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chrisccoulsonseb128 - i think bug 408481, bug 433302 and bug 432692 are all the same crash00:01
chrisccoulsoni would dupe them all, but it's a pain ;)00:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 408481 in gnome-session "gnome-session crashed with SIGSEGV in g_main_context_dispatch()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40848100:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 433302 in gnome-session "gnome-session crashed with SIGSEGV in g_main_context_dispatch()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43330200:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 432692 in gnome-session "gnome-session crashed with SIGSEGV in g_timeout_dispatch()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43269200:01
chrisccoulsonthey all have their own duplicates too00:01
seb128ok00:01
seb128I will list all those in the changelo00:01
chrisccoulsonthanks00:02
seb128bug #432541 too?00:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 432541 in gnome-session "gnome-session crashed with SIGSEGV in g_main_context_dispatch()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43254100:02
chrisccoulsonseb128 - that one looks a little different. i'll have a look, just in case it is the same underlying issue00:03
seb128ok00:03
chrisccoulsonseb128 - that's crashing here:00:05
chrisccoulsong_warning ("Unable to stop system: %s", error->message);00:05
chrisccoulsonwould that crash if error is a NULL pointer, or is there any checking in g_warning?00:05
seb128would crash if error == NULL I think00:06
chrisccoulsonit seems that dbus_g_proxy_call_with_timeout() fails but there is nothing in error00:06
chrisccoulsonwierd00:06
chrisccoulsonso that one looks like a different issue00:06
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i spotted the error00:08
seb128you are quick ;-)00:08
chrisccoulsonerror is defined as "GError *error"00:09
chrisccoulsonbut it passes "error" to dbus_g_proxy_call_with_timeout00:09
seb128oh, no = NULL?00:09
chrisccoulsonthis should be "&error"00:09
seb128usually those are set to NULL00:09
seb128and yes it should be &error00:09
chrisccoulsonthat's why it crashes when that call fails ;)00:09
chrisccoulsoni'm not sure if you want to fix that in the same upload?00:10
seb128why not00:10
chrisccoulsoncool, thanks:)00:10
chrisccoulsonseb128- that mistake seems to be quite common in gsm-consolekit.c00:11
seb128it's weird that gcc says nothing about those00:12
chrisccoulsonyeah, that is a bit strange00:13
chrisccoulsongsm_consolekit_attempt_restart and gsm_consolekit_attempt_stop have the same issue00:13
chrisccoulsoni thought some other functions did too, but i think some others are correct00:13
chrisccoulsonseb128 - you've noticed before that some applications don't refresh the theme correctly when g-s-d loads?00:16
seb128yes00:16
seb128did you figure why?00:16
chrisccoulsonnot yet. i wonder if it's a gtk issue?00:16
seb128I was thinking maybe a gdk one due to the client side decoration changes00:16
seb128but I'm not sure00:17
chrisccoulsonyeah, i was wondering that too00:17
seb128I will play with that once 2.28 is uploaded00:17
seb128hey robert_ancell00:17
robert_ancellhey seb12800:18
robert_ancelllots of updates today :)00:18
seb128robert_ancell, we have an updated versions.html working again cf topic00:18
robert_ancell\o/00:18
seb128it's running on pitti's server00:18
seb128yes00:18
seb128busy day00:18
seb128and quite some left for you00:18
seb128I'm doing gnome-session and libgweather now and will call it a day00:18
robert_ancellno prob, they'll all be ready when you wake up :)00:18
seb128good ;-)00:19
chrisccoulsonhmmm, strange. i was expecting a sound effect when i pressed my volume buttons00:19
chrisccoulson(according to the gsd changelog)00:19
seb128could depend on some libcanberra change or sound in the sound theme we don't have00:20
chrisccoulsonseb128 - possibly. i added a build-dep on libcanberra-gtk-dev00:20
chrisccoulsonah, right00:21
chrisccoulsonour synchronous notifications patch messes it up00:22
chrisccoulsonbecause the update_dialog function returns before the sound is played00:22
chrisccoulsonoops00:22
chrisccoulsonthat will be why00:22
chrisccoulsonhas anyone noticed that update-notifier draws a black vertical bar in the notification area briefly as it loads shortly after the session starts?00:30
LaneyI see three black vertical bars right now00:35
Laneydidn't notice them before00:35
Laneywait, *four*!00:35
james_wchrisccoulson: it may be something to do with icon caches?00:36
chrisccoulsonjames_w - not sure really. i just noticed it each time i log in00:36
james_wgtk (or perhaps the notification area protocol) don't allow you to create a notification icon that is hidden though00:36
james_wso you have to create one that is visible and then hide it00:36
james_wwhich leads to a fugly flash00:36
chrisccoulsonah, ok. that might be why it happens then00:36
james_wit's usually the icon though, which is why I suggested a cache issue (or just broken icon link?) causing the black bar00:37
Laneyhttp://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/bars.png00:37
Laneynot that then?00:37
chrisccoulsonjames_w - you're probably right, i've not had too much time to investigate it00:39
james_wLaney: that's pretty odd00:39
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i can't get the volume button sounds to work. i think we're missing the correct sounds for the event00:39
james_wchrisccoulson: is that what you see?00:39
james_wor more like blocks?00:39
chrisccoulsonyeah, i see the vertical bars like that, but i normally only see 100:40
Laneybut yours go away?00:40
chrisccoulsonLaney - yeah, it only flashes briefly00:40
Laneyhm00:40
chrisccoulsonit just looksa bit ugly as everything loads00:40
Laneymaybe this is where I've interacted with something in the area such as apport00:41
* Laney -> bed00:43
Laneynight folks00:43
chrisccoulsonnight Laney!00:43
seb128re00:49
seb128sorry another round of testing00:49
seb128chrisccoulson, still there?00:49
chrisccoulsoni am00:49
seb128chrisccoulson, do you still work on the gnome-session change?00:49
chrisccoulsondo you mean gnome-settings-daemon?00:50
seb128no the error against &error00:50
seb128did you want to do a patch or should I do one?00:50
chrisccoulsoni don't mind. i can do it, but i probably wouldn't be able to do it tonight now00:50
chrisccoulsonit's getting a bit late now;)00:51
seb128ok, let's upload the update as I have it and we can do 0ubuntu2 tomorrow00:51
chrisccoulsonthanks00:51
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i've pushed the g-s-d update now00:54
seb128chrisccoulson, ok, thanks00:55
seb128I'm looking at that and going to bed00:55
chrisccoulsoni think the volume button sound issue is just a lack of sounds in our default theme00:55
seb128ok, makes sense00:55
chrisccoulsonalthough i tried symlinking a sound, and couldn't get it to work either. but i don't know how that stuff works yet, so i guess i'll have to look at that another day00:56
Amaranthman, jaunty->karmic upgrade takes forever :/00:56
AmaranthFetching file 223 of 118800:56
chrisccoulsonyeah, it takes a long time00:57
chrisccoulsoni opted for a fresh install of karmic, but ended up doing the install 3 times00:58
chrisccoulsonso, it probably took longer in the end ;)00:58
AmaranthI think it may have stalled00:58
Amaranthchrisccoulson: I'm testing something for 43098100:58
Amaranthyay, right when I pasted that someone PMed me who still has the bug01:02
Amaranthbug 430981, that is01:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 430981 in compiz "keybindings not remembered on reboot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43098101:02
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i reverted an upstream change in g-s-t which introduces a new visible string (by just modifying the ui file to hide the label). The new string will still get imported in to rosetta though won't it?01:07
seb128chrisccoulson, yes01:07
seb128what string was that?01:08
chrisccoulsonseb128 - thanks. it is a new string in users-admin which just adds a note to explain why you can't modify a users UID01:08
seb128ok01:08
chrisccoulsonbut it's not fully translated upstream, and the string is gramatically incorrect anyway01:09
chrisccoulsonso i just hid it for now01:09
seb128ok, makes sense01:09
seb128ok, time to go to bed I will do an another sponsoring round tomorrow morning01:18
seb128if people who will wake earlier than be have not cleaned everything ;-)01:18
rickspencer3robert_ancell: good morning01:20
rickspencer3I see you updated gcalc01:20
robert_ancellrickspencer3, hi01:20
robert_ancellof course :)01:20
rickspencer3thank goodness, that was the final missing piece for Karmic01:20
rickspencer3ship!01:20
rickspencer3:)01:20
robert_ancellyes, I am making all the other packages depend on it01:20
rickspencer3lmao01:21
rickspencer3in all seriousness, I hope all is well robert_ancell ?01:21
robert_ancellyup, all going good01:21
rickspencer3great01:21
robert_ancellwhich conference are you at?01:21
rickspencer3btw, probably no Team Meeting, Eastern edition tomorrow01:21
rickspencer3TheMuso: ^01:22
robert_ancellok, np01:22
rickspencer3it's called LinuxCOn01:22
rickspencer3hosted by Linux Foundation01:22
rickspencer3but also the kernel team is sprinting, and lots of important Canonical people are here :)01:22
AmaranthI think we're going to get below 400 bugs in compiz for karmic :)01:22
robert_ancellAmaranth, yay!01:22
rickspencer3Amaranth: nice!01:23
AmaranthOf course most of that is probably going to be just cleaning up what is already there :)01:23
AmaranthDupes, wrong package, etc :)01:23
robert_ancellAmaranth, are you still working on the move/resize clipping patch?01:23
AmaranthAlready dropped it about 30-40 bugs though today01:23
Amaranthrobert_ancell: actually no, cornelius ended up doing it01:23
Amaranthexcept for the override with the keys or buttons01:24
TheMusorickspencer3: Thought as much, thanks for the heads up anyways.01:24
robert_ancellAmaranth, cool, but it is fixed now.  Do you know when the 0.8.4 release will occur?01:24
AmaranthWhy would a gconf key refuse to let you change it if /etc/gconf doesn't have anything for it and its current setting is not what the schema has?01:25
Amaranthrobert_ancell: no idea01:25
robert_ancellAmaranth, is there an entry in ~/.gconf?01:25
Amaranthwell yeah01:25
Amaranthmaybe just manually edit it?01:26
Amaranthsomeone with bug 430981 contacted me and the only weird thing I can see in their settings is the gconf plugin in active_plugins01:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 430981 in compiz "keybindings not remembered on reboot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43098101:26
