[08:41] morning all [09:02] good morning! [09:02] hi thorwil [09:04] thorwil: just talking to ivanka about the countdown banner....trying to get an idea of what they want, etc. [09:05] so, in the end, there is no specific direction...since it was in the community space it should stay there [09:05] ie. feel free to do whatever you want ;) [09:06] kwwii: i just wanted to say that, 1 day before concept deadline, it would be a bit late to think about what you want :) [09:14] LOL [09:16] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/KarmicCountdownBanners [09:18] wow, I like the ones with the bg fromthe xsplash [09:18] currently Chin's design is the only one i like (somewhat). i fear he might have taken that koala from an image not granting those rights [09:19] horrible numerals, anyway [09:29] yeah [09:45] * mac_v doesnt like the splash being used as a banner ;p [10:58] Hello all _o/ === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [17:17] kwwii - u back? [17:20] mrmcq2u_: yes, I am online (but not at home, back in london) [17:20] oops, one second too late [17:41] mrmcq2u_: he [17:41] hey [17:42] 18:20 -!- mrmcq2u_ [n=mrmcq2u_@78.16.185.1] has quit [Remote closed the connection] [17:42] 18:20 < kwwii> mrmcq2u_: yes, I am online (but not at home, back in london) [17:42] 18:20 < kwwii> oops, one second too late [18:08] * kwwii is off to the hotel === jws141 is now known as dashua [19:58] hi there everyone [20:01] kwwii -> did u talk to that sound engineer yet? [20:01] i had a question about the Breathe Icon set [20:01] it's a great icon set by the way [20:08] I don't like it :( [20:08] prefer gnome-colors [20:08] or humanity [20:10] well, about those sets, this quesiton applies too [20:10] it changed everything, which is good, but i didnt notice it change my battery/charging icon on my tablet pc [20:10] is that something that was skipped? [20:13] zoomy942 -> Breathe is really slick - only 50% done at the moment. I tried Humanity, which is better than Human, but still I like Breathe better [20:14] MadsRH - did u try gnome colors? [20:16] mrmcq2u_ -> No, I haven't. Is that the set that have a non-ubuntu icon in the applications menu? [20:25] MadRH - Its the iconset you use with shiki-colors [20:32] thanks for the info. i love breathe so far. love it [20:32] i'll be keeping an eye on it, thats for sure [21:01] kwwii, what's the license for notification-* icons in Human? where i can find the AUTHORS file? [21:07] knome is there a problem? [21:08] I am on a mac atm, can't give you and links or such...ask me tomorrow when I am back at work [21:08] I don't think that there is an authors file [21:10] kwwii, we need the svg files, but the sources only have png [21:10] kwwii, did you have that group photo btw? ;) [21:13] kwwii - what are the chances that lynx will use a modified more desktop friendly version of the moblin ui instead of gnome-shell? [21:13] with integrated web browser and media player taken out of the panel and a zeitgeist based file manager replacing it instead [21:18] knome: what do you want to do with the svg's? [21:18] mrmcq2u_: no idea [21:24] knome: sorry, I am back in london atm...I was only home for two days before returning...I promise that when I get home in a few days I will get it to you [21:24] beta freeze is on thursday...I am going kinda crazy with work [21:35] kwwii, we need to fix some of the icons, we're going to include them in our own set [21:35] Bye [21:35] kwwii, no hurry with the group photo, it's already been a year since it ;) [21:38] knome: please do not simply copy the icons. I have no problem if they are changed in style or such, but just copying them will get me stress from my boss [21:38] right [21:39] we are going to change the colors [21:41] is there a specific reason why human is so kind of closed from public? [21:46] knome: human in general no...but when we released the notification icons with the theme they were supposed to be licensed differently and for whatever reason I got the blame [21:47] so, I would appreciate it if those icons are not copied directly [21:47] just the notifications, nothing else [21:48] hmm? [21:48] what is the license then? [21:53] just tell me to shut up if you can't tell more about it :) [21:55] hehe, it is in the paage itself in the debian dir...ccbysa [21:55] ok, so we *could* copy those? [21:55] among