[09:33] <lool> njpatel: Hey
[09:33] <lool> njpatel: I noticed a serious issue this morning
[09:33] <lool> njpatel: netbook-launcher doesn't ship any gconf schemas
[09:34] <lool> njpatel: so a) are you aware of places where you do stuff like gconf_unset -- these would be broken and we could look at revisiting associated bugs
[09:34] <lool> njpatel: b) is is possible to use libnetbook-launcher without netbook-launcher installed?
[09:39] <tsoncul> lool: just out of curiosity, would a) cause gnome-panel to stick around after switching from Classic to Netbook mode?
[09:40] <lool> tsoncul: That's one of the bugs I'm looking at
[09:40] <lool> tsoncul: Perhaps not since the gnome-panel schema is properly installed
[09:40] <tsoncul> lool: OK, just wanted to tell that it's happening
[09:40] <tsoncul> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktop-switcher/+bug/434447
[09:41] <lool> tsoncul: AFAIK everything panel and gconf related should work fine
[09:43] <tsoncul> lool: Well, right now I can't go back to netbook-launcher mode. The panel isn't disabled, so the topmost part of the screen can't be seen
[09:43] <lool> tsoncul: Do you know paste.ubuntu.com?  Could you paste the output of gconftool-2 -R /apps/panel to it?
[09:44] <lool> There's a command which can help with it
[09:44] <tsoncul> sure
[09:44] <tsoncul> hold on
[09:44] <davmor2> lool: I'm having a mobile day today so KNE and UNR anything specific you'd like me to look at?
[09:44] <lool> tsoncul: http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/ubuntu-paste
[09:44] <lool> davmor2: yes, we added a bunch of new apps to UNR
[09:45] <davmor2> lool: no worries
[09:45] <lool> davmor2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/275733/
[09:45] <lool> davmor2: That would be the latest changes in the contents; would be nice to focus on whether these cause regressions and whether these work decently
[09:45] <lool> davmor2: I also added usb-creator
[09:46] <njpatel> lool: probably not, as it depends on some images that are part of the netbook-launcher package
[09:46] <lool> njpatel: So it's ok if I ship the gconf schema in netbook-launcher then; thanks
[09:46] <njpatel> yep
[09:46] <lool> njpatel: So it seems desktop-switcher will cause us trouble again
[09:46] <njpatel> lool: how come?
[09:46] <lool> njpatel: It has a copy of the default settings which we changed in unr-default-settings' packaging
[09:47] <lool> And desktop-switcher's values are out of date
[09:47] <tsoncul> lool: I have paste.ubuntu.com/275735
[09:47] <lool> Plus we're getting reports that it doesn't work properly
[09:47] <njpatel> lool: of course...we need to change that into a separate session :(
[09:48] <lool> tsoncul: Can you put a screenshot somewhere?  You have two panels or what's the issue exactly?
[09:48] <lool> njpatel: I dont think this will happen for karmic though
[09:48] <njpatel> right
[09:48] <tsoncul> lool: I'm taking a screenshot now
[09:48] <lool> njpatel: Not if I'm the one doing it at least -- I welcome the change but cant put the hours to implement it in time before beta or release
[09:49] <lool> njpatel: I think we're better off living with d-s this cycle and fixing the top issues and having a spec about dropping it next cycle
[09:49] <lool> And using separate sessions
[09:49] <njpatel> lool: that makes sense
[09:49] <lool> njpatel: I think for instance maximus continues to be running -- but not doing anything -- in classic mode
[09:50] <lool> njpatel: How shall we fix d-s this cycle?  do you folks have time to resync the d-s data files with the current Ubuntu Desktop Edition defaults and ubuntu-netbook-remix-default-settings defaults?
[09:51] <njpatel> lool: yes, is there a bug for that
[09:51] <njpatel> ?
[09:51] <lool> There are a couple of symptom bugs
[09:51] <lool> But not one describing that
[09:51] <lool> I can file one now
[09:51] <tsoncul> lool: the screenshot you asked for is at LP:#434447
[09:52] <lool> njpatel: TBH I feel it's more of a packager's job but some configs are in the d-s code or in data files in the tarball; also I'm a bit out of time on UNR this cycle
[09:52] <njpatel> lool: can you milestone those bugs for beta freeze, so I remember them (i've added this to my todo anyway)
[09:52] <lool> njpatel: Yes
[09:52] <njpatel> thanks
[09:54] <lool> 434530
[09:57] <lool> tsoncul: Can you open a terminal and run some commands for me?
