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pittiGood morning07:14
didrockshey pitti07:18
pittibonjour didrocks! comment vas-tu?07:18
didrockspitti: Gut, Danke schön. Wie geht's? :)07:19
pittididrocks: tres bien, merci!07:29
pittiso, new GNOME today then?07:30
pittididrocks: do you know, did seb128 ever get to auto-updating versions.html again?07:30
didrockspitti: no, I guess it's still need some love07:34
didrocksand yeah, ready for new GNOME \o/07:34
didrockspitti: vte has some ABI and API breakage, do we keep the old one or rebuild all reverse dep?07:35
pittiugh, some 30 rdepends07:35
pittiis it part of the GNOME release?07:35
didrockspitti: I don't really know if it's an official module or not07:38
didrockslet me have a look if I can find it07:38
pittiit doesn't have a GNOMEish version number07:39
didrocksyeah, but I am not sure that all official modules should have one07:39
didrockspitti: it's on http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyseven/Desktop07:41
didrocksin "Current Modules"07:42
Amaranthhmm, does bdmurray have a new nick or has he just been gone a while?07:44
didrockswell, coffee time. We will discuss that with seb, right? (30 rdepends... :/)07:44
Amaranthsounds like a good way to waste a day :/07:45
Amaranthhey mvo08:00
didrockspitti: can you launch another versions.py in another host (karmic one, if possible)? (I can setup it on my personal server if needed)08:06
mvohey Amaranth08:06
mvoAmaranth: how is compiz looking today?08:06
didrockshey mvo and Amaranth :)08:06
Amaranthmvo: waiting on maniac's approval to get constrain_y implemented in wobbly and resize08:07
Amaranthotherwise libcompizconfig git has a fix for the crash when you start with LANG=08:07
Amaranthdidrocks: howdy08:07
Amaranthmvo: still can't figure out bug 430981 though08:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 430981 in compiz "keybindings not remembered on reboot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43098108:08
mvoAmaranth: cool, thanks for the work on contrain_y !08:08
Amaranthmvo: actually cornelius did it :P08:08
Amaranthall I did this weekend if add a failsafe gnome session to gdm08:09
mvoAmaranth: oh, well :) still thanks :)08:09
seb128hey there08:53
didrockshey seb128, ton week-end s'est bien passé?08:53
seb128bah some of the french translators seem angry enough with the software store naming to be wanting to change distro now08:53
asacMAJOR constructions at my house!!08:53
seb128didrocks, lut, oui, toi?08:54
seb128asac, hey, how, what sort?08:54
didrocksseb128: très bien, merci :)08:54
didrockshey asac08:54
didrocksseb128: Bruno Patri fait parti du lot?08:54
seb128didrocks, oui08:54
seb128they say that the name is impossible to translate without having a title suggesting it's a commercial application08:55
seb128and that canonical just to enforce it to sell software over the community rather than promoting free softwares08:55
asacseb128: the sort of construciton where you want t ohide08:55
asacmajor hammering all the time ;)08:55
seb128asac, run ;-)08:56
seb128asac, where do you work from?08:56
asachome ;)08:56
didrocksasac: push your Hi-Fi on fire :)08:56
asacdidrocks: thats not enough08:56
asaci have to find some other place08:56
asacnot sure where08:56
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone09:04
seb128hey chrisccoulson09:08
chrisccoulsonhey seb12809:08
chrisccoulsondid you have a good weekend?09:08
chrisccoulsonyeah, not too bad. just did a bit of ubuntu stuff, and relaxed quite a lot as well09:10
chrisccoulsoncatching up on sleep!09:11
seb128catching up on sleep is always good ;-)09:12
chrisccoulsonit is, and i need to do lots of that now!09:13
chrisccoulsonbecause there will be no opportunities for sleep in a few weeks;)09:13
Amaranthyay, I got all the firefox-lp-improvement scripts working on chrome09:14
Amaranththe stock replies one is an evil hack though09:14
Amaranthsince I don't have cross-site XMLHttpRequest09:14
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AmaranthI suppose it'd work with epiphany now though09:15
chrisccoulsonwe need a greasemonkey script to turn off the redirect for bug reporting now ;)09:15
chrisccoulsonthat's so annoying09:15
chrisccoulsonseb128 - it breaks http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/versions.html too09:15
seb128chrisccoulson, the links you mean?09:16
Amaranthdoable very easily I think09:16
chrisccoulsonyeah, it just takes you to the wiki now09:16
seb128btw it's http://piware.de/workitems/desktop/karmic/versions.html now09:16
seb128pitti just moved it to its server when it's working09:16
chrisccoulsonthanks, yeah, i just noticed the link wasn't working09:17
pittihey chrisccoulson, good morning09:17
chrisccoulsongood morning pitti09:18
seb128hey njpatel09:19
njpatelhey seb12809:20
seb128pitti, can you bzr pull versions?09:22
seb128I added a no-redirect to urls to open workflow bugs09:23
pittiI have quite a large bzr diff now, I'll reduce that first09:23
seb128pitti, danke09:24
pittiseb128: can you please commit http://paste.ubuntu.com/275117/ ?09:24
pittiseb128: oops, please drop the "print"09:24
pittibut it needs lazr.restfulclient now09:24
seb128pitti, it's in ubuntu-desktop you should be able to push09:24
pitti(bzr get lp:lazr.restfulclient)09:24
pittiseb128, didrocks: mind if I drop the automatic calling of setup-launchpadlib?09:26
seb128any reason?09:26
pittiit's unexpected magic unsuitable for cron, and it hides other import errors like the old httplib or missing pkg-resources09:26
seb128I'm fine with dropping it09:27
seb128it's easy enough to run by hand09:27
chrisccoulsonpitti - i did the g-s-t update last night, but i went with dropping services-admin altogether rather than splitting it in to a new pacakge09:27
pittichrisccoulson: thanks09:27
chrisccoulsonno problem!09:27
pittione thing less to shoot yourself in the foot09:27
seb128did you drop services-admin too?09:27
seb128I read users-admin for some reason09:28
seb128good move ;-)09:28
chrisccoulsondholbach spotted a mistake though - my update drops a dependency on system-tools-backends because the branch was not up-to-date before i started it;)09:28
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, i thought we should drop services-admin now, as it's pretty useless with upstart09:28
chrisccoulsoni always thought it was useless anyway, but it's more useless now ;)09:28
seb128not only useless but it can break your system and it's not new09:29
seb128ie we got quite some bugs about people turning down gdm or dbus there09:29
pittiseb128, didrocks: ok, I committed my stuff to versions bzr09:30
chrisccoulsonyeah, it will be good to get rid of it then09:30
seb128pitti, thanks09:30
pittimy work dir on my server is clean now09:30
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seb128Laney, hey, should the new f-spot go the karmic?09:32
didrockspitti: great ;)09:33
Amaranthseb128: did you see bug 432945?09:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 432945 in gdm "add failsafe option" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43294509:35
seb128it's monday morning and I've a backlog of 360 bug emails from the weekend still to go09:36
seb128will have a look later09:36
Amaranthalright, branches are ready to go though :)09:36
seb128I've to look at making sure those entries are translatable too09:37
seb128I've the feeling they are not right now09:37
Amaranthseb128: they are, the .desktop files have _Name and gdm grabs the localestring09:37
seb128ok good09:37
chrisccoulsonAmaranth - i saw your gnome-session patch09:37
Amaranthupstream doesn't know what they want to do to get failsafe09:38
chrisccoulsoni assume compiz looks at that environment variable?09:38
Amaranthchrisccoulson: yeah09:38
chrisccoulsonbecause compiz will still start in failsafe09:38
chrisccoulsonAmaranth - cool09:38
chrisccoulsoni wasn't sure:)09:38
Amaranthchrisccoulson: but the failsafe session also disables metacity compositing, nm-applet, gnome-power-manager, bluetooth-applet, user login items, etc09:39
AmaranthIf failsafe doesn't login for you your X is broken :P09:39
chrisccoulsonAmaranth - how does the failsafe disable metacity compositing (ie, how does it know that the session is failsafe)?09:39
chrisccoulsonis it using the same method?09:39
Amaranthchrisccoulson: If you only apply the gnome-session half of the patch gnome-session still starts normally, it ignores the -f option09:40
AmaranthI believe so, let me check09:40
Amaranthhmm, nope09:40
Amaranthmaybe gnome-session does something09:40
AmaranthI'm pretty sure it disables metacity compositing, anyway :P09:41
chrisccoulsonAmaranth - i've got a funny feeling that gnome-session passes an extra argument to it09:41
chrisccoulson(or at least that's what i thought)09:41
Amaranthexcept compiz starts metacity in this case09:41
Amaranth/usr/bin/compiz, that is09:41
AmaranthMaybe metacity compositing was just broken, I dunno09:42
AmaranthIt didn't turn on until I restarted metacity09:42
Amaranthis anyone still seeing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/430981 ?09:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 430981 in compiz "keybindings not remembered on reboot" [High,Confirmed]09:48
Amaranthfor me and one other person the bug has gone away09:48
seb128I didn't try09:50
seb128new edge layout is not so nice09:50
seb128the sidebar takes almost as much space and the comments09:50
Amaranthnot here09:51
asacseb128: how is ephy greasemonkey supposed to work?09:52
asacjust click on the .js and it installs it?09:52
seb128right click on it and pick install in the menu09:52
seb128ie go on http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/, right click on bugtriage.user.js  and select the first entry09:53
asacok thtas still broken ... adblock works09:53
asaclet me check09:53
asaci get a GTk warning about GTK_BIN cast failing09:53
seb128is there a way to increase launchpad font size in firefox?09:54
asacweb_view = WEBKIT_WEB_VIEW (gtk_bin_get_child (GTK_BIN (gtk_bin_get_child (GTK_BIN (embed)))));09:54
asacseb128: ctrl + ;)09:54
asacit should remember it somehow09:54
mac_vah asac bet me to it ;p09:54
seb128it doesn't in a consistent way apparently09:54
seb128ie it's by page not cross launchpad09:54
Amaranththose should all work in epiphany, they work in chrome09:56
Amaranththe stock replies one is a bit hacky and for some reason adds all the replies twice though09:56
Amaranthbut it works :)09:56
Amaranththe karma one actually works better than the original even in firefox, the karma pages changed on edge09:56
asacok found the fix for greasemonkey09:57
Amaranthit seems only firefox and IE8 support the new standard for cross-domain xmlhttprequest so I had to work around that in the stock replies script09:59
asacAmaranth: thats odd. firefox 3.5 or 3.0?10:09
Amaranthasac: firefox 310:09
Amaranthasac: GM_xmlhttprequest works around it because extensions don't have such a limitation10:10
Amaranthbut of course other browsers don't have GM_xmlhttprequest and they also don't implement cross-domain XHR so... stuck10:10
