[00:47] <neversfelde> tomorrow is release of amarok 2.2 rc, was there any progress with taglib?
[00:48] <neversfelde> Riddelll: and if not, how can I help with that, I will return home tomorrow afternoon and will have some time
[00:49] <Mamarok> neversfelde: tomorrow is tagging, release is a bit later :)
[00:50] <neversfelde> ah yes, soory
[00:50] <neversfelde> s/soory/sorry
[00:50] <neversfelde> but that makes no difference :)
[00:52] <ScottK> Mamarok: Did the issue with the splash screen get solved?
[00:55] <Mamarok> ScottK: we are working on it
[00:55] <ScottK> Mamarok: OK.  Good to hear.
[00:57] <nixternal> ScottK: you run plasma-netbook from trunk at all?
[00:57] <nixternal> building trunk on a netbook != fun
[00:57] <nixternal> but now...i am setting up my desktop with i386, so I can build there and copy to the netbook
[00:57] <ScottK> nixternal: Not yet.
[00:58] <ScottK> nixternal: I'm trying to backport the needed bits from trunk to run plasma-netbook from trunk on 4.3.
[00:58] <ScottK> No luck so far.
[00:58] <nixternal> I am going to partition my drive for kubuntu-netbook, and then trunk-netbook
[00:58] <ScottK> OK.
[00:58] <ScottK> nixternal: What I did so far is in https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive/netbook/
[00:59] <ScottK> Note the big red X's all over the place.
[00:59] <nixternal> hehe
[01:01]  * ScottK didn't give up yet though
[02:22] <neversfelde> yay for Lucid Lynx
[02:23] <neversfelde> and LTS
[02:24] <jjesse> LTS for kubuntu?
[02:24] <jjesse> or just LTS for ubuntu?
[02:26] <ScottK> No idea.
[02:26] <ScottK> It'd still be nice to have an actual announcement to Ubuntu developers about it.
[02:26] <neversfelde> jjesse: there is a video in the fridge, but I cannot watch here, because of the connection
[02:27] <jjesse> i haven't watched it yet
[02:28] <jjesse> watching hte video right now
[02:37] <ScottK> Ah,  UDS in Dallas, TX.
[02:38] <neversfelde> thats really far away :)
[02:38] <ScottK> Not so bad for me.  Only one timezone west.
[02:40] <jjesse> oh cool i missed that part
[02:40] <jjesse> that's not bad at all
[02:40] <jjesse> hoping i can go, not a bad trip
[02:40] <jjesse> why dallas?
[02:40] <ScottK> Didn't say.
[02:40] <ScottK> Just said Dallas.
[02:41] <rgreening> ScottK: hey.. did they announce where UDS was to be held yet
[02:41] <jjesse> in the video?
[02:42] <jjesse> wonder what big company  is headquartered there
[02:42]  * nixternal hates dallas
[02:42]  * nixternal was hoping for Austin
[02:42] <nixternal> like it matters, I am not going anyways :p
[02:42] <neversfelde> ever wanted to visit the US, but I think I cannot make it next year
[02:43] <jjesse> its in november this year
[02:43] <nixternal> ya, I think they took enough heat in Mt. View last year about running it so late
[02:43]  * jjesse wasn't so impressed w/ mountain view
[02:43] <nixternal> I was impressed with the burritos :D
[02:43] <neversfelde> really? But not better
[02:44] <jjesse> i thought UDS boston was a better place
[02:44] <nixternal> I liked the location of Mt. View, though if we were closer to san fran that would have been cooler, but the food choices around the hotel were great
[02:44] <nixternal> I am not going to UDS until they hold it in Chicago
[02:44] <jjesse> they should that would be fun
[02:45] <jjesse> i would drive down :)
[02:45] <nixternal> I would walk down :)
[02:46] <neversfelde> I would take an airplane :)
[02:46] <rgreening> hm.. Dallas? I was hoping Las Vegas Nevada .. UFC 106 :P
[02:47] <nixternal> hehe
[02:47] <nixternal> Chicago....CUBS FTW!
[02:47] <nixternal> have an Ubuntu Rooftop party
[02:47]  * jjesse hates vegas
[02:47] <nixternal> ditto jjesse
[02:48] <nixternal> in chicago, we could go see the messiah's house :p
[02:48] <jjesse> lol
[02:48]  * jjesse heads out to take the trash out and walk the dog
[02:49]  * neversfelde waits for an UDS in Fürth/Bayern :D
[02:49] <nixternal> I love it, the house next door is being sold, and buyers have to be approved by the secret service....interesting how government is wasting money on doing checks for homeowners now
[02:49] <jjesse> ha
[02:51] <rgreening> Is Nokia big there.. I wonder if that's the venue...
