[00:01] seb128 - i think bug 408481, bug 433302 and bug 432692 are all the same crash [00:01] i would dupe them all, but it's a pain ;) [00:01] Launchpad bug 408481 in gnome-session "gnome-session crashed with SIGSEGV in g_main_context_dispatch()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408481 [00:01] Launchpad bug 433302 in gnome-session "gnome-session crashed with SIGSEGV in g_main_context_dispatch()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/433302 [00:01] Launchpad bug 432692 in gnome-session "gnome-session crashed with SIGSEGV in g_timeout_dispatch()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432692 [00:01] they all have their own duplicates too [00:01] ok [00:01] I will list all those in the changelo [00:02] thanks [00:02] bug #432541 too? [00:02] Launchpad bug 432541 in gnome-session "gnome-session crashed with SIGSEGV in g_main_context_dispatch()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432541 [00:03] seb128 - that one looks a little different. i'll have a look, just in case it is the same underlying issue [00:03] ok [00:05] seb128 - that's crashing here: [00:05] g_warning ("Unable to stop system: %s", error->message); [00:05] would that crash if error is a NULL pointer, or is there any checking in g_warning? [00:06] would crash if error == NULL I think [00:06] it seems that dbus_g_proxy_call_with_timeout() fails but there is nothing in error [00:06] wierd [00:06] so that one looks like a different issue [00:08] seb128 - i spotted the error [00:08] you are quick ;-) [00:09] error is defined as "GError *error" [00:09] but it passes "error" to dbus_g_proxy_call_with_timeout [00:09] oh, no = NULL? [00:09] this should be "&error" [00:09] usually those are set to NULL [00:09] and yes it should be &error [00:09] that's why it crashes when that call fails ;) [00:10] i'm not sure if you want to fix that in the same upload? [00:10] why not [00:10] cool, thanks:) [00:11] seb128- that mistake seems to be quite common in gsm-consolekit.c [00:12] it's weird that gcc says nothing about those [00:13] yeah, that is a bit strange [00:13] gsm_consolekit_attempt_restart and gsm_consolekit_attempt_stop have the same issue [00:13] i thought some other functions did too, but i think some others are correct [00:16] seb128 - you've noticed before that some applications don't refresh the theme correctly when g-s-d loads? [00:16] yes [00:16] did you figure why? [00:16] not yet. i wonder if it's a gtk issue? [00:16] I was thinking maybe a gdk one due to the client side decoration changes [00:17] but I'm not sure [00:17] yeah, i was wondering that too [00:17] I will play with that once 2.28 is uploaded [00:17] hey robert_ancell [00:18] hey seb128 [00:18] lots of updates today :) [00:18] robert_ancell, we have an updated versions.html working again cf topic [00:18] \o/ [00:18] it's running on pitti's server [00:18] yes [00:18] busy day [00:18] and quite some left for you [00:18] I'm doing gnome-session and libgweather now and will call it a day [00:18] no prob, they'll all be ready when you wake up :) [00:19] good ;-) [00:19] hmmm, strange. i was expecting a sound effect when i pressed my volume buttons [00:19] (according to the gsd changelog) [00:20] could depend on some libcanberra change or sound in the sound theme we don't have [00:20] seb128 - possibly. i added a build-dep on libcanberra-gtk-dev [00:21] ah, right [00:22] our synchronous notifications patch messes it up [00:22] because the update_dialog function returns before the sound is played [00:22] oops [00:22] that will be why [00:30] has anyone noticed that update-notifier draws a black vertical bar in the notification area briefly as it loads shortly after the session starts? [00:35] I see three black vertical bars right now [00:35] didn't notice them before [00:35] wait, *four*! [00:36] chrisccoulson: it may be something to do with icon caches? [00:36] james_w - not sure really. i just noticed it each time i log in [00:36] gtk (or perhaps the notification area protocol) don't allow you to create a notification icon that is hidden though [00:36] so you have to create one that is visible and then hide it [00:36] which leads to a fugly flash [00:36] ah, ok. that might be