[07:12] <ara> good morning all :)
[07:22] <ara> morning tuna
[07:22] <tuna> morning
[07:26] <tsoncul> morning ava
[07:26] <tsoncul> tuna was actually me, trying to test something
[07:26] <tsoncul> sorry about that.
[07:26] <ara> tsoncul, no worries :)
[07:27] <tsoncul> A question: are you aware of anyone reporting troubles with the netbook desktop switching on karmic-alpha6?
[07:28] <ara> tsoncul, not that I'm aware of
[07:28] <ara> tsoncul, are you having troubles?
[07:28] <tsoncul> ava: yes.
[07:29] <tsoncul> ava: desktop-switcher doesn't disable gnome-panel when going back to netbook mode
[07:29] <ara> tsoncul, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktop-switcher/+bug/434447
[07:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 434447 in desktop-switcher "Desktop switcher won't disable gnome-panel when changing from classic to netbook mode" [Undecided,New]
[07:30] <tsoncul> ava: and since gnome-panel respawns the moment I kill it, I can't use netbook*launcher anymore
[07:30] <ara> tsoncul, and my name is ara, not ava ;-)
[07:30] <tsoncul> ara: oh yeah..
[07:30] <ara> tsoncul, better https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktop-switcher/+bug/430158
[07:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 430158 in desktop-switcher "desktop-switcher doesn't disable maximus when switching to desktop mode" [Undecided,New]
[07:30] <tsoncul> ara: ava is actually the nick of a friend of mine... sorry..
[07:30] <ara> tsoncul, that one is a better one
[07:30] <tsoncul> ara: 434447 is my reporting, bt
[07:30] <tsoncul> -w
[07:31] <ara> tsoncul, then it is duplicated ;-)
[07:31] <ara> I will put it as duplicate
[07:31] <tsoncul> ara: hmm..
[07:31] <tsoncul> ara: it happens the other way, though
[07:32] <tsoncul> ara: the bug happens when we're going from the desktop mode, not to it.
[07:32] <ara> tsoncul, sure
[07:34] <tsoncul> ara: if you have the time, can you check if 434447 is missing info for triage?
[07:35] <ara> tsoncul, could you do from a terminal window apport-collect 434447
[07:35] <ara> please
[07:35] <tsoncul> ara: sure
[07:38] <tsoncul> ara: done. It's up on launchpad
[07:38] <ara> tsoncul, cool, i will try to escalate the problem to the mobile team
[07:38] <tsoncul> ara: thanks.
[07:40] <tsoncul> ara: I'll be around both here and in #ubuntu-mobile if you need anything else, for another hour or so.
[07:40] <ara> tsoncul, ok, thanks!
[07:41] <ara> tsoncul, btw, are you a regular user of ubuntu netbook remix?
[07:41] <tsoncul> ara: yes
[07:41] <tsoncul> ara: I just got karmic though.
[07:42] <ara> tsoncul, did you read my post about the ISO tracker?
[07:42] <tsoncul> ara: no, can you point me t it?
[07:42] <ara> tsoncul, http://ubuntutesting.wordpress.com/2009/09/21/old-friend-iso-testing-tracker/
[07:42] <ara> tsoncul, maybe you could help us testing the milestone images of netbook remix (and others, if you'd like)
[07:42] <ara> tsoncul, it is a nice way to help ubuntu
[07:43] <tsoncul> ara: sure
[07:43] <tsoncul> ara: are we talking about daily builds or such?
[07:43] <tsoncul> ara: (and I'm reading the article as I speak now...)
[07:43] <ara> tsoncul, well, yes and no, the ISO tracker is used only to test the milestones
[07:44] <ara> like alpha-n, beta, release candidates, etc
[07:44] <ara> it is there where we really need help
[07:44] <ara> so, next week, i.e. we will be testing the candidates for beta
[07:45] <tsoncul> oh
[07:45] <tsoncul> so RCs for the beta, to make sure people can at least install the beta
[07:45] <tsoncul> something like that?
