=== Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [07:14] Good morning [07:18] hey pitti [07:18] bonjour didrocks! comment vas-tu? [07:19] pitti: Gut, Danke schön. Wie geht's? :) [07:29] didrocks: tres bien, merci! [07:30] so, new GNOME today then? [07:30] didrocks: do you know, did seb128 ever get to auto-updating versions.html again? [07:34] pitti: no, I guess it's still need some love [07:34] it* [07:34] and yeah, ready for new GNOME \o/ [07:35] pitti: vte has some ABI and API breakage, do we keep the old one or rebuild all reverse dep? [07:35] ugh, some 30 rdepends [07:35] is it part of the GNOME release? [07:38] pitti: I don't really know if it's an official module or not [07:38] let me have a look if I can find it [07:39] it doesn't have a GNOMEish version number [07:39] yeah, but I am not sure that all official modules should have one [07:41] pitti: it's on http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyseven/Desktop [07:42] in "Current Modules" [07:42] http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/vte/0.21/vte-0.21.7.tar.gz [07:42] indeed [07:44] hmm, does bdmurray have a new nick or has he just been gone a while? [07:44] well, coffee time. We will discuss that with seb, right? (30 rdepends... :/) [07:45] sounds like a good way to waste a day :/ [08:00] hey mvo [08:06] pitti: can you launch another versions.py in another host (karmic one, if possible)? (I can setup it on my personal server if needed) [08:06] hey Amaranth [08:06] Amaranth: how is compiz looking today? [08:06] hey mvo and Amaranth :) [08:07] mvo: waiting on maniac's approval to get constrain_y implemented in wobbly and resize [08:07] otherwise libcompizconfig git has a fix for the crash when you start with LANG= [08:07] didrocks: howdy [08:08] mvo: still can't figure out bug 430981 though [08:08] Launchpad bug 430981 in compiz "keybindings not remembered on reboot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430981 [08:08] Amaranth: cool, thanks for the work on contrain_y ! [08:08] mvo: actually cornelius did it :P [08:09] all I did this weekend if add a failsafe gnome session to gdm [08:09] Amaranth: oh, well :) still thanks :) [08:53] hey there [08:53] *sigh* [08:53] hey seb128, ton week-end s'est bien passé? [08:53] bah some of the french translators seem angry enough with the software store naming to be wanting to change distro now [08:53] MAJOR constructions at my house!! [08:53] hi! [08:54] didrocks, lut, oui, toi? [08:54] asac, hey, how, what sort? [08:54] seb128: très bien, merci :) [08:54] hey asac [08:54] seb128: Bruno Patri fait parti du lot? [08:54] didrocks, oui [08:54] ok [08:55] they say that the name is impossible to translate without having a title suggesting it's a commercial application [08:55] and that canonical just to enforce it to sell software over the community rather than promoting free softwares [08:55] seb128: the sort of construciton where you want t ohide [08:55] major hammering all the time ;) [08:56] asac, run ;-) [08:56] asac, where do you work from? [08:56] home ;) [08:56] asac: push your Hi-Fi on fire :) [08:56] didrocks: thats not enough [08:56] i have to find some other place [08:56] not sure where [09:04] good morning everyone [09:08] hey chrisccoulson [09:08] hey seb128 [09:08] did you have a good weekend? [09:09] excellent [09:09] you? [09:10] yeah, not too bad. just did a bit of ubuntu stuff, and relaxed quite a lot as well [09:11] catching up on sleep! [09:12] catching up on sleep is always good ;-) [09:13] it is, and i need to do lots of that now! [09:13] because there will be no opportunities for sleep in a few weeks;) [09:14] yay, I got all the firefox-lp-improvement scripts working on chrome [09:14] the stock replies one is an evil hack though [09:14] since I don't have cross-site XMLHttpRequest === asac_ is now known as asac [09:15] I suppose it'd work with epiphany now though [09:15] we need a greasemonkey script to turn off the redirect for bug reporting now ;) [09:15] that's so annoying [09:15] seb128 - it breaks http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/versions.html too [09:16] chrisccoulson, the links you mean? [09:16] doable very easily I think [09:16] yeah, it just takes you to the wiki now [09:16] btw it's http://piware.de/workitems/desktop/karmic/versions.html now [09:16] pitti just moved it to its server when it's working [09:17] thanks, yeah, i just noticed the link wasn't working [09:17] hey chrisccoulson, good morning [09:18] good morning pitti [09:19] hey njpatel [09:20] hey seb128 [09:22] pitti, can you bzr pull versions? [09:23] I added a no-redirect to urls to open workflow bugs [09:23] done [09:23] I have quite a large bzr diff now, I'll reduce that first [09:24] pitti, danke [09:24] seb128: can you please commit