why it happens then [00:37] it's usually the icon though, which is why I suggested a cache issue (or just broken icon link?) causing the black bar [00:37] http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/bars.png [00:37] not that then? [00:39] james_w - you're probably right, i've not had too much time to investigate it [00:39] Laney: that's pretty odd [00:39] seb128 - i can't get the volume button sounds to work. i think we're missing the correct sounds for the event [00:39] chrisccoulson: is that what you see? [00:39] or more like blocks? [00:40] yeah, i see the vertical bars like that, but i normally only see 1 [00:40] but yours go away? [00:40] Laney - yeah, it only flashes briefly [00:40] hm [00:40] it just looksa bit ugly as everything loads [00:41] maybe this is where I've interacted with something in the area such as apport [00:43] * Laney -> bed [00:43] night folks [00:43] night Laney! [00:49] re [00:49] sorry another round of testing [00:49] chrisccoulson, still there? [00:49] i am [00:49] chrisccoulson, do you still work on the gnome-session change? [00:50] do you mean gnome-settings-daemon? [00:50] no the error against &error [00:50] did you want to do a patch or should I do one? [00:50] i don't mind. i can do it, but i probably wouldn't be able to do it tonight now [00:51] it's getting a bit late now;) [00:51] ok, let's upload the update as I have it and we can do 0ubuntu2 tomorrow [00:51] thanks [00:54] seb128 - i've pushed the g-s-d update now [00:55] chrisccoulson, ok, thanks [00:55] I'm looking at that and going to bed [00:55] i think the volume button sound issue is just a lack of sounds in our default theme [00:55] ok, makes sense [00:56] although i tried symlinking a sound, and couldn't get it to work either. but i don't know how that stuff works yet, so i guess i'll have to look at that another day [00:56] man, jaunty->karmic upgrade takes forever :/ [00:56] Fetching file 223 of 1188 [00:57] yeah, it takes a long time [00:58] i opted for a fresh install of karmic, but ended up doing the install 3 times [00:58] so, it probably took longer in the end ;) [00:58] I think it may have stalled [00:58] chrisccoulson: I'm testing something for 430981 [01:02] yay, right when I pasted that someone PMed me who still has the bug [01:02] bug 430981, that is [01:02] Launchpad bug 430981 in compiz "keybindings not remembered on reboot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430981 [01:07] seb128 - i reverted an upstream change in g-s-t which introduces a new visible string (by just modifying the ui file to hide the label). The new string will still get imported in to rosetta though won't it? [01:07] chrisccoulson, yes [01:08] what string was that? [01:08] seb128 - thanks. it is a new string in users-admin which just adds a note to explain why you can't modify a users UID [01:08] ok [01:09] but it's not fully translated upstream, and the string is gramatically incorrect anyway [01:09] so i just hid it for now [01:09] ok, makes sense [01:18] ok, time to go to bed I will do an another sponsoring round tomorrow morning [01:18] if people who will wake earlier than be have not cleaned everything ;-) [01:20] robert_ancell: good morning [01:20] I see you updated gcalc [01:20] rickspencer3, hi [01:20] of course :) [01:20] thank goodness, that was the final missing piece for Karmic [01:20] ship! [01:20] :) [01:20] yes, I am making all the other packages depend on it [01:21] lmao [01:21] in all seriousness, I hope all is well robert_ancell ? [01:21] yup, all going good [01:21] great [01:21] which conference are you at? [01:21] btw, probably no Team Meeting, Eastern edition tomorrow [01:22] TheMuso: ^ [01:22] ok, np [01:22] it's called LinuxCOn [01:22] hosted by Linux Foundation [01:22] but also the kernel team is sprinting, and lots of important Canonical people are here :) [01:22] I think we're going to get below 400 bugs in compiz for karmic :) [01:22] Amaranth, yay! [01:23] Amaranth: nice! [01:23] Of course most of that is probably going to be just cleaning up what is already there :) [01:23] Dupes, wrong package, etc :) [01:23] Amaranth, are you still working on the move/resize clipping patch? [01:23] Already dropped it about 30-40 bugs