[02:51] <rgreening> Nokia theatre?
[02:52] <rgreening> go Qt trolls
[02:53] <nixternal> rgreening: Dell
[02:53] <rgreening> hmm... could be
[02:53] <nixternal> oh, and Dallas has a really high crime rate now as well :p
[02:53] <rgreening> unveil some new Dell goodness
[02:53] <rgreening> ahha
[02:53] <nixternal> make sure you do not wonder off around there for sure
[02:55] <nixternal> I don't think Texas is the place to send a bunch of anti-gun toting geeks :D
[02:56] <nixternal> no, that is not his cell phone or PDA, that is his Colt 45
[02:57] <nixternal> though in Austin I saw a lady on a Harley with a shotgun rack
[05:25] <nixternal> it got muggy here....I am sweating my ass off compiling everything for kde-trunk
[05:52] <nixternal> why is mono a build-dep of python-kde4?
[08:19] <desaparecido> hi, i have a problem (it's the second time this time) with KMAIL and IMAPdisconnect, I losted all my email without notice, only ALL IS EMPTY..  i use Kubuntu Karmic with latest updates, somes ideas??? thanks
[08:47] <Mamarok> desaparecido: ask in #kubuntu, please
[08:48] <Mamarok> actually, #ubuntu+1 if you use Karmic
[08:48] <desaparecido> Mamarok: thanks, even if is KUBUNTU?
[08:49] <Mamarok> yes
[08:49] <Mamarok> support is there
[08:49] <desaparecido> Mamarok: thanks
[08:50] <Mamarok> desaparecido: you are welcome
[08:50] <Mamarok> desaparecido: also, using Alpha on a productive system is not a good idea
[08:51] <desaparecido> Mamarok: in know, i'm learn a lot but with the problems, is not problem for me, it's a gmail account, it's easy, but i want understand
[10:22] <Riddelll> !seen smarter
[10:22] <Riddelll> fooey
[10:35] <Nightrose> Riddelll: [11:35:06] <insanity> smarter was last seen 9 hours, 38 minutes and 41 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Remote closed the connection)
[10:45] <Riddelll> Nightrose: how did you do that?
[10:46] <Nightrose> Riddelll: ~seen smarter
[10:46] <Nightrose> in a channel where insanity is
[10:46] <Nightrose> or msg her
[11:25] <Riddelll> jefferai: why does taglib-extras exist at all now?
[11:26] <Riddelll> why not merge the other codecs in?
[11:26] <Riddelll> jefferai: also do you know about the rusxmms we have in our packages (from debian)?
[11:40] <jefferai> Riddelll: wheels won't merge codecs in that he can't write proper testcases for
[11:41] <jefferai> i.e. if a codec is reverse engineered but there is no official public spec...
[11:41] <jefferai> (rather, metadata format, not codec)
[11:41] <jefferai> what's rusxmms?
[11:50] <jefferai> Hm, looked at the project page
[11:55] <Riddelll> "This is the RusXMMS flavour of the TagLib Audio Meta-Data Library.  It is patched with RusXMMS patch and adds support for autodetection of cyrillic encodings under Russian/Ukrainian/Belarusian locales."
[11:57] <Riddelll> I don't know why that should need two different versions of the library though
[11:58]  * jefferai shrugs
[12:02] <Riddelll> taglib and taglib-extras put into my ~jr PPA, we can upload them alongside amarok rc when that comes out
[12:03] <Riddelll> jefferai: did you see the amarok build failure on ARM?
[12:03] <jefferai> nope
[12:07] <Riddelll> [15:48] <Riddelll> jefferai: arm doesn't like qMax https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/2:2.1.85-0ubuntu1/+build/1248883/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-armel.amarok_2:2.1.85-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:07] <Riddelll> [15:49] <Riddelll> NCommander: would you be able to tell jefferai the fix for that?
[12:07] <Riddelll> doesn't like qmax with doubles I think that should be
[12:09] <jefferai> yah, I see it
[12:15]  * jefferai loves git-stash
[12:15] <jefferai> Riddelll: committed
[14:19] <rgreening> csharp bindings?
[14:19] <rgreening> dunno maybe
[14:19] <rgreening> @ nixternal ^
[15:01] <ScottK> rgreening: Do we want a "Software Store" in Kubuntu?
