| kwwii | morning all | 08:41 |
|---|---|---|
| thorwil | good morning! | 09:02 |
| kwwii | hi thorwil | 09:02 |
| kwwii | thorwil: just talking to ivanka about the countdown banner....trying to get an idea of what they want, etc. | 09:04 |
| kwwii | so, in the end, there is no specific direction...since it was in the community space it should stay there | 09:05 |
| kwwii | ie. feel free to do whatever you want ;) | 09:05 |
| thorwil | kwwii: i just wanted to say that, 1 day before concept deadline, it would be a bit late to think about what you want :) | 09:06 |
| kwwii | LOL | 09:14 |
| thorwil | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/KarmicCountdownBanners | 09:16 |
| kwwii | wow, I like the ones with the bg fromthe xsplash | 09:18 |
| thorwil | currently Chin's design is the only one i like (somewhat). i fear he might have taken that koala from an image not granting those rights | 09:18 |
| thorwil | horrible numerals, anyway | 09:19 |
| kwwii | yeah | 09:29 |
| * mac_v doesnt like the splash being used as a banner ;p | 09:45 | |
| FLOZz | Hello all _o/ | 10:58 |
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| mrmcq2u_ | kwwii - u back? | 17:17 |
| kwwii | mrmcq2u_: yes, I am online (but not at home, back in london) | 17:20 |
| kwwii | oops, one second too late | 17:20 |
| kwwii | mrmcq2u_: he | 17:41 |
| kwwii | hey | 17:41 |
| kwwii | 18:20 -!- mrmcq2u_ [n=mrmcq2u_@78.16.185.1] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 17:42 |
| kwwii | 18:20 < kwwii> mrmcq2u_: yes, I am online (but not at home, back in london) | 17:42 |
| kwwii | 18:20 < kwwii> oops, one second too late | 17:42 |
| * kwwii is off to the hotel | 18:08 | |
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| zoomy942 | hi there everyone | 19:58 |
| mrmcq2u_ | kwwii -> did u talk to that sound engineer yet? | 20:01 |
| zoomy942 | i had a question about the Breathe Icon set | 20:01 |
| zoomy942 | it's a great icon set by the way | 20:01 |
| mrmcq2u_ | I don't like it :( | 20:08 |
| mrmcq2u_ | prefer gnome-colors | 20:08 |
| mrmcq2u_ | or humanity | 20:08 |
| zoomy942 | well, about those sets, this quesiton applies too | 20:10 |
| zoomy942 | it changed everything, which is good, but i didnt notice it change my battery/charging icon on my tablet pc | 20:10 |
| zoomy942 | is that something that was skipped? | 20:10 |
| MadsRH | zoomy942 -> Breathe is really slick - only 50% done at the moment. I tried Humanity, which is better than Human, but still I like Breathe better | 20:13 |
| mrmcq2u_ | MadsRH - did u try gnome colors? | 20:14 |
| MadsRH | mrmcq2u_ -> No, I haven't. Is that the set that have a non-ubuntu icon in the applications menu? | 20:16 |
| mrmcq2u_ | MadRH - Its the iconset you use with shiki-colors | 20:25 |
| zoomy942 | thanks for the info. i love breathe so far. love it | 20:32 |
| zoomy942 | i'll be keeping an eye on it, thats for sure | 20:32 |
| knome | kwwii, what's the license for notification-* icons in Human? where i can find the AUTHORS file? | 21:01 |
| kwwii | knome is there a problem? | 21:07 |
| kwwii | I am on a mac atm, can't give you and links or such...ask me tomorrow when I am back at work | 21:08 |
| kwwii | I don't think that there is an authors file | 21:08 |
| knome | kwwii, we need the svg files, but the sources only have png | 21:10 |
| knome | kwwii, did you have that group photo btw? ;) | 21:10 |
| mrmcq2u_ | kwwii - what are the chances that lynx will use a modified more desktop friendly version of the moblin ui instead of gnome-shell? | 21:13 |
| mrmcq2u_ | with integrated web browser and media player taken out of the panel and a zeitgeist based file manager replacing it instead | 21:13 |
| kwwii | knome: what do you want to do with the svg's? | 21:18 |
| kwwii | mrmcq2u_: no idea | 21:18 |
| kwwii | knome: sorry, I am back in london atm...I was only home for two days before returning...I promise that when I get home in a few days I will get it to you | 21:24 |
