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a|wenneversfelde: ask away while i'm here :) ... though atm i'm all to busy with other stuff; so i'm less around than i would like to00:00
a|wengah, i'm totally failing at googling ... how hard can it be to find any .bin cd image; no matter what it contains00:02
neversfeldeyay, Kubuntu community is really great. Every question I have is answered within seconds, but I need more infos about tha tasks a MOTU has and I would really like to be better in bug triaging, Launchpad is really not self-explanatory00:05
a|wen:)00:14
a|wenit takes a little time getting good friends with LP00:15
neversfeldehehe00:15
neversfeldeyes00:15
neversfeldewe might have a problem with amarok and ipods. It is recognized and shown, but you cannot copy any song to it00:18
neversfeldeNightrose: is that a known problem?00:18
Nightroseneversfelde: sorry - no idea - nad day - can't think straight00:20
Nightrose*bad00:20
neversfeldemhh, I'll have another test with the rc00:21
neversfeldeand probably file a bug report then00:21
neversfeldeand hope your day will get better :)00:22
Nightrosenot much hope :( but thanks00:22
* Nightrose goes to bed00:22
neversfeldegn800:22
a|wennn neversfelde00:29
* a|wen runs for bed as well ... need to get up early tomorrow00:29
neversfelden8 a|wen00:30
nixternalNightrose: one module complete, one more to go...phew this is a lot of tedious work04:29
rgreeningScottK: is it possible to download Alpha5? or one of the dailies prior to Alpha6? Im trying to track down an Acer specific bug...04:33
ScottKrgreening: I think so.  Look at the release announcement for a like to the ISO for Alpha 5.04:33
ScottKDailies, I'm pretty sure, get purged regularly.04:33
rgreeninghttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/karmic/alpha-5 doesn't exist...04:33
ScottKHmmm04:34
ScottKI guess hunt for stale mirrors.04:35
rgreeningdamn04:35
rgreeningI go tthis Acer bug with USB (I think it's either kernel acer-wmi or HAL/DBUS at fault04:36
rgreeningbut I have no way to track04:36
ScottKLP has previous package revisions.04:37
rgreeningScottK: I dont know which packages, only that it worked 2-3 days prior to Alpha 604:38
ScottKI'd start with an older kernel, myself.04:39
rgreeninghmm. I don't recall if kernel had changed in that time, but maybe....04:39
nixternalrgreening: you might find alpha5 isos via torrent04:50
ScottK\o/ amarok built on armel.04:51
rgreeningScottK: I can't seem to find an older kernel ( circa Sept 10-14th )04:53
ScottKOK. Not sure then.04:53
* ScottK heads to bed.04:54
Nightrosenixternal: thanks for doing it07:27
nixternalit has made me realize just how horrible Office Suites are for doing anything that is supposed to look good07:35
nixternalit has made me hate openoffice.org even more as well07:36
nixternalwhich I didn't think was possible07:36
glickexcuse me, is anyone here familier with MPC and or CMAKE?07:41
jussi01glick: best to just ask your question and see.07:42
glickon my top level directory i have a CmakeLists.txt file, and then i have a folder that makes libraries, in that CmakeLists.txt file do I need another PROJECT() command?07:47
jussi01glick: TBH, I dont know the answer, but its kind of quiet here usually fgor about another hour or 2.07:48
glickgod MPC is such a piece of crap, and figuring out how it works is giving me brain hemorage07:49
dany_21a_hello, is someone here who maintains kubuntu-ppa? Would be great if someone could backport this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eric/+bug/38070108:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 380701 in eric "Eric IDE fails to launch, cannot import Qsci" [Undecided,Fix released]08:38
dany_21a_And how is this with paperKuts? how can i specifiy papercuts for kubuntu?08:40
jussi01dany_21a_: see /topic :)08:44
dany_21a_jussi01: yes, because of that i asked... I am not sure if its okay to report a kde-related cut to the ubuntu-papercuts - or if there is a special launchpad for paperkuts08:56