Amaranthwhich should _never_ happen and could very well be breaking things01:26
Amaranthwait, I know01:26
Amaranthit's compiz blocking it, he is running fusion-icon01:27
Amaranthif you specific a plugin on the command line it will absolutely refuse to unload it01:27
robert_ancellodd01:28
Amaranthit's a new feature specifically designed to make sure you don't turn off move or decoration or etc :)01:29
Amaranthbut if you specify gconf on the command line it'll be stuck01:29
Amaranthit has to keep gconf loaded because you told it on the command line but you also told it ccp01:30
Amaranththey fight, you lose01:30
Amaranththese people are all upgraders so their gnome-session setup might not be what we would expect so fusion-icon is responsible for loading compiz01:31
Amaranthuntil they use appearance properties to switch compiz off/on01:31
Amaranththis is the only thing I can think of01:31
AmaranthGot it!01:38
Amaranthnot fusion-icon, gnome-wm01:38
Amaranth/desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager is still set to gnome-wm01:38
robert_ancellaha01:42
Amaranthhttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/gnome-session/+bug/430981/comments/1401:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 430981 in gnome-session "keybindings not remembered on reboot" [High,Confirmed]01:50
Amaranthall laid out there01:50
AmaranthI think it's about time for bed01:50
robert_ancellAmaranth, thanks for that02:07
Amaranthrobert_ancell: No problem, now you can fix it and upload my failsafe session stuff at the same time ;)02:20
robert_ancellAmaranth, where is that patch?02:21
Amaranthrobert_ancell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~amaranth/02:21
Amaranthdon't do the panel one, seb128 would be mad :)02:21
picklesworthHey... anyone know what license the new Software Store icon is under?02:22
Amaranthbut he told me to do the failsafe one when I was complaining about it being missing so... :)02:22
robert_ancellok, will look into it02:22
AmaranthConsidering the fun I've seen people compiz locking up on various chips at start the failsafe session is really needed02:23
Amaranths/seen people/seen with people's/02:23
AmaranthI think 28 hours awake is a bit too much to think coherent sentences ;)02:24
robert_ancellAmaranth, sleep!! :)02:25
robert_ancellpicklesworth, they don't seem to have a specific copyright so I'm guessing they're GPL?02:25
picklesworthIndeed, it looks like it...02:26
* Amaranth just wonders where Software Store is02:27
AmaranthSeriously, where should I be seeing it in my menus?02:29
robert_ancellAmaranth, Applications>Ubuntu Software Store02:30
Amaranthnope02:31
robert_ancellSystem>Software Store if you haven't upgraded02:32
Amaranthnope02:32
robert_ancellapt-get install software-store?02:32
Amaranthinstalled02:32
Amaranthgive me a second, I'm the menu guy :)02:32
AmaranthI probably tweaked something02:33
robert_ancellweird... what does /usr/share/applications/software-store.desktop say?02:33
Amaranthit's ubuntu-software-store.desktop02:33
Amaranthand /etc/xdg/menus does include it in setup the layout properly02:33
* Amaranth tries killall gnome-panel02:33
Amaranthnope, that didn't do it02:34
AmaranthI have no ~/.config/menus/applications.menu and I have no ~/.local/share/applications/ubuntu-software-store.desktop so nothing local is masking the system menu02:35
AmaranthNoDisplay=true02:35
Amaranthwell that explains that02:35
Amaranthoh, look, an update to software-store 0.3.7.1 I missed :)02:35
AmaranthI got the panel change to remove it but not the software-store change to put it somewhere else :P02:36
pittiGood morning07:16
didrockshello pitti07:18
* pitti ports indicator-session to polkit-1; now we can finally drop all the old policykit-gnome stuff \o/08:18
* didrocks hugs pitti08:19
hyperairhmm some update just increased my battery power usage again =(08:20
hyperairi can't pinpoint which, but now it's back to 15W instead of ~14.3W idling08:20
chrisccoulsongood morning everybody!08:56
pittihey chrisccoulson08:57
kklimondagood morning08:57
pittihey kklimonda08:57
chrisccoulsonhey pitti08:57
chrisccoulsonhey kklimonda08:57
kklimondahey hey08:58
didrockshey chrisccoulson09:03
chrisccoulsonhey didrocks!09:05
chrisccoulson:)09:05
seb128hello there09:14
seb128how is everybody this morning?09:14
pittihey seb12809:14
pittiI'm great09:14
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pittiseb128: I just uploaded indicator-session with polkit-1 porting; that means, the old policykit-gnome stuff falls off the CD now \o/09:15
* seb128 takes gtkmm pangomm gnome-games gnome-control-center09:15
seb128for sponsoring09:15
seb128pitti, nice ;-)09:15
seb128pitti, help on sponsoring is welcome btw if you want to look at some of the GNOME 2.28 updates there too09:15
pittiseb128: right, on it09:16
seb128ok, done with restart for now I think09:24
pittiseb128: I'm taking some sponsorings, I assigned the bugs to me09:24
seb128pitti, ok, I took the one I said before and added comment to those09:25
chrisccoulsonhey seb12809:25
seb128hello chrisccoulson09:25
chrisccoulsonthat other gnome-session crasher is already fixed in the new tarball09:25
seb128chrisccoulson, how did you manage to go up this morning? ;-)09:26
seb128chrisccoulson, the gerror one?09:26
chrisccoulsonyeah, the gerror one is fixed09:26
chrisccoulsoni'm not sure how i managed to get up this morning - i get to work later and later every day!09:26
chrisccoulsoni got in at 850 this morning09:26
seb128ok cool09:27
pittididrocks: bug 419808 - dholbach asked about 0.2209:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 419808 in vte "Update to 0.21.5" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41980809:27
pittididrocks: is 0.22 the one with the ABI break? we want to avoid it?09:28
pittiseb128: did you discuss the vte abi break yesterday?09:28
mvohey glatzor_ - if you are around, I would like to ask you some questions re aptdaemon, I got some stuff ready for merging but want your opinion first09:29
seb128pitti, not really since I don't know about the issue and didrocks wanted to check things09:29
seb128mvo, hey09:29
mvohey seb12809:30
didrockspitti: 0.22 has been released yesterday and I read on a GNOME ML there was an ABI breakage. But I didn't try to update it yet. I'll give some time on that tonight (but if daniel can still sponsor 0.21.5 in the meanwhile, it will enable updating gnome-terminal which needs it)09:34
pittididrocks: right, understood09:34
pittididrocks: there's also 0.21.7 and so on09:34
pittibut I'll upload .5 for now09:35
seb128the abi breakage is after 0.21.5?09:35
seb128they changed the soname?09:35
seb128is there any reason we don't want to do the update?09:35
didrocksseb128: I didn't check, just read it on a ML09:35
didrocksseb128: it's just an intermediate status until I can check it directly with nm :)09:36
pitti$ apt-cache rdepends libvte9|wc -l09:36
pitti3609:36
pittidoable, but needs some work09:36
didrockshum, let me spawn a VM and try to build it09:36
pittiseb128: taking gnome-python-desktop09:57
pittiand gir-repository and clutter-1.010:03
* seb128 hugs pitti10:03
pittithe sync bugs are done, too; /me taps foot for the sponsor page to update10:04
chrisccoulsonpitti - with your ubuntu-release hat on, would you mind giving a preliminary ACK to the glom FFE (bug 391664). I've got PPA packages available for it now, but i can't upload until i've got the rest of it's dependencies sorted out10:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 391664 in glom "[FFe] Update glom to 1.11.2" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39166410:26
Laneychrisccoulson: good work!10:28
chrisccoulsonheh, thanks Laney! it's still stalled on pygda though, which I'm currently working on10:29
LaneyI would still like to get glom into debian10:30
Laneyif only jsogo would unblock us on goocanvas10:30
chrisccoulsonLaney - has anyone offered to do the work in debian then?10:31
Laneythat's the reason I put goocanvasmm in there10:32
Laneybut by the time it was accepted the world had moved on10:32
didrockspitti is on sponsoring fire today :)10:38
pittiMUHAHA10:38
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didrockspitti, seb128: ok. there is no more ABI breakage. I was frightened by this: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/sources/vte/0.21/vte-0.21.6.news which has been fixed then: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/sources/vte/0.21/vte-0.21.7.news10:51
didrockspitti: bug #434563 for new version so :)10:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 434563 in vte "Update to 0.22.0" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43456310:51
pittididrocks: yay10:52
pittididrocks: will sponsor, thanks10:52
didrocksthanks :-)10:52
huatshello everyone !11:18
davmor2mvo: is software store disabled from livecd?  When I click on any section it goes to the section but nothing is displayed12:10
mvodavmor2: I think thats a bug, probably something with the livefs creation12:23
davmor2mvo: okay I'll carry on with the install and see if it goes away :)12:24
mvook12:24
seb128pitti, is Cc-ing you one bugs enough when I want your opinion or do you prefer to be assigned?12:25
davmor2seb128: I've noticed something weird with totem.  With the youtube plugin it grabs the h.264 codec but when it plays there is no audio.  I went into PA sound prefs to see if totem was muted or turned down and it isn't displayed in PA applications tab at all.  However if I use the bbc plugin and select one of the podcasts totem then appears in PA applications tab and also I get audio as expected.  What the hell is 12:32
pittire12:32
pittiseb128: subscribing me is enough12:32
seb128dunno about totem12:33
seb128pitti, ok thanks12:34
chrisccoulsonthere's not many updates for me to do when i get home later!12:56
seb128chrisccoulson, right, making you work on upgrades is a waste of talent anyway ;-)12:57
chrisccoulsonheh, thanks ;)12:57
seb128pitti, could you just check https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/395591?13:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 395591 in gdm "Installing GDM 2.26 doesn't update /etc/X11/default-display-manager" [Low,Triaged]13:12
seb128pitti, the gdm.config and gdm.template have been dropped by error right?13:12
seb128just making sure, that seems to make sense to add those again but a second opinion is welcome13:12
seb128see comment #613:13
seb128chrisccoulson, everybody else who want to fix bugs for karmic: https://edge.launchpad.net/~desktop-bugs/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=12698&field.milestone%3Alist=1271513:13
seb128I started milestoning bugs13:13
seb128those are assigned to desktop-bugs and milestoned 9.10-beta or 9.1013:13
pittiseb128: oops, indeed13:13
seb128just for information13:13
seb128pitti, ok, I'm fixing that now13:13
