[00:00] <pandabear> penguin42: its crashing on "install grub 2"
[00:00] <pandabear> kl_: how would i do that, is there a guide?
[00:00] <penguin42> (Does anyone know of a wiki/instructions to point pandabear at for describing his hardware)
[00:01] <penguin42> pandabear: Oh right then  - grub it is; what's your hardware?
[00:01] <pandabear> penguin42: q6600, intel dp35dp mobo, anything else you need to know?
[00:01] <kl_> pandabear: yes there is a guide.
[00:01] <penguin42> pandabear: Sounds fairly normal - any USB devices other than keyboard/mouse?
[00:01] <mezquitale>   penguin42 I can actually use the "keyboard" applet to configure my keyboard to evdev, lets see if it works though, im going to reboot my xserver and see what happens, brb
[00:02] <pandabear> penguin42: i'm installing off a usb drive
[00:02] <pandabear> kl_: link pls?
[00:02] <kl_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[00:03]  * penguin42 is curious about the evdev thing - what is that? If people are supposed to use that to deal with al lthis then why does the GUI still use other layouts?
[00:03] <pandabear> kl_: it fails on the first step: ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo grub sudo: grub: command not found
[00:03] <penguin42> pandabear: Because you have grub2 now
[00:03] <kl_> Are you on the live cd?
[00:04] <pandabear> kl_: yes
[00:04] <cwillu_at_work> oooo, is it possible?
[00:04] <cwillu_at_work> has my jittering gedit been fixed?
[00:04] <kl_> pandabear: cool
[00:05]  * cwillu_at_work does a happy dance
[00:05]  * cwillu_at_work realizes he's at work, and sits down.
[00:05] <kl_> pandabear: if you scroll down a bit there is another method
[00:05] <uni4dfx> btw, what happened to xvid codecs in medibuntu for karmic
[00:05] <pandabear> kl_: the recover grub2 method?
[00:05] <kl_> pandabear: Which require you to chroot into your system
[00:05] <cwillu_at_work> uni4dfx, you'd need to talk to medibuntu for that, it's not an ubuntu project afaik
[00:06] <cwillu_at_work> uni4dfx, that said, you can probably use the jaunty medibuntu repository just fine
[00:06] <uni4dfx> k, just thought someone might know
[00:06] <cwillu_at_work> (presuming you need something beyond what ubuntu-restricted-extras gives you
[00:07] <kl_> pandabear: so make a folder /media/root
[00:08] <pandabear> kl_: this is what is in the grub entry now http://pastebin.ca/1575859
[00:08] <pandabear> kl_: is that normal?
[00:09] <kl_> pandabear: And what is in your /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[00:09] <pandabear> kl_: nothing
[00:10] <kl_> pandabear: Not good
[00:10] <pandabear> kl_: what can i do to fix it?
[00:12] <kl_> pandabear: you need to update it with update-grub command. But you need to mount your harddisk first
[00:12] <pandabear> kl_: i already did sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[00:13] <pandabear> kl_: i did sudo update-grub and now /boot/gurb/gurb.cfg is full of text
[00:14] <kl_> pandabear: You are fast. But that is good. Tink you can past it?
[00:14] <pandabear> kl_: sure one sec
[00:16] <pandabear> kl_: http://pastebin.ca/1575867
[00:16] <mezquitale> penguin42, I found the problem, it's the "alt" to the right of my spacebar, the "alt" key to the left of my spacebar works as expected
[00:17] <kl_> pandabear: Well time to install grub to your mbr
[00:17] <maco> mezquitale: whats wrong with altgr?
[00:17] <penguin42> mezquitale: Ah, that's normal - the one to the right is often called alt-gr
[00:17] <pandabear> kl_: grub-install /dev/sda?
[00:18] <kl_> pandabear: grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda
[00:18] <pandabear> kl_: that exact command?
[00:18] <kl_> pandabear: yea
[00:19] <pandabear> kl_: done, reboot now?
[00:19] <mezquitale> maco, when I press the right "alt" key in an application it does nothing, suppose I want to go to the "edit" menu, usually I press "alt-e" but it's not working with the "alt" key to the right of my spacebar, the "alt" key to the left of my keyboard works as expected
[00:19] <kl_> pandabear: assuming that sda1 is /
[00:19] <pandabear> kl_: it is
[00:19] <maco> mezquitale: ah ok. thats because the right alt is for changing keyboard
[00:19] <maco> mezquitale: its AltGr. press it and e at the same time and youre typing é
[00:19] <pandabear> kl_: reboot time?
[00:19] <kl_> pandabear: good it should give you a message
[00:19] <maco> at least if youre using international keyboard
[00:20] <kl_> pandabear: Like Installation finished
[00:20] <pandabear> kl_: http://pastebin.ca/1575871
[00:20] <mezquitale> maco, I press the right "alt" key and e and I get a normal "e"
[00:21] <pandabear> kl_: does that mean sdb and sdc will be mounted at startup too?
[00:21] <kl_> pandabear: you need to set those in fstab
[00:21] <mezquitale>   let me reboot into redmond and see if the right "alt" key works, brb
[00:21] <maco> mezquitale: is your right alt set to "compose" or "third level chooser" in keyboard settings?