[15:02] <rgreening> why do you ask
[15:03] <rgreening> I believe having a Add/Remove programs back again would be beneficial
[15:03] <ScottK> Well Software Store seems to be something else entirely (it does that, but that isn't it's focus).
[15:03] <rgreening> we could default to "off" for the commercial repo bits and have the user decicide if they want to add a check in the proprietary commercial tick box.
[15:04] <ScottK> Software Store seems to be about getting stuff from outside the distribution.
[15:04] <rgreening> totally configurably in the UI for the KDE version.
[15:04] <rgreening> not really... it's just a name...
[15:04] <rgreening> its a buzz word from apple "App Store"
[15:04] <ScottK> A pretty horrible one.
[15:05] <rgreening> well, we could link the text to be "Add/Remove Software" in the main menu favorites and have it as a KCM called Software Store in the system settings
[15:05] <ScottK> I think adopting this one is almost a great an idea as adopting the massive pop-up window for updates that ~everyone hated in the last cycle.
[15:06] <ScottK> We aren't in the business of selling software.  I say no software store.
[15:06] <Tonio_> rgreening: ever seen a problem with arora ?
[15:06] <Tonio_> rgreening: it sometimes acts as if offline when other browsers have no issue displaying webpages...
[15:07] <rgreening> well, this is for council to decide based on the spec I guess ScottK. And by disabling the commercial repo by default does not go against philosophy (IMO).
[15:08] <ScottK> rgreening: It is for the council to decide.  I think anything called a software store is a really bad idea.
[15:08] <rgreening> and writing it does not mean it has to be on the CD/DVD by default if we decide not to... I guess...
[15:09] <rgreening> ScottK: Maybe call it App Center :)
[15:09] <rgreening> less commercial sounding?
[15:10] <ScottK> Add/Remove Software seems fine to me.
[15:10] <ScottK> Although I recall, back when I started using Kubuntu, never understanding why I hadd Add/Remove and Adept.
[15:11] <rgreening> ScottK: seele can help with the linguistics and textual, etc...
[15:11] <ScottK> What would a revitalized Add/Remove give us that Kpackagekit (if it works) doesn't already?
[15:11] <ScottK> I guess I don't see what we miss by only having one tool?
[15:12] <rgreening> Kpackagekit does not deal with a unified package name, but rather individual debs.. like libraries, etc...
[15:13] <ScottK> I don't understand what that means.
[15:13] <ScottK> What is a "Unified package name"?
[15:13] <rgreening> users shouldn't need to know that installing Kmail requires X packages. That should be hidden (IMO). I wrote a packagekit spec for this implementation, but it hasn't been completely done.
[15:13] <yuriy> an application vs. a package
[15:13] <rgreening> yeah.. what yuriy said
[15:13] <rgreening> :)
[15:13] <ScottK> So if you install kmail via kpackagekit it doesn't pull in the depends?
[15:14] <rgreening> yes, but the user may not realize that kmail is the package and not libkmail or whatever...
[15:14] <Tonio_> ScottK: it'll pull the deps and warn the user of the associated deps to be installed
[15:14] <Tonio_> not that bad
[15:14] <Tonio_> although I'd eventually patch to get rid of the deps....
[15:14] <rgreening> not having a app view is bad for newbies :)
[15:15] <ScottK> rgreening: It sounds to me like improving the tool we have is a better idea than inventing another on that duplicates it in many respects.
[15:16] <yuriy> well you can show "applications" by default and have an advanced view for the traditional package manager, but if the UI is significantly different, it doesn't necessarily make sense to stuff it in the same application
[15:16] <Tonio_> rgreening: true that
[15:17] <Tonio_> rgreening: type in firefox and expecting a user to be able to install it is.... dremaing :)
[15:17] <Tonio_> dreaming
[15:17] <yuriy> OTOH, if we come up with a more friendly UI for add/remove, then maybe we can just apply that to traditional package management as well
[15:17] <ScottK> yuriy: But if it's two apps, how does anyone know what they should use?
[15:18] <yuriy> the one that they see. i don't remember what we had, but on Ubuntu, add/remove is right there in the main applications menu, while synaptic is somewhere in system administration
[15:19] <Tonio_> rgreening: ping ?