| kwwii | beta freeze is on thursday...I am going kinda crazy with work | 21:24 |
| knome | kwwii, we need to fix some of the icons, we're going to include them in our own set | 21:35 |
| FLOZz | Bye | 21:35 |
| knome | kwwii, no hurry with the group photo, it's already been a year since it ;) | 21:35 |
| kwwii | knome: please do not simply copy the icons. I have no problem if they are changed in style or such, but just copying them will get me stress from my boss | 21:38 |
| knome | right | 21:38 |
| knome | we are going to change the colors | 21:39 |
| knome | is there a specific reason why human is so kind of closed from public? | 21:41 |
| kwwii | knome: human in general no...but when we released the notification icons with the theme they were supposed to be licensed differently and for whatever reason I got the blame | 21:46 |
| kwwii | so, I would appreciate it if those icons are not copied directly | 21:47 |
| kwwii | just the notifications, nothing else | 21:47 |
| knome | hmm? | 21:48 |
| knome | what is the license then? | 21:48 |
| knome | just tell me to shut up if you can't tell more about it :) | 21:53 |
| kwwii | hehe, it is in the paage itself in the debian dir...ccbysa | 21:55 |
| knome | ok, so we *could* copy those? | 21:55 |
| kwwii | among other things, the ubuntu logo which is trademarked is also in their...legally that is incorrect as well | 21:55 |
| knome | i don't want to cause any trouble and i | 21:56 |
| knome | ...i'll keep our team from copying them if there really is a problem | 21:56 |
| kwwii | I would almos promise that any theme which just copies them will not make it into ubuntu | 21:56 |
| kwwii | almost | 21:56 |
| knome | but we're talking about xubuntu | 21:56 |
| knome | why release them under CC if they don't want them to be copied? or was this a mistake? | 21:57 |
| kwwii | it was a mistake | 21:57 |
| knome | okay | 21:57 |
| kwwii | I appreciate your understanding | 21:59 |
| knome | sure | 22:00 |
| knome | i think we have to find an other way | 22:00 |
| SiDi | kwwii: so there's no way for us to use the human notification-* icons ? :( | 22:00 |
| knome | kwwii, who would be the next from you to contact about this? sabdfl? :P | 22:03 |
| kwwii | sorry all, the wifi went down in my hotel | 22:40 |
| kwwii | so they gave me free broadband ;) | 22:40 |
| kwwii | SiDi: as they are in the human set, it would be bad | 22:40 |
| kwwii | SiDi: what we could do is put them in another set just to themselves and then put that beneath your default set in the heirarchy | 22:41 |
| kwwii | knome: dude, please don't even kid about that :) He was the one who was screaming at me that I had better get my shit together after they were released with the human set | 22:41 |
| kwwii | although I had no idea that they should not be released with it...until then everything was ccbysa | 22:42 |
| SiDi | i see | 22:42 |
| kwwii | naturally, you could take the svgs and change them | 22:42 |
| knome | kwwii, he is not a superhuman even if he has all the power in ubuntu and lots of money :P | 22:42 |
| kwwii | or just include the human set underneath | 22:42 |
| kwwii | knome: lol, he pay my salary | 22:42 |
| SiDi | i think we will try to make our own ones | 22:42 |
| ckontros | Screaming? Really? Because it was an open license? Hmm... | 22:43 |
| knome | kwwii, but not mine. | 22:43 |
| SiDi | that'll avoid you trouble | 22:43 |
| kwwii | yes, and I would appreciate it ;) | 22:43 |
| kwwii | ckontros: he wants all the new stuff from the design team which is different enough from what we have done until now to be reserved for ubuntu, etc | 22:43 |
| knome | kwwii, that sounds like lots of propietary stuff coming | 22:45 |
| kwwii | well, it is just parts of the artwork...all the code will stay opensource | 22:50 |
| kwwii | the idea is that if we create something *really* amazing (which is, of course our job) we don't want someone to simply copy it as soon as we release it | 22:51 |