[00:21] <maco> ooook then
[00:21] <kl_> pandabear: but before you boot we need to see if /dev/sda1 is bootable
[00:22] <pandabear> kl_: sure, how
[00:22] <kl_> pandabear: So fdisk -l
[00:22] <kl_> pandabear: if you see a * (asterisk) then it should be fine
[00:22] <pandabear> kl_: cannot open /proc/partitions
[00:22] <kl_> pandabear: with sudo?
[00:23] <pandabear> kl_: this is running under "root@ubuntu"
[00:23] <kl_> pandabear: just try with sudo. It sometimes messed up
[00:23] <pandabear> kl_: same result
[00:24] <kl_> pandabear: strange you are not chrooting..
[00:25] <kl_> pandabear: Well do you have a jaunty live cd?
[00:25] <pandabear> kl_: yea, but this PC has no cd drive, and currently running off a usb drive, so i need to get it installed :s
[00:26] <pandabear> kl_: when i use chroot, should the username that comes up be the one of the installed system or the livecd under root?
[00:26] <kl_> pandabear: It will chroot as root
[00:27] <pandabear> kl_: but root on the livecd or root on the installed system?
[00:27] <kl_> pandabear: root on the installed system
[00:28] <pandabear> kl_: its using root@ubuntu, but the hostname i set for the system is "pandabear@linux"
[00:28] <kl_> pandabear: Let us try to chroot the system to check if that one is working.
[00:28] <pandabear> kl_: sure, how do i do that?
[00:28] <kl_> pandabear: mount -t sysfs none /mnt/sys
[00:28] <kl_> pandabear: mount -t proc none /mnt/proc
[00:29] <pandabear> kl_: mount: mount point /mnt/sys does not exist
[00:29] <kl_> type ls /mnt
[00:29] <pandabear> only boot
[00:30] <mezquitale> maco, how can I make the "alt" key to the right of my spacebar behave just like the "alt" key to the left of my spacebar???
[00:30] <pandabear> kl_: only boot
[00:30] <maco> mezquitale: is your right alt set to "compose" or "third level chooser" in keyboard settings?
[00:30] <maco> mezquitale: if so, unset that, maybe?
[00:30] <kl_> pandabear: What do you have in /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc?
[00:31] <pandabear> kl_: sdb is a storage drive with just files, sdc is the usb drive i'm booting from
[00:31] <kl_> pandabear: You have other partitions other than /dev/sda1 like /dev/sda2?
[00:32] <mezquitale> maco do you know under what menu I can find those options??
[00:33] <pandabear> kl_: in gparted sda2 says extended and sda5 is under sda2 and says swap
[00:34] <kl_> pandabear: does it say that sda1 is bootable? See under flag
[00:35] <pandabear> kl_: nope, and under mount point sda1 says "/mnt, /target"
[00:35] <kl_> pandabear: can you umount /mnt
[00:36] <pandabear> kl_: how?
[00:36] <kl_> pandabear: umount /mnt
[00:37] <pandabear> kl_: umount: /mnt: not mounted
[00:37] <maco> mezquitale: system -> preferences -> keyboard
[00:38] <mezquitale>  maco I found it, I unchecked it, do I need to reboot my machine to enable it
[00:38] <kl_> pandabear: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[00:38] <maco> mezquitale: *might* need to log out. go try it and if t doesnt work, log out &in
[00:38] <pandabear> kl_: done
[00:38] <kl_> pandabear: ls /mnt
[00:39] <mezquitale> Maco under "Key to Choose 3rd level" I unclicked "right alt",  that's what I was supposed to do, right?
[00:39] <maco> mezquitale: yeah sounds right
[00:39] <mezquitale> maco, ok im going torestart my xserver and see what happens, brb
[00:40] <kl_> pandabear: What do you see?
[00:40] <pandabear> kl_: bin  boot  cdrom  dev  etc  home  initrd.img  lib  lost+found  media  mnt  opt	proc  root  sbin  selinux  srv	sys  tmp  usr  var  vmlinuz
[00:41] <kl_> pandabear: mount -t sysfs none /mnt/sys
[00:41] <pandabear> kl_: done
[00:41] <kl_> mount -t proc none /mnt/proc
[00:42] <kl_> mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev
[00:42] <kl_> pandabear: mount --bind /dev/pts /mnt/dev/pts
[00:42] <pandabear> kl_: the first 2 before?
[00:43] <kl_> pandabear: mount -o bind /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/etc/resolv.conf
[00:43] <kl_> pandabear: Do those too
[00:43] <pandabear> kl_: i'm sorry, all of the commands after i wrote "done"?
[00:43] <kl_> pandabear: yes
[00:44] <kl_> pandabear: You need them too
[00:44] <pandabear> kl_: done
[00:45] <kl_> pandabear: mount -t sysfs none /mnt/sys
[00:45] <kl_> mount -t proc none /mnt/proc
[00:45] <kl_> mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/dev
[00:45] <kl_> mount --bind /dev/pts /mnt/dev/pts
[00:45] <kl_> mount -o bind /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/etc/resolv.conf
[00:45] <kl_> pandabear: That is all of them
[00:45] <kl_> pandabear: Then chroot /mnt
[00:45] <pandabear> kl_: root@ubuntu:/# mount -t sysfs none /mnt/sys mount: none already mounted or /mnt/sys busy mount: according to mtab, none is already mounted on /mnt/sys
[00:46] <kl_> pandabear: I just rewrote it for clarity
[00:46] <kl_> pandabear: Did you type chroot /mnt ?