dany_21a_Anyhow, i reported that (in my opinion) papercut: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/435090  (hope thats the correct location)09:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 435090 in hundredpapercuts "Kubuntu: Not possible to select only one file in dolphin without opening" [Undecided,New]09:09
serzholinoHi! Will there be amarok 2.2 packages for jaunty, please?11:09
Riddelllunlikely, the amarok packaging in jaunty was very complex due to its use of mysql11:10
serzholino:( anyways, thanks for your hard work on kubuntu. Will upgrade to karmic beta then? when it will be out :)11:12
Riddelllonly a week away!11:16
davmor2Riddelll: still an optimist I see ;)11:18
RiddelllAMD64 DVD now 4MB oversized!13:14
RiddelllCDs back to plenty of free space, I guess I should fill that up with languages for beta13:16
Tonio__Riddelll: just to let you know I'm starting a new fork now kdesudo seems not to require so much work...13:27
Tonio__Riddelll: powerdevil doesn't obey to xf86keys and doesn't have osd notification13:28
Tonio__Riddelll: basically we have klaptopdaemon but not kmilo13:28
Tonio__Riddelll: I'll fork kosd to act like kmilo did13:28
Tonio__Riddelll: I have a proof of concept that works here, but it won't be ready for karmic :/13:29
Tonio__will be there for Lucid, including, sound up/down, brightness up/down, suspend to disk/ram, show battery level and any xfree86 event I'm able to catch13:30
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RiddelllTonio__: I'd much rather that was done as part of powerdevil and not something separate, that's where the functionality belongs13:30
Riddelllsound up/down is already done by kmix13:30
Tonio_Riddelll: but no nice notification13:30
Riddelllthe missing slickness is that visual notification should support a progress bar13:31
Tonio_Riddelll: sure I'd like that too, but powerdevil with solid is way more complicated code base, so I'll go the way I can do things13:31
Tonio_and maybe propose a code merge upstream when done13:31
Tonio_Riddelll: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KOSD?content=8145713:31
Tonio_Riddelll: this is kosd notification, it supports native themes and is nice13:32
Tonio_Riddelll: the thing is that there are opened bugs at kde for a loooooooong time on that point13:32
Tonio_Riddelll: I can make it in a coupleof days, since most of the code is there, I just need to bind to dbus-xlibs...13:32
Tonio_Riddelll: once done we can discuss upstream for powerdevil/kmix inclusion, right ?13:33
Tonio_Riddelll: but technically the frontend/backend side of kde4 components is making it too complicated for me to code into :-(13:33
Riddelllwell no, if you do it as a separate app unrelated to powerdevil, kmix or the KDE notifications then it can't be merged upstream into them13:34
Riddelllthere's no backend/frontend, it's no harder to add a global shortcut to powerdevil than it is to a separate app13:34
Riddellland the code is already in kmix as i SAY13:34
Riddelllthe hard part is getting KDE notifications to have a progress bar13:34
Tonio_Riddelll: why not merging this OSD thing into ?13:35
Tonio_Riddelll: you don't want osd on that point, but notification ?13:35
RiddelllI want the normal KDE notifications to be used yes13:35
Tonio_Riddelll: my thing will use powerdevil and kmix from within dbus, the existing code already has this13:36
RiddelllI agree this is something that's missing/incomplete and if you do code it this way and it's the best solution at the time then we'll go with it, but it's not the final solution and it's unlikely to go upstream13:36
Tonio_sure that :)13:37
Tonio_Riddelll: let's say if it only is a couple of days to get something that works, then we can go with it to start, and then think of the long term...13:37
Tonio_Riddelll: thinking on the long term is nice, but getting things to work is better :)13:37
Tonio_Riddelll: but I agree it should be done in powerdevil/kmix directly with an osd class in kdelibs, that's true, let's call this step 213:39