though today [01:23] robert_ancell: actually no, cornelius ended up doing it [01:24] except for the override with the keys or buttons [01:24] rickspencer3: Thought as much, thanks for the heads up anyways. [01:24] Amaranth, cool, but it is fixed now. Do you know when the 0.8.4 release will occur? [01:25] Why would a gconf key refuse to let you change it if /etc/gconf doesn't have anything for it and its current setting is not what the schema has? [01:25] robert_ancell: no idea [01:25] Amaranth, is there an entry in ~/.gconf? [01:25] well yeah [01:26] maybe just manually edit it? [01:26] someone with bug 430981 contacted me and the only weird thing I can see in their settings is the gconf plugin in active_plugins [01:26] Launchpad bug 430981 in compiz "keybindings not remembered on reboot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430981 [01:26] which should _never_ happen and could very well be breaking things [01:26] wait, I know [01:27] it's compiz blocking it, he is running fusion-icon [01:27] if you specific a plugin on the command line it will absolutely refuse to unload it [01:28] odd [01:29] it's a new feature specifically designed to make sure you don't turn off move or decoration or etc :) [01:29] but if you specify gconf on the command line it'll be stuck [01:30] it has to keep gconf loaded because you told it on the command line but you also told it ccp [01:30] they fight, you lose [01:31] these people are all upgraders so their gnome-session setup might not be what we would expect so fusion-icon is responsible for loading compiz [01:31] until they use appearance properties to switch compiz off/on [01:31] this is the only thing I can think of [01:38] Got it! [01:38] not fusion-icon, gnome-wm [01:38] /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager is still set to gnome-wm [01:42] aha [01:50] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/gnome-session/+bug/430981/comments/14 [01:50] Launchpad bug 430981 in gnome-session "keybindings not remembered on reboot" [High,Confirmed] [01:50] all laid out there [01:50] I think it's about time for bed [02:07] Amaranth, thanks for that [02:20] robert_ancell: No problem, now you can fix it and upload my failsafe session stuff at the same time ;) [02:21] Amaranth, where is that patch? [02:21] robert_ancell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~amaranth/ [02:21] don't do the panel one, seb128 would be mad :) [02:22] Hey... anyone know what license the new Software Store icon is under? [02:22] but he told me to do the failsafe one when I was complaining about it being missing so... :) [02:22] ok, will look into it [02:23] Considering the fun I've seen people compiz locking up on various chips at start the failsafe session is really needed [02:23] s/seen people/seen with people's/ [02:24] I think 28 hours awake is a bit too much to think coherent sentences ;) [02:25] Amaranth, sleep!! :) [02:25] picklesworth, they don't seem to have a specific copyright so I'm guessing they're GPL? [02:26] Indeed, it looks like it... [02:27] * Amaranth just wonders where Software Store is [02:29] Seriously, where should I be seeing it in my menus? [02:30] Amaranth, Applications>Ubuntu Software Store [02:31] nope [02:32] System>Software Store if you haven't upgraded [02:32] nope [02:32] apt-get install software-store? [02:32] installed [02:32] give me a second, I'm the menu guy :) [02:33] I probably tweaked something [02:33] weird... what does /usr/share/applications/software-store.desktop say? [02:33] it's ubuntu-software-store.desktop [02:33] and /etc/xdg/menus does include it in setup the layout properly [02:33] * Amaranth tries killall gnome-panel [02:34] nope, that didn't do it [02:35] I have no ~/.config/menus/applications.menu and I have no ~/.local/share/applications/ubuntu-software-store.desktop so nothing local is masking the system menu [02:35] NoDisplay=true [02:35] well that explains that [02:35] oh, look, an update to software-store 0.3.7.1 I missed :) [02:36] I got the panel change to remove it but not the software-store change to put it somewhere else :P [07:16] Good morning [07:18] hello pitti [08:18] * pitti ports indicator-session to polkit-1; now we can finally drop