[00:46] <pandabear> kl_: yes
[00:47] <kl_> pandabear: The name should change to something like root@xxx
[00:47] <pandabear> kl_: still root@ubuntu
[00:47] <kl_> pandabear: ok
[00:47] <kl_> pandabear: we are going to update your system so you will not get any problems
[00:48] <kl_> pandabear: apt-get update
[00:48] <pandabear> kl_: sure
[00:48] <kl_> pandabear: apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:48] <pandabear> kl_: Failed to open connection to "system" message bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory E: Problem executing scripts APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success '/usr/bin/dbus-send --system --dest=org.debian.apt --type=signal /org/debian/apt org.debian.apt.CacheChanged' E: Sub-process returned an error code
[00:48] <mezquitale> maco,  I found the answer! "Alt and Meta are on the Alt keys" under "Alt/Win Behavior"
[00:49] <kl_> pandabear: Well then you know that your karmic is broken :)
[00:49] <pandabear> kl_: great :D
[00:51] <pandabear> kl_: what should i do now?
[00:51] <kl_> pandabear: Well you could try to download and install something else. it is alpha released
[00:51] <pandabear> kl_: i guess :(
[00:53] <kl_> pandabear: Alpha6 is very unstable for some system
[00:53] <kl_> pandabear: If you really want to test out then you could try out a daily cd image
[00:53] <pandabear> kl_: you think this will be fixed for final?
[00:53] <kl_> pandabear: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[00:54] <kl_> pandabear: That is likely.
[00:54] <pandabear> ok, ty for your time kl_ :)
[00:55] <kl_> pandabear: No problems
[00:55] <kl_> pandabear: I gotta go sleep now
[00:56] <pandabear> kl_: night night :)
[00:56] <localhost__> how can i limit my own pc....? i m using ubuntu
[00:56] <LucidLynx> when is karmic going to be released?
[00:58] <wastrel> october
[00:59] <LucidLynx> is there a specific date for it?
[01:01] <Dai> check the release schedule?
[01:07] <dto> i cannot seem to encode mp3s with any program (lame, sox, ecasound) no matter what i install from synaptic
[01:07] <dto> what am i missing?
[01:14] <judgen> does the keyserver time out for anyone else at the moment?
[01:15] <LucidLynx> thanks
[01:26] <zebrafusion> hello alpha friends
[01:27] <zebrafusion> an update within the last 2 hours housed my system, my touchpad no longer works, compiz is fried and x's responsiveness is dropped down by 10x
[01:27] <zebrafusion> hosed*
[01:27] <zebrafusion> is there anyway to revert?
[01:27] <zebrafusion> a recent update...
[01:27] <zebrafusion> I cannot use my laptop mouse...
[02:04] <zebrafusion> hi
[02:04] <zebrafusion> someone please help me revert
[02:04] <zebrafusion> everything was perfect, then my last update flushed my mouse, x and compiz
[02:04] <zebrafusion> help
[02:06] <Pici> zebrafusion: Best to figure out what packages were updated and then work from there to determine what broke
[02:06]  * Crashbit pira pal sobre
[02:06] <zebrafusion> Pici: I was hoping there was a more elegent solution
[02:06] <zebrafusion> that hurts my head thinking about
[02:12] <webbb82> im having a crisis i dont know if i want to go back to jaunty or stickk  with karmic there are a few things i cant do i n karmic that i could in jaunty
[02:12] <Pici> !bug
[02:12] <zebrafusion> webbb82: take a deep breath amigo
[02:13] <webbb82> i dunno
[02:14] <webbb82> i love how karmic is but i cant get gnome do docky to work rite
[02:15] <zebrafusion> webbb82: too late amigo I'm in the same boat
[02:15] <zebrafusion> we're just along for the ride now
[02:16] <webbb82> lol
[02:16] <FloridaGuy> is alpha6 worth following the upgrade instructions/
[02:17] <zebrafusion> FloridaGuy: trust the source
[02:18] <jamiejackson> hi folks, i could use some help with installing to a pair of drives with raid and lvm. i read that grub2 can handle this setup (i think). i don't have a problem partitioning and getting that part set up, however, what i don't know is where/how to install the boot loader. my drives are sda and sdb. i've got swaps in sda1 and sdb1 and the raid goes across sda2/sdb2. where do i specify that the bootloader goes?
[02:19] <FloridaGuy> zebrafusion, i was reading it on ....   http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha6  ....im in 9.04 right now
[02:21] <Pici> funkyHat: What do you mean? Are you asking if you should upgrade or if you should follow the directions when you upgrade?
[02:21] <FloridaGuy> is it worth upgradeing from 9.04 to alpha6 right now
[02:22] <Cynthia> Update Manager is offering me a partial upgrade; is this safe?
[02:22] <Pici> FloridaGuy: If you're not comfortable with fixing a potentially broken system or logging bugs, then no.
