[00:01] <kngspook> What's the difference between a system group and a normal group?
[00:13] <mezquitale> tormod, Ive had no luck, maybe I'm doing something wrong?  I already tried (hd0,2) "/boot" partition and "(hd0,6) "/" partition and I still get a message about a bad signature
[00:14] <tormod> mezquitale, chainloading only works if the grub boot sectors have been installed to the partition
[00:14] <mezquitale> anyone knows how to get the palimpsest disk utility go away?  I keep getting an icon saying my disk has bad sectors but I keep rebooting and had fsck scan it and the u tility itself says my drive is not SMART supported
[00:14] <tormod> maybe you never installed the grub sectors to your /boot
[00:15] <tormod> this is done by "grub-setup"
[00:16] <mezquitale> tormod, but when I installed jaunty I had xp, I created a partition for "/boot" and one for "/" and right now none of those partitions are bootable, "/boot" does have grub installed
[00:16] <tormod> anyway, you can look at /boot/grub/menu.lst on your jaunty partition and translate it into a grub2 entry
[00:17] <tormod> well maybe you only installed grub to MBR at the time, and not to /boot
[00:17] <mezquitale> tormod, that is feasible, Im trying to figure out if karmic will accept the UUID from jaunty though
[00:17] <tormod> yes UUID is UUID
[00:17] <mezquitale> tormod, i have the UUID, how can I use the UUID in karmic?
[00:18] <mezquitale> tormod, i know how to do that using the menu.lst but is there a menu.lst type of config in karmic?
[00:18] <tormod> IIRC it is: search -u -s root UUUUIIIIDDD
[00:19] <tormod> no, you have to translate it into grub2 syntax and put it into  your 12_mez... file for instance
[00:21] <mezquitale> I got disconnected, am i still in the room?
[00:47] <spirit-sight> I have two question first is how can I get my num key to be one automatic when starting the system?
[00:50] <BUGabundo> spirit-sight: go to keyb settings and enable it there
[00:52] <spirit-sight> BUGabundo: sorry I am in keyboard settings and don't see it
[00:52] <BUGabundo> don't be sorry
[00:52] <BUGabundo> I don't know exactly where it is either
[00:52] <BUGabundo> im on a laptop
[00:52] <BUGabundo> so I don't need it
[00:53] <IdleOne> To enable Number Lock by default, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NumLock
[00:53] <IdleOne> for some reason Linux does not believe numlock should be enabled default.
[00:53] <BUGabundo> there you go
[00:53] <IdleOne> never understood why....
[00:53] <BUGabundo> !numlock
[00:53] <spirit-sight> yeah I found that, after I asked but making sure there wasn't a check box already that I did not see
[00:54] <BUGabundo> ahh the bot know it too
[00:54] <IdleOne> BUGabundo: I stole that info from ubottu  :)
[00:54] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:57] <spirit-sight> System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layout -> Layout Options -> Miscellaneous compatibility options -> turn on "Default numeric keypad keys"
[00:58] <spirit-sight> don't know if that works for the login screen
[00:58] <spirit-sight> be back
[01:00] <mroc> i'm having trouble accessing my encrypted home partition after updates today.  i have messages regarding page table error and unable to connect to system bus.  i'd really like to get a couple files off there.  can anyone help?
[01:09]  * BUGabundo rsync -a --delete-later /home/BUGabundo /home/BUGabundo_sleep
[01:12] <doubletwist> So on the newer Ubuntus [Karmic Koala in this case], now that there's no xorg.conf, what's the preferred method of setting parameters. Specifically I need to set synclient TapButton2 = 2 somewhere so that my two-finger click works as a middle-click since that seems to have been changed in KK
[01:12] <doubletwist> I know I could set it as a script that runs at login ,but I'd prefer that it be the default and work for any users who log in
[01:13] <Spirit-Sight> ok, I am back change the seting did nothing, also I have installed numlockx and still nothing based on the help thing
[01:13] <Spirit-Sight> !numlock
[01:16] <Spirit-Sight> my other question was "why does grub take forever to load, its slow then the rest of the system booting?"  and "Is others seeing stuff to do with udev... and symlink and kernel stuff when installed from blank slat?
[01:16] <Spirit-Sight> ?
[01:17] <mroc> i cannot access my encrypted home partition...can anyone please help me?  this problem just started after updates today.
[01:24] <doubletwist> well that didn't work
[02:06] <jdo> does anyone know of a fix to bug #432901
[02:07] <jdo> I hate to just start over on this
[02:11] <mrmcq2u_> Well I have those directories here
[02:33] <rashed2020> Why the hell does it join here automatically
[02:37] <Amaranth> rashed2020: what client?
[02:38] <rashed2020> mIRC. Auto-invite accept is off
[02:38] <rashed2020> brb pizza is here
[02:40] <lsmobrian> last update I guess killed my laptop, when it boots there is a message about grub(doesnt allow me to edit grub), then all the messages about udev that have started recently print.... then the laptop's monitor turns off, no backlight.  Any ideas on how to bugcheck... would logs have been written if I mount the drive with a live cd
[03:24] <TerminX> edoceo: check out /etc/default/rcS, there's a toggle in there to make the script that updates the hwclock at shutdown use UTC, should fix the fsck issue
[03:28] <webbb82> im running karmic gnome and kde and the past day or two when i log out of the computer to log back in under a differant session at the log in screen insted of taking me to the log in screen it takes me to command line
 http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000886.html </rant>
[03:38] <cwillu> DanaG, which one is that?
[03:38] <cwillu> (browser is killall -STOP'd right now)
[03:38] <DanaG> that's the "no high-resolution desktop LCDs" one.
[03:39] <DanaG> Still just as true 2 years after the post.
[03:39] <DanaG> Posted in June 2009.
[03:39] <DanaG> er
[03:39] <DanaG> 2007.
[03:42] <webbb82> gnome-do runs very slow with my intel mobile 943 grafix card and the way to fix it is to add this command in the xorg.config file  but karmic doesnt have a xorg.config file what can i do
[03:43] <edgy> Hi, I have an entry called firefox installer while it's already installed, why would I need that, please?
[03:44] <komputes> anyone have a guide on recovering encrypted /home from another installation/computer?
[03:59] <Flakeparadigm> I've got a quick question about working with nvidia cards
[04:00] <Flakeparadigm> the driver works now, but I'm unnable to configure dual monitors. The nvidia-settings app doesn't do anything because there is no xorg.conf to save anything to, and the system app fails to see there is a second monitor.
[04:01] <Flakeparadigm> Anyone here know how to get it working with multiple monitors?
[04:03] <Brian___> i need some help i add'd somthing to xorg.conf and upon reboot i cant log in  how can i del xorg.conf from the terminal
[04:25] <verbalshadow> i'm having problems with plasma-netbook, i started it to play with it on my laptop, now ever i log in it starts, i have remove everything ~/.kde/Autostart & ~/.kde/share/autostart and google hasn't been any help anyone have any idea?
[04:28] <DBO> dtchen, my sound started working again O_O
[04:28] <DBO> randomly
[04:29] <mvillmow> I upgraded a beta via apt-get two nights ago and now I cannot use the mouse or keyboard when kde login starts, anyone know of this problem or a quick way to fix it? Google doesn't seem to have anything
[04:56] <[GuS]> Hi Guys, since installed Kubuntu karmic i have a small delay when typing in konsole/yakuake... is there a related bug about it or something?
[05:02] <[GuS]> ups.. disconnected
[05:38] <mattwj2002> hey guys
[05:40] <tonyyarusso> Anyone care to fill me in on the status of Webkit in Epiphany?
[05:42] <bucky> Epiphany has it's own version of webkit called epiphany-webkit
[05:43] <tonyyarusso> um, that's the version of epiphany that uses webkit bucky, not a different version of webkit.
[05:43] <bucky> ok
[05:44] <webbb82> i need some help , i dunno what i did but the software store isnt in my menu anymore
[05:48] <bucky> tonyyarusso, if you really want to know you could log on to irc.gnome.org #epiphany  they're pretty friendly
[05:57] <tsoncul> Hey everyone
[05:57] <tsoncul> is anyone aware of any problems with the desktop mode switcher in karmic-a6-netbook?
[06:37] <zebrafusion> hi, I just updated and now my touchpad mouse isn't working
[06:37] <zebrafusion> any ideas?
[06:50] <rohdef> what is the command if I want to make a bugreport on an app and want the system to automatically collect debug info?
[06:57] <Cheery> hm. are the LTS stuff those that are being maintained longer?
[06:58] <Cheery> (and when next one comes? one seems being released year ago..)
[07:02] <tsoncul> Cheery: yes, the LTS versions are long-term support versions
[07:02] <tsoncul> Cheery: the next one is 10.04, to be released Apri 2010
[07:03] <Cheery> and it's going to be another 3 years?
[07:03] <tsoncul> Cheery: For the desktop edition, yes
[07:04] <tsoncul> Cheery: Server LTS editions are supported for 5 years
[07:05] <Cheery> hm.. I have 8.10 now, wondering whether should wait for 10.04 instead of updating to 9.10
[07:06] <Cheery> hm.
[07:06] <Cheery> your major version number is year
[07:06] <Cheery> and minor is month
[07:06] <tsoncul> Really depends on your taste
[07:06] <tsoncul> exactly:)
[07:07] <Cheery> well, I guess there's some stuff I should upgrade anyway, like irssi.
[07:07] <tsoncul> If you want to upgrade, there really is no point waiting for the LTS, imho
[07:07] <tsoncul> LTS means that if you DON'T want upgrades, you're good for 3 years instead of 1.5
[07:09] <tsoncul> 9.10 is still alpha, though. If you want a stable system, you should go for 9.04 or wait a month
[07:09] <anger_> or if you want to be on the safe side, wait more than a month
[07:09] <anger_> just to have some more bugs fixed :)
[07:10] <tsoncul> :D
[07:12] <Cheery> I have to first backup and look through the backed up stuff before jumping the 8.10
[07:12] <Cheery> it was about this time when I upgraded
[07:12] <Cheery> last time.
[07:13] <anger_> Have you by the way managed to upgrade your systems without clean installs?
[07:14] <anger_> For me it has most of the time been easier to just start with clean install
[07:14] <Cheery> I never use non-clean installs
[07:14] <Cheery> it's that you want to make sure nothing gets lost anyway
[07:15] <Cheery> and it's much nicer to have up a system that doesn't have any clutter
[07:18] <Cheery> it's sort of funny thing that's been happening in the computing lately.
[07:19] <Cheery> RAM has increased while machines have actually started to have SSD disks.
[07:19] <Cheery> do those things do caching to disk of any kind usually?
[07:21] <Cheery> though, gotten idea computers go to slugs if they have to do that anyway, since it's time consuming to load pages from disk.
[07:22] <Cheery> perhaps it was necessary on machines that had 1MB of RAM, but now?
[07:23] <Cheery> but then, it can be done based on frequency of use as well.
[08:50] <js> Amaranth: yes, used ubuntu-bug
[09:31] <diverse_izzue> could someone please check if epiphany also segfaults for them on startup?
[09:44] <Michalxo> hello all!
[09:44] <Michalxo> anyone having USB mouse input problems?!
[09:44] <Michalxo> my mouse won't work, only touchpad
[09:44] <Michalxo> none of 2 mices..
[09:45] <Michalxo> dmesg shows is as connected
[09:46] <Michalxo> ubuntu is getting more like windows... magic restarts.. I am gonna try one too
[09:46] <Michalxo> damn
[09:56] <eagles0513875> Michalxo: im on a usb wifi mouse and it works just fine for me
[10:02] <aboSamoor> I just used boot chart, my boot time is 37 seconds. I felt like it became longer before a week, where can I discuss this ?
[10:02] <diverse_izzue> aboSamoor, i guess this is the place. about a week ago, the whole startup process was changed to upstart, which in the long term is supposed to make it faster, but in the short term did the opposite.
[10:04] <aboSamoor> diverse_izzue: ok, I just wanted to be sure that people aware of the regression. another question is there any startup chart for gnome ?
[10:04] <diverse_izzue> aboSamoor, what do you mean for startup chart?
[10:04] <diverse_izzue> for -> by
[10:05] <diverse_izzue> oh, you mean a tool which analyses gnome login times?
[10:05] <aboSamoor> diverse_izzue: exactly
[10:06] <diverse_izzue> i think there is one, though not released for consumers. i remember i have seen graphical representations of gnome logins on planet.gnome.org, i think it was federico who had published them. maybe google helps.
