[00:05] <Tonio_> ryanakca: very fun :)
[00:05] <Tonio_> ryanakca: it's my last week here... back to normal life this we
[00:11] <Riddelll> we have to lose 350MB from the size of our DVDs :(
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> dang
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> Oh, that reminds me
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> we can lose 50 MB from both the livecd and dvd if we put debug symbols back in amarok-dbg
[00:19]  * JontheEchidna commits the fix to bar
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> *bzr
[00:20] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: I am currently building an amarok package which has that fix in it
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: ok, then I'll leave it to you :)
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> Riddelll: could I get sponsorship for bug 432863?
[00:31] <neversfelde> mhh, amarok FTBFS with the taglib packages from Riddelll's ppa
[00:35] <rgreening> Riddelll: what bumped the DVD by 350?
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> Amarok bumped it by around 50. I don't know how the CDs are not overweight by now
[00:36] <rgreening> lzma
[00:36] <rgreening> :P
[00:36] <Riddelll> neversfelde: really?  poke jefferai with the compiler error
[00:36] <rgreening> dropping kde3
[00:36] <Riddelll> JontheEchidna: CDs did grow lots in the last alpha, that would explain why
[00:37] <Riddelll> I had to remove stuff from amd64
[00:37] <rgreening> heh
[00:39] <Riddelll> UDS sponsorship time, Kubuntu contributors should put their names forward
[00:39] <neversfelde> jefferai: ping
[00:40] <maco> good luck :)
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> The message indicator no longer changes icon when there are new indications :(
[00:41] <maco> for me the message indicator just always shows the "messages!" icon because there are always unread (but not *newly arrived*) emails in kmail
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> I just get the plain envelope icon always
[00:42] <neversfelde> here is the compiler error: http://pastebin.ca/1574621
[00:43] <neversfelde> I have to get some sleep, so I will have another look tomorrow
[00:43] <neversfelde> gn8
[00:44] <rgreening> works here for me JontheEchidna
[00:47] <Riddelll> JontheEchidna: I'll look at that phonon merge tomorrow morning, poke me should I forget
[00:49] <skreech> Can we make kopete not use hte indicator in Karmic?
[00:49] <skreech> Just remove it from the panel and it will use normal notifications?
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> as of alpha 6 kopete does not use it by default
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> installations from when it was default will have to disable it manually
[00:50] <skreech> I guess the general question is can we choose between notifications and indicators on an app basis?
[01:34] <jefferai> neversfelde: pong
[01:35] <JontheEchidna> jefferai: he went to bed. He wanted to show you this amarok build failure w/ latest taglib: http://pastebin.ca/1574621
[01:38] <jefferai> JontheEchidna: neversfelde: install the (just released) taglib-extras-1.0.1
[01:38] <jefferai> fixes a symbol validity error
[01:38] <jefferai> eerr
[01:38] <jefferai> symbol visibility error
[01:54] <jefferai> this particular one, actually :-)
[02:16] <skreech> Did Palm ever respond to Amarok?
[03:44]  * ScottK would like a laptop battery where #of times I can compile kde4libs >= 1.
[03:45] <shtylman> haha
[03:45] <ScottK> skreech: I think you can choose on a per app basis.
[03:46] <ScottK> I'm trying to backport some stuff from kdesvn to get a newer plasma-netbook and it touches both workspace and libs.
[03:46] <ScottK> It's a pain.
[03:46] <shtylman> I bet...
[03:46] <shtylman> should just cross compile on a desktop
[03:47] <ScottK> How goes OOo, speaking of pain?
[03:47] <ScottK> Well the one desktop that's reasonably available still has Dapper on it.
[03:47] <shtylman> oh boy... well, I submitting a set of patches to ccheney with some fixes for various bugs
[03:48] <shtylman> but the no text one still illudes me
[03:48] <ScottK> How about the suffix appending?
[03:48] <shtylman> suffix appending?
[03:48] <shtylman> auto extension appending you mean?
[03:48] <ScottK> Yeah
[03:48] <shtylman> oh thats fixed
[03:48] <shtylman> that was in the patches I sent
[03:48] <ScottK> Excellent.
