[00:07] <ev0sx1> hey there!!
[00:07] <ev0sx1> how's home?
[00:07] <ev0sx1> *who's home?
[00:07] <BUGabundo> noc noc
[00:07] <ev0sx1> :o
[00:07] <ev0sx1> bug?
[00:07] <ev0sx1> :o
[00:08] <ev0sx1> tu não usas kubuntu
[00:08] <ev0sx1> ou usas?
[00:08] <ev0sx1> lol
[00:08] <ev0sx1> BUGabundo: do i know you?
[00:09] <BUGabundo> no idea where you know me :)
[00:09] <ev0sx1> you from Portugal?
[00:09] <BUGabundo> e n, uso ubuntu e algumas apps de KDE
[00:09] <BUGabundo> como kmail
[00:09] <ev0sx1> hahahaha
[00:09] <BUGabundo> and yes, I'm from Portugal
[00:09] <ev0sx1> então como é que aqui vieste parar?
[00:09] <BUGabundo> join us at #ubuntu-pt
[00:09] <ev0sx1> :|
[00:09] <ev0sx1> não sabes quem sou?
[00:10] <BUGabundo> nops
[00:10] <BUGabundo> please talk in english in here
[00:10] <Ev0luti0n_> xD
[00:10] <BUGabundo> still clear :|
[00:10] <Ev0luti0n_> até colas-te agora
[00:10] <Ev0luti0n_> hahaha
[00:13] <Ev0luti0n_> Anybody here experiencing issues on mounting internal drives with dolphin?
[00:14] <BUGabundo> I've read about it
[00:14] <BUGabundo> a few weeks back
[00:15] <Cynthia> Ev0luti0n_: what type of drive?
[00:15] <Cynthia> I ask because of bug 431055, recently fixed
[00:16] <Cynthia> this title is misleading, because it's actually a bug in udev, which is used by all *buntus
[00:16] <Ev0luti0n_> erm
[00:17] <Ev0luti0n_> i can't access the other windows partitions on the same drive, which i first need to mount on dolphin
[00:17] <Ev0luti0n_> to access the contents!
[00:17] <Cynthia> What file system do those partitions use?
[00:17] <Ev0luti0n_> ntfs
[00:18] <Ev0luti0n_> has to do with hal.device.invalidmountpoint
[00:19] <Ev0luti0n_> i can provide screenshot if needed! I am going to read the launchpad site
[00:19] <BUGabundo> as I told you fsck the drives
[00:19] <BUGabundo> prob bad mount points
[00:21] <Cynthia> I can't see an existing bug related to NTFS mount problems or hal.device.InvalidMountPoint
[00:21] <Ev0luti0n_> going to take screenshot
[00:26] <goat-eee> hi, can someone who starts an installation of karmic confirm a bug I found here:https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/433714
[00:27] <Ev0luti0n_> Cynthia:
[00:27] <Ev0luti0n_> http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1146/snapshot1ue.png
[00:28] <Ev0luti0n_> Cynthia: any thoughts on this?
[00:30] <BUGabundo> goat-eee: you need empaty plugins for that
[00:31] <Cynthia> Ev0luti0n_: I have no idea. Can't find anything on Launchpad about that either, so you may want to file this as a bug on Launchpad
[00:31] <goat-eee> BUGabundo: why? the choice is available after exiting the wizard and going into Account
[00:31] <BUGabundo> is it?
[00:31] <goat-eee> BUGabundo: yes
[00:31] <BUGabundo> that's stupid  :(
[00:31] <goat-eee> hence, a bug :P
[00:32] <goat-eee> and, imho, kind of an important one
[00:32] <Cynthia> goat-eee: I haven't set up Empathy on my install yet, I'll try to confirm your bug
[00:32] <goat-eee> although, since there is a work around, i guess its not that bad
[00:32] <goat-eee> Cynthia: thanks!!
[00:35] <Cynthia> goat-eee: confirmed, got screenshots. trimming them and using OptiPNG before posting them
[00:35] <goat-eee> Cynthia: nice, i didn
[00:35] <goat-eee> t know how to get the SS when the list was shown
[00:35] <Cynthia> goat-eee: the "People Nearby" option is also missing from the Welcome Screen
[00:36] <Cynthia> and I got the menu by cheating a little with the screenshot tool: I started it manually from Applications/Accessories and set the delay to 3 seconds
[00:36] <Cynthia> start, switch to Empathy, click menu, wait
[00:36] <goat-eee> Cynthia: ahh, nice
[00:39] <goat-eee> on a alpha 5 install, one of the package upgrades caused the system not to boot to gdm anymore,  there is a quick message about bad symlink, and then before login there is an acpi error that the system bus could not be loaded, anyone come across this?
[00:40] <penguin42> goat-eee: There have been a bunch of people with different errors - can you pastebin a dmesg somewhere?
[00:40] <goat-eee> yes, one moment
[00:42] <goat-eee> penguin42: would messages be useful?
[00:42] <goat-eee> since i'm in a live env, dmesg isn't avail
[00:42] <goat-eee> and when i boot, no interfaces work
[00:42] <penguin42> goat-eee: Oh right, erm maybe,  what graphics hardware do you have?
[00:43] <goat-eee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/274958/
[00:43] <goat-eee> intel
[00:44] <goat-eee> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[00:44] <goat-eee> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[00:45] <penguin42> goat-eee: You have a bunch of nasties in there
[00:45] <goat-eee> penguin42: i think it goes beyond just gdm loading,  as my encrypted home partition doesnt load
[00:45] <goat-eee> penguin42: there is an open bug report about the giwscan log spam
[00:45] <penguin42> the heat one can't help
[00:46] <goat-eee> penguin42: which is not correct... as the laptop  is not hot :P
[00:46] <goat-eee> i'm going to try removing the eee acpi-tools i installed... that might help
[00:47] <penguin42> what about the RTMPCancelTimer?
[00:47] <goat-eee> that is new to me
[00:47] <penguin42> it doesn't look particularly healthy
[00:48] <goat-eee> penguin bug 376577
[00:49] <penguin42> so you say it didn't start X?
[00:49] <musikgoat> ok, i'm rebooting the eee and removing eeepc-acpi package
[00:49] <musikgoat> penguin42: yes
[00:50] <mrmcq2u_> ooohhh..... 10.04's release name will be lucid lynx
[00:50] <mrmcq2u_> cool animal :D
[00:54] <Cynthia> mrmcq2u_: aye, very cool. I was thinking it could be lemur or something, but lynx is good too
[00:55] <penguin42> musikgoat: I'd see what happens if you do a startx
[00:55] <mrmcq2u_> http://www.freespiritart.com/images/dozing-lynx.jpg
[00:55] <mrmcq2u_> an example of what a lynx is
[00:55] <penguin42> surely that would be a lazy lynx
[00:56] <musikgoat> penguin42: trying now
[00:56] <musikgoat> it seems to be just hanging
[00:56] <musikgoat> xauth: timeout in lcoking authority file /home/tim/.Xauthority
[00:57] <musikgoat> when i ctrl+c that, it started to load
[00:57] <penguin42> odd one
[00:57] <musikgoat> penguin42: it may be due to the fact that my encrypted home partition isn't mounting
[00:57] <musikgoat> :)
[00:57] <penguin42> ah
[00:58] <musikgoat> that was a stupid choice to do during alpha testing
[00:58] <mrmcq2u_> well I think it will be known as lynx not lucid but its still too early to tell
[00:58] <mrmcq2u_> or nicknamed I should say
[00:59] <penguin42> That would be too confusing with the web browser
[01:01] <musikgoat> ??  somebody wants to send you the file startkeylogger?
[01:02] <musikgoat> hmm, maybe reporting to #freenod
[01:05] <blackest_knight> somebody is a stupid nick very confusing
[01:05] <Cynthia> * somebody :No such nick/channel
[01:06] <Cynthia> hmm
[01:09] <andresmh> where can I edit the timeout period of the grub menu?
[01:09] <andresmh> /boot/grub/menu.lst does not exist
[01:09] <musikgoat> Cynthia: #freenode is aware of it
[01:10] <Cynthia> musikgoat: good
[01:11] <Cynthia> andresmh: Grub 2's configuration is in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[01:11] <andresmh> awesome thanks
[01:12] <andresmh> also, i've noticed that karmic takesa while to shutdown, i forget exactly the message but at the end it shows something like "stopping process" and it keeps trying multiple times
[01:13] <Cynthia> init: rc main process stopped by STOP signal / init: rc main process continued by CONT signal?
[01:13] <Cynthia> and log-outs from GDM take exactly 10 seconds
[01:13] <andresmh> Cynthia, yeah!
[01:14] <andresmh> and then [213.451312] Restarting system
[01:14] <musikgoat> hmm, this sucks, i cannot even mount a usb device
[01:14] <andresmh> what is that about Cynthia ?
[01:14] <musikgoat> dmesg | tail shows the usb detected... "configuration #1 chosen from one choice"
[01:14] <Cynthia> andresmh: No idea
[01:14] <andresmh> at least you've noticed too :)
[01:14] <musikgoat> but no reference to the device node
[01:15] <Cynthia> The grub.cfg file says that it takes its text from the various /etc/grub.d files, so update those files too if you edit the timeout etc.
[01:15] <Cynthia> or edit those /etc/grub.d files and run update-grub
[01:16] <andresmh> umm seems more complicated than it used to :-/
[01:16] <Amaranth> andresmh: Are you trying to get the grub menu to come up?
[01:16] <musikgoat> i think your supposed to edit /etc/default/grub, aren't you?
[01:16] <Amaranth> andresmh: If that is the case you just have to hold shift on boot
[01:16] <andresmh> Amaranth, i do want the grub menu to show up but not very often
[01:16] <andresmh> oh by default the menu is showing up
[01:17] <andresmh> is it not supposed to Amaranth ?
[01:17] <Amaranth> it isn't supposed to if you only have ubuntu
[01:17] <andresmh> i have windowze too :-/
[01:18] <andresmh> but i almost never use it, so i would be fine skipping the menu most of the time
[01:18] <musikgoat> any suggestions on how to force a detection of a usb thumb drive
[01:18] <musikgoat> or force the device to be linked
[01:18] <andresmh> I am not understanding /etc/grub.d files to figure out how to hide it/reduce the time out
[01:18] <musikgoat> andresmh: edit /etc/default/grub on the line GRUB_TIMEOUT="10"
[01:19] <musikgoat> then run sudo update-grub
[01:19] <andresmh> thanks musikgoat !
[01:19] <musikgoat> andresmh: yw
[01:19] <Amaranth> andresmh: in that case you should be able to set GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT to 0
[01:19] <andresmh> if i wanted to hide the grub menu and only show it with shift pressed as Amaranth mentioned, what would i want to chnange?
[01:19] <Amaranth> andresmh: then it'll only show up when you hold shift
[01:20] <andresmh> aha
[01:20] <andresmh> alright! i am going to try it out
[01:20] <andresmh> brb
[01:20] <andresmh> :)
[01:22] <darkham> hi, where's the page of mockups?
[01:24] <gord> are there problems with the intel driver at the moment? can't seem to load the i810 module here
[01:27] <[31d1]> dang it the ancient thinkfinger bug just came back
[01:27] <andresmh> Amaranth, musikgoat, i set  GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT to 0 but it still showed the grub menu
[01:28] <andresmh> i did run update-grub afterwards
[01:28] <Amaranth> andresmh: hmm, I guess that only works when it only finds one OS
[01:28] <andresmh> i see
[01:29] <andresmh> i'll set GRUB_TIMEOUT="1"
[01:30] <musikgoat> yey for persistent live usb!!
[01:30] <musikgoat> I have installed the fixed cryptsetup, and am rebooting
[01:31] <andresmh> I keep getting Network Manager crashes, when I try to report them I get "The program crashed on an assertion failure, but the message could not be retrieved. Apport does not support reporting these crashes"
[01:40] <SEJeff> Has anyone seen karmic hard lock with only '^@^@^@^@^' aka binary goo in /var/log/messages when it happens? I'm not sure if this needs to be reported or how to troubleshoot it.
[01:40] <SEJeff> The only outliers are an ATI video card using fglrx and a resiserfs /home
[01:41] <SEJeff> But on leaving this pc @ the gdm login prompt or using it normally, it completely deadlocks fairly frequently
[02:04] <musikgoat> hmm, still get wierd "error locking counter" error, any suggestions for debugging "ecryptfs-mount-private"
[02:40] <DanaG> hmm, pulseaudio still misdetects my usb surround sound card.
[03:07] <musikgoat> does anyone know, if I reinstall karmic, alpha 6, with the same username and not formatting /home partition, would it recover the encrypted fs?
[03:08] <musikgoat> i chose to login and unencrypt
[03:08] <musikgoat> the first install
[03:08] <musikgoat> so /home/.ecryptfs has my username/.Private and username/.ecryptfs
[03:19] <genii-around> zruty: <cough-cough> see !piracy
[03:19] <genii-around> Wrong channel :)
[03:24] <musikgoat> anyone know what package the installer is in?
[03:24] <Cynthia> musikgoat: ubiquity
[03:25] <musikgoat> Cynthia: thanks, the installer for karmic refers to pidgin, which isn't installed anymore by default lol
[03:26] <musikgoat> (the waiting slides)
[03:26] <Cynthia> musikgoat: that still isn't fixed in alpha6's installer? (I saw it in a5)
[03:26] <musikgoat> nope
[03:26] <Cynthia> well damn; are you filing a bug about this?
[03:26] <Cynthia> if you aren't, I will :)
[03:26] <musikgoat> oh yea
[03:27] <musikgoat> suprisingly, there isn't an existing one that i can find
[03:27] <musikgoat> i'm filing bugs left and right
[03:27] <Cynthia> er
[03:27] <Cynthia> the slideshow itself
[03:27] <musikgoat> yes
[03:27] <Cynthia> The slideshow itself is in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[03:28] <musikgoat> oh, awesome thanks
[03:29] <musikgoat> 423640
[03:29] <musikgoat> bug 423640
[03:30] <musikgoat>            Fix is committed by Evan Dandrea in lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu revision 134 :)
[03:30] <Cynthia> oh, nice
[03:30] <musikgoat> i guess it'll be in the beta
[03:44] <jdo> Hmm...I would think there would be a warning about how broken the latest upgrade is
[03:45] <musikgoat> jdo: you mean besides the warning when installing and in the channel message? :)
[03:46] <musikgoat> jdo: i just installed alpha6 and am doing an upgrade, any packages i should avoid?
[03:53] <Cynthia> jdo: You mean there was another update in the last 3 hours?
[03:57] <myk_robinson> evening, all
[03:58] <myk_robinson> Any comments on Empathy versus Pidgin? Just trying out 9.10 alpha 6 live disk
[03:59] <jdsbluedev> hi, I'm trying out Alpha 6, and I have some questions.  First, is anyone else having stability issues with the newest kernel (2.6.31)?  Whenever I boot with it, my screen starts flickering like crazy and the system doesn't go into the login screen
[03:59] <jdsbluedev> reverting to the latest Jaunty kernel fixed the issue
[04:01] <musikgoat> myk_robinson: I'm ok with it so far, but I'm still getting used to it... i haven't looked into all the plugins yet
[04:01] <jdsbluedev> also, using VLC has been a pain.  I can't get the controller on the screen (only video)
[04:02] <musikgoat> jdsbluedev: turn off compiz
[04:02] <jdsbluedev> musikgoat: compiz is causing the kernel problem?
[04:02] <musikgoat> jdsbluedev: no, its cauing your remote desktop problem
[04:03] <BluesKaj> compiz is iffy on karmic , I had more plasma crashes with it enabled than without
[04:03] <jdsbluedev> well, turning off compiz doesn't fix the VLC issue
[04:03] <Dai> i'm just wondering how xfce's shaping up in karmic
[04:03] <jdsbluedev> so I imagine you're talking about the boot problem instead?
[04:04] <musikgoat> jdsbluedev: hmm, there is a known bug in vino that causes the vnc server to not paint changes to the client when compiz is enabled, i had believed you were suffering from that
[04:05] <jdsbluedev> blinking problem remains in 2.6.31 bootup, even with Compiz off
[04:05] <jdsbluedev> so I guess you were talking about VLC
[04:06] <musikgoat> yes, did you see my statements above?
[04:06] <jdsbluedev> yeah, you said remote desktop
[04:06] <musikgoat> musikgoat: jdsbluedev: hmm, there is a known bug in vino that causes the vnc server to not paint changes to the client when compiz is enabled, i had believed you were suffering from that
[04:06] <jdsbluedev> I'm pretty much a novice when it comes to deeper stuff, so I didn't know what you meant by that
[04:06] <jdsbluedev> and that, I saw.
[04:06] <musikgoat> ahh
[04:07] <jdsbluedev> but yeah, the VLC and kernel problems are separate
[04:07] <myk_robinson1> need a litte help. Just installed 9.10 on a test laptop. Worked great in Live CD mode, but installed, the screen just flickers in text, does not respond to any typing, and i have to force a power down on the system. WHere to start? How can i startup in some sort of safe graphics mode long enough to run updates?