asacbut ephy uses same webkit10:10
asacerr gecko ;)10:11
asacdo other browsers have greasemonkey at all?10:12
* asac notices that you mentioned IE10:12
asacpackages with control.in are a mess ;) ... they should at least warn if the control timestamp is newer than the control.in before overwriting it10:13
hyperairthey should have a control rule in debian/rules imo10:14
seb128pitti, any idea where to reassign bug #433363?10:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 433363 in gvfs "usb flash device fails to mount" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43336310:19
seb128the mounting fails on "can't read superblock"10:19
pittiseb128: oh, btw, CDs work again10:19
pittiseb128: will look10:19
seb128pitti, oh nice, where was the bug?10:20
pittiudev regression in blkid invocation10:20
Laneyseb128: yeah10:20
seb128Laney, ok thanks10:20
seb128pitti, danke10:20
LaneyI think the flickrnet transition is complete10:20
Laneyso we should do that too imo10:20
Laneyyou undid it for the previous f-spot release iirc10:21
seb128Laney, we are synced with debian at the moment10:21
Laneyoh alright10:21
Laneystraight sync then10:21
chrisccoulsonhey seb128 - you done any investigating on this gnome-keyring issue?10:24
seb128chrisccoulson, hey, no I didn't but I guess it's due to the previous changes to fix crash at shutdown10:25
seb128they might try to clean things now rather than just closing10:25
chrisccoulsonyeah, i'm not sure yet. i noticed last night when i shut down that i got an error dialog from gnome-keyring-daemon pop up briefly before the desktop went away10:26
chrisccoulsonbut i didn't catch the text in it10:26
seb128never noticed that10:26
chrisccoulsonbut that might be a clue if i can get it to appear again10:26
pittichrisccoulson: FYI, DK-disks 007 and new gdu are in karmic; I thought you needed that for something10:26
chrisccoulsonpitti - thanks. yeah, that fixes the annoying smart notifications10:26
Amaranthbuying a new disk fixes them too ;)10:28
davmor2pitti: there is a ubuntu-bug scheme for audio isn't there?10:28
pittinot yet10:28
pittiseb128 wrote the beginnings of it in the totem hook10:28
davmor2ah okay :)10:28
chrisccoulsonAmaranth - my disk is fine though ;)10:29
chrisccoulsonit just has a few re-allocated sectors10:29
chrisccoulsonno big deal:)10:29
Laneyhow do I use symptom bug reporting?10:29
Laneyoh I thought there was one for audio10:31
seb128Laney, totem has one which run aplay, paplay, gst-launch to play audio10:33
seb128and which checks that some volume is set10:33
mptmvo, for 2.0, would it be reasonable to calculate the dependencies for any package whenever you went to the individual screen for that package? How fast would that be?10:34
LaneySomeone in another channel is seeing no sound device in their volume control10:34
Laneythought that it would be a good case for symptom reporting10:34
* Laney has no idea which package. alsa-base?10:35
seb128Laney, there is no audio hook right now out of totem I think10:36
seb128Laney, it's probably a linux or alsa-base bug issue10:36
chrisccoulsonpitti - i think i solved the pygda depending on python2.5 issue that i mentioned briefly on friday10:45
chrisccoulson(well, seb128 hinted at the issue and I think I've got a way to work around it)10:46
mvompt: calulating them in what way? as if it would get installed?10:47
mptmvo, calculating the amount of extra disk space required10:47
mpt_mvo, sorry, I missed your answer if there was one10:57
mvompt_: that is possible and should not cause too much grief, but it will require some magic to ensure that its always consistent depending with the running transcations and the ones that got canceled in between etc10:58
mvompt_: more after lunch10:58
asacseb128: extensions-more doesnt work yet. seems not to harm either except that it depends on << 2.26+ at11:01
asacthe moment11:01
asacso would hold upgrades back if installed11:01
seb128dunno what this thing is11:01
seb128I never used or touched it, I think that's a debian thing11:01
asacok to loossen the depends ... which would practically disable them for users11:01
asacseb128: those are python extensions ... which doesnt work yet with new extensions from what i can see11:01
asace.g. no python extension support avail atm11:01
mpt_thanks mvo, I just needed that info for a bug report discussion :-)11:01
seb128I don't think it's important to have in karmic11:02
mac_vmpt_: added a mockup for the "departments need mouse-over" bug :)11:02
kwwiiTheMuso: good evening...did you get a chance to look into adding the funcationality of setting a theme in gdm?11:05
seb128changing the gdm theme should only be setting the background gconf key11:07
kwwiiseb128: we want to set a gtk and metacity theme as well11:10
seb128same reply11:10
kwwiiseb128: right, but afaik that doesn't work yet11:11
seb128why not?11:11
chrisccoulsonit does - i'm using a custom theme at home11:11
seb128you maybe didn't try to change for the right user11:11
kwwiiseb128: I have no idea....I have asked everyone to understand which gconf key to set to make it work11:12
seb128not sure if the code reading those keys run as gdm user11:12
kwwiiseb128: I couldn't find any info at all...I did search through gconf for the key11:12
seb128it's a normal gnome-session11:12
seb128it's customisable the same way as a desktop11:13
chrisccoulsonoff the top of my head, the GTK and icon theme keys are under /desktop/gnome/interface11:13
chrisccoulsonthe metacity theme is under /apps/metacity11:13
kwwiiseb128: well, I have been busy working on a new gtk and metacity theme, now I wanted to test it and couldn't figure out how11:13
chrisccoulsonand the cursor theme is under /desktop/gnome/peripherals/mouse11:13
seb128chrisccoulson, for what user did you set it?11:14
kwwiichrisccoulson: do you know if it was done for another user or such?11:14
seb128you can change the system default to test11:14
seb128that will change the default desktop one too though11:14
seb128ie edit /usr/share/gconf/defaults/16_ubuntu-artwork11:14
seb128and run sudo update-gconf-defaults to update the values11:15
kwwiiseb128: for testing that would be enough, thanks...but I still need to figure out how to set it just for gdm11:15
seb128the same way11:15
chrisccoulsonsomething like that11:15
chrisccoulsonseb128 - gdm user11:15
chrisccoulsoni changed the keys with "sudo -u gdm gconftool-2 ...."11:15
chrisccoulsonseb128 - is it possible to set user specific gconf defaults on install?11:15
seb128either it's the gconf keys for the gdm user or for sudo11:15
seb128chrisccoulson, not that I know about in an automatic way but we can hack the postinst for that11:16
kwwiiin my art packages I have never set a gconf key for a specific user11:16
kwwiiI guess this is why I haven't been able to figure it out :)11:16
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, that's what i was thinking11:16
seb128we never had to set gconf keys for users11:17
seb128usually system services don't use gconf11:17
seb128do we want a different background in gdm and on the desktop now?11:17
seb128it would be smoother to have the same image from boot to desktop no?11:17
Amaranththere were some times things would have been easier if we could change users gconf keys :)11:17
Amaranthinstead of hacking /usr/bin/compiz to check keys and modify them11:18
kwwiiseb128: yes, we want the same bg as used in the xsplash11:19
asacseb128: can you check this please: http://pastebin.com/f62af3cc511:19
kwwiiAmaranth: no doubt11:20
chrisccoulsonAmaranth - talking of /usr/bin/compiz changing user gconf keys - it still makes calls to /usr/bin/gconftool doesn't it?11:20
chrisccoulsonbut gconftool doesn't exist11:20
Amaranthchrisccoulson: but seb128 says it should :)11:21
chrisccoulsoni thought it didnt exist on my system when i checked the other day :-/11:21
chrisccoulsonperhaps it did ;)11:21
seb128gconftool does exist11:21
seb128it's an alternative11:21
seb128 /usr/bin/gconftool -> /etc/alternatives/gconftool11:21
pitticurrent version doesn't install it11:22
pittiit only installs it for versions << 2.19.1-211:22
seb128it should install it for new installs and upgrades from this version11:22
pittithen the lt-nl should be "lt"11:23
seb128  [ Loic Minier ]11:23
seb128  * Change the postinst to explicitely install the alternative on install and11:23
seb128    upgrades from << 2.19.1-2.11:23
pittithe 'if [ "$1" = install ]; then' was perhaps meant to do that11:23
pittibut it's bogus11:23
pitti$1 never is set to "install"11:23
seb128ok, feel free to fix it if you know what is wrong ;-)11:23
* Amaranth stabs devhelp11:24
pittihm, is the source gconf or gconf2?11:24
pittiseb128: will do11:24
seb128asac, why do you add a "Replaces: epiphany-browser"11:24
seb128pitti, gconf11:24
seb128pitti, thanks11:24
AmaranthGot a crash I thought may have been caused by the webkit upgrade so I ran it under valgrind all weekend while actively using it for a personal project and it didn't crash once under valgrind11:24
Amaranthso it's a race condition of some sort11:25
seb128you ran something under valgrind for a weekend? brave you11:25
Amaranthsome guy used to run X under valgrind all the time11:26
AmaranthI think he may have gone insane11:26
pittiseb128: ok, building and testing11:26
asacseb128: default templatish. guess can be removed11:27
Amaranthno supported system should ever upgrade from 2.19.x to current anyway so if the fix makes the symlink always install that's fine too ;)11:28
seb128asac, otherwise that looks good to me, I'm just not sure about the conflicts on -data11:28
Amaranthactually it wouldn't matter if they did11:28
asacseb128: ok also made the transistional package arch all11:28
asacseb128: i think the conflicts dont hurt.11:29
asacseb128: we dont have a transitional package for that ... so i thought a conflict might help remove that old one11:29
seb128asac, it does if somebody wants gecko back and do a ppa version or something11:29
seb128autoremove should clean that one anyway11:29
asacwell. then they have to artificially bump the upstream version anyway11:29
seb128or update-manager after dist-upgrade11:29
seb128looks good to me with the arch change and without the Replaces then11:30
Amaranthoh man, I hope no one with the keybindings problem has disabled compiz via appearance preferences to work around it11:30
AmaranthI did so while testing something else and that's apparently when the bug went away for me11:30
seb128Amaranth, some people do ask on bugs to try that11:30
Amaranthunless it's just fixed for everyone11:30
seb128I doubt it11:30
seb128we got several duplicates during the weekend11:31
Amaranth3 people now that had the bug don't have it anymore11:31
seb128some people have been suggesting to try without the desktop effects on bugs11:33
seb128so if that makes any difference ...11:33
Amaranthdunno that it does for sure11:34
AmaranthI'm hoping one of you guys still has the bug and has time for me to feed you packages sprinkled with printf11:34