agateauI thought about this, I think for KMix the simplest solution is to use Plasma theme to decorate the existing progressbar13:40
Tonio_Riddelll: it looks like the missing functionnality is related to Qt bugs listening to xf86 keys13:40
Tonio_there are lots of reports on that point13:40
agateausimpler than gettting the xdg guys to accept a new version of the spec to support progress bars13:40
Tonio_and powerdevil only binds to keys within Qt13:40
Riddellldidn't we patch qt for some of that?13:41
Tonio_that's why I want to listen to key events from within dbus-xlib directly13:41
Tonio_Riddelll: well we did, yes13:41
Tonio_but there are still reports on that point all over the web13:41
Tonio_Riddelll: see kde bug 18144413:42
ubottuKDE bug 181444 in powerdevil-daemon "powerdevil should listen to XF86Sleep" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18144413:42
agateaulooks like kosd is using Plasma theme as well13:42
Tonio_agateau: yep, plasma theme, and talking to powerdevil and kmix from within dbus13:42
Tonio_agateau: that's why I want to use this as a first step, because of little code base and pretty decent design13:42
Riddelllbut it's the wrong way around!13:43
Tonio_agateau: when, at least for me, getting into kdelibs/powerdevil code is a lot more complex13:43
Tonio_Riddelll: sure it is, but I'll first do something that works :)13:43
agateauI believe getting the code in KMix should be simple13:43
Riddelllpowerdevil and kmix are where the intelligence is, it should be them listening to it and calling the notification13:43
Riddelllthe code is already in kmix13:43
Tonio_Riddelll: and about the osd thing ?13:43
agateauYes, it just need to be pimped a bit with Plasma goodness13:44
Tonio_Riddelll: I'm not sure notification is the good way to get kmix/powerdevil infos to work on that point13:44
Tonio_I might be wrong :)13:44
Tonio_Riddelll: basically if I code this that way, then the code could be merged in plasma easilly right ?13:44
Tonio_since it'll use dbus and so on13:45
agateau<troll>nothing can be merged easily in Plasma </troll>13:45
Tonio_agateau: s/plasma/whatever13:45
Tonio_agateau: let's say that the code for listening to xf86 key and bind an event to powerdevil/kmix can be merged pretty easilly in kmix/powerdevil I think13:46
agateaubut kmix already listens to xf86 keys, doesn't it?13:46
Tonio_agateau: so I'll do the "old way" with a standalone app, and once it's proven to work, I can ask for help to merge13:46
Tonio_agateau: yes it does, but imho it should do osd or anything else nicer13:47
agateauTonio_: it already shows a plain progressbar,13:47
Riddelllthis is the patch we have for qt https://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-members/qt/ubuntu/annotate/head%3A/debian/patches/0288-more-x-keycodes13:47
agateauyou just need to use a plasma background behind it and you are done13:47
Riddellllots of extra keys in there13:47
Tonio_Riddelll: kk13:47
Tonio_Riddelll: we can discuss this later, eventually in the uds or during ucid cycle13:48
agateauand I guess Riddelll knows kmix code ;)13:48
agateau(since he added the progressbar iirc)13:48
Riddelllit could do with showing something on mute too, that's currently missing13:49
agateautrue13:49
agateaushould be easy to add13:49
RiddelllTonio_: so I think you should get the code for kosd, turn the widget into a library and get kmix using that instead of plain qprogressbar.  add in mute support.  do the same in powerdevil.  et voila13:52
Riddellland maybe one day someone will add progress support to the normal KDE notification system13:52
* agateau agrees with Riddelll13:52
txwikinger_workHi Riddelll13:56
txwikinger_workIs ScottK around?13:56
JontheEchindaRiddelll: KDE is still oblivious to the extra keys, even if Qt sees them13:56
JontheEchindathere's a mirror of the keymaps somewhere in kde4libs that needs updating13:57
JontheEchindabug 29321313:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 293213 in qt4-x11 "Qt doesn't support various multimedia keys, k-d-s has a broken modmap" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29321313:57