[03:49] <ScottK> My daughter will be glad to hear that.
[03:49] <shtylman> heh
[03:49] <shtylman> I really want to work out this text bug
[03:49] <skreech> ScottK: ok that would be great
[03:49] <shtylman> im sure it has to do with some initialization problem/qt event loop nonsense
[03:50] <ScottK> I'd suggest asking agateau to look at it.
[03:51] <shtylman> does he sit in kde-devel?
[03:55] <ScottK> He does sometimes, but he's also usually here.
[03:55] <ScottK> He doesn't stay logged in overnight and is in France, so no suprise he's not here at the moment.
[03:56] <shtylman> gotcha...well im eastern time...and work during the day thus not on IRC
[03:56] <shtylman> so maybe I will send him an emails
[03:56] <shtylman> (email
[09:42] <davmor2> Riddelll, ScottK: Having a mobile day today so KNE and UNR anything specific you'd like me to <del>Break</del> look at?
[10:26] <Riddelll> davmor2: any idea if oem-installer works on Kubuntu?
[10:30] <davmor2> I'll check I think there were some fixes go in
[11:13] <happyaron> hi, is kdebluetooth merge all pot files to a single one?
[11:16] <Riddelll> happyaron: kdebluetooth has four pot files
[11:16] <Riddelll> desktop_playground-network.pot  kbluetooth4-devicemanager.pot  kbluetooth4.pot  kbluetooth4-wizard.pot
[11:17] <happyaron> Riddelll: but I could only find one in the latest tarball
[11:18] <happyaron> Riddelll: I want to confirm if we should change these four into one on launchpad
[11:19] <Riddelll> hmm, tonio uploaded the new kdebluetooth without a FFe
[11:20] <happyaron> Riddelll: well, what should I do to that pot file? drop new or merge old?
[11:22] <Riddelll> happyaron: hang on I'll ask upstream
[11:29] <Riddelll> happyaron: you are right, upstream changed it so kbluetooth4-devicemanager.pot  kbluetooth4.pot  kbluetooth4-wizard.pot are all now merged into kbluetooth.po
[11:29] <Riddelll> dpm: ^^
[11:29] <Riddelll> not sure what needs to be done to make that right in launchpad
[11:29] <happyaron> Riddelll: I think we might need to merge them, dpm
[12:14] <dpm> hi happyaron, I would first double check if the strings from kbluetooth4-devicemanager.pot  kbluetooth4.pot  kbluetooth4-wizard.pot kbluetooth4-wizard.pot are indeed in the new kbluetooth.pot template. Then the kdebluetooth4-* templates should be disabled and the kdebluetooth one approved. But before doing anything, let me ask danilo what we should do to make sure we don't loose any of the translations of the old templates in LP
[12:14] <happyaron> dpm: good, :)
[12:57] <Riddelll> neversfelde: new taglib-extras in ~jr PPA
[13:00] <Riddelll> Tonio_: you uploaded kdebluetooth without a FFe?
[13:00] <Riddelll> shtylman: did slideshow get merged?
[13:08] <Tonio_> Riddelll: only bugfixes afaik this doesn't require a ffe
[13:09] <Tonio_> Riddelll: I asked here and was told it wasn't required
[13:09] <Tonio_> Riddelll: did anyone complain about that ?
[13:13] <Tonio_> Riddelll: I also mentionned this release was a bugfix only in the changelog
[13:30] <Riddelll> Tonio_: the translation setup changed a lot
[13:30] <Riddelll> Tonio_: although we did want the new version, it's not like kdebluetooth could get any worse :)
[13:31] <Tonio_> Riddelll: right, sorry for breaking the translations then :)
[13:31] <Tonio_> Riddelll: I'll have to commit a kds update to disable the obex server by default since I noticed yesterday it'll prompt for selecting the destination folder on a cd
[13:33] <Tonio_> Riddelll: or maybe use kconf_update and a python script to set the folder to the xdg download dir
[13:34] <Tonio_> Riddelll: any opinion on that point ?