seb128I've some other gdm things I want to look at too13:13
chrisccoulsonthanks seb128, i'll take a look at some of those13:14
* seb128 kicks launchpad13:14
seb128is there a way to not list "ubuntu" and "ubuntu (karmic)" tasks13:14
seb128ie the same bug twice just because they have a karmic task13:14
chrisccoulsoni'll take bug 420063 then13:14
pittiI don't know any13:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 420063 in gdm "login screen has not suspend and hibernate buttons" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42006313:14
seb128chrisccoulson, feel free to assign the bug to yourself if you will work on it13:14
seb128thanks ;-)13:15
chrisccoulsonyeah, i'll start working on that tonight13:15
pittigosh, half of it is gdm13:15
seb128pitti, yes ...13:15
chrisccoulsonit shouldn't be too difficult to do13:15
seb128but to be fair that's because I didn't review all packages yet to milestone things13:15
pittiseb128: thanks for putting that list together13:16
seb128np ;-)13:16
chrisccoulsonthe gnome-keyring-daemon issue is a tricky one. i tried to attach GDB to the daemon and then log out, but GDB hung for some reason13:16
seb128chrisccoulson, wait for upstream maybe for this one13:17
seb128the gnome-keyring upstream are usually responsive13:17
seb128not always very quick but they look regularly to issues13:17
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, i'll do that. but it would be nice to try and fix it too:)13:18
seb128chrisccoulson, can't fix everything13:18
chrisccoulsonit would be nice to be able too ;)13:18
seb128it's good to know where things will not get worked and where we should look and where we can rely on others to look at the bug13:18
seb128righto ;-)13:19
chrisccoulsoni can probably fix bug 413116 too, but i'll leave that until i've fixed the GDM one13:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 413116 in gnome-media "sliding volume control up doesn't unmute volume" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41311613:19
seb128let's close some gdm bugs now13:19
seb128I need to look at the new pulseaudio behaviour13:19
seb128the settings which makes different controls to move together or something13:20
seb128and how changing volume in applications impact on the sliders13:20
seb128seems the karmic behaviour is confusing for quite some users13:20
seb128my audio use is basic though, I run rhythmbox and change volume for the music13:20
seb128ie I don't play with difference between pcm, master, other applications, etc13:20
chrisccoulsonseb128 - from looking at the volume control in g-s-d (which is the same code as gnome-media), pulseaudio actually lets you mute and set the volume of a channel independently. it is the responsibility of gnome-media to explicitly unmute the channel when you set the volume above zero13:21
chrisccoulsonie, pulseaudio lets you set a volume >0 when the channel is still muted13:21
chrisccoulsonwhich is a bit confusing13:21
chrisccoulsonie, 0 != mute13:21
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chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, my audio use is quite basic too13:23
mptmvo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore?action=diff&rev2=200&rev1=19913:57
mpthi andreasn13:58
andreasnhi mpt13:58
andreasndid you talk with kwwii and dobey about the -symbolic addition already?14:02
mvompt: thanks, code for this is commited14:06
tedgpitti: Thanks for the polkit patch!14:09
pittitedg: my pleasure14:09
pittitedg: I turned it into a proper merge request now14:11
tedgpitti: Yes, I saw, I'm merging it in.14:12
pittihah, I have my 3vil footprint in your code now :)14:12
tedgHeh, I'm trying to attach all the bug numbers to make the commit. :)14:13
mptmvo, would you rather bug 433828 be specced for 1.0, or left for 2.0?14:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 433828 in software-store "Focus the search field when program starts" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43382814:13
tedgThat is one thing I really like about DVCS, much better credit to patch contributors.  I always felt I was letting them down a little when committing their patches before.14:14
tedgNow they get credit in sites like Ohloh as they have revisions attached to their name.14:15
pittitedg: I added a --fixes lp: to my commit; are they getting merged? (I never checked that)14:15
tedgpitti: The --fixes lists that branch on the bug, it doesn't change the status or put the --fixes on the new branch.14:16
tedgSo usually I try to re-put it on the merge to make it easier for people looking at the bug to see it got merged.14:16
pittiso the bug references aren't maintained when merging branches? too bad14:16
tedgThey are from the perspective of LP never deletes anything and you can look at a branch, see it has a merge request, and see that the merge request was merged in.... but yeah, it's not ideal.14:17
seb128tedg, hey14:18
tedgMorning seb12814:18
seb128tedg, we always have credited contributors in changelog entries, commit messages, etc14:19
tedgseb128: Oh, yes.  But things like Ohloh don't pick that up.  It's hard to parse for a computer.14:19
seb128dunno what that website is ;-)14:19
tedgHeh, Fedora packaging is tracked there.  They have graphs, Ubuntu doesn't, so I imagine the Fedora packagers do more work :)14:20
seb128well we can't do a lot against random website having a partial view and collecting datas they want14:21
mvompt: hm, what exactly needs to be done? implementing  the arrow keys? or "on type earch, on arrow select category" ?14:22
seb128hum14:22
seb128anybody knowing what I need to do for launchpad to list my commits as coming from my user there?14:23
seb128they are from seb128 <seb128-desktop> right now14:23
seb128and I can't click on those14:23
mptmvo, for that bug, just (1) focusing the search field when the Store is launched and (2) making the Down key at the end of the search text focus the rest of the main pane always, not just when search results are being shown.14:23
seb128while other people seem to have their name correctly set ;-)14:23
tedgseb128: "bzr whoami"14:24
mvompt: I think that can be arranged, let me check. I check out the arrow keys in JS as well, just to learn about it14:24
pittiseb128: what tedg said, for a default value14:24
seb128tedg, hum ok, thanks14:24
mptmvo, navigating the department buttons with the arrow keys is something someone like aquarius needs to fix.14:24
pittiseb128: but I also have some magic to have context-sensitive email addresses14:24
seb128launchpad could be smart, I'm using my ssh key to commit there14:24
pittiseb128: in .bazaar/locations.conf:14:24
pitti[/home/martin/ubuntu]14:24
pittiemail = Martin Pitt <martin.pitt@canonical.com>14:24
pitti[/home/martin/debian]14:24
pittiemail = Martin Pitt <mpitt@debian.org>14:24
seb128ie it should know the user14:24
pittiand14:24
pitti$ bzr whoami14:24
pittimartin@piware.de14:24
mptmvo, oh, well if you are able to fix it that's great, I just thought it might be more efficient to have a JS expert do it :-)14:24
seb128pitti, ah, thanks14:25
pittiseb128: bzr != launchpad, it needs to figure it out locally14:25
pittiseb128: so for my personal stuff I use @piware, for debian stuff @debian.org, etc.14:25
seb128pitti, will I just noticed on the launchpad view14:25
tedgseb128: You could register "seb128@seb128-desktop" as an e-mail address in LP and it'd pick them up :)14:25
mvompt: right, if I don't manage anything in a couple of minutes, I will just wait for him14:26
seb128tedg, I might do that, thanks ;-)14:26
seb128I will fix my settings too14:26
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didrocksseb128: Quickly would have setup bzr whoami for you ;-)14:30
seb128didrocks, lol14:30
striderHi15:29
stridercan someone from the Desktop Team review this bugfix ? : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wacom-tools/+bug/41026715:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 410267 in libgtk "Pressure sensitive tablet: stylus paints off-cursor in Gimp and Inkscape" [Unknown,Confirmed]15:30
seb128hey rickspencer315:30
rickspencer3hi seb12815:30
seb128hi strider15:30
rickspencer3seb128: what's the word on the street? How's Karmic looking?15:30
seb128rickspencer3, desktop wise pretty good, most of GNOME 2.28 is in karmic now15:31
rickspencer3okay15:31
seb128not sure about those boot issues though15:31
seb128it seems still quite some users are hitting bugs15:31
rickspencer3seb128: anything specific in boot worrying you?15:31
seb128no, just the number of people joining on IRC to say their box doesn't boot15:32
seb128it's not exploding but that's some every day15:32
didrockshey rickspencer315:32
rickspencer3hmmmm15:32
rickspencer3hi didrocks15:32
rickspencer3seb128: when you see those issues, could you please take a moment and ensure that any bug reports are tagged with "ubuntu-boo" so they show up here:15:34
rickspencer3https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=ubuntu-boot15:34
seb128rickspencer3, yes15:34
rickspencer3thanks15:34
rickspencer3kenvandine: how does the ayatana beta bug list look?15:34
kenvandinenearly all the highs are fixed released15:36
kenvandineso not bad15:36
kenvandinepitti did the polkit port for indicator-session15:36
pittihey rickspencer315:36
kenvandinenotify-osd crashers still aren't fixed15:36
kenvandinebut they are planned to be fixed for the thursday release15:37
rickspencer3kenvandine: can you please paste me link for ayatana beta milestone?15:37
kenvandineand the user list for the session applet should land today15:37
kenvandinehttps://edge.launchpad.net/ayatana/+milestone/ubuntu-9.10-beta-freeze15:37
rickspencer3kenvandine: also, I'm meeting with slangasek today to discuss things that will be landing late, etc...15:37
kenvandineok15:38
* kenvandine cries at bug 43409715:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 434097 in indicator-messages "Launchers shouldn't be stored in /etc" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43409715:39
kenvandinemakes sense... but means tweaking other packages15:40
mpthttp://www.flickr.com/photos/vincentt/429341534/15:49
* mpt wonders if it's even remotely possible to present this in an understandable way15:49
davmor2mvo: Bad news dude I get exactly the same thing on the installed version. click on any category and you get nothing displayed15:59
davmor2mvo: version is 0.3.7.116:01
rickspencer3kenvandine: what are the consequences of ignoring bug 434097 for the time being16:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 434097 in indicator-messages "Launchers shouldn't be stored in /etc" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43409716:02
kenvandinebad16:02
kenvandineit means the launchers won't get removed on upgrade16:02
kenvandinei think16:02
kenvandineit can't be much work16:02
kenvandinebut it means touching a few other packages16:03