JontheEchindaotherwise those keys do nothing when assigned as shortcut keys13:57
JontheEchindaor hotkeys, etc13:58
txwikinger_workWhere in Dallas is the UDS?13:58
Riddellltxwikinger_work: not seem him active today13:58
Riddellltxwikinger_work: where they wear big hats13:58
RiddelllJontheEchinda: hmm.  meh.13:58
txwikinger_workhahaha... you know very well that I wear one of those ;P13:59
* txwikinger_work lived in Dallas for 7 years and knows it like the back of his hand14:00
RiddelllTonio_: is kblueplugd needed with the new kdebluetooth?14:08
Tonio_Riddelll: afaik yes14:40
rgreeninggood day all14:40
Tonio_Riddelll: on that point it would be nice that someone with a bluetooth dongle gives feedback14:40
Tonio_Riddelll: I can't disable my bluetooth chip so I can't confirm...14:41
Tonio_Riddelll: the idea is just that the icon doesn't show up when no chipset is detected...14:41
Tonio_call for feedback, anyone here with a bluetooth key !!! just kill kblueplugd and start kbluetooth14:42
Tonio_then unplug the key...14:42
* rgreening thinks I should go buy a bluetooth dongle to assist :P14:45
Tonio_rgreening: hum interesting14:47
Tonio_rgreening: can you start kbluetooth without a dongle ?14:47
rgreening:)14:47
rgreeninggood question...14:47
Tonio_and tell me if you have a bluetooth icon in the tray14:47
Tonio_we don't want this, that's why allee and I wrote kblueplugd14:48
Tonio_Riddelll: on the long term we should get that done in kbluetooth directly...14:48
Tonio_Riddelll: I'll ping ifiestas on that point14:48
rgreeningTonio_: it starts.. with a file open dialog  (for what I don't know) and then the icon appears after I close the dialog14:49
Tonio_ok14:49
Tonio_Riddelll: kblueplugs still required :)14:49
rgreeningwhats the dialog for?14:49
Tonio_rgreening: I'll patch kdebluetooth to use the Documents XDG folder by default14:49
rgreeningah14:49
Tonio_rgreening: otherwise we'll be prompted on the cd14:49
Tonio_that's bad :)14:49
rgreeningand the About box doesn't bring up anything14:49
Tonio_rgreening: and I have no easy way to set this dynamically from within kds14:50
Tonio_rgreening: yeah it's broken but that's not a big deal for the moment14:50
rgreeningwhy does it need a folder Tonio_?14:50
Tonio_rgreening: the obex server, to know where to put the remotelly oploaded files14:50
rgreeningoh14:50
Tonio_rgreening: it won't ask everytime14:50
rgreeningyeah, pick a sane default...14:51
Tonio_I would prefer this way (did that before)14:51
rgreeninglike Documents...14:51
Tonio_rgreening: bah XDG should make it I guess14:51
rgreeningotherwise user wont realize why the file dialo is open (It stumped me)14:51
Tonio_download folder.... I'll write the patch this WE, when I'm back in Paris14:51
rgreeningcool14:51
Tonio_rgreening: well when you enable the obex server, it opens, and then it makes sense14:51
Tonio_rgreening: but if obex server is enabled by default, this is confusing, yes14:52
rgreeningbasically opening a dialog without explanation is not a good thing :)14:52
rgreeningI clicked my temp dir14:52
Tonio_another thing I'll do this we is shortcuts unification for tabs in kde apps14:52
rgreeninglo14:52
Tonio_not changing the default, but provide a list of alternative shortcuts for all apps14:53
Tonio_that would be firefox compliant14:53
Tonio_kopete tab switching is a joke... ctrl + ] for next tab.... who can use this ?14:54
* rgreening never knew that short cut :)14:54
Tonio_bah it's nice to be able to switch within tabs with a standard shortcut14:54
Tonio_rgreening: I unified this for kde3, but it's still  todo for kde414:55
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QuintasanRiddell: I'm uploading Dooble to REVU, sorry for the delay but I have serious problem with my connection (uploading from 13, it's 16 here now :/)15:19
RiddelllQuintasan: ok let me know when it's there and I'll take a look15:20
QuintasanI'm going out for 2h so I expect it will be uploaded by then15:20
Riddelllgroovy15:20