[13:34] <Tonio_> maybe the second option is nicer...
[13:34] <Tonio_> Riddelll: we might want to enable the obex server by default I think
[13:36] <Riddelll> Tonio_: sounds like kdebluetooth should be fixed to default to xdg instead of asking
[13:37] <Tonio_> so patch the source then ? can do
[13:37] <Tonio_> I'll do that then
[13:39] <Riddelll> or talk to upstream
[13:40] <Riddelll> afiestas is pretty responsive
[13:40] <Tonio_> Riddelll: oki
[14:05] <happyaron> Riddelll: do you know where kabc-sql has been changed to? or removed from package?
[14:05] <happyaron> Riddelll: I mean in kdelibs
[14:07] <happyaron> Riddelll: ah, got it
[14:07] <happyaron> it comes to a plugin
[14:07] <davmor2> Riddelll: oem is broken on yours and ubuntu's (ubuntu's slightly more spectacularly too be honest)
[14:44] <neversfelde> Riddelll: I already tried to build amarok against taglib-extras 1.0.1 and it works. I will do a second build with the packages in your ppa. Should I push my packaging to bzr after that although taglib and taglib-extras are not in the archives yet?
[14:45] <neversfelde> jefferai: thank you for your help
[14:45] <jefferai> neversfelde: sure
[14:45] <jefferai> neversfelde: I guess I don't have -fvisibility=hidden here
[14:45] <jefferai> :-)
[14:45] <neversfelde> :)
[14:48] <Riddelll> neversfelde: yes please push to bzr
[14:48] <Riddelll> jefferai: do you think you'll be able to do us a fix for the juk patch or should we just drop it?
[14:51] <jefferai> I could probably do it -- if you'll link me to it  :-)
[14:52] <Riddelll> jefferai: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdemultimedia/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_06_juk_read_mp4.diff
[14:54] <jefferai> Riddelll: I think I'll add this to juk trunk
[14:54] <jefferai> the majority of the patch can be discarded
[15:15] <Riddelll> still 90MB to remove from the DVD, maybe the amarok upload will sort that
[15:16] <Riddelll> what shall we call the team for people who can upload Kubuntu packages?
[15:21] <Tm_T> Riddelll: something else than karate-kids
[15:21]  * Tm_T is just kidding with ninjas
[15:25] <jefferai> Riddelll: hrm, trunk is now 4.4 isn't it
[15:26] <Riddelll> jefferai: yes
[15:26] <Riddelll> although I doubt juk has changed much
[15:27] <jefferai> there have been recent patches, actually
[15:28] <jefferai> probably the easiest thing to do, w.r.t. the patch, is for me to skip the check in CMakeLists (since I know that you're building with MP4 support) and just modify the patch itself
[15:29] <jefferai> err, the main source code
[15:29] <jefferai> thoughts?
[15:31] <Riddelll> jefferai: I agree
[15:32] <jefferai> I'm even going to throw in a bonus for you
[15:32] <Riddelll> how exciting, what's that?
[15:38] <jefferai> the ability to read mp4 audiobooks
[15:38] <jefferai> anyways, I have a patch ready
[15:38] <jefferai> untested :-)
[15:38] <jefferai> hand-edited diff ranges
[15:38] <jefferai> should be fun
[15:39] <jefferai> http://pastie.org/625956
[15:41] <Riddelll> 3 out of 3 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file juk/mediafiles.cpp.rej
[15:41] <Riddelll> fooey
[15:41] <jefferai> where's the source?
[15:42] <jefferai> straight off 4.3 branch?
[15:42] <jefferai> or...?
[15:42] <maco> grrr i dont like whatever happened to plasma in the last week
[15:42] <skreech> trunk?
[15:42] <maco> now when the dashboard is shown, there's no cashew to hide the dashboard. so i have to right click and go to appearance settings, because once i open appearance settings, then the windows can all come back
[15:44] <Riddelll> jefferai: 4.3.1
[15:44] <Riddelll> jefferai: this is what applies http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/625956.txt
[15:44] <jefferai> Riddelll: that's the paste I just sent you
[15:46] <Riddelll> jefferai: except my one applies :)
[15:47] <jefferai> Line numbers are the same
[15:48] <jefferai> must have been copy+paste issue into the browser
[15:48] <jefferai> whitespace issue
[15:48] <jefferai> what did you do?
