51] not a problem, good luck [17:52] thanks.. [17:52] bye [18:11] New bug: #433556 in dhcp3 (main) "ethernet network connection not automatically connecting" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/433556 === Claw_ is now known as Claw6 [19:21] New bug: #406122 in bind9 (main) "BIND Dynamic Update DoS" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/406122 === ball is now known as ball_ [19:41] New bug: #413587 in libcommons-fileupload-java (universe) "Update license to Apache-2.0" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/413587 [19:43] i've found a bug in karmic kvm or something that causes an instance to just die when i do something specific [19:43] i can ssh to it, i can request web pages from a basic vhost, but if i try and use my webapp it explodes [19:43] anyone know how i can debug? [19:43] jdstrand, could this have anything to do with the apparmor stuff we did yesterday? [19:48] Hi! will next LTS have systemtap with uprobes?!!? :) [20:03] hhhmmmm, where is kernel debug symbol package in jaunty [20:30] heh, hardy has linux-image-debug in 'main' [20:31] meh, there's oprofile, there's systemtap, and there's no linux-image-debug [20:55] domas: check ddebs [20:56] giovani: they have just karmic builds [20:56] giovani: now intrepid/jaunty ones [20:56] *no [20:56] * domas eyes http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/l/linux/ [20:58] ah, just build it yourself then? [20:59] well, that means I will have to build myself all kernel packages [20:59] an unwelcoming path that will get too much attention :) [21:00] why would canonical package oprofile, systemtap and other stuff [21:00] without adding debug symbols [21:22] New bug: #427856 in bacula (universe) "bacula install script did not complete job (dup-of: 384607)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/427856 [22:05] what is a good smtp server for php? [22:07] supported mail servers for ubuntu include postfix and exim [22:08] qman__, does postfix require any setup for php to use sendmail?, also does postfix allow users to connect and send mail (i don't want that...) === samferry is now known as Guest50151 [22:10] Chr1831, it all depends on how you configure it [22:18] Chr1831, I don't think you'll see a clear advantage in a option comparing to another. They're quite similar and equivalent === zoopster1 is now known as zoopster [23:58] can someone reccomend me raid card for 15 hard drives good price good performance and reliability