rgreeningRiddelll: bug 435275 - should the status be wont fix or invalid or ... thoughts15:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 435275 in arora "Arora 0.9 Adblock Patch missing" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43527515:27
* rgreening went with invalid15:27
Riddelllrgreening: I beleive upstream is adding that for 0.9.115:27
Riddelllrgreening: but yes, invalid is fine15:28
rgreeningRiddelll: yes.. but the current request is asking to add it back in 0.9 as it was missing15:28
rgreeningok15:28
rgreeningicefox said next wednesday btw for a new release. So, I'll package and test and then let you know so you can upload after beta15:29
rgreeningRiddelll: ^15:29
ScottKtxwikinger_work: I'll be around later tonight.  Offline most/all of today.15:36
txwikinger_workScottK: cool.. I worked on the ichthux stuff15:36
txwikinger_workI will talk to you later then15:37
ScottKtxwikinger_work: OK.  If you have something you need sponsored, I can do that, probably tonight.15:37
txwikinger_workScottK: cool15:37
davmor2ScottK: you might want to make the power switch bigger so it can be seen by those with poorer eyesight ;)15:47
davmor2ScottK: any idea why NM shows up in utilities as well as internet ans system on KNE16:11
rgreeningagateau: hey. just replied to your post on plasma-devel :)16:13
agateaurgreening: huhu, going to read it16:14
agateauI must confess I am a bit afraid of the replies16:14
agateauespecially with the flamewar i started on the powerdevil dialog16:14
rgreeningasiego will be the most vocal16:14
agateauon kde-core-devel16:14
agateauI guess so16:14
rgreeninglol16:14
rgreeningI re-enforced you (hopefully)16:15
agateauthanks!16:15
rgreeningnp16:15
agateauwow,16:15
agateauyou dragged the indicators in this16:16
rgreeningagateau: as hard a time as you get form us, it's only to ensure it works as best as it can... and therefore speaks for itself.. and maybe that will help acceptance with upstream16:16
agateaumore flames!16:16
rgreeningagateau: haha16:16
rgreeningoops16:16
rgreening:)16:16
rgreeninglol16:16
rgreeningdidn't realize that was a no-no16:16
* agateau grabs a thicker bulletproof vest16:16
* rgreening wishes he could retract the post16:16
agateauno problem,16:17
agateauwill handle this16:17
rgreeningagateau: well, the idea is that this is an "experiment" and not forced on the KDE user.16:17
agateauyes,16:17
rgreeningagateau: and they shouldn't take issue with experiments.16:17
agateauI believe I explained this clearly and you reinforced this16:17
rgreeningexperiments are meant for learning16:17
rgreeningyep16:18
agateauhopefully16:18
rgreeningmaybe Riddelll will weigh in16:18
rgreening:P16:18
* rgreening thinks not16:18
rgreeninglol16:18
rgreeningagateau: any progress on the indicator being able to re-hide the window :) or any progress on getting kmail to open?16:19
* rgreening would like akregator support in the indicator too16:19
agateaui have been a bit side-tracked with powerdevil stuff, but I hope to fix kmail bug this evening,16:19
agateauor tomorrow morning16:19
* rgreening would like the re-size handle to work too16:19
rgreeningcool16:19
agateauhehe, don't worry, I noted all your reports16:20
rgreening:)16:20
rgreeningyou are the man16:20
agateauthanks!16:20
rgreeningagateau: going to UDS?16:20
agateaurgreening: it's my duty to go :)16:20
agateausure will be there16:20
rgreeningcool. karaoke :P16:20
agateauwas thinking the same thing16:21
rgreeningno barbie girl though..16:21
rgreeninghaha16:21
agateauneed to train a bit this time :)16:21
rgreeninglol16:21
rgreeningI think we need guitar hero16:21
* rgreening is tempted to bring mime16:21
* rgreening starts practicing with "Ring of Fire" by Johnny Cash16:22
agateauI am afraid my prefered songs aren't available as karaoke titles16:23
nixternalhola kubuntu16:51
nixternali must say, power devil has been impressive thus far on my laptop...first time I went to battery on this thing in a long time, and the uptime is actually impressive16:52
maconixternal: does suspend from it work?16:52
nixternalI am afraid to test that :)16:53