[15:48] <Riddelll> yep
[15:48] <Riddelll> applied it by hand and redid the diff
[15:48] <jefferai> ah
[15:48]  * jefferai wishes diff wasn't so finicky about whitespace
[15:59] <Riddelll> jefferai: well it compiles fine, the only .mp4 I have is a video and it won't open that
[16:02] <jefferai> yah
[16:07] <skreech> can't you make diff white space insensitive?
[16:15] <skreech> Riddelll: a word when you are done
[16:19] <skreech> Well two words :)
[16:19] <Riddelll> skreech: what's that?
[16:20] <skreech> Riddelll: Are we taking up the upstream distro art customization offer?
[16:20] <Riddelll> we already use upstream distro art
[16:21] <skreech> Kubuntu art?
[16:21] <Riddelll> we did take up the upstream disto art offer for the new ubiquity artwork
[16:21] <skreech> ok
[16:22] <skreech> What's the workflow with that?
[16:22] <skreech> We say we would like to take you up on the offer
[16:22] <skreech> THey help with the design? Then we implement?
[16:22] <skreech> With review by them?
[16:23] <skreech> or would they work directly with creating the art and so on?
[16:23] <Riddelll> we say "we'd like a bit of artwork for X" or "we'd like artwork Y done in Kubuntu colours" and they do it if they feel so inclined
[16:23] <skreech> Ah Hmm ok
[16:24] <skreech>  iwas trying to figure out if we needed to start recruiting a new art team
[16:24] <skreech> K Second question though this is less Koala and more for Lynx
[16:24] <skreech> http://gkiagia.wordpress.com/2009/08/19/installing-debug-symbol-packages-from-drkonqi/
[16:24] <Riddelll> not really, our art needs are very modest because unlike other distros we use upstream artwork because it rocks
[16:24] <skreech> Remember that blog post?
[16:25] <skreech> Since we are using packagekit would it make more sense to simply borrow debian scripts or do something more integrated?
[16:27] <Riddelll> using the debian setup would be easiest, but it would be better to use the more complete dbgsym archive for ubuntu
[16:28] <skreech> So iguess that will be looked at once Koala is out?
[16:30] <Riddelll> I don't know what the status of it is upstream, if upstream is ready for distros to do something they should say so and point us at the docs for how
[16:30] <skreech> Hmm OK I'll prod around and see where they are and see if an announcement is forthcoming
[16:34] <Riddelll> neversfelde: remember to push amarok packaging
[16:37] <neversfelde> Riddelll: it is still buiding, but I can push if you need it now?
[16:37] <neversfelde> should be ok
[16:41] <Tonio_> Riddelll: a friend of mine wrote a krunner extension for opera
[16:41] <Tonio_> Riddelll: I think he can do the same for arora pretty easilly
[16:41] <Tonio_> Riddelll: isn't that too late for karmic ?
[16:41] <Tonio_> Riddelll: if an ffe can be approved in... let's say a week, I can ask him to do so
[16:42] <skreech> Can't it be added to universe?
[16:43] <Tonio_> skreech: bah I suspect the idea would be to have this in main since we ship with arora
[16:43] <Tonio_> maybe we can add this in the arora package directly
[16:43] <Riddelll> neversfelde: just whenever you're ready
[16:43] <Tonio_> it already has kde integration
[16:44] <Riddelll> Arora isn't on the CD any more, and it doesn't have KDE integration
[16:44] <Riddelll> Tonio_: what does the krunner do?
[16:44] <Tonio_> Riddelll: checks in your bookmarks like it does with konqueror
[16:44] <skreech> I thought we were shipping with Konqueror?
[16:45] <Tonio_> skreech: well right now yes, but that may and will probably change in the future
[16:45] <Tonio_> skreech: considering the netbook edition too btw
[16:45] <skreech> I recalled a kopete krunner plugin in erarly koala Cds is that still there?