[02:24] <FloridaGuy> Pici, fixing broken systems...still do that in 9.04 from time to time
[02:33] <test34> is it normal that you need to enter your password to see if there is anymore updates available by hitting the "check" button but if you wait you can see the new available updates without the password
[02:35] <test34> (in other words the package list gets updated in the background automatically but you can't ask it to update it on demand without the password)
[02:38] <afv> hi
[02:38] <afv> if i reconnect my mouse it won't "react".. (won't move, won't click, etc.)
[02:38] <afv> after today's updates
[02:38] <afv> anyone with same problem?
[02:39] <test34> afv, what type of mouse ? usb ? ps2?
[02:39] <afv> usb
[02:39] <afv> ID 045e:0040 Microsoft Corp. Wheel Mouse Optical
[02:40] <test34> did you check dmesg?
[02:40] <afv> [31643.230354] usb 3-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5
[02:40] <afv> [31643.402339] usb 3-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[02:40] <afv> [31643.420777] input: Microsoft Microsoft 3-Button Mouse with IntelliEye(TM) as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.1/usb3/3-1/3-1:1.0/input/input13
[02:40] <afv> [31643.420968] generic-usb 0003:045E:0040.0004: input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Microsoft Microsoft 3-Button Mouse with IntelliEye(TM)] on usb-0000:00:1d.1-1/input0
[02:40] <Cynthia> afv: please use http://paste.ubuntu.com/ in the future for >3-line pastes
[02:40] <afv> >3-line, ok :)
[02:40]  * Lars_G floats thorough
[02:40] <Cynthia> well, >= 3
[02:41] <afv> sure :p
[02:42] <test34> so many updates... the developers are staying busy
[02:42] <Cynthia> test34: the last update manager run here said it had 106 updates, but 4 were unchecked, and partial upgrades have caused problems earlier in the alpha cycle
[02:43] <Cynthia> earlier today, that was 92 updates :D
[02:43] <test34> I had 190
[02:43] <test34> last time was yesterday
[02:43] <Cynthia> I updated last night before going to bed
[02:43] <test34> ah
[02:43] <test34> so I should not restart?
[02:44] <Cynthia> you might have problems if you do
[02:44] <test34> ok thanks
[02:45] <test34> I guess I'll take the chance.. I have my boot cd handy..
[02:45] <test34> brb
[02:46] <afv> i got this at dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/276172/
[02:48] <afv> test34, i got this at dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/276172/
[02:48] <test34> it seems to work fine for me but I still get a few errors at boot like: fsck.ntfs not found, problems enumerating USB devices
[02:50] <test34> sorry I don't know afv
[02:51] <afv> ok. thanks
[02:53] <Lars_G> it seems my suspend brokeness steems from acpi
[02:53] <Lars_G> me thinks the acpi lid state is not working well
[03:10] <jamiejackson> i've got my raid and lvm set up, but i don't know how to get grub2 going with this setup. can anyone help?
[03:10] <Cynthia> test34: I had to wait a bit for my sudo privilege to drop, but I attempted your Update Manager check thing, and it didn't download the new package list before getting back to Reading state information
[03:11] <Cynthia> test34: did you cancel, or enter a wrong password?
[03:15] <test34> Cynthia, what I mean is that if I do: System - Administration - Update Manager - Check, then it ask for the password, but if I go to System - Administration - Update Manager without hitting "check", I can see the available updates from the automated updated package list without entering any passwords... you would think it would also let you update the database manually without any password (using the "check" button)
[03:15] <Cynthia> test34: oh, you mean like the daily update check or whatever?
[03:16] <Cynthia> test34: the apt package list has to be locked and updated by root, and the daily update check runs as root too
[03:19] <test34> yes the problem I think might be that it is not asking for any password for the automatic daily update?
[03:19] <test34> or the problem could also be that it is asking for a password for the manual update (System - Administration - Update Manager - Check)
[03:20] <Cynthia> test34: it wouldn't know where to ask the password, or to whom: on a console or on the GUI? to all admins or to just one?
[03:20] <test34> shouldnt they both be the same
[03:20] <test34> both ask for a password or both dont ask (they is no security risk I think)
[03:20] <Cynthia> so the daily update check runs under cron, and is added by an administrator (the password check is done when you open the Software Sources dialog)
[03:21] <Cynthia> cron runs under root, which solves that part
[03:21] <test34> ok
[03:21] <JanC> the automatic update doesn't need a password because it's run as root
[03:21] <webbb82> i keep trying to install amarok but i get this error amarok-utils:
[03:21] <webbb82>  Depends: libtag-extras0 but it is not going to be installed
[03:21] <Cynthia> I know it's inconsistent, but both do need a password check
[03:22] <JanC> actually, AptDaemon & PackageKit might make it possible to update the package list without a password...
[03:23] <JanC> and if you want to fiddle with your system, 'sudo apt-get update' can be passwordless too  ;)
[03:23] <test34> it would be good to ask for a password to do the actual update
[03:25] <JanC> you can't ask for passwords for automatic package list updates
[03:25] <Cynthia> Woot, 111 updates and no partiaul upgrade now
[03:25] <webbb82> why would synaptic sayn this amarok:
[03:25] <webbb82>  Depends: amarok-utils but it is not going to be installed
[03:25] <webbb82>  Depends: libtag-extras0 but it is not going to be installed
[03:25] <JanC> because then they won't be automatic anymore  ;)
[03:25] <bjsnider> webbb82, do a dist-upgrade
[03:26] <webbb82> i already did
[03:26] <bjsnider> then do a regular one
[03:26] <webbb82> apt-get upgrade?