http://paste.ubuntu.com/275117/ ? [09:24] seb128: oops, please drop the "print" [09:24] but it needs lazr.restfulclient now [09:24] pitti, it's in ubuntu-desktop you should be able to push [09:24] (bzr get lp:lazr.restfulclient) [09:24] ah [09:26] seb128, didrocks: mind if I drop the automatic calling of setup-launchpadlib? [09:26] any reason? [09:26] it's unexpected magic unsuitable for cron, and it hides other import errors like the old httplib or missing pkg-resources [09:27] I'm fine with dropping it [09:27] it's easy enough to run by hand [09:27] pitti - i did the g-s-t update last night, but i went with dropping services-admin altogether rather than splitting it in to a new pacakge [09:27] \o/ [09:27] chrisccoulson: thanks [09:27] no problem! [09:27] one thing less to shoot yourself in the foot [09:27] did you drop services-admin too? [09:27] ups [09:28] I read users-admin for some reason [09:28] good move ;-) [09:28] dholbach spotted a mistake though - my update drops a dependency on system-tools-backends because the branch was not up-to-date before i started it;) [09:28] seb128 - yeah, i thought we should drop services-admin now, as it's pretty useless with upstart [09:28] i always thought it was useless anyway, but it's more useless now ;) [09:29] not only useless but it can break your system and it's not new [09:29] ie we got quite some bugs about people turning down gdm or dbus there [09:30] seb128, didrocks: ok, I committed my stuff to versions bzr [09:30] yeah, it will be good to get rid of it then [09:30] pitti, thanks [09:30] my work dir on my server is clean now === seb128 changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Welcome to #ubuntu-desktop - home of the Desktop team - http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop/ | If you want to help out, check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/TODO or http://piware.de/workitems/desktop/karmic/versions.html | For support please join #ubuntu [09:32] Laney, hey, should the new f-spot go the karmic? [09:33] pitti: great ;) [09:35] seb128: did you see bug 432945? [09:35] Launchpad bug 432945 in gdm "add failsafe option" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432945 [09:35] no [09:36] it's monday morning and I've a backlog of 360 bug emails from the weekend still to go [09:36] hehe [09:36] will have a look later [09:36] alright, branches are ready to go though :) [09:37] I've to look at making sure those entries are translatable too [09:37] I've the feeling they are not right now [09:37] seb128: they are, the .desktop files have _Name and gdm grabs the localestring [09:37] ok good [09:37] Amaranth - i saw your gnome-session patch [09:38] upstream doesn't know what they want to do to get failsafe [09:38] i assume compiz looks at that environment variable? [09:38] chrisccoulson: yeah [09:38] because compiz will still start in failsafe [09:38] Amaranth - cool [09:38] i wasn't sure:) [09:39] chrisccoulson: but the failsafe session also disables metacity compositing, nm-applet, gnome-power-manager, bluetooth-applet, user login items, etc [09:39] If failsafe doesn't login for you your X is broken :P [09:39] Amaranth - how does the failsafe disable metacity compositing (ie, how does it know that the session is failsafe)? [09:39] is it using the same method? [09:40] chrisccoulson: If you only apply the gnome-session half of the patch gnome-session still starts normally, it ignores the -f option [09:40] I believe so, let me check [09:40] hmm, nope [09:40] maybe gnome-session does something [09:41] I'm pretty sure it disables metacity compositing, anyway :P [09:41] Amaranth - i've got a funny feeling that gnome-session passes an extra argument to it [09:41] possibly [09:41] (or at least that's what i thought) [09:41] except compiz starts metacity in this case [09:41] /usr/bin/compiz, that is [09:42] Maybe metacity compositing was just broken, I dunno [09:42] It didn't turn on until I restarted metacity [09:48] is anyone still seeing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/430981 ? [09:48] Launchpad bug 430981 in compiz "keybindings not remembered on reboot" [High,Confirmed] [09:48] for me and one other person the bug has gone away [09:50] I didn't try [09:50] new edge layout is not so nice [09:50] the sidebar takes almost as much space and the comments [09:51] not here [09:52] seb128: how is ephy greasemonkey supposed to work? [09:52] just click on the .js and it installs it? [09:52] right click on it and pick install in the menu [09:53] ah [09:53] ie go on http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/, right click on bugtriage.user.js and select the first entry [09:53] ok thtas still broken ... adblock works [09:53] let me check [09:53] i get a GTk warning about GTK_BIN cast