Amaranthalso, does anyone know if there is any update on the farsight release needed for msn video in empathy?11:35
seb128no idea about empathy, too many things going on and we are far past feature freeze11:35
LaneyAmaranth: Sorry, it went away for me11:37
AmaranthLaney: Did you at any point switch to metacity?11:37
Laneyyeah :(11:37
Laneyswitched back though11:37
Laneydoes that trash some settings?11:38
LaneyI can try with a new user later if you think that would help11:38
AmaranthIt shouldn't change anything except the gnome-session windowmanager key11:38
AmaranthAnd of course it could have an effect on the gconf keys metacity and compiz share but people were having problems with keybindings for compiz plugins so that doesn't seem likely11:39
pittilool: I fixed the alternatives handling in gconf, FYI (you might want to do the same in Debian, I think you introduced the original error)11:39
Laneyoh my problems weren't for compiz specific shortcuts11:39
Laneyrather stuff I set from g-k-p11:39
AmaranthPeople were reporting both problems11:40
AmaranthI think it's time for me to dig out my old beast of a laptop and install jaunty11:40
pittiis there any chance that this was related to the gconftool error messages at compiz startup?11:40
Amaranthupgrade testing sucks :/11:40
Amaranthpitti: Not unless those errors could trash the settings but they just check for gnomecompat plugin and if not found try to add it11:41
Amaranthbut with both the call to check the plugin list and the call to update it using gconftool they would both fail11:41
Amaranthgnomecompat is just commands for screenshot tool and keybindings for those commands and alt-f211:42
chrisccoulsonseb128 - want me to take the g-s-d update?11:45
Amaranthha, I just pulled up a stacktrace and maniac fixed it before I could even mention it11:45
seb128chrisccoulson, yes please11:46
Amaranthhmm, I wish I could do a search for bugs with dupes11:52
seb128Amaranth, what do you mean?11:53
seb128Amaranth, you can sort by number of duplicates11:53
AmaranthCan you?11:53
Amaranthah, so you can11:54
didrocksseb128: I talked to it a little later with pitti, but we didn't decide: vte has an API/ABI breakage. How do we want to deal with it?11:58
tjaaltonI've got a problem with FUSA in jaunty not respecting either AllowLogoutActions from gdm.conf, or the polkit settings (org.fd.hal.power-management.*). what should I do to disable reboot/shutdown from the menu?12:01
chrisccoulsontjaalton - those polkit actions are wrong ;)12:03
chrisccoulsonyou want to change org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.*12:03
tjaaltonoh nice12:03
tjaaltonlet me try those12:04
tjaaltonchrisccoulson: yeah, works.. thanks! the menu still lists them though, but I can live with that12:09
seb128didrocks, they broke the abi and api after freezes? weird12:09
seb128didrocks, did they change the soname?12:09
pitti_hey sabdfl12:10
sabdflhello there pitti_ and desktop lovers12:11
* Amaranth waves12:11
davmor2sabdfl: Hello12:12
Amaranthsabdfl: So I can make the IRC Team happy, what is the name of the next ubuntu release? :)12:12
sabdflLucid Lynx12:12
seb128hey sabdfl12:18
chrisccoulsonwould anyone be interested in a replacement for services-admin for stopping/starting/restarting upstart jobs? (or is anyone working on one)12:19
seb128chrisccoulson, I don't think anybody is working on it12:22
seb128not sure how useful that would be12:23
seb128my gut feeling is that we have higher needs12:23
chrisccoulsonyeah, probably. i'm not sure how many people used the old tool12:23
huatshello everyone !12:30
seb128chrisccoulson, seeing that it only destroys your config I would say almost none12:31
seb128lut huats12:32
seb128asac, gnome-bluetooth 2.28 is out, do you want to do the update or should I do it?12:33
Amarantharg, gtk-window-decorator is crashing inside libwnck in a way that should not be possible12:34
sabdflhi seb, am enjoying the flood of updates after vacation, thank you :-)12:40
seb128sabdfl, you're welcome, another flood coming today with GNOME 2.28 btw12:41
sabdfli saw :-)12:42
chrisccoulsonseb128 - want me to work on making suspend/hibernate work from GDM? it doesn't seem like anyone upstream is working on that12:53
seb128chrisccoulson, that would be nice thanks!12:53
chrisccoulsoni'll sort that then12:53
seb128excellent ;-)12:54
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i've also got a patch for bug 408481 - i'm not sure if you want me to apply it now or wait for upstream to review it12:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 408481 in gnome-session "gnome-session crashed with SIGSEGV in g_main_context_dispatch()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40848112:57
seb128chrisccoulson, apply while doing the 2.28 update I would say12:57
chrisccoulsonseb128 - ok, will do12:57
seb128the change is easy enough to not be an issue12:57
c_kornjcastro: hello. are you around ? I read you mentioned that karmic boots up in 4sec for you using a SSD. would you mind giving more detailed specs about your system ?12:58
\shguys, I have one simple question, where do someone change in karmic the GDM login screen? The old way of System -> Administration -> Login Screen, doesn't give anymore the theme for the login screen...13:07
\shs/where do/where does/13:08
asacseb128: let me do that13:12
asacone second13:12
seb128asac, http://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-bluetooth/2.28/gnome-bluetooth-2.28.0.tar.gz13:12
=== mpt_ is now known as mpt
seb128asac, that was quick, thanks ;-)13:21
kenvandineseb128, can you sponsor bug 340180?13:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 340180 in indicator-messages "Please provide indicator-applet support in empathy" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34018013:27
kenvandineadding the indicator to empathy13:27
seb128kenvandine, will have a look when I'm done with zillion GNOME 2.28 tarball the ten zillion emails from the weekend and the other zillion people who pinged me since this morning ;-)13:28
seb128ie maybe not today13:28
seb128or ask pitti13:28
seb128I'm cracking under load with GNOME 2.28 tarballs today13:28
kenvandinepitti, do you have time to sponsor bug 34018013:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 340180 in indicator-messages "Please provide indicator-applet support in empathy" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34018013:28
kenvandineseb128, understand13:28
pittikenvandine: hey; sure!13:29
seb128pitti, want to do http://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-power-manager/2.28/gnome-power-manager-2.28.0.tar.gz?13:29
pittiseb128: yes, would like to13:29
kenvandinepitti, awesome!13:29
seb128pitti, thanks!13:29
kenvandinepitti, rick has been riding me hard about that one :) /me hears whip cracking noises :)13:30
Laneyseb128: I'll have time for some updates later if you want13:34
seb128Laney, cool, let me know on the chan when you want some13:34
Laneyprobably be about 7 your time13:34
didrocksseb128: no, they should have broken it before the freeze but we didn't update it since. I'll check again this evening, I just did it in a quick run and I'm unsure now13:37
Amaranthok, some more people around13:41
Amaranthany one here suffering from bug 430981 ?13:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 430981 in compiz "keybindings not remembered on reboot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43098113:41
* chrisccoulson wishes there was some documentation for libxrandr13:44
* Amaranth wishes gtk-window-decorator would restart itself when it crashes13:52
chrisccoulsonyou should rather wish for it not to crash in the first place ;)13:55
seb128register it in the session13:55
Amaranthseb128: that's too complicated to do now13:56
seb128Amaranth, right14:00
seb128tarballs are flying today already ;-)14:03
asacgnome-terminal suggests all kind of fonts to me atm14:03
pittikenvandine: can you please say something in jabber?14:04
pittikenvandine: I minimized empathy now and switched desktop, that should give me notifications and entries in i-a, shouldn't it?14:04
pittikenvandine: can you please ping me?14:05
seb128pitti, I can if you want14:05
pittiah, I get the notification14:05
pittiseb128: you pinged twice, or is that a bug? (seb128 and Sebastien Bacher, like icq and jabber)14:05
pittikenvandine: the envelope doesn't change if there are messages14:05
seb128pitti, I pinged on irc, icq and jabber14:06
pittiseb128: merci14:06
kenvandinepitti, ping me14:06
pittikenvandine: meh, I can't open a chat window any more14:06
kenvandinedid empathy crash on you?14:06
pittino, I can open a chat window for seb128, but not for you; clicking just doesn't do anything14:07
kenvandinei hit that a couple times last week, but couldn't repro it reliably14:07
kenvandineif empathy crashes and you have an open chat14:07
pittiworks for everyone but you14:07
kenvandinemission-control-5 needs to be killed14:07
pitti-rw------- 1 martin martin 3570058 2009-09-19 17:20 _usr_bin_nautilus.1000.crash14:07
pitti-rw------- 1 martin martin 1057591 2009-09-21 09:34 _usr_lib_notify-osd_notify-osd.1000.crash14:07
kenvandineor wait a couple minutes14:07
pittilook unrelated14:08
kenvandinei got it a couple times when empathy was crashing constantly14:08
kenvandineit is like MC thinks the chat is still open14:08
* hyperair notes that notify-osd loves to crash14:08
kenvandineif you give it a minute, MC figures it out14:08
pittikenvandine: I killed it, didn't help14:09
kenvandinemy side i bet14:09
pittiheh, placing a call works14:09
Laneyhow complete is adium theme support?14:09
kenvandineLaney, pretty complete14:09
LaneyI have a nice one on my macbook14:10
* Laney will give it a go14:10
tgpraveenLaney: unfortuately only a graphical installer for webkit themees are missing14:10
tgpraveenrest all are there14:10
kenvandineyou can put them in the right place14:10
kenvandineor create a package14:10
kenvandinepitti, ping me14:11
pittikenvandine: can't14:11
kenvandinewell maybe that bug is becoming easier to reproduce :)14:11
kenvandinethat isn't related to the indicator patch though14:12
kenvandinei was getting that when testing voice calls and crashing empathy14:12
tgpraveenkenvandine: if someone calls me on empathy and i am not at my computer and hence miss the call. does indicator-applet store the the call was missed? empathy currently doesnt14:14
tgpraveenand on the bug report for14:14
kenvandineit should stay in the indicator14:14
tgpraveenit the devs suggested maybe something like t-a or notifyosd should store the history14:15
kenvandinethe question is what happens when you select it14:15
tgpraveen*i-a sorry14:15
kenvandinei-a would store it14:15
kenvandineand i think if you select it, it would take you into the call UI14:15
kenvandineso you could call them back14:15
kenvandinebut i haven't tested that14:16
* kenvandine will test that today14:16
tgpraveeni still feel emapthy should store such info and others such situations like someone sends a file to me and i miss that14:16