[10:06] <BlackFate> aboSamoor, it is named, bootchart and you can install it
[10:06] <aboSamoor> diverse_izzue: I just discovered that using the same home folder from Jaunty makes things complicated. I have redundant entries in the startup applications !
[10:07] <aboSamoor> BlackFate: I used it for linux booting process, is the chart created for both gnome and linux ?
[10:07] <diverse_izzue> aboSamoor, then delete your custom ones and start afresh with the system wide ones. let me just find out where they are
[10:07] <Michalxo> eagles0513875, after restart it works for me too... but it's buggy :-/
[10:07] <eagles0513875> u run updates already for today Michalxo
[10:07] <Michalxo> yeah
[10:07] <eagles0513875> then again i also did a clean install of alpha 6
[10:07] <Michalxo> it happened only today.. probably wake up frfom suspend cause that
[10:08] <Michalxo> why? :)
[10:08] <BlackFate> aboSamoor, it only monitors boot times, and it stops monitoring when gdm starts
[10:08] <eagles0513875> Michalxo: had hell getting alpha 5 to work right with a duelboot on my macbook pro
[10:08] <Michalxo> ah
[10:08] <diverse_izzue> aboSamoor, the files are in ~/.config/autostart
[10:08] <aboSamoor> BlackFate: how can I use it to monitor gnome startup time ?
[10:08] <Michalxo> off to learn.. later
[10:08] <diverse_izzue> delete your custom ones
[10:09] <BlackFate> aboSamoor, you have autologin?
[10:09] <aboSamoor> BlackFate: not enabled
[10:09] <BlackFate> aboSamoor, there is no solid way to do that, the system cant really no when all applications are fully loaded
[10:09] <BlackFate> know*
[10:10] <aboSamoor> diverse_izzue: I am not sure. Which is mine and which is system wide, my home folder is working since 7.10
[10:11] <diverse_izzue> aboSamoor, http://www.gnome.org/~federico/index.html#improving-login-time
[10:11] <aboSamoor> BlackFate: so I should enable the autologin ?
[10:11] <diverse_izzue> aboSamoor, i just told you which are yours :-)
[10:11] <aboSamoor> diverse_izzue: you mean all these files in home folder are mine ?
[10:11] <diverse_izzue> right
[10:12] <diverse_izzue> the others are somewhere in /etc
[10:12] <BlackFate> aboSamoor, wont help i guess
[10:15] <diverse_izzue> aboSamoor, in /etc/xdg/autostart actually, you can safely delete the ones in your home directory to start afresh with system defaults
[10:16] <aboSamoor> diverse_izzue: what should I do with the link you sent, I already disabled gnome-panel from the startup. It seems it is targeting developers and it a bit quite old 2006
[10:17] <diverse_izzue> aboSamoor, you shouldn't do anything with it. but there's information how to monitor gnoem login process, but you also see that it's quite complicated, you have to patch programs and stuff
[10:18] <diverse_izzue> aboSamoor, completely true
[10:18] <aboSamoor> diverse_izzue: I found that before, but I thought  they patched boot chart in 2006 to make new package for gnome, but it does not seem true.
[10:19] <diverse_izzue> could somebody with a spare minute install epiphany browser (webkit) and check whether it segfaults on startup for the mas well?
[10:19] <diverse_izzue> aboSamoor, maybe try to ask in a gnome dev channel
[10:24] <aboSamoor> diverse_izzue: installed epiphany-webkit and opened debian.org without problems
[10:25] <diverse_izzue> aboSamoor, thanks for checking, i realised that if i rename ~/.gnome2/epiphany, the crashes go away, so i'll run in in gdb. thanks for trying.
[10:26] <aboSamoor> diverse_izzue: welcome :), and thanks very much for the help :).
[10:26] <aboSamoor> BlackFate: thanks for the help :)
[10:27] <BlackFate> aboSamoor, :D
[11:06] <Freak_NL> Is Empathy broken on alpha 6?
[11:08] <tsoncul> Freak_NL: No, it's not
[11:08] <tsoncul> at least, not for me
[11:08] <tsoncul> what's the problem?
[11:09] <Freak_NL> Nothing connects
[11:09] <Freak_NL> Or I just don't understand Empathy yet
[11:09] <tsoncul> :)
[11:09] <GobiTheGoblin> 100MB of updates =]
[11:09] <tsoncul> MSN and IRC work with empathy
[11:10] <Freak_NL> It may be because the new user wizard got stuck at one point, so I want to start over with a clean slate
[11:10] <Freak_NL> but I can't find where Empathy stores its account data
[11:10] <Freak_NL> not in ~/.config
[11:10] <Freak_NL> nor .Empathy
[11:10] <Freak_NL> any idea?
[11:10] <tsoncul> nope
[11:11] <tsoncul> I'm looking though
[11:11] <Freak_NL> Appreciated
[11:12] <GobiTheGoblin>  .gconf/apps/empathy
[11:13] <Freak_NL> I only see settings there, no actual account data
[11:16] <Freak_NL> .mission-control/accounts/
[11:16] <Freak_NL> Long live grep
[11:17] <tsoncul> yeah
[11:17] <tsoncul> there they are:)
[11:24] <Freak_NL> Well, I've added account details for AIM and IRC, but nothing shows up
[11:25] <Freak_NL> The icons in the account list stay greyed out, should they have more colour in a working Empathy?
[11:25] <Freak_NL> (accounts are enabled of course)
[11:27] <tsoncul> I don't kno
[11:27] <tsoncul> I can't enable y MSN account now
[11:27] <tsoncul> my entire system went down though, so I can't say for sure
[11:31] <tsoncul> Freak_NL: yes, you do have colour in Empathy
[11:31] <Freak_NL> odd
[11:31] <tsoncul> that is, if the account is enables
[11:31] <Freak_NL> what does it show in the main window when you have an IRC account enabled?
[11:31] <tsoncul> enabled*
[11:31] <Freak_NL> I get nothing whatsoever
[11:32] <tsoncul> that's what's supposed to happen
[11:33] <tsoncul> go to Room, Join... and you can do things from there
[11:33] <tsoncul> NOT a good interface though
[11:33] <Freak_NL> Room is disabled
[11:33] <Freak_NL> The menu is disabled
[11:33] <tsoncul> you're not connected ten
[11:33] <tsoncul> then*
[11:33] <Freak_NL> Nope
[11:33] <Freak_NL> Very odd
[11:33] <Freak_NL> No useful debug messages either
[11:34] <tsoncul> on the accounts window, if it's greyed out, it's not connected or not enabled
[11:34] <tsoncul> if it's blinking between grey and color, it's connecting
[11:34] <tsoncul> color if OK
[11:34] <Freak_NL> All accounts have their icons greyed out, nothing connects or blinks at all
[11:34] <tsoncul> are you sure you're connected to the internet at all?
[11:34] <Freak_NL> Toggling the enabled checkbox and applying does nothing
[11:35] <Freak_NL> I am here now :)
[11:35] <tsoncul> :)
[11:35] <Freak_NL> Unless you are on my computer, I am connected
[11:35] <tsoncul> I thought you might be on two computers at once
[11:35] <Freak_NL> XChat works fine
[11:35] <tsoncul> that's what I'm doing
[11:35] <tsoncul> ok
[11:35] <tsoncul> well
[11:35] <Freak_NL> Just the one laptop now
[11:35] <tsoncul> I couldn't enable MSN a secind ago
[11:36] <tsoncul> I would check enable, say Apply and nothing happened
[11:36] <tsoncul> and when I clicked on something else, it asked me if I was sure I wanted to discard changes
[11:36] <tsoncul> rebooting solved that problem
[11:37] <tsoncul> also, are you using unr?
[11:37] <Freak_NL> Didn't enable it
[11:38] <tsoncul> well, under system/administration, do you see something called "Services"?
[11:38] <diverse_izzue> is it a bug or a feature that the latest empathy doesn't show the tray icon anymore?
[11:38] <tsoncul> I'm guessing a bug
[11:39] <tsoncul> I just noticed that
[11:39] <Freak_NL> No such thing there
[11:39] <tsoncul> OK
[11:39] <Freak_NL> Besides, IRC is working through XChat
[11:39] <Freak_NL> Ah!
[11:39] <Freak_NL> Hang on, could it be related to Network-Manager not working?
[11:40] <tsoncul> try mozilla?
[11:40] <Freak_NL> I'm online because I just DHCP'ed from the terminal
[11:40] <Freak_NL> Network-Manager thinks I'm offline
[11:40] <Freak_NL> because it doesn't work with 802.1x anymore
[11:40] <Freak_NL> (huge bug there)
[11:41] <tsoncul> it does work for me
[11:42] <tsoncul> diverse_issue: it's a feature that Empathy doesn't have the tray icon
[11:43] <tsoncul> diverse_issue: LP:#290471
[11:45] <tsoncul> diverse_issue: if you're using UNR netbook, the rightmost icon actually has the Empathy things in it
[11:46] <tsoncul> diverse_issue: as well as the ability to log out or shutdown
[11:46] <Freak_NL2> Does this work?
[11:46] <Freak_NL2> (from Empathy)
[11:46] <tsoncul> Freak_NL2: Yes
[11:47] <Freak_NL2> Thanks
[11:47] <diverse_izzue> tsoncul, i'm not using the panel applet which has the user switch stuff and so on
[11:47] <tsoncul> np
[11:47] <diverse_izzue> tsoncul, why does the notify-applet show pidgin even if it's not running?
[11:47] <tsoncul> pidgin?
[11:48] <tsoncul> no idea whatsoever
[11:48] <diverse_izzue> yes pidgin. i have it installed, but it's not running
[11:48] <tsoncul> no idea
[11:48] <tsoncul> does it come with 9.10?
[11:48] <tsoncul> default?
[11:48] <Oli``> Anybody booted a fully-updated system in the past hour? (Just wondering if I reboot now, if I'll be able to get back to a desktop)
[11:49] <diverse_izzue> tsoncul, no it's not installed by default anymore, but not removed on upgrade either
[11:50] <tsoncul> diverse_issue: OK then. I have a clean install, so I wouldn't know. No idea why it behaves that way.
[11:50] <tsoncul> Oli: MY fully-updated system boots without problems.
[11:50] <tsoncul> Oli: just so you know.
[11:53] <tsoncul> Oli: however, there's apparently a batch of Gnome 2.28 stuff coming down the pipe, so beware.
[11:59] <Oli``> tsoncul: I'll get my weekly restart in before that hits me then =) thanks
[12:00] <tsoncul> Oli: no problem:)
[12:13] <freak_nl2> The first Firefox add-on installed after installing Flash is Flashblock. It seems counter-intuitive.
[12:13] <virtuald> have you seen this
[12:13] <virtuald> (1977-04-05 11.30.55) *unicef Cissi (F) ? ? 8-) Ensam är stark: kom hit och ät frukost
[12:14] <virtuald> time traveling msn offline messages in pidgin
[12:15] <Ian_> The following packages have been kept back: mysql-server mysql-server-5.0 xvidcap
[12:15] <Ian_> anyone any insight on that?
[12:23] <popey> Ian_: that can happen if a dependancy has not made it to the archive yet
[12:23] <popey> Ian_: pretty normall occurance in a fast moving development release
[12:30] <stevem> Hey does anyone know if Lubuntu will make it for the 9.10 release?
[12:30] <Tekno> wut
[12:31] <Tekno> Lubuntu??
[12:31] <stevem> If you don't know what it is then you probably won't have an answer
[12:32] <Tekno> ask from lubuntus channel
[12:33] <Dai> then it isn't officially supported and the official answer would probably something like "ubuntu has no control over their release schedule as they are not affiliated with ubuntu or canonical"
[12:33] <Dai> that's just a guess though
[12:33] <stevem> Shuttleworth has invited their team to make a release that will go official
[12:33] <stevem> So I was wondering if that was timed for the karmic release's or not
[12:34] <Ian_> popey: i know but the package has been stuck for quite some time on my system now :)
[12:34] <Dai> ah ha
[12:34] <Ian_> i was wondering if it was only for me
[12:34] <stevem> Dai, ah ha ?