[07:45] <ara> yes
[07:46] <ara> next Thursday is the beta, so from next Monday we will be waiting for images to be "candidates" for beta
[07:46] <ara> if something really big is found, then is fixed, we rebuild the images, and test again
[07:46] <tsoncul> OK.
[07:46] <ara> to try to deliver something useful on Thurday
[07:46] <tsoncul> I'll do that
[07:47] <ara> great! we will be around this channel chatting about the testing and how it goes
[07:47] <ara> feel free to come around
[07:47] <tsoncul> let me finish reading the blogpost, I'll ask questions in a moment..
[07:47] <ara> tsoncul,
[07:47] <ara> tsoncul, sure
[07:48] <tsoncul> so qa.ubuntu.com isn't on openID?
[07:49] <ara> tsoncul, I am afraid not yet
[07:50] <tsoncul> ara: is it normal to have a lag between signing up to qa.ubuntu and account activation?
[07:51] <ara> tsoncul, no, that I remember, no
[07:51] <tsoncul> ara: nevermind
[07:51] <tsoncul> ara: just got the e-mail
[07:51] <ara> tsoncul, :)
[07:53] <tsoncul> ara: OK, count me in.
[07:53] <ara> tsoncul, cool :)
[07:54] <tsoncul> ara: I'll check in on Monday for the Beta's ISO testing
[07:55] <ara> tsoncul, OK, if it is not there on Monday, then Tuesday, then... :D
[07:57] <tsoncul> ara: :)
[08:13] <ara> jcollado, buenos días
[08:14] <jcollado> buenos días ara
[09:22] <davmor2> Morning All
[09:25] <ara> morning davmor2
[11:44] <tsoncul> Was there an update in the lastfew hours or so that removed Services from System/Administration?
[11:49] <davmor2> tsoncul: might be mid upload when you upgraded
[11:50] <davmor2> tsoncul: a lot of the gnome 2.28 stuff is starting to make it's way in.
[11:52] <tsoncul> davmor2: possible. The launcher for that was broken after an update, and it disappeared after a reboot. I was just wondering if that was intentional.
[11:53] <davmor2> tsoncul: not that I know to give me a minute though I'm going to fire up some tests on todays daily
[12:08] <davmor2> tsoncul: it's on today's iso and works so I'm assuming it might be a broken config issue.  Have you tried running services-admin
[12:09] <tsoncul> davmor2: no, I'll do that now..
[12:10] <tsoncul> davmor2: hmm.. services-admin is not installed, it says
[12:11] <tsoncul> installing noe
[12:11] <tsoncul> now*
[12:11] <tsoncul> davmor2: OK, this is a little weird:
[12:12] <davmor2> what's that?
[12:12] <tsoncul> apt-get says gnome-system-tools is the newest available
[12:12] <tsoncul> yet, services-admin is not installed and may found by installing gnome-system-admin
[12:13] <davmor2> tsoncul: yes in that case give it a couple of hours and do another dist-upgrade and see if it gets pulled in then
[12:14] <tsoncul> davmor2: OK
[12:14] <tsoncul> davmor2: if it'S still broken, which package should I report against, gnome-system-tools?
[12:15] <davmor2> gnome-system-tools is just a meta you're best off reporting it against services-admin as that is the package not installed
[12:16] <tsoncul> ok
[13:36] <fader_> Morning all
[13:45] <ara> morning fader_ :)
[13:59] <davmor2> fader_: Morning Dude
[14:16] <davmor2> fader_: hows automated today?