[03:26] <JanC> I'd suggest to just wait
[03:26] <bjsnider> yes
[03:26] <test34> JanC, you are right, so I think a user should be allowed to update the package list if he is able to see it after its been automatically updated
[03:27] <webbb82> Reading state information... Done
[03:27] <webbb82> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:27] <webbb82> brian@aspire:~$
[03:27] <webbb82> both and nothing to upgrade
[03:27] <JanC> test34: like I said, AptDaemon & the PackageKit daemon could do that (with the help of PolicyKit)
[03:28] <JanC> webbb82: just wait
[03:28] <webbb82> just wait?? for what
[03:28] <JanC> webbb82: looks like packages are building but not all of them are uploaded yet
[03:28] <webbb82> oh
[03:28] <test34> JanC, I guess I'll file a bug then
[03:29] <bjsnider> not all published, not uploaded
[03:29] <JanC> so, parts of a new Amarok are on the server and others not
[03:29] <JanC> bjsnider: also possible  ;)
[03:29] <webbb82> i get it thanks i was going insane trying to figure out what was going on
[03:29] <bjsnider> how long have you got that message?
[03:30] <webbb82> today
[03:30] <bjsnider> all day? hours?
[03:30] <webbb82> 20 hours
[03:30] <bjsnider> well, that's not the issue then
[03:30] <JanC> and what mirror do you use...
[03:30] <bjsnider> it doesn't take that long
[03:30] <webbb82> i dunno
[03:30] <JanC> bjsnider: unless they are separate source packages and one FTBFS
[03:30] <bjsnider> try using main
[03:31] <JanC> anyway, when testing karmic, I always use the main central servers from Canonical
[03:32] <webbb82> i had some other ppa's in my source list i took them off and ill try again
[03:32] <Cynthia> I use the closest mirror option
[03:32] <bjsnider> it can take awhile for stuff to filter down to the mirrors
[03:32] <Cynthia> I know, but I'm patient :)
[03:32] <bjsnider> you're a patient?
[03:33] <bjsnider> no, i'm a patient
[03:33] <Cynthia> At which hospital?
[03:33] <bjsnider> it works fine for the stable distro, because there are so few updates
[03:34] <bjsnider> at the one they send you to when all of the others reject you
[03:34] <Cynthia> Yeah. But I don't encounter many showstopping bugs anymore, in a6
[03:34] <JanC> if they update the mirror daily, and do so in the middle of an update of the main server...  ;)
[03:34] <webbb82> i think i fixed it i took off these other karmic ppas and then did the upgrade and then it found a bunch to upgrade
[03:35] <JanC> webbb82: heh, you had Amarok-related PPAs?
[03:35] <webbb82> yes :(
[03:35] <webbb82> im not a noob anymore but close enough to where i still do dumb noob stuff lol
[03:35] <JanC> ah, that's often a source of problems, just remove them or if that doesn't help, remove the application with problems
[03:36] <webbb82> i was trying to get a amarok addon that would let me synch my zen mp3 player to amarok
[03:36] <JanC> hm
[03:37]  * JanC tries not to rant about stupid crappy hardware  ;)
[03:37] <bjsnider> zen?
[03:38] <JanC> also, what does "sync" mean?
[03:38] <Cynthia> Synchronise
[03:38] <webbb82> ok so i got a dumb question  if i were to take off all my extra sources and then did a apt-get upgrade would it take me back to a fresh install,, more or less
[03:38] <Cynthia> I.e. put the files from a playlist, or amarok library, onto the player
[03:38] <JanC> if I want to sync my music collection to an MP3-player, it would need 300 MiB storage space?  ;)
[03:38] <webbb82> synch as in let amarok read my zen mp3 player
[03:39] <Cynthia> that's not the common definition of synchronising, but ok :o
[03:39] <webbb82> sync sorry
[03:39] <JanC> eh, 300 GiB I mean
[03:40] <test34> synch is usually both ways?
[03:40] <MFen> is anyone here into packaging python packages? i have a couple of debian-build/python questions
[03:40] <virtuald> webb82 no but there's a ppa-purge script in some ppas
[03:40] <Cynthia> yes test34, but those with iPods have gotten used to their player not being able to sync back with the hard drive even if the iPod would be good storage
[03:41] <MFen> to start off with, how do you tell it to use your gpg-agent?  i'm using debhelper.mk and python-distutils.mk in my rules file
[03:41] <JanC> webbb82: media players should support plain "USB Mass Storage" protocol, so that they work with any application (including nautilus & konqueror etc.)
[03:41] <test34> JanC, many do
[03:41] <MFen> second, when i run dch -i, it labels the change with my first name only, when DEBFULLNAME is set to my full name?