failing [09:54] is there a way to increase launchpad font size in firefox? [09:54] web_view = WEBKIT_WEB_VIEW (gtk_bin_get_child (GTK_BIN (gtk_bin_get_child (GTK_BIN (embed))))); [09:54] seb128: ctrl + ;) [09:54] it should remember it somehow [09:54] ah asac bet me to it ;p [09:54] beat* [09:54] it doesn't in a consistent way apparently [09:54] ie it's by page not cross launchpad [09:54] no? [09:56] http://people.ubuntu.com/~amaranth/greasemonkey/ [09:56] those should all work in epiphany, they work in chrome [09:56] the stock replies one is a bit hacky and for some reason adds all the replies twice though [09:56] but it works :) [09:56] the karma one actually works better than the original even in firefox, the karma pages changed on edge [09:57] ok found the fix for greasemonkey [09:57] good [09:59] it seems only firefox and IE8 support the new standard for cross-domain xmlhttprequest so I had to work around that in the stock replies script [10:09] Amaranth: thats odd. firefox 3.5 or 3.0? [10:09] asac: firefox 3 [10:10] asac: GM_xmlhttprequest works around it because extensions don't have such a limitation [10:10] but of course other browsers don't have GM_xmlhttprequest and they also don't implement cross-domain XHR so... stuck [10:10] but ephy uses same webkit [10:11] err gecko ;) [10:12] do other browsers have greasemonkey at all? [10:12] * asac notices that you mentioned IE [10:13] packages with control.in are a mess ;) ... they should at least warn if the control timestamp is newer than the control.in before overwriting it [10:14] they should have a control rule in debian/rules imo [10:19] pitti, any idea where to reassign bug #433363? [10:19] Launchpad bug 433363 in gvfs "usb flash device fails to mount" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/433363 [10:19] the mounting fails on "can't read superblock" [10:19] seb128: oh, btw, CDs work again [10:19] seb128: will look [10:20] pitti, oh nice, where was the bug? [10:20] udev regression in blkid invocation [10:20] seb128: yeah [10:20] Laney, ok thanks [10:20] pitti, danke [10:20] I think the flickrnet transition is complete [10:20] so we should do that too imo [10:21] that? [10:21] you undid it for the previous f-spot release iirc [10:21] Laney, we are synced with debian at the moment [10:21] oh alright [10:21] straight sync then [10:24] hey seb128 - you done any investigating on this gnome-keyring issue? [10:25] chrisccoulson, hey, no I didn't but I guess it's due to the previous changes to fix crash at shutdown [10:25] they might try to clean things now rather than just closing [10:26] yeah, i'm not sure yet. i noticed last night when i shut down that i got an error dialog from gnome-keyring-daemon pop up briefly before the desktop went away [10:26] but i didn't catch the text in it [10:26] never noticed that [10:26] but that might be a clue if i can get it to appear again [10:26] chrisccoulson: FYI, DK-disks 007 and new gdu are in karmic; I thought you needed that for something [10:26] pitti - thanks. yeah, that fixes the annoying smart notifications [10:28] buying a new disk fixes them too ;) [10:28] pitti: there is a ubuntu-bug scheme for audio isn't there? [10:28] not yet [10:28] seb128 wrote the beginnings of it in the totem hook [10:28] ah okay :) [10:29] Amaranth - my disk is fine though ;) [10:29] it just has a few re-allocated sectors [10:29] no big deal:) [10:29] how do I use symptom bug reporting? [10:31] oh I thought there was one for audio [10:33] Laney, totem has one which run aplay, paplay, gst-launch to play audio [10:33] and which checks that some volume is set [10:34] mvo, for 2.0, would it be reasonable to calculate the dependencies for any package whenever you went to the individual screen for that package? How fast would that be? [10:34] Someone in another channel is seeing no sound device in their volume control [10:34] thought that it would be a good case for symptom reporting [10:35] * Laney has no idea which package. alsa-base? [10:36] Laney, there is no audio hook right now out of totem I think [10:36] Laney, it's probably a linux or alsa-base bug issue [10:36] alright [10:45] pitti - i think i solved the pygda depending on python2.5 issue that i mentioned briefly on friday [10:46] (well, seb128 hinted at the issue and I think I've got a way to work around it) [10:47] mpt: calulating them in what way? as if it would get installed? [10:47] mvo, calculating the amount of extra disk space required [10:57] mvo, sorry, I missed your answer if there was one [10:58] mpt_: that is possible and should not cause too much grief, but it will require some magic to ensure that its always consistent depending with the running transcations and the ones that got canceled in between etc [10:58] mpt_: more after lunch [11:01] seb128: extensions-more doesnt work yet. seems not to harm either except that it depends on << 2.26+ at [11:01] the moment [11:01] so would hold upgrades back if installed [11:01] dunno what this thing is [11:01] I never used or touched it, I think that's a debian thing [11:01] ok to loossen the depends ... which would practically disable them for users [11:01] seb128: those are python extensions ... which doesnt work yet with new extensions from what i can see [11:01] e.g. no python extension support avail atm [11:01] ok [11:01] thanks mvo, I just needed that info for a bug report discussion :-) [11:02] I don't think it's important to have in karmic [11:02] mpt_: added a mockup for the "departments need mouse-over" bug :) [11:05] TheMuso: good evening...did you get a chance to look into adding the funcationality of setting a theme in gdm? [11:07] changing the gdm theme should only be setting the background gconf key [11:10] seb128: we want to set a gtk and metacity theme as well [11:10] same reply [11:11] seb128: right, but afaik that doesn't work yet [11:11] why not? [11:11] it does - i'm using a custom theme at home [11:11] you maybe didn't try to change for the right user [11:12] seb128: I have no idea....I have asked everyone to understand which gconf key to set to make it work [11:12] not sure if the code reading those keys run as gdm user [11:12] seb128: I couldn't find any info at all...I did search through gconf for the key [11:12] it's a normal gnome-session [11:13] it's customisable the same way as a desktop [11:13] off the top of my head, the GTK and icon theme keys are under /desktop/gnome/interface [11:13] the metacity theme is under /apps/metacity [11:13] seb128: well, I have been busy working on a new gtk and metacity theme, now I wanted to test it and couldn't figure out how [11:13] and the cursor theme is under /desktop/gnome/peripherals/mouse [11:14] chrisccoulson, for what user did you set it? [11:14] chrisccoulson: do you know if it was done for another user or such? [11:14] you can change the system default to test [11:14] that will change the default desktop one too though [11:14] ie edit /usr/share/gconf/defaults/16_ubuntu-artwork [11:15] and run sudo update-gconf-defaults to update the values [11:15] seb128: for testing that would be enough, thanks...but I still need to figure out how to set it just for gdm [11:15] the same way [11:15] something like that [11:15] seb128 - gdm user [11:15] i changed the keys with "sudo -u gdm gconftool-2 ...." [11:15] seb128 - is it possible to set user specific gconf defaults on install? [11:15] either it's the gconf keys for the gdm user or for sudo [11:16] chrisccoulson, not that I know about in an automatic way but we can hack the postinst for that [11:16] in my art packages I have never set a gconf key for a specific user [11:16] I guess this is why I haven't been able to figure it out :) [11:16] seb128 - yeah, that's what i was thinking [11:17] we never had to set gconf keys for users [11:17] usually system services don't use gconf [11:17] do we want a different background in gdm and on the desktop now? [11:17] it would be smoother to have the same image from boot to desktop no? [11:17] there were some times things would have been easier if we could change users gconf keys :) [11:18] instead of hacking /usr/bin/compiz to check keys and modify them [11:19] seb128: yes, we want the same bg as used in the xsplash [11:19] seb128: can you check this please: http://pastebin.com/f62af3cc5 [11:20] Amaranth: no doubt [11:20] Amaranth - talking of /usr/bin/compiz changing user gconf keys - it still makes calls to /usr/bin/gconftool doesn't it? [11:20] but gconftool doesn't exist [11:21] chrisccoulson: but seb128 says it should :) [11:21] i thought it didnt exist on my system when i checked the other day :-/ [11:21] perhaps it did ;) [11:21] gconftool does exist [11:21] it's an alternative [11:21] /usr/bin/gconftool -> /etc/alternatives/gconftool [11:22] nope [11:22] current version doesn't install it [11:22] it only installs it for versions << 2.19.1-2 [11:22] it should install it for new installs and upgrades from this version [11:23] then the lt-nl should be "lt" [11:23] [ Loic Minier ] [11:23] * Change the postinst to explicitely install the alternative on install and [11:23] upgrades from << 2.19.1-2. [11:23] the 'if [ "$1" = install ]; then' was perhaps meant to do that [11:23] but it's bogus [11:23] $1 never is set to "install" [11:23] ok, feel free to fix it if you know what is wrong ;-) [11:24] * Amaranth stabs devhelp [11:24] hm, is the source gconf or gconf2? [11:24] seb128: will do [11:24] asac, why do you add a "Replaces: epiphany-browser" [11:24] pitti, gconf [11:24] pitti, thanks [11:24] Got a crash I thought may have been caused by the