kenvandineit should be done before beta16:03
rickspencer3kenvandine: who is doing it?16:03
kenvandinei can do the apps16:03
kenvandineted is doing indicator-messages16:03
kenvandinebut we need indicator-messages fixed first16:03
mvompt: davmor2 did that work before? i mean, in a earlier install? I think its something to do with the way the livefs is created, a bug report would be good so that we can keep it on the radar16:04
davmor2mvo: doing so now16:04
davmor2mvo: this is on the installed system16:06
mvodavmor2: thanks, I think the root of the problem is that the software-store-db is empty on the livefs and remains being empty on the installed one as well16:10
davmor2mvo: bug 434699  that would sound plausible as it doesn't show any installed apps either16:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 434699 in software-store "Nothing shows up in the software-store" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43469916:12
Amaranthmvo: Did you see how that really neat compiz feature to keep plugins specified on the command line came back to bite us?16:14
mvodavmor2: thanks16:15
davmor2no probs16:15
mvoAmaranth: no, in what way?16:15
Amaranthkeybindings were being lost because gnome-wm runs `compiz gconf` so gconf and ccp were specified on the command line and thus neither one could be unloaded16:15
mvooh bugger - that is the cause of the keybinding fialures?16:15
mvoheh :)16:15
AmaranthThat's why switching to metacity and back fixed it, it stopped running gnome-wm16:15
mvocool that you found it!16:16
Amaranthit's an upgrade problem16:16
mvocan't we just fix gnome-wm ?16:16
AmaranthI think robert-ancell may have done so already16:16
mvogreat16:17
Amaranthsomeone PMed after I left a note in the bug report and I had him send me his ~/.gconf, was pretty easy after that :)16:17
* mvo hugs Amaranth16:17
tseliotAmaranth: is there a bug report about gnome-wm?16:21
Amaranthtseliot: bug 43098116:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 430981 in gnome-session "keybindings not remembered on reboot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43098116:22
tseliotAmaranth: thanks16:22
Amaranthhrm, apparently my old laptop's HD is failing16:22
Amaranth"DISK FAILURE IS IMMINENT" it says16:23
Amarantheven my BiOS says it's trashed :/16:24
* asac has to run some errands ... be back for team meeting16:25
seb128Amaranth, seems that's still a compiz issue16:30
seb128Amaranth, the both plugins load so none is working issue16:30
Amaranthseb128: start compiz the wrong way, get the wrong result16:31
seb128compiz could be robust there16:31
seb128that used to work correctly16:31
seb128it breaks things which were working16:31
AmaranthIt could be but that's a bunch of code to add to compiz or a one line change to gnome-wm16:32
seb128which one? ;-)16:32
huatsseb128:  How do I proceed to update bug-buddy.I mean it is in universe so I can upload it... The I think I will :) I have opened a bug for the update, and I can attach the bzr branch in it... If someone merge it with the desktop team one, is it ok ?16:42
seb128huats, yes16:43
huatsok16:43
huatsgreat16:43
seb128I'm not sure why it's in the desktop team bzr16:43
huatsDon't knoweither :)16:43
seb128if it's universe it should probably not be there16:43
pittiwe can just re-own the branch to ~ubuntu-dev16:43
pittihuats: if you could update vcs-bzr on the next upload?16:43
huatspitti I haven't upload it yet16:44
huatsso I can do it now...16:44
pittihuats: what's the current branch?16:45
pittihttps://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bug-buddy doesn't exist..16:45
pittiargh , no ~16:45
huatspitti: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/bug-buddy/ubuntu16:45
pittihuats: changed16:45
pittihuats: please push your changes there and update vcs-bzr:16:46
huatspitti: I will push my changes in my own branch (I cannot write to ~ubuntu-desktop), changing the vcs-bzr to lp:~ubuntu-dev/bug-buddy/ubuntu16:48
pittimat_t: hi16:48
huatsis it ok  ?16:48
pittihuats: ~ubuntu-desktop/bug-buddy/ubuntu is no more16:48
huatsok16:48
pittihuats: just push you's to ~ubuntu-dev/bug-buddy/ubuntu16:48
huatsok16:49
pittihuats: I re-owned the existing branch16:49
huatswill do16:49
huatsjust let me finsih the test run :) (andthus to download all its deps)16:49
pittitedg, kenvandine: hm, I now get a green message dot on the indicator applet whenever someone appears16:54
pittiis that on purpose?16:54
pittiif so, can I tell it not to do so?16:55
tedgpitti: Well, now that application chooses that.  But, no application should do that.16:55
tedgpitti: What app are you using?16:55
pittitedg: I can't tell whether I have pending messages (urgent) or just appeared people (usually uninteresting to me)16:55
pittitedg: empathy16:55
tedgOkay, we need to fix that in Empathy.16:55
kenvandinepitti, oh... green dot on presence changes?16:55
kenvandineok16:55
pittiwant a bug report?16:55
kenvandinepitti, please file a bug and assign to me16:55
pittiroger16:56
tedgIt shouldn't be setting draw attention for people logging in and out.16:56
kenvandinetedg, agreed... that means it is using the same code though... so i need to tear that apart a bit16:56
tedg(ironically, this was actually the reason we created the draw attention field)16:56
rugby471mvo, mpt, mac_v: hello16:56
kenvandinei only added the draw-attention in one place16:56
tedgkenvandine: Ah, okay.16:56
mptrugby471, hello, do you need some bugs to fix? :-)16:56
rugby471mvo: 3/4 way through integrating the historyview :-)16:56
mvohey rugby47116:56
rugby471mpt: maybe a bit later :-)16:57
mptok16:57
kenvandinetedg, so probably gonna be a little more than a one liner :)16:57
mptmvo, oh, you're alive! I was going to ask you in our call about bug 39652716:57
pittimeh, ubuntu-bug doesn't work16:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 396527 in aptdaemon "Does not support config file conflicts handling" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39652716:57
pittifirefox keeps crashing16:57
tedgkenvandine: The actual details are left to the reader :)  /me should write textbooks16:58
mvompt: I'm wokring on it, it should actually be working now, probably needs a bit more testing love16:58
mvompt: did you try to reach me earlier? I'm here since ~8h or so16:59
mptmvo, yes, 88 minutes ago16:59
mptmvo, my first question was: How often does this happen with multiple configuration files for the same package?16:59
mptOr is that case not worth worrying about?16:59
mvompt: how odd, i can not see it in the backlog and I seem to have not dropped offline since, what was the exact timestamp?17:00
mvompt: it may happen to any number of configuration files, but it usually just happens for one or two files (if it happens at all)17:01
mvompt: it does not happen frequently17:01
mvo(ie. I think most people will never see it)17:01
mptok17:01
mat_thi pitti17:01
pittimat_t: sent mail about the usplash theme now17:02
mat_tpitti: ok, checking17:02
pittimat_t: I'm afraid I need your gimp sk1llz17:02
pitti(or whichever program you are using)17:02
mat_t:)17:02
mptmvo, whenever it happens to me, it's usually a file I have no clue about17:03
mvompt: if that is the case, then that is a bug in the package, it should only ever happen if that file was modified by you. but there are bugs here, no question about this17:03
mat_tpitti: np, I'll get you the images in a bit17:04
Riddelllis there a desktop meeting today?17:05
seb128yes17:05
pittikenvandine: done, bug 43472617:05
seb128kenvandine, is it normal that clicking on the empathy notification area icon doesn't toggle user list visibility?17:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 434726 in empathy "Gets indicator attention for joining people" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43472617:05
mptmvo, next question: When it says "The configuration file ... was modified", how exactly does it know?17:05
kenvandineseb128, it shouldn't toggle, it should always show17:06
seb128kenvandine, I don't want to always show it17:06
mvompt: it compares the file in the deb package to the file on disk (and that to the file that was in the previous deb package). if the file in the previous deb and the new deb differ it shows the dialog *if* the file was modified by the user17:06
mvo(or by a script)17:06
seb128kenvandine, I've no user for a user list on screen all the time17:07
seb128"no use"17:07
kenvandineseb128, we did that based on direction from the design team17:07
kenvandineyeah... well you can close it :)17:07
seb128bah17:07
kenvandinempt could defend it :)17:07
mptmvo, so for every file that the new .deb is going to write, dpkg goes looking to see if that same file was previously put there by another .deb?17:07
seb128I start being really annoyed by the design team17:07
mptkenvandine, I doubt it, I don't think Empathy should have a notification area icon.17:07
seb128half of the changes they ask for just break things most users rely on17:07
rugby471mvo: I am creating a new branch for the history stuff, for the old branch, do you want me to revert including the dependency dialog changes, or put them in the post karmic branch?17:08
kenvandineactually... it shouldn't17:08
kenvandineseb128, notification area icon or indicator?17:08
seb128both17:08
seb128none toggle visiblity17:08
kenvandineyou shouldn't see the icon if it is in the indicator17:08
seb128I've both17:08
kenvandinehumm17:08
mvompt: yes, pretty much, this particular check is only done for files in /etc (that is slighly simplified but close enough)17:09
mvompt: so old-deb, new-deb and check if it got modified in between17:09
pittiI just have the indicator (no empaty tray icon), and I have no way to hide the user list now17:09
mvoif it is not modified, it will just be overwriten17:09
seb128kenvandine, we are letting the choice to users to have the traditional behaviour right?17:09
mptmvo, so how would this ever happen for something that isn't an update of a package?17:09
kenvandineseb128, did we with pidgin?17:09
seb128yes17:10
kenvandinei think pidgin hide the icon if it was in the indicator17:10
pittioh, I think you can just close the window, can you?17:10
seb128it is a preference option17:10
kenvandineif you uncheck the indicator, you will get the icon17:10
seb128we set the "show notification area icon" to no by default17:10
kenvandinepitti, yes17:10
seb128but you can change it to always17:10
mptmvo, e.g. if you're installing one application, in what sort of cases does it overwrite a configuration file from another application?17:10
pittiright, that workd17:10
kenvandineseb128, but we don't want both... right?17:10
kenvandineone or the other17:10
seb128I do17:10
kenvandinehumm17:10
seb128I want the icon to show and hide the list17:10
seb128and the indicator to collect messages17:10
kenvandinempt, do we want to support that use case?17:10