[03:42] <test34> but probably not the apple's players
[03:42] <MFen> if i don't manually fix it every time i run dch -i, of course, it can't find my secret key (which is listed with my full name in my keyring)
[03:42] <JanC> test34: I know, it's only crappy hardware from Creative, Apple & Microsoft that doesn't  :P
[03:42] <test34> JanC, crippled ;|
[03:42] <JanC> crappy too
[03:43] <test34> yes
[03:43] <JanC> they don't even play Vorbis  ;)
[03:43] <Cynthia> crappy because of crippling
[03:43] <Cynthia> also, MFen: how do you tell *what* to use your gpg-agent?
[03:43] <JanC> while several 10 USD made in China devices do  :P
[03:43] <MFen> Cynthia: dpkg-buildpackage seems to be the command that does the signing, so that
[03:44] <MFen> i know there are command line arguments, but python-distutils.mk doesn't set them.
[03:44] <test34> JanC, but they only last a few months.. mostly all hardware suck one way or the other
[03:44] <Cynthia> test34: I've had my non-AppleMicrosoftCreative player for about 3 years, it has seen my floor quite a few times :)
[03:45] <JanC> test34: COWON iAudio device support Ogg Vorbis/Flac well, and they win every audio quality competition over Apple/Creative/etc.
[03:45] <bjsnider> MFen, try using debuild -S -sa
[03:45] <JanC> and they are probably not the only ones
[03:45] <test34> Cynthia, lucky you I had to buy a a few players in the last 3 years
[03:45] <test34> JanC, I'll give it a try then
[03:47] <JanC> test34: and buying a 10 USD el cheapo device every year still beats 150 USD useless Apple thing   ;)
[03:47] <JanC> (financially)
[03:47] <MFen> bjsnider: thanks, trying that now
[03:48] <JanC> yeah, building without a key might help to avoid that problem...  ;)
[03:49] <test34> JanC, the $10 device you are talking about is not a COWON iAudio right?
[03:49] <bjsnider> he can't if he wants to send it into a ppa, but he can if he just wants to use a local pbuilder or something
[03:49] <Cynthia> JanC: but then the package can't be authenticated
[03:49] <MFen> oh
[03:49] <MFen> i want it for a ppa. :) -sa is not gonna work then
[03:49] <JanC> test34: obviously, COWON is korean and not cheap
[03:50] <bjsnider> MFen, yes it will
[03:50] <JanC> test34: but they just work, have all the features you want, and support about a zillion formats  ;)
[03:50] <bjsnider> is your key on the ubuntu keyring?
[03:50] <MFen> no
[03:50] <bjsnider> have you set up the ppa yet?
[03:50] <MFen> well, i assume not
[03:50] <MFen> yes
[03:51] <bjsnider> you are required to send in your key before it will let you upload anything to it
[03:51] <bjsnider> we can't just have any yo-yo sending stuff in
[03:51] <MFen> oh, so the ppa will sign it for me? the signing at my end is superfluous?
[03:52] <bjsnider> no, you sing it and then when you send it in it is authenticated as having come from you by matching it to the keyring
[03:52] <MFen> well, didn't i just hear that -sa turns off signing?
[03:52] <bjsnider> no it does not
[03:53] <MFen> i have no idea what you told me to do then.
[03:53] <MFen> "include original source", says dpkg-buildpackage. i don't see the connection
[03:54] <bjsnider> i'm not sure what you're saying but i've sent a million packages into my ppas and i always use debuild -S -sa
[03:54] <bjsnider> so use that
[03:54] <JanC> MFen: I was thinking that if you're just building something locally, there is no need to sign  ;)
[03:54] <JanC> of course, if you want to upload...
[03:55] <MFen> ok, well, i'm going to try it and report back what happens
[03:55] <MFen> anyone know about the other question? DEBFULLNAME is "Cory Dodt", but i'm getting "cory" in my changelog entries
[03:55] <MFen> dch tries to be much to clever..
[03:56] <MFen> ok. results: debuild -S -sa still asks me for my gpg password
[03:57] <MFen> i'm trying to get rid of that.
[03:59] <FloridaGuy> ready things on ubuntu 9.10.....where is people geting that ubuntu is trying for a 25 sec bootup....im already geting 20 sec on 9.04
[04:01] <test34> FloridaGuy, 25 secs is with a Dell Mini 9 netbook
[04:02] <test34> (as a reference)
[04:02] <test34> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2009/09/ubuntu-910-alpha-6-released-boot-optimizations-arrive.ars
[04:02] <FloridaGuy> ok
[04:02] <MFen> they're moving the goalposts. "boot up" now means "load the kernel, run all the startup services, connect to the network, display the desktop, bring up all your favorite applications, edit all your favorite documents, and surf all your favorite websites"
[04:02] <MFen> they hope to achieve this with parallelization, of course
[04:04] <FloridaGuy> MFen, think 8 3 ghz cpu's 10 gig of ram..you could do that in just a few sec
[04:04] <test34> using upstart
[04:04] <test34> FloridaGuy, get an SSD as you HD
[04:05] <FloridaGuy> $$$$$
[04:05] <test34> then you should be able to get < 10 secs
[04:05] <MFen> FloridaGuy: the bottleneck is the darn websites. they refuse to upgrade so ubuntu can boot faster
[04:05] <test34> MFen, websites???