[09:58] <tsoncul> sure
[09:58] <lool> tsoncul: Do you mind wiping your panel config?
[09:58] <tsoncul> not at all
[09:58] <lool> gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel
[09:58] <lool> gconftool-2 --load /usr/share/desktop-switcher/netbook-panel-config.xml
[09:58] <lool> Not sure about that last path
[09:59] <lool> Yeah it's correct
[09:59] <tsoncul> yeah
[09:59] <tsoncul> I could tab-complete it
[09:59] <lool> tsoncul: killall gnome-panel
[09:59] <lool> tsoncul: Does that help?
[10:00] <tsoncul> lool: no, gnome-panel respawned
[10:00] <lool> tsoncul: Still with the classic settings?
[10:00] <tsoncul> it's supposed to be netbook now
[10:00] <lool> yes
[10:00] <tsoncul> it's not exactly classic settings
[10:01] <lool> screenshot?
[10:01] <tsoncul> the panel is there, but the date, shutdown button, etc are not there
[10:01] <lool> Ok
[10:01] <lool> tsoncul: That is known
[10:01] <tsoncul> and the netbook interface is running where the desktop would be
[10:01] <tsoncul> as per the screenshot.
[10:01] <lool> tsoncul: Oh sorry you want to switch to classic desktop
[10:02] <lool> or to netbook mode?
[10:02] <tsoncul> netbook
[10:02] <tsoncul> I can do classic
[10:02] <lool> So the netbook interface being running is fine
[10:02] <tsoncul> I do have to restart, though
[10:02] <tsoncul> hold on
[10:02] <lool> The lack of buttons might be fixable too
[10:02] <lool> run gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel again
[10:02] <lool> and killall gnome-panel again
[10:02] <tsoncul> hold on, I don't think we're on the same page
[10:02] <lool> tsoncul: What's your goal?
[10:03] <tsoncul> lool: to go from the classic mode (which works perfectly) to the netbook mode
[10:03] <tsoncul> lool: when I do that, (desktop-switcher applet) the cluster-interface appears
[10:04] <tsoncul> however, the panels don't go away.
[10:04] <lool> tsoncul: Did you install this system from an UNR image?
[10:04] <tsoncul> yes
[10:04] <tsoncul> karmic-lpha6
[10:04] <lool> karmic or jaunty?
[10:04] <lool> ok
[10:04] <lool> tsoncul: So gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel
[10:05] <lool> killall gnome-panel
[10:05] <lool> if that doesn't help I have an idea for something a bit more stable
[10:05] <tsoncul> that partially helps, the functionality is there, but the theme isn't correct
[10:06] <tsoncul> the dark grey theme (I don't know the new name) isn't here
[10:07] <lool> tsoncul: Ok that's easy
[10:07] <tsoncul> just change the theme?
[10:07] <lool> /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_theme Dust
[10:08] <lool> tsoncul: gconftool-2 -s -t string /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_theme Dust
[10:08] <tsoncul> again OK, but now the new monochrome taskbar icons have gone away
[10:09] <tsoncul> btw, feel free to stop helping me any time, I don't mind any of these errors
[10:09] <lool> tsoncul: gconftool-2 -s -t string /desktop/gnome/interface/icon_theme Humanity
[10:09] <tsoncul> just want to let you guys know what's broken, though
[10:09] <lool> tsoncul: I'd love if you could include this conversation on the bug report
[10:09] <tsoncul> sure
[10:09] <lool> tsoncul: Well I think the issue is that the .xml file doesn't exactly overwrite the default gnome-panel settings
[10:09] <lool> I dont think it can really work the way we're doing it
[10:11] <tsoncul> OK
[10:11] <tsoncul> is LP:#434530 a broader-scope version of this?
[10:12] <tsoncul> I can mark LP:#434447 as a duplicate of that if it's going to help you put things together
[10:12] <lool> tsoncul: Well we dont know for sure
[10:12] <lool> tsoncul: Until LP:#434530 is fixed, you'll see strange things when switching desktops
[10:13] <lool> But in general I dont think the approach is robust
[10:13] <lool> Sadly we cant really fix this for karmic
[10:13] <lool> Instead I think we want desktop-switcher to flip the name of the session you want to run and require a logout or reboot
[10:14] <tsoncul> That'll probably help keep the settings that are changed to stay changed between flips
[10:14] <tsoncul> If I understood you correctly
[10:14] <lool> Yes; currently we have a special logic for that but I dont see how it can work sanely
[10:15] <tsoncul> Well..