[16:52] <Tonio_> skreech: was arora as default browser spec discarded to Lucid ?
[16:52] <Tonio_> skreech: I probably wasn't there when it was decided, but at the UDS, the choice was made afair
[16:53] <skreech> Konqueror is the new default.
[16:54] <nixternal> good morning Kubuntu!!!
[16:54] <Riddelll> Tonio_: we had a Kubuntu meeting a month or so ago and the vote was to go with Konqueror for Karmic.  I disagree with it
[16:54] <Riddelll> why it's nixternal
[16:54] <nixternal> get um!
[16:54] <nixternal> oh wait, that's me
[16:54] <Tonio_> Riddelll: I completly disagree too, but well I should have been there
[16:54] <Tonio_> Riddelll: especially since next version of arora has adblock and password storage
[16:55] <Tonio_> nixternal: what's against arora ? :)
[16:55] <Tonio_> konqueror just won't work with our users websites...
[16:55] <Tonio_> imho that's the main point with it
[16:55] <Tonio_> arora is still young, but at least browses correctly
[16:56] <nixternal> arora seems slow on loading web pages to me...konqueror is faster but does have issues with some sites...a lot of our users will install firefox anyways
[16:57]  * skreech still thinks we should have a kubuntu-proper package
[16:57] <skreech> that just installs all the stuff we would like to have on the cd
[16:57] <skreech> Wallapapers themes plasmoids etc
[16:57] <skreech> Arora could be attached to that
[16:57] <skreech> Arora just freaking bugs out on sites for me
[16:58] <skreech> I only use it for Gmail and even there it doesn't act like I expect
[16:58] <skreech> We ship the firefox installer for Koala
[17:01] <Riddelll> shtylman: I just e-mailed you, check your spam folder, gmail doesn't like my mail server
[17:03] <Tonio_> nixternal: well konqueror simply ignores most of the javascript... sure that's fast, but imho bad
[17:03] <nixternal> true
[17:04] <skreech> Konqueror is apparently very bad at javascript
[17:14] <Tonio_> nixternal: when arora 0.9.1 is released with adblock support and password storage, I think we should eventually rediscuss this karmic default web browser
[17:14] <Tonio_> really no decent web browser isn't acceptable nowadays...
[17:14] <nixternal> 2 features I do not use :)
[17:14] <Tonio_> I hope it's not too late for this
[17:18] <Riddelll> it's beta freeze in two days
[17:18] <Riddelll> that's pretty late
[17:18] <Riddelll> we still have to decide on default IRC client
[17:19] <skreech> Tonio_: what is the definition of a decent web browser
[17:19] <Riddelll> one that can read slashdot
[17:19] <Riddelll> oh wait, that's just me
[17:19] <skreech> Dropping any referenecs to what's on the market. Just a list
[17:19] <smarter> Riddelll: reddit/hackernews are the new slashdot ;)
[17:20] <skreech> JS would be high on that list I think
[17:20] <Tonio_> skreech: one that can browse gmail, facebook, twitter, without bugs ?
[17:21] <Tonio_> skreech: one that feets our users needs ?