[04:05] <MFen> see above lame joke
[04:05] <test34> MFen, that has nothing to do with boot
[04:05] <FloridaGuy> whats websites got to do with booting a os
[04:06] <FloridaGuy> MFen, ill upgrade my pc..so you can load your websites faster
[04:07] <MFen> but i'm only half kidding. that WILL be the benchmark in a few years. booting up the browser will be considered part of booting the OS.  it's going to be just one more system service that always has to work
[04:07] <test34> unless you are using the cloud as your CPU
[04:08] <FloridaGuy> if a os would use less resources...everything would boot faster
[04:09] <test34> FloridaGuy,  try http://www.menuetos.net/
[04:09] <test34> written in assembly
[04:09] <FloridaGuy> opened befor i could blink
[04:09] <test34> I haven't tried it in years, I might give it another try
[04:12] <FloridaGuy> test34, so is it a linux distro or something of its owen
[04:12] <test34> something of its own
[04:13] <test34> "Menuet has no roots within UNIX or the POSIX standards, nor is it based on any operating system. The design goal has been to remove the extra layers between different parts of an OS, which normally complicate programming and create bugs."
[04:14] <FloridaGuy> but can it use gnome or kde
[04:15] <test34> probably not
[04:16] <test34> FloridaGuy, why is gnome or KDE a necessity ?
[04:16] <FloridaGuy> no...was just woundering
[04:17] <test34> give it a try then and let me know if it's worth it
[04:21] <MFen> seriously, though, does anyone know how to force this thing to use gpg-agent? i've had to type my password about 75 times in the last half hour
[04:22] <FloridaGuy> MFen, type it a 1000000 more times
[04:23] <MFen> that is not helpful
[04:23] <JanC> MFen: I guess gpg-agent is not running, but gnome-keyring instead?  :-/
[04:24] <JanC> or something like that
[04:24] <FloridaGuy> well if i can type mine..you can type yours
[04:24] <Pici> !bug
[04:24] <JanC> you need to check your environment
[04:24] <MFen> 19699 gpg-agent --daemon
[04:24] <MFen> it's running
[04:24] <MFen> i have GPG_AGENT_INFO set
[04:25] <JanC> MFen: and it points to the daemon?  ;)
[04:26] <JanC> and the default config is to use the agent?
[04:26] <MFen> well i used keychain to set it, which also starts the daemon, but there is a socket there
[04:28] <JanC> MFen: does .gnupg/gpg.cong have a 'use-agent' line?
[04:28] <JanC> conf
[04:29] <MFen> nope. ok
[04:30] <MFen> i don't normally use an agent.  if i set that, and the agent isn't running, will i get anything worse than a password prompt?
[04:32] <JanC> I think it will fall back to a password prompt
[04:32] <MFen> k
[04:32] <JanC> AFAIK the agent is only used as a "cache"
[04:33] <JanC> if not cached then ask passwd  ;)
[04:33] <MFen> yeah, i know how it works. i've used it successfully before, just not with debuild
[04:33] <MFen> that did the trick :)
[04:33] <JanC> \o/
[04:34] <MFen> :)
[04:36] <iflema> 8 days... 2 minor issues= not bad. but... has anyone noticed how the occasional file dissapears?
[04:37] <iflema> been happnen since i moved to ext4
[04:37] <iflema> both in 9.04 and 9.10
[04:39] <MFen> JanC: do you know anything about how dch randomly decides to change my name?
[04:39] <iflema> happened 3 times now..... looks like a shutdown thing e.g shutdown with xine running dvb on reboot firmware gone...
[04:39] <iflema> ?!?!?!?!?!
[04:40] <iflema> thats the latest.... heres hope'n no..
[04:40] <JanC> iflema: that should only happen on an unclean shutdown AFAIK
[04:40] <JanC> like if you push the power button...
[04:40] <JanC> or a crash
[04:40] <iflema> if you call using user switcher an illegal shutdown
[04:41] <JanC> no, it's kernel level
[04:41] <iflema> she aint crashed yet
[04:41] <JanC> although maybe, if your application waits to write...
[04:41] <iflema> 9.10 that is
[04:42] <iflema> im running as my main system... i knmow madness
[04:43] <JanC> iflema: might be useful to file a bug
[04:43] <iflema> like i said 3 times since the move to ext4 once in karmic that was the firmware problem
[04:43] <JanC> AFAIK that sort of bugs in ext4 is supposes to be fixed by now
[04:43] <holzmodem> hi, i must build a new kernel, since jaunty is the debian folder abstracted. so the debian folder is empty, how can i generate the necessary files?
[04:44] <iflema> heres hope'n
[04:44] <JanC> holzmodem: ?
[04:46] <iflema> lol
[04:47] <iflema> [04:47] <holzmodem> if i checkout the files from git, apply my changes and run debuild, the buildprocess die, (cant find the changelog)
[04:47] <JanC> holzmodem: maybe try the source package instead of git?
[04:48] <Cynthia> iflema: in Jaunty, ext4 was available but not yet selected as default for new installs, and you had those reports from users of previously full files suddenly becoming empty, by the thousands
[04:48] <Cynthia> iflema: surely it can't be that bad still
[04:48] <iflema> jaunty was patched/hacked to function
[04:48] <JanC> the empty fiels issue shoul be solved  ;)
[04:48] <iflema> ext4 that is
[04:49] <holzmodem> JanC, this was my second idea. but there must be a way to generate this files. I dont think the devs copy/paste it always
[04:49] <JanC> but there were other issues with ext4
[04:49] <iflema> i lost firmware
[04:49] <iflema> shutdown with xine running dvb... on reboot firmware gone
[04:49] <JanC> holzmodem: I suppose they have a separate git/bzr for that  ?
