[01:44] <revf> is there any way that I can replace the default desktop rendering with something else? (like, the actual stuff on the desktop)
[01:44] <revf> or is that intrinsic to xfce?
[01:45] <revf> alternately, are there more settings that aren't accessible through the normal settings dialog?
[01:45] <revf> basically the way the grid is set up is just really annoying me
[01:45] <revf> and also the rendering seems really glitchy sometimes
[01:51] <jiohdi> anyone know how to make 7z show up in the menu as part of extract here?
[02:12] <dthacker> hello,   I'm having trouble getting a desktop wireless card to connect.   How can I scan for available networks in xubunt?
[02:20] <ldez1> Anyone in here familiar with Xubuntu for PS3? I'm having some issues with my Sixaxis controller connecting.. I've downloaded sixaxis-gui and dependants, followed a HOW TO online, but I'm still not able to do anything with my controller.
[02:30] <ldez1> In addition to my Sixasis controller not working, I'm also having some problems installing Flash on my ps3 installation.. It's not available in Synaptic like it normally is, and the .deb from Adobe is telling me I have the wrong architecture.. If anyone has any know-how in PS3 Xubuntu, any help would be appreciated.
[02:30] <dthacker> unfortunately, it's pretty quiet
[02:31] <dthacker> I found the problem with my setup.  wireless card was not seated properly
[02:32] <ldez1> Ah, yeah, that'll always cause a problem... As if wireless cards + linux weren't a pain in the butt enough already.
[03:26] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> yo
[03:29] <durt> gee
[03:30] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Are there any freeware virus scanners that can can for windows viruses on a windows partition that will work on Ubuntu? The Trinity Rescue Kit had 5 of them on that livecd
[03:31] <sake_> hi
[03:31] <sake_> will xubuntu karmic have the software store?
[03:32] <durt> It found 5 or there were 5 ON the cd?
[03:32] <durt> sake_, ask in #ubuntu+1
[03:33] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> there were 5 on the cd
[03:33] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I am going to reinstall xp on this desktop
[03:33] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> and want to partition off some small space for xubuntu
[03:33] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> to use as an emergency/recovery os
[03:33] <durt> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, where did you get the iso?
[03:33] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> downloaded it, I cna give you the site if you want it
[03:33] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> its a livecd with a bunch of rescue utilities, msotly virus scanners
[03:35] <durt> clamAV is in the ubuntu repos, I don't think there is a virus scanner on the livecd or the default install.
[03:35] <durt> !clamav
[03:35] <durt> !info clamav
[03:36] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> dosent need to be on the livecd
[03:36] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> since im planning to install it
[03:36] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I heard that clamxv isnt updated much
[03:36] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> and I woudl prefer to have several
[03:37] <durt> ya, clamav is there for you, not sure if there's a gtk based gui for it though, there is a kde gui.
[03:37] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> dosent need to have a gui either
[03:37] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> none of the ones on the trinity rescue kit did
[03:38] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I can manage with a terminal, shouldent be too tricky
[03:38] <ldez1> Why would you want to have a windows partition? Just stick with *ubuntu and you won't have virus problems...
[03:38] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> har har
[03:38] <ldez1> Or do what I do and have a windows partition that you dont keep anything important on and just format it every couple months to keep it virus-free
[03:38] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> too much of a pain
[03:38] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I have never really gotten infected, but I prefer to play it safe
[03:39] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Its main puirpose will be to fix any boot problems with windows if it ever happens, but a virus scan would be useful too
[03:39] <ldez1> I never get virii on my windows either.. just use Firefox with No-Script addon and Spybot S&D in the background and you'll stay 100% safe as long as you don't allow any retarded domains.
[03:40] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I heard that spybot isnt that good anymore, people were recommiding on top fo spybot ot use........ I forgot the name, malbytes or something like that
[03:41] <durt> ldez1, different people have different needs when it comes to supporting windows, you may be smart and do safe things but my little sister sure ain't :)
[03:41] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Regardless, I just want an on-hdd rescue os
[03:41] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> this is why I chose xubuntu instedad of ubuntu
[03:41] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> instead*
[03:42] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> if its on the hdd I can keep it updated without constantly burning new cds
[03:42] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> the system is old, it cant boto from usb
[03:42] <durt> how is xubuntu and ubuntu different in that way?