[17:21] <skreech> Tonio_: I don't think I know any browser that does that :)
[17:21] <Tonio_> skreech: I don't think I know any browser that does that worse than konqueror :)
[17:21] <skreech> w3m :-(
[17:21] <Tonio_> right
[17:21] <skreech> it won't even display gmail anymore
[17:22] <smarter> let's just put Internet Explorer by default and be done :P
[17:22] <Tonio_> but technically, konqueror is what it is and is not gonna change
[17:22] <skreech> just started doing it since the start of this year
[17:22] <Tonio_> arora is super maintained, upstream wants it to work
[17:22] <Tonio_> that's the main difference
[17:22] <Riddelll> w3m can read slashdot
[17:22] <skreech> No I agree that we need a web dolphin
[17:22] <skreech> So can konqueror I think
[17:22] <Tonio_> skreech: it could be rekonq to, whatever
[17:23] <Tonio_> but something that uses a "de facto standard" engine, like webkit
[17:23] <Tonio_> khtml is deprecated... I'd love konqueror to work with webkit, but that's not gonna happen, really
[17:23] <Tonio_> otherwise it would work right now
[17:25] <skreech> at least the times I cahrekonq can't read gmail
[17:25] <skreech> bah
[17:25] <Tonio_> skreech: and the main problem is that it's going to be worse and worse, since most websites are evolving to ajax and break in konq when they worked 2 years ago
[17:25] <Tonio_> skreech: arora does
[17:25] <skreech>  At least the times I've checked slashdot Konqueror can read it
[17:25] <skreech>  Rekonq can't read Gmail
[17:25] <skreech>  My biggest strike against it so far
[17:25] <Tonio_> so what's the problem with arora ? :)
[17:26] <nixternal> dropshadows on planet.ubuntu.com look horrible? :)
[17:26] <skreech> Yeah that's mostly what I use Arora for
[17:26] <skreech> Arora doesn't work with any other site I go to normally
[17:26] <skreech> Either it won't load aor it's a fully vertical layout
[17:27] <skreech> Between Konqueror and Arora I only open Firefox if need an extension
[17:27] <Tonio_> skreech: not any website ?
[17:27]  * Tonio_ is curious... what are those websites ?
[17:27] <Riddelll> google calendar, revu
[17:28] <skreech> And Arora has a pretty large memory footprint
[17:28] <Tonio_> google calendat works with me
[17:28] <skreech>  too large a ratio of nonworking sites to Ram usage for me to jsut keep it open
[17:28] <Tonio_> Riddelll: is that supposed not to work ?
[17:29] <Riddelll> doesn't work for me, gets stuck at the login
[17:29] <Tonio_> Riddelll: hum weird...
[17:29] <Tonio_> lemme check
[17:30] <neversfelde> Riddelll: it is in bzr
[17:31] <Riddelll> neversfelde: and it all compiles and runs?
[17:31] <Tonio_> Riddelll: no pb with google calendar here.... weird...
[17:31] <Tonio_> Riddelll: a cookie cache problem on your side maybe ? or you just didn't test with 0.9 ?
[17:34] <Riddelll> Tonio_: you're right, it works today
[17:40] <neversfelde> Riddelll: it compiles with the packages in your ppa and at least music plays and tagging seems to work :)
[17:41] <Riddelll> neversfelde: does it make my tea too?
[17:42] <neversfelde> I think you would have to add a dependency on kteatime^^
[17:49] <nixternal> what is the trick for setting up printers connected to a windows/samba machine? in gnome it just works, but I have yet to get it to 'just work' in Kubuntu yet
[17:50] <smarter> nixternal: systemsettings ->printy thingy -> settings -> check the box related to allow use of network printers -> wait a few seconds/minutes -> magic!
[17:51] <nixternal> smarter: i have waited a few minutes
[17:51] <nixternal> but not with the window open :)  /me tries
[17:51] <smarter> tried to do it manually with the "new network printer" button?
[17:52] <nixternal> ya, but trying to figure all of the information I need is a pita
[18:04] <Riddelll> yuriy: rumour has it that apport-kde is broken and you have patches, is this true?
[18:05] <yuriy> Riddelll: partial fix, pitti said he'll include it in the next upload
[18:05] <yuriy> Riddelll: bug 405378, bug 403361
[18:10] <yuriy> Riddelll: any ideas on the latter?
[18:11] <Riddelll> didn't we think the new sip and pyqt4 would fix that?
[18:11] <yuriy> maybe, i haven't had a chance to update and check
[18:29] <Riddelll> yuriy: there's nothing attached to bug 405378, where is the fix?
[18:36] <ubuntu> ScottK: you around dude?
[18:36] <ScottK> Yes.
[18:38] <davmor3> ScottK: I'm looking at KNE and I'm looking at Internet.  I just showed it to my wife for confirmation and it's not obvious unless you use KDE which is the actual browser
[18:39] <ScottK> davmor3: I agree the internet section is a bit of a confusing mess.  Given the rudimentary nature of the app picker at this point, I don't think we can do anything about it.