all the old policykit-gnome stuff \o/ [08:19] * didrocks hugs pitti [08:20] hmm some update just increased my battery power usage again =( [08:20] i can't pinpoint which, but now it's back to 15W instead of ~14.3W idling [08:56] good morning everybody! [08:57] hey chrisccoulson [08:57] good morning [08:57] hey kklimonda [08:57] hey pitti [08:57] hey kklimonda [08:58] hey hey [09:03] hey chrisccoulson [09:05] hey didrocks! [09:05] :) [09:14] hello there [09:14] how is everybody this morning? [09:14] hey seb128 [09:14] I'm great === asac_ is now known as asac [09:15] seb128: I just uploaded indicator-session with polkit-1 porting; that means, the old policykit-gnome stuff falls off the CD now \o/ [09:15] * seb128 takes gtkmm pangomm gnome-games gnome-control-center [09:15] for sponsoring [09:15] pitti, nice ;-) [09:15] pitti, help on sponsoring is welcome btw if you want to look at some of the GNOME 2.28 updates there too [09:16] seb128: right, on it [09:24] ok, done with restart for now I think [09:24] seb128: I'm taking some sponsorings, I assigned the bugs to me [09:25] pitti, ok, I took the one I said before and added comment to those [09:25] hey seb128 [09:25] hello chrisccoulson [09:25] that other gnome-session crasher is already fixed in the new tarball [09:26] chrisccoulson, how did you manage to go up this morning? ;-) [09:26] chrisccoulson, the gerror one? [09:26] yeah, the gerror one is fixed [09:26] i'm not sure how i managed to get up this morning - i get to work later and later every day! [09:26] i got in at 850 this morning [09:27] ok cool [09:27] didrocks: bug 419808 - dholbach asked about 0.22 [09:27] Launchpad bug 419808 in vte "Update to 0.21.5" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419808 [09:28] didrocks: is 0.22 the one with the ABI break? we want to avoid it? [09:28] seb128: did you discuss the vte abi break yesterday? [09:29] hey glatzor_ - if you are around, I would like to ask you some questions re aptdaemon, I got some stuff ready for merging but want your opinion first [09:29] pitti, not really since I don't know about the issue and didrocks wanted to check things [09:29] mvo, hey [09:30] hey seb128 [09:34] pitti: 0.22 has been released yesterday and I read on a GNOME ML there was an ABI breakage. But I didn't try to update it yet. I'll give some time on that tonight (but if daniel can still sponsor 0.21.5 in the meanwhile, it will enable updating gnome-terminal which needs it) [09:34] didrocks: right, understood [09:34] didrocks: there's also 0.21.7 and so on [09:35] but I'll upload .5 for now [09:35] the abi breakage is after 0.21.5? [09:35] they changed the soname? [09:35] is there any reason we don't want to do the update? [09:35] seb128: I didn't check, just read it on a ML [09:36] seb128: it's just an intermediate status until I can check it directly with nm :) [09:36] $ apt-cache rdepends libvte9|wc -l [09:36] 36 [09:36] doable, but needs some work [09:36] hum, let me spawn a VM and try to build it [09:57] seb128: taking gnome-python-desktop [10:03] and gir-repository and clutter-1.0 [10:03] * seb128 hugs pitti [10:04] the sync bugs are done, too; /me taps foot for the sponsor page to update [10:26] pitti - with your ubuntu-release hat on, would you mind giving a preliminary ACK to the glom FFE (bug 391664). I've got PPA packages available for it now, but i can't upload until i've got the rest of it's dependencies sorted out [10:26] Launchpad bug 391664 in glom "[FFe] Update glom to 1.11.2" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/391664 [10:28] chrisccoulson: good work! [10:29] heh, thanks Laney! it's still stalled on pygda though, which I'm currently working on [10:30] I would still like to get glom into debian [10:30] if only jsogo would unblock us on goocanvas [10:31] Laney - has anyone offered to do the work in debian then? [10:32] that's the reason I put goocanvasmm in there [10:32] but by the time it was accepted the world had moved on [10:38] pitti is on sponsoring fire today :) [10:38] MUHAHA === TheMuso` is now known as TheMuso === onestone__ is now known as onestone [10:51] pitti, seb128: ok. there is no more ABI breakage. I was frightened by