[04:07] <jdsbluedev> the kernel I tried to use was 2.6.31-10
[04:07] <jdsbluedev> seems to be unstable.  Kernel I set to default for the time being (until kernel issues are fixed) is 2.6.28-15
[04:09] <myk_robinson1> also, seems the hard drive light flickers in time with the screen. EXT4 issues, or kernel related?
[04:12] <bullgard4> indicator-applet-session 0.1 > Set Status opens a menu with 5 menu items: 'Available', 'Away', 'Busy', 'Invisible', 'Offline'. All are grayed out. Why?
[04:13] <musikgoat> bullgard4: wouldn't that only be used if you are using empathy?
[04:13] <musikgoat> are you running empathy?
[04:14] <myk_robinson1> any idea how to bring up the boot menu in 9.10?
[04:14] <musikgoat> myk_robinson1: possibly hold shift after bios
[04:14] <musikgoat> or tap continuously
[04:14] <bullgard4> musikgoat: Empathy IM client is installed by default. But I have not yet been running it on this computer.
[04:15] <myk_robinson1> shift got it, thank you
[04:15] <musikgoat> bullgard4: right, those options are tied into that app as far as i understand
[04:15] <musikgoat> myk_robinson1: cool
[04:15] <bullgard4> musikgoat: Ok. Thank you for commenting.
[04:15] <myk_robinson1> i still get the flicker even in recovery mode. I can do nothing, but the live CD worked.. ANy ideas?
[04:17] <myk_robinson1> the keyboard is workining now, but have to press each key several time before it enter.. trying to run updates to see if anything gets fixed
[04:18] <bullgard4> myk_robinson1: Please accustom to the habit to prepend your IRC messages with the nick of the addressee. It is impolite to the rest of the many users of a much used channel to leave that out.
[04:18] <myk_robinson1> bullgard4: sorry, it was a general inquiry meant for whomever could help
[04:19] <bullgard4> myk_robinson1: I see. Please enjoy Ubuntu.
[04:19] <jdsbluedev> another issue I'm noticing is that volume control does not seem to be working
[04:20] <musikgoat> jdsbluedev: hmm, i have seen that as well in jaunty as of late
[04:20] <jdsbluedev> musikgoat: it's missing from the toolbar, and it's refusing to open when I go to the Applications menu
[04:20] <webb82f> i need some help  gnome-do docky is very very slow on  my intel 943 card i hear the 2.4.3 driver will fix this
[04:21] <musikgoat> jdsbluedev: do you have an audio hardware detected in lspci?
[04:21] <jdsbluedev> yes, Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 8)
[04:22] <musikgoat> hmm, and are there built in drivers for that card? i'm not sure...
[04:22] <jdsbluedev> well, I can get sound if I turn the speakers up high
[04:23] <musikgoat> jdsbluedev: well that answers that :)
[04:23] <jdsbluedev> I think it's just a matter of getting into the system volume control
[04:23] <jdsbluedev> but I can't do that
[04:24] <jdsbluedev> I'm stuck on a dialog box that says "waiting for sound system to respond"
[04:24] <musikgoat> hmm, you can use alsamixer as a work around until the issue is fixed
[04:25] <jdsbluedev> yep, that's working
[04:26] <jdsbluedev> thx
[04:26] <jdsbluedev> as for the kernel problem, I guess I'll have to file a bug report on that.  Or do you know if anyone else is experiencing that?
[04:27] <musikgoat> jdsbluedev: hmm, looks like it could be due to pulseaudio being missing, did you uninstall that?
[04:27] <webb82f> i need to add a line to my xorg.config file but i cant find it in karmic
[04:27] <musikgoat> jdsbluedev: i'm not sure
[04:27] <jdsbluedev> musikgoat: the main pulseaudio package is installed
[04:28] <musikgoat> http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7960871
[04:28] <musikgoat> thats where i saw that possibility
[04:28] <bullgard4> webb82f: It is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:28] <jdsbluedev> musikgoat: it's installed, so that can't be it
[04:29] <musikgoat> jdsbluedev: yes, but you could add to this thread if you want
[04:29] <musikgoat> to get further help
[04:29] <webb82f> my xorg.config file is empty
[04:30] <webb82f> im trying to speed up gnome dos docky
[04:32] <bullgard4> webb82f: My xorg.conf is not empty by default. I do not know dos docky.
[04:32] <Cynthia> caution with 'dos', you really mean "do's". Gnome DO's Docky
[04:33] <musikgoat> webb82f: /etc/X11/xinit/sserverrc has some stuff... but i think everything is moved around in this version of X...
[04:35] <musikgoat> nice, fail!!!
[04:36] <musikgoat> init: unable to connect to the system bus: failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
[04:36] <musikgoat> same error I had before re-installing
[04:36] <webb82f> i need to add  Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy"  to xorg.conf
[04:36] <webb82f> will that mess up my computer
[04:37] <bjsnider> if it does it would be easy enough to fix
[04:38] <webb82f> how
[04:38] <bjsnider> blow away xorg.conf again
[04:40] <musikgoat> hmm, trying a dist-upgrade now to fix my issue :)
[04:40] <dael99> karmic alpha 6: Alt-gr key not working.. ideas??
[04:41] <Cynthia> dael99: using which keyboard layout?
[04:41] <dael99> Spanish
[04:41] <dael99> EEUU the same
[04:44] <dael99> neither the Win key
[04:44] <dael99> I've tried configuring I-Bus, nothing working...
[04:45] <Cynthia> |@#~½¬{[]}  is this your number row with Alt-Gr?
[04:45] <DanaG> ibus sucks, compared to SCIM.
[04:45] <dael99> \|@#~½¬{[]}\~
[04:45] <DanaG> If I try to use the latex input method, it eats all input without waiting for a '\' to trigger on.
[04:46] <dael99> @DanaG: but it's by default in Karmic
[04:46] <Cynthia> dael99: well, I don't know; I just typed this line in the Spain / variant Spain keyboard layout in XChat without much more configuration
[04:46] <DanaG> oh, and the icon in the tray is really, really fugly.
[04:46] <Cynthia> I just went into the keyboard preferences as usual
[04:47] <dael99> @Cynthia: but you are on Karmic??
[04:47] <Cynthia> dael99: Yes, on Karmic alpha 6, otherwise I would not be in #ubuntu+1 :)
[04:47] <dael99> @DanaG: cannot agree more...
[04:47] <dael99> xD
[04:48] <dael99> ok... any idea of WHY if I choose Spanish in boot menu, the layout is EEUU.. and not working??
[04:48] <webb82f> anoyone know of a good alternative to the gnome menu
[04:48] <Cynthia> dael99: Ah, in the boot menu for the live CD. I haven't tried it there, only from inside GNOME. Sorry.
[04:49] <dael99> @webb82f: you mean the tree words at the top?? Gnome super menu? Global Menu? AWN?
[04:49] <dael99> @Cynthia: anyway, it should work from inside...
[04:49] <Cynthia> It does work
[04:50] <dael99> @Cynthia: it seems like a bug for me or a regression
[04:53] <dael99> @Cynthia: i will boot again to karmic and return (i can't use the @ or # so, I can't log in IRC)
[04:53] <Cynthia> use Ctrl+Shift+U 0040 and 0023 @ #
[04:54] <Cynthia> /join <Ctrl+Shift+U>0040ubuntu+1
[04:56] <DanaG> ugh, the latex ibus method is completely broken.
[04:56] <DanaG> It eats everything.
[04:57] <DanaG> itseemstasdfoasdf
[04:57] <DanaG> argh, itkeepseatingallspacesbecauseitassumesit'ssupposedtomatcheverything.
[04:57] <Cynthia> translation: it seems to eat spaces too
[04:57] <DanaG> Ittriestoformamatchevenbeforeyouputinthebackslash.
[04:58] <DanaG> PerhapsIshouldfileabugonthat.
[04:58] <Cynthia> Perhaps you should
[04:58] <Cynthia> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=ibus+latex&search=Search+Bug+Reports&field.scope=project&field.scope.target=ubuntu
[04:59] <Cynthia> no bug filed about this yet
[05:01] <todd_> any info on karmic 64 not mounting cd media--I can burn correctly but not play or read them?
[05:11] <dael99> @Cynthia: working.
[05:11] <dael99> but i'll fill a Bug.
[05:11] <Cynthia> dael99: ok
[05:12] <dael99> @Cynthia: however, it's not set by default and means a usability issue.
[05:12] <dael99> (I'm on english desktop) can this be the reason?
[05:13] <Cynthia> it shouldn't do that even on an English desktop
[05:13] <Cynthia> if you select the Spain option in the CD boot screen
[05:13] <dael99> @Cynthia: totally agree. The fix is really simple (just a checkbox). Hope this doesn't land on Karmic
[05:14] <Cynthia> that should be applied as a keyboard layout independently of locale
[05:16] <dael99> I'll boot again to see how this behaves when selecting Spanish.
[05:17] <tj83> anyone know what i can do about a clicky or poping sound card initialization, even better how to make pulse audio stop crashing lol
[05:18] <dael99> @tj83: PulseAudio is really buggy, have you try killing it and using Alsa alone?
[05:19] <tj83> dael99, well, if i kill it respawns and i just got it actually working in all my applications so if can just keep it going would be good.
[05:21] <tj83> this normal? Sep 20 23:16:56 quad pulseaudio[5061]: ratelimit.c: 152 events suppressed
[05:21] <dael99> @tj83 is that from your syslog?
[05:22] <tj83> /var/log/messages
[05:22] <tj83> i am tailing syslog atm too
[05:22] <tj83> waiting for the next crash
[05:23] <myk_robinson> alright, another clean installation and the laptop is actually working now, no clue why.. My laptop fan is running constantly whereas it didint in the previous release. What can I do to begin troubleshooting? Its a compaq with AMD Athlon 64 X2 CPU
[05:24] <tj83> myk_robinson, see if cpu scaling is working use top or system monitor to see if you have any hung processes
[05:24] <tj83> pulse audio had me pegged at 99% earlier
[05:24] <myk_robinson> tj83: how can i verify cpu scaling?
[05:24] <Amaranth> tj83: 'We expect there will be regressions in the form of audible pops when the AMPs power down (and/or up). If you experience this symptom in 9.10, please file a bug using "ubuntu-bug alsa-base". Be sure to change the summary of the bug afterward to "[9.10 regression] HDA power_save=10".'
[05:25] <Amaranth> tj83: I suppose you won't want to use the title though so I could have just said `ubuntu-bug alsa-base` :P
[05:25] <dael99> @tj83: no, it's not normal :D
[05:25] <myk_robinson> tj83: processes seem normal, minimal usage while idle
[05:25] <Amaranth> dael99: pretty sure putting @ like that breaks nick highlighting for most people which defeats the whole purpose of putting the nick in front of a line
[05:25] <myk_robinson> tj83: pulseaudio is showing to be sleeping, using 0%
[05:26] <Cynthia> Amaranth: not to mention that the @ can make the target look like an op
[05:27] <Cynthia> though @Cynthia: earlier did highlight me, I guess XChat is lenient on that
[05:27] <tj83> myk_robinson, sudo tail /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
[05:27] <tj83> sorry had to dive in to remember that path.
[05:27] <tj83> lol
[05:28] <myk_robinson> tj83: seems to be. I ran the command a few times and got different numbers, mostly being lower
[05:29] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus-table/+bug/433778
[05:30] <tj83> myk_robinson, then its working
[05:31] <tj83> myk_robinson, you could try a combination of gkrellm or conkey and lm-sensors to get temperatures in most cases, hddtemp too
[05:31] <myk_robinson> tj83: thank you. Is there more I can check? May just be some regression within the kernel. 9.04 did not do this, the fan cut on and off with regard to temperatire.
[05:31] <Cynthia> tj83: or less /etc/motd
[05:32] <myk_robinson> tj83: just checked my temps with lm-sensors, everything is fine. 41 degrees celcius with a critical of 120 degrees
[05:32] <Cynthia> because of the update-motd package, which gives you the temperature of the processor
[05:36] <om26er> after the complete upgrade empathy is removed and cannot be installed again i get some dependency error
[05:36] <genii-around> Bah. "Lucid Lynx" indeed.
[05:37] <Amaranth> om26er: This is why you don't blindly dist-upgrade
[05:37] <Amaranth> om26er: wait a couple hours until all the pieces of it finish building and try again
[05:39] <musikgoat> om26er: did you update your repos?
[05:39] <om26er> musikgoat: yes i just updated them
[05:40] <om26er> empathy: Depends: libebook1.2-9 (>= 2.27.92)
[05:44] <genii-around> Is there any plan to implement some sanity check on a .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives before the system tries to install it? Currently if the file partially exists from a broken download it assumes the thing is whole
[05:47] <mezquitale> how do you configure nic's in karmic?
[05:47] <tj83> genii-around, @ Lucid Lynx... i was there at ALF, were you?
[05:47] <genii-around> tj83: No, I don't get out much. They have me physically chained to the computer
[05:47] <tj83> mezquitale, is it not /etc/network/interfaces anymore?
[05:48] <om26er> empathy: Depends: libebook1.2-9 (>= 2.27.92)
[05:48] <om26er> this error is now more than 5days old
[05:49] <mezquitale> tj83, i do not know, I didnt automatically configure my nic's when I installed karmic because I did not have net access at the time
[05:50] <tj83> mezquitale, use the GUI nm-applet network manager in the system tray or use the file /etc/network/interfaces file to manually configure.
[05:50] <genii-around> om26er: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libebook&searchon=names&suite=karmic&section=all reports libebook is at that version (2.27.92). So you could try force version with something like: sudo apt-get install libebook=2.27.92
[05:52] <genii-around> might need packagename exactly as libebook1.2-9  there actually, but same idea
[05:52] <musikgoat> hmm, i guess the status options are not enabled, even when empathy is running...
[05:52] <tj83> up's updates... rebooting.
[05:52] <musikgoat> I have all grey options for status under the section where I can shutdown
[05:52] <om26er> genii-around: it says no package libebook
[05:53] <mezquitale> tj83, it looks like i have to install the drivers first, I cant even configure the wireless,  the error Im getting is "Tthe configuration could not be saved.  Invalid data was found."
[05:53] <genii-around> om26er: try as I said then with packagename set to libebook1.2-9           but otherwise exact same command
[05:54] <genii-around> om26er: eg: sudo apt-get install libebook1.2-9=2.27.92
[05:55] <om26er> genii-around: E: Version '2.27.92' for 'libebook1.2-9' was not found
[05:55] <musikgoat> bullgard4: I'm sorry, I was wrong about the status options you were referencing... looks like they are not integrated into empathy currently... or there is something stopping them from working even when empathy is running
[05:55] <genii-around> om26er: please pastebin result of: apt-cache policy libebook1.2-9
[05:56] <bullgard4> musikgoat: Thank you for your information.
[05:56]  * genii-around sips and thinks likely version specified as 2.27.92-0ubuntu1 
[05:57] <om26er> genii-around: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m122cd2b4
[05:57] <mezquitale> tj83_, thanks, i have an IP now, dont know if it'll work correctly but now I can at least download the updates
[05:58] <genii-around> om26er: try then: sudo apt-get install libebook1.2-9=2.27.92-0ubuntu1
[05:58] <mezquitale> if youre trying out the latest and greatest alpha version, how will I be able to upgrade to the actual karmic release?? Will I be able to upgrade the alpha version to the official release?
[05:59] <om26er> genii-around: libebook1.2-9: Depends: libcamel1.2-14 (>= 2.27)
[05:59] <om26er>                  Depends: libedataserver1.2-11 (>= 2.27.92)
[05:59] <genii-around> Yes
[05:59] <om26er> genii-around: when i install libedataserver it asks to remove many packages
[06:01] <genii-around> om26er: I'm not sure what packages that one needs or doesn't need removed. If it doesn't look like anything crucial I'd likely chance it. but thats just me.
[06:02] <om26er> genii-around: believe it tends to remove far important things
[06:02] <mezquitale> Karmic has the same flaw jaunty has, it can't automatically configure grub so that it adds existing operating systems to GRUB, now I have to manually add xp and jaunty
[06:03] <genii-around> om26er: Anyhow, the basic idea is.. when it says something like: Depends packagename (>=1.2.3whatever)   then the result of: apt-cache policy packagename gives you the candidate's version numbers to use as a specific version to ask it to install, as we did just earlier
[06:04] <om26er> genii-around: by doing that with libedataserver it asked me to remove things.
[06:04] <om26er> # sorry i forgot to tell u but i am on ubuntu moblin remix
[06:07] <DanaG> ARGH,　stupidIBUS.
[06:10] <genii-around> om26er: Is the list of things it wants to remove larger than the list of dependencies off the page here? http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/libedataserver1.2-11
[06:12] <om26er> genii-around: how abt this http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m72545f78
[06:14] <genii-around> om26er: Yes, wanting to remove gnome-control-panel and gnome-session and so on is somewhat worrying
[06:15] <om26er> genii-around: it aske to remove the whole moblin environment
[06:16] <genii-around> om26er: Hm. I have no satisfactory solution then.