[12:35] <Dai> stevem: i wasn't aware it was moving to an officially sponsored state
[12:35] <stevem> well thats the aim
[12:35] <stevem> basically it'll compete with xubuntu
[12:36] <Dai> then i will selfishly hope it never becomes official
[12:36]  * Dai is a xubuntu fan
[12:36] <Tekno> there is already distros which base on ubuntu and have LXDE
[12:36] <stevem> Xubuntu has many flaws, incomplete freedesktop support, dependancies on shared libraries
[12:36] <Tekno> crunchbang is great
[12:37] <stevem> LXDE addreses all that - you only have the components you want... but it's still GTK+ 2
[12:37] <stevem> and the menu can actually be edited lol
[12:37] <Dai> but it's hideous
[12:37] <stevem> lol
[12:37] <Dai> in my opinion
[12:38] <stevem> no I agree, the screenshots the lxde web site offer arn't amazingly appealing - especially not with an Internet Explorer icon on the desktop
[12:38] <Dai> yeah, that really gives the appearance that they just want to be windows lite
[12:38] <stevem> but it can look as nice as you want it to (it is just a panel, a menu, and a few apps after all)
[12:38] <Dai> i already use pcmanfm, which is awesome
[12:38] <stevem> yup
[12:39] <stevem> I'm quickly falling out of favour with desktop environments... kde, gnome, and xubuntu
[12:39] <stevem> or rather xfce
[12:39] <stevem> LXDE presents what windows has... a shell :D
[12:39] <Tekno> and gnome doesnt have?
[12:40] <stevem> Tekno, gnome-core is OK but it still gives alot more crap than just a panel
[12:41] <stevem> I don't want gnome's terminal, text editor, settings manager, graphics viewer, and file manager just because I want the panel
[12:42] <stevem> and the zillions of gnome libraries to make it all happen
[12:42] <Tekno> but can you live without nm-applet
[12:42] <Tekno> in lxde
[12:42] <stevem> lxde can use nm-applet if you want it, but they've already got an alternative to it
[12:43] <stevem> I always thought xfce was the "shell" I wanted, but it just ended up being another full "desktop environment" that was a little cleaner than gnome
[12:44] <stevem> but with incomplete freedesktop support - grr
[12:44] <stevem> anyway I'm ranting
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> Yes :) you are.
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> freedesktop confuses me a ttimes.. when i read their specs/docs/guides/stuff.. :)
[12:48] <Ian_> i want nm-applet to have an option "connect to this at boot" :(
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> but it does seem these diffrent desktops work better and better together all the time.
[13:01] <oli````> argl just rebooted my main system and it's failing at initramfs ("Gave up waiting for root device") is there a known fix for this?
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. not seen that error befor.
[13:07] <oli````> it also says my disk /dev/disk/by-uuid/blah-blah does not exist... I've cded in there from the busybox shell and I can't even find a /dev/disk/ dir
[13:08] <oli````> could this be a udev issue?
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> now you got me scared to update/upgrade/reboot :)
[13:10] <vigo> I had a bunch of updates, was almost scary.
[13:10] <oli````> well if you check the logs I asked if it was safe to update about 30 minutes ago... *sigh* Wonder how I'll fix it
[13:10] <vigo> See,s to be working, log files are all in order.
[13:10] <oli````> *safe to reboot
[13:11] <eagles0513875> guys i updated and rebooted on me duel boot on my macbook
[13:11] <oli````> right. live-usb time
[13:11] <eagles0513875> hold on oli````
[13:11] <vigo> oli````, Did you safe-upgrade or ....
[13:11] <eagles0513875> rebooting now
[13:12] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: booting into karmic right now
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  :) good luck!
[13:12] <eagles0513875> mine i did a clean install of alpha 6
[13:12] <vigo> Mass reboot?
[13:12] <eagles0513875> vigo: ?
[13:13] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: any updates today are causing no issues
[13:13] <eagles0513875> oli````: you upgrade from jaunty or clean install of alpha 6
[13:13] <vigo> I was not prompted to restart after that update, I think I should.
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Nautilys is using 98% of one cpu....
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> guess im lucky i got a 2nd cpu only being used by 23%
[13:22] <oli````> vigo: just used update manager
[13:22] <alankila> linux -- now enhanced to make full use of all the hardware you have bought.
[13:23] <oli````> eagles0513875, I upgraded from Jaunty at alpha 2... I've just done a recent upgrade that has broken boot
[13:23] <oli````> can't get my stupid alpha 2 live usb stick to give me keyboard/mouse control so I'm back here on the media centre
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> doh - it just died.. :) and restarted..
[13:30]  * oli```` wishes he had a gigabit internet connection... 20 minutes is too long to wait for an iso when your main system is down
[13:38] <GobiTheGoblin> I am using this netbook remix of karmic, have anyone else using this noticed that netbook-laucher actually eats quite bit a cpu constantly
[13:42] <eagles0513875> oli````: :( i got on at alpha 5 which was horribly broken
[14:07] <fabio_> hello everyone
[14:07] <fabio_> yesterday I upgraded to kubuntu 9.10 alpha and now (with new kde and everything) my usb stick doesn't show up nowhere when I plug it in
[14:07] <fabio_> what am I to do?
[14:08] <Dr_Willis> I had some issues with usb media not showing up automatically
[14:08] <Dr_Willis> i just mounted them manually
[14:09] <fabio_> well that's allright, I'm doing the same
[14:09] <fabio_> but...
[14:09] <Dr_Willis> then an update or 2 later - they started working
[14:10] <fabio_> hal and automount and other sh** should work, shouldn't they?
[14:10] <fabio_> ah well ok you mean it will resolve on it's own?
[14:10] <fabio_> thanks then.
[14:11] <Dr_Willis> file a bug report.. but be sure to update/upgrade  befor doing so
[14:13] <Ian_> is al running?
[14:13] <Ian_> hal*
[14:14] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. I just got several kde updates just now.
[14:18] <Heero2007> Hi
[14:18] <Heero2007> Hi
[14:18] <Heero2007> I have a Problem
[14:19] <vega> won't we all
[14:20] <Heero2007> It says in the live CD alpha 6 that buffer error On device sr0
[14:20] <fabio_> how do I check whether hal is running? ps aux|grep hal ?
[14:21] <Heero2007> Any idea?
[14:24] <Heero2007> The error: end_request: I/O, dev sr0 , sector and Then a number
[14:30] <Heero2007> Anyone here?
[14:30] <lemonade> Heero2007: i guess you have bad media, try burning a new cd
[14:30] <James147> Heero2007: but burn at a slower speed if you can :)
[14:32] <Heero2007> Ok:) i try it
[14:34] <Heero2007> Also the font is to big. How can i change it?
[14:43] <judgen> what are the package names for the source and headers for 2.6.30-10?
[14:47] <tormod> judgen: look here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/
[14:48] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:55] <uni4dfx> "Karmic is NOT RELEASED and may break your system"
[14:55] <uni4dfx> what do i do if it does
[14:55] <David-T> cry
[14:55] <David-T> or fix it
[14:55] <tormod> uni4dfx: you should update it first...
[14:56] <uni4dfx> yeah i can't
[14:56] <David-T> clearly, how to fix it depends on how it is broken
[14:56] <uni4dfx> didn't load my network module
[14:56] <tormod> load it manually?
[14:56] <uni4dfx> how do i know which one
[14:56] <uni4dfx> i never really bothered to check which one it was because it worked perfectly :P
[14:56] <tormod> so how do you know it is not loaded :)
[14:57] <uni4dfx> cuz most of them aren't and ifconfig doesn't show any devices
[14:57] <danbhfive> uni4dfx: you can use the livecd top update
[14:57] <uni4dfx> danbhfive: hmm yeah that's probably the best way to resolve it
[14:57] <tj83_> morning all.
[14:59] <tj83_> I just got some updates and it left me broken for lets see 3rd time through dev of karmic :) yay gotta love testing! my problem is now upon reboot both full and recover i get a fsck error saying that it contained inconsistencies , well i ran fsck -f on that root and it checks out just fine. how can i force from kernel option to not check the file system?
[15:00] <tormod> tj83_: you don't want to do that
[15:01] <tj83_> tormod, ty for responding... enlighten me as to what i DO want to do plx
[15:01] <tormod> tj83_: did you get the latest kernel with the journal replay/fsck fix?
[15:01] <tj83_> plz*
[15:01] <tj83_> tormod, i just did an update and upgrade and rebooted as instructed and bam.. broken
[15:02] <tormod> tj83_: so you are stuck in a fsck - reboot loop?
[15:02] <tj83_> it halts, drops at root shell, on the partition in question so fsck cannot be done on the mounted part. i rebooted to jaunty, and checked the part, reports clean
[15:03] <tormod> mount -o remount,ro / ; fsck
[15:03] <tj83_> from jaunty or the root shell i am dropped to?
[15:03] <tormod> the root shellk
[15:04] <tj83_> ok, lemme try that.. brb
[15:04] <judgen> Why is rhythmbox dependent on gdm?
[15:05] <judgen> Have i missed some new functionality in the new gdm?
[15:06] <Dr_Willis> heh. :)
[15:06] <Dr_Willis> the new gdm main feature = lack of features.
[15:07] <uni4dfx> are daily builds alternate only?
[15:08] <judgen> Dr_Willis, good that i still use the old gdm then =)
[15:10] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I moved some files with nautilus and it crashed.. and they seemed to have vanished...
[15:11] <Dr_Willis> definatly having some odd  file manager issues with nautilus today
[15:13] <Dr_Willis> at least the files ARE there in the terminal :) so i dident lose them
[15:16] <judgen> seems epiphany-webkit is broken...
[15:17] <judgen> odd.. now it works.
[15:17] <judgen> all i did was install the extensions package
[15:23] <tj83_> hmm, no scrollbak log in xchat... odd.
[15:23] <tj83_> whomever it was that was trying to help me, thanks, 5th reboot seems to be the charm... never got to input " mount -o remount,rw / ; fsck" it just booted up... odd
[15:24] <darthanubis>  http://www.miroguide.com/items/2476275        does this page display video for anyone? If so what are you using for m4v(quicktime)  plugin?
[15:26] <djdarkman> the Alpha6 netbook remix  CD is horribly broken is there another way to install UNR?
[15:28] <a1fa> arghh
[15:28] <a1fa> anybody elses xorg freezing up in alpha6?
[15:28] <a1fa> intel graphics
[15:28] <a1fa> i think its gnome thats freezing up actually
[15:29] <tj83_> can someone tell me why i find updates with sudo apt-get upgrade and then there will be packages in dis-upgrade even tho we are still alpha6?
[15:29] <djdarkman> the cursor freezes for me
[15:29] <djdarkman> before GDM even has a chance to start
[15:29] <Pici> tj83_: dist-upgrade is for pulling in packages that have new dependencies, its a misnomer that it is for upgrading to a new release.
[15:31] <tj83_> Pici, ok, i understand, but why is it that like just couple days ago i went from alpha 5 to 6 with dist-upgrade and yet today there were new packages listed for dist-upgrade today even tho i just did a sudo apt-get upgrade? i'm confused as the structure of package release in development stages
[15:31] <djdarkman> can someone help me out with this isse?
[15:31] <djdarkman> *issue
[15:31] <a1fa> no
[15:32] <Pici> tj83_: An alpha release is just a snapshot of the repositories at a specific point in time. Doing a dist upgrade in alpha 5 gets you to the latest set of packages, not necessarily what what released for Alpha 6.
[15:32] <BluesKaj> djdarkman, kde3 remix ?
[15:33] <Pici> tj83_: I always do dist-upgrades, its the only way to ensure that I'm getting the latest pacakges.
[15:33] <tormod> djdarkman: what graphics card?
[15:33] <djdarkman> BluesKaj: no, Ubuntu Netbook Remix, Intel card
[15:33] <tj83_> hmm... still confuse Pici notice the chain of events... dist-upgrade from 5 to 6, i get this so far, then in 6 this morning just matter of minutes ago, i do a sudo apt-get upgrade. so this should bring me current for 6 right? yet after this upgrade, i do a dist-upgrade and yet it pulls more packages
[15:34] <djdarkman> none of the options seemt to work(Live session, or install)
[15:34] <tormod> tj83_: "alpha 6" is techically just a daily snapshot, rebranded
[15:35] <BluesKaj> djdarkman, sorry, i'm not familiar with  Netbook Remix
[15:35] <tj83_> tormod, i think it was you how tried to help me earlier ty, dunno what happened, 5th reboot booted fine.
[15:35] <Pici> tj83_: You could have done a dist-upgrade a day after getting Alpha 5 and you would have gotten new packages.
[15:35] <tormod> tj83_: good
[15:35] <tj83_> right... Pici thanks for trying... only think i can guess is they pumped a few more packages out in matter of minutes after updating the system :P
[15:36] <Pici> tj83_: There are always updates available.  I dist-upgrade every day.