kenvandinenot sure i agree14:16
kenvandinei would like to know someone was trying to reach me yes14:17
kenvandineperhaps empathy should have some notion of recent activitiy14:17
kenvandineso you could see events you might have missed14:17
chrisccoulsonseb128 - you've been busy today;)14:18
chrisccoulsonthere will be no updates for me to do soon14:18
seb128chrisccoulson, oh don't worry I know how it goes14:18
seb128there will be plenty of upgrades to do14:18
seb128especially that I've sport tonight so I will be away until 7 pm and 9 pm or something14:18
chrisccoulsonthats ok then, i'll try and get some in then ;)14:19
seb128I also let all the non default install tarballs14:19
seb128and some I've no interest in14:20
loolpitti: Thanks, fixed in SVN14:34
pittilool: merci14:37
Amaranthmvo: oh man, you reset unredirect fullscreen windows?14:37
Amaranththere were like 5 or 6 really nasty bugs fixed by turning that off14:38
kenvandinehey rickspencer3114:38
rickspencer31hi kenvandine14:38
Amaranthmvo: maybe we can just set that to true in the compiz-wrapper check for nvidia?14:38
seb128pitti, bug #428115 is fixed in git wait for today's tarball14:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 428115 in gnome-power-manager "Computer no longer locks on suspend or lid close" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42811514:41
pittiuh, why do I suddenly have metacity running...14:52
pitti... and no KMS>.14:52
rickspencer31pitti: do you have gm645?14:53
mvoAmaranth: yeah, I did - based on the report from chrisccoulson that it makes his nvidia very unhappy14:53
pittirickspencer31: yes14:53
Amaranthmvo: yeah, white screen14:53
Amaranthmvo: I've added a patch to enable it in compiz-wrapper when it detects nvidia instead14:53
pittithat's the second time this happens; something at boot doesn't set up i915 correctly or so14:53
pittirickspencer31: hello!14:53
rickspencer31hi pitti14:53
Amaranthpitti: It fails to load intel_agpgart before i91514:53
rickspencer31pgraner mentioned to me last night that he can't get compiz running14:53
rickspencer31and he is running 64514:54
Amarantherr, intel_agp14:54
pittirickspencer31: right, I think I saw sth. like that at boot14:54
pittiseems to be a race condition14:54
seb128hey rickspencer3114:54
mvoAmaranth: ok, thats fine with me14:54
pittiugh, metacity is slooooooooooooooooooow these days14:54
AmaranthI edited /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and added intel_agp\ni91514:54
pittiswitching windows takes ages for repainting14:54
Amaranthuntil someone figures it out :)14:54
Amaranthpitti: You're also running with zero acceleration since UXA depends on drm14:54
pitti(EE) intel(0): [drm] Failed to open DRM device for : No such file or directory14:55
rickspencer31pitti: seb128: kenvandine: team meeting tomorrow?14:55
pittiright, that's probably be it14:55
pittirickspencer31: *slightly confused* sure?14:55
kenvandinerickspencer31, i think we should14:55
seb128rickspencer31, yes, why not?14:55
seb128is this week special in any way?14:55
rickspencer31okay, I won't be there, so who wants to run it?14:55
seb128ah ok14:55
seb128there you go ;-)14:55
* rickspencer31 makes sidelong glances at pitti14:55
seb128rickspencer31, not there for the day? ie no weekly call either?14:56
rickspencer31seb128: right, I think I'll need to cancel everything until Thursday14:56
seb128everything is fine on your side?14:56
rickspencer31I'll try to get ArneGoetje on IRC tonight14:56
=== hggdh is now known as hggdh|afk
rickspencer31honestly, I am a bit concerned about boot experience, and Empathy14:57
Amaranthmvo: ok, pushed14:58
Amaranthmvo: btw, those constrain_y changes were committed to git14:58
pittirickspencer31: I'll put in the new usplash artwork soon, but ATM I'm not really sure how to actually bring usplash back14:58
* pitti reboots; this is ridiculous, brb14:59
rickspencer31btw, I'm at LinuxCon14:59
rickspencer31I can't believe I forgot tomention this15:00
* rickspencer31 kicks self'15:00
mvoAmaranth: aha, sweet - so time for a compiz upload soon15:00
Amaranthmvo: along with a fix for bug 430518 in staticswitcher and bug 414535 in libcompizconfig15:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 430518 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in handleEvent()" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43051815:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 414535 in compiz ""compiz --replace" crash on intel in 'std::logic_error'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41453515:00
* \sh would really like to switch gdm themes...but invane..the functionality is just gone somehow15:01
Amaranthhe even mentions it in the commit :)15:02
james_wurgh, gir-repository isn't very archive friendly, is there a plan to do anything about that soon?15:02
Amaranth\sh: themes? what themes?15:02
\shAmaranth: the gdm login screen ;)15:02
pittiback, that's better15:02
Amaranthjames_w: Once all the gir work is done the idea is to ship those with the projects they deal with15:02
Amaranth\sh: there are no themes15:02
james_wAmaranth: yes, I know, I wondered if there was a timeline for that15:03
Amaranth\sh: except for changing the GTK+ theme and changing the background15:03
\shAmaranth: yes...but I have now xubuntu on it...I want to have gnome back ... so System -> Admin -> Login Screen doesn't work anymore15:03
james_wit's a bit of a release issue15:03
\shAmaranth: yes that's it :)15:03
Amaranthjames_w: last I heard it was... some day15:03
Amaranthjames_w: not any time soon15:03
james_wAmaranth: right, so I'm asking if there is a plan to do a split source or anything15:04
Amaranthjames_w: upstream?15:04
* Amaranth is lost15:04
james_wno, Ubuntu15:04
james_wif upstream isn't ready then they are not ready15:04
Amaranthjames_w: what's wrong with it now?15:07
james_wsomething in main depends on it15:07
james_wand it build-depends on every component that it has information for15:07
Amaranthah, but it pulls in a bunch of junk15:07
james_wso that have the information for one thing in main we need to promote everything15:07
james_wso it's an archive consistency issue15:07
james_wwhich makes it more pressing for Ubuntu15:08
mptmvo, victory, just sent the apt: URL redirector + screenshot proxy RT15:08
\shbah..please dear gnome, don't tell me GDM stuff is only changeable via gconf?15:08
Amaranth\sh: and only if you start gconf-editor inside gdm or use sudo -u gdm gconftool-215:09
Amaranthit's really not supposed to be user themeable, I don't think15:09
\shAmaranth: well...so after the mess with the {x}ubuntu-default-settings last week ro so...someone is really lost15:10
mvompt: great15:10
seb128the new gdm doesn't allow to change half of what the old allowed15:15
seb128don't look for xml themes or that sort of things they are not there15:15
\shseb128: right..I was just wondering if there is a replacement "Login-Screen" UI for the old behaviour15:16
seb128what old behaviour?15:16
\shseb128: e.g. changing the background via System -> Admin -> Login Screen15:16
seb128no, the tool right now allows to change the autologin or timed login option and that's about it15:17
seb128upstreams want to have the background setting to be a "set system default" option in the appearance capplet15:17
* asac off some NM testing15:18
\shseb128: and where do i change the greeter stuff? without running sudo -u gdm gconftool-2 ?15:18
seb128you don't15:19
Amaranthwtf, my Post Comment button is missing launchpad :/15:22
pittikenvandine: hm, it seems it doesn't auto-open conversation windows any more?15:24
pittikenvandine: by and large this change feels pretty buggy :-(15:24
kenvandineauto open?15:24
Amaranthah, user scripts screwing up with new edge layout15:24
kenvandineshould only open them when you select it15:25
pittikenvandine: oh, the previous version didn't either, right15:25
* kenvandine would hate that :)15:25
pittikenvandine: I think what I meant is that there's nothing in the panel any more which tells me an incoming message15:25
pittibefore I just clicked on the empathy icon15:25
kenvandineit should be in the indicator though15:25
pittinow it'S completely silent15:25
pittikenvandine: yes, but I don't see that in the panel15:25
kenvandinewe need to fix the green dot15:25
pittikenvandine: there is no green dot any more :-(15:26
kenvandinei am working on that now15:26
kenvandineit is a new property in libindicate15:26
kenvandinei am adding it15:26
pittii-a-session says I'm offline, and the envelope never changes shape15:26
pittiah, ok15:26
kenvandinepitti, yeah... we need to beat on tedg about that one :)15:26
kenvandinetedg, what is up with the status in indicator-applet-session?15:27
kenvandineseems to be working less than it was a week ago15:27
kenvandineand i still see no icons15:27
tedgI'm not sure why you see no icons.  I haven't investigated that.15:28
kenvandinetedg, nobody does :)15:28
tedgWhat's the issue with it not working as well as a week ago?15:28
tedgkenvandine: Nobody has icons, or nobody understands why you don't?15:28
kenvandinewell a week or so ago, i could kill the applet after empathy started15:28
kenvandineand it would get my status15:28
kenvandinenobody seems to have icons15:29
tedgkenvandine: srsly?  (/me is trying to be hip)15:29
kenvandineand the status is grayed out15:29
kenvandineyes... we talked about this last week :)15:29
seb128works here but I'm not uptodate15:29
seb128I expect is not one of ted's component which changed15:30
kenvandinedoesn't work in a clean VM15:30
seb128rather the icon theme or something15:30
seb128well I've all the dxteam tarballs uptodate there15:30
seb128but not the rest of the distro15:30
kenvandineso you see status icons?15:30
kenvandinea fresh install with all updates does not15:31
kenvandineoh... could it be the menu icons thing?15:31
tedgkenvandine: I dont' expect Empathy using MC5 only to work.  Only if you have MC4.15:31
tedgkenvandine: Do icons show up in a guest session?15:31
kenvandinenot sure... but they don't show up in a pristine VM15:31
kenvandinewhich should be the same thing15:31
kenvandinewe actually just had this problem in gwibber, the throbber wasn't appearing because of the change to hide menu icons15:32
tedgHmm, okay.15:32
kenvandinecould that be it?15:32
tedgOh, yeah, if menu icons are hidden, they will get hidden.15:32
Amaranthkenvandine: If that was the case seb128 wouldn't see icons either15:32
kenvandinewell that is the default15:32
kenvandineAmaranth, unless he has overridden that setting15:33
Amaranthhmm, I suppose15:33
kenvandinetedg, you can set a property to make sure they are displayed15:33
seb128are we speaking about the icon on the panel or the submenu ones?15:33
tedgkenvandine: Yes, but if people want things to be sparse, it seems like those should be too.15:33
Amaranthgtk_image_menu_item_set_always_show_image ()15:33
tedgseb128: Submenu15:33
seb128oh ok15:34
seb128but those are not objects15:34
seb128they should not have icons always displayed15:34