[06:17] <om26er> any body here can plz tell me when is the new daily image of ubuntu moblin remix is gonna come. it milestone target is karmic-beta and no live image after 14september?
[06:18] <Cynthia> Karmic beta is next week
[06:19] <mezquitale> join #ubuntustudio
[06:19] <om26er> mezquitale: me?
[06:22] <mezquitale> om26er, no, i wanted to join #ubuntustudio, i just didn't type "/" at the beginning, sorry
[07:39] <^arky^> Darn! Anyone got a clue: my computer fails to find ./lib/cryptdisks/cryptdisks.functions and refuses to boot
[08:06] <cwillu> anyone care to enlighten me on the internals of bash completions?
[08:22] <njs> after an upgrade to karmic, I'm getting "these packages cannot be authenticated!" errors from apt-get upgrade -- I guess ubuntu switched signing keys or something? Anyone know how to fix this?
[08:32] <aftertaf> hi all
[08:33] <aftertaf> karmic is looking nicer and nicer,  though a couple of issues from time to time. but hey, thats unstable :)
[08:33] <aftertaf> i lost sound yesterday, i understand squat about pulse audio, and now sound is back :) Anyone know how to install the codecs for k3b aplha 1.66?
[08:34] <BHSPitMonkey_> njs, I can't relate to the signing issue, but you should prefer "apt-get dist-upgrade" over just "upgrade" if you don't already
[08:34] <njs> BHSPitMonkey_: old sid habits :-)
[08:34] <njs> BHSPitMonkey_: but thanks
[08:35] <aftertaf> wondering if theres a packaging error, because it depends on libavcodec version that can be replaced by another one, but doing so wants to remove loads of stuff . . .
[08:39] <vega> any tests around regarding karmic bootup speed? ie. has it dropped compared to jaunty
[08:40] <aftertaf> i think so.
[08:40] <aftertaf> but also speed changes due to ext4
[08:40] <aftertaf> and since ext4 killed my goldfish, i reverted
[08:43] <vega> upgraded a few weeks but i forgot to record the time it took to boot on jaunty
[08:43] <vega> oh well, it seems the bigger steps in reducing boot time are going to happen in 10.04
[08:50] <aftertaf> i also see that a lot of /etc/init.d services have muted into 'Services' . . . .
[08:51] <cwillu> aftertaf, /etc/init/
[08:51] <cwillu> upstart jobs, which is something that's been in place for years now; it's good to see that it's finally getting used for more than tty's :)
[08:51] <aftertaf> wazzat all about then ? :)
[08:51] <cwillu> start <job>; stop <job>
[08:51] <aftertaf> ah right....
[08:51] <cwillu> upstart is the init
[08:51] <aftertaf> big difference to init.d ??
[08:52] <cwillu> which lets it do that sort of thing far more effectively
[08:52] <cwillu> (the init process ultimately gets notification when any child process dies if its been orphaned, which otherwise has to be hacked in to do rc stuff)
[08:52] <cwillu> the job files are quite a bit simpler, although I don't know that we get much of the benefit of that yet
[08:53] <cwillu> as I think the upstart jobs were mechanically translated
[08:53] <aftertaf> :) ok thx for that
[08:53] <aftertaf> just as i got used to init.d stuff :)
[08:54] <cwillu> aftertaf, look in /etc/event.d/ for the previously existing jobs, which are simpler to look at and generally a better example
[08:54] <cwillu> suffice to say that I hope start-stop-daemon dies a horribly painful death due to neglect now :)
[08:54] <aftertaf> oki
[08:54] <aftertaf> daemon is evil :)
[08:54] <Turms_> i'm updating karmic, but i find in the repository vim-tiny only and not vim, is it just a my problem (i'm updating via chroot from debian because i cannot boot into karmic after the install
[08:55] <aftertaf> Turms_: whats your blocking error for karmic boot ?
[08:55] <cwillu> aftertaf, http://pastebin.com/f5f52083a is a complete job description on one of my servers
[08:55] <cwillu> aftertaf, i.e., everything that is necessary to make sure that job never dies
[08:56] <cwillu> notice how it's 5 lines long :p
[08:56] <aftertaf> that is like, bag loads simpler :)
[08:56] <cwillu> it is, it is
[08:56] <aftertaf> :)
[08:56] <Turms_> aftertaf: the problem is apparmor,
[08:56] <desaparecido> hi, i have a problem (it's the second time this time) with KMAIL and IMAPdisconnect, I losted all my email without notice, only ALL IS EMPTY..  i use Kubuntu Karmic with latest updates, somes ideas??? thanks
[08:57] <Turms_> aftertaf: so i tried to boot using the recovery mode
[08:57] <aftertaf> any way to turn off apparmor ?
[08:57] <cwillu> aftertaf, /etc/init.d/apparmor stop
[08:58] <aftertaf> or stop apparmor ? :)
[08:58] <cwillu> yes, it's that simple :p
[08:58] <cwillu> no, it's not an upstart job yet I don't think
[08:58] <cwillu> but one or the other :p
[08:58] <aftertaf> oki :)
[08:58] <aftertaf> i'm grasping
[08:58] <Turms_> aftertaf: no, i didn't , in recovery mode it boots because it skip apparmor
[08:58] <aftertaf> Turms_: recovery mode do anything good ?
[08:58] <cwillu> !motd
[08:58] <cwillu> !topic
[08:59] <aftertaf> there a 'workaround' for that? i've not had that problem . . .
[08:59] <Turms_> aftertaf: as i said before in recovery it boots but i cannot connect
[08:59] <cwillu> desaparecido, """Karmic is NOT RELEASED and may break your system""".  That said, I don't actually have any useful information to give you, sorry :;p
[08:59] <aftertaf> Turms_: in recov mode, in shell, disable apparmor completely, and try reboot
[08:59] <aftertaf> but you're in a chroot, you cant update things ?
[09:00] <Armageddon> alpha6 live mode didn't boot, and stoped at the loading screen
[09:00] <cwillu> Armageddon, remove "quiet splash" from the boot line in grub, that'll give some useful info
[09:01] <cwillu> or from the loader
[09:01] <Armageddon> i tried it from the livecd :/
[09:02] <desaparecido> cwillu: i know that, but i search to understand why, but if theres not information :( i hope that is a small problem to resolve with futurs updates.  I will to sync "again" my kmail account.thanks
[09:04] <cwillu> desaparecido, "ubuntu-bug kmail" and follow the prompts.  Worst case, somebody converts it to a question, best case, it gets fixed :)
[09:06] <Turms_> aftertaf: yes i 've updated, but i cannot find vim, just vim-tiny, is it the same for you?
[09:06] <aftertaf> Turms_: aftertaf@serendipity:~$ whereis vim
[09:06] <aftertaf> vim: /usr/bin/vim.tiny /usr/bin/vim.basic /usr/bin/vim /etc/vim /usr/share/vim /usr/share/man/man1/vim.1.gz
[09:07] <aftertaf> no i have it
[09:07] <desaparecido> cwillu: thanks.. i will do it
[09:07] <Turms_> aftertaf: well, this is very strange
[09:07] <Turms_> aftertaf: anyway i've some problems updating via chroot
[09:08] <Armageddon> desaparecido: Don't worry but it will get fixed sooner or later, since Jaunty Jackalops was released, my bluetooth didn't work at all ! and today for no apparent reason but updates it works :)
[09:08] <Turms_> aftertaf: uhmmm, if i use dselect it doesn't find vim, if i run apt-get install vim it finds it
[09:10] <Turms_> aftertaf: anyway ok, how do i stop apparmor in order it do not starts at the next boot?
[09:11] <aftertaf> you can easily do a change that can be reverted back . . . .
[09:12] <aftertaf> remove the executalbe flag on /etc/rcS.d/apparmor with chmod -x
[09:13] <Turms_> aftertaf: ah ok, i was thinking of using update-rc.d
[09:13] <aftertaf> i find that syntax easily mistakable :)
[09:13] <aftertaf> my problem ;)
[09:18] <desaparecido> Armageddon: yeah, you're reason, i hope that will be soon, but i funny all the problems of beta's to learn :P
[09:33] <aftertaf> Turms_: get anywhere ?
[09:44] <Turms_> aftertaf: sorry, i've received a phone call, i'll try to start karmic following your suggestion , tks
[09:44] <aftertaf> Turms_: life happens ;)
[09:52] <Turms_> aftertaf: if i'm not mistaken i remember having read somewuere that i could add in the grub.cfg something like apparmor=off or apparmor=no or false
[09:52] <Turms_> ok, anyway i reboot
[10:10] <Turms> aftertaf: ok, i'm in karmic
[10:11] <Turms> aftertaf: i'd to reconfigure /etc/network/interfaces because x doesn't start neither nm-applet does :-D
[10:13] <Turms> i think i'll file a couple of bugsreport, first for the apparmor problem, second because x starts everything seem to work and suddenly it dies
[10:31] <ManateeLazyCat> Hi guys, 9.10 is stable enough now?
[10:32] <ManateeLazyCat> I occur error (maybe is bug) in 9.04, i think i will try to use 9.10 (skip 9.04) if it stable enough.
[10:35] <Sensiva> ManateeLazyCat Its in the topic. Karmic is NOT RELEASED and may break your system
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[10:50]  * lupine_85 mashes some parsnips actively ;)
[10:50] <lupine_85> morning
[10:53] <ActionParsnip> why is it that vlc plays videos / music really badly but totem playsit really well and smooth?
[11:04] <mac_v> ActionParsnip: what is the volume level? vlc can have levels upto 400%
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> 100%
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> it just stutters and stammers
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> 2b DDR2 + 1.6Ghz AM2 Semperon
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> s/2b/2Gb
[11:05] <mac_v> hmm , yeah , the stuttering happens to me too  , i just delete the /.pulse folder and restart pulse
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> mac_v: i'll give it a buzz
[11:06] <mac_v> not -k , but $killall pulseaudio && pulseaudio
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> btw frets on fire mhl mod 3.1 is da BOM
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> is .pulse-cookie to e deleted too?
[11:08] <mac_v> i havent tried that  ... but give kick it ;)
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> yeah :D
[11:08] <vistakiller> play pause buttons in flash player didnt work
[11:08] <vistakiller> anyone else have the problem?
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller: try turning off visual effects
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller: yes mine does it too, kill efects and you are gold
[11:09] <vistakiller> i like effect :P :D
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller: more then play / pause in flash based videos?
[11:09] <mac_v> lol
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> i hate compiz so much
[11:10] <vistakiller> but it works...
[11:10] <vistakiller> compiz help me to work
[11:10]  * lupine_85 is finding gnome-shell Better(tm)
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller: well its breaking other stuff (standard)
[11:10] <vistakiller> expo scale plugin is very usefull
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller: then you'll have to switch etween efects and no efects when you use flash video if you need stop / pause / whatever
[11:11] <lupine_85> can't use it 100% yet, though
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> lupine_85: tried tilda?
[11:11] <lupine_85> nah, I use yakuake
[11:12]  * lupine_85 tends to use gnome DE but KDE apps
[11:12] <vistakiller> maybe i will try and 64 edition of flash player
[11:12] <lupine_85> best of both worlds, etc :)
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> lupine_85: same difference :)
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> lupine_85: i try to stick to one, less bloat
[11:14] <vistakiller> in kwin with effect is work fine..
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller: kwin can perform effects of its own, gnome will use compiz and compiz can break stuff
[11:15]  * lupine_85 finds it impossible to stick to one, and doesn't need to worry about the 'bloat'
[11:15] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller: ask in #compiz they may know a trick or 3
[11:15] <vistakiller> i have reload compiz and now it works...
[11:15] <vistakiller> xm..
[11:15] <lupine_85> some MB of shared libraries doesn't kill me :)
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> lupine_85: why not install e17 and openbox too?
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> lupine_85: best of many worlds
[11:16] <lupine_85> because I prefer the gnome DE to theirs
[11:16] <lupine_85> obviously :)
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> lupine_85: but you are "losing out" ;) this is why i keep mine pure
[11:17] <lupine_85> nah, I have more choice than you, ergo I win
[11:17] <lupine_85> e.g. I get to use konsole/yakuake, which is superior to gnome-terminal/tilda
[11:17] <lupine_85> (IMO, anyway)
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> lupine_85: how is it superior?
[11:18] <lupine_85> the tabs are better, and the pulldown action is also better
[11:18] <lupine_85> split horizontally/split vertically is awesome
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> pulldown takes time. I have it snapping down no messing around
[11:18] <lupine_85> *shrug*
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> yeah the split is nice, tilda uses tabs which isnt so great
[11:19] <lupine_85> your policy of 'purity' means you can't use it, though :)
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> oh i use it, and well
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> chat and browsing and frets on fire is practically all i do
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> so LXDE for me :)
[11:31] <mac_v> lupine_85: hmm.. how are you able to run gnome-shell? i get errors when is start with $/usr/bin/gnome-shell --replace
[11:31] <mac_v> it just falls back to the panel :(
[11:32] <lupine_85> mac_v, you're likely missing a symlink of /usr/lib/libclutter-glx.....
[11:32] <lupine_85> hang on, I fixed it here
[11:32] <mac_v> i got a couple of these errors> WARNING: Application calling GLX 1.3 function "glXCreatePixmap" when GLX 1.3 is not supported!  This is an application bug!
[11:33] <lupine_85> libclutter-glx-1.0.so should link to libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0 which should link to libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0.0.0
[11:33] <lupine_85> and of course, if your card doesn't support GLX 1.3, you've got no hope anyway
[11:33] <mac_v> aw :(
[11:33] <lupine_85> there's a libclutter-gtk, but I don't think gnome-shell plays well
[11:34] <mac_v> stupid ATI cards!
[11:36] <lupine_85> using fglrx or -ati ?
[11:36] <mac_v> -ati from xorg edgers
[11:37] <lupine_85> ah, well, it'll get there eventually
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> mac_v: +1
[11:38]  * lupine_85 has a couple of radeon hd 3xxx cards sat around - he got bored of waiting for the open-source graphics card drives, and hates fglrx, so got an nvidia card instead
[11:39]  * mac_v bought a laptop with stupid ATI cards! :(
[11:39] <mac_v> card*
[11:39] <lupine_85> heh
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> always buys nvidia
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> and consults HCL to ensure compatibility
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> shop smart and you get less grief
[11:43] <lupine_85> :)
[11:43] <lupine_85> I did that, and only had a minor moment of insanity back when ATI was bought by AMD (who I'm a fanboi of)
[11:43] <mac_v> heh... i bought this ~3yrs ago , when all cards were crappy ;p
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> mac_v: nvidia has been good to me since TNT2 Ultra was top dog
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> 1998 maybe...
[11:45] <mac_v> meh... i'v heard complaints here about nvidia too ;)
[11:46] <mac_v> but ATI is sloooooooooowly , getting better
[11:47] <mac_v> KMS works with kernel -9 onwards but there needs to be a bit of tweaking in the kernel to make it work good
[11:49]  * lupine_85 wonders who else started off with an S3 ViRGE DX
[11:50] <lupine_85> S3 = win
[11:50] <lupine_85> or they did...
[11:50] <penguin42> was theat the 864 chip?
[11:51] <lupine_85> I think, a bit after that
[11:51] <penguin42> my P90 had an 864 :-)
[11:57] <alankila> I don't remember which S3 my P90 had... But I recall going to shop to buy some extra RAM chips for it and plugging them into the video board. (And it worked, too.)
[12:01]  * penguin42 should probably try a Karmic CD on his P90, I know Lenny doesn't work, but that boot problem was fixed in 2.6.29ish
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> penguin42: try puppy ;)
[12:02] <penguin42> hmm that does remind me, I need to get my puppy ARM Slug running again
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> or xpud if you are feeling brave. Boots hell fast
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> but is limited
[12:05] <Michalxo> hello
[12:05] <Michalxo> NM problem here
[12:05] <Michalxo> I am unable to connect lan network in school
[12:05] <Michalxo> I had to use sudo dhclient to get IP and connection
[12:05] <Michalxo> wifi had big issues too...
[12:06] <Michalxo> anyone with something lsimilar?
[12:10] <penguin42> Michalxo: My NM has switched which of it's configurations it uses by default
[12:10] <Michalxo> well my NM is dead.. bu I have connection :)
[12:19] <vistakiller> why i cant login in kubuntu with my user
[12:19] <vistakiller> is say permision denied
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller: can you log on as another user?
[12:20] <vistakiller> no
[12:20] <vistakiller> when i sellect the user the login screen reload and says permision denied
[12:21] <penguin42> vistakiller: use ctrl-alt-f1 to switch to a text console and see if you can log in there (you can switch back with ctrl-alt-f7 or maybe 8)
[12:21] <James147> vistakiller: Make sure capslock isent on first ;)
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller: try booting to root recovery, make a new user then reboot and try logon as that
[12:21] <vistakiller> same there
[12:22] <vistakiller> i cant type the pass
[12:22] <vistakiller> when i sellect the user it say permision denied
[12:22] <James147> vistakiller: in the virtual console you wont see the password being typed, but it is
[12:22] <vistakiller> ok i will try to do new user
[12:22] <vistakiller> i know...