[15:36] <tj83_> Pici, i will adopt your habit no more just apt-get upgrade for me... why this is even there now is trivial to me
[15:37] <Pici> tj83_: Because doing just 'upgrade' is safer in some respects.
[15:37] <minimec> Hi folks. The first tim e for a long time I am installing ubuntu with an Integrated Intel GPU. I started 9.10 and 8.10 and compared 3D perfomance (Look and feel & glxgears). Is the Intel GPU speed regression still that heavy in karmic? That 82865G Intel speed has half the 'speed' in 9.10, compared to 8.10... :(
[15:38] <tormod> djdarkman, alfa: there are known issues with intel. you can try booting with: i915.modeset=0
[15:39] <a1fa> eee
[15:39] <tormod> minimec: glxgears lies. try some real 3D apps
[15:39] <natewiebe13> i did find that glx gears is 3 times slower in gnome-shell than compiz
[15:40] <BluesKaj> natewiebe13, depends on the glxgears screen size
[15:41] <peeps> when i boot, grub says entering recovery mode, and my  hard drive thrashes for about 10-15 seconds before it even shows the grub menu.  is this normal?
[15:41] <natewiebe13> BluesKaj: just ran using "glxgears" no changes
[15:41] <a1fa> tormod : can i put that into grub config?
[15:41] <peeps> why is it doing so much work just to show the grub menu?
[15:41] <tormod> alfa, yes, on the kernel line
[15:42] <a1fa> tormod : awesome
[15:42] <BlackFate> !intel | BlackFate
[15:42] <minimec> tormod: I am using the live disk, as I have to setup that machine. During basic system check (checking that hardware was 100% working I got an X-freeze... That's when I tried 8.10. No freezes here.
[15:43] <natewiebe13> someone made mr doobs iteration 3 for xsplash
[15:43] <natewiebe13> im going to try it out
[15:43] <minimec> tormod: I don't know what to do now, as it really seems to me, that this Intel chip is not working 100% with karmic
[15:44] <tormod> peeps: sounds bad, but do you really mean "grub menu", after entering recovery mode?
[15:44] <a1fa> !intel | a1fa
[15:45] <peeps> tormod, it looks like a normal grub menu, and boots fine once grub finally loads
[15:45] <peeps> don't know why it's automatically going into recovery mode though
[15:45] <peeps> whatever that is
[15:45] <tormod> peeps: I am not familiar with the grub recovery mode
[15:46] <a1fa> once you go to development branch, is there anyway to roll to stable once that branch turns into stable
[15:46] <Dr_Willis> of course thats how the package manager works/its main featutres
[15:46] <tormod> a1fa: you'll stay on karmic even when turns stable
[15:46] <Dr_Willis> in theory :)
[15:46] <a1fa> tormod : uknown boot option i915.modest=0
[15:46] <Dr_Willis> sometimes it even works...
[15:47] <tormod> a1fa: typo
[15:47] <a1fa> i915.modeset=0
[15:47] <tormod> a1fa: never mind, the kernel complains anyway
[15:47] <kklimonda> a1fa, when it turns stable you dont have to do anything else
[15:48] <a1fa> kklimonda : awesome
[15:48] <tormod> minimec: did you try i915.modeset=0 ?
[15:48] <a1fa> i guess since apt uses the actual release name
[15:48] <a1fa> i remember in debian old days if you used "stable"
[15:48] <a1fa> or "testing"
[15:48] <a1fa> you were in trouble
[15:49] <Dr_Willis> debian = rollign release... ubuntu isent.
[15:49] <minimec> tormod: I did not until now. I will try that, thx.
[15:49] <kklimonda> Dr_Willis, not really
[15:50] <natewiebe13> how can you get an  open terminal while you are logging in?
[15:50] <a1fa> ook.. it hasnt frozen up yet
[15:50] <a1fa> even though it never took i915.modeset=0
[15:51] <oli`````> Hoorah. I'm finally on a live boot on my broken karmic box. Now. Any ideas why initramfs might not be able to find my root filesystem?
[15:51] <a1fa> $ glxinfo | grep render
[15:51] <a1fa> direct rendering: Yes
[15:51] <a1fa> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 865G GEM 20090712 2009Q2 RC3 x86/MMX/SSE2
[15:51] <tormod> minimec, a1fa, djdarkman: see bug 431812 and otherwise look for filed bugs or file new bugs
[15:51] <a1fa> :) finally
[15:52] <tormod> 3 guys with broken intel here, not good...
[15:52] <a1fa> it works for me now
[15:52] <a1fa> with the latest upgrade
[15:53] <tormod> a1fa: are you sure it did not take modeset=0?
[15:53] <a1fa> it said "unknown boot option"
[15:53] <a1fa> so i am assuming it skipped it
[15:53] <tormod> a1fa: it will always say that
[15:53] <natewiebe13> there is a way to open gnome-appearance while gdm is running.. anyone know how?
[15:53] <tormod> the kernel does not know it, only the intel module, loaded later
[15:53] <a1fa> tormod : would you like me to remove it and try again?
[15:54] <tormod> a1fa: yes to make things clear thanks
[15:54] <a1fa> one sec please
[15:54] <a1fa> ok it just froze up
[15:55] <a1fa> with i915.modeset=0
[15:57] <zer0x> hi all, is anyone having any problems with flashplugin-nonfree on x64 karmic? It does not accept mouse clicks e.g. play button on bbc iplayer!?
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> got an exact url for me to test?
[15:58] <a1fa> bug 287290
[15:58] <a1fa> lol
[15:58] <a1fa> wtf
[15:59] <minimec> tormod: That i915.modest=0 seems to work here, but I really hope that glxgears is google.ch
[15:59] <minimec> oups... :)
[16:02] <a1fa> 11320 frames in 5s
[16:02] <a1fa> :p
[16:03] <zer0x> a1fa: was that for my benefit?
[16:03] <zer0x> Dr_Willis: you need an url from me (flash x64 problem)?
[16:03] <minimec> tormod: Ok. the i915.modset is used in the kernel. Starting the live disk with this parameter gives me a stable X Server with glx, but no compiz.
[16:06] <zer0x> has anyone else got a problem with x64 flash on karmic?
[16:06] <a1fa> ARFGHZ
[16:06] <a1fa> gnome froze up again
[16:06] <zer0x> :P
[16:06] <a1fa> and all i did was play with buggy volume adjuster
[16:06] <Dr_Willis> zer0x:  a exact url to test.. would be handy yes....
[16:07] <Dr_Willis> but im about to go have lunch now...  :)
[16:07] <zer0x> Dr_Willis: Ah, Cheers, http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00mwc8j/Panorama_Banks_Behaving_Badly/
[16:07] <zer0x> ah np, enjoy :D
[16:07] <Dr_Willis> assuming i can play that here in the USA
[16:07] <zer0x> ah.. oops
[16:08] <Dr_Willis> cant play it in USA
[16:08] <zer0x> probably not.. I'll dig something out later on, at work at the moment, enjoy your food, I am starving! :D
[16:08] <minimec> lspci
[16:09] <Dr_Willis> I even tried to set up TOR one day to let me play the bbc one stuff.. :) couldent get it working..
[16:09] <natewiebe13> anyone know how to start a terminal during login?
[16:09] <zer0x> Hehe, that would be a lot of buffering if you did get it to work!
[16:10] <Dr_Willis> zer0x:  i think the initial connection is tor based..  i saw some guides on it.. but never got it working
[16:10] <Dr_Willis> natewiebe13:  you meean a rescue/recovery/root terminal?
[16:10] <zer0x> Dr_Willis: ah, being in the UK i've never had to look into it :)
[16:10] <natewiebe13> Dr_Willis: nope.. a terminal for the gdm user to start gnome-appearance
[16:10] <natewiebe13> ive done it before.. but i cant remember
[16:10] <minimec> a1fa: what intel chip do you have? Mine is a 82865G Intel. that i915.modset=0 is somekind working for me, as I doesn't get X freezes anymore.
[16:11] <natewiebe13> Dr_Willis: which allows customization of the gdm
[16:11] <tormod> minimec, a1fa, djdarkman: please make sure you intel freezes are properly filed as bug reports
[16:11] <Dr_Willis> natewiebe13:  gdm used to have   a featute for that in its configs to launch an app at startup.
[16:11] <Dr_Willis> I had it run that Xfishtanks befor. :)
[16:11] <natewiebe13> Dr_Willis: i just need to be able to run terminal during login and im set
[16:12] <Dr_Willis> I thought GDM evenhad a option to run its config tool (at one time) but this New GDM its all gone it seems.
[16:12] <djdarkman> tormod: how can I possibly file a bug report, when I can't even go that far, to start a console?
[16:12] <Dr_Willis> gdm.conf (or whatever) had a line for comands to run.
[16:12] <a1fa> minimec : try playing with volume control
[16:13] <natewiebe13> Dr_Willis: if you can start a terminal during login as the user "gdm" you can open gnome-appearance and modify the entire look of your gdm.. i have it done.. i want to change it again though
[16:13] <a1fa> Adri2000:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[16:13] <JanC> natewiebe13: do you mean the special session with an xterm that you can choose in GDM?
[16:13] <tormod> djdarkman: if you have ethernet (so you don't need to configure internet) you can boot with "text" and file a bug in text-mode using "ubunut-bug xserver-xorg-video-intel"
[16:14] <natewiebe13> JanC: there is a way to logout, then go to tty1 and choose to restart gdm with xterm running
[16:14] <tormod> djdarkman: and did you try i915.modeset=0 ?
[16:14] <djdarkman> tormod: it said that it's an invalid option
[16:15] <minimec> a1fa: You want me to listen some music? Ok. Just kidding. Will try that...
[16:15] <tormod> djdarkman: it was already mentioned here: ignore that warning
[16:15] <a1fa> mine froze up again
[16:16] <a1fa> all i did was log in and go to system->preferences
[16:16] <a1fa> and went up and down the menu
[16:16] <JanC> natewiebe13: what about switching to tty1, loging in and starting a terminal as the gdm user (pointing it to the correct screen)?
[16:16] <natewiebe13> JanC: that may be it..
[16:16] <minimec> djdarkman: I can confirm tormod's message to you. Ignore that 'invalid option' thing.
[16:17] <minimec> shoutcast.com
[16:17] <zer0x> natewiebe13: This might not be helpful, but if you want to customize gdm is the gui app 'Login Window' under System->Administration no good?
[16:17] <minimec> Offtopic: Never use two keyboards one next to the other!!!
[16:17] <djdarkman> it still doesn't help
[16:18] <JanC> use sudo to switch user, use the --display option to point to gdm X session...
[16:18] <natewiebe13> zer0x: that doesnt allow theme customization
[16:19] <Dr_Willis> or figure out what user is the gdm session. :) and run the command as him..
[16:19] <Dr_Willis> that seems weird... is there a gdm user home dir?
[16:20] <JanC> it's the 'gdm' user and yes it has a homedir (but not in /home)
[16:20] <a1fa> minimec : synergy?
[16:20] <JanC> $ grep gdm /etc/passwd
[16:20] <JanC> gdm:x:108:118:Gnome Display Manager:/var/lib/gdm:/bin/false
[16:20] <Dr_Willis> gdm:x:113:120:Gnome Display Manager:/var/lib/gdm:/bin/false
[16:20] <Dr_Willis> :)
[16:20] <zer0x> xdm FTW!
[16:21] <minimec> a1fa: You are right. ;) Should try that...
[16:21] <a1fa> i have it
[16:21] <Dr_Willis> Hmm i wonder why the uid/gid differ
[16:21] <a1fa> all you have to do is edit /etc/gdm/init/Default
[16:21] <a1fa> and add 3 lines in there
[16:21] <a1fa> at the top
[16:21] <a1fa> killall -9 synergyc
[16:21] <a1fa> synergyc IP-ADDRESS-OF-SYNERGYS
[16:21] <a1fa> that's it :p
[16:21] <Dr_Willis> using synergy with gdm is  nifty trick
[16:22] <virtuald> is /bin/false in /etc/shells by default?
[16:22] <a1fa> Dr_Willis : mine works just fine
[16:23] <a1fa> you need two files
[16:23] <a1fa>  /etc/X11/Xsession.d/20synergyc
[16:23] <a1fa> and
[16:23] <a1fa>  /etc/gdm/Init/Default
[16:24] <a1fa> that's it
[16:24] <a1fa> i hate this crap.. you can no longer restart X
[16:24] <Dr_Willis> alt-ctrl-ssreq-k
[16:24] <a1fa> it doesnt work
[16:24] <natewiebe13> JanC: how do you choose the display to open xterm?