mvompt: its the upgrade case we worry about, but we do support upgrades of packages in the store currently17:11
seb128lot of users are going to be really unhappy if you don't17:11
seb128and that starts with me17:11
mvompt: a package should not do that (overwrite a configuraiton in another package)17:11
kenvandine:)17:11
seb128why shouldn't be able to show and hide the buddy list as I'm doing for years?17:11
pittiso hiding is easy, just close the windwo17:11
mptkenvandine, a major purpose of the messaging menu is to abolish all the other IM notification area icons.17:11
pittiseb128: you mean on the empathy tray icon?17:11
seb128yes17:11
pittiseb128: yes, that should just continue to work17:11
pittiwe don't even show it by default17:11
seb128pitti, it doesn't17:11
pittiso I don't see a reason to break it17:12
seb128clicking the icon stopped hidding the list17:12
mptmvo, so when this happens with the Store, it's because an application is misbehaving?17:12
pittidisabling toggling from the indicator menu makes more sense17:12
kenvandineseb128, we should change that back to toggle17:12
kenvandineseb128, file a bug for that17:12
mvompt: that or the user selected to upgrade a package withtin the store17:12
pittikenvandine: can we have toggle on the empathy icon and retain non-toggle on the indicator menu?17:12
mptmvo, ... upgrade a package within the store? How?17:12
kenvandinepitti, well... it would require a little extra code17:13
kenvandinebut we should be able to17:13
mvompt: there is a upgrade button in the store if the app can be upgraded17:13
seb128kenvandine, ok thanks17:13
mvo(we also have a bug about this - lp #432610)17:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 432610 in software-store "Cannot remove app if it has an upgrade available" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43261017:14
mptmvo, oh, so this entire problem, and that one too, is because you decided to let the Store upgrade packages as well as installing and removing them? :-)17:14
seb128kenvandine, can you also reply on bug #434121?17:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 434121 in empathy "no notification area for new empathy update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43412117:14
mvompt: I'm not sure I decided that, but I might have mis-read/heared it in the flurry of spec updates17:15
mvompt: if it should be removed I can do that17:15
mptmvo, to be fair, probably we would have introduced that eventually, but an easy way to fix both those bugs for now would be to get rid of the Upgrade button17:15
mat_tpitti: sent!17:15
pittimat_t: wow, that was fast17:15
mptmvo, unless you think it's still important to handle the case where an app being installed overwrites another app's config file.17:16
mvompt: but I still think that having support for the case should be there, just in case something requires it because of oddness somewhere (e.g. a package install triggers a removal of another package and they share a coffile without proper cleanup in between or somesuch)17:16
mvompt: but it means the urgency of a good design for the dialog is not that high given that it will be displayed only in rare circumstances17:18
pittimat_t: hm, now the pictures just have a gray palette17:19
mptmvo, in that example you just gave, if that triggered uninstallation happens first, how does dpkg then know that the file it's about to replace belonged to a particular package that's not there any more?17:19
pittimat_t: do you know how to change that to a palette with real colors, such as teh standard web 256 colors?17:19
mvompt: it keeps two states, removed and purged. only the later kills config files17:19
pittimat_t: I can't have red text with just a gray palette :-)17:19
mvompt: a remove will leave those files in the dpkg db17:19
mptmvo, is that what Synaptic tries to convey with "Mark for Removal" vs. "Mark for Complete Removal"?17:20
mvompt: yes, a purge can mean more than that though, a purge might remove a generated database for example. a remove may leave it in place17:21
mptok17:21
mvompt: the exact meaning differs from package to package, but purge means "get rid of everything, even stuff that can not be re-created again via a install"17:21
pittiasac, ccheney, Riddelll, tkamppeter: can you please put in your activity reports to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-09-22 or mail them to me?17:22
mvompt: its dinner time here, I will read scrollback if you have more questions17:22
mptmvo, I guess in future we could show the size taken up by those files, to help you make an informed decision about whether you want to purge them17:22
mptmvo, ok, thanks17:22
mvompt: yes17:22
mvompt: well, that is tricky in the case of the database example because we have no way of knwoing that size17:22
Riddelllpitti: oh?  what have you done to rick?17:23
mptmvo, quick question: When this conflict arrives, is it always too late to cancel the installation?17:23
mvompt: its only via the maintainer scripts that the package gets purged and the exact semantic depends on the action of that script17:23
pittiRiddelll: I've sent him to LinuxCon :-P17:23
mvompt: yes, we could try to detect them upfront, but that is not 100% reliable17:23
* mvo is away17:23
mptok, thanks17:23
mat_tpitti: OK, I'll convert them to web colors17:24
pittimat_t: thanks17:24
mat_tpitti: why can't you have red and grey?17:24
pittimat_t: there are plenty of grey colors in your palette, but no red17:25
mptrugby471, another challenge for you will be to import the past Commit Logs into your XML history :-)17:25
mat_taaah, I see17:25
mat_tI didn't know it had to be included in the image palette :)17:25
pittimat_t: usplash's design is pretty limited in that regard, sorry17:25
mat_tcool, np17:25
mat_tI'll do it now17:25
mat_tweb palette will have red :)17:25
pittimat_t: it made a few basic assumptions about the themes and graphics drivers in the beginning which are very hard to change17:25
mat_tI see17:26
pittimat_t: muchas gracias17:26
mat_tnp!17:26
mat_t;)17:26
djsiegelseb128: , where's rick?17:27
kenvandinedjsiegel, linuxcon17:27
djsiegelok17:27
seb128djsiegel, do you need something?17:28
djsiegelSo, we are turning humanity on by default on the desktop.17:28
djsiegelAnd I was tasked with making sure (1) it gets put in the beta, and (2) it's easy to revert to human if the powers that be decide against it at the last moment.17:28
seb128both are easy17:29
Amaranthhumanity doesn't have a colorless icon for bluetooth :/17:29
djsiegelfantastic17:29
Amaranthmakes it looks funky17:29
pittiasac, tseliot, ArneGoetje, ccheney, Riddelll, kenvandine, seb128, tkamppeter: ready for meeting?17:29
djsiegelAmaranth: it doesn't have colorless for everything, unfortunately17:29
seb128pitti, ^ can you do the change to install it by default?17:29
Riddelllyay, meeting!17:29
mat_tpitti: I'm pretty sure that we had images with less restrictive palette before17:29
seb128pitti, I will change the default schemas17:29
kenvandineyup17:29
tseliothere I am :-)17:30
seb128pitti, yes, ready for meeting17:30
pittimat_t: the palette can be arbitrary; the only limitation is that the text colors must be in the palette of the image17:30
ArneGoetjepitti: here17:30
mat_tpitti: OK, I see17:30
pittiseb128: which change? can we do that after meeting?17:30
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seb128pitti, yes, after meeting17:30
asachi17:30
seb128pitti, <djsiegel> So, we are turning humanity on by default on the desktop.17:31
* asac lands in a hurry17:31
pittiso, welcome to our meeting this week17:31
pittiFAQ: Where's Rick?  A: LinuxCon17:31
pitti== Actions from previous meetings ==17:31
pittiAll actions are to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage:17:31
pittiACTION: TheMuso to check on how to call the audio symptom script and update the wiki accordingly17:32
pittiThis wasn't done, I'll mail him and push forward17:32
pittiACTION: robert_ancell to check on Graphic Environment section17:32
pittino compiz there, dito17:32
pittiACTION: pitti to add section about storage devices17:32
pittidone17:32
pittispeaking about that, did you hear some feedback about the changed bug process?17:33
pittiand noticed some change in the reported bugs?17:33
asacnope ;) ... just that i cannot file directly easily17:33
pittifirefox now crashes with a "bad x window" error every time I use ubuntu-bug, that might help to reduce the bug flow  *evil grin*17:33
asacok17:33
seb128;-)17:33
asaci will patch that out before beta17:33
tseliotheh17:33
seb128lot of people complained about that17:34
pittiasac: I actually meant for bugs that you receive17:34
seb128that = the firefox crash17:34
pittiah17:34
seb128there was some legitim concerns on the list about the change itself too17:34
asacyes.17:34
asacits time to hide it ;)17:34
pittiright, I'm primarily interested in the workflow feedback, not that ff bug17:34
asaci really want to have a link to do it directly somewhere17:34
seb128I find it annoying to not be able to open bugs from the webui17:35
pittiof course there's always the usual opposition to change, but I wondered about which legitimate reasons there were for filing them directly17:35
awe+117:35
seb128I do that most of the time because that's easier and faster17:35
asacpitti: what other changes were done besides not being able to report directly?17:35
asacis there a document?17:35
asacseb128: ++17:35
seb128people in the bug team who can set status etc should be able to file bugs imho17:35
tseliotseb128: +++17:35
pittiasac: primarily that; we're updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage along with it17:35
seb128I never know which team that is17:35
pittiseb128: ubuntu-bugcontrol17:35
asacok17:35
seb128bugsquad? bug control?17:35
seb128ok17:35
asacso please add an option to report directly somewhere (hidden)17:35
asacthats what i want ;)17:36
seb128so people in that team should have the filebug not hidden17:36
pittianyway, there's the ?no-direct argument, but it's not easy to find17:36
ArneGoetjeI usually file translation related bugs directly, as I don't need to have the package installed for that17:36
seb128it impacts productivity17:36
pittiasac: it does exist, just hidden, as I said17:36
asacpitti: i found that but its event hard to type because you dont get the +submit anymore17:36
pittiArneGoetje: good one17:36
asacpitti: i want that hidden on the webui somewhere ;)17:36
seb128same for workflow bugs17:36
asaclike a tiny link at the bottom of the bug page or something17:36
seb128I've added ?no-redirect to versions though17:36
seb128so that's ok17:36
mat_tpitti: done!17:37
pittiok, thanks17:37
seb128otherwise some people have legitim concerns17:37
seb128like they don't want to risk sending private datas17:37
pittiACTION: pitti to talk to bdmurray about +filebug feedback17:37