[15:19] <rgreening> Tonio_: hey
[15:20] <Tonio_> rgreening: just a test to see if I lag since nobody seemed to react to me :)
[15:20] <Tonio_> hehe
[15:20] <rgreening> np
[15:20] <Tonio_> rgreening: I noticed a couple of issues in arora, really
[15:20] <Tonio_> it sometimes simply fail to load the page, as if it was offline status... that never happend with the old version
[15:20] <Tonio_> rgreening: just wanted to know if you had the trouble so that I can report a bug
[15:21] <rgreening> ok, shoot
[15:21] <Tonio_> rgreening: ok
[15:21] <Tonio_> also about the app store, I'm all for it, but as it has commercial perspectives I think we should expect from canonical to help on the coding side...
[15:21] <Riddelll> neversfelde: new taglib is in my PPA incase you missed that
[15:21] <ScottK> yuriy: I recall on Dapper seeing both Add/Remove and Adept and not understanding why I had both or what the difference was.
[15:22] <Tonio_> we're not there to do the commercial part of ubuntu I think (as for ubuntuone for example)
[15:22] <Tonio_> rgreening: whatever it is (kpackaging modifications vs new clientà
[15:22] <Tonio_> s/à/)/
[15:23] <Riddelll> JontheEchidna: new konversation uploaded
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> Riddelll: thanks, those patches were being a pain in the rear
[15:46] <Riddelll> JontheEchidna: the indicator ones?
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> Riddelll: yeah, they didn't apply without modification
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> mostly from upstream source changes, but I see that they needed updating anyways
[15:47] <Riddelll> JontheEchidna: I found them pretty trivial to fix, just whitespace and surrounding code changes so I just did them myself, but it's agateau's responsibility to keep them up to date so feel free to disable them and ping him rather than block on them
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> oh, I fixed all the whitespace issues. (I was actually pbuilding the package)
[15:47] <Riddelll> oh fooey
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> It's not a big deal though :)
[16:03]  * JontheEchidna wonders where 1.2 beta1 is.. it's not showing up in LP yet
[16:13] <rgreening> agateau: any reason kopete does not show up in indicator anymore?
[16:13] <rgreening> I have the latest indicator
[16:13] <rgreening> and plugin is enabled in kopete
[16:13] <agateau> rgreening: maybe Riddell has not updated Kopete plugin to latest libindicate-qt?
[16:14] <agateau> (or maybe it's a bug)
[16:14] <rgreening> possibly.. dunno.
[16:14] <rgreening> Kmail works
[16:14]  * rgreening likes the "greyed" out effect
[16:15] <Riddelll> I updated kopete this morning
[16:15] <Riddelll> it may not be in the archives yet
[16:15] <Riddelll> man, karmic really is much better than jaunty
[16:16] <rgreening> heh
[16:22] <rgreening> kopete update available now...
[16:22] <rgreening> yay
[16:30] <rgreening> agateau: have you figured out how to make the indicator raise the window if iconified in system tray?
[16:31] <agateau> rgreening: I think so, is it still broken for you?
[16:32] <rgreening> agateau: yeah. I have icon in the tray for kopete and kontact (kmail + Akregator)... clicking in idicator doesn't raise it... do I need to disable the systray Icon?
[16:32] <agateau> rgreening: no
[16:32] <agateau> systray should not interfer with the indicator
[16:32] <agateau> I still need to fix that then
[16:33] <rgreening> kopete works. I just reloead the new one.. kmail does not...
[16:33] <rgreening> agateau: ^
[16:33] <agateau> oh ok
[16:33] <agateau> then it has something to do with the systray :)
[16:33] <agateau> I did not test with kmail systray
[16:34] <agateau> I guess when KMail is in the systray its mainwindow has been hide()n away
[16:34] <agateau> so i need to show() it
[16:34] <rgreening> kmail as standalone should be tested as well as kontact integration.
[16:34] <agateau> will fix
[16:34] <rgreening> cool
[16:34] <rgreening> awesome.
[16:34] <agateau> rgreening: it's more an issue of whether there is a visible window or not
[16:35] <rgreening> agateau: also, can clicking the icon in indicator re-hide if already raise to top (just curious).. similar to way it works in systray?
[16:35] <agateau> rgreening: can do
[16:35] <rgreening> cool
[16:36] <agateau> rgreening: iirc pidgin behave this way, so it will be more consistent
[16:36] <rgreening> then I can autohide my kopete and kamil in systray and just use the indicator :)
[16:36] <rgreening> cool
[16:37] <rgreening> agateau: indicator applet doesn't seem to resize... I have a scrollbar and a resize in top right, but it wont allow resize (just the arrow showing I can)
[16:38] <agateau> rgreening: you mean, the popup menu or the applet itself?
