[08:41] <kwwii> morning all
[09:02] <thorwil> good morning!
[09:02] <kwwii> hi thorwil
[09:04] <kwwii> thorwil: just talking to ivanka about the countdown banner....trying to get an idea of what they want, etc.
[09:05] <kwwii> so, in the end, there is no specific direction...since it was in the community space it should stay there
[09:05] <kwwii> ie. feel free to do whatever you want ;)
[09:06] <thorwil> kwwii: i just wanted to say that, 1 day before concept deadline, it would be a bit late to think about what you want :)
[09:14] <kwwii> LOL
[09:16] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/KarmicCountdownBanners
[09:18] <kwwii> wow, I like the ones with the bg fromthe xsplash
[09:18] <thorwil> currently Chin's design is the only one i like (somewhat). i fear he might have taken that koala from an image not granting those rights
[09:19] <thorwil> horrible numerals, anyway
[09:29] <kwwii> yeah
[09:45]  * mac_v doesnt like the splash being used as a banner ;p
[10:58] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[17:17] <mrmcq2u_> kwwii - u back?
[17:20] <kwwii> mrmcq2u_: yes, I am online (but not at home, back in london)
[17:20] <kwwii> oops, one second too late
[17:41] <kwwii> mrmcq2u_: he
[17:41] <kwwii> hey
[17:42] <kwwii> 18:20 -!- mrmcq2u_ [n=mrmcq2u_@78.16.185.1] has quit [Remote closed the  connection]
[17:42] <kwwii> 18:20 < kwwii> mrmcq2u_: yes, I am online (but not at home, back in london)
[17:42] <kwwii> 18:20 < kwwii> oops, one second too late
[18:08]  * kwwii is off to the hotel
[19:58] <zoomy942> hi there everyone
[20:01] <mrmcq2u_> kwwii -> did u talk to that sound engineer yet?
[20:01] <zoomy942> i had a question about the Breathe Icon set
[20:01] <zoomy942> it's a great icon set by the way
[20:08] <mrmcq2u_> I don't like it :(
[20:08] <mrmcq2u_> prefer gnome-colors
[20:08] <mrmcq2u_> or humanity
[20:10] <zoomy942> well, about those sets, this quesiton applies too
[20:10] <zoomy942> it changed everything, which is good, but i didnt notice it change my battery/charging icon on my tablet pc
[20:10] <zoomy942> is that something that was skipped?
[20:13] <MadsRH> zoomy942 -> Breathe is really slick - only 50% done at the moment. I tried Humanity, which is better than Human, but still I like Breathe better
[20:14] <mrmcq2u_> MadsRH - did u try gnome colors?
[20:16] <MadsRH> mrmcq2u_ -> No, I haven't. Is that the set that have a non-ubuntu icon in the applications menu?
[20:25] <mrmcq2u_> MadRH  - Its the iconset you use with shiki-colors
[20:32] <zoomy942> thanks for the info.  i love breathe so far.  love it
[20:32] <zoomy942> i'll be keeping an eye on it, thats for sure
[21:01] <knome> kwwii, what's the license for notification-* icons in Human? where i can find the AUTHORS file?
[21:07] <kwwii> knome is there a problem?
[21:08] <kwwii> I am on a mac atm, can't give you and links or such...ask me tomorrow when I am back at work
[21:08] <kwwii> I don't think that there is an authors file
[21:10] <knome> kwwii, we need the svg files, but the sources only have png
[21:10] <knome> kwwii, did you have that group photo btw? ;)
[21:13] <mrmcq2u_> kwwii - what are the chances that lynx will use a modified more desktop friendly version of the moblin ui instead of gnome-shell?
[21:13] <mrmcq2u_> with integrated web browser and media player taken out of the panel and a zeitgeist based file manager replacing it instead
[21:18] <kwwii> knome: what do you want to do with the svg's?