tedgseb128: Yes, but they are a "key" for figuring out the panel icon.15:34
seb128well the panel icon is working there15:34
Amaranthalso "always-show-image" property15:34
kenvandineseb128,  i think the design team wants them displayed15:34
kenvandinei am getting the panel icon15:34
seb128kenvandine, on what basis?15:34
Laneyooh, new gwibber15:35
mac_vseb128: i thought mpt mentioned that the status icons were exceptions15:35
Laneykenvandine: does the message area resize properly now?15:35
seb128that whole object should have icons is just confusing to me15:35
Amaranthseb128: On the basis that he said so? ;)15:35
kenvandineyou mean the editor?15:35
Laneythe list of messages15:35
kenvandinenot sure if that was fixed15:35
seb128tedg, btw some people suggested that inkspace was not usable without icons ;-)15:35
AmaranthYou mean the bug where gwibber is always vertically maximized?15:36
tedgseb128: I would agree :)15:36
mptseb128, it'll take a while to get used to which kinds of things should and shouldn't. I think it's reasonable to count IM statuses as objects, especially since you can trivially add and remove custom statuses.15:36
kenvandinetedg, PROP_VISIBLE, is that the old DRAW_ATTENTION?15:36
Laneyno, when you resize the window too large, messages only displayed up to a certain part of it15:36
Laneyso you had an ugly blank area15:37
kenvandineLaney, i haven't seen that15:37
Laneylooks like the canvas wasn't bound to the size of the window somehow15:37
tedgkenvandine: No.  PROP_VISIBLE sets whether the indicator is hidden or not.15:37
Laneykenvandine: I'll get you a screenshot later15:37
seb128mpt, to be honest I've difficulties to get used to no icon, I find way harder to pick a system action now15:37
tedgkenvandine: Draw attention is whether it wants the user's attention.15:37
LaneyI just start it up and resize to the full height of my screen and see it there15:37
mptseb128, what do you mean by "a system action"? Can you give a couple of examples?15:37
seb128mpt, restart, shutdown, etc in the fusa menu15:38
mac_v^ +115:38
mptwell, that's because there are too many of them. ;-)15:38
seb128but since we will not simplify the number of choices for karmic icons would be useful15:38
seb128we can drop those when we have a number of options you can parse from a quick look15:39
mac_vmpt: also the lack of the icons for the System menu[Admin , prefs] seems odd... since the rest of the menu has the icons  , but only those 2 dont have icons! [i understand the reason for the move... But , IMO , it looks odd ... :(15:40
LaneyDoes anyone remember the recent RB discussion about some cover art not showing in notify-osd?15:40
LaneyI can't recall what the problem was15:41
AmaranthAll we have to do is implement this: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/11/21.html :P15:41
seb128Laney, I can find the bug number easily but I'm not sure anybody figured the issue15:41
Laneyseb128: I think it might have been something to do with image size?15:41
LaneyI was going to see if Banshee has the same behaviour15:41
seb128Laney, bug #360228?15:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 360228 in rhythmbox "Rhythmbox album art is blurred in notification bubbles" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36022815:42
* mac_v also doesnt have album art displayed :(15:42
Laneyseb128: not blurred, for some songs which have artwork it isn't displayed15:43
seb128Laney, ok, dunno about this one15:43
mac_vseb128: that bug was actually fixed in notify-osd15:43
Laneythere was some discussion in here, dont know if there was a bug15:43
seb128amazon broke covert fetching15:43
seb128but that should be fixed in the current karmic version15:43
mac_vseb128: Bug #39379715:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 393797 in notify-osd "Feature request : improve the resizing algorithm" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39379715:44
mptmac_v, yes, it does, but we can solve that in other ways.15:44
LaneyNow, on Karmic, the basic problem is still there but covers which no fit the "ratio that have to be fit" simply doesn't appear anymore.15:45
Laneymight be a clue15:45
mac_vmpt: is it really essential to do that now , since we are anyway using gnome3 in the next release ;)15:46
mptmac_v, not for Lucid we're not15:46
Laneyit's not very nice having to special-case notify-osd like that15:46
mac_vhrmm... /me got wrong info from phoronix15:46
mac_vmpt: grrr... >http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzU0NQ15:47
mac_vthey have wrong info!15:47
mptyes, they do15:47
mptreliable source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l02bhwofEqw15:48
dobeypitti, seb128: do you think it would be possible to get a new version of intltool into karmic?15:48
seb128dobey, yes probably what does it change?15:50
Amaranthmac_v: He practically yells "GNOME 2 desktop" :P15:50
mac_vonly now i'm watching this ;)15:50
didrocksAmaranth, mac_v : we have the same wrong info in France. People assuming that GNOME 3 will be in the next LTS without doing any info check :/15:51
* mac_v hates youtube :/ ... too much spam videos with wrong labels15:51
Amaranthdidrocks: It doesn't even make sense though15:52
seb128didrocks, it will be just gnome-shell will not be on by default15:52
didrocksseb128: does gnome-panel will still exists in GNOME 2.30?15:52
seb128GNOME3 is basically a normal GNOME update + gnome-shell15:52
dobeyseb128: bunch of bug fixes mostly. no new features. of particular interest to me though is the python quotes handling fix15:52
seb128didrocks, yes for those who don't have compositing15:52
didrocksseb128: oh great, dunno that15:53
seb128dobey, sounds ok for an update now15:53
dobeyseb128: ok, great. i'll do the work, unless it's super trivial for someone else to do15:53
seb128dobey, should be trivial to do, where is the tarball?15:54
dobeyprobably why sid doesn't have it yet...15:55
dobeythe watch file needs to be updated i presume15:55
seb128that and I guess people who watch the gnome ftp list didn't notice it either15:56
mptAmaranth, even scarier, "Gnome 2.0". :-)15:57
Amaranthmpt: That's probably why people thought 3.015:58
pittidobey: sounds appropriate16:05
dobeyseb128: right16:05
chrisccoulsoni wish people would stop just randomly reopening bug tasks without leaving any comment16:12
seb128yeah, same here16:13
chrisccoulsonit's really annoying, and they generally don't even subscribe to the reports they sabotage either16:14
* Amaranth just helped fix a system that wouldn't boot due to a stale mtab lock file16:14
* Amaranth loses all hope in the linux boot process16:14
rickspencer31Amaranth: is there a bug on that?16:15
Amaranthrickspencer31: I asked him to file one16:15
seb128chrisccoulson, I usually subscribe them when changing back and adding a comment16:15
seb128that's when I'm not lazy16:15
rickspencer31Amaranth: thanks, and thanks for sticking with it16:15
LaneyI had someone called Artur Rona sabotage some of my reports recently16:15
seb128when I"m lazy I just change it back16:16
chrisccoulsonseb128 - that's what i've just done16:16
Laneywhen I emailed him he said "Someone needs to sort out this mess."16:16
chrisccoulsonthe person who just sabotaged the latest report only created a launchpad account yesterday16:16
AmaranthIf someone changes the status on a bug without comment like that I just change it back without comment most of the time16:16
Laneyapparently he didn't like that I had linked Debian reports to my merge bugs16:16
chrisccoulsoni had another user suspended from launchpad last week for sabotaging another report16:16
AmaranthI think lots of times they are just mad the bug isn't fixed _right now_ on their machine and they have to wait for the next release16:17
chrisccoulsonAmaranth - fair enough, but a lot of them don't leave a comment ;)16:17
chrisccoulsoni'd be inclined to think they were doing it just to be a nuisance16:17
AmaranthI would hope the comment above their change is the changelog showing it was fixed so they can check the version but they probably won't even bother16:18
AmaranthI know I've had at least one bug report I've gone back and forth on a couple times because someone didn't have the fix in their stable release16:18
seb128we need a good page explaining why we can't backport every single change to stable16:21
chrisccoulsonperhaps https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates could be improved to explain it16:23
huatsseb128: I am taking care of gucharmap16:25
seb128huats, ok16:25
rugby471mvo, mpt mac_v: hello16:26
mpthi rugby47116:26
rugby471pitti: did you manage to look at that merge?16:26
mptmvo, so, what's the story with bug 396527? What do we need to show?16:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 396527 in aptdaemon "Does not support config file conflicts handling" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39652716:27
pittirugby471: hm, I didn't, sorry; I did not get mail about it for some reason; can you please paste the url?16:27
rugby471pitti: sure16:27
mac_vrugby471: hi... i added a mockup for SS history ;) ... but not sure how it looks , mpt hasnt commented about it ;p16:28
rugby471pitti: https://code.launchpad.net/~rugby471/jockey/fix-386375/+merge/1199016:28
jcastrochrisccoulson: can you send me a mail with a link to some of these messed-with bugs?16:28
jcastrochrisccoulson: I can look into it16:28
rugby471mac_v: I looked at it this morning, it looks a bit complicated, however I am sure it could be modified16:28
chrisccoulsonjcastro - sure. i can remember the last 2 anyway, and the user from the first one has already been suspended from launchpad16:29
jcastrochrisccoulson: yeah I just want to have some examples and bring it up to the lp bugs team16:29
mac_vrugby471: mpt yeah... i think the departments can be grouped together in a combo menu16:29
mvompt: the story is that aptdaemon is not implementing it yet, but its fixed in bzr, so we need a new version of that and a bit of plumbing to connect the dots16:30
pittirugby471: thanks, done16:31
hyperairseb128: could you look at bug #433813 please?16:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 433813 in tangerine "[FFe] Please sync tangerine (universe) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43381316:31
rugby471pitti: thankyou :-)16:31
mptmvo, ok. Do you plan showing the diff for 1.0? Or just an alert with buttons to keep your current version vs. use the package version?16:32
seb128hyperair, acked16:33
hyperairseb128: thanks16:34
mvompt: I think we should have a diff for 1.0, that is what synaptic and g-a-i offer16:34
mvompt: they use a expander for this16:34
mptheh, ok, tall order16:34
rugby471mvo: I have started work on the history section :-)16:34
mptlet me sketch one up16:34
rugby471mvo: I am using elementtree to write a history.xml file16:35
rugby471mvo: and then parsing that :-)16:36
mvorugby471: I saw that in your branch :) post-1.0 unfortunately :(16:36
rugby471mvo: ofcourse :-)16:36
rugby471mvo: and the changes for the dependency dialogs are too much for the ui freexe I think as well16:37