[03:43] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> xubuntu is supposed to be a lot more ligthweight, so itll run better on older hardware and take up less hdd space
[03:43] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> at least thats what I was told
[03:44] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> its a pentium 3 - 1.13ghz system with 1 gig of pc-133 sdram, its very old
[03:44] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I cant even support harddrives over 120gb with a pci ide card
[03:44] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> without I mean
[03:44] <durt> too a degree yes, as far as speed is concerned, the default install size I don't think will be that different...xubuntu is perfect for that hardware
[03:45] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> sadly this is my main desktop....
[03:45] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> cpu, ram, everything is at its maximum, cant really upgrade anything on it anymore >.<
[03:46] <ldez1> Cyber: I usually keep a CD with DamnSmall Linux burnt on it to load from in case of emergency backup needs.
[03:46] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> 3d card is.......... ok........ though, it outperforms this laptop by a far margin with anything 3d related
[03:46] <durt> I have a server that I use graphically thats only a pIII 533 with 450 MB it runs xubuntu just fine.
[03:46] <ldez1> durt: That's why I never let my little sister use my computer... Just steer clear from that situation, bro.
[03:47] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> though my laptop kills my desktop when it comes to anything else, sad, since it was a $400 piece of junk I got two years ago
[03:47] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Anyway, I got sick of the messed up installof Windows 2000 I have on it constnatly haing problems, got a replacement hdd (because I still want the old one just in case) and im ging to upgrade to xp
[03:48] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> figured might as well add xuuntu for repair
[03:48] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> the replacement hdd is 160gb, so I should get a few more extra gigs out of it before it hits the LBA limit
[03:48] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> they didnt sell anythign smaller for ide
[03:49] <durt> ldez1, my 'little' sister lives by herself and _I_ am responsible for her sys admin, of course she doesn't get to touch my stuff. we figured out that when we were kids.
[03:49] <ldez1> durt: Is your "little" sister hott?
[03:49] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> ...
[03:49] <ldez1> durt: I mean... err... maybe keep her away from Linux?
[03:49] <durt> :C
[03:50] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Yet another linux user I found that is a pedophile, sigh
[03:50] <ldez1> That, or teach her not to be a noob.
[03:50] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I really expcected this to be from a mac user
[03:50] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> :P
[03:50] <ldez1> lol
[03:51] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> having problems iwth my mac too >.<
[03:51] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> just works my ass
[03:51] <ldez1> Well I solved your problem.... You bought a Mac!! BOOM
[03:51] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> :P
[03:51] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I have been using windows for a decade
[03:51] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> started using linux to learn it
[03:52] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> saw a cheap mac mini and figured might as well learn macos too
[03:52] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> snow leopard seems to hate my keyboard though
[03:52] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> far more than a decade actually...
[03:53] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> anyway
[03:53] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> how much space would a xubuntu install take?
[03:53] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> should I set aside some space for a swap partition?
[03:53] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I really want it taking little space
[03:54] <ldez1> Oh, if you were to give it 6-7 gigs, that would be MORE than enough
[03:54] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> since ill just use it for system utilities and antivirus
[03:54] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> hmm.... thats actually kinda a lot, depend show much space I get from the drive XD
[03:54] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> is the limi t128 or 137gb? I forgot
[03:54] <ldez1> Right now I'm running off a 10gb partition and I have 5.9gb free space
[03:54] <ldez1> So if you really don't intend on installing anything on it.. 5gb should be plenty.
[03:55] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> if the motehrboard dosent support lba48 and I plug in a 160gb harddrive
[03:55] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I know itll show up as more than 120, but less than 160
[03:56] <ldez1> Yeah I've always been kinda fuzzy on that.. It seems like different manufacturers all label their hard drives differently... Any more it seems like 160gb really means 145gb
[03:56] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> oh, thats easy
[03:56] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> ....... to explain
[03:56] <ldez1> Right now, im running off my 60gb ps3, which actually only has 52 real gigabytes of hard drive.
[03:56] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I suck at the math though XD
[03:57] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> manufacturers use base 10
[03:57] <ldez1> Yeah.. thats my problem too, something about 1000 vs 1024.. Why can't people just be truthful...