seb128or are on an enterprise proxy which doesn't allow apport use17:37
pittiso we could perhaps bring it back, but replace it with a page which gives you better instructions, and require an additional step to file it directly?17:37
seb128well, I would be in favor of having the url in the page as well17:38
seb128and don't redirect bug control people17:38
asaci would say: if you click on report a bug you go to an error page17:38
pittiI do like the idea of pointing at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage in general, but perhaps not so insistant?17:38
asacthat triggeres ubuntu-bug17:38
asacand that also has a link to "yes, i want to continue"17:38
aweasac, i like that idea17:38
pittiasac: that requries a browser plugin, though, no?17:39
asac"yes, i know about the implications and I still want to file the bug directly" ;)17:39
pittibut at least the page could say "Please follow these instructions:" [find right package] [launch ubuntu-bug]17:39
seb128I'm not in favor of this one17:39
seb128people tend to not read and just click17:39
asacpitti: a protocol handler like apturil17:39
pittiand then a small link at the bottom which continues on the web?17:39
asacubuntu-bug:file/firefox-3.517:39
pittiasac: probably a bit out of scope for karmic, though?17:39
pittiand wouldn't work for other browsers, too?17:40
asacI dont have time before beta for that. yes.17:40
seb128easy change: set the url to file a bug anyway on the explanation page + don't redirect bug control17:40
pittiso let's perhaps keep it low-tech for now17:40
asaccan we teach the wiki page17:40
asacto display something dynamic?17:40
pittinot with being a wiki page17:41
asacor is that all static ... otherwise i would go to the current wiki page and have the right link to file directly at the bottom17:41
asacbut we probably could move that somewhere else?17:41
pittiLP has the concept of "bug filing instructions"17:41
pittibut they appear way too late17:41
pittiat that point most people won't bother any more17:42
asacagree17:42
pittithey already picked a package and a title17:42
asaccan we not redirect, but proxy the wiki page?17:42
pittiso something that resembles https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage but offers you a link to "file it anyway" woudl be okay for everyone for now?17:42
asacthat would at least allow me to append the ?direct17:42
asacto the current url17:43
seb128pitti, did you read what I said before?17:43
asaccurrently i have to copy the url ... paste it in location bar ... add ?direct .. etc.17:43
pittiseb128: I did17:43
seb128ok, good17:43
asacseb128: what explanation page?17:43
AmaranthThis sounds like a job for a userscript :)17:43
pittibut bug filing behaving differently for different people makes it even more confusing perhaps?17:43
seb128asac, whever you are redirected right now ...17:43
seb128wherever17:44
asacseb128:  the wiki page is not dynamix17:44
seb128I didn't say we it to be?17:44
seb128I said the add an url to file anyway to it17:44
pittianyway, I think we covered the arguments sufficiently, I think we should put the details to mail now17:44
asacseb128: but how can you put a url to file a bug against a specific package there17:44
seb128and make launchpad only redirect !bugcontrol17:44
Amaranthubuntu-bugcontrol people tend to use firefox-lp-enhancements package or whatever, right? just add a userscript that automatically adds the ?no-redirect17:44
asacif its not dynamic you could just make a general "file a bug anyway against ubuntu"17:44
seb128hum, right17:45
asacseb128: i think redirecting !bugcontrol would be a good start17:45
asacif thats easier17:45
pittiok, thanks17:45
pittiso, let's go on17:45
pitti=== Partner update ===17:46
pittikenvandine?17:46
kenvandineok17:46
kenvandinei haven't gotten an update from OLS, they are sprinting and haven't responded17:46
kenvandinebut i posted what i know on the wiki17:46
kenvandinecouch shouldn't start at boot anymore17:46
kenvandineand we need desktopcouch and bindwood releases before sync can be turned on17:47
kenvandinei hope they are expecting to do that this week17:47
pittibindwood/desktopcouch peer syncing very much sound like a new feature?17:47
kenvandinei will chase them down today17:47
seb128asac, pitti: bug #432088 btw17:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 432088 in malone "Cannot file a bug on my own packages!" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43208817:47
kenvandinepitti, the feature is there... just turned off right now17:47
pittikenvandine: so it's never been tested, etc.17:47
kenvandinethey had to wait for oauth to be fixed in couch17:47
asacthx17:47
kenvandinepitti, ok, if we need to get a freeze exception i can get them going on that17:48
kenvandinei had told them they might need to17:48
pittiit's very late already, beta is next week!17:48
* tseliot has to leave in a few minutes17:48
kenvandinei know!17:48
pittitseliot: anythign on your heart which we need to discuss?17:48
pittitseliot: great work on X this week, btw! *hug*17:48
tseliotpitti: nothing comes to my mind atm17:48
tseliotand thanks :-)17:49
kenvandineubuntuone client is most likely to need a UI exception for the preferences problem they have17:49
pittikenvandine: so on the DX front we mainly deal with bugs now, right? is there anythign still pending to land?17:49
pittioh, there's new gdm artwork17:49
kenvandineright now it is pretty easy to get into a situation where you can't get back to preferences17:49
kenvandinepitti, the user list17:49
seb128pitti, I'm a bit concerned that the message indicator behaviour is still fuzzy and changing17:50
pittikenvandine: ah, right17:50
kenvandinethat is landing today i think in time for thursday17:50
pittiseb128: *nod*; some recent regressions there17:50
kenvandinewe need a good list of those asap17:50
kenvandinethe MC5 port for indicator-session needs to happen asap too17:51
kenvandineshould be in by thursday17:51
pittiok, thanks17:51
kenvandineseb128, please make sure issues you find with the indicator all have bugs and that i know about them17:51
kenvandinefeel free to assign them to me and i will make sure the right people are looking at them17:52
kenvandinesame goes for everyone17:52
seb128kenvandine, how do we make sure you know about those bugs? subscribing you is enough?17:52
kenvandineyeah17:52
kenvandineping me on irc17:52
seb128ok, will do17:52
kenvandineassign to me17:52
kenvandineetc17:52
seb128would be nice if you could watch empathy bugs for a bit too17:52
kenvandineif they aren't assigned, assign to me17:52
seb128since you landed changes recently there17:52
kenvandinei am17:52
seb128ok good17:53
seb128thanks!17:53
pitti== Kubuntu Update ==17:53
Riddelllooh that's me17:53
pittiRiddelll: floor's your's17:53
Riddelll - DVDs oversized, next Amarok upload may fix that17:53
Riddelll - OEM installer broken, but broken in Ubuntu Desktop too17:53
Riddelll - Upgrade from Jaunty works but with some config file quirks that I need to work around17:53
Riddelll - jockey and apport still need investigation17:53
Riddelll(unless pitti has done anything with apport)17:53
Riddelllthat's all17:53
pittiRiddelll: I didn't really17:54
pittiI got the latest kubuntu netbook image, but didn't have time to check out apport on it yet17:54
RiddelllI'll ping yuiry17:54
pittiI still didn't see the patch that he has for fixing it17:54
pittiDVDs oversized> ubuntu suffers the same, so if anyone has brilliant ideas what to kick..17:55
Amaranthpitti: evolution!17:55
asacDVDs oversized and CDs are fine? fun17:55
asacwhat is going on a DVD? all main?17:55
pittino, it's a seed17:56
Riddelllasac: it's a separate seed, but e.g. all language packs17:56
pittibut just a side remark, no need to discuss in meeting17:56
Riddelllinfact all language packs twice17:56
asacoh17:56
pittiRiddelll: we kicked most langpacks from dvd-ship17:56
pittiyou might want to do the same17:56
pittiyou still have them in the live system, and for alternate the installer will fetch them17:56
pittiit's the least evil and brings some 200 MB17:56
pittiRiddelll: what's the latest word on the n-m front?17:57
Riddelllpitti: works fine for wifi and ethernet it seems, although it's one of the upgrade quirks I need to hack around17:58
pittisounds like progress, though17:58
pitti== Release Bugs/Release Status ==17:58
asacRiddelll: any info on modem?17:58
* pitti on hold17:59
asacno need to wait17:59
Riddelllasac: my 3G one didn't work with  nm-applet, you wanted me to test with --debug didn't you?17:59
asacRiddelll: yes.17:59
asacRiddelll: lets talk after meeting17:59
asacpitti: go ahead17:59
Riddelllasac: yep17:59
pittiso, I updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus last Friday, and some more updates today18:00
pittiit's pretty up to date now18:00
pittiwe have done good work on the RC bug front, but they keep coming18:00
pittithanks to seb128 for putting together a GNOME specific variant of that list18:00
pittiso, just as a general reminder, if you have bugs which are critical to Karmic's success, please add a karmic task and set it to high or critical18:01
seb128you're welcome!18:01
pittiseb128: ^ that might apply to some of your's18:01
pittiso that they are on the release team radar and have no problem with getting approved for upload after freezes, etc.18:01
seb128right, I plan to do that too18:01
seb128building a karmic list first then adjusting settings18:01
pittiawesome18:02
pittiwith karmic being the crack release we shouldn't be too picky18:02
pittiwe'll have plenty of time to fix and polish Lucid18:02
pittibut still, some of those bugs are serious for karmic, too18:02
pittiok, == rickspencer3's list of heartache ==18:03
pittilet's walk through them, shall we?18:03
kenvandinesounds like fun18:03
pittiubuntu-boot bugs> let's skip that one, -EWRONGTEAM18:03
pittiand Rick follows them like a hound dog18:03
pittiapplying his whip cracking approach..18:03
pitti- empathy audio/video is crashy18:04
kenvandinepitti, i am going to spend time debugging that this week18:04
kenvandineaudio has been pretty solid lately18:04
kenvandineafaik18:04
pittikenvandine: we can certainly get help from upstream (hey cassidy!) for that?18:04
kenvandineyeah :)18:04
pittithey might have some hints what we do wrong in terms of versions/packaging18:04
kenvandinesure18:04
pittido we have the fallback option to disable video?18:05
pittibetter to not offer it at all, than to show the button and just crash..18:05
kenvandinei suspect we can...18:05
kenvandinei will look into that18:05
cassidypitti, what's the problem?18:05
kenvandineper protocal right?18:05
kenvandinecassidy, video crashes empathy18:05
kenvandineconsistently18:05
cassidyoh that's annoying18:05
kenvandinevia jabber18:05
kenvandinecassidy, i will chase you down after the meeting ok?18:05
cassidydid you upgrade to the latest telepathy-farsight ?18:05