[16:24] <Dr_Willis> heh - i ran gnome-appearance-manager as gdm :)
[16:24] <virtuald> can someone check if they have /bin/false in /etc/shells or is it just me?
[16:24] <natewiebe13> Dr_Willis: how?
[16:25] <Dr_Willis> natewiebe13:  set gdm to have /bin/bash in passwd
[16:25] <minimec> a1fa: I play around with the live disk (also with the panel volume). X Server is stable but hardly usable. System  is quiet slow. At least that i915.modset=0 prevents the X server from crashing.
[16:25] <Dr_Willis> ran xhost + to allow the connection
[16:25] <zer0x> Dr_Willis: that is an alternative to ctrl-alt-backspace?
[16:25] <Dr_Willis> sudo -s to get to root...
[16:25] <JanC> natewiebe13: --display
[16:25] <Dr_Willis> zer0x:  ytes.
[16:25] <Dr_Willis>  then  su -l gdm
[16:25] <zer0x> Dr_Willis: nice, that was annoying me also!
[16:25] <Dr_Willis>  then export DISPLAY=:0.0
[16:25] <Dr_Willis> then ran the app
[16:26] <JanC> or the export option should work too indeed
[16:26] <JanC> and the display number has to be correct of course ;)
[16:27] <zer0x> virtuald: yes, and yes!
[16:27] <virtuald> thank you
[16:27] <zer0x> np
[16:27] <Dr_Willis> the xhost command MAY be needed to allow the display to be used.
[16:27] <Dr_Willis> otherwise users could just run apps on your display :)
[16:28] <Dr_Willis> Now if this works for the GDM in the 9.10 i dont know.
[16:28] <Dr_Willis> Guess i can test.. BRB
[16:28] <natewiebe13> Dr_Willis: i have gdm running in tty7, im in tty6 at the moment.. how could i start xterm on tty7?
[16:28] <Dr_Willis> natewiebe13:  no idea. I did it from X.
[16:28] <virtuald> i replace /bin/false with noshell which logs it before exiting
[16:28] <Dr_Willis> the xhost + command is needed to allow the connections
[16:28] <Dr_Willis> BRB
[16:29] <a1fa> is it i915.modset=0
[16:29] <a1fa> or i915.modeset=0
[16:29] <a1fa> which is it?
[16:29] <natewiebe13> JanC: what command would start xterm in a different display? (im in tty6 and want it to start in tty7)
[16:30] <minimec> a1fa: modset (set module).
[16:32] <Dr_Willis> That did not affect the gdm look at all here.
[16:32] <virtuald> natewiebe13: DISPLAY=:0.0 on the start of the command line
[16:32] <Dr_Willis> i am using the normal GDM thats with 9.10 not the older gdm. So that may be the issue
[16:32] <virtuald> natewiebe13: or just export DISPLAY=:0.0 if you're going to use it more than once
[16:33] <a1fa> i915.modset=0
[16:33] <a1fa> is this whats needed for grub?
[16:33] <tormod> with the "e" i915.modeset=0
[16:34] <minimec> tormod: a1fa: Oups agoin. I thought it was 'modset'
[16:34] <a1fa> tormod : ok.. so
[16:34] <a1fa> minimec : you did something else to stop the crashes
[16:35]  * tormod checks his typing history, always said "modeset" :)
[16:35] <natewiebe13> virtuald: "DISPLAY=0:0 xterm" cant open display
[16:35] <virtuald> natewiebe13: check your "spelling"
[16:35] <djdarkman> how can I change the GDM theme?
[16:35] <a1fa> tormod : i know.. =)
[16:35] <djdarkman> it's something stock, it's really ugly, not like the one I have seen in the Karmic mockups
[16:35] <minimec> a1fa: I probalby wrote 'modeset', but was thinking about 'modset', as there is clearly a difference after the 'modeset'-boot ;)
[16:38] <exco_> does anybody feel like confirming this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/379169
[16:40] <uni4dfx> ah yes, this is why Karmic broke... "update-rc.d: warning kerneloops stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (1)"; and then apt-get upgrade fails
[16:41] <a1fa> minimec : if your xorg is very slow, then you had a typo
[16:41] <Rods_Tiger> will google-gadgets work in 9.10?
[16:50] <zer0x> djdarkman: System->Administration->Login Window, there are a few built in I imagine it is very easy to build your own and add them here
[17:01] <djdarkman> zer0x: it's not there anymore :(
[17:02] <zer0x> djdarkman: ah, check your system for 'gdmsetup', its in the gdm-themese package otherwise
[17:03] <zer0x> *-themes
[17:08] <zer0x> djdarkman: I was wrong, its part of the 'gdm' package, should be under /usr/sbin, is it not there?
[17:33] <wekt> Hi.  I'm coming from Debian & trying out Koala.  Where does the XServer keep its configuration?  I looked for xorg.conf files, but find none.
[17:34] <Spike1506> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:35] <wekt> no
[17:35] <wekt> not  there
[17:36] <wekt> i forgot to write that i am using the 'netbook remix' .  Perhaps it makes a difference.
[17:39] <James147> wekt: xorg.conf is not needed anymore so dosent exist by default
[17:39] <James147> wekt: if it exists in the normal locations then it will still be used
[17:40] <wekt> can the xserver  be made to write out the config it uses?
[17:41] <James147> wekt: not sure, but if you use nvidia there is - nvidia-xconfig
[17:44] <sewa> hi!
[17:45] <sewa> gnome is broken for install
[17:45] <sewa> any workaround?
[17:45] <BluesKaj> wekt, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg , it may auto generate a Xorg.conf file
[17:50] <wekt> when I log in, it changes the resolution, so something must be stored in the user profile.  But where & what?  I guess it is something using randr
[18:04] <gnata> hi. looks like the last update breaks Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
[18:04] <gnata> the device is not created
[18:05] <gnata> anymore
[18:05] <sinan> hey all, I am getting a segmentation fault (in libdbus and gnome-session) when trying to start x, which renders my laptop not very useful.  (dmesg: http://pastie.org/626185.txt , Xorg.0.log: http://pastie.org/626187.txt)
[18:06] <sinan> gnata: damn it, that's one more problem :( i have had TONS of troubles since updates 2 days ago
[18:06] <sinan> gnata: any workarounds?
[18:06] <gnata> gnata: well i have didscover the pbone minute ago ;)
[18:07] <sinan> i see
[18:07] <sinan> i also have a missing /dev/pts, screwed up conditions !
[18:07] <gnata> I do have /dev/pts on mybox
[18:08] <sinan> then i am in deeper shit ! :D lol
[18:08] <gnata> as long as it boots...
[18:09] <sinan> i guess the fact that it boots is a plus, but without X, nor WiFi, i can't do much :)
[18:09] <sinan> been stuck for like 2 days
[18:09] <gnata> looks like an udev bug
[18:10] <sinan> tha'ts when i start wishing i didn't jump into an alpha release :P
[18:10] <gnata> lol
[18:11] <jussi01> !language | sinan
[18:11] <sinan> O.o ?
[18:11] <sinan> ok.
[18:17] <robin0800> can't install amarok after todays updates any ideas
[18:32] <hernan> Hello. I am trying to install Karmic Alpha 6 in a Toshiba Tecra A7. It has an intel 945 chipset. The font size is huge and is impossible to use it.
[18:32] <hggdh> robin0800: probably amarok needs to be rebuilt for the latest dependencies
[18:38] <gnata> sinan: ifconfig wlan0 up
[18:38] <sinan> gnata: thanks, will try
[18:38] <gnata> I can't test right now if it works
[18:39] <gnata> but it could
[18:39] <liveD> hi
[18:39] <liveD> i've installed the daily build of karmik but at the boot the monitor is black
[18:50] <tankdriver> liveD: try to press CTL+ALT+F1 and then CTL+ALT+F7, on my system this makes it work again.
[19:03] <Lenin_Cat_> is fglrx working with alpha 6?
[19:05] <Lenin_Cat_> is it?
[19:07] <DanaG> It works fine for me.
[19:08] <Lenin_Cat_> k
[19:08] <Lenin_Cat_> because my installation got broke and I might as well upgrade as the beta is coming out soon
[19:25] <funkyHat> Eurgh
[19:26] <funkyHat> Nasty hissing noise coming from my speakers
[19:27] <funkyHat> Actually it might just have been that track :/
[19:30] <funkyHat> No, appears to be the speakers/soundcard
[19:30] <funkyHat> I will try and find the root of it later, but it seems to have been introduced by an update today or yesterday
[19:47] <Brian___> i just did a apt0-get dist upgrade and its installing alot of stuff , did they just release a new update
[19:50] <Nattgew> Brian___: Gnome just jumped to 2.28
[19:50] <Brian___> oh cool i knew something must have happened
[19:51] <Nattgew> indeed, i was wondering why i had 100 MB of updates in one day
[19:51] <Brian___> it just came out today?
[19:52] <codevarun>  when I asked this room that which is better kubuntu or ubuntu then someone ask me which colour you like red or green when I said green he said his question is <one word> and doesn't need to answer can you tell me that <one word>? its a english word I am new at english
[19:53] <[31d1]> rhetorical?
[19:59] <wastrel> subjective?
[20:00] <hggdh> I got lost
[20:11] <ripps> dammit, I've lost all sound. Pulse, Alsa, OSS... nothing. I still here crackling when I just volume, but that's it.
[20:13] <sisif> Hello
[20:14] <sisif> Can somebody please tell me how I can have my RUN window back? I just updated to Karmic :P
[20:15] <Brian___>  the alt f2  windo9w?
[20:15] <sisif> Neah. Not working. That`s why I`m asking
[20:16] <sisif> And yes, I was referring to ALT + F2 window
[20:17] <Brian___> i know that there is a bug that is you changed the panel color to background image and not have it on "none use system theme"  that it wont work untill you put it back
[20:17] <codevarun> thanks to 31d1
[20:17] <Brian___> did u mess with the panel color?
[20:17] <codevarun> thanks once again
[20:17] <[31d1]> sure thing, codevarun
[20:18] <jarnos> Is it normal that there is some problem with openoffice.org-filter-binfilter in latest upgrades?
[20:18] <Brian___> i just did it,  i changed my panel color to transparent aND it made alt-f2 not work
[20:18] <codevarun> 31d1 do you have gmail id?
[20:18] <codevarun> can you tell me how can i improve my english?
[20:18] <Brian___> sisif: ?
[20:19] <Nattgew> jarnos: i noticed updates to openoffice but i didn't notice any problems
[20:19] <[31d1]> as someone that is awful at learning other languages, I doubt I have any insight
[20:19] <codevarun> bye the way one more problem when I insert the headphone I hear the voice from speaker and headphone both I mean headphone don't mute the in built laptop speaker
[20:19] <codevarun> ok
[20:20] <codevarun> :D
[20:20] <codevarun> i am good at english but vocab is poor
[20:21] <kklimonda> codevarun, wrt your sound bug report it on launchpad using ubuntu-bug alsa-base and then ping dtchen
[20:21] <sisif> Yes Brian___  ..
[20:21] <codevarun> kklimonda explain pls
[20:21] <Brian___> did that work
[20:23] <Brian___> i dont know why but for some reason if you change the color of the panel on yourt desktop to anything but "use gnome theme color"  it will make alt-f2 not work untill yoiu change the panel color back and reboot the computer
[20:23] <sisif> OK. Let me try that
[20:23] <Brian___> i just tried it and had to reboot after changing it back
[20:23] <kklimonda> codevarun, launch terminal, type ubuntu-bug alsa-base, a browser window will open where you have to log-in and describe your problem in detail. when you submit bug you can go back here and talk to dtchen - he'll ask you further questions.
[20:24] <Brian___> \use the "none use system theme" option under background inn the panel properties
[20:24] <Brian___> sisif: then reboot
[20:25] <codevarun> ok
[20:28] <Brian___> how can i start a bug report isnt it in the termianl appsomthin then the apps name that has the bug
[20:29] <Nattgew> Brian___: do you mean ubuntu-bug packagename?
[20:29] <Brian___> ys
[20:31] <sisif> Now, another question: any new about gpm? Especially the bug involving the adjustment of screen brightness ?
[20:32] <sisif> *news?
[20:32] <Brian___> sisif:  did that fix the problem with alt-f2\
[20:32] <sisif> Brian___: I didn`t reboot the PC yet.