nixternalafter my debian svn checkout completes I will give it a try16:53
macoi can only suspend using "sudo pm-suspend --auto-quirks"  if i try to use the kubuntu gui, it just locks the screen without suspending16:53
nixternalIntel chipset, so I don't see why it wouldn't16:53
macoso is mine16:53
nixternalwell then16:53
macosuspend works just fine16:53
macobut not by pressing the "suspend" button in kde16:53
nixternaljust logged into my linkedin account that I haven't touched ina  while...and accepted you, my first boss from when I got out of the navy, and a bunch of other people16:54
nixternalok, let me try this suspend button16:55
nixternalbrb16:55
macoyeah just got the email16:55
nixternal'Suspend to disk' seems to have suspended just fine16:56
* nixternal tries to turn it back on16:56
nixternalWaking up. Please wait...16:57
nixternalit's alive! though I don't think it is going to work as it didn't ask for my encryption password16:57
nixternalwhoa, it does work16:58
ScottKdavmor2: Re Bigger.  Talk to Riddelll.17:09
Riddelllhmm?17:10
davmor2Riddelll: power button needs to be bigger than it is for those with less than perfect eyesight17:10
Riddelllwhich power button?17:10
davmor2Riddelll: kne17:10
Riddelllwhich power button in kne?17:10
maconixternal: i was doing suspend to ram17:11
Riddelllthe logout/turnoff applet?17:11
davmor2Riddelll: both really17:11
davmor24 pixels isn't good for bad eyes honest17:11
Riddelllno easy answer for that, it needs a patch or something to make it have a horizontal layout option I think17:11
yuriyis this the lock/logout applet or a different one?17:13
yuriythat one does adapt to the height it's in17:13
Riddelllyuriy: that's the problem, the panel is only 16 pixels high so the buttons are only 8 pixels high17:14
Riddelllwhich is far too small to see what they are17:14
yuriybut it should be using the horizontal layout at that height17:15
yuriyoh nevermind, it doesn't do it. coulda sworn i saw it do that before17:16
* rgreening likes it small like that haha17:16
yuriythere's definitely a bug about it on b.k.o17:16
davmor2yuriy, Riddelll, ScottK: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/knedesk.png to give you an idea17:20
ScottKdavmor2: I get the problem, just don't know that to do to solve it.  Honestly I usually just touch the actual power button on my netbook.17:21
davmor2ScottK: that fine I only added you so we were all on the same page :)17:21
davmor2Riddell, yuriy: also that image is actually slighty bigger than it is on the screen by about a 1/317:24
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nixternalmaco: suspend to ram just worked as well, as I forgot my lappy was on battery and it kicked in19:13
QuintasanRiddell: took long enough, up on REVU19:18
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yuriyjust saw the pre-kdm splash screen for the first time. wasn't the least bit helpful22:10
yuriyfun part is without usplash, i see the shell login prompt for several seconds and think something failed badly22:11
neversfeldeI need some help with bug 43277523:24
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ubottuLaunchpad bug 432775 in ebook-tools "Main inclusion request for ebook-tools" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43277523:24
neversfeldeI do not know, which solution is the best, probably another MIR?23:25
a|wenoh my, launchpad is really under maintenance now23:34
a|wenhalf the buttons disappear on mouse-over ... makes it kind of hard navigating23:35
a|wenneversfelde: i take that it simply builds against the libepub? and that epub-utils isn't needed for anything in regards to kdegraphics23:37
neversfeldeyes, so leave the binary in universe?23:38
a|weni would say so23:39
neversfeldeok, sounds good, I will test, if okular works with epub files, without ebook-utils installed23:40
a|wenit should ... it should just depend on libepub0 (automatically from the shlibs expansion) after building againgst libepub-dev23:44
neversfeldea|wen: thanks23:49
a|wenyw23:50

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