[21:18] <kwwii> mrmcq2u_: no idea
[21:24] <kwwii> knome: sorry, I am back in london atm...I was only home for two days before returning...I promise that when I get home in a few days  I will get it to you
[21:24] <kwwii> beta freeze is on thursday...I am going kinda crazy with work
[21:35] <knome> kwwii, we need to fix some of the icons, we're going to include them in our own set
[21:35] <FLOZz> Bye
[21:35] <knome> kwwii, no hurry with the group photo, it's already been a year since it ;)
[21:38] <kwwii> knome: please do not simply copy the icons. I have no problem if they are changed in style or such, but just copying them will get me stress from my boss
[21:38] <knome> right
[21:39] <knome> we are going to change the colors
[21:41] <knome> is there a specific reason why human is so kind of closed from public?
[21:46] <kwwii> knome: human in general no...but when we released the notification icons with the theme they were supposed to be licensed differently and for whatever reason I got the blame
[21:47] <kwwii> so, I would appreciate it if those icons are not copied directly
[21:47] <kwwii> just the notifications, nothing else
[21:48] <knome> hmm?
[21:48] <knome> what is the license then?
[21:53] <knome> just tell me to shut up if you can't tell more about it :)
[21:55] <kwwii> hehe, it is in the paage itself in the debian dir...ccbysa
[21:55] <knome> ok, so we *could* copy those?
[21:55] <kwwii> among other things, the ubuntu logo which is trademarked is also in their...legally that is incorrect as well
[21:56] <knome> i don't want to cause any trouble and i
[21:56] <knome> ...i'll keep our team from copying them if there really is a problem
[21:56] <kwwii> I would almos promise that any theme which just copies them will not make it into ubuntu
[21:56] <kwwii> almost
[21:56] <knome> but we're talking about xubuntu
[21:57] <knome> why release them under CC if they don't want them to be copied? or was this a mistake?
[21:57] <kwwii> it was a mistake
[21:57] <knome> okay
[21:59] <kwwii> I appreciate your understanding
[22:00] <knome> sure
[22:00] <knome> i think we have to find an other way
[22:00] <SiDi> kwwii: so there's no way for us to use the human notification-* icons ? :(
[22:03] <knome> kwwii, who would be the next from you to contact about this? sabdfl? :P
[22:40] <kwwii> sorry all, the wifi went down in my hotel
[22:40] <kwwii> so they gave me free broadband ;)
[22:40] <kwwii> SiDi: as they are in the human set, it would be bad
[22:41] <kwwii> SiDi: what we could do is put them in another set just to themselves and then put that beneath your default set in the heirarchy
[22:41] <kwwii> knome: dude, please don't even kid about that :) He was the one who was screaming at me that I had better get my shit together after they were released with the human set
[22:42] <kwwii> although I had no idea that they should not be released with it...until then everything was ccbysa
[22:42] <SiDi> i see
[22:42] <kwwii> naturally, you could take the svgs and change them
[22:42] <knome> kwwii, he is not a superhuman even if he has all the power in ubuntu and lots of money :P
[22:42] <kwwii> or just include the human set underneath
[22:42] <kwwii> knome: lol, he pay my salary
[22:42] <SiDi> i think we will try to make our own ones
[22:43] <ckontros> Screaming? Really? Because it was an open license? Hmm...
[22:43] <knome> kwwii, but not mine.
[22:43] <SiDi> that'll avoid you trouble
[22:43] <kwwii> yes, and I would appreciate it ;)
[22:43] <kwwii> ckontros: he wants all the new stuff from the design team which is different enough from what we have done until now to be reserved for ubuntu, etc
[22:45] <knome> kwwii, that sounds like lots of propietary stuff coming
[22:50] <kwwii> well, it is just parts of the artwork...all the code will stay opensource
[22:51] <kwwii> the idea is that if we create something *really* amazing (which is, of course our job) we don't want someone to simply copy it as soon as we release it
[22:51] <kwwii> check the new xsplash artwork, it has the new license
[22:51] <kwwii> although really it is a non-license
[22:52] <knome> "the new license" ?