[20:33] <Amaranth> sisif: What, you can't adjust the screen brightness?
[20:33] <Brian___> ok at least did you change the panel color around the time alt-f2 stopped working?
[20:34] <Amaranth> Brian___: I seriously doubt a full reboot is needed
[20:34] <Amaranth> Brian___: You could just logout
[20:34] <Amaranth> Or, if you're feeling hacky, run killall gnome-panel
[20:34] <sisif> Amaranth: yes, I can`t. I`m on a Acer notebook. I know that for 9.04 there was an issue with this. I was hoping that it was fixed in Karamic.
[20:34] <Brian___> well ya eithor way
[20:35] <sisif> *Karmic
[20:35] <Amaranth> sisif: Intel then?
[20:35] <sisif> Amaranth, you are referring to the CPU ?
[20:35] <Brian___> im on a acer aspire one my self
[20:35] <Amaranth> sisif: On my laptop with intel I can't change brightness unless I disable kernel modesetting
[20:35] <Amaranth> sisif: no, GPU
[20:35] <sisif> Amaranth, ATI HD 2400XT
[20:35] <Amaranth> ah
[20:36] <Amaranth> Well, I believe gnome-power-manager just uses xbacklight now
[20:36] <Amaranth> So it would be a driver bug if you can't change your brightness (or a kernel bug that the driver can't access it)
[20:36] <sisif> Amaranth, sorry, but I`m kinda of a newb with linux :P
[20:36] <Amaranth> Probably not a good idea to run karmic yet then :)
[20:37] <unggnu> hi all
[20:37] <unggnu> Does anyone have a Dell Inspirion 1525 here?
[20:37] <sisif> Brian___, well, the thing with panel color didn`t really worked ..
[20:38] <sisif> Amaranth, yeah, I was having the same feeling :P
[20:38] <Brian___> did you change it to use system theme and reboot
[20:38] <Amaranth> Just a week ago most people couldn't even boot karmic
[20:38] <sisif> Brian___, no reboot, just reloaded the gnome-panel
[20:38] <Amaranth> today some people still can't
[20:38] <sisif> Brian___, can`t reboot just now.
[20:38] <Brian___> ok well it only will change for me at least untill i reboot so
[20:39] <sisif> Brian___, got it. Will let you know after I do a reboot
[20:39] <Brian___> ok hope it works for you. its a weird bug but i haave been able to recreate it so
[20:40] <Brian___> i already filed a bug report on it
[20:40] <sisif> Amaranth, but I was please to notice that my 3D performance improved in Karmic.
[20:41] <sisif> Brian___, ok, rebooting now. BRB
[20:41] <Brian___> good luck
[20:42] <jarnos> My upgrade complains about openoffice.org-filter-binfilter and after partial upgrade, openoffice.org reports: "/usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libicuuc.so.40: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory".
[20:43] <korcan> sup peeps?  I need to reinstall my desktop, Is Karmic stable enough for it?  I know its alpha but I don't want to reinstall in another month...
[20:44] <jdo> korcan, how attached are you to it?
[20:44] <Brian___> it seems strable i have no bug issues
[20:44] <korcan> attached to what?
[20:44] <helios102> for the most part it seems to be working for me
[20:44] <jdo> korcan, your desktop...i mean if it breaks when you upgrade, will you be able to fix it
[20:45] <Glengrant> korcan - all relative :-) - I put karmic on new laptop and it has been good so far (managed to avoid major breakage last week by checking forums first)
[20:45] <jdo> helios102, how often do you apt-get upgrade
[20:45] <korcan> jdo, my desktop?  it is my main machine at the office
[20:45] <korcan> not that often, however that can change if if needs to
[20:45] <helios102> stick with stable then korcan
[20:45]  * jdo nods
[20:46] <sisif> Brian___,  changing the gnome-panel`s color to "uses system defaults" did not fixed the bug
[20:46] <jdo> korcan, it's as stable as a wooden bridge, you can use it, but you may need to flail our arms to keep balanced
[20:46] <Brian___> ha sorry i dunno it works for me
[20:46] <sisif> I`m still unable to bring the Run window by ALT+F2 key combo
[20:46]  * korcan lowers his head as he was excited to try the new version
[20:46] <Glengrant> korcan - you should also consider that you don't have to re-install next month - just upgrade then
[20:47] <helios102> korcan don't you have a spare rig?
[20:47] <sisif> Hmm, Is there any way do to a successful down-grade from 9.10 to 9.04 ? :D
[20:48] <Glengrant> u can still try it - assuming you have at least 1.5 GB or so you could easy test it in VirtualBox VM
[20:48] <helios102> good point
[20:48] <korcan> Dumb question,  how do I upgrade it?  Stick in the dvd and click upgrade?  I have never upgraded an Ubuntu box
[20:48] <Glengrant> update-manager -d on command line
[20:48] <sisif> In the Run window type: update-manger -d
[20:49] <korcan> ok thanks :)   stable with karmic in a VM it is...
[20:49] <kklimonda> sisif, not really
[20:50] <sisif> Figures :(
[20:50] <Glengrant> I even use a VM on my karmic - that allows me to check updates first in VM - and if they don't break too much I follow with updates on metal
[20:50] <sisif> Nice strategy :P
[20:50] <helios102> sisif.. what about saving your home folder and then re-installing 9.04?
[20:51] <Glengrant> that and looking for messages by bleediest egders on forum helped me skip the whole breakage day affair last week :-)
[20:52] <Glengrant> saving home folder (aka making backups) should be a given anyway
[20:52] <helios102> yeah
[20:52] <James147> I like having my /home on a different partition (in addition to backups) they i barl need to worry about reinstalling :)
[20:52] <sisif> helios102, I already have my /home on a different partition, so I can reinstall the / any time. But I`m kinda lazy those days
[20:53] <sisif> *these
[20:53] <sisif> Damn, my english is so rusty
[20:53] <helios102> i never do upgrades.. i always just reinstall
[20:54] <Glengrant> I've been using Ubuntu for 4 years and this is the 3rd time I upgraded during alpha - the only time I re-installed was after I wiped a unused xp partition
[20:54] <James147> helios102: same here
[20:54] <sisif> Oh, speaking of: is there any good tool that can do a "clone" of my install apps / settings, once I do a fresh install on my PC ?
[20:55] <helios102> dpkg can print a list of your packages i seem to remember
[20:55] <Glengrant> the settings are in various . files on your home
[20:55] <helios102> and settings are as Glengrant said
[20:57] <sisif> Then I`ll just stick with Karmic. It seems stable enough for daily tasks
[20:58] <helios102> yeah
[20:58] <sisif> Now if I can fix my brightness issue I could call it a day
[20:59] <Glengrant> what's wrong with your brightness?
[21:00] <sisif> Glengrant, don`t work to adjust it. That`s why I upgraded to Karmic in the 1st place. in 9.04 it seemed to be an issue with gpm and / or acer module
[21:01] <Glengrant> do u mean laptop keys - changing screen brightness?
[21:02] <sisif> That too. It`s note about the mapping of the key.
[21:03] <sisif> I mean, I could see the OSD brightness applet moving when I pressed the keys, but asides from that, nothing happened. The gnome-panel brightness applet didn`t work either.
[21:04] <Glengrant> I have a similar problem (about the only problem I have with my laptop - besides waiting for radeonhd to support my mobiility ati 4670) - the keys affect brightness - but not in a reasonable way - if I press lower  brightness keey - it goes down to a dimer level - and then can't get it up again (until I  reboot - then back to max brightness)
[21:04] <sisif> Glengrant, any solution to that ?
[21:06] <sisif> Oh, and MTP support seems to not work ..
[21:07] <sisif> So .. asides from getting a new Log In screen, no real updates for Karmic :P
[21:08] <Glengrant> sisif - sorry - no solution - but brightness is not a big worry - waiting patiently for fix to come :-)
[21:08] <Glengrant> New login screen? today ?
[21:09] <sisif> Glengrant, new .. as in different from the one I had on 9.04 :P
[21:09] <tasslehoff> there are no reported issue with the iso-cd for alpha 6? my system encountered an error while installing, and I just wanted to check that only my disk is corrupt before I burn another one :)
[21:09] <Glengrant> I've been waiting for a change to that - never liked the list of users thing
[21:09] <sisif> Ah, that`s the one i`m referring to ..
[21:09] <sisif> I don`t like it either
[21:09] <Glengrant> well - I'm sure it gets updated before release
[21:10] <sisif> Hope so.
[21:10] <Glengrant> to better fit with the ugly new splash (it's the first time I don't like the splash)
[21:10] <sisif> That last stable on (9.04) didn`t seem that good as previous releases
[21:10] <sisif> At least to me
[21:11] <Trewas> non-working brightness adjustment is kind of a big deal, on samsung nc10 the highest (and default) brightness is way too high to be used in a dim room
[21:12] <Glengrant> i feel your pain
[21:12] <Glengrant> it is a bit too bright here too - but bearable
[21:13] <sisif> Trewas, that was my point to. I am using my notebook at night lost of times and the brightness of the screen damages my eyes ..
[21:13] <Trewas> there's even a kernel patch for samsung laptops (bug 409889) but no lowish priority bug seems to get fixed, unless it is a pet peeve of some devel
[21:13] <sisif> Plus .. a dimmer screen can mean a longer battery life when you`re on the go
[21:14] <Ian_> screen brightness works fine on my laptop
[21:14] <sisif> So it does matters .. at least to me. I`ll rather have my webcam or my BT not working ..
[21:15] <sisif> Damn, I`m hungry :(
[21:15] <Glengrant> weird - I just tried the fn-up, fn-down keys again - and brightness control works now (Dell, not Samsung) - but it doesn't show the graphical notification anymore
[21:15] <sisif> You lucky one :P
[21:15] <eross> why move from hal to device-kit? just curious
[21:16] <Glengrant> hal - there's a whole article about that - wwait
[21:16] <Glengrant> wait - I'll see if I can find it
[21:16] <sisif> eross, cuz HAL was getting deprecated .. or so they say
[21:16] <sisif> Don`t really know what that means
[21:16] <sisif> But I guess they have a good reason for it
[21:16] <eross> long as my old wacom tablet still works
[21:17] <sisif> Lol
[21:17] <Ian_> it was old sisif :)
[21:17] <Glengrant> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/hal/2008-May/011560.html
[21:17] <Glengrant> above link has the explanation
[21:17] <eross> thanks
[21:18] <Glengrant> short version is - hal was great for its time - but since then suffered from coding problems that devicekit tries to solve
[21:18] <pwnguin> for example, your wacom tablet
[21:18] <sisif> Oh, how can I tell if my Wifi is working on g or draft n ?
[21:19] <Glengrant> hal is not being deprecated in one go - parts will be switched off when devicekit modules are ready
[21:19] <eross> release is 1 month away? cool
[21:19] <pwnguin> you've got multiple input devices with a wacom. hal doesn't have a good way to map one detected device to multiple inputs, I'm told
[21:19] <Glengrant> sisif: assmuning NM - right click on icon - "Connection Information"
[21:20] <sisif> Glengrant, I`m using WICD as NM
[21:21] <Glengrant> sorry - never used WICD
[21:21] <sisif> I like it better that NM
[21:22] <sisif> Ha. I`m just loving Google Chrome for linux
[21:22] <sisif> It`s WAY faster that FIrefox
[21:22] <sisif> *than
[21:22] <Glengrant> FF got way faster recently too
[21:22] <sisif> Which version ?
[21:23] <eross> is there an inherent evil in google? or is it my imagination?
[21:23] <sisif> eross, like MS in the early days ? :D
[21:23] <eross> think i'm too paranoid
[21:23] <Glengrant> to me extensions are a killer feature in favour of FF - but I also have Chrome installed and looking forward to what they'll achieve with their extensions
[21:23] <BUGabundo> boas noutes
[21:23] <BUGabundo> o/
[21:24] <BUGabundo> sisif: you would be better off with Chromium instead
[21:24] <Glengrant> eross - it makes sense to be wary - but so far google didn't seriously mess up - and they can't really risk it - competition is only a click away
[21:24] <helios102> google is evil.. but a nicer kind of evil
[21:24] <BUGabundo> Glengrant: I'm using FF 3.7
[21:24] <sisif> Glengrant, have to agree with you on the extension part. If chrome had that, I will be next to perfect
[21:24] <Glengrant> ms could get away with a lot because people are very dependent on their oos - its different for search and mail, etc...