this: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/sources/vte/0.21/vte-0.21.6.news which has been fixed then: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/sources/vte/0.21/vte-0.21.7.news [10:51] pitti: bug #434563 for new version so :) [10:51] Launchpad bug 434563 in vte "Update to 0.22.0" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434563 [10:52] didrocks: yay [10:52] didrocks: will sponsor, thanks [10:52] thanks :-) [11:18] hello everyone ! [12:10] mvo: is software store disabled from livecd? When I click on any section it goes to the section but nothing is displayed [12:23] davmor2: I think thats a bug, probably something with the livefs creation [12:24] mvo: okay I'll carry on with the install and see if it goes away :) [12:24] ok [12:25] pitti, is Cc-ing you one bugs enough when I want your opinion or do you prefer to be assigned? [12:32] seb128: I've noticed something weird with totem. With the youtube plugin it grabs the h.264 codec but when it plays there is no audio. I went into PA sound prefs to see if totem was muted or turned down and it isn't displayed in PA applications tab at all. However if I use the bbc plugin and select one of the podcasts totem then appears in PA applications tab and also I get audio as expected. What the hell is [12:32] re [12:32] seb128: subscribing me is enough [12:33] dunno about totem [12:34] pitti, ok thanks [12:56] there's not many updates for me to do when i get home later! [12:57] chrisccoulson, right, making you work on upgrades is a waste of talent anyway ;-) [12:57] heh, thanks ;) [13:12] pitti, could you just check https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/395591? [13:12] Launchpad bug 395591 in gdm "Installing GDM 2.26 doesn't update /etc/X11/default-display-manager" [Low,Triaged] [13:12] pitti, the gdm.config and gdm.template have been dropped by error right? [13:12] just making sure, that seems to make sense to add those again but a second opinion is welcome [13:13] see comment #6 [13:13] chrisccoulson, everybody else who want to fix bugs for karmic: https://edge.launchpad.net/~desktop-bugs/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=12698&field.milestone%3Alist=12715 [13:13] I started milestoning bugs [13:13] those are assigned to desktop-bugs and milestoned 9.10-beta or 9.10 [13:13] seb128: oops, indeed [13:13] just for information [13:13] pitti, ok, I'm fixing that now [13:13] I've some other gdm things I want to look at too [13:14] thanks seb128, i'll take a look at some of those [13:14] * seb128 kicks launchpad [13:14] is there a way to not list "ubuntu" and "ubuntu (karmic)" tasks [13:14] ie the same bug twice just because they have a karmic task [13:14] i'll take bug 420063 then [13:14] I don't know any [13:14] Launchpad bug 420063 in gdm "login screen has not suspend and hibernate buttons" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/420063 [13:14] chrisccoulson, feel free to assign the bug to yourself if you will work on it [13:15] thanks ;-) [13:15] yeah, i'll start working on that tonight [13:15] gosh, half of it is gdm [13:15] pitti, yes ... [13:15] it shouldn't be too difficult to do [13:15] but to be fair that's because I didn't review all packages yet to milestone things [13:16] seb128: thanks for putting that list together [13:16] np ;-) [13:16] the gnome-keyring-daemon issue is a tricky one. i tried to attach GDB to the daemon and then log out, but GDB hung for some reason [13:17] chrisccoulson, wait for upstream maybe for this one [13:17] the gnome-keyring upstream are usually responsive [13:17] not always very quick but they look regularly to issues [13:18] seb128 - yeah, i'll do that. but it would be nice to try and fix it too:) [13:18] chrisccoulson, can't fix everything [13:18] it would be nice to be able too ;) [13:18] it's good to know where things will not get worked and where we should look and where we can rely on others to look at the bug [13:19] righto ;-) [13:19] i can probably fix bug 413116 too, but i'll leave that until i've fixed the GDM one [13:19] Launchpad bug 413116 in gnome-media "sliding volume control up doesn't unmute volume" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/413116 [13:19] let's close some gdm bugs now [13:19] I need to