[12:22] <vistakiller> i use 3 years ubuntu :p
[12:22] <James147> vistakiller: just making sure ;)
[12:24] <kristian42> ANyone know what I have to do to get my altgr key to work in gnome again ? It works on a new user I create on my machine, but fails on my upgraded user
[12:25] <vistakiller> i try to add a user in recovery mode and it say paswwd: permision denied
[12:25] <penguin42> kristian42: You could try system->preferences->keyboard->Layouts, select your keyboard and hit layout options
[12:28] <vistakiller> and with the new user the same thing
[12:29] <vistakiller> i think i have to reinstall xubuntu
[12:30] <kristian42> penguin42: Thanks, I had to uncheck the "separate layout" - clicking "apply system wide" did not seem to do the trick before I did a quick "Reset to defaults" and then Apply System wide. Strange.
[12:31] <penguin42> kristian42: There are so many options on that screen I think it's hard to know which one randomly changes your behaviour!
[12:32] <kristian42> penguin42: Yup, I suppose that gui leaves something to be desired. Thanks a lot
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller: in recovery console try: dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[12:36] <vistakiller> ok
[12:38] <vistakiller> is show an error
[12:40] <vistakiller> failed to load file "/var/lib/gconf/defaults/%conf-tree-zh_CN.xm1": Error on line 1 char 1:Document must begin with an element (e.g. <book>)
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller: open the file in nano, see what you can see
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller: here is mine: http://pastebin.com/f22e508
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller: its: /var/lib/gconf/defaults/%gconf-tree-zh_CN.xml
[12:44] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller: its a big ass file
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller: 96k of text!
[12:48] <vistakiller> that it means reinstall...
[12:48] <vistakiller> :P
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller: you could put my file on a usb stick / whatever and transfer
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> or you could log in with a different language maybe
[12:49] <penguin42> vistakiller: What do you see in that file?
[12:51] <vistakiller> the error say about line 1
[12:52] <penguin42> yeh - what do you see on the first line of your file?
[12:53] <vistakiller> wait a min to open it
[12:53] <vistakiller> nothing only this @
[12:54] <vistakiller> strange
[12:54] <vistakiller> the name of text broswer?
[12:55] <penguin42> more
[12:55] <vistakiller> tell me the name of text broswer
[12:55] <vistakiller> not the lynx
[12:55] <vistakiller> the other
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> opera, midori, kazenchaze, epiphany
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> konqueror
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> swiftfox
[12:56] <penguin42> w3m ?
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> firepup
[12:56] <vistakiller> yes w3m
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> ies4linux
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> fennec
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> !browser
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> hell yeah !
[12:57] <Pici> w3m
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> lynx2
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> arachnne
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> (sp)
[13:00] <vistakiller> what is the folder that w3m download the files?
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> ~/.w3m   is my guess
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> or ~/
[13:01] <vistakiller> ok other time
[13:01] <vistakiller> bye and thanks
[13:05] <exco> hi. I've got this audio device
[13:05] <exco> 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation System Controller Hub (SCH Poulsbo) HD Audio Controller [8086:811b] (rev 06)
[13:05] <exco> sound does work - but the mic does not. Any suggestions?
[13:05] <Hew> playing a song with rhythmbox or totem will cause the application to freeze after a while. Is there any way to find out what process is causing the problem? gdb on totem doesn't catch anything.
[13:05] <ActionParsnip> !intelhda
[13:06] <ActionParsnip> Hew: check in: dmesg | tail    when it falls over
[13:07] <myk_robinson> morning. In 9.10, how do i change the login screen/gdm theme? I go to the Login option under system, and the theme change is no longer there
[13:07] <Hew> ActionParsnip, nothing there :S
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> Hew: try running the app in terminal without & and see if the output is useful
[13:11] <Hew> ActionParsnip, nothing there either. To be clear, it's the sound that is stopping. After sound fails the UI freezes as soon as I press a button.
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> log a bug is all i can suggest
[13:12] <exco> thanks, ActionParsnip: $ cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec -> Codec: Realtek ALC262 unfortunately not mentioned in /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/ALSA-Configuration.txt.gz but I'll try google
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> does it happen in all players?
[13:14] <Hew> ActionParsnip, I usually only use Rhythmbox. I was listening to this track for an hour with no problems, then it froze (it has done it before). Now it's freezing under a minute every time. Testing with totem does the same thing. Also when I play Nexuiz my sound often breaks.
[13:14] <Hew> I'm hesitant to file Yet Another Bug when I don't even know which package is causing the problem
[13:16] <penguin42> Hew: Do you get anything in dmesg?
[13:16] <pincio> hello
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> Hew: could try renaming the config folder for the app in home
[13:17] <Hew> penguin42, I do not
[13:17] <Hew> ActionParsnip, I'm getting the problem with both Rhythmbox and Totem so I suspect it's something sound related, rather than a problem with the app itself
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> Hew: try: killall pulseaudio; rm -rf ~/.pulse; rm ~/.pulse-cookie
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> Hew: then press alt+f2 and run    pulseaudio
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> Hew: see if its better
[13:20] <Hew> pulseaudio seems to resurrect itself automatically..
[13:20]  * Hew tests
[13:21] <penguin42> Hew: Yeh - there's an option to autorespawn the client
[13:21] <penguin42> Hew: Another place to look for pulse badness is /var/log/user.log
[13:22] <Hew> I've looked through all logs in the System Log Viewer, can't see anything.
[13:23] <penguin42> does that include user.log?
[13:24] <Hew> yes
[13:25] <penguin42> hmm
[13:25] <firestorm> Hi there. Am running karmic. In firefox I get a 'content encoding error' quite frequently. Any known fixes/workarounds?
[13:28] <Hew> deleting ~/.pulse seems to have fixed the problem, for now :)
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> Hew: i have to do the same if I use vlc.
[13:38] <Hew> yea, sound has always been a bit of a mess, but it's particularly terrible with Karmic (even with latest pulseaudio).
[13:38] <Hew> Hopefully more issues will be ironed out before release
[13:43] <Amaranth> anyone here suffering from bug 430981?
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> I nevr change my keybindings.. so  not noticed :)
[13:45] <Hew> bah, sound broke again..
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> Its still 'poping' here for me every so often
[13:45] <Amaranth> Dr_Willis: Did you file a bug?
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> Its been known about since alpha3 it seems..
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> some people say its a pulse  putting the card to sleep issue..
[13:48] <Amaranth> Dr_Willis: not pulse, the kernel
[13:49] <Amaranth> Dr_Willis: we enabled HDA power saving
[13:50] <Amaranth> Dr_Willis: 'We expect there will be regressions in the form of audible pops when the AMPs power down (and/or up). If you experience this symptom in 9.10, please file a bug using "ubuntu-bug alsa-base". Be sure to change the summary of the bug afterward to "[9.10 regression] HDA power_save=10".'
[13:50] <penguin42> note the power saving pops/clicks really should only happen at idle and shouldn't be the pops/clicks people are hearing during normal play
[13:52]  * penguin42 did manage to reduce the amount of popping/clicking after someones suggestion on here yesterday (possibly BUGabundo?) of opening paman and setting near everything to 100% (0.00db)
[13:54] <GobiTheGoblin> I tried karmic moblin remix today, it was a utter failure =) well, gotta try that one later, looks so fancy and slick. Just what my woman could use
[13:54] <Spike1506> is the ati issue in 9.10 fixed already?
[13:57] <Amaranth> Spike1506: yes
[13:57] <Spike1506> nice
[14:08] <vigo> Hello, is everyone getting this rather large update?
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> vigo: just got 1.8Mb of updates....
[14:11] <vigo> Okee dokee, bunch of languages here..
[14:11] <vigo> 87.9mb worth
[14:11] <GobiTheGoblin> no updated 4 me :(
[14:12] <vigo> GobiTheGoblin: delete something non-essential. :-)
[14:13] <Dr_Willis> penguin42:  right thats exactly when it pops.
[14:14] <GobiTheGoblin> vigo: That might help :D
[14:15] <vigo> I tried my best to Konfuse this one, did not work. So all is good in the neighborhood.
[14:16] <exco> is anybody running karmic with an external monitor in dual monitor setup?
[14:17] <penguin42> exco: Yes
[14:18] <exco> penguin42: any problems with usable screen space? On my MSI Wind I can only use a fraction of the space and full sending a program to fullscreen doesn't use the whole screen as well
[14:19] <penguin42> exco: If you bring up the display settings for the monitor does it show the right res?
[14:20] <exco> penguin42: I set the external Monitor to 1280x1024 ... and the screen is completely filled (the brown background image) - but I just can't use it with programs
[14:20] <penguin42> exco: Oh weird
[14:21] <penguin42> exco: If you run xrandr at the command line does it show the correct res ?
[14:21] <exco> penguin42: definitely, but I haven't read anybody else having these issues ... that's why I asked
[14:22] <penguin42> exco: I've got an xorg.conf in, so it's possible that if those problems exist I might not have spotted them - I'm running Intel graphics - you?
[14:22] <exco> penguin42: xrandr shows VGA1 detected as 1680x1050 but set to 1280x1024, LVDS1 as 1024x600
[14:23] <exco> penguin42: Intel 945GME
[14:23] <penguin42> exco: Yeh I'm also on Intel  945 - have you got the two heads next to each other horizontally or vertically?
[14:25] <exco> vertically, penguin42 because the monitor is above the netbook ;-)
[14:25] <penguin42> exco: OK, that's good - there's a limitation on those chips that they can't do 3D if more than 2048 accross - I have it also setup vertically according to X (although horizontal physically!)
[14:27] <exco> I just ran a bunch of updates on that machine ... doing a restart and will now start playing with different resolutions ... lets see if that does anything
[14:27] <exco> I still have multiple issues with Karmic ... but overall it runs quite nice
[14:29] <ActionParsnip> wow firefox 3.5 on kermic is running at 20% cpu on a 3000 AM2 seperon
[14:29] <nemo> Sound has been horribly erratic for me in Karmic
[14:29] <nemo> pulseaudio crashing
[14:29] <ActionParsnip> not bad for flash
[14:29] <nemo> pulseaudio crashing totem
[14:29] <exco> penguin42: since you have the same graphics chip - are you also affected by the brightness flickering from login till you change brightness?
[14:29] <nemo> pulseaudio sucking up constant amounts of CPU for hours on end
[14:29] <penguin42> exco: No
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> nemo: theres a ppa for a bleeding edge release
[14:30] <penguin42> exco: But backlight brightness is more magic of a particular laptop rather than the graphics chip
[14:30] <nemo> pulseaudio using completely wrong output for volume control (hopefully latest patch reverting that will help there)
[14:30] <nemo> basically all my problems w/ karmic can be traced to pulseaudio
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> nemo: snap
[14:34] <ActionParsnip> whats the key combo to get the terminal back please?
[14:35] <penguin42> back?
[14:35] <exco> penguin42: it's really weird. I can do 1680x1050 and 1024x600 horizontal (although that exceeds 2048) and everything works fine - as it should
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> penguin42: yes, to make it act as if i'd used &
[14:35] <BluesKaj> ctrl+alt+f1
[14:35] <penguin42> oh, ctrl-z
[14:35] <penguin42> and then bg
[14:36] <exco> penguin42: ?
[14:36] <kajik>  hi, i installed karmic and ran into serious problems with ati x1400 on my thinkpad t60, it is constantly overheating, i have to run the fan manually on full to keep the gpu temperature at around 61 (celsius) , i installed all the new packages from the xorg-edgers ppa but the problem remains...
[14:36] <penguin42> those were for ActionParsnip
[14:36] <ActionParsnip> penguin42: cheers fellah
[14:36] <penguin42> exco: Can you move the mouse over the whole area - just not put any windows there?
[14:37] <exco> penguin42: exactly
[14:37] <penguin42> exco: weird
[14:37] <penguin42> exco: Do you reckon you can put windows up to say 1024 accross?
[14:38] <exco> penguin42: I'll make a pic ... just a sec
[14:39] <acicula> kajik: 61C is not very hot for a gpu?
[14:40] <acicula> kajik: is it crashing due to overheating?
[14:40] <penguin42> anyone having problems with authentication required boxes when mounting discs in the last couple of days?
[14:40] <kajik> it stays on 61c with full power fan
[14:40] <acicula> kajik: seems alright?
[14:40] <kajik> it crashed at the beginning with hardware-controlled fan at 98 C
[14:40] <acicula> how hot did it get before?
[14:41] <penguin42> kajik: try running watch acpi -t     in a terminal constantly and see if the fan goes on and off as it should
[14:41] <js> hi
[14:41] <js> is there any way to boot the system if struck by this bug:
[14:41] <js> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/430496
[14:41] <js> rescue does not boot
[14:41] <js> because the initrd contains the error
[14:41] <js> and the kernel refuses to find the rootfs without initrd
[14:42] <kajik> i installed thinkpad fan controll (tpfand) to override the hardware controll to keep my computer alive
[14:42] <js> I even commented out everything in /etc/crypttab
[14:42] <js> it just won't boot anymore
[14:42] <js> using an old kernel won't help either
[14:42] <js> can't even fucking boot into singleuser mode
[14:42] <js> init=/bin/sh is ignored as well :/
[14:43] <js> all I need to do is apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and the system would work again
[14:43] <js> but how could I do this? I'm out of ideas
[14:43] <BluesKaj> js, update-grub
[14:43] <BluesKaj> and watch the language , js
[14:43] <penguin42> js: Boot from a rescue disc and then mount the /, and /boot, chroot into it, mount /proc etc and then do the update?
[14:44] <penguin42> BluesKaj: He can't get as far as being able to do an update
[14:44] <exco> penguin42: ok so that's what it looks like http://twitpic.com/ikvn1
[14:44] <BluesKaj> no tty ?
[14:44] <js> penguin42: well, I only got a ubuntu 8.04 here
[14:44] <js> and that won't execute the /bin/bash of the system when trying to chroot
[14:44] <js> BluesKaj: I can't update grub when I can't boot the system :/
[14:44] <js> I'm completely locked out
[14:44] <BluesKaj> js, ok
[14:45] <GobiTheGoblin> js update grub with usb etc?
[14:45] <penguin42> exco: Tell me what I'm looking at?
[14:45] <js> is there some way to tell the kernel not to ignore init=/bin/bash?
[14:45] <exco> the two console windows show the usable space on the external monitor, penguin42
[14:45] <js> that would definitely help
[14:45]  * penguin42 blinks
[14:45] <penguin42> exco: You mean you have a gap *in the middle* ?!
[14:46] <exco> penguin42: absolutely
[14:46] <penguin42> exco: Oh freaky!
[14:46] <exco> I can move the cursor over it, but the windows just jump from one side to the other
[14:46] <penguin42> exco: Are you running devilspie?
[14:47] <js> dear ubuntu kernel, please accept init=/bin/sh :(
[14:47] <exco> penguin42: never heard of that
[14:47] <BluesKaj> js , do you have the live cd ? If so reinstall on your / using the manual paritioning option , some of your apps will be gone , but just reinstall them ,cuz the config files are still intact ...I had to do that and all was well, even the desktop was still preserved
[14:47] <penguin42> exco: ps -eaf|grep -i devilspie
[14:47] <ActionParsnip> js: you could change your default shell to /bin/sh
[14:48] <js> BluesKaj: I don't need to reinstall, just update to get the fixed package. but I got not ubuntu live cd here.
[14:48] <js> ActionParsnip: uhm, how exactly would that help if I can't even mount /?
[14:48] <js> I need to tell it to start /bin/sh of the initrd
[14:48] <exco> penguin42: does output sth
[14:48] <js> on boot it mounts the initrd and then executes the scripts
[14:48] <js> normally, init=/bin/sh would tell the kernel to run /bin/sh instead of init
[14:48] <penguin42> exco: pardon?
[14:49] <BluesKaj> oh well, enuff cooks in the kitchen , js , it's not really and install it's more like a restructuring
[14:49] <js> unfortunately, this never worked for me on ubuntu kernels (some obscure kernel patch maybe?)
[14:50] <js> BluesKaj: well, first I got not install cd and second that wouldn't be even needed -- apt-get update && apt-get upgrade would be enough
[14:50] <js> but I need to get a shell for that
[14:50] <js> which I would get on any other system by adding init=/bin/sh to the kernel options
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> js: hmm, not so sure then
[14:50] <js> however, this does not work on ubuntu :(
[14:50] <exco> penguin42: pastebin.com/d22d1b158
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> js: you could use the other system to do it until you get on your feet
[14:50] <js> ActionParsnip: which other system?
[14:51] <BluesKaj> exactly no shell, you need a live cd , download alpha 6 live cd and burn it
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> js: gentoo maybe
[14:51] <penguin42> exco: OK, so you aren't running devilspie
[14:51] <js> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/176358
[14:51] <js> this might be worth a try
[14:51] <exco> penguin42:  should I file a bug?
[14:51] <penguin42> exco: OK, well I can just suggest reporting the bug - I suspect what's happening is that the code that's supposed to stop windows going into the bit of the screen you can't see with different shape monitors is picking the wrong bit
[14:52] <vigo> js: Notebook?