[14:16] <fader_> davmor2: A little sickly... I was going to let cr3 grab a coffee before I started complaining :)
[14:17] <davmor2> fader_: No cr3 works better when he is desperate for the coffee ;)
[14:17] <fader_> But since you brought it up... cr3: it looks like the satellites haven't scraped cdimage.u.c lately :/
[14:17] <fader_> davmor2: Heh :)
[14:17] <davmor2> fader_: Wonder :(
[14:18] <davmor2> fader_: I was going to ask if you ran oem as a regular install process being as it would be the most common install for most of the machines ;)
[14:19]  * davmor2 runs and ducks behind the couch knowing that oem is broken hideously
[14:19] <fader_> davmor2: :P
[14:19] <fader_> davmor2: Sadly we don't currently have an automated way to test oem
[14:20] <fader_> That's probably a karmic+1 issue
[14:20] <davmor2> fader_: ah so down to me to tell the nice chaps that the install is completely borked then ;)
[14:21] <fader_> davmor2: Yep :/  Actually for breakage in any install it's still best for a human to go through it
[14:21] <fader_> Even though we install automatically we won't necessarily catch everything
[14:21] <cr3> fader_: ... yet :)
[14:21] <fader_> And it's difficult to see errors in the install without changing the state of the installer... a heisenburg thing
[14:21] <fader_> cr3: Well, yes... but also karmic+1, no? :)
[14:22] <cr3> fader_: yes
[14:22] <fader_> cr3: Don't let davmor2 know that he can be replaced by a 5-line shell script!  ;)
[14:22] <davmor2> no because the automated install process itself is different to a manual install :)  Yay I got it :)
[14:23] <davmor2> fader_: No!!!!!!! no bot can be this sarcastic it would just explode trying
[14:25] <fader_> We could have it google for dirty words and just copy in whole sentences!  "Today's images are $profanity_string!"
[14:25] <cr3> davmor2: don't worry. at best, I can only automate the boring things and try to make your life more enjoyable
[14:26] <davmor2> fader_: no, you forgot the "fader_: Morning dude, by the way todays iso are $profanity_string!"
[14:26] <fader_> Hehehe
[14:27] <davmor2> fader_: the 1 I'm waiting for is the day I give you a heart attack with the news they work fine ;)
[14:28] <fader_> davmor2: Nah, you'd be too busy clutching your own chest to type :P
[14:29] <davmor2> fader_: And people don't think we take our jobs seriously ;)
[14:38] <davmor2> goes for a wubi install wish me luck
[14:39] <ara> davmor2, good luck!
[14:57] <davmor2> Meh 2 memtest and nothing else :(
[14:59] <tarzeau> using memtester?
[15:19] <jtatum> greetings :)
[15:24] <davmor2> Hello
[15:35] <ara> jtatum, hey! how is it going
[15:44] <jtatum> ara: going awesome! :) how's stuff with you?
[15:45] <ara> jtatum, good, thanks :)
[16:10] <fader_> ara: Out of curiosity, are you targeting mago at karmic or jaunty right now?
[16:10] <ara> fader_, karmic
[16:11] <ara> fader_, in fact, right now I was running them against karmic and fixing those broken
[16:11] <fader_> ara: Okay, thanks.  I noticed a few mago test failures in our last batch, so it's good to know that they *should* have worked :)  I think that cr3 and jcollado are still integrating things though
[16:11] <fader_> ara: Excellent... I will look forward to new 'pass' results :)
[16:12] <ara> fader_, I didn't know jcollado was also integrating things with cr3
[16:12] <fader_> In the future should I let you know when I see these?  I don't think it makes sense to file a bug without someone re-testing
[16:12] <fader_> ara: Maybe this was just for ltp then...
[16:12] <fader_> ara: I know they were working together but I wasn't involved so I could have the details wrong
[16:14] <ara> fader_, ok, don't worry
[16:14] <davmor2> So guys oem is broken, Wubi is broken, install side by side is errmmm what's the word oh yeah broken :(
[16:14] <fader_> ara: Don't worry about mago test failures or about what other people are doing? :)
[16:14] <fader_> davmor2: See, that could have been scripted ;)
[16:15] <ara> fader_, don't worry about not being able to answer my question about cr3 and jcollado business
[16:15] <davmor2> fader_: but not with the added sarcasm ;)  You know it would be a script, it just wouldn't feel the same and you know it :)
[16:15] <fader_> ara: Okay :)
[16:16] <fader_> davmor2: Nah, scripts abuse me all the time :P
[16:16] <davmor2> only the ones you right ;)
[16:17] <fader_> ara: If you do want me to tell you when I see mago test failures in the automated tests, let me know.  I can ping you by email/IRC, file a bug, whatever you like.