look at the new pulseaudio behaviour [13:20] the settings which makes different controls to move together or something [13:20] and how changing volume in applications impact on the sliders [13:20] seems the karmic behaviour is confusing for quite some users [13:20] my audio use is basic though, I run rhythmbox and change volume for the music [13:20] ie I don't play with difference between pcm, master, other applications, etc [13:21] seb128 - from looking at the volume control in g-s-d (which is the same code as gnome-media), pulseaudio actually lets you mute and set the volume of a channel independently. it is the responsibility of gnome-media to explicitly unmute the channel when you set the volume above zero [13:21] ie, pulseaudio lets you set a volume >0 when the channel is still muted [13:21] which is a bit confusing [13:21] ie, 0 != mute === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [13:23] seb128 - yeah, my audio use is quite basic too [13:57] mvo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore?action=diff&rev2=200&rev1=199 [13:58] hi andreasn [13:58] hi mpt [14:02] did you talk with kwwii and dobey about the -symbolic addition already? [14:06] mpt: thanks, code for this is commited [14:09] pitti: Thanks for the polkit patch! [14:09] tedg: my pleasure [14:11] tedg: I turned it into a proper merge request now [14:12] pitti: Yes, I saw, I'm merging it in. [14:12] hah, I have my 3vil footprint in your code now :) [14:13] Heh, I'm trying to attach all the bug numbers to make the commit. :) [14:13] mvo, would you rather bug 433828 be specced for 1.0, or left for 2.0? [14:13] Launchpad bug 433828 in software-store "Focus the search field when program starts" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/433828 [14:14] That is one thing I really like about DVCS, much better credit to patch contributors. I always felt I was letting them down a little when committing their patches before. [14:15] Now they get credit in sites like Ohloh as they have revisions attached to their name. [14:15] tedg: I added a --fixes lp: to my commit; are they getting merged? (I never checked that) [14:16] pitti: The --fixes lists that branch on the bug, it doesn't change the status or put the --fixes on the new branch. [14:16] So usually I try to re-put it on the merge to make it easier for people looking at the bug to see it got merged. [14:16] so the bug references aren't maintained when merging branches? too bad [14:17] They are from the perspective of LP never deletes anything and you can look at a branch, see it has a merge request, and see that the merge request was merged in.... but yeah, it's not ideal. [14:18] tedg, hey [14:18] Morning seb128 [14:19] tedg, we always have credited contributors in changelog entries, commit messages, etc [14:19] seb128: Oh, yes. But things like Ohloh don't pick that up. It's hard to parse for a computer. [14:19] dunno what that website is ;-) [14:20] Heh, Fedora packaging is tracked there. They have graphs, Ubuntu doesn't, so I imagine the Fedora packagers do more work :) [14:21] well we can't do a lot against random website having a partial view and collecting datas they want [14:22] mpt: hm, what exactly needs to be done? implementing the arrow keys? or "on type earch, on arrow select category" ? [14:22] hum [14:23] anybody knowing what I need to do for launchpad to list my commits as coming from my user there? [14:23] they are from seb128 right now [14:23] and I can't click on those [14:23] mvo, for that bug, just (1) focusing the search field when the Store is launched and (2) making the Down key at the end of the search text focus the rest of the main pane always, not just when search results are being shown. [14:23] while other people seem to have their name correctly set ;-) [14:24] seb128: "bzr whoami" [14:24] mpt: I think that can be arranged, let me check. I check out the arrow keys in JS as well, just to learn about it [14:24] seb128: what tedg said, for a default value [14:24] tedg, hum ok, thanks [14:24] mvo, navigating the department buttons with the arrow keys is something someone like aquarius needs to fix. [14:24] seb128: but I also have some magic to have context-sensitive email addresses [14:24]