[14:52] <penguin42> exco: I'd include the output of xrandr
[14:52] <js> hah, that did the trick :)
[14:52] <js> init=/bin/bash works
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> awesome :)
[14:52] <vigo> sweet
[14:53] <exco> penguin42: what's even more weird is, when I switch those windows to full screen on the external monitor - it uses a different portion of the screen so all in all I have 3 fullscreen areas on 2 monitors ;-)
[14:53] <exco> penguin42: forget that ... only one area on the right ... but still a different portion
[14:54] <penguin42> exco: Hmm another thought
[14:54] <penguin42> exco: Where are your panels or similar?
[14:54] <exco> panels are on the internal screen, penguin42
[14:55] <penguin42> exco: Does their width correspond to the width of the gap (in pixels?)
[14:55] <BluesKaj> hmm, wonder what could have caused /bin/bash to lose it's links to init ...thought they were tied together
[14:55] <JohannesSM64> why does 9.10 have both a "software store" and the old add/remove apps? what's the difference?
[14:56] <JohannesSM64> and "store" is kinda misleading if it's free
[14:56] <exco> penguin42: no, because as you can see on the picture ... both windows do extend into the laptp's screen
[14:57] <vigo> JohannesSM64, I sorta thought the same thing, then I read the thing at the top.
[14:57]  * BluesKaj looks for software store
[14:57] <JohannesSM64> at the top, where? i don't have 9.10 installed
[14:57] <penguin42> exco: OK, that's just weird!
[14:58] <debfx> is the "Tahoma" font mapped to another font?
[14:58] <penguin42> exco: can you post the output of xrandr somewhere?
[14:58] <js> hm
[14:58] <js> interesting
[14:58] <js> mount -o remount,rw / hangs :/
[14:58] <js> that really sucks
[14:59] <ActionParsnip> js: have you fsck'd the partition?
[14:59] <BluesKaj> JohannesSM64, dunno what you mean , there' no software store here on 9.10, just software sources
[14:59] <exco> penguin42: http://pastebin.com/d4a93b775
[14:59] <GobiTheGoblin> Yay, new updates =]
[15:00] <vigo> BluesKaj: There was one here yesterday, still looking...
[15:00] <js> ActionParsnip: it's definitely ok.
[15:00] <JohannesSM64> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-9-10-Alpha-6-Has-Ubuntu-Software-Store-121930.shtml
[15:00] <JohannesSM64> i don't really see the point
[15:00] <js> ActionParsnip: changing ro to rw in grub works
[15:00] <JohannesSM64> as if add/remove programs isn't easy enough
[15:00] <BluesKaj> well, i don't have it , vigo , not that it matters :)
[15:00] <penguin42> exco: All seems kind of reasonable - does it make any difference if you move the laptop screen over so it matches the left edge of the external?
[15:01] <JohannesSM64> they should improve the add/remove instead of adding a third program manager
[15:02] <ActionParsnip> JohannesSM64: yeah, looks like a reglossed synaptic, woop
[15:02] <joaopinto> JohannesSM64, they are not adding a third program manager, they are improving add/remove togother with all the other managers in a single tool
[15:02] <vigo> Is gone now, I musta wiped it with Edbuntu. or something.
[15:02] <JohannesSM64> from the screenshots i saw there's an add/remove as well as a "software store"
[15:02] <exco> penguin42: you're right, that does work (though I could swear I tried that before)
[15:03] <exco> penguin42: also does work when aligned right
[15:03] <joaopinto> JohannesSM64, yes, for now, but the plan is to have a single tool
[15:03] <JohannesSM64> oh, good
[15:03] <penguin42> exco: Weird bug - worth reporting, it sounds like something screwed up the calculation of what was supposed to be excluded
[15:03] <JohannesSM64> i don't like the name though, people will think "oh, this is where i have to start paying"
[15:04] <Pici> There is a very long discussion on the devel mailing list about the name.
[15:04] <exco> penguin42: can you reproduce it?
[15:04] <penguin42> exco: I don't think so - and as I say I have an xorg.conf that probably changes things
[15:05] <exco> penguin42: I noticed a different issue when the screen areas do work ...
[15:05] <BluesKaj> well, must be a gnome thing , don't see it on kde
[15:05] <BluesKaj> software store , that is
[15:05] <GhotiPhud> My computer is starting up in Performance CPU mode and I have to manually change it to On Demand every time.  How do I fix this?
[15:05] <exco> when I send a program to fullscreen on the internal screen ... the window bar isn't visible so I can't get back from fullscreen, penguin42
[15:06] <vigo> JohannesSM64, I agree with that 'store' part, sorta, it threw me off a bit, so I got rid of it. I do recall the GNU/GPL and other stuff on the top right.
[15:06] <penguin42> exco: What do you mean by the 'bar'? Is it hiding behind the panel?
[15:06] <exco> penguin42: the top bar with the minimize maximize close buttons
[15:07] <BluesKaj> GhotiPhud, if it's a desktop you should be happy , the cpu scaling doesn't work very well on some
[15:07] <penguin42> exco: Most full screen stuff removes that - you don't want that at the top of your film when you're watching a movie
[15:07] <GhotiPhud> It is my laptop a Thinkpad T500
[15:08] <BluesKaj> GhotiPhud, install cpufrequtils
[15:08] <exco> penguin42: I don't mean fullscreen, but maximise
[15:08] <GhotiPhud> I think this should be fixed before the next release, but I'm not sure who to tell or how to fix it
[15:08] <penguin42> exco: Ah OK, so do you have a panel at the top of the internal display?
[15:08] <exco> penguin42:  yep
[15:09] <penguin42> exco: I bet it's hiding behind that - try moving it - there's a bug in the definition of the X protocol for window managers so it doesn't really deal with bits windows aren't allowed to go
[15:09] <exco> penguin42: so that bug is already known and filed?
[15:09] <GhotiPhud> BluesKaj: what do I do after cpufrequtils?
[15:10] <Nemanja> hello
[15:10] <indus> hello think i found a bug
[15:10] <Nemanja> i have probobem for ubuntu 9.10
[15:10] <penguin42> exco: If it's the same one, yes - I'm just trying to fidn it
[15:10] <Nemanja> yes
[15:10] <indus> any devs here?
[15:10] <Nemanja> i cant start ubuntu 9.10
[15:11] <exco> indus: just start telling
[15:11] <penguin42> exco: https://bugs.launchpad.net/metacity/+bug/58977
[15:11] <indus> k
[15:11] <indus> wont boot if etho is down
[15:11] <ActionParsnip> Nemanja: ok what happens / doesnt happen
[15:11] <Nemanja> no
[15:11] <penguin42> exco: There's a patch of mine attached on there that deals with one of the cases for metacity only - it breaks compiz though - the problem is the protocol needs changing
[15:12] <indus> can anyone tell me what the project name is where i can file the bug
[15:12] <exco> penguin42: thanks - do you know what package I need to report "my" bug?
[15:12] <penguin42> exco: If you're running standard gnome without desktop effects I'd try metacity
[15:13] <exco> ok, thanks, penguin42
[15:13] <Nemanja> changed grub meni
[15:13] <Nemanja> and i cant start ubuntu
[15:14] <Nemanja> screen printing something, and we quickly disappear
[15:14] <indus> exco, wont boot if etho is down
[15:14] <ActionParsnip> Nemanja: then you will need to reinstall grub from live cd OR boot to recovery root console (if you can) and undo the changes OR boot to live CD to undo the changes
[15:14] <indus> whats the kernel package name
[15:14] <Pici> indus: 'linux'
[15:15] <exco> indus: sorry, I don't know how to go about that
[15:15] <Nemanja> and me after the screen is black
[15:15] <indus> Pici, is this a project or a package?
[15:16] <indus> search in launchpad is bad
[15:16] <Nemanja> on live cd is no problem
[15:16] <ActionParsnip> Nemanja: boot to the live cd, you wil be able to edit your partitions there
[15:16] <Pici> indus: Thats the package name that ubuntu bugs are supposed to be filed against. Remember to use ubuntu-bug packagename to report the bug
[15:16] <ActionParsnip> Nemanja: undo whatever you did
[15:16] <indus> Pici, this is a bug about system not booting,how can i file it with ubuntu-bug?
[15:17] <Nemanja>  undo whatever you did
[15:17] <indus> nvm ill figure it out
[15:17] <Nemanja> I changed nothing
[15:17] <Pici> indus: I assumed that you could re-create that it wouldnt boot with eth0 detatched by being able to boot it with it attached.
[15:17] <indus> exactly
[15:18] <indus> but on switchin on it sys link up but still wont go forward
[15:18] <indus> with router on it has no issues, happens everytime
[15:18] <indus> *says
[15:18] <Pici> indus: So if you plug it in it doesnt work?
[15:18] <indus> Pici, when i plug it in, it ays etho link up immediately, but then just stops there
[15:19] <indus> of course, router takes a min to start ,but it wont do anything later
[15:19] <indus> probably somethinh to do with recent breakage with network mnager etc
[15:19] <cwillu_at_work> anyone familiar with the bash 3.2 -> 4.0 transition?
[15:20] <indus> linux-source-2.6.31-10 is the package maybe
[15:20] <Pici> indus: I told you what the package name was.
[15:20] <Nemanja> to scren print : rulers.d.zh60
[15:20] <indus> Pici, it says,linux doesnt use launchpad to track bugs
[15:21] <indus> and the ubuntu package name is some ubuntu-linux-source or somethinh
[15:21] <cwillu_at_work> heh, that sounds like new and exciting monday morning breakage :)
[15:21] <Pici> indus: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/
[15:22] <Pici> indus: Secondly, I don't know why you think its related to eth0 being disconnected if it doesnt boot if its connected or not.
[15:22] <indus> Pici, because the system wont boot if link is down
[15:22] <indus> Pici, works fine if link is on
[15:23] <indus> it hangs at etho link down, the moment i switch router on, it says etho link up, then again says down, then hangs
[15:23] <Pici> indus: I must have misundertood then, I thought you said differently before.
[15:23] <indus> what do u suggest
[15:23] <indus> oh
[15:23] <indus> ok
[15:23] <Nemanja> how to change grub list ??
[15:24] <indus> Pici, i will select linux package, iam thinking how to attach all theinfo needed
[15:24] <Pici> indus: But I highly suggest getting the link working, booting and using ubuntu-bug to file the bug. That will attach much of the needed logs.
[15:24] <robin0800> Nemanja: /etc/default/grub then update-grub
[15:24] <indus> aah ok
[15:25] <indus> Pici, how do i start ubuntu-bug? it needs a package to collect data
[15:25] <Pici> indus: use it from the command line. in your case: ubuntu-bug linux
[15:25] <indus> aah oops
[15:25] <indus> thanks
[15:26] <indus> doing it now
[15:28] <js> this install is completely broken -.-
[15:28] <Nemanja> i am in live cd
[15:28] <js> thousands of udev warnings
[15:29] <js> and no progress after "Starting init crypto disks..."
[15:29] <indus> Pici, done dona done
[15:29] <js> hah, I don't even have something in my /etc/crypttab anymore!
[15:29] <indus> thank you
[15:29] <js> gna, i hate it!
[15:29] <Nemanja> how to edit on other particion
[15:29] <Nemanja> grub meni
[15:29] <indus> bye
[15:31] <exco> penguin42: I just keep running into new bugs ;-) when auto-hiding the panel (to make the maximized windows' top bar visible) the panel shows on the external screen
[15:31] <js> this is completely broken -.-
[15:31] <js> is there even a single package that wasn't broken by the update? I highly doubt that.]
[15:32] <penguin42> exco: Your machine is very confused!
[15:33] <exco> penguin42: ... well all of my machines ... because I don't have a single one where everything "just" works
[15:34] <penguin42> exco: Yeh; do you ever hibernate that machine?
[15:35] <js> is there some way to go back to 9.04?
[15:35] <js> 9.10 was very usable at firwst
[15:35] <penguin42> js: There is no way to go back
[15:35] <js> but now it is just 110% broken
[15:35] <exco> penguin42: Hibernating isn't working on a single one of the 4 laptops I have at hand
[15:35] <js> in the last 4 weeks it got more broken every day ;(
[15:35] <js> now so broken that it's completely unusable :(
[15:35] <penguin42> exco: It's mostly OK, but I get a problem where the two heads get mirrored during resume
[15:36] <Pici> js: The udev/upstart updates last week caused a lot of problems, but that is the sort of thing that is to be expected in an alpha release.  Either you can try to fix it yourself or reinstall.  Complaining here isn't getting anything done./
[15:36] <exco> penguin42: if I start telling my computerproblems ... you won't see the end of it
[15:39] <js> Pici: is there a way to go back to before last week?
[15:39] <Pici> js: No, I'm afraid there isn't.
[15:39] <BluesKaj>  one can lead  horse to water .....
[15:40] <penguin42> You can undo particular packages on a particular install sometimes - but it's pretty hard
[15:40] <penguin42> there are normally a whole bunch of dependencies
[15:40] <js> Pici: is there any ETA when my system might maybe boot again?
[15:41] <exco> how do I use apport-collect to submit data to an existing bug report?
[15:41] <Pici> js: I don't know, sorry :/
[15:43] <BluesKaj> js as I said before, init/boot is broken, as are some dependencies , chroot can't work, so reinstall alpha 6 on top of /  with the manual partioning option ...your data will be preserved
[15:44] <js> BluesKaj: but I will loose packages I guess, right? At least dpkg won't know about them anymore
[15:44] <js> so - would it make sense to rm -fr /usr beforehand?
[15:44] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: err, no
[15:44] <Amaranth> if init is broken you _can_ chroot
[15:44] <BluesKaj> yeah , but the config files will still be intact , si just reinstall the apps that are missing
[15:45] <BluesKaj> rm--rf usr , no!
[15:45] <exco> penguin42: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/434040 - is there a way to add xrandr  output via apport-collect?
[15:46] <js> BluesKaj: why not rm -fr /usr?
[15:46] <BluesKaj> Amaranth, ok explain to js how he can fix his problem
[15:47] <BluesKaj> -fr , never used that cmnd
[15:48]  * Amaranth is looking for guide
[15:48] <Amaranth> I know you have to mount /dev and such too
[15:48] <Amaranth> js: http://developer.spikesource.com/wiki/index.php/Article:Ubuntu_how_to_re-install_grub_using_chroot
[15:48] <Amaranth> js: but instead of the grub part you probably just want to apt-get update/upgrade
[15:48] <BluesKaj> js , i just know tha rm -rf can be a dangerous comnd
[15:48] <penguin42> exco: I don't know
[15:49] <Amaranth> js: don't do any removing or reinstalling until you've booted a live cd and tried that
[15:49] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, -rf and -fr are the same thing
[15:50] <eurythmia> BluesKaj, saying "never do X" is bad. Instead, try "when using X, be very careful, it could be dangerous."
[15:50] <js> Amaranth: uhm, I already reinstalled grub
[15:50] <BluesKaj> eurythmia, Ididn't say never do X , I said I had never done rm -rf
[15:50] <Amaranth> js: Actually read what I say
 -fr , never used that cmnd
[15:51] <js> Amaranth: and I already updated
[15:51] <js> it's still broken :(
[15:51] <Amaranth> js: In that case, broken how?
[15:51] <eurythmia> BluesKaj, are you sure you didn't say "never do X" ?
[15:52] <BluesKaj> eurythmia, yeah that means , it was never used , it doesn't mean not to ever use it.
[15:52] <js> Amaranth: thousands of udev warnings and then hangs when trying to mount the crypto disks - even though /etc/crypttab is empty
[15:52] <eurythmia> BluesKaj, ah, so you meant "s/use/used/"
[15:52] <BluesKaj> yes
[15:52] <Amaranth> js: So you don't have any crypto disks?
[15:52] <js> I have, for /home
[15:52] <natewiebe13> so did anyone have issues with the i386 alpha 6 live cd?
[15:52] <js> but I already commented that out
[15:53] <js> so I could at least boot
[15:53] <Amaranth> js: is it mentioned in fstab?
[15:53] <Amaranth> natewiebe13: Radeon HD?
[15:53] <natewiebe13> nvidia 260
[15:53] <genii> natewiebe13: Seeing as the iso is larger than a standard cd and had to burn it to a DVD, yes
[15:53] <BluesKaj> Amaranth, that tutorial is for legacy-grub , don't think it'll work for grub2
[15:53] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: I'm not trying to get him to install grub
[15:54] <natewiebe13> genii: alpha 6 fit on a cd
[15:54] <Amaranth> Does no one read what I actually say?
[15:54] <Amaranth> natewiebe13: That may be the same problem if your issue is X not starting
[15:54] <js> Amaranth: yes, it's referenced as /dev/mapper/cryptohome
[15:54] <js> which should be compltely unknown without /etc/crypttab
[15:54] <Amaranth> js: comment that out or something
[15:54] <js> will do, but doubt it'll help
[15:54] <natewiebe13> Amaranth: after the livecd menu, it says the disc is unreadable.. i did md5 checks and everything
[15:54] <Amaranth> js: you're probably hitting a bug in the mountall upstart script
[15:55] <Amaranth> natewiebe13: hmm, try burning another copy?