[21:25] <sisif> BUGabundo, chromium take some fiddling to install. As for Chrome - dpkg -i : D
[21:26] <Glengrant> anybody got an idea why I cant install eclipse on karmic - it complains about dependencies
[21:27] <sisif> --f ?
[21:27] <Glengrant> I'm trying to avoid that
[21:27] <helios102> glengrant: i need to install that so i'll give it a go now
[21:28] <Glengrant> good luck - lemme know how it went after the smoke cleared :-)
[21:28] <sisif> Hmm. T -30 minutes and I`m off to home :P
[21:28] <BUGabundo> sisif: that's seems MUCH more work LOLOL
[21:28] <BUGabundo> and no updates
[21:29] <BUGabundo> just add the ppa (even cooler now in karmic) and be done with it
[21:29] <BUGabundo> Glengrant: try aptitude
[21:29] <sisif> BUGabundo, you are referring to Chromium vs Chrome ?
[21:29] <technot> quick question, does anyone know how often gnome polls the gconf xml file? i've made a change from ssh console, and i'm awaiting my allready logged in gnome to see the change and fire up vino-vnc ;-P
[21:29] <Glengrant> helios - I could try on my VM first
[21:29] <helios102> na its ok
[21:29] <Glengrant> just started VB :-)
[21:30] <BUGabundo> sisif: its build for your distro version and not generic, it has community support (aka fta from ububntu-mozillateam)
[21:30] <technot> the command i used was: "dbus-launch gconftool-2 -s -t bool /desktop/gnome/remote_access/enabled true"
[21:30] <sisif> BUGabundo, link please
[21:30] <helios102> i need a slap.. when i saw VB i thought Visual Basic lol
[21:30] <sisif> :P
[21:30] <technot> *slap* :)
[21:30] <BUGabundo> sisif: google: chromium ppa :)
[21:31] <Glengrant> [slap]!
[21:31]  * BUGabundo slaps helios102 
[21:31] <sisif> [slap] [/slap]
[21:31] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa
[21:31] <sisif> BUGabundo, thank you kindly
[21:31] <helios102> *hangs head* i deserved that
[21:32] <helios102> i think ive solved the eclipse problem
[21:32] <technot> noone knows how often gnome polls/rereads the gconf2 config ?
[21:33] <helios102> if u keep searching the package it says wont be installed u get to a lib
[21:33] <Glengrant> helios - I just tried aptitude install eclipse - dont work - dependencies look for one version while another is in repo
[21:33] <helios102> install that
[21:33] <Glengrant> example: eclipse-platform-gcj: Depends: eclipse-platform (= 3.2.2-5ubuntu3) but 3.4.1-1 is to be installed.
[21:33] <helios102> yep now search for eclipse-platform
[21:33] <helios102> etc..
[21:34] <helios102> untill it succesfully installs
[21:34] <helios102> until*
[21:34] <technot> you can specify version you wish to install. apt-get install eclipse-platform-3.2.2 etc
[21:34] <Glengrant> tks - but I'll wait - dont need it much right away - I'm keeping it close to default on purpose
[21:35] <helios102> fair enough
[21:35] <Glengrant> does anybody here use a Mobility Radeon 4670 ATI graphics card?
[21:35] <helios102> my internets going very slow tonight.. 35 mins remaining
[21:35] <genii> erUSUL: Ah, nice, wasn't aware of that method. I've been setting it the other way
[21:36] <Rods_Tiger> will google-gadgets work in 9.10?
[21:37] <genii> Wrong channel...
[21:39] <DBO> anyone else having issues getting fallback icons to show up?
[21:39] <sisif> BUGabundo, when I try to add the key, I get this error "HTTP Error 404: Not Found" ..
[21:39] <BUGabundo> what add key ?
[21:40] <sisif>  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:chromium-daily
[21:40] <Nafai> Ooo, nice
[21:41] <BUGabundo> sisif:            ppa:chromium-daily/ppa
[21:41] <Nafai> I didn't know about add-apt-repository
[21:41] <BUGabundo> just that
[21:41] <technot> does anyone know how often gnome rereads gconf2 config when logged in?
[21:41] <BUGabundo> sisif: forgot /ppa
[21:41] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:41] <BUGabundo> techno are you going to ask that every 15 min?
[21:41] <sisif> That`s not what they say on the website :P
[21:42] <technot> BUGabundo: well, no. but i'm getting no respons :\
[21:42] <BUGabundo> I wonder why
[21:42] <BUGabundo> sisif: that was taken (Copy paste) from the site
[21:42] <technot> `?
[21:42] <BUGabundo> :)
[21:42] <sisif> Uhum :p
[21:43] <technot> if there is something wrong with my question, please tell me instead of getting all high anf mighty on me with "i wonder why".
[21:43] <sisif> BUGabundo, either way, it get`s stuck at download the key
[21:44] <BUGabundo> sisif: yah I've found that some keys just get stuck
[21:44] <BUGabundo> either a bug on LP, or the key server
[21:44] <BUGabundo> I should look into it
[21:44] <sisif> Rather the key server ..
[21:44] <BUGabundo> but I don't have the time :(
[21:44] <sisif> "gpg: keyserver timed out"
[21:44] <BUGabundo> technot: its no the question. is the fact no one here knows.
[21:45] <Trewas> technot: afaik gconf does not reread configs from the disk while it is running, you'll have to change them with gconftool/gconf-editor
[21:45] <BUGabundo> sisif: please send an email to rt@ubutnu.com
[21:45] <BUGabundo> thanks
[21:45] <technot> according to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=266981&page=4 it will :)
[21:45] <technot> just nonoe specified how long :\
[21:45] <sisif> BUGabundo, with ? o_0
[21:45] <technot> thanks anyway :)
[21:45] <technot> guess it'll start up eventually ;p
[21:45] <BUGabundo> sisif: gpg keyserver timeouts
[21:46] <sisif> Ok
[21:46] <technot> unless ofc something changed on the matter ofc :p
[21:46] <technot> gnite
[21:46] <sisif> g`nite
[21:49] <sisif> BUGabundo, email sent
[21:50] <BUGabundo> sisif: thanks!
[21:50] <sisif> BUGabundo, no problem
[21:54] <sisif> OK, 12 AM . Time for me go be heading home. Thanks for all the info guys :)
[21:56] <BUGabundo> bye
[22:16] <helios102> Glengrant: eclipse has installed fine
[22:48] <sisif> Hello again :P
[22:48] <sisif> BUGabundo, it seems that my brightness is working now. Though the controls are kinda erratic, at least it`s an improvement
[22:51] <penguin42> the daily builds of chromium seem to have been a little flaky the last couple of days
[22:52] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:52] <BUGabundo> so have FF
[22:53] <BluesKaj> chromium has become slow and clunky lately ...think I may dump it til the thing's fixed
[22:53] <penguin42> hmm - unless it's something at the library level?
[22:54] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: still FAST here
[22:54] <BUGabundo> remember it now enables plugins
[22:54] <BUGabundo> maybe you should turn that off and see if it makes a diff
[23:01] <penguin42> nah I've been running it with plugins for weeks
[23:03]  * cwillu_at_work downgrades to bash 3.2.  Again.
[23:06] <JanC> cwillu_at_work: why?
[23:07] <cwillu_at_work> JanC, menu-complete is broken in bash 4
[23:07] <cwillu_at_work> won't complete filenames only folder names
[23:07] <cwillu_at_work> and I can't stand normal complete (which works fine)
[23:07] <BUGabundo> aahahaha
[23:07] <BUGabundo> I can't leave without autocomplete
[23:07] <cwillu_at_work> I don't live without autocomplete
[23:08] <cwillu_at_work> but normal complete is braindead :p
[23:08] <BUGabundo> I use it so much
[23:08] <JanC> ah right, there was some issue with completion, but there are workarounds for that?
[23:08] <BUGabundo> I try to use it everywhere
[23:08] <cwillu_at_work> bind 'tab: menu-complete' to see what I mean
[23:08] <BUGabundo> before I see it can't be done
[23:08] <cwillu_at_work> do that, and then type "cd /b<tab>"
[23:08] <cwillu_at_work> hit tab multiple times
[23:09] <cwillu_at_work> and rejoice
[23:09] <cwillu_at_work> and then do "cat /etc/bas<tab>" and cry
[23:09] <cwillu_at_work> downgrading to 3.2 fixes it
[23:09] <cwillu_at_work> "fixes"
[23:10] <cwillu_at_work> bug #418962 :p
[23:10] <Uuu> bash or Ubuntu related bug?
[23:10] <cwillu_at_work> haven't tried a pure bash yet
[23:11] <cwillu_at_work> #bash just bit my head off for asking while daring to use an alpha os :p
[23:11] <JanC> there is a bug in normal bash completion too
[23:11] <penguin42> I guess it could be any one of the completion additions
[23:11] <cwillu_at_work> works fine with bind 'tab: complete' though
[23:11] <JanC> where it breaks with directory names that have spaces in them...
[23:11] <cwillu_at_work> I doubt it's related to that
[23:12] <uni4dfx> Karmic is funny: $ mount X --> "mount: /dev/sdb6 already mounted or /media/X busy"; $ umount X --> "umount: X: not mounted"
[23:12] <JanC> cwillu_at_work: #bash people don't like bug reports?  ;)
[23:12] <cwillu_at_work> oddly enough :p
[23:13] <cwillu_at_work> actually, I lied before;  if I remove all of bash-completions and bash-completions.d, bash 4 works properly
[23:13] <cwillu_at_work> so I guess it could be
[23:13] <uni4dfx> how do i force mount this?
[23:14] <cwillu_at_work> uni4dfx, back up a step
[23:14] <cwillu_at_work> uni4dfx, sudo lsof|grep sdb6
[23:14]  * jarnos can't start openoffice.org
[23:14] <cwillu_at_work> that'll tell you what's using it
[23:15] <uni4dfx> cwillu_at_work: fsck.ext3 1840 root 3u BLK 8,22 0x20580f0000 2163 /dev/sdb6
[23:15] <cwillu_at_work> or the same thing with /media/X instead of sdb6
[23:15] <penguin42> jarnos: Seems OK here - just opened writer
[23:15] <cwillu_at_work> uni4dfx, so, uh, wait for fsck to finish :p
[23:15] <cwillu_at_work> or kill it at your peril
[23:15] <uni4dfx> hmm
[23:15] <jarnos> penguin42, I get error message in terminal: /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libicuuc.so.40: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[23:15] <uni4dfx> strange, it didn't inform me it would be doing anything
[23:16] <penguin42> jarnos: Should be in /usr/lib
[23:16] <penguin42> jarnos: Owned by the libicu40 package
[23:16] <cwillu_at_work> uni4dfx, ext3 gets auto-fsck'd every so many mounts
[23:16] <uni4dfx> i realize
[23:16] <uni4dfx> but why did it boot before it finished :D
[23:16] <cwillu_at_work> why shouldn't it boot?
[23:17] <cwillu_at_work> if it's not needed to boot, why wait?
[23:17] <cwillu_at_work> yes, it could probably use better notification that something is happening, but blocking the desktop just for a non-root device is just silly :p
[23:17] <uni4dfx> uhm, i don't think the end user is going to be very happy when they see one of their partitions is inaccessible
[23:17] <cwillu_at_work> yes, but that's a notification issue, not a "the system let me boot" issue
[23:18] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: I think the difficulty is determining what is safe to do that with - you might part of your home directory on there or some apps
[23:18] <cwillu_at_work> that said, filing a bug is always a good idea
[23:18] <darkham> hi, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/karmic-desktop-i386.manifest , gnome 2.28 is out?
[23:18] <cwillu_at_work> penguin42, it was in /media, which is as safe a bet as you can make
[23:18] <penguin42> that's what 'About' says
[23:18] <uni4dfx> cwillu_at_work: well this is my primary data partition, so i can't really do much without it
[23:18] <cwillu_at_work> uni4dfx, browse reddit while you wait
[23:18] <penguin42> uni4dfx: You can turn the checks off; but ask yourself this punk - are you feeling lucky?
[23:18] <cwillu_at_work> or run usplash from a console if you really feel the need to look at the boot splash while it fsck's :p
[23:19] <uni4dfx> i'll survive
[23:19] <uni4dfx> i'm just worried about most ubuntu users who won't have any idea what's going on
[23:19] <cwillu_at_work> so, file a bug
[23:19] <penguin42> doesn't it have a 'press .... to skip?'
[23:19] <cwillu_at_work> on /media mounts?
[23:19] <uni4dfx> penguin42: it didn't even say it would do this
[23:20] <penguin42> hmm
[23:20] <cwillu_at_work> i.e. mounts that don't block bootup?