[03:57] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> to them a megabyte is 1,000,000 bytes
[03:57] <durt> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, you can always remove software you do not need. I think I pared xubuntu down to 5 or so gigs.
[03:57] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> though now they measure by gigabuytes, which makes them lose even MORE space
[03:57] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> 1gb = 1,000 MB
[03:57] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> many of them list this on the box
[03:58] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> as for the ps3, thats because it installs some stuff on the hdd rgeardless
[03:58] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I wish they would descrypt the fs used on ps3 hdds....
[03:58] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I HATE the svae locking, its total bullshit! I want to backup my saves!
[03:58] <ldez1> Yeah, its got the firmware, but it loses a few gigs to the base 10/base 2 trim regardless.
[03:58] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> It refuses to let me copy the save to a usb drive or flash card or anything off the ps3
[03:59] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> a full system backup will backup the save..... but itll only restore on the same ps3
[03:59] <ldez1> Cyber, you know you can go through the XBM to System -> System Settings -> Backup Your System and get the saves that are copy protected, right?
[03:59] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> meaning if you got yours repaired, there is a high chance itll be a refurb from someone else, and then those saves wont restore
[03:59] <ldez1> Yeah, ok, so you do know.. heh
[03:59] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> You cant remove the hdd either
[03:59] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> its keyed to the ps3 that formatted it
[03:59] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> itll show up as iunformatted to any other ps3
[03:59] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> what bullshit
[04:00] <ldez1> I've had friends upgrade their hdd in their ps3s...
[04:00] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> oh, of course
[04:00] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> you can use any 2.5 inch sata hdd in it
[04:00] <ldez1> Oh, just another comp can't reformat it?
[04:00] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> once you format it though
[04:00] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> you cant out it into ANOTHER ps3
[04:00] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> unless ytou reformat it in that other ps3
[04:00] <ldez1> Gotta love DRM
[04:01] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> pretty much...
[04:01] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I see NO reason for the svae locking
[04:01] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> its alreadt possible to lick a save to your PSN profile
[04:01] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> lock I mean
[04:01] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> so why lock it to the system?
[04:01] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> at least a psn locked savedcan be backed up and moved to another ps3
[04:01] <ldez1> So Cyber, you seem kinda knowledgable about PS3... I actually just did my full backup today, reformatted, and installed Xubuntu.. but I'm having some serious issues with the flash player and the Sixaxis bluetooth connection... You know anything about either of these as far as PS3 and linux go?
[04:01] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I gave up on ubuntu on the ps3
[04:01] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I switched to YDL
[04:02] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> especially since it can use the ps3's vidoeram as swap
[04:02] <ldez1> I heard nasty nasty things about yellow dog
[04:02] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> IT runs far better than ubuntu ever did for me
[04:02] <ldez1> I was actually reading a tutorial earlier on psubuntu.com about how to use ps3's vram as swap on ubuntu
[04:02] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> shame you cant use the gpu
[04:02] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> And yeah, I know far too much than is healthy about gaming consoles
[04:02] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> XD
[04:03] <ldez1> I havn't tried doing this tutorial yet, but from what I read is that you can use the GPU vRAM for swap
[04:03] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Too bad I know ntohing about programming so I rely on pre-compiled homebrew :(
[04:03] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> coudl be worth a shot, I honstly would recommend ydl though
[04:03] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> tried ubuntu on it since........ I forgot, 7.10 I think
[04:03] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> until 9.04
[04:03] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> at that point I gave up
[04:03] <ldez1> Well I'm slacking in both arenas.. I know too little about consoles, and less than I'd like to about programming.. :(
[04:04] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> im trying to study for A+
[04:04] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> though its more like reading what I already know witht he occational standard term I didnt know
[04:04] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> than studying
[04:04] <ldez1> I had some friends, who probably weren't too experienced with linux, do some serious complaining about yellow dog... do you find it pretty tolerable?
[04:04] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> the ps3 ersion at least
[04:04] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> never used it on a pc
[04:04] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Though
[04:05] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> there is a pretty bad ug in the version I have, dunno if its been fixed XD
[04:05] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> bluetooth support is messed up
[04:05] <ldez1> Yeah, thats pretty much how I felt last year when i decided to get my A+... lots of learning new ways of explaining the things I already knew.... fun stuff..