other things, the ubuntu logo which is trademarked is also in their...legally that is incorrect as well [21:56] i don't want to cause any trouble and i [21:56] ...i'll keep our team from copying them if there really is a problem [21:56] I would almos promise that any theme which just copies them will not make it into ubuntu [21:56] almost [21:56] but we're talking about xubuntu [21:57] why release them under CC if they don't want them to be copied? or was this a mistake? [21:57] it was a mistake [21:57] okay [21:59] I appreciate your understanding [22:00] sure [22:00] i think we have to find an other way [22:00] kwwii: so there's no way for us to use the human notification-* icons ? :( [22:03] kwwii, who would be the next from you to contact about this? sabdfl? :P [22:40] sorry all, the wifi went down in my hotel [22:40] so they gave me free broadband ;) [22:40] SiDi: as they are in the human set, it would be bad [22:41] SiDi: what we could do is put them in another set just to themselves and then put that beneath your default set in the heirarchy [22:41] knome: dude, please don't even kid about that :) He was the one who was screaming at me that I had better get my shit together after they were released with the human set [22:42] although I had no idea that they should not be released with it...until then everything was ccbysa [22:42] i see [22:42] naturally, you could take the svgs and change them [22:42] kwwii, he is not a superhuman even if he has all the power in ubuntu and lots of money :P [22:42] or just include the human set underneath [22:42] knome: lol, he pay my salary [22:42] i think we will try to make our own ones [22:43] Screaming? Really? Because it was an open license? Hmm... [22:43] kwwii, but not mine. [22:43] that'll avoid you trouble [22:43] yes, and I would appreciate it ;) [22:43] ckontros: he wants all the new stuff from the design team which is different enough from what we have done until now to be reserved for ubuntu, etc [22:45] kwwii, that sounds like lots of propietary stuff coming [22:50] well, it is just parts of the artwork...all the code will stay opensource [22:51] the idea is that if we create something *really* amazing (which is, of course our job) we don't want someone to simply copy it as soon as we release it [22:51] check the new xsplash artwork, it has the new license [22:51] although really it is a non-license [22:52] "the new license" ? [22:52] kwwii, how does that license apply for copying to xubuntu, for example? [22:52] trust me, I have spent the last months talking to our two lawyers (and *lots* of others) concerning licensing and such [22:52] i mean, one might think mark wouldn't want to stop it being in the rest of his products as well [22:53] it == amazing stuff [22:53] knome: to be honest, with xubuntu, because of its status with ubuntu variants, I don't know [22:53] kwwii, is there any possibility you could investigate this further? :/ [22:53] right, but we're not talking about just using it in xubuntu but taking it out of the context with which it way intended [22:53] kwwii: Ouch. That *REALLY* sucks. Though I understand why. And IMO the art won't show elsewhere. [22:54] yeah [22:54] knome: yes, I can take care of it tomorrow [22:54] kwwii, thanks. i appreciate it [22:54] ckontros: I agree but it was not my decision [22:54] I almost lost my job over this and before it I had no idea [22:54] I can see this being an issue later though. Something to give Mark shit about. [22:55] it really sounds like something big [22:55] oh, I imagine this will be a big issue with more people [22:55] I just don't want those problems to come out of something that I said or did ;) [22:55] of course [22:56] For sure, people will see the license and make their own issue from it. [22:56] that's why we might ask mark directly O:) [22:56] quite a few at the company thought it was not the right decision [22:56] There will also be bugs filed. :P [22:56] knome: don't worry, I will talk to him and others tomorrow [22:56] okay :) [22:56] I will explain this whole conversation [22:56] okay, thanks a lot [22:57] * ckontros doubts any of the dirivitaves will have a problem using the icons. [22:57] no problem, thank you for understanding, more info will be coming [22:57] *derivatives [22:58] ckontros, the problem is that xubuntu is not one of