pittithanks18:06
kenvandinecassidy, yes18:06
pittikenvandine: can you please make sure that there's a bug to track?18:06
kenvandineok18:06
pittiACTION: kenvandine to file a bug about empathy video crash and discuss with upstream18:06
pitti- empathy not interacting well with messaging menu18:06
cassidykenvandine, this one https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-farsight/+bug/43346118:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 433461 in telepathy-farsight "Sync telepathy-farsight 0.0.11-2 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released]18:06
pittiI think that's covered by bug reports18:06
pittiIs there something keeping compiz from working on intel 945?18:06
AmaranthNot that I've heard, are you having problems?18:07
pittiis that related to bug 392039?18:07
cassidykenvandine, will fly away soon; please open a bugs including logs etc, I'll have a look at it tomorrow18:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 392039 in initramfs-tools "initramfs scripts hard-coded to load i915; blocks loading non-intel drm modules" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39203918:07
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AmaranthOh, right, that fun18:07
AmaranthYeah, that's ubuntu-boot stuff18:07
pittiAmaranth, cassidy: can we please discuss after meeting?18:07
cassidypitti, sure18:07
pittiI have a 945, and it mostly works, except when the initramfs fails to enable KMS18:07
pittikenvandine: can you do the three gwibber ones?18:08
* pitti has NFC about gwibber, I'm afraid18:08
kenvandinewell18:08
kenvandinei can't repro the not seeing messages18:08
kenvandinei need debugging info18:08
kenvandine the indicator behavior shouldn't be pretty decent now (as of yesterday)18:09
kenvandineif not i need bug reports18:09
pittiok, nevermind that then; Rick should file a bug then18:09
kenvandine:)18:09
pittikenvandine: s/shouldn't/should/?18:09
kenvandineshould18:09
kenvandineright :)18:09
pittisession menu - status interactions with apps not working well18:09
pittithat's the empathy/pidgin integration18:10
pittikenvandine: do you happen to know about this?18:10
kenvandineyeah18:10
kenvandinethat is the MC5 port18:10
kenvandineright now it gets/sets the status based on MC418:10
kenvandineit is being worked on now18:10
kenvandineshould land before thursday18:10
pittinice18:10
* pitti looks forward to Thursday18:11
pittisoftware-store -- is it showing up in the right places?18:11
pittiI think it does now, right?18:11
pittiI have it in the apps menu18:11
pitti(license and naming is a separate topic)18:11
seb128yes18:11
AmaranthIs it supposed to show up in System->Administration?18:11
kenvandineno18:11
kenvandineapplications18:11
Amaranthit does :)18:11
kenvandineit is18:11
kenvandine:)18:11
pittioh, right, it does18:11
kenvandinein applications18:12
seb128it does in both18:12
kenvandineoh18:12
seb128what was gnome-app-install doing?18:12
kenvandineboth18:12
kenvandineok18:12
Amaranththat's because of Categories18:12
pittiso we probably need to fix that18:12
seb128in any case iz mvo bog18:12
seb128ie wrong team18:12
pittiok18:12
Amaranthseb128: gnome-app-install.desktop had no Categories so it would have ended up in Other if you didn't have the <Include> rule18:12
pittiso, == work items ==18:12
pittihttp://piware.de/workitems/desktop/karmic/report.html18:12
pittiwe clearly need to postpone stuff now18:13
pittiunless someone magically has done work items but not marked them done? :-)18:13
pittidesktop-karmic-input-methods18:13
didrockspitti is dreaming :)18:13
pittiArneGoetje: what's left on that?18:13
pittiRiddelll: Kubuntu list has 25 TODOs, can some of them be postponed?18:14
ArneGoetjepitti: just the release notes and test plan, I guess... bugs are flowing in already...18:14
pittiah, that sounds feasible indeed18:14
pittiawe, asac: desktop-karmic-network-ui has quite a few non-QA/test ones18:15
Riddelllpitti: the artwork ones are done, the rest are mostly not strict features (e.g. "test and release" doesn't really count as a feature)18:15
Riddelllpitti: I'll tidy up that page anyway yes18:15
pittiRiddelll: I guess "release" is pretty much done, and "testing" is a bit too blurry to be able to say "DONE"?18:15
asacpitti: the applet changes are still getting refined upstream. once we know whats going on (i am pushing really hard) we will update that spec18:16
pittiasac: thanks18:16
pittidesktop-karmic-automagic-python-build-system 38/0/41818:16
pittiWTF?18:16
asacwhat is 418?18:16
pittitodo/postponed/done18:16
asaci observed that my blueprint whiteboard changes sometimes get forgotton18:17
pittiso, that's clearly a bug in the WI parser :)18:17
seb128ups18:17
asaclike i change the epihy webkit item one day ... one week later its again on TODO18:17
pittiit doesn't seem to affect the graph, though18:17
asacif someone else observes something like that i would be happy to know... otherwise i will keep this filed as day-dreaming18:17
pittiok, please update the WIs this week, so that we can more clearly see what we need to postpone18:18
seb128I didn't update whiteboard recently so didn't notice the issue18:18
pittiasac: sometimes I notice that changes done to edge don't land in production until like 15 minutes later18:18
asacso maybe they get forgotten sometimes too ;)18:19
asaci definitly did a few itesm more than once18:19
asacand not withing 15 minutes ... more like 1-2 weeks in between18:19
seb128did you get bug email about the change?18:19
asacmaybe if someone changes something on producing and i did something on edge -> boing18:19
pitti== AOB ==18:19
pittianyone?/18:19
seb128no18:20
pitticcheney: what's the latest word on that OO.o breakage on arm?18:20
pitticcheney: I noticed that there's a sponsoring request for a new boost; could that be related?18:20
pitti(ISTR that someone said it could be a boost regression)18:20
pittiok, thanks all! (will wait for ccheney's reply, but can happen off-meeting)18:21
seb128thanks pitti18:22
seb128brb, another gdm testing round18:22
* pitti -> dinner and ice cream18:22
* ArneGoetje -> bed18:23
seb128re18:24
asacbye18:24
seb128asac, btw epiphany-webkit 2.28 is there, interested in doing the upgrade?18:24
asacsure18:25
seb128asac, thanks ;-)18:25
asacits quick food next to my painful nm applet work18:25
seb128what are you changing or fixing there?18:26
seb128doh, freeze is thursday?18:27
kenvandineseb128, beta freeze is thursday?18:27
seb128yes18:27
kenvandinehumm... rick just told me this morning that slangasek told him we needed to plan on getting uploads done by end of monday18:28
kenvandinehe was warning me that we might want to do another round of dx uploads after thursday18:28
kenvandineor post-pone thursdays18:28
seb128well after thursday they will not go in karmic without slangasek approval18:29
seb128ie people will read the code diff and make sure we fix only bugs there18:29
seb128that slow things quite a lot usually18:29
ccheneypitti: doko is looking it afaict18:30
ccheneypitti: sorry was working with doko on getting OOo fixed18:30
Riddelllasac: so what do I test with this 3G card again?18:30
kenvandineseb128, ok18:30
ccheneypitti: he is doing testing at least wrt boost on OOo from the checkins he has made for OOo18:31
Riddelllasac: if I add --debug to the Exec line in /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.ModemManager.service what next?18:31
ccheneypitti: its getting fun trying to fix last minute OOo bugs and working on moblin at the same time, heh18:31
* kenvandine goes to grab some lunch18:31
ccheneynot to mention buying a home, getting ready to move, etc (/me thinks he picked a bad time of year to buy a house, doens't line up well with release schedule)18:32
asacRiddelll: tail syslog18:35
asacRiddelll: plug in your 3g card18:35
asacpaste what you get18:35
Riddelllasac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/275990/18:39
didrockspitti: is this package still up-to-date with the new policykit migration: policykit-doc ? (or do you have good pointers for it?)18:39
asacRiddelll: please download http://cgit.freedesktop.org/ModemManager/ModemManager/tree/test/mm-test.py18:40
asacand run that18:40
asacwith modem plugged in18:41
Riddelllasac: a18:42
Riddelllhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/275992/ is when trying to connect with nm-applet18:42
Riddelllasac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/275994/ mm-test output18:44
asacRiddelll: ok so somewhat kill modemmanager (maybe move the service file away)18:46
asacthen start minicom -s18:46
asacselect /dev/ttyS018:46
asacand save that for future use18:46
asacthen type AT+CPIN?18:46
Riddelllasac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/275998/18:48
asacRiddelll: 'AT+CPIN?'18:49
asacexactly like that18:49
asacyou can keep the minicom open18:49
Riddelllasac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/275999/18:50
asachmm18:50
Riddelllmy wvdial.conf does have Init1 = AT+CPIN=1234 in it18:51
asacRiddelll: you can try to run AT+CPIN="1234" (if thats your pin)18:51
asacare you sure your SIM is inserted properly?18:51
RiddelllI've no idea if a pin is set or no18:51
asacRiddelll: does wvdial still work?18:52
Riddelllhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/276002/18:52
Riddellllet me try wvdial18:52
strider_hi18:52
strider_i'd like to  try gnome-shell but it crashes telling me  that the file Shell.load_uri_sync is not found18:53
asacRiddelll: SIM error could mean your modem isnt properly initialized or your SIM isnt properly inserted ... or broken in some way18:58
asacusually ifts a locking issue it gives back something like SIM PUK etc on AT+CPIN?18:58
asacso i dont think thats it18:58
Riddelllasac: working great with wvdial18:58
asacRiddelll: did you still have minicom open?19:00
Riddelllno19:00
asacok19:00
asaccan you try minicom again and see if there is different output?19:01
asacbtw ... did you kill modemmanager after adding --debug to the .service file?19:01
asacRiddelll: ^ ?19:01
Riddelllasac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/276009/19:02
Riddelllasac: I don't remember if I did19:02
asacRiddelll: no ... i mean AT+CPIN?19:02
asaci assume thats SIM READY now?19:03
strider_oh, I upgraded Karmic and it works now :)19:03
Riddelllasac: how would I know?19:03
asacRiddelll: type AT+CPIN?19:04
asacin minicom19:04
Riddelllhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/276011/19:05
asacerr ... not sure whats going on for you19:06
asacRiddelll: the syntax for CPIN="..."19:06
asachas ""19:06
asacbtw19:06
asacsoAT+CPIN=123419:06
asacerr19:06
asacAT+CPIN="1234"19:06
Riddelllstill  ERROR19:06
asacok19:07
asacso lets try a few different init strings19:07
asacreplug your device19:07
asacstart minicom again19:07
asac ATZ E0 V1 X4 &C1 +FCLASS=019:08
asactry that on first line19:08