| kwwii | check the new xsplash artwork, it has the new license | 22:51 |
| kwwii | although really it is a non-license | 22:51 |
| knome | "the new license" ? | 22:52 |
| knome | kwwii, how does that license apply for copying to xubuntu, for example? | 22:52 |
| kwwii | trust me, I have spent the last months talking to our two lawyers (and *lots* of others) concerning licensing and such | 22:52 |
| knome | i mean, one might think mark wouldn't want to stop it being in the rest of his products as well | 22:52 |
| knome | it == amazing stuff | 22:53 |
| kwwii | knome: to be honest, with xubuntu, because of its status with ubuntu variants, I don't know | 22:53 |
| knome | kwwii, is there any possibility you could investigate this further? :/ | 22:53 |
| kwwii | right, but we're not talking about just using it in xubuntu but taking it out of the context with which it way intended | 22:53 |
| ckontros | kwwii: Ouch. That *REALLY* sucks. Though I understand why. And IMO the art won't show elsewhere. | 22:53 |
| knome | yeah | 22:54 |
| kwwii | knome: yes, I can take care of it tomorrow | 22:54 |
| knome | kwwii, thanks. i appreciate it | 22:54 |
| kwwii | ckontros: I agree but it was not my decision | 22:54 |
| kwwii | I almost lost my job over this and before it I had no idea | 22:54 |
| ckontros | I can see this being an issue later though. Something to give Mark shit about. | 22:54 |
| knome | it really sounds like something big | 22:55 |
| kwwii | oh, I imagine this will be a big issue with more people | 22:55 |
| kwwii | I just don't want those problems to come out of something that I said or did ;) | 22:55 |
| knome | of course | 22:55 |
| ckontros | For sure, people will see the license and make their own issue from it. | 22:56 |
| knome | that's why we might ask mark directly O:) | 22:56 |
| kwwii | quite a few at the company thought it was not the right decision | 22:56 |
| ckontros | There will also be bugs filed. :P | 22:56 |
| kwwii | knome: don't worry, I will talk to him and others tomorrow | 22:56 |
| knome | okay :) | 22:56 |
| kwwii | I will explain this whole conversation | 22:56 |
| knome | okay, thanks a lot | 22:56 |
| * ckontros doubts any of the dirivitaves will have a problem using the icons. | 22:57 | |
| kwwii | no problem, thank you for understanding, more info will be coming | 22:57 |
| ckontros | *derivatives | 22:57 |
| knome | ckontros, the problem is that xubuntu is not one of the officially supported | 22:58 |
| knome | ckontros, we are just an official derivative | 22:58 |
| kwwii | as I said, as long as they are in a) a seperate set to themselves or b) kept in the human theme as they are now, it will not be a problem | 22:58 |
| SiDi | ckontros: we always ask for authorization before using someone else's work, fortunately this can avoid bad situations :p | 22:58 |
| knome | kwwii, a separate set would work perfectly, actually.. | 22:58 |
| SiDi | kwwii: i'm ok for a xubuntu-notification-icon-theme or something, if it can be done | 22:59 |
| kwwii | knome: yeah, and I bet that mark will like the idea as well | 22:59 |
| knome | kwwii, great to hear :) | 22:59 |
| kwwii | luckily I am in the office so I can sit down with them over lunch and discuss the issue | 22:59 |
| knome | kwwii, i have to buy you a beer if we meet someday :) | 22:59 |
| ckontros | Drama. meh | 22:59 |
| kwwii | knome: deal ;) | 22:59 |
| * kwwii finds the amazing Katy Brands Big Ass Show | 23:03 | |
| kwwii | funny as hell | 23:03 |
| SiDi | kwwii: now that knome said that he's telling me he needs a beer in pm... he's terrible, as soon as he thinks of beer.. :P | 23:03 |
| knome | lol | 23:03 |
| knome | maybe i am;) | 23:03 |
| kwwii | lol | 23:03 |
| kwwii | were I live, there are more breweries per capita than anywhere in the world | 23:04 |
| kwwii | ;) | 23:04 |
| ckontros | Damn Krauts | 23:04 |
| knome | well, to be honest, i think beer 99% of the time i'm awake | 23:05 |