[15:55] <natewiebe13> so im going to try todays daily build
[15:55] <natewiebe13> Amaranth: i did, 6 times
[15:55] <js> the r, e, s, i and b keys are getting used quite often lately :/
[15:55] <Amaranth> otherwise I know there was something wrong with cdrom but I thought that was from GNOME
[15:55] <Amaranth> in any case that problem has been fixed so today's build or perhaps tomorrow's should have it
[15:56] <js> Amaranth: commented it out
[15:56] <js> still hanging at "* Starting init crypto disks... [ OK ]"
[15:56] <js> it prints ok and a newline and then hangs
[15:56] <js> ah, now I got
[15:56] <js> Cnanot create link /etc/mtab~
[15:56] <js> Perhaps there is a stale lock file?
[15:56] <js> mountall: mount / [1765] terminated with status 16
[15:57] <js> after waiting some more, I get the same message for /proc
[15:57] <penguin42> js: If it's a read-only disc you sometimes have to use -n with mount
[15:57] <js> well, it shouldn't be ro
[15:57] <Amaranth> js: hmm, some other guy has luks working fine
[15:57] <js> I can boot into single mode and fsck it
[15:57] <js> Amaranth: I'm not even running luks atm
[15:58] <Amaranth> you can boot into single user mode?
[15:58] <js> no
[15:58] <js> only if I add init=/bin/bash
[15:58] <js> so this is even below single user mode
[15:58] <js> that's more like skip-init-mode
[15:59] <Amaranth> js: you could try disabling the init script
[15:59] <Amaranth> js: you say your system is up-to-date though?
[15:59] <js> yes
[15:59] <js> added rw init=/bin/bash
[15:59] <js> and did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[15:59] <js> fs is fine, too
[15:59] <piquadrat> Hi! I have a problem with my wireless access point since I made an update a couple of days ago. I want to check with Alpha 5 if the problem is really a regression, but I can only find ISOs for Alpha 6
[15:59] <js> just xfs_check(8)'d it
[16:00] <Amaranth> you brought up the network first of course, right? :)
[16:00] <js> sure
[16:00] <js> it downloaded ~ 150 MB updates
[16:00] <js> it failed to configure them all
[16:00] <js> then I rebooted
[16:00] <js> and pressed alt-print-e on init
[16:00] <js> so I got a shell
[16:00] <js> and all stuff like /proc mounted
[16:00] <js> and then did dpkg --configure -a
[16:01] <js> to fix that
[16:02]  * Amaranth pokes at the init scripts
[16:02] <js> yup
[16:02] <js> mountall seems to be the fault
[16:02] <js> can't I just replace mountall with mount -a?
[16:04] <js> veeeery interesting
[16:05] <js> I fixed it using rm -f /etc/mtab*
[16:05] <Amaranth> js: mountall is an upstart script, your failure is in an init script that runs well after that
[16:05] <Amaranth> hmm
[16:06] <Amaranth> that's supposed to be autogenerated, no?
[16:06] <js> yes, exactly
[16:06] <js> but it did that message about mtab~, remember?
[16:06] <Amaranth> holy crap
[16:06] <js> so I wondered why there are many of those mtab~* files
[16:06] <Amaranth> your entire boot died because of a stale lock file
[16:06] <js> yes
[16:06] <js> how stupid is that?
[16:06] <js> at first I thought that can't be the reason
[16:07] <Amaranth> js: please file a bug of some kind
[16:07] <js> ok, now I got the next problem
[16:07] <js> init: upstart-udev-bridge main process (1955) terminated with status 1
[16:07] <js> when I try to mount the cryptohome
[16:07] <js> and after that it gives cryptohome (failed)
[16:07] <js> and hangs again
[16:08] <Amaranth> that sounds like the dbus fail we were getting that was fixed
[16:08] <js> hmm
[16:08] <js> I get many udev warnings on bootup
[16:08] <js> about stuff it can't parse etc.
[16:08] <js> maybe there is some old stuff somewhere?
[16:09] <js> unknown key: 'SYMLINK{unique} in /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules:$x
[16:09] <js> where x is {1..4}
[16:09] <Amaranth> that's fine
[16:09] <wastrel> i'm at work
[16:09] <js> now it booted
[16:09] <Amaranth> everyone gets that, udev changed a bit and the rules haven't been changed to match but it's just a warning
[16:09] <js> got the same message again
[16:09] <js> but this time didn't get a failed
[16:10] <Amaranth> js: One thing that may have caused the mtab lock file: some editors create foo~ files when you edit a file using them
[16:10] <js> wow, it booted - completely :)
[16:10] <js> Amaranth: yeah, but isn't there usually a rm -f /etc/mtab~ in the init script?
[16:10] <js> at least I seem to remember that some other distros have this
[16:12] <Amaranth> js: Yeah there is an mtab init script
[16:12] <Amaranth> perhaps it runs too late
[16:12] <Amaranth> I think it's meant to update mtab for things mount couldn't add since / wasn't mounted yet
[16:13] <Amaranth> js: anyway, problem fixed, curse the lock file, please file a bug :)
[16:13] <Amaranth> js: Unless you still want to pop in a live cd and reinstall? ;)
[16:14] <Amaranth> js: run `ubuntu-bug cryptsetup` since that's the package that contains the init script that was dying
[16:15] <Amaranth> js: developers involved in the boot system are asking for a bug report now :)
[16:19] <ding> any word on - erlang-base-hipe: Conflicts: erlang-base but 1:13.b.1-dfsg-2 - unmet dependencies  ?
[16:24] <floating1> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5A9BF3BB4E5E17B5
[16:24] <floating1> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[16:24] <floating1> i get that error when i run apt-get update
[16:29] <floating1> running sudo add-apt-repository ppa:oldman did import something but apt-get update still whines
[16:29] <floating1> got that command from a site
[16:36] <andresmh> for some reason I missconfigured my pidgin and now I am getting new messages pop up a new window on top of any other window I have.  Any idea how to tell pidigin to pop the new window under? Here's my libnotify settings: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/285483/tmp/screenshot55.png
[16:39] <wastrel> i have pidgin open everything in tabs in one window
[16:40] <andresmh> wastrel, yeah, i don't like the tabs, i like to get separate windows for each convo
[16:40] <andresmh> this way a simple alt+tab takes me to the convo window
[16:41] <andresmh> but in the past the window would pop underneath not on top, which is quite annoying because if i am writing something it takes over my keyboard and my screen
[16:42] <cwillu_at_work> andresmh, previous to 8.10?
[16:42] <andresmh> cwillu_at_work, no, in 9.04 alpha 1 i didn't have this problem
[16:42] <cwillu_at_work> I think the open-new-windows-above vs below got tweaked around then, which wasn't a 100% fix
[16:43] <cwillu_at_work> you might be a casualty :p
[16:43] <andresmh> i see someone else reporting it http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=172173
[16:43] <cwillu_at_work> andresmh, yes, but did you _also_ get the bug in earlier versions of ubuntu, or is 9.04 also around when you started using pidgin this way?
[16:44] <andresmh> cwillu_at_work, 9.04 alpha 5 is when i started getting the problem
[16:44] <cwillu_at_work> sorry, jaunty alpha 5?
[16:44] <andresmh> karmic
[16:44] <cwillu_at_work> that's 9.10, not 9.04
[16:44] <andresmh> oops
[16:44] <andresmh> sorry
[16:45] <andresmh> but i am not sure if it was my fault while tweaking something or if it's how karmic alpha 5 behaved out of the box
[16:45] <cwillu_at_work> could always create a new user to test
[16:45] <andresmh> cwillu_at_work, new ubuntu user?
[16:45] <cwillu_at_work> on your computer, yes
[16:46] <cwillu_at_work> I'm also curious though if an older version of ubuntu (8.10 or earlier) exhibited the same problem
[16:46] <andresmh> or perhaps i could delete the pdig config ?
[16:46] <cwillu_at_work> nah
[16:46] <cwillu_at_work> just make a new user, you'll know for sure if it's a config problem or a app problem
[16:46] <cwillu_at_work> you won't know if you just remove one setting at a time (too many settings to go through)
[16:46] <andresmh> ok, creating new user
[16:47] <cwillu_at_work> creating a new user cuts out half the possibilities, with absolute certainty
[16:48] <andresmh> ok, let me log out of this user, brb
[16:52] <andresmh> cwillu_at_work, pidgin behaved in the same way on a new user: the new window gained focus
[16:52] <cwillu_at_work> ubuntu-bug pidgin, and fill in the details
[16:52] <cwillu_at_work> we know for a fact that it's a change in the app, you're not just crazy :)\
[16:53] <floating1> trying to install chromium to ubuntu, but i can't get the gpg key
[16:55] <andresmh> ok, i might just say goodbye to pidgin and hello to empathy
[16:56] <floating1> say hello to bitlbee
[16:57] <Pici> floating1: The keyserver has been having some issues lately. You may need to try the command a few times to get it to successfully pull the key without timing out.
[16:58] <floating1> i keep trying...
[17:00] <andresmh> empathy is nicer :)
[17:00] <floating1> on the meanwhile, I could ask about the performance (on intel) .. on alpha3 performance felt good, now on alpha6 it feels laggy. like if i previously had more than 1 tab on terminal, switching between those was fast, now it is laggy. ..also switching to firefox, or going through some settings at xfce windows feels laggy
[17:01] <floating1> i wonder what i could try
[17:03] <bipolar> Anyone know why the netbook remix iso is so huge? A6 is 792MB.
[17:04] <Pici> bipolar: iirc, its an .img file, not an .iso, and meant to be put on a usb flash drive instead of burned to a cd.
[17:04] <bipolar> Pici: no, it's a .iso
[17:04] <bipolar> unless the file is misnamed
[17:04] <Pici> bipolar: Is there an 'OVERSIZED' file nearby?
[17:04] <bipolar> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/karmic/alpha-6/
[17:04] <bipolar> nope
[17:05] <bipolar> I'm burning it to a DVD now... I'll let you know if it works :P
[17:06] <floating1> ok, I got the key now after 5 tries
[17:06] <Pici> bipolar: hm, odd.
[17:15] <bipolar> Pici: the disk boots at least. I'm running the install now on an eee 1000he
[17:16] <mrmcq2u_> will the ati driver receive any updates in karmic? the xorg-edgers ppa fixes the dri2 issues currently in the karmic builds
[17:17] <genii> d_: For dyndns and others like it, package ez-ipupdate
[17:18] <genii> Sorry, wrong channel
[17:19] <Mike1> good old problem: how do i add a 800x600px resolution?
[17:19] <Mike1> tried a modeline in xorg.conf but output of xrandr or Xorg.0.log didn’t change
[17:19] <Mike1> does Karmic still read a xorg.conf if it exists?
[17:20] <penguin42> Mike1: Yes
[17:20] <penguin42> Mike1: What res do you get and do you know why?
[17:21] <Mike1> i get the 1024x600 which are native for my netbook (and 640x480 is availabe too), but i want the 800x600 for games
[17:21] <wastrel> netbooks
[17:21] <penguin42> Mike1: Nod
[17:22] <penguin42> Mike1: I think you should be able to do it using xrandr --newmode followed by --addmode for the display
[17:22] <penguin42> Mike1: Although I would love to know an easier way
[17:26] <Mike1> penguin42: works :-)
[17:27] <penguin42> Mike1: Did you have to give the whole mode data for the size?
[17:27] <penguin42> Mike1: You would hope there was still a mode table somewhere to pick it up?
[17:27] <Mike1> penguin42: just generated one :-)
[17:28] <Mike1> man xrandr is really great
[17:28] <Mike1> is there some way to avoid stretching or force apps into window mode?
[17:29] <Mike1> 800x600 looks ugly on a 16:9 screen with 1024x600
[17:37] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[17:38] <burner> yay, my sound works again!
[17:42] <ActionParsnip> 64bit java rocks
[17:43] <Mike1> penguin42: is it possible to save the xrandr stuff somewhere?
[17:44] <penguin42> Mike1: Not that I've found - it would be great to be able to associate them with the same gui that does the configure monitors; my problem is that for unknown reason my external monitor doesn't autodiscover so I have to do the same thing (although I do it with an xorg.conf)
[17:45] <Mike1> funny thing, my panel moved to the top due to the res-change xD
[17:45] <penguin42> Mike1: panels move around under their own steam a lot - it's very annoying
[17:46] <penguin42> sometimes you just want to glue them to the position where they belong
[17:46] <penguin42> it gets quite random if you sometimes have the 2nd head and sometimes don't - e.g. on a laptop where you disconnect
[17:49] <Mike1> i just put the required xrandr commands in a script and make it execute on start
[17:51] <penguin42> Mike1: yeh, it's just dying to have an easier way
[18:14] <Mike1> penguin42: found a german howto for “static” xrandr settings
[18:15] <penguin42> Mike1: Ah cool - what's the answer?
[18:15] <Mike1> though its also just with a X-startupscript
[18:15] <Mike1> they create a
[18:15] <Mike1> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/45custom_xrandr-settings
[18:16] <Mike1> and fill it with: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/RandR#Statische-Konfiguration-ohne-xorg-conf
[18:16] <exco> someone around who feels like getting my mic to work ;-)
[18:16] <penguin42> Mike1: OK
[18:17] <exco> Realtek ALC262 - Mic not working on Vaio P
[18:17] <penguin42> Mike1: Hmm there are lots  of random stuff in that directory!
[18:20] <ActionParsnip> exco: can you run: lspci | grep -i audio
[18:20] <exco> ActionParsnip: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation System Controller Hub (SCH Poulsbo) HD Audio Controller (rev 06)
[18:21] <penguin42> can anyone with a fresh Karmic install tell me if they have /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40guidance-displayconfig_restore ?
[18:21] <ActionParsnip> exco: can you pastebin the output of: sudo lshw -C sound
[18:21] <ActionParsnip> penguin42: no, i dont have it
[18:22] <exco> me neither, penguin42
[18:22] <penguin42> intersting - I wonder where it came from on mine
[18:23] <penguin42> ah - it's a relic from kde
[18:23] <ActionParsnip> penguin42: http://pastebin.com/f7c7c3167
[18:25] <penguin42> ActionParsnip: Thanks - http://pastebin.com/m312a1309
[18:25] <penguin42> I seem to have some left over stuff
[18:25] <exco_> ActionParsnip: need to reboot that Vaio ...
[18:25] <ActionParsnip> penguin42: looks like it, mines a clean install 2 weeks ago
[18:26] <penguin42> hmm that file was actually from a kde package I'd removed (probably yonks ago) - purging it cleaned it out
[18:28]  * penguin42 purges all the other uninstalled packages he has
[18:31] <penguin42> this will either fix load of weird bugs or completely destroy it
[18:34] <floating1> how to debug following: screen freezes. mouse moves and works, but everything has frozen. the clock is not moving etc, switching to tty1, ctrlaltdel,ctrlaltbackspace dont work
[18:35] <penguin42> does it ping?
[18:35] <floating1> how to see that ?
[18:36] <penguin42> from another machine on your network if you have one
[18:37] <floating1> I have... but I have not set up a network though
[18:38] <penguin42> nod
[18:38] <floating1> ah, it pings like this mkay.. I'll test that when it happens next time
[18:39] <penguin42> you could also see if alt-sysrq etc does anything
[18:41] <mezquitale> anyone knows how to manually configure a wireless nic??  I am unable to configure my wireless with network applet
[18:42] <penguin42> I think the command is iwconfig, but I've never don eit
[18:42] <lozban> mezquitale: iwconfig and iwlist are the two commands you'll need
[18:43] <floating1> sysrq hmm.. if I press alt+Print SCreen/SysRq button button now, it gives me the chance to save the screenshot of desktop.. I actually don't know the function of this SysRq
[18:44] <penguin42> floating1: Really? It can't be that broken if it's giving you that much
[18:45] <floating1> yeah, now it is working after I rebooted.. But I doubt anything will happen when I press it when it has frozen again
[18:47] <penguin42> floating1: if it does it again try alt-sysrq-t  (info on all tasks to the logs). alt-sysrq-u (unmount all) alt-sysrq-s (sync) alt-sysrq-b (forceful reboot) - if it responds to that it means it's not completely dead
[18:47] <exco_> ActionParsnip: http://pastebin.com/d1d3b696d
[18:47] <floating1> hmm ok, I'll do that
[18:48] <ActionParsnip> exco_: how abous lspci | grep -i audio
[18:49] <exco_> ActionParsnip: will take another few minutes (doublechecking in win if the mic is working)
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> hey all is there a 64bit adobe acrobat reader?
[19:24] <exco1> ActionParsnip: $ lspci | grep -i audio
[19:24] <exco1> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation System Controller Hub (SCH Poulsbo) HD Audio Controller (rev 06)
[19:24] <exco1> ActionParsnip: I have 2 Microphones listed in Input but there's just noise on both
[19:25] <ActionParsnip> !intelhda
[19:25] <exco_> ActionParsnip: been there done that
[19:26] <ActionParsnip> thats all i really knw duder, is it in a laptop?