[18:40] <davmor3> ScottK: is ther no way to put the apps first and the settings after, if that makes sense?
[18:40] <ScottK> Not really.
[18:41] <davmor3> :( shame
[18:41] <ScottK> Yes.  I know it will be better in KDE 4.4.  What we have now is very basic.
[18:41] <davmor3> ScottK: if I put a bug about it can you wishlist it?
[18:42] <ScottK> I can.
[18:42] <davmor3> np's
[18:48] <yuriy> Riddelll: there is a diff attached
[18:51] <Tonio_> Riddelll: tellico was juste released as a stable kde4 app
[18:51] <Tonio_> Riddelll: we currently have a kde3 version...
[18:51] <Tonio_> Riddelll: I think this should go with an FFE, right ?
[18:52] <ScottK> I'd say yes.
[18:52] <Riddelll> if there's no regressions
[18:53] <Tonio_> Riddelll: hard to say so...
[18:53] <Tonio_> Riddelll: but we know the status of kde3 apps (ioslaves broken and so on)
[18:54] <rgreening> Riddelll: icefox was wondering if a new release of arora would be able to get in if released next wednesday... we have a standing FFe so unless there's any other reason...
[18:54] <rgreening> Riddelll: did you check your e-mail lately also...?
[18:55] <Tonio_> rgreening: adblock included I guess ?
[18:56] <rgreening> Tonio_: yeah.
[18:56] <rgreening> Where is the release schedule for karmic anyway...
[18:56] <rgreening> hmm..
[18:56] <davmor3> ScottK: bug 434791 wishlist away ;) many thanks
[18:57]  * rgreening reviews... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[18:58] <rgreening> ScottK: beta freeze is the 24th... does that mean we cannot upload between beta freeze and release?
[19:04] <Riddelll> rgreening: beta is next thursday but after that should be OK
[19:12] <rgreening> Riddelll: ok. cool. I'll let icefox know.
[19:15] <rgreening> Riddelll: get my reply email ?
[19:16] <Riddelll> yes thanks rgreening
[19:16]  * rgreening can't wait to see what texas beef is like :)  big 1-2 inch steak
[19:16] <rgreening> cool
[19:17] <Riddelll> this'll be another UDS where I'll order a starter and won't be able to finish it
[19:17] <rgreening> hahhahah
[19:18] <rgreening> Riddelll: I'll remember to eat light so I can clean up your left overs then
[19:18] <rgreening> :P
[19:18]  * rgreening wonders if I should bring my fedora
[19:18] <rgreening> not the os... the hat :P
[19:19] <rgreening> *whew*
[19:24] <Riddelll> I might being my Gentoo
[19:24] <Riddelll> pet penguin of course
[19:27] <rgreening> lol
[19:27]  * rgreening enjoyed working with gentoo
[19:28] <skreech> Mooo
[19:37] <ScottK> rgreening: For Main, only to fix Beta milestone blockers.
[21:38] <yuriy> shtylman: i guess bug 434858 is for you
[21:56] <nixternal> Nightrose: grr on these docs I am doing for that company...I am not exactly enthused with how they want them
[21:56] <Nightrose> meh
[22:00] <_Groo_> Nightrose: hi Nightrose
[22:01] <_Groo_> Nightrose: are you guys planning to add replaygain to xine-backend or inside amarok for xine-backend? right now i have equalizer for xine but no replagain, and replaygain for gstreamer but no  equalizer, lol
[22:01] <Tonio__> neversfelde: amarok won't install here... the issue is weird... have an explanation to this : http://pastebin.ca/1575722
[22:01] <Tonio__> I must say I don't understand...
[22:02] <Nightrose> _Groo_: no idea what the plans are for that sorry
[22:03] <Tonio_> any other person that has an idea is free to help :)
[22:14] <Tonio_> hum right, that's due to latest taglib... let's wait for amarok then...