| knome | one day i hope i can say that sentence with "think" replaced with "drink" | 23:06 |
| knome | and not lie | 23:06 |
| SiDi | it would not be sane for your body | 23:06 |
| knome | not really. :) | 23:06 |
| * ckontros was straitedge 'till he was 27. (not hardcore just kinda fit that mold) | 23:06 | |
| knome | but at least i'd have fun | 23:07 |
| knome | drinking beer all the time actually isn't a thing to joke about :P | 23:07 |
| knome | still i manage to do that all the time | 23:07 |
| SiDi | ELEMENTARY HUMMINGBIRD ! | 23:08 |
| SiDi | its still damn long | 23:08 |
| SiDi | I was happy with BLH :( | 23:08 |
| knome | heh | 23:10 |
| SiDi | knome: image sent in email | 23:10 |
| knome | okay | 23:10 |
| SiDi | i had an idea for the ico ntheme | 23:10 |
| SiDi | we could release elementary as is | 23:10 |
| knome | and? | 23:11 |
| SiDi | and define BLH which would contain only our few icons and which would inherit the notification theme and then elementary | 23:11 |
| knome | that's possible. | 23:11 |
| knome | not a bad idea at all | 23:11 |
| SiDi | so there would be elementary installed (recognition for the author) and i'd have my sexy name | 23:11 |
| knome | those icons you sent look good | 23:11 |
| SiDi | the alternative is that i stop being an asshole and i accept using elementary xubuntu or w/e as a name | 23:11 |
| knome | haha | 23:11 |
| SiDi | the 24px stop icon is blur | 23:11 |
| SiDi | but it took me already some time to make it like that :P | 23:12 |
| knome | hmm | 23:12 |
| knome | how come? | 23:12 |
| SiDi | (but i think they're definately better than the current gnome ones) | 23:12 |
| SiDi | well, w/out the sources i just took the gnome ones and rotated them | 23:12 |
| knome | why not just copy the start icon and flip it and change the colors? :] | 23:12 |
| SiDi | which blurred them A LOT | 23:12 |
| knome | hmm | 23:12 |
| knome | how come? | 23:12 |
| knome | they were svg? | 23:13 |
| SiDi | which i fixed quite great in the 22Px and 16px ones, but which i dont seem to manage to fix more for the 24px | 23:13 |
| SiDi | png | 23:13 |
| knome | OH | 23:13 |
| SiDi | there's no xcf or svg | 23:13 |
| SiDi | its not even open source | 23:13 |
| knome | gosh?! | 23:13 |
| * kwwii hits the minibar | 23:13 | |
| knome | can we modify them then? | 23:13 |
| SiDi | if apt-get sources returns a damn package without the SOURCE, then its not open source x_x | 23:13 |
| knome | kwwii, have a good drink | 23:13 |
| knome | SiDi, lol | 23:13 |
| knome | SiDi, which pkg is that? :P | 23:14 |
| SiDi | its a SOURCE package of course | 23:14 |
| kwwii | nothing better than a beer which costs 10 pounds | 23:14 |
| knome | kwwii, OUCH. | 23:14 |
| knome | kwwii, i think i'll have some rum | 23:14 |
| kwwii | actually, it is more like 6, but that is still crazy expensice | 23:14 |
| SiDi | i think i'll go bed | 23:14 |
| knome | SiDi, night :P | 23:14 |
| kwwii | actually, I think I will pop open a vodka | 23:14 |
| kwwii | night SiDi | 23:14 |
| SiDi | gotta wake up in 6 hours for a signal transmission mathematics course... | 23:14 |
| knome | kwwii, sounds like a normal price for beer in my standard bar | 23:14 |
| SiDi | knome: thats so damn expensive :P | 23:15 |
| knome | SiDi, but it's beer. ;) | 23:15 |
| knome | SiDi, and only money. ;) | 23:15 |
| SiDi | knome: feel free to try to make a better 24px icon btw ;) basically i just turned the icon, made it sharper, and then darkened it a little bit in gimp | 23:15 |
| SiDi | (andi still think photoshop >>>>>> gimp) | 23:16 |
| knome | SiDi, hmpf. | 23:16 |
| knome | SiDi, i think we might try to get THE sources | 23:16 |
| SiDi | i think you should try w/e art channel exists in gimp.net then | 23:16 |
| SiDi | ts the gnome hideout | 23:16 |
| SiDi | Ok, time to go now :X | 23:17 |
| knome | hmm, my captain morgan is clearly running out | 23:21 |
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