[16:38] <rgreening> agateau: the popup shows kopete and kmail and theres a scroll bar... and I can scroll but I'd like ot resize. the resize arrow is there on top right, but it wont drag to resize.
[16:39] <agateau> ok, the bug is that you should not have to resize: it should open using a decent size
[16:39] <rgreening> agateau: oh, and kmail run by itself works with autoraise. it's the kontact integration that doesn't. so you need a check for kontact+kmail.
[16:40] <agateau> does it go away if you close and open again?
[16:40] <rgreening> agateau: nope.. I get a scroll bar... and not a very decent size imo...
[16:40] <agateau> so many bugs :/
[16:40] <rgreening> lol.
[16:40] <rgreening> but it's getting very good!!!
[16:40] <rgreening> agateau: Im starting to really like it
[16:41] <agateau> hehe :)
[16:41] <rgreening> agateau: ok, now kmail wont raise.. it did it once, but fails on second attempt :)
[16:41] <rgreening> hahah
[16:42] <agateau> from systray you mean
[16:42] <rgreening> hmm... ok, maybe it didn't work from systray at all... I just restarted it and minimized to try.. wont unminimize with indicator... so seems like a bug
[16:57] <ScottK> Riddelll: Reading the grumbling on the mailing list, I do think it'd be nice if you could arrange for some announcement about Kubuntu being intended for LTS in 10.04.  Considering there isn't a u-d-a announcement about this at all yet, maybe the one that (I hope) is being prepared could mention Kubuntu.
[17:00] <nixternal> are we even certain that Kubuntu 10.04 will be LTS?
[17:00] <nixternal> it is after all up to Canonical and the Tech Board..don't know if that decision has been made yet
[17:01]  * smarter wonders how we're gonna manage 6.06->10.04 transitions
[17:04] <Riddelll> ScottK: why would there be a u-d-s announcement?
[17:04] <Riddelll> nixternal: yes it'll be LTS
[17:04] <Riddelll> smarter: lots of testing
[17:05] <Riddelll> I just tested jaunty to karmic and it mostly works but with some fairly obvious problems
[17:06] <smarter> Riddelll: I think we could use some automatic testing/QA tools (can't we setup some batch script to regularly install version X, upgrade to X+1 and report problems?)
[17:07] <Riddelll> smarter: how would it know what to report
[17:07] <smarter> well, what apt/update-manager spits out would be a good start
[17:08] <Riddelll> that sort of thing is already tested both manually and automatically I think
[17:08] <smarter> really?
[17:08] <ScottK> Riddelll: I'd have imagined there would be some formal announcement of the plans for the new release.
[17:08] <Riddelll> but stuff like "network manager doesn't connect after upgrade" or "plasma theme has only half changed" needs to be done manually
[17:09] <smarter> yep
[17:09] <Riddelll> ScottK: sabdfl usually does one right enough, we can ask him
[17:10] <smarter> but we could have a test suite that launch every important program, see if it doesn't crash, and try all our config tool(preferably in a language != english)
[17:10] <smarter> of course that's probably easier to say than to do :P
[17:11] <Riddelll> smarter: dholbach was after you earlier, you havn't replied to an e-mail from him
[17:11] <smarter> hooh, that's totally right, my apologies
[17:11]  * smarter is lost in an ocean of mails
[17:18]  * nixternal wants to choke kdebindings-trunk
[17:30] <rgreening> didnt cr3 have some test suite that ran...
[17:30] <rgreening> smarter, Riddelll ^
[17:31] <smarter> cr3?
[17:31] <rgreening> I though that was the nic.. cr3
[17:31] <rgreening> I remember we had a conversation at UDS
[17:32] <rgreening> Marc Tardif (cr3)....
[17:32] <rgreening> he is part of the team that does QA
[17:32] <rgreening> iirc
[17:32] <rgreening> and he said there were automated scripts for packages that run... so I expect we could talk with him regarding this.
[17:33] <rgreening> some automated report he said he would be able to provide us (which was forgotten until now.. oops) :P
[17:33] <rgreening> smarter: feel free to ping him
[17:33] <worklez> hi. just installed from current dvd. selecting autologin brought me directly to black screen with error message about missing xterm. workaround: manually set session to kde. is this a bug?