[16:17] <ara> fader_, great! pinging on irc would be nice :)
[16:19] <fader_> ara: Will do.  That is probably best as I won't know if it's a mago bug or an application bug until someone tries it :)
[16:20] <ara> fader_, thanks!
[16:20] <fader_> ara: No problem!
[16:37] <ara> cr3, hey marc, are you around?
[16:44] <cr3> ara: hi there, what's up?
[16:44] <cr3> ara: I needed to get in touch with you, I'm getting a few errors with mago. update manager and some notification test is failing
[16:44] <ara> cr3, I would like to know how do you run mago tests from checkbox (where do you get the mago tests, i.e.)
[16:45] <ara> cr3, that's why I was approaching you :)
[16:45] <ara> cr3, in order to fix them, I need to know how you run them :)
[16:46] <cr3> ara: bzr branch lp:~hardware-certification/checkbox-certification/trunk checkbox-certification; cd checkbox-certification; ./scripts/mago_suite
[16:46] <cr3> ara: it should be pretty straightforward, you don't even need to run checkbox
[16:47] <ara> cr3, OK, I will work tomorrow on it, I will let you know when fixed
[16:48] <jtatum> jcollado: ping :) got a sec to talk about the merge proposal?
[16:48] <cr3> ara: can you confirm that the update manager test is working well for you on karmic?
[16:48] <jtatum> fwiw, cr3, neither the update-manager tests nor the osd tests work for me in karmic
[16:49] <cr3> jtatum: thanks for the confirmation
[16:49] <jtatum> and pidgin fails on vanilla installs since it's not there
[16:49] <jcollado> jtatum: Sure
[16:49] <mvo> has that something to do with update-manager? or with the tests?
[16:49] <cr3> ara: ^^^
[16:50] <ara> cr3, I will have a look tomorrow, I will let you guys know
[16:50] <ara> mvo, probably with the tests themselves, so don't worry too much
[16:50] <cr3> ara: if you could also have a look at the Internet suite on karmic, I'd appreciate
[16:51] <cr3> ara: for your reference, here are the failures I had yesterday: https://certification.canonical.com/submission/ogJqFZpXOBUbyUY/results?form.status=fail
[16:51] <cr3> ara: note that some of the failures aren't necessarily related to mago, but you should be able to identify the suites easily
[16:51] <cr3> ara: also note that I don't have the <message> content, so I fixed my integration to contain that information now
[16:52] <jtatum> jcollado: I agree with you about the test case order in gcalctool_views.xml. I didn't think about that and will update the test.
[16:52] <ara> cr3, OK, thanks a lot
[16:52] <mvo> thanks ara
[16:53] <jcollado> jtatum: Great! The test cases are already right, but I though that could make them a little better.
[16:53] <jtatum> jcollado: as far as calculations, though, it was a conscious decision not to clear the calculator prior to input. clear is done once during suite setup. I figure if the equals sign doesn't work as it should, we should see failed tests to indicate that.
[16:56] <jcollado> jtatum: If the equal sign doesn't work for a test case, then the failed test case should be that one, but that shouldn't affect the following ones.
[16:56] <jcollado> jtatum:  Anyway the case I saw in which that happened the LDTP or AT-SPI registry wasn't working correctly so no test cases would have passed anyway.
[16:57] <jcollado> jtatum: So if you want to keep the tests as they are it's ok.
[16:57] <jcollado> jtatum: I just wanted to point out that failure possibility.
[16:58] <jtatum> jcollado: technically you're right, but it would be a lot of overhead to test the equals sign within each test, at least the way I think it would have to be tested. as we test more complicated things, failures are going to start cascading through tests I imagine.