[19:26] <exco_> yep, ActionParsnip
[19:26] <ActionParsnip> exco: what make and model?
[19:27] <exco_> ActionParsnip: it's a Vaio P (P11z)
[19:28] <exco_> the howto seems outdated ... there's now no ALC260 mentioned in the ALSA-configuration.txt (and no ALC262)
[19:30] <ActionParsnip> exco_: Add this line to /etc/modporbe.d/alsa-base, options snd-hda-intel model=3stack
[19:30] <ActionParsnip> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=677746
[19:30] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, this may help , altho there is no 64bit reader yet:  http://www.ossramblings.com/acrobat_reader_crashes_in_linux_with_firefox
[19:31] <exco_> shame on me ... I should have found that thread ... I'll give it a try, ActionParsnip
[19:31] <exco_> btw is bluetooth borked atm?
[19:33] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: the 32bit one seems to run, probably uses ia32-lib
[19:34] <penguin42> acroread doesn't seem to be as broken as it once was - at one point it used to eat the worlds entire ram
[19:36] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, yeah , I suspect so.
[19:38] <BluesKaj> penguin42,  acroread doesn't seem to be available in the repos for 64 bit systems
[19:39] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Hmm pesky - the 32bit one should run with the ia32-libs
[19:39] <BluesKaj> maybe as open source
[19:43] <BluesKaj> looking at a binary adobe reader for linux here : http://get.adobe.com/reader/thankyou/?installer=Reader_9.1.2_English_for_Linux_%28.bin%29
[19:44] <nperry> I'm getting some very ugly messages about udev symlinks when I boot, any idea which log i could find this in please?
[19:45] <Ian_> lol irssi segfaults :(
[19:45] <penguin42> nperry: The %K one ?
[19:45] <nperry> Yes penguin42
[19:46] <nperry> Can't seem to find them in log files so i can see if bug has been reported
[19:46] <penguin42> nperry: Yeh it has
[19:46] <nperry> Got a bug number please?
[19:49]  * penguin42 tries to find it
[19:50] <penguin42> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/433825
[19:50] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, does okular work on pdf on your setup ?
[19:50] <nperry> Ahhhh thanks!
[19:51] <exco_> ActionParsnip: model=3stack doesn't change anything noticeable ... still just noise
[19:56] <nperry> Ah just noticed firefox is now called firefox not shirefox or whatever it is!
[19:56] <nemo> nperry: what's your UA string?
[19:57] <Pici> It was shitetoko
[19:57] <a1fa> arghhh.. x.org keeps freezing up in 9.10
[19:57] <nemo> Pici: shiretoko
[19:57] <nperry> My full one is now Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.3) Gecko/20090915 Ubuntu/9.10 (karmic) Firefox/3.
[19:57] <Pici> nemo: er, right. Mistype actually.
[19:57] <nemo> Pici: but I'm a bit puzzled since that should have changed a loooong time ago
[19:57] <nperry> 5.3
[19:57] <nperry> Missed abit on the end
[19:57] <a1fa> no warning what so ever.. it just hangs
[19:57] <Pici> nemo: Branding issues in 9.04
[19:58] <a1fa> mouse works fine.. but everything is locked up
[19:58] <nemo> Pici: 3.5.x was in 9.04 ?
[19:58] <nemo> howzat?
[19:58] <Pici> !ff35
[19:58] <nemo> ah
[19:58] <nemo> I just installed manually in 9.04
[19:59] <nemo> I guess that's why I didn't notice.
[19:59] <a1fa> Has anyone reported freeze up issues?
[20:02] <a1fa> is kde going to be the default manager in 9.10?
[20:02] <funkyHat> When fsck runs on boot my system appears to be hanged. Is this because I have out of date boot settings, or is it a bug?
[20:02] <exco_> funkyHat: bug
[20:03] <a1fa> disregard my last question
[20:03] <funkyHat> exco_: is it already reported?
[20:03] <exco_> funkyHat: are you referring to the date in the future issue?
[20:04] <funkyHat> exco_: the issue I'm having appears to be that fsck is not displaying progress (I believe when usplash started displaying fsck's progress it didn't get printed to the normal boot messages or something, maybe that hasn't been reverted)
[20:05] <funkyHat> exco_: it says "xxx has been mounted 35 without being checked, forcing check" or something like that, then I get no output for the whole of the check, then boot continues normally
[20:05] <piquadrat> Hi! Since a couple of days, I can't connect to my wireless ap anymore. In an Alpha 5 live session, everythink works. dmesg says 'disassociating by local choice (reason=3)'. Any ideas?
[20:05] <exco_> funkyHat: don't know if that's a known issue
[20:06] <exco_> piquadrat: ath9k ?
[20:06] <funkyHat> exco_: I don't know if it's an issue at all, it could just be some setting I changed and forgot about that's causing it
[20:06] <mikefletcher> I am trying to boot Alpha 6 into text mode (debugging an X problem).  However the 'text' bootup option doesn't work any more.  What package should get this bug?
[20:07] <exco_> funkyHat: well fsck is forced every 35 mounts according to your settings - don't know what the standard is since I also tweaked that number
[20:07] <piquadrat> exco_: no, Intel (Centrino 2, I can'r remember code name of the wlan chip itself right now)
[20:08] <exco_> funkyHat: there should be some output telling you everything is alright - I think
[20:08] <piquadrat> ah, here it is: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN
[20:10] <piquadrat> I searched on google for that error msg I get, but the results all seem to be related to jaunty (and none has a solution for the problem)
[20:15] <piquadrat> hmm, would it be possible to revert my installation to the state of Alpha 5 without doing a clean install? or at least packages related to wlan (like kernel, wpa_supplicant, network-manager, ...)
[20:15] <m_tadeu> hi...does anyone know how to resize the facebook plasmoid? because it goes back to it's original size on each login
[20:19] <a1fa> la lala lala xorg uscks :(
[20:25] <funkyHat> exco_: there is normally output telling me about the progress of fsck, there is just nothing at the moment.
[20:25]  * exco_ joins in ... lalalal acl262 sucks
[20:26] <DanaG> weird... my computer just randomly went into sleep, for no apparent reason.
[20:26] <a1fa> anybody else having issues with xorg?
[20:28] <Martyn> Is there a dpkg in the repositories for gcc-3.6 still for Karmic?
[20:29] <Martyn> Or has support for 3.6 been completely dropped?  I have a lot of packages that have gcc 3.6 dependencies, and they are breaking all over the place.   Since I don't have control over the source of those packages, I think I'll need to build a full gcc-3.6 toolchain (multilib on 64bit) to make them work.
[20:30] <exco_> atm I'm so happy I have a wwan card built-in ...
[20:32] <danage> anyone here working on home folder encryption? i have a serious bug to report but dunno how to fetch the necessary information and which pakage to attach it to
[20:34] <Martyn> Oooo!
[20:35] <Martyn> the system boot graphics update went well .. I don't know how I feel about the plain brown wrapper...
[20:35] <penguin42> Martyn: If your really stuck I'd build them on older ubuntus
[20:38] <vallhalla81> hello and a good evening to one and all i am having trouble getting Compositing to work on my system in both kde4 and gnome my drivers seem fully installed for my nvidia card can any advise please thank you in advance
[20:52] <hggdh> Every time I shutdown -r, on restart one of my filesystems is considered to be in error, and a fsck is forced on it. Anyone seeing somethingg like it?
[21:00] <lancifer> I have an issue with static in my sound, found out the master volume is adjusting the PCM at the same time. Is there a way to lock the PCM at 100% and just use the master?
[21:00] <ActionParsnip> hggdh: boot to recovery root console or livecd and fsck your partitions (make sure they get umountd first)
[21:01] <vallhalla81> hello and a good evening to one and all i am having trouble getting Compositing to work on my system in both kde4 and gnome my drivers seem fully installed for my nvidia card can any advise please thank you in advance
[21:03] <hggdh> ActionParsnip: already done. Still, it fails on reboot
[21:04] <hggdh> anyway, a fsck is auto-run on reboot...
[21:04] <funkyHat> Oooh new sound stuff is cool
[21:04] <duffydack> lancifer, wish I knew.  mine adjusts master, master mono a little depending how much I adjust master, and pcm does what it pleases...
[21:05] <duffydack> I want the old volume control/mixer back
[21:05] <ActionParsnip> hggdh: you can use better options in livecds
[21:05] <lancifer> duffyduck> +1 to that
[21:06] <funkyHat> lancifer: you should file a bug about your soundcard against pulseaudio(I think)
[21:06] <hggdh> ActionParsnip: ?? fsck is fsck, either done here or on livecd
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> hggdh: true but the autocheck might not have autofixing enabled might it?
[21:08] <ActionParsnip> hggdh: the fsck may justy tel you there are errors and do nothing, and as you habvent manually ran it the errors dont get fixed
[21:08] <hggdh> ActionParsnip: if auto check fails, you get a warning, and a request to run fsck -f
[21:09] <hggdh> I am starting to consider some other weird error; am running now a fsck -c
[21:12] <hggdh> but I am sure it will not find a backblock... oh the joys of ext4...
[21:13] <duffydack> I get dumped to a shell after installation of alpha6 telling me to run fsck.  I do and reboot and it boots
[21:13] <hggdh> duffydack: every time, or just the first?
[21:14] <duffydack> first boot from instal
[21:14] <duffydack> install*
[21:14] <xnguard> Can someone help me compact / reindex / optimize / makegofaster my package database?  I added most of the Karmic sources to test the newer kernel (and other stuff), removed the sources, and now dpkg / dselect / apt / apt-* / aptitude / Synaptic are deadly slow every time they have to re-fetch the pkg database from disk.
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> hggdh: could wipe the partition after backup then restore the data back
[21:15] <hggdh> ActionParsnip: this is an option, yes. It is not a big FS, just about 20G
[21:16] <Martyn> penguin42: Building on older ubuntu's will not solve the problem for people who will be using Karmic in the real world
[21:16] <Martyn> a lot of this software is CAD/CAM (slow release schedule) as well as chip manufacturing RTL and simulation systems
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> xnguard: try: http://pastebin.com/dc2de719
[21:16] <hggdh> duffydack: did you do a clean install, or upgraded?
[21:16] <freaknl> Does anyone have any luck with 802.1x network authentication on Karmic?
[21:16] <Martyn> they depend on 'quirks' of a given compiler chain.   I'll have to find a way to build gcc-3.6 / 32 and 64 bit (multilib) and possibly re-create the package.
[21:17] <xnguard> ActionParsnip: Thanks for the pointer.  I go now, to my doom.
[21:17] <Martyn> I'm wondering why support for 3.6 was dropped though.  It's always a good idea to have an earlier toolchain kicking around
[21:17] <duffydack> hggdh, clean
[21:17] <hggdh> interesting. How many partitions you have?
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> xnguard: failing that: http://pastebin.com/d2da37910
[21:18] <duffydack> hggdh, 1 root and a shared swap with jaunty.
[21:18] <Martyn> ughh
[21:18] <xnguard> ActionParsnip: Noted.  Thanks again.
[21:18] <Martyn> downloading alpha-6, and trying for a clean install
[21:18] <Martyn> grub-2 is a PITA
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> Martyn: +a million!!
[21:18] <Martyn> so much has to be re-discovered now, or fixed
[21:18] <duffydack> hggdh, there isnt a problem anymore, was just that instance.  as far as installs go, alpha 5 was cleaner.. so I`d probably do that next time IF i do, and update it.
[21:18] <Martyn> most of the modern dell hardware absolutely doesn't boot
[21:19] <xnguard> ActionParsnip: ...is this first one going to actually destroy anyone I know or care about, or require interaction on my part?
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> Martyn: i'm on the verge of installing lilo. Everything is so much easier
[21:19] <hggdh> duffydack: I guess so. One occurrence, no repeats...
[21:19] <Martyn> ActionParsnip: I install grub
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> xnguard: no it just gets things back on track
[21:19] <Martyn> and skip grub-2
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> xnguard: it helped here: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/81704
[21:19] <xnguard> ActionParsnip: *deep breath* Here goes.
[21:20] <ActionParsnip> xnguard: the apt-get update will recreate teh files
[21:20] <Martyn> but the //offical// CD installer only supports grub-2 (and I understand _why_ ) but I don't agree that a CD shouldn't support the older mechanism
[21:20] <Martyn> ActionParsnip: I like that grub, unlike lilo, allows for live editing of the menu.lst
[21:20] <Martyn> ActionParsnip: I always hated the requirment in lilo that it had to update the boot sector to locate the kernel on the disk
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> Martyn: true, i always boot to root recovery to edit, then i know changes are permanent rather than trying to remember what I did ;)
[21:21] <Martyn> even u-boot these days can -find- the kernel and ramdisk images by doing an ext or fat16/fat32 filesystem search
[21:21] <xnguard> ActionParsnip: Hm.  It doesn't appear to have eaten my brain meats or taken over the world.  I guess I'll find out if it worked next time I manage to knock the package database out of cache.
[21:21] <Martyn> sloooow download of alpha-6
[21:21] <Martyn> 18k/sec right now
[21:21] <Martyn> I think I'll need to torrent it
[21:21] <xnguard> Martyn: Download it via a torrent, and speed up everyone? :D
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> Martyn: what speed connection do you have?
[21:22] <duffydack> shall I stop my 850k/s download and speed it up for evreryone lol
[21:23] <xnguard> duffydack: Only if you're a masochist?
[21:23] <duffydack> actually, I might try a daily next time I try it out
[21:25] <Martyn> ActionParsnip: 155Mbit/sec
[21:25] <duffydack> I`ll grab 1 in a week or so and see if anything is better.  not impressed with sound one bit tho.. thats gonna be the deciding factor wether I use it or not
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> Martyn: yowser, 18k/s sucks then
[21:25] <Martyn> ActionParsnip: Torrents are traffic shaped at the firewall to 5Mbit/sec upload
[21:25] <Martyn> Yes they are
[21:25] <Martyn> Yes it is, rather
[21:26] <Martyn> So, I'll swtich to torrent and see if things improve
[21:26] <Martyn> and open 64 streams, 16 for upload
[21:26]  * xnguard reminds himself he really needs to get transmission-daemon working on his services machine.
[21:27] <Freak_NL> Hmm.. I think 802.1x networking is broken in network-manager, but I can't file a bug because there is also a rogue DHCP server on my local network... :(
[21:27] <Freak_NL> Nobody uses 802.1x in Karmic?
[21:27] <xnguard> Freak_NL: I'm running a horrible Jaunty/Karmic abomination here, and using the NM PPA.
[21:28] <Freak_NL> 802.1x auth works?
[21:29] <floating1> penguin42: it froze again. First I pinged the ip from other pc in network and it pinged it in <1ms, after that i did alt+sysrq+t couple times without effect, then same with alt+sysrq+u, then alt+sysrq+s then alt+sysrq+b , when it did react by rebooting right away.  you mentioned logs with alt-sysrq-t, which logs could i look at ?
[21:36] <blueglasses> I want to start a new project called USing - universal sender is not a goal, which is a universal sender to twitter, msn, livejournal, etc via post, anyone with or without experience  interested in helping me?
[21:38] <nhasian> gnome 2.28 stuff started appearing today in my update-manager
[21:39] <Martyn> blueglasses : Tell you what, you write some code and check it in to google code .. and once you have a skeleton of working code, I'll join it.
[21:40] <leftyfb> how can I boot my previous kernel with his new grub? Also, for some reason my entire root is only mounting read only now. After updates today.
[21:40] <Martyn> (or sourceforge, or whatever source repository control you like -- like github)
[21:40] <leftyfb> %s/his/this/
[21:40] <blueglasses> Martyn, why not on lauchpad?
[21:41] <Martyn> sure, like I said .. use your favorite :)
[21:45] <histo> Does anyone have the software store they are talking about on the testng page?
[21:45] <histo> I can't find it under system anyware
[21:48] <leftyfb> ok, this latest round of updates since Friday have hosed my system
[21:49] <JEEBsv> I hosed mine on friday as well, but updating my system today after re-installation from a daily CDISO went pretty well
[21:51]  * BUGabundo waves o/
[21:54] <lupine_85> nargle, quassel win
[21:56] <dupondje> Somebody knows if there are programms to sync Android Phone with Linux (Sunbird/Thunderbird)
[22:00] <penguin42> floating1: In your logs (/var/log/messages and friends) you should find there are backtraces just about the time you did the reboot
[22:00] <js> Amaranth: filed.
[22:01] <Amaranth> js: yay
[22:01] <BUGabundo> wow that's a lot of updates for 24h
[22:01] <Amaranth> js: did you use ubuntu-bug?
[22:01] <penguin42> dupondje: I'd look to see if there is anything in opensync for it
[22:01] <BUGabundo> this devs rest on the weekend and then release it all on Monday
[22:02] <mezquitale> how do you configure the new grub so that it boots up xp and jaunty?
[22:03] <BUGabundo> mezquitale: update-grub ??