[23:20] <cwillu_at_work> File. The. Bug.
[23:20] <uni4dfx> maybe it is my fault though
[23:20] <uni4dfx> where should i have mounted my secondary hard drive instead of /media?
[23:20] <cwillu_at_work> filethebugfilethebugfilethebug (please?)
[23:21] <Ian_> uni4dfx: /mnt/mountpoint
[23:21] <Ian_> or /media/mountpoint
[23:21] <penguin42> is everyone finding things like USB drives automount themselves at boot - and are there any settings associated with it?
[23:21] <uni4dfx> Ian_: it is on /media/X at the moment, and apparently it was a bad idea
[23:21] <uni4dfx> cwillu_at_work: i'll file it, don't panic
[23:22] <cwillu_at_work> uni4dfx, it wasn't a bad idea, but there's a bug that you need to file, regarding the lack of notification on mount issues :)
[23:22] <DanaG> Tue Sep 22 08:22:37 PDT 2009
[23:22] <uni4dfx> oh and another thing
[23:22] <DanaG> hwclock fail.
[23:22] <uni4dfx> in Jaunty, there was a notification
[23:22] <uni4dfx> in usplash
[23:23] <uni4dfx> for that exact same partition
[23:23] <uni4dfx> maybe the switch to xsplash broke this?
[23:23] <cwillu_at_work> no, the switch to upstart fixed it
[23:23] <cwillu_at_work> but there still needs to be a desktop notification
[23:23] <uni4dfx> oh i see
[23:24] <cwillu_at_work> but blocking the boot on /media mounts was a bug, or at least, an undesirable feature
[23:24] <uni4dfx> well
[23:24] <cwillu_at_work> it only prevents you from doing things, it doesn't enable anything
[23:24] <uni4dfx> the boot should be fine
[23:24] <uni4dfx> it should prevent logging into gdm
[23:24] <cwillu_at_work> ugh
[23:24] <cwillu_at_work> no, no it shouldn't
[23:24] <uni4dfx> well not prevent
[23:24] <uni4dfx> but there should be an "are you sure" dialog
[23:24] <cwillu_at_work> no
[23:25] <cwillu_at_work> it should have an indicator saying "this is happening"
[23:25] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: Many apps might screw up if you start up without some stuff mounted
[23:25] <uni4dfx> "this is happening, you will be screwed because you will have to reboot your system later or handle the situation using our beloved terminal"
[23:25] <cwillu_at_work> penguin42, apps that break when something in /media is unmounted are broken
[23:25] <cwillu_at_work> uni4dfx, "Disk checking proceeding on /media/X: 57%"
[23:26] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: Hmmm, I'm not sure - what about things like if your desktop background was set from a photo on there? Or the media directory from your music player was on there?
[23:26] <cwillu_at_work> you don't need to reboot, or use the terminal, you just need to know that something is happening
[23:26] <uni4dfx> so with osd-notify?
[23:26] <uni4dfx> that could work
[23:26] <cwillu_at_work> penguin42, the desktop background is copied into .config, and the music player already needs to handle things going away in media, that's the point of media
[23:26] <jarnos> penguin42, after I reinstalled libicu40, I can open Oo.o :)
[23:27] <penguin42> jarnos: Is it a missing dependency?
[23:27] <cwillu_at_work> osd-notify or an indicator icon (probably an icon, because it's long'ish lived)
[23:27] <uni4dfx> cwillu_at_work: the problem was, i logged in, and immediately dropbox wanted to change the location because it couldn't access that /media partition
[23:27] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: I know Rhythmbox takes it particularly badly
[23:27] <cwillu_at_work> bugs that should be filed
[23:28] <penguin42> it already is
[23:28] <jarnos> penguin42, It was installed before
[23:28] <penguin42> jarnos: But how did it let you remove it?
[23:28] <jarnos> penguin42, I newer did remove it. I used apt-get install --reinstall
[23:29] <penguin42> jarnos: Hmm that shouldn't be necessary
[23:30] <uni4dfx> it's not a bug... apps can't simply ignore missing partitions
[23:31] <penguin42> uni4dfx: Well... it's a matter of what they do about it - Rhythmbox is very unfriendly and basically takes ages to remove your media database and readd it if you restart it after the media comes back - it could pop up a little dialog saying it's missing and not screw things up
[23:32] <jarnos> penguin42, here's the output of the reinstall: http://pastebin.ca/1575829
[23:32] <uni4dfx> penguin42: agree there, but it would be even better if this didn't have to happen at all
[23:32] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: What are the semantics an app should follow? e.g. should it just display a dialog and carry on? Should it detect when the directory is mounted and realise?
[23:33] <jarnos> penguin42, there was something wrong with openoffice.org-filter-binfilter I guess
[23:33] <penguin42> jarnos: It looks like the previous install of that package broke
[23:34] <cwillu_at_work> penguin42, I'd say minimization of destructive behaviour.  Banshee handles it reasonably well, marking a file as unavailable, but not removing it from the database without an explicit action
[23:34] <jarnos> penguin42, yes, I got some errors about openoffice.org-filter-binfilter in conjunction with latest upgrades.
[23:34] <jarnos> I hope not anymore
[23:34] <mezquitale> Karmic is unable to detect my keyboard, I cant I cant close applications using "alt-space bar" conbination, I cant press "alt-E" to open up Edit menu in applications, any idea how to fix that?
[23:34] <cwillu_at_work> penguin42, apps that _deal_ with files likely to be stored on removable media should be aware of the conventions, but I'd settle for simple non-destructive behaviour as a minimum
[23:35] <penguin42> mezquitale: Does alt-space do anything?
[23:35] <cwillu_at_work> anything hal aware (such as media players) have no excuse
[23:36] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: yeh - I'm just a bit more worried where you move things like ~/Photos onto an external drive and symlink it - what should be the behaviour? Is that 'allowed'?
[23:36] <cwillu_at_work> anything gnome should be using gvfs, which allows for handling these sorts of things in an intelligent way (or at least more than seeing an empty folder and assuming its supposed to use it as is)
[23:36] <mezquitale>   penguin42 alt-spacebar does nothing as well as "alt-[KEY]", if I want to close xchat I cant press "alt-x", "alt-x" doesnt open up the menu
[23:36] <DanaG> hwclock fail: it thinks it's ~8:30 AM here..... when it's really ~3:30 PM!
[23:36] <cwillu_at_work> symlinks have to be resolved anyway.  in that instance, they'd just be a broken symlink, which should again be handled in a non-destructive way
[23:37] <penguin42> mezquitale: Does your alt key do anything?
[23:37] <cwillu_at_work> DanaG, dual boot by any chance?
[23:37] <DanaG> nope, I was just trying to UEFI-boot... and it failed to load initramfs.
[23:37] <DanaG> and then I got "hwclock exited with status 1".
[23:38] <cwillu_at_work> DanaG, sounds like the usual "hwclock stores the time in utc, other operating systems occasionally store the local time"
[23:38] <mezquitale>   penguin42 I can use "alt-tab" to change between applications but in the applications themselves alt key is not recognized
[23:38] <cwillu_at_work> windows is bad for that, no idea what macos does
[23:38] <DanaG> I have it set to store in local, though!
[23:38] <penguin42> mezquitale: That's a bit odd then - that suggests the alt key works
[23:38] <DanaG> cat /etc/adjtime  ...   LOCAL
[23:38] <cwillu_at_work> DanaG, then the default probably got restored in a config file; it's braindead to store local time there though
[23:39] <mezquitale> penguin42, yes, the alt key does work, i have seen this before when I installed ubuntustudio in my desktop,  I selected to detect my keyboard and it never did it correctly, choosing the default options usually works, not in karmic
[23:40] <cwillu_at_work> DanaG, what does /etc/default/rcS | grep UTC say?
[23:40] <penguin42> mezquitale: Go to system->preferences->keyboard and select the layout tab - has it got the 'model' right?
[23:40] <cwillu_at_work> rather: grep UTC /etc/default/rcS
[23:40] <DanaG> UTC=no
[23:41] <mezquitale> penguin42, I selected to use "dell"  and "dell latitude series laptop" the Layout is "USA", it still doesn't work
[23:41] <cwillu_at_work> (assuming your localtime is now correct via ntp) does "hwclock -w; hwclock -r " result it the right time in hwclock?
[23:42] <cwillu_at_work> (that'll have to be sudo'd)
[23:42] <penguin42> mezquitale: I'm not sure then; 2 suggestions, 1) highlight the layout and select layout options and check each one of the options,  2) I wonder if you've accidentally set a shortcut up that is just 'alt' and that's overriding everything else
[23:43] <mezquitale> I didnt set up a shortcut I already went to "Layout" and in "Keyboard Model"  I selected the model for my laptop, still no dice
[23:44] <mezquitale> ahhh... I think I see a winner "Alt/win" behaviour
[23:46] <penguin42> mezquitale: Also, there is an option somewhere that lets you make all menu options have editable key bindings - it's dangerous, it's very easy to accdientally change an entry - I managed to bind 'S' in gnome-terminal to something which made life hard until I noticed
[23:47] <DanaG> Actually, that layout is wrong... it should be "evdev managed keyboard"!
[23:47] <kl_> penguin42: you was the one that could not type s in the terminal?
[23:47] <mezquitale> DanaG, are you talking to me?
[23:47] <penguin42> kl_: I was a week or two ago, I'm not sure if I was the same one, and I can't even remember if it was s, I think it was
[23:48] <DanaG> yeah.
[23:48] <mezquitale> DanaG, how can I configure the keyboard? should I send a bug report?
[23:48] <webbb82> in order to get gnome-do to work rite i need to edit the xorg.conf file but karmic doesnt have one so i made one and it messed up my computer what should i do about this
[23:48] <DanaG> hmm, what's not working with it set to evdev?
[23:48] <kl_> penguin42: Good you found the problem
[23:49] <mezquitale> DanaG, can you translate that into jaunty? what is "evdev"?? how do you set "it" to evdev?
[23:50] <DanaG> evdev is the driver that Xorg uses for the keyboard.
[23:50] <pandabear> i was trying to install ubuntu 9.10 alpha6 and the installer crashes right after it says "detecting hardware", wihch i assume is when its about to install grub
[23:50] <DanaG> The desktop environment needs to know that, to be able to interpret keycodes correctly.
[23:51] <webbb82> gnome-do docky is very very laggy and i was told to add a command to xorg.conf to fix this
[23:52] <mezquitale> DanaG, how do I configure xorg.conf in karmic?  I cant find it in /etc/X11
[23:52] <webbb82> thats the same question i have
[23:52] <webbb82> lol
[23:52] <kl_> mezquitale: just make a new one
[23:53] <penguin42> it'll read your xorg.conf if you have one
[23:53] <pandabear> anyone able to help with my install problem?
[23:53] <DanaG> Is usplash supposed to be just plain gone?
[23:53] <webbb82> i made a new one then it wouldmnnt let me log into gnome
[23:54] <mezquitale> kl_, do you know what I should type in the xorg.conf that Ill create
[23:55] <mezquitale> webbb82, rofl Im about to create a xorg.conf, now I'm worried.  Have you tried going into a console and renaving the xorg.conf file and rebooting?
[23:55] <kl_> mezquitale: Not sure if this command works sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[23:56] <pandabear> i was trying to install ubuntu 9.10 alpha6 and the installer crashes right after it says "detecting hardware", wihch i assume is when its about to install grub
[23:57] <mezquitale> kl_, i dont want to try that in karmic since I have no idea what it's going to do to my resolution, I'll rather try something else and if I end up doing that I'll probably want to be able to boot up into jaunty first
[23:57] <kl_> pandabear: Try a daily cd. Since alpha 6 is a bit unstable.
[23:57] <pandabear> kl_: it was the same in alpha5, but you're saying a daily CD could fix it?
[23:58] <penguin42> pandabear: If it doesn't I'd be sure to raise a bug on it giving as much info about your machine as possible - did any other linux work on it? What hardware is it?
[23:58] <kl_> pandabear: Depends on what you want to test really. You can install jaunty and then upgrade to karmic to see if it breaks
[23:59] <pandabear> penguin42: it has worked since ubuntu 8.04
[23:59] <pandabear> kl_: can i install grub manually?
[23:59] <kl_> pandabear: yes you can do that with your live cd
[23:59] <penguin42> pandabear: OK, so that's a regression - best file a bug (after testing daily cd as suggested) - it might not be grub; and give lots of info about your machine