[17:34] <smarter> rgreening: that'd be great
[17:35] <rgreening> worklez: seems like failsafe was started and not kde session... strange
[17:36] <Riddelll> worklez: depends on what was in your ~/.dmrc
[17:37] <worklez> Riddelll: I guess there was no (or default one). $HOME copied from another distro
[17:38] <Riddelll> we'd need to know what that was set to before we can work out what it should have done
[17:48] <worklez> it looks like the default session is set to xterm and there is no gui to change it because of autologin. is not it? I just cannot access that pc right now to check
[17:49] <Riddelll> but why would it be set to xterm/fallback?
[17:53] <worklez> I don't know, didn't set it
[17:53] <worklez> :)
[17:55] <worklez> ok, I will look for .dmrc and then get back. thanks
[20:15] <rgreening> we need to develop an app KDeoderant for upcoming Lucid Lynx :)
[20:15] <nixternal> hah
[20:16] <rgreening> :)
[20:17] <rgreening> Make it a game, going around Dallas and smearing pit stick all over the Dallas-ites for points while avoiding being shot
[20:19] <skreech> I don't get the Kdeoderant reference ?
[20:20] <rgreening> skreech: you need to listen to sabdfl's pod cast from atlantia
[20:20] <rgreening> :)
[20:20] <rgreening> Lynx == brand of deoderant apparantly
[20:23] <skreech> WHere is it?
[20:24] <skreech> rgreening: Why wouldn't we call it sKent ?
[20:24] <rgreening> lol.. I like it
[20:24] <jussi01> lynx == axe
[20:25] <skreech> ah
[20:25] <rgreening> ah... never knew that jussi01
[20:25] <rgreening> haha
[20:25] <skreech> probably musK then
[20:25] <maco> im watching this convo scroll by the quassel chat monitor and wondeing about the extreme levels of silly in here
[20:25] <skreech> maco: We are KooKoo :)
[20:25] <rgreening> for KoKoPffts
[20:26]  * maco snorts
[20:26] <rgreening> been a loong day
[20:26]  * rgreening pictures maco snorting.. and falls of his chair
[20:26] <maco> youve probably seen me snort
[20:26] <rgreening> yup
[20:26] <rgreening> maco: going to UDS?
[20:27] <maco> er...the outward sort of snort. like a nose-laugh. not a inward snort
[20:27] <maco> no
[20:27] <maco> im in school throughout november :P
[20:27]  * rgreening is hopefully
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> Is the message indicator supposed to change icon when KMail gets a new mail?
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> Gotta go. My dad's birthday dinner is tonight.
[22:32] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: tell dad happy birthday!
[22:55] <ryanakca> nixternal: How's the help.k.o coming? Also, mind using your mad web-desing skills to help make a feature tour?
[22:55] <nixternal> ryanakca: like the ubuntu one?
[22:56]  * ryanakca nods
[22:56] <nixternal> h.k.o is on the burner for karmic until we get the docs fixed, though I don't see that much work involved once I figure out how it goes
[22:56] <nixternal> ryanakca: heh, lucky for you, I think I already have one somewhere :)
[22:56] <nixternal> yes, I can do a feature tour
[22:56] <ryanakca> nixternal: Awesome, thanks :)
[22:56] <nixternal> fyi, I am a web-design tard...I suck so bad at designing
[22:57] <nixternal> my artistic talent can be stored on the head of a pin
[22:57] <ryanakca> same here, give me a design and I can implement it... but don't ask me to do the design part :)
[22:58] <nixternal> where do you want me to do this designing at?
[22:59] <ryanakca> Anyways, supper's ready, I'll be back in a few hours, assuming I get through my pile of homework.. Cheers :)
[22:59] <nixternal> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/904features/  <- you want it to look just like this page I take it?
[22:59] <ryanakca> nixternal: Where ever you want... I am told that Ubuntu's is just a set of HTML files
[22:59] <skreech> Is the podcast of the Lynx announcement up anywhere?
[22:59] <nixternal> skreech: read the Weekly Newsletter
[22:59] <ryanakca> nixternal: Somewhat, one of the complaints the Ubuntu people have gotten about it is that there's too much text.
[23:00] <nixternal> I think it was in there
[23:00] <skreech> Why do people rely on flash so much >_<
[23:00] <nixternal> ya, it can be prettier
[23:00] <nixternal> http://kubuntu.nixternal.com/  <- I will put it up there when I have it so we can see what it will look like
[23:01] <ryanakca> nixternal: Great, thanks. Supper time :)
[23:01] <skreech> Hey sabdfl get back here!
[23:59] <ryanakca> Tonio_: How's Canada?