[17:01] <jcollado> jtatum: No problem then. As it was discussed in the mail list, first priority is to increase coverage. We'll have time to be picky in the future.
[17:01] <jtatum> jcollado: makes sense :) thanks for your time :)
[17:02] <jcollado> jtatum: Welcome
[18:21] <nagappan> cr3, in VMware during our testing, we are unable to install Ubuntu 9.10 alpha 4, 5, 6 on DELL 3400, when the X coming up during installation, it just hangs, is this a known issue or is there a way, I can do text mode installation ?
[18:22] <nagappan> cr3, also we noticed that there is no xorg.con in /etc/X11, is this changed in Ubuntu 9.10 ?
[18:34] <cr3> nagappan: I haven't encountered that problem myself, but I don't have a Dell 3400 where mileage might vary depending on SKU. more importantly, what's the graphics controller on the machine?
[18:34] <cr3> nagappan: yep, there's no xorg.conf under /etc/X11 anymore
[18:46] <nagappan> cr3, ok, the graphics card is NVidia
[18:55] <cr3> nagappan: just to make sure I understand: 1. if you try to install from the desktop image, you can't install because the graphical interface just hangs; 2. if you try to install from the alternate image, the installation succeeds and the system boots properly into the graphical interface. right?
[19:02] <nagappan> cr3, Ubuntu 8.04 / 8.10 / 9.04 are working fine, we are selecting to install from the initial install option in grub (I think its grub menu, correct me if I'm wrong)
[19:04] <cr3> nagappan: can you confirm that my point #2 is correct
[19:04] <nagappan> cr3, alternate image ?
[19:04] <nagappan> cr3, I don't get this
[19:05] <cr3> nagappan: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[19:05] <cr3> what you call "text mode installation", I suspect. however, I would like to make sure we are talking about the same thing
[19:06] <nagappan> cr3, I tried using Clonezilla image, took Ubuntu 9.10 image from custom hardware and deployed on DELL3400 and the image was successfully restored, but while booting, when it goes to X, it just hangs, keyboard, mouse. Hard reset is the only option
[19:07] <nagappan> cr3, text mode means, instead of X based installation, I think I have used something like that on SUSE long back, thought something like that will be there on Ubuntu
[19:07] <nagappan> ncurses I think
[19:07] <nagappan> instead of X mode installation UI
[19:08] <cr3> nagappan: can you try installing from one of the alternate images available at the above URL and let me know if you get the same problem when rebooting after the installation?
[19:09] <nagappan> cr3, when we try with alpha image, we are not even taken to the installation screen, once it goes to X, the complete system hangs
[19:09] <nagappan> cr3, let me explain once again :)
[19:10] <nagappan> cr3, I tried 2 ways, 1. Installing using Alpha 6 image 2. Deploy using Clonezilla - www.clonezilla.org
[19:10] <nagappan> cr3, took the image from another system and tried deploying
[19:11] <nagappan> cr3, in both the cases, when X comes up, the system hangs. Difference is in # 1, the CD image based X was hanging, in # 2, the cloned image X was hanging
[19:11] <cr3> nagappan: point me to the URL of the image you tried
[19:11] <nagappan> cr3, hope this info is clear :)
[19:12] <nagappan> cr3, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-6/karmic-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:12] <cr3> nagappan: also, please provide more details about the nvidia graphics controller you're using. I have plenty of systems running with nvidia and there's no problem, so the problem is not with all nvidia controllers
[19:12] <nagappan> cr3, ok
[19:12] <nagappan> cr3, let me check
[19:13] <cr3> nagappan: vendor_id:product_id and subvendor_id:subproduct_id would be nice, as returned by lspci -vvnn
[19:19] <nagappan> cr3, http://pastebin.com/d8c4e084