mvompt: "tall order" ?16:37
mptmvo, so you do you plan a single UI Freeze exception request for that and the "matching items" string changes etc?16:37
mvompt: I think that makes sense. its probalby not that much of a issue because we don't have a great deal of translations yet anyway16:38
mptmvo, colloquial expression meaning a challenge.16:38
rugby471mvo: incase you haven't seen the current state of the history, here it is http://videobin.org/+gb/it.ogg16:38
* ccheney will have much faster (~ 4x) upload speeds by next week, hurray16:38
pittichrisccoulson: how much will you get?16:39
chrisccoulsonpitti - that was directed at ccheney wasn't it?16:39
mptmvo, what's the probability of the new path button for 1.0? Zero? Ten percent? Eighty percent?16:39
mvompt: well, we can just use the same dialog as synpatic, it will not be worse than what we had before16:39
* pitti is still stuck with a 0.6 MBit straw16:39
pittichrisccoulson: oops, sorry16:39
pitticcheney: how much will you get?16:40
ccheneypitti: 8m/2m i think, currently i only can get 3m/.5m, i am moving at the end of the week, afaik16:40
pitticcheney: nice16:40
chrisccoulsonheh, that's ok pitti - but you woke me up!16:40
mvorugby471: nice16:40
seb128oh, chrisccoulson is awake16:40
pittichrisccoulson: sorry for interrupting your dreams16:40
* seb128 pushes updates chrisccoulson's way16:40
mvompt: the new path buttons? 1% - sorry but there is just too much other stuff that needs to be done16:40
ccheneypitti: i'll finally get back to the level of access i had 10 years ago, when i worked for a telco, lol :)16:40
rugby471mvo: hehe16:40
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, work time is for catching up on sleep here ;)16:41
mptmvo, ok, that's what I thought, I was just mildly confused by you having worked on it last week. :-)16:41
mvompt: we should have a branch in the ppa for people to play with the shinny, I would love to push out the pathbar stuff, just not release with it :)16:41
mvompt: I like it, it looks just amazing16:41
huatsseb128: I am also taking the gtksourceview16:41
seb128huats, ok16:41
huats(once versions.html is updated :))16:42
mptmvo, indeed it does.16:42
mptmvo, can you think of a reliable way for me to trigger that conf file conflict dialog in Synaptic so I can tweak it?16:42
mpt(see it to tweak it, I mean)16:42
chrisccoulsonjcastro - i just sent you an e-mail with a couple of examples in16:45
jcastrochrisccoulson: sweet. If you ever run into things that break your workflow feel free to ping me with it and I'll bring it up to the lp bugs team. I "collect" issues like this strangely enough.16:46
mvompt: I will make a screenshot for you, give me a sec16:46
chrisccoulsonjcastro - thanks:)16:48
chrisccoulsonthe second example was less disruptive, but the first example has a lot of tasks on it, and the user changed almost all of them16:48
mptMaybe bug supervisors should have a "Revert back to this state" menu item for each element in the history16:50
mvompt: http://people.canonical.com/~mvo/tmp/Screenshot-Untitled Window.png16:54
seb128dobey, is that normal that the new intltool version has no NEWS?16:54
Amaranthmvo: spaces in URL = bad :)16:56
mptAmaranth, it's a Chromium bug16:59
Amaranthmpt: No no, Chromium opens them fine17:00
Amaranthxchat doesn't make links of them correctly17:00
mptAmaranth, I mean, if you copy an URL containing spaces out of Chromium's address bar, it doesn't escape the spaces.17:01
mptWith Firefox, it does.17:01
mptAnd with Epiphany, the spaces already get escaped when it loads the URL.17:01
Amaranthcool, mvo is using chromium too :)17:01
jcastroit's the new black17:01
Amaranthmvo: I made a modified stock replies userscript that (almost) works correctly17:02
Amaranthas long as you don't mind seeing the stock replies twice and don't want to edit them :P17:02
AmaranthDon't try any of the other scripts, edge changed so they just break things17:03
mac_vrugby471: simplified it ;) ... check latest mockup17:04
mptthanks mvo17:05
mac_vmpt: Software store history mockup > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore/Mockups?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=history1.png17:07
mptmac_v, I still don't think it's necessary to get rid of the navigation pane in this section any more than any of the other sections17:09
rugby471mac_v: I like it better, however I don't feel it fits in with the rest of SoftwareStore17:09
rugby471pretty much what mpt is saying :-)17:09
* mvo celebrates rev300 of software-store and calls it a day17:10
mptmac_v, and in the same vein, why use the screenshots -- rather than icons -- to represent applications in this section, but not in every other section?17:10
mac_vrugby471: mpt: we could just add the navigation pane to the left17:10
mptmac_v, also, the blue color is supposed to signify "you're somewhere in the Get Free Software section". :-)17:11
AmaranthHoly crap that feature will be awesome17:11
mpt(though there are a couple of annoying exceptions to that at the moment)17:11
Amaranthmpt: I thought blue meant not installed an white meant installed17:11
rugby471Amaranth: HERE IS THE CURRENT STATE OF THE HISTORY SECTION http://videobin.org/+gb/it.ogg17:12
rugby471oops caps-lock on :-(17:12
AmaranthCruise control for cool and all17:12
mac_vmpt: this section is like a description , and it would be noce to have the screenshot of the app for recall rather than just the icon... the blue was because i used the main section window to do the mockup... nothing specific ;)17:12
mptAmaranth, that's one of the annoying exceptions: If you're looking at an app in the G.F.S. section that happens to be installed, its background is white and should be blue17:12
mvomvo: I don't use the script that much anymore, because they tend to break too much :(17:12
rugby471mpt: are you sure, I thought it was correct17:12
mptI should report a bug about that17:12
Amaranthmvo: you mean me :P17:12
rugby471hehe mvo is speaking to himself17:13
Amaranthrugby471: Not enough emphasis on the installed dates17:13
mvorugby471: histroy> yeah, we need to make sure it can present stuff installed via apt-get in the future too, but its a good start17:13
rugby471Amaranth: you mean in the calendar?17:13
mvoAmaranth: yes17:13
AmaranthReally the best interface would probably be the month/year arrows with a list of days things were installed17:13
mvorugby471: speaking to oneself is the first sign of madness, no?17:13
rugby471Amaranth: I was thinking about that, maybe we will have to write our own gtkCalendar17:14
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rugby471Amaranth: however for a prototype it is okay17:14
Amaranthso the month/year arrows from the calendar widget then "6 items installed on the 12th" "57 items installed on the 16th"17:14
mac_vrugby471: just copy fspot's ;)17:14
AmaranthSo you can say "Oh, that's why my system doesn't boot anymore" ;)17:14
rugby471Amaranth: we might end up going with mac_v and mpt's ideas https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore/Mockups?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=history1.png17:14
Amaranthmac_v: That window title font makes me cry :P17:15
rugby471Amaranth: that is exactly what I was thinking, except by the  it is probably too late :-)17:15
Amaranthrugby471: Live CD recovery tools :)17:15
mac_vAmaranth: meh... the settings were all messed up! since i wanted to use the human theme ;p17:16
Laneywhat's a department in that context?17:16
rugby471Amaranth: true...17:16
rugby471Laney: departments - Office, Graphics, Other etc.17:16
mptrugby471, those aren't my ideas :-P17:16
mptLaney, it's a department store, y'see17:16
rugby471mpt: welll I didn't want to leave you out :-)17:16
mac_vLaney: accessories/games/graphics/...17:16
Laneyoh, I get it17:16
rugby471mac_v: I think the f-spot style widget would be best, however someone has to write the widget in python :-)17:18
rugby471mac_v: so until someone wants to do that, the calender is the next best thing :-)17:18
mac_vmpt:  i'v credited you too in the mockup page ;p17:19
mac_vrugby471: the calendar's main problem is its bulky :(17:20
rugby471mac_v: yep, and too many dates shown that nothing happens on17:20
rugby471mac_v: that's why the timeline is great17:20
rugby471mac_v: but as I said, it needs someone to write it :-)17:21
* mac_v pokes rugby471 to write it ;p17:21
* rugby471 reminds mac_v he isn't that good :-)17:21
* rugby471 finds a treasure trove http://billreminder.googlegroups.com/web/dateslider.py17:22
* rugby471 jumps up and down17:22
rugby471mvo, mpt: mac_v: this is the f-spot slider in python http://billreminder.googlegroups.com/web/dateslider.py17:22
rugby471just need to check with the author whether we can use it17:23
mptrugby471, and the author would need to sign the contributor agreement17:23
mac_vrugby471: IIRC mpt wanted a much prettier slider ;)17:23
rugby471mpt: ofcourse17:23
rugby471mpt: I shall email him now17:24
rugby471mpt: he is an ubuntu user *score!*17:26
Laneyisn't billreminder written by kirkland?17:26
rugby471Laney: dunno17:27
Laneymight be something else17:27
rugby471Laney: but this luiz guy is the one who wrote the widget17:27
rugby471mpt: email sent17:29
mptgood jorb17:30
LaneyIt was divitup that I was thinking of17:30
rugby471mpt, mvo: I have told him to email em back, but if a guy called Luiz starts talking to you you know who it is :-)17:31
rugby471em > me17:31
pittihm, where's software-store nowadays, menu-wise?17:42
pittimvo, seb128: I don't have it any more in apps, and neither in system17:42
seb128pitti, it's pending upload from mvo17:43
mvoseb128: what needs to change in the desktop file?17:43
seb128it's using nodisplay=true right now because that was required in the system menu17:43
rugby471pitti: thanks for that :-)17:43
seb128mvo, you don't read bugs email do you? ;-)17:43
mvoseb128: no :( I'm too busy adding new ones17:43
seb128mvo, I'm half joking when asking that, if email is not a good way to reach you I will note it17:44
seb128mvo, not even assigned bugs using pitti's filtering?17:44
seb128mvo, any it just needs to drop the NoDisplay=true you added recently17:44
seb128they changed their mind about where to display it17:44
rugby471mvo: maybe a rev 301?17:44
seb128it's replaceing the gnome-app-install one in the application menu17:44
mvoseb128: ok, I check the bug and upload a r301 .)17:45
rugby471mvo: Iam currently integrating the history stuff into software-store17:46
mvorugby471: could you create a post-karmic branch for that please?17:46
rugby471mvo: sure17:46
mvorugby471: that makes merging easier for me :)17:46
rugby471mvo: I shall do that and then revert changes in my normal branch17:46
mvorugby471: great, many thanks17:47
mvoseb128: its just the NoDisplay? sorry for the dumb question, the bug is not that clear17:47
seb128mvo, just drop the NoDisplay=true you added a week ago17:47
seb128mvo, sorry about the bug not being clear ;-)17:47
mvoseb128: np - many thanks, I upload now17:48