[22:03] <duffydack> Menopausal Minx
[22:04] <mezquitale> BUGabundo, yes but I don't see the menu.lst in /boot/grub
[22:04] <leftyfb> mezquitale: /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[22:04] <Amaranth> duffydack: Manic Monkey
[22:04] <Amaranth> if this LTS gets pushed back 2 months that name will fit even better
[22:05] <mezquitale> so now they put the config file in "grub.cfg"???  they should symlink it for historical purposes
[22:05] <Amaranth> mezquitale: You shouldn't touch that file
[22:05] <Amaranth> mezquitale: update-grub completely wipes it out every time it runs
[22:05] <mezquitale> Amaranth, ok so how am I supposed to multi boot with xp and jaunty??
[22:06] <Amaranth> mezquitale: if running update-grub doesn't say it found XP file a bug, os-prober should have found it
[22:07] <mezquitale> The installation on ubuntustudio forces me to update my grub,  xp and jaunty are not in the menu when karmic boots up, should I run os-prober or should I just run update-grub?
[22:09] <mezquitale> Amaranth, I ran update-grub and it looks like it found it, let me reboot and see if I get I can boot up to xp and jaunty
[22:11] <guja> hello all. I had 9.04 and just upgraded to 9.10. when grub shows, I have two kernels, I choose .31 but Ubuntu wont start.
[22:12] <guja> I get all kinds of (something in front)$SYMLINK-like errors.
[22:12] <guja> and screen goes black.
[22:12] <guja> when choose .28 kernel I get same thing except screen is okay.
[22:12] <guja> i see promt.
[22:13] <guja> any ideas what's wrong?
[22:13] <Freak_NL> udev messages
[22:13] <Freak_NL> I get them too
[22:14] <Freak_NL> no idea what's wrong though
[22:14] <BUGabundo> guja: yeah the uved is know
[22:14] <BUGabundo> the screen prob a kms mode setting you have
[22:14] <BUGabundo> let me guess ATI?
[22:14] <guja> Intel.
[22:15] <BUGabundo> strange
[22:15] <BUGabundo> try renaming yoiur xorg.conf
[22:15] <BUGabundo> and reconfigure X
[22:15] <guja> i can do that only under .28 kernel.
[22:15] <guja> and rename it to what?
[22:16] <BUGabundo> guja: you should be able to do it on .31 recovery too
[22:17] <BUGabundo> guja: just rename to a backup file
[22:17] <BUGabundo> incase you later want to restore it
[22:17] <guja> okay, so save xorg.conf to xorg.conf-bak and how to reconfigure?
[22:23] <afv> hi, i'm getting a segmentation fault at firefox (daily), when opening an email into gmail and clicking, for example, at "archive" button.. is this the right channel to ask for some help? :p
[22:24] <afv> i get this:
[22:24] <afv> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[22:24] <afv> 0x00a34a9a in IA__g_type_check_instance_cast (type_instance=0xa88f40c0, iface_type=3083413296) at /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.21.6/gobject/gtype.c:3729
[22:24] <afv> 3729	/build/buildd/glib2.0-2.21.6/gobject/gtype.c: No such file or directory.
[22:24] <afv> 	in /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.21.6/gobject/gtype.c
[22:24] <mezquitale> OK now I can boot into XP, however update-grub is not detecting jaunty.  I have a "/boot" partition for jaunty and "/" is in another partition, how can I configure the new grub so that it boots from the partition with "/boot"???
[22:25] <tormod> mezquitale, if grub is also installed on the jaunty boot partition, chain-loading is the easiest
[22:26] <mezquitale> tormod, I have a "/boot" partition and everything is in there,  it looks like update-grub detected it, let me restart my machine and see if I can boot up to jaunty
[22:30] <histo> ugh my grub is so messed up now it won't timeout to default boot for somereason no matter what I tell it.
[22:36] <mezquitale> ok update-grub finds jaunty but it still does not appear in the menu choices.  To boot jaunty I installed a "/boot" partition and "/" in another partition.  Is it possible to boot into jaunty using the new GRUB with karmic?
[22:47] <dto> i uploaded some files to my Ubuntu One account through the web interface. now I am trying the ubuntuone client program (it was crashing before this latest update) and it seems to be ok, but it's not downloading the files from Ubuntu One to my folder.
[22:48] <dto> they're still up on the site, but not in the local folder.
[22:53] <dto> btw i like the new login splash.
[22:58] <mezquitale> anyone has any ideas on how I can add jaunty to my menu when karmic boots up?  I have a "/boot" partition for jaunty and "/" is stored in another partition
[23:01] <pgoetz> I've been configuring the dovecot-postfix package on a 9.10 server system and have noticed a few problems...
[23:02] <proq> hi.  when was karmic koala alpha 6 released?  I don't see a release date
[23:02] <pgoetz> in particular, postfix seems not to be aware of rsyslog and ingores  /etc/rsyslogd.conf
[23:04] <BUGabundo> !schedule | proq
[23:04] <tormod> mezquitale, you keep asking the same question. it is a bug if os-prober does not find your jaunty partition. can you chainload to the boot partition?
[23:05] <sparr> Can someone try to duplicate a bug for me?  Warning, this will likely result in you needing to restart X at best, reboot at worst.
[23:06] <penguin42> sparr: Yes, since I need to reboot in a min anyway
[23:06] <sparr> penguin42: ok, first of all, when I tell you what to do, to un-do it you will need to press ctrl+alt+F7 and then ctrl+c.  remember that, since you won't be able to get back without it
[23:07] <mezquitale> tormod, i am trying what people have suggested with limited success.  I ran update-grub and then windows XP was added to the menu but I am having trouble booting up into jaunty, should I run "os-prober"???  How do you "chainload""? I am reading a huge manual on grub right now
[23:07] <penguin42> sparr: an interesting combination
[23:07] <sparr> penguin42: open a terminal and do "sudo startx -- -logverbose 6 :1", then wait for either a working second copy of X to open, or to get stuck at a black screen.  do what I said above, then tell me which result you got
[23:08] <tormod> mezquitale, os-prober is part of grub2, it is run by update-grub. chainload is a grub command.
[23:08] <penguin42> sparr: So an interesting question would be why you would expect that to work
[23:08] <tormod> mezquitale, basically, set root to the right partition, then "chainloader +1"
[23:09] <penguin42> sparr: I'd expect if you do a startx from a 2nd terminal it should work, but from within an existing X I don't see why it should
[23:09] <sparr> penguin42: "sudo startx -- :1" works fine.  the :1 means "open another copy of X, on a different virtual terminal, and make it the second display"
[23:09] <penguin42> sparr: No it doesn't
[23:10] <sparr> no it doesn't work?
[23:10] <penguin42> sparr: The :1 means run it on port 6001 as Display :1
[23:10] <sparr> yes, and display :1 is the second display
[23:10] <penguin42> sparr: It doesn't specify anything about the console it's bound to
[23:10] <sparr> good point...  im not actually sure how it picks the console
[23:11] <penguin42> sparr: I'd say that's the parent console - now if you were to log in on another VC and then do that I'd hope it would work
[23:11] <mezquitale> tormod, can you guide me on how to do that?  I have "/boot" in partition /dev/sda2 and "/" in "/dev/sda6"
[23:11] <sparr> penguin42: "sudo startx -- :1" works fine
[23:11] <sparr> penguin42: it's the addition of the logging option that breaks it, which is what I am trying to confirm and then investigate
[23:12] <penguin42> sparr: OK, so what do you expect the -logverbose to be passed to?
[23:13] <sparr> penguin42: the X server
[23:13] <sparr> it is, in theory, supposed to cause more data to be output to /var/log/Xorg.1.log
[23:13] <penguin42> sparr: In that case I think it has to go after the --
[23:13] <sparr> penguin42: yes, did I typo it?
[23:13] <penguin42> ah which you did say
[23:14] <tormod> mezquitale, that should be "set root=(hd0,2)" and "chainloader +1"
[23:14] <sparr> the results I am seeing are very very freaky
[23:14] <penguin42> sparr: What do you see?
[23:14] <sparr> I see a blank black screen, then back to a text terminal, on VT8.  on VT7 (which is still :0) I see a solid white screen, until I hit ctrl+c (to kill the :1 Xorg process, which still has keyboard focus), then I see an infinite number of copies of Nautilus opening.
[23:15] <penguin42> that's impressive
[23:15] <mezquitale> tormod, ok so I should put that in grub.cfg?
[23:15] <tormod> you could, but it would be lost at next update-grub...
[23:15] <penguin42> sparr: Do you mind if I try it from a 2nd VC ?
[23:15] <sparr> when I do "sudo startx -- -logverbose 6 :1" from a text console, the same thing happens on VT8, and in the text console I see a repeating line (at approximately the same rate as nautilus opens in the other experiment) about an invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE
[23:16] <penguin42> sparr: Hmm
[23:16] <sparr> and that console does not respond to ctrl+c
[23:16] <sparr> well, it does, it just outputs "^C" and keeps going
[23:16] <penguin42> sparr: There are some confusions here
[23:16] <penguin42> sparr: First of all why are you doing the sudo?  you should be able to do a startx as yourself
[23:17] <tormod> mezquitale, see http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m5894e874
[23:17] <sparr> penguin42: oddly, previously I was able to startx as myself.  recently:
[23:17] <sparr> X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
[23:17] <sparr> xinit:  Server error.
[23:17] <tormod> mezquitale, but you can also try this out on the grub prompt
[23:18] <penguin42> sparr: Hmm that's pesky - I suspect it's something to do with devicekit/policykit now emforcing things like that
[23:18] <mezquitale> tormod, what file should I edit?  I noticed menu.lst is no longer being used
[23:18] <penguin42> sparr: The nautilus oddity doesn't entirely surprise me - there's something weird about how multiple desktop sessions distinguish themselves - they don't just follow the DISPLAY variable
[23:18] <sparr> penguin42: but it WORKS without -logverbose 6
[23:19] <penguin42> weird
[23:19] <tormod> mezquitale, see what I pasted
[23:19] <sparr> everything functions normally, ignoring the fact that root has some invalid-due-to-gnome-upgrades panel options
[23:20] <mezquitale> tormod, yes, it looks like the config I need but what file do I need to edit?
[23:21] <penguin42> sparr: Ah, I think I've found it
[23:21] <penguin42> sparr: Look in /usr/bin/startx around line 64
[23:21] <tormod> mezquitale,  you have to make a file like I did in the example I pasted
[23:21] <penguin42> sparr: ' display must be the FIRST server argument'
[23:21] <sparr> aha!
[23:21] <sparr> still very freaky
[23:22] <penguin42> sparr: Thus I think it was probably trying to start a 2nd session on the same display
[23:22] <sparr> plausible
[23:23] <mezquitale> tormod, that makes a lot of sense, so I have to create my own config file and put it in /etc/grub.d/
[23:24] <penguin42> sparr: Arguably the man page syntax synosys does show that although the words server and client in aren't obvious what they mean
[23:24] <tormod> mezquitale, yes but you can choose another name than 12_tormod :)
[23:26] <mezquitale> tormod, thanks I chose 12_[mynick] for historical purposes, im going to reboot and see if it works, if it doesn't im going to just rootverify(hd0,2) then makeactive, then chainloader +1, and then boot so I can grab my bookmarks, karmic looks promising so far, im going to test it really good
[23:27] <tormod> mezquitale, you don't need makeactive, that's for dos
[23:28] <mezquitale> tormod, that's even easier then, let me reboot, be back in a few with the results
[23:28] <sparr> penguin42: ok, problem resolved, thanks.  sadly, -logverbose doesn't provide the info I was looking for in the first place :(
[23:28] <penguin42> oh that's disappointing - I'd assumed 'Make Startup disk' could do it from a running system
[23:28] <penguin42> sparr: What were you after?
[23:29] <sparr> penguin42: I am switching resolution with nvidia-settings, to a resolution that X isn't detecting on its own.  I am trying to find enough information to build a valid ModeLine for the resolution that I am in right now
[23:29] <sparr> someone suggested that -logverbose might log more information during the mode change
[23:29] <penguin42> sparr: Ah some of that might be an nvidia special
[23:30] <penguin42> sparr: Try xrandr --verbose
[23:30] <sparr> how can that be?  that is, what could the nvidia driver be doing that I couldn't duplicate with the proper ModeLine with the vesa or nv driver?
[23:30] <penguin42> sparr: Oh I just meant where nvidia might log extra stuff
[23:31] <sparr> xrandr --verbose seems rather helpful
[23:31] <sparr> 1360x768 (0x23a)   73.1MHz *current        h: width  1360 start    0 end    0 total 1360 skew    0 clock   53.8KHz        v: height  768 start    0 end    0 total  768           clock   70.0Hz
[23:31] <sparr> that looks like enough information
[23:31] <penguin42> anyway, time to disappear for a few minutes
[23:31] <sparr> thanks for the help, enjoy your reboot
[23:32] <mroc> i updated my system this morning, and now i can't seem to boot.  fsck seems to have a problem with the timestamp, but running fsck manually doesn't correct it.  any advice?
[23:33] <penguin42> hmm I may as well pull the latest updates before reboot
[23:35] <sparr> I run ubuntu+1 to keep up with newer packages, but the breakage makes me sad :(
[23:35] <sparr> Every release I get a little closer to moving back to debian.  I love debian testing.
[23:36] <mezquitale> tormod, do I have to chmod +x the file I created?
[23:37] <HorizonX1> in karmic koala, how can I create my own boot splash screen?
[23:39] <tormod> mezquitale, I think so. when running update-grub you should see "adding chainloaders"
[23:39] <penguin42> sparr: Have you ever tried using sid?
[23:40] <sparr> penguin42: I usually do.  When I ran debian, I pinned about 20% of my packages to testing, everything else came from unstable
[23:40] <sparr> right now about 0.5% of the packages on my system are from debian unstable
[23:41] <sparr> about 2% from debian testing
[23:41] <mezquitale> sparr, I should try debian then, I've been hooked to ubuntustudio and karmic looks beautiful, the network manger is awesome on my laptop, it does have a few glitches i need to fix though
[23:41] <penguin42> sparr-> /nick frankenstein
[23:42] <mezquitale> tormod, I was taken off the net, sorry.  Do I have to chmod +x the file I created?
[23:42] <sparr> penguin42: I am probably one of two people in the whole world who care that the apt priority system is poorly documented.  My pinning priorities a year ago (not today, I do it manually now) would make a MOTU cry
 mezquitale, I think so. when running update-grub you should see "adding chainloaders"
[23:42] <mezquitale> ok so I have to create the file and run update-grub??
[23:42] <penguin42> sparr: Hehe - I have tried to using pinning in the past
[23:42] <penguin42> anyway, now I have to reboot
[23:44] <mezquitale> tormod, im reboot, i made the file I created executable and ran update-grub, going to reboot now
[23:47] <edoceo> Anyone else been seeding that the clock is set back a few minutes/hours when rebooting Karmic?  Been happening the last few days, didn't see this issue a 12 days ago.
[23:49] <HorizonX1> no ideas?
[23:50] <BUGabundo> edoceo: prob a bad batery on your board
[23:51] <edoceo> BUGabundo: On two machines? That started happening at the same time? (same day at least)?
[23:51] <edoceo> Unlikely
[23:51] <BUGabundo> strange then
[23:51] <BUGabundo> humm bad NTP server?
[23:52] <BUGabundo> maybe at boot it connects to a local one
[23:52] <TerminX> edoceo: it happens here too
[23:52] <edoceo> Also, this behaviour only happens after booting Karmic, not after boot the Gentoo or Jaunty side
[23:52] <BUGabundo> and then when online use another
[23:52] <BUGabundo> there goes my theory
[23:52] <TerminX> my system clock is supposed to be GMT
[23:52] <BUGabundo> please file a bug , both of you
[23:52] <TerminX> but karmic is setting it to the local timezone
[23:52] <edoceo> No other machines on the network (14) which depend on the same NTP are having this issue either.
[23:52]  * edoceo hauls of to Launchpad to search/file bugs
[23:52] <TerminX> so every time I boot I get a bunch of fsck bitching about superblock mount timestamps
[23:53] <BUGabundo> right
[23:53] <TerminX> ...so every time I reboot I have to remember to go into CMOS and bump my clock up by 7 hours (since I'm in GMT-8 and it's still DST here IIRC)
[23:53] <edoceo> TerminX: Same scenario here  :(
[23:54] <TerminX> it seems like it's intentional
[23:54] <TerminX> to benefit windows users
[23:54] <TerminX> with no way to configure it for everyone else
[23:54] <TerminX> try neutering the hwclock related init scripts
[23:54] <edoceo> On Gentoo system there's a (sync colok) hook on start/shutdown for that case, which can be disabled if you only run *nix systems
[23:54] <TerminX> I haven't done it myself yet but that's where I'd start :p
[23:55] <edoceo> TerminX: Yea me too - if I had the free time - for now I just try to avoid rebooting these things, which is a shit way to test Beta software
[23:55] <TerminX> hey, I didn't reboot for 6 months until a few days ago
[23:56] <TerminX> my last reboot was before karmic even opened
[23:56] <edoceo> TerminX: See Bug 432070, looks like that's what we've hit
[23:56] <TerminX> but a few days ago upstart seems to have been a forced upgrade upon anyone still using sysvinit :p