Riddelllasac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/276014/19:08
asacRiddelll: now AT+CPIN?19:10
Riddelllminicom won't let me type19:11
asachmm19:11
asacjust type blindly19:11
Riddelllsame thing after restarting19:11
asachit enter19:11
RiddelllERROR19:11
asacok the other init strings we used in 0.7 are here: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/tree/src/nm-gsm-device.c?h=NETWORKMANAGER_0_7#n7619:12
asacRiddelll: use E1 instead of E019:14
asaceverywhere to see what you type19:15
asac(in the init strings)19:15
Riddelllhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/276015/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/276016/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/276017/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/276020/19:15
Riddelllall ERROR19:15
rickspencer3kenvandine: updated gwibber working much better for me19:17
Riddelllpitti: comment 11 of bug 405378 has a patch, did you see that?19:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 405378 in apport "[karmic] in KDE apport does not open the browser to report a bug" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40537819:18
Riddelllasac: time for me to go out I'm afraid19:18
asacRiddelll: sure. i am distracted anyway by other discussions. sorry. lets continue soon19:27
asacRiddelll: if you know someone from kubuntu team that has a 3g thing that would be great19:27
kenvandinerickspencer3, awesome19:36
* Amaranth will let apport report this gwibber "crash"19:53
AmaranthIndexError in <lambda>(), fun19:53
Amaranthoh, already known19:53
kenvandineAmaranth, bug number?20:01
Amaranthturns out it was a crash in a different lambda20:01
AmaranthI seem to have lost it...20:01
Amaranthkenvandine: bug 434826 is mine20:02
ubottuBug 434826 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/434826 is private20:02
AmaranthIs the refresh option in preferences supposed to be empty? :)20:03
* Amaranth makes it public20:03
kenvandineoh... that was a bug long before gwibber 1 even20:03
kenvandinei wonder if it was fixed and broken again20:03
Amarantherr, what am I running then?20:03
kenvandinegwibber 220:03
AmaranthI can't change any preferences because that pops up and the preferences dialog stops working20:04
AmaranthActually all of gwibber probably stops working right20:04
awekenvandine, did the FF bookmark sync via u1 get implemented?20:04
kenvandineso you just set the interval?20:04
kenvandineand setting it caused that crash?20:04
kenvandineawe, yes20:04
kenvandinebindwood is the package20:04
Amaranthkenvandine: Not even that, it crashes if I don't do anything20:04
kenvandinehumm20:04
AmaranthI just opened the preferences dialog and apport popped up again20:05
kenvandinewas this an updated profile?20:05
AmaranthI've never used gwibber before a couple weeks ago20:05
kenvandineok20:05
awekenvandine, is it automatic, or do i need to opt-in?20:05
kenvandinei will test in a VM20:05
kenvandineyou have to install it20:05
kenvandineand it doesn't sync yet :)20:05
kenvandinewell... desktopcouch isn't syncing yet20:05
kenvandinewhich will sync your bookmarks if you are using bindwood20:05
Amaranthhrm, just closed gwibber and opened it again and now it is completely empty20:06
AmaranthNot even the Home area is showing anything20:06
awekenvandine, ok, thanks20:06
kenvandineAmaranth, do you see the account tree on the left?20:07
AmaranthI don't have a tree20:07
kenvandinechange your view, in the menu view->Account tree20:07
kenvandinecheck that20:07
Amaranthnow I have a tree (turned that on20:07
kenvandineit will start working20:07
kenvandineok20:07
Amaranthand yes, I have an account tree20:07
Amaranthwtf20:07
* Amaranth writes his own twitter client20:07
kenvandinethe combobox stuff is busted atm20:07
kenvandineryan was fixing it last night, but i didn't see him push any code20:08
Amaranthhmm, it seems the fun bug in the intel driver causing white shadows/decorations in compiz is back20:29
kklimondapitti, can you look at bug 429483 before freeze?20:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 429483 in transmission "Transmission 1.75, a bugfix release, is available" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42948320:44
chrisccoulsonhey seb12821:34
seb128hello chrisccoulson21:34
seb128how are you tonight?21:35
chrisccoulsonyeah, i'm not too bad thanks. just working on this GDM change21:35
chrisccoulsoni did some debugging in to the issue i'm having where gnome-system-monitor uses all the CPU and spams the session bus21:35
chrisccoulsonit only happens when i have a CD in one of the CD drives21:35
chrisccoulsonit looks like a loop somewhere in gvfs ;)21:36
seb128gvfs or devicekit? ;-)21:36
chrisccoulsonit looks like gvfs. i'll run it through GDB again in a bit so i can remember where it loops21:37
seb128ok21:37
seb128good luck ;-)21:37
* seb128 went on a gdm bug fixing sprint21:37
chrisccoulsoni noticed ;)21:37
chrisccoulsonhopefully it will get suspend and hibernate buttons shortly21:38
seb128we might get gdm half good as what we had in jaunty for karmic with some efforts ;-)21:39
chrisccoulsonyeah, hopefully:)21:39
* didrocks is on an ubuntu-fr newmockup sprint. Less technical but more human relationship (and be persuasive there is some work to do) :)21:39
* seb128 hugs didrocks21:40
* didrocks hugs seb128 back21:40
chrisccoulsonhmm, the icon name for the suspend button is incorrect21:42
chrisccoulson"media-playback-pause"21:42
seb128I'm not sure there is a suspend icon in the gnome theme21:43
seb128we had the issue for the session dialog previous cycles for sure21:43
chrisccoulsonseb128 - possibly. i only checked because the current greeter doesn't actually have a hibernate button, and i was going to add one21:43
chrisccoulsonbut i'm not sure on the icon name to use21:44
dobeyseems fitting21:44
dobeythere isn't21:44
seb128it doesn't?21:44
seb128I thought I had hibernate and suspend earlier in the cycle21:44
chrisccoulsonseb128 - it only has a suspend button in 2.2821:44
dobey"gnome" has never had a suspend icon in it21:44
chrisccoulsonnot sure why :-/21:44
seb128ok21:44
chrisccoulsonprobably removed due to lack of an icon ;)21:44
seb128because there is no real point hibernating from the login screen?21:44
seb128you can as well stop the box21:45
seb128you have nothing running21:45
chrisccoulsonseb128 - there could be, as there might be other users logged in21:45
seb128right, I was thinking that too, but I don't think it happens often21:45
chrisccoulsondo you want me to leave the hibernate button out for now? (it's easy enough to add it in though)21:45
dobeylogged in on vnc?21:45
seb128Amaranth, there?21:46
Amaranthseb128: yep21:46
seb128chrisccoulson, I've no strong opinion either way?21:46
seb128-?21:46
chrisccoulsonit seems 2.27.4 doesn't have a hibernate icon either, and that's the earliest copy of the source which i have21:46
seb128Amaranth, so basically what you say in this gnome-wm bug is to drop "OPT4=gconf" in the compiz) case21:47
seb128Amaranth, right?21:47
Amaranthseb128: right21:47
seb128you could have written that in the bug21:47
seb128I though there was an error in the gconf logic ;-)21:47
seb128thanks21:47
Amaranthseb128: I was awake at least 24 hours when I woke that comment :P21:47
seb128gconf is always loaded in the new compiz then?21:47
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AmaranthI think 28, actually21:48
Amaranthseb128: We actually don't use the gconf plugin at all anymore, the compiz-wrapper script runs compiz with the ccp plugin21:48
seb128what happens for people using the ini backend?21:48
seb128do you migrate datas in gconf?21:48
Amaranthseb128: I'm going to talk to mvo about removing the gconf, ini, and kconfig plugins from the packages21:48
seb128or from gconf21:48
Amaranthseb128: We've been using the ccp plugin for 2 releases now, I think :P21:48
AmaranthIt uses the same gconf keys, just a different plugin for accessing them21:49
seb128well, not on hardy which is the lts21:49
seb128ok21:49
seb128so cpp uses gconf it's all good21:49
seb128we still need to consider upgrades21:49
* seb128 does the change21:49
Amaranthseb128: Actually we were using ccp in hardy too21:50
seb128ok21:50
Amaranthso we've had it longer than two releases, I guess :)21:50
seb128I remember having issue between after errors compiz was falling back to the non gconf one21:50
seb128urg21:50
seb128I remember having issue because compiz was falling back to the non gconf one sometime after errors21:50
seb128that one should be possible to read ;-)21:50
AmaranthYeah, that was a fallback inside ccp I believe21:51
AmaranthOr we had it writing out broken ccp config files that were loading ini or something, don't remember the details21:51
Amaranthseb128: gnome-wm seems to also have some code that should be replacing itself with compiz in the windowmanager key in gconf21:52
Amaranthoh, that's for dapper upgrades21:52
seb128Amaranth, fix uploaded22:01
seb128hey tedg22:01
Amaranthseb128: awesome, thanks22:01
tedgEvening seb12822:01
seb128thank you for tracking the issue ;-)22:01
chrisccoulsonAmaranth - you fixed the keybinding issue?22:09
chrisccoulsonyou rock:)22:09
AmaranthI found it, seb128 just fixed it :)22:10
chrisccoulsonoops22:18
chrisccoulsonI_KNOW_THE_DEVICEKIT_POWER_API_IS_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE22:18
chrisccoulson:)22:18
seb128lo22:20
seb128lol22:20
chrisccoulsonseb128 - the GDM package has a lintian error btw (although you probably knew that already)22:28
chrisccoulsonnot-using-po-debconf22:28
seb128no I don't, I tend to not be careful to lintian, too much noise22:28
seb128what is this one about?22:28
chrisccoulsonapparently it has a non-translatable debconf template22:28
chrisccoulsonhttp://lintian.debian.org/tags/not-using-po-debconf.html22:29
chrisccoulsonoh, it looks like the old gdm package had the same error22:29
chrisccoulsonso it doesn't matter all that much22:29
seb128right, I just copied the old gdm files around22:30
seb128http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=26108622:31
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Debian: timed out (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=261086;mbox=yes)22:31
seb128"This package does not use po-debconf because it steals the templates along22:31
seb128with the translation from the xdm package.22:31
seb128"22:31
chrisccoulsonah, ok. that's a good reason:)22:32
chrisccoulsonbrb, just testing gdm22:42
chrisccoulsonyay, we have the suspend/hibernate buttons back on the greeter:)22:46
Amaranthsoftware-store needs a back button :/22:46
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i've pushed the dk-power greeter patch now22:50
seb128chrisccoulson, excellent22:53
seb128box freeze23:03
chrisccoulsonmine froze earlier too23:04

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