pittiseb128: ah, thanks17:49
pittiI wondered whether this still uses gksu, or policykit now17:49
pittievand proposes a new usb-creator with PK support17:49
pittiand I think we don't have a lot of gksu stuff left (or any at all, except synaptic)17:50
mptseb128, the awkward thing about that is that it was completely hidden in alpha 6, afaik17:50
mvopitti: ^---17:50
pittimvo: ah, right17:51
seb128mpt, I did the change on friday afternoon, it was in the system menu for alpha617:51
mvobut yeah, other than this it looks very good17:51
mptah, ok17:51
seb128pitti, gdebi17:51
* mvo needs to leave now 17:51
mvothat too17:51
mptrugby471, can the list of applications in a department easily have a separator in it somewhere?17:54
rugby471mpt: sure17:54
mptrugby471, ok, I'm just speccing the 1.0 solution for bug 43281917:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 432819 in software-store "software-store doesn't respect X-AppInstall-AlwaysOnTop" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43281917:55
rugby471mpt: yup I thought so :-)17:55
mptrugby471, which will be: If there are any apps with X-AppInstall-AlwaysOnTop, list them alphabetically followed by a separator, then list all the others alphabetically.17:55
mptProbably you could have guessed that. :-)17:55
seb128ok, time for a sport and dinner break, I will be back in 2.5 hours17:57
seb128everybody feel free to claim updates meanwhile17:57
rugby471mpt: you were saying about how installed software was not marked with a blue background in software-store17:57
rugby471mpt: that has been fixed17:57
seb128anything not upload or claimed on launchpad should be free17:57
seb128and the versions page gets regular updates17:57
mptrugby471, no, that it should have a blue background in the "Get Free Software" section but not in the "Installed Software" section.17:58
rugby471mpt: oh17:58
rugby471mpt: ok17:58
rugby471mpt: horray! the history stuff is working :-)18:00
c_korntedg: hello. I replied to the bug report.18:00
rugby471mpt: now the writing to the xml file has been integrated18:00
c_korntedg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-applet/+bug/433274/comments/318:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 433274 in indicator-applet "indicator-applet does not have an icon in the panel" [Medium,Triaged]18:00
dobeydoh, just missed seb18:02
mptrugby471, bravo.18:02
rugby471gotta do some work now18:02
AmaranthI think there have been at least a dozen seemingly different bugs that have been confirmed as being fixed by disabling unredirect_fullscreen_windows18:07
AmaranthI feel sorry for nvidia users, stupid driver :/18:07
didrocksupdating brasero18:25
huatsupdating bug-buddy and pessulus18:26
huats(gucharmap and gtksourceview2 are waiting for sponsors)18:27
pittigood night everyone18:33
didrockshave good night pitti18:34
didrockstaking gnome-terminal18:43
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* ccheney hopes he is just experiencing jaunty intel driver issues and not actual problem with his system19:03
ccheneylots of weird video corruption :-\19:03
hyperairtry karmic19:04
hyperairi switched to karmic because of all kinds of intel driver issues19:04
ccheneyits either memory corruption or a video driver problem, its dropping weird pixels all over my screen19:04
ccheneywell it is memory corruption period i suppose, but may be driver or memory itself19:04
ccheneyi suppose i should reboot and verify its not my memory with memtest8619:05
* ccheney moved his irc session to another system so he can test it19:08
* Amaranth is burying himself in bug mail19:11
Amaranthstupid launchpad sending bug mail for your own changes :/19:11
dobeywell i would have that problem solved, if the API was available19:11
ccheneylooks like a crap driver issue, or at least not ram, haven't gotten any memory errors yet19:14
cassidykenvandine, hey. Any news about the Ubuntu Adium chat theme?20:35
kenvandinehey cassidy20:39
kenvandinenot going to ship one20:40
kenvandinewe have one, but based it on one that shipped without a license20:40
kenvandineas most seem to do20:40
hyperairadium? or do you mean pidgin?20:45
kenvandinewe contacted the author who volunteered to release it under a friendly license, but then revealed that he had just modified someone else's work...20:45
kenvandineand the original author hasn't responded20:45
kenvandinehyperair, empathy adium20:45
kenvandineso i guess we need to just create something from scratch20:46
kenvandinewhich won't happen for karmic20:46
Zdrakenvandine, sad20:50
Zdrakenvandine, there are no theme with good licence we could install by default?20:51
kenvandineZdra, i think the indicator patch is about ready to be merged into master :) (post 2.28 of course)20:51
Zdrakenvandine, even if not looking like human, but just to get some demo theme20:51
kenvandinei couldn't find any decent ones with licenses20:52
kenvandineif you know of any, i would be happy to package it20:52
kenvandineat least get it into universe20:52
kenvandineadium extras is like wild-wild west20:52
Zdrakenvandine, tbh I would consider no licence like free for all20:53
kenvandinewe can't ship that though20:54
chrisccoulsonwell, that was a long day!21:06
seb128wb chrisccoulson21:07
chrisccoulsonhi seb12821:07
chrisccoulsontime to do some work now:)21:07
Zdrakenvandine, you'll have to see with cassidy for the review of indicator patch ;)21:08
kenvandinehe's tough21:09
chrisccoulsonempathy got indicator support now?21:09
chrisccoulsoni'll have to try that out in a bit21:09
kenvandinerobert_ancell went over it and finished fixing everything from the last review21:09
Zdrachrisccoulson, kenvandine did a patch, not merged upstream21:09
kenvandinechrisccoulson, in karmic21:09
chrisccoulsonZdra - cool21:09
chrisccoulsonthanks kenvandine:)21:10
kenvandineZdra, i really want it upstream after 2.28 :)21:10
* chrisccoulson adds indicator to panel21:10
kenvandinechrisccoulson, i have a couple updates to the patch, adds avatar and the green dot21:10
chrisccoulsongreen dot?21:11
kenvandinewhen you have a new message. anything that should draw your attention to it21:19
kenvandinethere will be a green dot over the envelope21:20
hyperairhmm power manager's not locking my screen when i suspend21:20
hyperairwhy is that, i wonder?21:20
chrisccoulsonhyperair - known issue21:21
chrisccoulsonthat will be fixed in the next gnome-session update21:21
hyperairthat's great21:22
chrisccoulsonthe issue is that gnome-power-manager is not involved when you suspend manually now, and so there is nothing yet which locks the screen21:22
hyperairi figured as much21:22
chrisccoulsonright, g-s-t is ready for sponsoring now:)21:22
hyperairchrisccoulson: is that also the reason for my suspend key not working?21:23
chrisccoulsonhyperair - thats unlikely. your suspend key could be any number of things, eg, not producing keypress events at kernel level, X not using the keyboard device or sending the wrong event etc21:24
chrisccoulsonif you kill g-p-m and run xev, do you see any events?21:24
hyperairi thought it was settings-daemon which grabbed the suspend key21:24
hyperairmy suspend key turns off my monitor's backlight for some reason21:24
chrisccoulsonhyperair - gnome-power-manager grabs that key21:24
hyperairhmm something else is grabbing it21:25
chrisccoulsonif it turns off your monitors backlight, then it might be mapped incorrectly somewhere21:25
chrisccoulsonbest thing is to kill g-p-m and g-s-d and see what keysym it produces21:25
hyperairchrisccoulson: keycode 150 (keysym 0x1008ff2f, XF86Sleep)21:26
chrisccoulsonseb128 - based on the information already in bug 432692, that might actually be fixed by the gnome-session patch i've written21:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 432692 in gnome-session "gnome-session crashed with SIGSEGV in g_timeout_dispatch()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43269221:26
hyperairchrisccoulson: gnome-settings-daemon was grabbing it21:26
seb128chrisccoulson, ok good21:26
chrisccoulsonseb128 - it looks the same from the data there anyway21:27
AmaranthWhy does every crash for compiz that involves nvidia crash inside the nvidia driver?21:28
chrisccoulsonhyperair - just wondering which plugin grabs that key in g-s-d21:28
AmaranthAnd some guy just got done yelling at me for suggesting radeons using fglrx would be better :)21:28
chrisccoulsonhyperair - g-s-d doesn't grab that by default, but you can configure the media-keys plugin to grab it21:30
chrisccoulsonit's not there by default though21:30
chrisccoulsonhyperair - what is the output of gconftool-2 --dump /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings ?21:30
hyperairchrisccoulson: there's a suspend shortcut in the keyboard shortcuts.21:31
hyperairchrisccoulson: i bound that to XF86Sleep21:31
hyperairchrisccoulson: deleting that binding stops the screen blanking21:31
chrisccoulsonhyperair - oh, ok. i would remove that, it doesn't do anything:)21:31
Amaranthchrisccoulson: well apparently it does something now :)21:31
chrisccoulsonthe sleep key handling in g-s-d doesn't work. perhaps i should just patch it to remove it completely21:31
hyperairchrisccoulson: i can't restart gnome-power-manager for some reason.21:32
hyperair** (gnome-power-manager:22706): WARNING **: Either HAL or DBUS are not working!21:32
chrisccoulsonwas it running before?21:32
hyperairit was21:32
hyperairi killed it earlier21:32
hyperairfor some reason it's trying to locate hal21:32
chrisccoulsontried a reboot?21:32
chrisccoulsonhal is still needed for the backlight stuff isn't it?21:33
hyperairno it isn't21:34
hyperairat least i don't think it is21:34
hyperairlast time i went digging through gpm code i saw xbacklight and xrandr things21:34
Amaranthalright, got rid of about 50 bugs in compiz set to New, I think I'm going on bug triage for the day21:34
hyperairoh well. i just started hal and gpm is up again21:34
chrisccoulsonhyperair, FYI gnome-settings-daemon runs "apm xset dpms force off" when you map the sleep key21:35
Amaranthchrisccoulson: in KMS land backlight is all handled through xbacklight21:35
hyperairand my suspend key works now. woo21:35
seb128Amaranth, in case I didn't say it yet, good to see you around and working on compiz again ;-)21:35
chrisccoulsonAmaranth - did g-p-m grow support for that yet?21:35
hyperairchrisccoulson: meh. what's up with that behaviour?21:35
Amaranthchrisccoulson: not sure21:35
hyperairAmaranth: the brightness applet works, and that's part of gpm so i reckon yes21:36
chrisccoulsonhyperair - which behaviour? the sleep key handling in g-s-d?21:36
AmaranthAll I know for sure about KMS and backlights is that my panel backlight can't be adjusted in KMS mode21:36
chrisccoulsonit's redundant functionality there, and should just be removed now21:36
hyperairit could at least bug devkit21:36
hyperairat least suspend would do what it was supposed to do21:36
chrisccoulsoni'll report a bug upstream for that one21:36