[22:52] <knome> kwwii, how does that license apply for copying to xubuntu, for example?
[22:52] <kwwii> trust me, I have spent the last months talking to our two lawyers (and *lots* of others) concerning licensing and such
[22:52] <knome> i mean, one might think mark wouldn't want to stop it being in the rest of his products as well
[22:53] <knome> it == amazing stuff
[22:53] <kwwii> knome: to be honest, with xubuntu, because of its status with ubuntu variants, I don't know
[22:53] <knome> kwwii, is there any possibility you could investigate this further? :/
[22:53] <kwwii> right, but we're not talking about just using it in xubuntu but taking it out of the context with which it way intended
[22:53] <ckontros> kwwii: Ouch. That *REALLY* sucks. Though I understand why. And IMO the art won't show elsewhere.
[22:54] <knome> yeah
[22:54] <kwwii> knome: yes, I can take care of it tomorrow
[22:54] <knome> kwwii, thanks. i appreciate it
[22:54] <kwwii> ckontros: I agree but it was not my decision
[22:54] <kwwii> I almost lost my job over this and before it I had no idea
[22:54] <ckontros> I can see this being an issue later though. Something to give Mark shit about.
[22:55] <knome> it really sounds like something big
[22:55] <kwwii> oh, I imagine this will be a big issue with more people
[22:55] <kwwii> I just don't want those problems to come out of something that I said or did ;)
[22:55] <knome> of course
[22:56] <ckontros> For sure, people will see the license and make their own issue from it.
[22:56] <knome> that's why we might ask mark directly O:)
[22:56] <kwwii> quite a few at the company thought it was not the right decision
[22:56] <ckontros> There will also be bugs filed. :P
[22:56] <kwwii> knome: don't worry, I will talk to him and others tomorrow
[22:56] <knome> okay :)
[22:56] <kwwii> I will explain this whole conversation
[22:56] <knome> okay, thanks a lot
[22:57]  * ckontros doubts any of the dirivitaves will have a problem using the icons.
[22:57] <kwwii> no problem, thank you for understanding, more info will be coming
[22:57] <ckontros> *derivatives
[22:58] <knome> ckontros, the problem is that xubuntu is not one of the officially supported
[22:58] <knome> ckontros, we are just an official derivative
[22:58] <kwwii> as I said, as long as they are in a) a seperate set to themselves or b) kept in the human theme as they are now, it will not be a problem
[22:58] <SiDi> ckontros: we always ask for authorization before using someone else's work, fortunately this can avoid bad situations :p
[22:58] <knome> kwwii, a separate set would work perfectly, actually..
[22:59] <SiDi> kwwii: i'm ok for a xubuntu-notification-icon-theme or something, if it can be done
[22:59] <kwwii> knome: yeah, and I bet that mark will like the idea as well
[22:59] <knome> kwwii, great to hear :)
[22:59] <kwwii> luckily I am in the office so I can sit down with them over lunch and discuss the issue
[22:59] <knome> kwwii, i have to buy you a beer if we meet someday :)
[22:59] <ckontros> Drama. meh
[22:59] <kwwii> knome: deal ;)
[23:03]  * kwwii finds the amazing Katy Brands Big Ass Show
[23:03] <kwwii> funny as hell
[23:03] <SiDi> kwwii: now that knome said that he's telling me he needs a beer in pm... he's terrible, as soon as he thinks of beer.. :P
[23:03] <knome> lol
[23:03] <knome> maybe i am;)
[23:03] <kwwii> lol
[23:04] <kwwii> were I live, there are more breweries per capita than anywhere in the world
[23:04] <kwwii> ;)
[23:04] <ckontros> Damn Krauts
[23:05] <knome> well, to be honest, i think beer 99% of the time i'm awake
[23:06] <knome> one day i hope i can say that sentence with "think" replaced with "drink"
[23:06] <knome> and not lie
[23:06] <SiDi> it would not be sane for your body
[23:06] <knome> not really. :)
[23:06]  * ckontros was straitedge 'till he was 27. (not hardcore just kinda fit that mold)
[23:07] <knome> but at least i'd have fun
[23:07] <knome> drinking beer all the time actually isn't a thing to joke about :P
[23:07] <knome> still i manage to do that all the time
[23:08] <SiDi> ELEMENTARY HUMMINGBIRD !