[04:05] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> At first, the chapter on harddrives was confusing the hell out of me
[04:05] <ldez1> Yeah, i heard the sixaxis/bluetooth support was a lot better in ubuntu than YDL
[04:05] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> explaning how physically the platters are connected and all that
[04:05] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> 10 pages in when im thinking "I will never understand this"
[04:06] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I see the pargrap end with "by the way, you don't need to know any of this, and explaning it in any more detail woudl require knowledge in quantium physics, but its interesting to know this stuff"
[04:06] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I wanted to punch the author >.<
[04:06] <ldez1> Heh, sounds like you're over studying for the test... A+ is too simple.. the study books and what not try to make it too complicated
[04:06] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Well, I dont just want the cert
[04:07] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I AM interested in learning what the book says
[04:07] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> plan to do network+ and then MCSE
[04:07] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> though I should have finishe dA+ long ago, I procostanate WAY too much
[04:07] <ldez1> MCSE... grrrrrr
[04:09] <ldez1> Yeah, I had thought that was kind of the track for me.. I used to want to get all the certs, CCNA, CCNP, etc... but decided just to work towards a BS in comp sci instead
[04:09] <ldez1> Cyber: Mind if I PM you?
[04:10] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> go ahead
[04:10] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I got a BS in CET back in 2005
[04:10] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I really should have continued and gotten a masters
[04:10] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> or at least double majored in comp sci too
[04:11] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> too bad I can't get any degrees in videogame technology and history
[04:11] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> and I don't mean learning how to tighten up the graphics in level 3
[08:59] <Techie> hello glorious #xubuntu, how are we tonight?
[13:24] <slow-motion> hi
[14:39] <blip-> hi, anyone know the command issued when you press the little button that minimizes all windows ?
[14:48] <likemindead> I use the panel icon, blip- but don't know the hotkey.
[14:49] <blip-> likemindead: ok. thanks
[14:49] <TheSheep> you can see/change the hotkey in the wm settings
[14:49] <TheSheep> it's alt+d by default, afair
[14:50] <likemindead> I just loaded Xubuntu 9.10 Alpha 6 on my old laptop (PIII & 1GB DDR). It's amazing! :D
[14:50] <TheSheep> amazingly slow you mean? :P
[14:50] <likemindead> Negative.
[14:50] <likemindead> Blazing fast.
[14:50] <TheSheep> in comparison to what?
[14:50] <likemindead> Uh... I dunno... running Windoze XP on it?
[14:51] <likemindead> I was running CrunchBang 9.04.01 but this is even better. :)
[14:52] <blip-> nowadays I see an xfce enviroment as a middle ground between KDE and Openbox with some addons.... it's certainly not on the lightweight end anymore
[14:53] <likemindead> It's ~15MB compared to GNOME at ~180MB...
[14:54] <blip-> yep
[14:54] <blip-> but compare it with say fluxbox... then it's no longer lightweight... it's just "pretty lightweight"
[14:55] <likemindead> I just love the variety. I'm usually running machines with GNOME, Xfce, Openbox, & Fluxbox. :)
[14:56] <TheSheep> kids these days
[14:56] <TheSheep> :P
[14:56] <blip-> I've spent the last 5 years jumping around every DE and WM out there....   every time I'm convinced I've found the ideal one... I realize I miss the advantages the other one gave me
[14:56] <blip-> and that point I decided the middle ground was best and xfce does that best
[14:57] <blip-> besides, using openbox and having to add desktop support and panel etc... I ended up running xfce panel :D
[15:26]  * likemindead is away: :::poot:::
[15:30] <harisund> What happens if I install ubuntu-restricted-extras on a xubuntu machine?
[15:30] <Sysi> some stuff start to work
[15:30] <knome> harisund, nothing will break, but i'm not sure if everything will work. there is xubuntu-restricted-extras, though.
[15:30] <genii> harisund: There is xubuntu-restricted-extras ubuntu-restricted-extras and kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:31] <genii> One for each
[16:50]  * likemindead is back (gone 01:24:37)
[17:48] <n2diy> what is a good html editor?
[17:49] <genii> !info bluefish
[17:49] <genii> Also OpenOffice isn't too horrible
[17:50] <genii> (but for lower end systems, not)