[10:16] <tsoncul> I'm not going to bore you too much, but I really didn't understand the logic behind the code (that I pulled from launchpad)
[10:16] <tsoncul> I seemed to me that to go TO classic mode, we ENABLE netbook-launcher
[10:17] <tsoncul> I'm not proficient with GNOME, so I really couldn't understand the code itself though
[10:17] <lool> tsoncul: Which logic are you looking at?
[10:17] <tsoncul> lool: let me dig it out
[10:18] <lool> enable_netbook() and enable_classic() do the things you expect in src/main.c in desktop-switcher's source
[10:19] <lool>     else if (strcmp (switch_to, "classic") == 0)
[10:19] <lool>       if (!in_classic)
[10:19] <lool>         current_mode = NETBOOK_MODE;
[10:19] <lool>         selected_mode = CLASSIC_MODE;
[10:19] <lool>         enable_classic ();
[10:19] <lool> that looks good
[10:19] <tsoncul> That looks good, yes.
[10:20] <tsoncul> in enable_notebook (void)
[10:20] <tsoncul> line 341-342:
[10:20] <tsoncul>   delete_launcher_autostart_file (LAUNCHER_DESKTOP);
[10:20] <tsoncul>   delete_launcher_autostart_file (OLD_LAUNCHER_DESKTOP);
[10:20] <tsoncul> worried me
[10:20] <tsoncul> or am I completely off the ball?
[10:21] <lool> tsoncul: That removes a file in .config/autostart/netbook-launcher.desktop
[10:21] <lool> tsoncul: By default, launcher will autostart
[10:21] <lool> Unless you have such a file which says not to
[10:21] <lool> So removing it when switching to netbook mode will cause it to staqrt
[10:22] <tsoncul> aha
[10:22] <tsoncul> makes much more sense now.
[10:23] <tsoncul> yeah, thans.
[10:23] <tsoncul> Sorry I can't be of much help with this
[10:24] <lool> It's already excellent that you're on IRC and we can debug this live
[10:24] <tsoncul> My understanding of GNOME and its friends goes only so far
[10:24] <tsoncul> heh
[10:25] <tsoncul> I got bit by the "I gotta help 9.10 be good enough not to crash my computer this time" bug
[10:26] <lool> that bad!
[10:26] <tsoncul> It took me a while to get my eeePC700 in shape when I put 9.04 on it 4 months ago
[10:27] <tsoncul> I must say though, Karmic really looks in shape (at least for me)
[10:33] <lool> I have a 701SD and it's not really fit for running UNR
[10:33] <lool> the screen is too small/the UI is too large
[10:34] <tsoncul> Is it a 7''?
[10:37] <tsoncul> Yeah, the 8.9' screen is barely enough
[12:00] <eggonlea> hi guys, I met the rootstock bug #431917 and question 83414 as well. it seems that these two bugs haven't any update on LP.
[12:01] <eggonlea> do you guys have any suggestion to create a fresh Karmic rootfs from scratch?
[12:02] <eggonlea> I have to do this because when apt-get update/upgrade, the old Karmic rootfs would encounter some libc GLIBC_PRIVATE symbol missing error.
[12:03] <eggonlea> Lots of packages complain that and the rootfs fails to work after the imcomplete upgrade.
[12:04] <eggonlea> I'm trying to re-generate a fresh Karmic rootfs as before, but this time it fails because of the bug above.
[12:05] <lool> eggonlea: Ping ogra
[12:05] <lool> eggonlea: You might want to use #ubutnu-arm though
[12:05] <lool> *#ubuntu-arm
[12:05] <eggonlea> i see
[12:06] <eggonlea> thanks, I'm leaving for there
[13:47] <media_savvy> hello all, 
[13:48] <media_savvy> iam running ubuntu MID on Intel atom with GMA 500 
[13:48] <media_savvy> looks really nice , 
[13:49] <media_savvy> has anyone tied the nbtk toolkit on it ?
[13:49] <media_savvy> from here, http://moblin.org/projects/netbook-toolkit-nbtk
[13:49] <media_savvy> tied = tried
[13:50] <media_savvy> iam not able to run the examples. though clutter runs very well 
[13:50] <media_savvy> if anyone has been successful, please let me know 
[15:03] <face2faceonlinux> hello all 
[15:04] <face2faceonlinux> where can i find the getting started docs for ubuntu MID APP development 
[15:04] <face2faceonlinux> iam new to ubuntu mid 
[15:04] <face2faceonlinux> any pointers would be helpful
[15:10] <lool> njpatel: UX team updated software-store bug
[15:19] <njpatel> lool: cool, will check it out