webkit upgrade so I ran it under valgrind all weekend while actively using it for a personal project and it didn't crash once under valgrind [11:25] so it's a race condition of some sort [11:25] you ran something under valgrind for a weekend? brave you [11:26] some guy used to run X under valgrind all the time [11:26] I think he may have gone insane [11:26] seb128: ok, building and testing [11:27] seb128: default templatish. guess can be removed [11:28] no supported system should ever upgrade from 2.19.x to current anyway so if the fix makes the symlink always install that's fine too ;) [11:28] asac, otherwise that looks good to me, I'm just not sure about the conflicts on -data [11:28] actually it wouldn't matter if they did [11:28] seb128: ok also made the transistional package arch all [11:29] seb128: i think the conflicts dont hurt. [11:29] seb128: we dont have a transitional package for that ... so i thought a conflict might help remove that old one [11:29] asac, it does if somebody wants gecko back and do a ppa version or something [11:29] autoremove should clean that one anyway [11:29] well. then they have to artificially bump the upstream version anyway [11:29] or update-manager after dist-upgrade [11:29] ok [11:30] looks good to me with the arch change and without the Replaces then [11:30] oh man, I hope no one with the keybindings problem has disabled compiz via appearance preferences to work around it [11:30] I did so while testing something else and that's apparently when the bug went away for me [11:30] Amaranth, some people do ask on bugs to try that [11:30] unless it's just fixed for everyone [11:30] I doubt it [11:31] we got several duplicates during the weekend [11:31] 3 people now that had the bug don't have it anymore [11:33] some people have been suggesting to try without the desktop effects on bugs [11:33] so if that makes any difference ... [11:34] dunno that it does for sure [11:34] I'm hoping one of you guys still has the bug and has time for me to feed you packages sprinkled with printf [11:35] also, does anyone know if there is any update on the farsight release needed for msn video in empathy? [11:35] no idea about empathy, too many things going on and we are far past feature freeze [11:37] Amaranth: Sorry, it went away for me [11:37] Laney: Did you at any point switch to metacity? [11:37] yeah :( [11:37] switched back though [11:38] does that trash some settings? [11:38] I can try with a new user later if you think that would help [11:38] It shouldn't change anything except the gnome-session windowmanager key [11:39] And of course it could have an effect on the gconf keys metacity and compiz share but people were having problems with keybindings for compiz plugins so that doesn't seem likely [11:39] lool: I fixed the alternatives handling in gconf, FYI (you might want to do the same in Debian, I think you introduced the original error) [11:39] oh my problems weren't for compiz specific shortcuts [11:39] rather stuff I set from g-k-p [11:40] People were reporting both problems [11:40] I think it's time for me to dig out my old beast of a laptop and install jaunty [11:40] is there any chance that this was related to the gconftool error messages at compiz startup? [11:40] upgrade testing sucks :/ [11:41] pitti: Not unless those errors could trash the settings but they just check for gnomecompat plugin and if not found try to add it [11:41] but with both the call to check the plugin list and the call to update it using gconftool they would both fail [11:42] gnomecompat is just commands for screenshot tool and keybindings for those commands and alt-f2 [11:45] seb128 - want me to take the g-s-d update? [11:45] ha, I just pulled up a stacktrace and maniac fixed it before I could even mention it [11:46] chrisccoulson, yes please [11:52] hmm, I wish I could do a search for bugs with dupes [11:53] Amaranth, what do you mean? [11:53] Amaranth, you can sort by number of duplicates [11:53] Can you? [11:54] ah, so you can [11:58] seb128: I talked to it a little later with pitti, but we didn't decide: vte has an API/ABI breakage. How do we want to deal with it? [12:01] I've got a problem with FUSA in jaunty not respecting either AllowLogoutActions from gdm.conf, or the polkit settings (org.fd.hal.power-management.*). what should I do to disable reboot/shutdown from the menu? [12:03] tjaalton - those polkit actions are wrong ;) [12:03] you want to change org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.* [12:03] oh nice [12:04] let me try those [12:09] chrisccoulson: yeah, works.. thanks! the menu still lists them though, but I can live with that [12:09] didrocks, they broke the abi and api after freezes? weird [12:09] didrocks, did they change the soname? [12:10] hey sabdfl [12:11]