chrisccoulsonhyperair - i don't think there's any point in making the functionality in g-s-d work. we already have g-p-m for that21:37
chrisccoulsonit should just get removed, as it's cruft now:)21:37
hyperairi think it would be nice for the suspend key to remain configurable21:37
Amaranthseb128: thanks, it's fun to be able to complain about drivers again :)21:37
hyperaircan't we have the keyboard shortcuts option remain and instead hook up to gpm?21:37
chrisccoulsonhyperair - possibly - but that would need to be configurable in g-p-m really21:37
hyperairhmm yeah21:37
hyperairit would21:37
hyperairfile a bug upstream =D21:37
chrisccoulsonAmaranth - would you mind if i complained about the nvidia drivers?21:38
Amaranthg-p-m could ship a keybindings file and the keybindings capplet would pick it up automatically21:38
Amaranthso long as g-p-m has some option for sleep key in gconf already21:38
Amaranthchrisccoulson: I'll join you21:38
hyperairit doesn't i think21:38
chrisccoulsonAmaranth - do we share the same hatred for nvidia?21:39
Amaranth3 damn years they've known about that bug21:39
Amaranthoops, it's even got my swearing :P21:39
chrisccoulsonyeah, it seriously sucks21:39
chrisccoulsoni wish i could get my money back for crappy drivers;)21:39
hyperairwhat bugs?21:39
chrisccoulsonhyperair - the white screen of death21:39
Amaranthbug 16026421:39
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/160264/+text)21:39
Laneyseb128: got any updates in mind?21:39
chrisccoulsonAmaranth - yeah, thats the one21:39
Laneyfor me to do21:39
Amaranthchrisccoulson: I've had to say it so much in the last hour I memorized it :)21:40
seb128Laney, there is lot to do21:40
* hyperair gets nice beautiful flickers.21:40
hyperairwith nvidia i mean21:40
Laneyseb128: Shall I just pick from the list then?21:40
seb128Laney, yes please21:40
hyperairi seriously don't understand what's gone wrong that can cause an LCD to fliker21:40
seb128Laney, the version page is updated every half an hour again21:40
chrisccoulsonhyperair - thats because we have to enable "unredirect fullscreen windows" in compiz to work around rubbish nvidia drivers ;)21:40
Amaranthhyperair: my monitor shows snow21:40
Amaranthbut I think that's by design21:41
AmaranthIt looks pretty fake21:41
Laneyalright then21:41
seb128Laney, do you prefer to do universe ones?21:41
hyperairchrisccoulson: does that result in flickers when nothing is open?21:41
hyperairchrisccoulson: i.e. even my desktop wallpaper flickers21:41
Amaranthhyperair: monitor flickers or flickers where you wallpaper shows and nothing else?21:41
chrisccoulsonhyperair - it should only be flickers with fullscreen stuff21:41
hyperairmore like everything21:41
Amaranthok, that's just bad timing on the video out21:41
Laneyseb128: not really, I'd rather help get the main ones out of the way21:41
hyperaireverything flickers21:41
* hyperair usually runs that computer headless21:42
chrisccoulsonAmaranth - my monitor shows snow when i've been awake for a long time ;)21:42
Amaranthnvidia: failing at VESA for over 5 years21:42
hyperairflickers drive me nuts21:42
seb128Laney, ok excellent so just pick on the page and maybe announce what you do on the channel too to avoid conflicting during the half an hour upgrade time21:42
Amaranth(time made up)21:42
seb128session restart after dist-upgrade brb21:43
* hyperair => bed21:43
Amaranthchrisccoulson: The funny thing is when I told people they had nvidia so they were going to keep getting flicker they immediately went to nvnews and opened a thread about nvidia being slow when that option is disabled21:43
Laneykklimonda: I just saw transmisson, can we merge with debian on that one?21:43
Amaranthchrisccoulson: They completely ignored the reason I said the option was staying enabled21:43
Laneynot necessarily for this upload, but I saw that they have 1.75 in sid now21:43
chrisccoulsonAmaranth - i've not been on to nvnews for a while. i think the last time i went on there it was just full of users complaining about the same issues21:44
Amaranthchrisccoulson: that's why I told aaronp about the white windows directly on IRC and made sure he understood what I was talking about and said he was going to look into it21:45
chrisccoulsonAmaranth - that was probably some time ago though wasn't it? it seems like they've been aware of this issue for a long time21:45
Amaranthchrisccoulson: yeah, that was probably about 3 years ago when he was hanging out in the beryl channel and the driver just started supporting compiz and beryl21:46
chrisccoulsonheh, beryl! i was never brave enough to run that21:47
AmaranthI was actively using my nvidia laptop at the time and ran into the problem about a week after the beta driver with that capability was released21:47
Amaranthyay compiz is below 500 bugs open21:48
Amaranthwhoa someone actually ran valgrind on compiz after I asked them21:49
dyekHi! Is DeviceKit available on Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty? As HAL is deprecated, can my application use DeviceKit API and still runs on Jaunty?21:49
Amaranththis has...never happened before21:49
seb128was that of any use?21:49
seb128dyek, hi, no21:49
chrisccoulsonvuntz_ - you there? would you mind reviewing the patch at gnome bug 590828 when you get some spare minutes? we're getting quite a lot of duplicates of this now:)21:50
ubottuGnome bug 590828 in gnome-session "gnome-session crashed with SIGSEGV in g_main_context_dispatch()" [Critical,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59082821:50
Amarantharg, no, I failed at explaining it21:50
Amaranththey ran `valgrind compiz`21:50
Amaranthso it ran valgrind on the shell script21:50
dyekseb128: OK. What is the best solution if I need ALSA device (appearing, disappearing) notification and targeting Jaunty (and new releases moving forward)?21:51
chrisccoulsondyek - the only real solution if you want it to be backwards compatible is to have both HAL and libgudev support in the source, and #ifdef one of them out at compile time21:52
chrisccoulsonbut thats hideous, which is why a lot of things in karmic are not backwards compatible with the old infrastructure21:53
chrisccoulsonAmaranth - your issue with valgrind and the compiz wrapper script there is a common issue when trying to get users to debug things which daemonize21:54
chrisccoulsonyou forget that if you run GDB on it normally, it will always exit with success;)21:55
dyekAre there DBus signals that enable me to be portable across Jaunty and karmic?21:56
dyekchrisccoulson: Thanks! I read that udev requires root privilege except for the latest kernel. How latest is the kernel version before root privilege is not required?21:57
dyekThanks, seb128, for the response earlier!21:57
seb128dyek, you're welcome21:59
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seb128chrisccoulson, do you plan to look at the gnome-session update?23:03
chrisccoulsonhi seb12823:09
chrisccoulsonyeah, i can do that23:09
seb128chrisccoulson, it's already late you should probably not start on anything you are not working on already ;-)23:09
chrisccoulsonheh, yeah, i'll look at it tomorrow unless you do it in the meantime;)23:10
seb128it will probably be done before your end of day at work tomorrow23:10
seb128robert_ancell has a full day of work before we wake up and then I've a full day of work23:10
seb128we can tackle quite a list ;-)23:11
chrisccoulsonyeah, i wish i had time to do some more ;)23:11
seb128you already do a lot23:12
Amaranthchrisccoulson: while you're in there can you look into my patches? :)23:22
chrisccoulsonhi Amaranth - if I do the update, then I will look at them23:22
chrisccoulsonbut it sounds like it might get done before i get the chance ;)23:22
chrisccoulsonseb128 - if you or robert_ancell work on the gnome-session update, you might want to grab http://bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=14355923:23
chrisccoulsonit *should* fix several LP bugs, although I can't say if it does as I don't know which client the reporters are using which triggers the crash23:24
seb128chrisccoulson, right, I will do23:24
seb128chrisccoulson, btw any clue how to debug unknow clients registered to the session?23:24
dobeyseb128: btw, yes, NEWS is expected to not be there23:24
dobeyseb128: it was superflous and hasn't been updated in a long while anyway23:25
seb128dobey, that's not cool23:25
chrisccoulsonseb128 - not sure. what is it you're trying to debug?23:25
dobeywhy not?23:25
seb128dobey, your component has no ChangeLog, no NEWS, no summary of any change, how do you expect us to decide if that's a candidate for an update?23:25
seb128chrisccoulson, on my desktop I often get the gnome-session dialog about applications registered to the session and not responding23:26
seb128and it has an "unknown software" entry23:26
seb128I would like to know what software is that which is unknown and breaking my logout ;-)23:26
chrisccoulsonseb128 - that's a difficult one. it depends if it is caused by an unresponsive application, or a client that registered an inhibitor earlier on and forgot to release it23:27
dobeyseb128: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~intltool/intltool/trunk/changes ?23:27
seb128dobey, that's nowhere in the tarball23:27
chrisccoulsonseb128 - have you tried running gnome-session with --debug?23:27
seb128chrisccoulson, no, it doesn't happen in a reliable way, I should run gnome-session --debug all the time but it's quite verbose ;-)23:28
dobeyseb128: right23:28
seb128that was just in case you had a tip for debugging those23:28
seb128I will try to get a --debug log next time23:29
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, it does give a lot of output. does ~/.xsession-errors get truncated? I'm just thinking it might be worth running a local build with debug on by default, just to see if anything useful appears23:29
dobeyseb128: do you know a good way to automate that?23:29
seb128chrisccoulson, it should23:29
seb128dobey, no but tedg might they were discussing that sort of things recently23:30
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dobeyalso... i have no idea what the heck git is trying to tell me23:35
dobeyall i want to do is switch back to master23:36
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i fixed the issue i mentioned on friday about python-gda linking against libpython2.523:40
chrisccoulsonor at least i think i have23:41
seb128_oh, nice23:41
seb128_where was it?23:41
chrisccoulsonit seems upstream committed a change to link it to fix a specific issue on windowd23:41
chrisccoulsonso i just reverted the commit ;)23:41
seb128_chrisccoulson, oh ok ;-)23:43
AmaranthOk, got my clean jaunty install setup23:48
Amaranthnow to install drivers and setup bootchart then upgrade to karmic23:48
chrisccoulsoni have to say, this release is looking quite nice now23:50
seb128chrisccoulson, ok, updated gnome-session with your change ready23:59
chrisccoulsonseb128 - thanks23:59
chrisccoulsoni'm just building g-s-d now23:59

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