[22:22] <neversfelde> Tonio_: it needs taglib 1.6, I build it with the packages from Riddelll's ppa
[22:27] <maco> choosing suspend from the battery applet locks screen instead of suspending. boo.
[22:35]  * claydoh is facing the worlds longest fsck :( on his backup device no less
[22:35] <Tonio_> neversfelde: yup seen that
[22:42] <neversfelde> Tonio_: do you have new syncmal packages for Akonadi?
[22:42] <neversfelde> -a
[22:54] <Tonio_> neversfelde: nope, still no commits on the svn...
[22:54] <Tonio_> neversfelde: unless there is another source I don't know of :)
[22:55] <neversfelde> Tonio_: I read a blog post about it, it is from beginning of August, but I am not sure, if I asked you before about it
[23:10] <Tonio_> neversfelde: I did too, basically it works as a syncml server
[23:10] <Tonio_> neversfelde: the client part if broken
[23:10] <Tonio_> neversfelde: you can test from my ppa
[23:34] <shtylman> yuriy: goodie...I love 3rd party OO bugs! /sarcasm :)
[23:38] <neversfelde> mhh, I cannot set a bug to wont fix
[23:38] <neversfelde> bug #434617
[23:38] <neversfelde> I promised it there :)
[23:38] <neversfelde> would somebody do it?
[23:40] <JontheEchinda> won't fix'd
[23:40] <neversfelde> mhh
[23:41] <neversfelde> JontheEchinda: Thank you
[23:41] <neversfelde> I could not find the option, probably a problam with launchpad beta
[23:41] <neversfelde> now it is there, but I cannot use it
[23:42] <JontheEchinda> only MOTUs and Bugsquad members have won't fix permissions
[23:43] <neversfelde> ah ok
[23:43] <Riddelll> sometimes it would be nice if launchpad was more transparent about permissions like that
[23:44] <neversfelde> yes, what are the requirements to join bugsquad?
[23:44] <shtylman> Riddelll: no...we have been back and forth about that damn slideshow and how to merge it...
[23:45] <Riddelll> shtylman: what's the issue?
[23:46] <shtylman> basically being indecisive about how to have the two code bases co-exist
[23:46] <shtylman> I will poke dylan and evan again tonight
[23:47] <JontheEchinda> neversfelde: actually, it's the bugcontrol team, not the bugsquad: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl
[23:48] <neversfelde> JontheEchinda: thanks
[23:48] <neversfelde> Ubuntu is sometimes confusing
[23:48]  * a|wen got motu faster than his application for bug control was approved...
[23:50] <neversfelde> I guess I need a MOTU Mentor, I would like to work together with an experienced ninja. Any volunteers? :)
[23:50] <a|wen> how do you know which mime-type a certain type of files will appear as? any way to find possible mimetypes?
[23:50] <neversfelde> I am not a totally beginner anymore, so the job should be not so difficult, I hope
[23:51] <maco> a|wen: type "file foo.txt"
[23:51] <a|wen> well, basically i can't find any file of that type to test against :)
[23:51] <maco> oh. download one?
[23:51] <a|wen> anyone has a .bin cd image laying around
[23:52] <maco> i know haskell files are misidentified as java files due to starting with "import"
[23:52] <a|wen> neversfelde: iirc your packaging is becoming pretty good :)
[23:55] <neversfelde> a|wen: so you are the volunteer? :)
[23:56] <ScottK> neversfelde: I'm glad to answer questions as you have them, but am not up to committing to being a dedicated mentor.
[23:57] <ScottK> Since when did newegg have a "Home and Garden" section?
[23:57] <shtylman> ScottK: wtf?
[23:57] <ScottK> shtylman: http://www.newegg.com/Store/Appliance.aspx?name=Home-Garden
[23:58] <shtylman> wow
[23:58] <neversfelde> ScottK: thanks, I would like to apply for MOTU, but I am not in a hurry with that. I guess I need some hints about that process in the future.
[23:58] <ScottK> shtylman: OK.  So it's not just me.
[23:59] <shtylman> no...I do find that strange...
[23:59] <ScottK> neversfelde: OK.  My experience is that when you are ready, people will tell you.