[23:08] <SiDi> its still damn long
[23:08] <SiDi> I was happy with BLH :(
[23:10] <knome> heh
[23:10] <SiDi> knome: image sent in email
[23:10] <knome> okay
[23:10] <SiDi> i had an idea for the ico ntheme
[23:10] <SiDi> we could release elementary as is
[23:11] <knome> and?
[23:11] <SiDi> and define BLH which would contain only our few icons and which would inherit the notification theme and then elementary
[23:11] <knome> that's possible.
[23:11] <knome> not a bad idea at all
[23:11] <SiDi> so there would be elementary installed (recognition for the author) and i'd have my sexy name
[23:11] <knome> those icons you sent look good
[23:11] <SiDi> the alternative is that i stop being an asshole and i accept using elementary xubuntu or w/e as a name
[23:11] <knome> haha
[23:11] <SiDi> the 24px stop icon is blur
[23:12] <SiDi> but it took me already some time to make it like that :P
[23:12] <knome> hmm
[23:12] <knome> how come?
[23:12] <SiDi> (but i think they're definately better than the current gnome ones)
[23:12] <SiDi> well, w/out the sources i just took the gnome ones and rotated them
[23:12] <knome> why not just copy the start icon and flip it and change the colors? :]
[23:12] <SiDi> which blurred them A LOT
[23:12] <knome> hmm
[23:12] <knome> how come?
[23:13] <knome> they were svg?
[23:13] <SiDi> which i fixed quite great in the 22Px and 16px ones, but which i dont seem to manage to fix more for the 24px
[23:13] <SiDi> png
[23:13] <knome> OH
[23:13] <SiDi> there's no xcf or svg
[23:13] <SiDi> its not even open source
[23:13] <knome> gosh?!
[23:13]  * kwwii hits the minibar
[23:13] <knome> can we modify them then?
[23:13] <SiDi> if apt-get sources returns a damn package without the SOURCE, then its not open source x_x
[23:13] <knome> kwwii, have a good drink
[23:13] <knome> SiDi, lol
[23:14] <knome> SiDi, which pkg is that? :P
[23:14] <SiDi> its a SOURCE package of course
[23:14] <kwwii> nothing better than a beer which costs 10 pounds
[23:14] <knome> kwwii, OUCH.
[23:14] <knome> kwwii, i think i'll have some rum
[23:14] <kwwii> actually, it is more like 6, but that is still crazy expensice
[23:14] <SiDi> i think i'll go bed
[23:14] <knome> SiDi, night :P
[23:14] <kwwii> actually, I think I will pop open a vodka
[23:14] <kwwii> night SiDi
[23:14] <SiDi> gotta wake up in 6 hours for a signal transmission mathematics course...
[23:14] <knome> kwwii, sounds like a normal price for beer in my standard bar
[23:15] <SiDi> knome: thats so damn expensive :P
[23:15] <knome> SiDi, but it's beer. ;)
[23:15] <knome> SiDi, and only money. ;)
[23:15] <SiDi> knome: feel free to try to make a better 24px icon btw ;) basically i just turned the icon, made it sharper, and then darkened it a little bit in gimp
[23:16] <SiDi> (andi still think photoshop >>>>>> gimp)
[23:16] <knome> SiDi, hmpf.
[23:16] <knome> SiDi, i think we might try to get THE sources
[23:16] <SiDi> i think you should try w/e art channel exists in gimp.net then
[23:16] <SiDi> ts the gnome hideout
[23:17] <SiDi> Ok, time to go now :X
[23:21] <knome> hmm, my captain morgan is clearly running out