[19:19] <nagappan> cr3, http://pastebin.com/d4a3105ac
[19:19] <nagappan> cr3, we tried on safe graphics mode as well during installation, that doesn't help
[19:20] <nagappan> cr3, also OEM option
[19:20]  * nagappan getting the info asked by cr3 
[19:21] <cr3> nagappan: sorry dude, I do not see where you provided the information requested
[19:22] <nagappan> cr3, http://pastebin.com/d1a8c7b1f
[19:22] <cr3> nagappan: yay, thank you
[19:23] <nagappan> cr3, this is not my box, so I have to run to other office to get the info :)
[19:23] <nagappan> cr3, I'm happily running Ubuntu 9.04 :)
[19:24] <nagappan> cr3, BTW, this info from Ubuntu 9.04 on the same machine, where we failed to install Ubuntu 9.10
[19:24] <nagappan> cr3, we have installed Ubuntu 9.04 on this hardware using safe graphics mode
[19:27] <cr3> nagappan: I just looked in our database and there's no sign of that particular model of graphics controller
[19:27] <nagappan> cr3, ok
[19:27] <cr3> nagappan: the closest I see is a Quadro NVS 130M, one moment
[19:28] <nagappan> cr3, ok
[19:29] <cr3> nagappan: it happens to be a laptop though and I recall it working properly, no luck :(
[19:30] <nagappan> cr3, ah ! ok
[19:30] <cr3> nagappan: could you report a bug in launchpad about it and subscribe me to it?
[19:30] <nagappan> cr3, sure
[19:32] <cr3> nagappan: since you happen to have 9.04 working on it, I might suggest you run the command: ubuntu-bug xorg
[19:32] <cr3> nagappan: this will gather all the necessary information, such as the lspci -vvnn information that I already requested, so that you don't have to do all that work again manually
[19:32] <nagappan> cr3, sure
[19:33] <cr3> nagappan: you can then modify the bug information to reflect the problem you're having installing Karmic, of course
[19:33] <nagappan> cr3, sure
[19:33] <cr3> but at least you'll have all the necessary information so that the xorg folks can troubleshoot
[19:33] <nagappan> cr3, ok
[19:33]  * nagappan heading to the test machine
[19:33] <cr3> nagappan: thanks, sorry I couldn't be of much help, there's only so much hardware we have on hand to reproduce such problems :(
[19:34] <nagappan> cr3, np :) thanks for your time
[19:38] <nagappan> cr3, I get "Could not upload data to crash database"
[19:38] <nagappan> cr3, "<urlopen error timed out>"
[19:38] <nagappan> cr3, I have proxy settings for system wide
[19:38] <nagappan> cr3, anything else, I have to do ?
[19:42] <cr3> nagappan: hm, the lack of support for proxy configurations in apport has annoyed me for a while :(
[19:42] <nagappan> cr3, :)
[19:43] <cr3> nagappan: do you happen to have another machine which is not behind the proxy?
[19:43] <cr3> I suspect there might be a way to gather information using apport and then report from another machine, not sure though
[19:45] <nagappan> cr3, all the machines in VMware are connected through proxy, unless we use laptop
[19:48] <cr3> nagappan: instead of ubuntu-bug, try: apport-cli -p xorg
[19:49] <nagappan> cr3, sure
[19:49] <cr3> nagappan: you will be prompted: K: Keep report file for sending later or copying to somewhere else
[19:49] <nagappan> cr3, sure
[19:49] <cr3> nagappan: you could then report to launchpad from a laptop
[19:50] <nagappan> cr3, perfect
[19:50]  * nagappan doing now
[19:50] <cr3> nagappan: thanks, it will be really sweet to support the graphics controller on the dell 3400, especially considering it's a desktop
[19:56] <nagappan> cr3, :)
[19:56] <nagappan> cr3, I have to use -f option to apport-cli
[19:57] <nagappan> cr3, but when I do K after that (when prompted), I get
[19:57] <nagappan> cr3, "Problem report file: None"
[19:57] <nagappan> cr3, when I try view it on the screen it works fine, but since its 266KB, I don't want to scroll them and copy
[19:58] <nagappan> cr3, any other way
[20:01]  * nagappan stepping out, will be back in an hour