the officially supported [22:58] ckontros, we are just an official derivative [22:58] as I said, as long as they are in a) a seperate set to themselves or b) kept in the human theme as they are now, it will not be a problem [22:58] ckontros: we always ask for authorization before using someone else's work, fortunately this can avoid bad situations :p [22:58] kwwii, a separate set would work perfectly, actually.. [22:59] kwwii: i'm ok for a xubuntu-notification-icon-theme or something, if it can be done [22:59] knome: yeah, and I bet that mark will like the idea as well [22:59] kwwii, great to hear :) [22:59] luckily I am in the office so I can sit down with them over lunch and discuss the issue [22:59] kwwii, i have to buy you a beer if we meet someday :) [22:59] Drama. meh [22:59] knome: deal ;) [23:03] * kwwii finds the amazing Katy Brands Big Ass Show [23:03] funny as hell [23:03] kwwii: now that knome said that he's telling me he needs a beer in pm... he's terrible, as soon as he thinks of beer.. :P [23:03] lol [23:03] maybe i am;) [23:03] lol [23:04] were I live, there are more breweries per capita than anywhere in the world [23:04] ;) [23:04] Damn Krauts [23:05] well, to be honest, i think beer 99% of the time i'm awake [23:06] one day i hope i can say that sentence with "think" replaced with "drink" [23:06] and not lie [23:06] it would not be sane for your body [23:06] not really. :) [23:06] * ckontros was straitedge 'till he was 27. (not hardcore just kinda fit that mold) [23:07] but at least i'd have fun [23:07] drinking beer all the time actually isn't a thing to joke about :P [23:07] still i manage to do that all the time [23:08] ELEMENTARY HUMMINGBIRD ! [23:08] its still damn long [23:08] I was happy with BLH :( [23:10] heh [23:10] knome: image sent in email [23:10] okay [23:10] i had an idea for the ico ntheme [23:10] we could release elementary as is [23:11] and? [23:11] and define BLH which would contain only our few icons and which would inherit the notification theme and then elementary [23:11] that's possible. [23:11] not a bad idea at all [23:11] so there would be elementary installed (recognition for the author) and i'd have my sexy name [23:11] those icons you sent look good [23:11] the alternative is that i stop being an asshole and i accept using elementary xubuntu or w/e as a name [23:11] haha [23:11] the 24px stop icon is blur [23:12] but it took me already some time to make it like that :P [23:12] hmm [23:12] how come? [23:12] (but i think they're definately better than the current gnome ones) [23:12] well, w/out the sources i just took the gnome ones and rotated them [23:12] why not just copy the start icon and flip it and change the colors? :] [23:12] which blurred them A LOT [23:12] hmm [23:12] how come? [23:13] they were svg? [23:13] which i fixed quite great in the 22Px and 16px ones, but which i dont seem to manage to fix more for the 24px [23:13] png [23:13] OH [23:13] there's no xcf or svg [23:13] its not even open source [23:13] gosh?! [23:13] * kwwii hits the minibar [23:13] can we modify them then? [23:13] if apt-get sources returns a damn package without the SOURCE, then its not open source x_x [23:13] kwwii, have a good drink [23:13] SiDi, lol [23:14] SiDi, which pkg is that? :P [23:14] its a SOURCE package of course [23:14] nothing better than a beer which costs 10 pounds [23:14] kwwii, OUCH. [23:14] kwwii, i think i'll have some rum [23:14] actually, it is more like 6, but that is still crazy expensice [23:14] i think i'll go bed [23:14] SiDi, night :P [23:14] actually, I think I will pop open a vodka [23:14] night SiDi [23:14] gotta wake up in 6 hours for a signal transmission mathematics course... [23:14] kwwii, sounds like a normal price for beer in my standard bar [23:15] knome: thats so damn expensive :P [23:15] SiDi, but it's beer. ;) [23:15] SiDi, and only money. ;) [23:15] knome: feel free to try to make a better 24px icon btw ;) basically i just turned the icon, made it sharper, and then darkened it a little bit in gimp [23:16] (andi still think photoshop >>>>>> gimp) [23:16] SiDi, hmpf. [23:16] SiDi, i think we might try to get THE sources [23:16] i think you should try w/e art channel exists in gimp.net then [23:16] ts the gnome hideout [23:17] Ok, time to go now :X [23:21] hmm, my captain morgan is clearly running out