[04:49] <iflema> ?????
[04:49] <JanC> iflema: sounds weird indeed
[04:50] <JanC> please search/file bug  ?
[04:50] <iflema> only happeded one... i cant repeat it
[04:50] <iflema> c
[04:53] <iflema> ill check xine first
[05:27] <mac_v> !schedule
[05:30] <billybigrigger> 236 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 11 not upgraded.
[05:30] <billybigrigger> Need to get 222MB of archives.
[05:30] <billybigrigger> all from yesterday? lol wtf
[05:36] <iflema> 154mb here...
[05:36] <iflema> goodone
[05:37] <billybigrigger> yeah no doubt
[05:37] <billybigrigger> dev's are busy :P
[05:37] <iflema> bring it on... me running 9.10 period....
[05:38] <iflema> luvn the audio....
[05:44] <iflema> reboot... fingers crossed
[05:44] <iflema> lol
[05:44] <iflema> wooooo
[05:46] <iflema> few
[06:17] <bullgard4> How can I determine if the newly released stable version 3.2.6 of ekiga will be included in Karmic's official release?
[06:24] <billybigrigger> doubt that will happen
[06:26] <iflema> cross fingers..... version ll be a close as possible
[06:27] <hifi> karmic already has 3.2.5
[06:31] <iflema> not so long ago i read empathy would replace pidgin and ekiga
[06:31] <iflema> hope not
[06:34] <iflema> bullgard4: http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/
[06:39] <bullgard4> iflema: I would opt for not abandoning Ekiga. The concept of Empathy does not include all aspects of Ekiga.
[06:41] <iflema> fully i want pidgin
[06:42] <iflema> bullgaurd4: pidgin still included so....
[06:43] <iflema> bullgard4: i did not see ekiga in status list....
[06:44] <iflema> bullguard4: empathy on status list ver2.28
[06:45] <bullgard4> iflema: In http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/ Application categories > Applications > Package status for ekiga lists only "Package: Karmic" and "Version: 3.2.5.1ubuntu1".  I cannot find mentioning version 3.2.6.
[06:47] <Cynthia> karmic@voltorb:~$ dpkg-query -W | grep ekiga : no output
[06:50] <iflema> bullguard4: itll be available after release.... empathy might go live cd to keep size down for other apps out the box.....
[06:50] <iflema> but dont quote me on that ;)
[06:51] <iflema> remember cd-roms only 700 odd mb
[06:52] <iflema> not eberyones got dvd-roms
[06:52] <iflema> (:
[06:52] <Ian_> i use USB sticks :p
[06:52] <Ian_> goes sooo much faster
[06:53] <bullgard4> iflema: I am going to present Ekiga at the Berlin Karmic release party next month in an illustrated talk. So I was curious if version 3.2.6 would be included. --  I understand that there are space restrictions on a CD.
[06:53] <iflema> bullguard4: after release use customization kit to roll ya own..
[06:54] <iflema> tis a new feature
[06:56] <iflema> bullguard4: final freeze october 25
[07:02] <iflema> bullguard4: interface freeze was october 10 , 7 days before Alph6 was released...
[07:03] <Ian_> it's still september
[07:04] <iflema> Ian_ not everyone can boot usb
[07:05] <iflema> its the whole dialup/broadband inbetween type of drama
[07:05] <iflema> offer this... cover hat
[07:05] <iflema> that
[07:05] <iflema> try make everyone happy
[07:08] <iflema> WANTED PACKAGES CAN BE REPORTED AS BUGS - LISTED AS 'NEEDS PACKAGING'
[07:09] <bullgard4> Cynthia: Ok.
[07:09] <bullgard4> iflema: Where to report that?
[07:10] <bullgard4> In Launchpad, but where there?
[07:11] <iflema> need to register first i think username/password
[07:12] <bullgard4> I am registered there.
[07:13] <iflema> that is a good question... im sure thats how it works
[07:13] <iflema> time is getting on.... feature freeze basically inforce
[07:14] <iflema> interface freeze i mean
[07:18] <iflema> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ekiga
[07:25] <iflema> bullguard4: looks like 3.2.5-x https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ekiga
[07:39] <AlanBell> bullgard4: check the version in Debian Sid, if the one you want is in there then put in a sync request
[07:39] <AlanBell> bullgard4: is there a specific feature or fix you want?
[07:40] <AlanBell> just checked and it isn't http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/ekiga
[07:44] <bullgard4> AlanBell: To me an important issue is that Empathy consumes 80 - 90% CPU time of a Centrino Mobile Technology laptop. I consider that a regression. One Ubuntero told me that the developers are working on it. But release 3.2.5 has brought no progress in that, and neiher the change description of 3.2.6. mentions this problem. 3.2.6 has brought progress in the German translations, though.
[08:24] <lodder> I upgraded to karmic from jaunty with dist-upgrade, it's a server installation. how do i upgrade the kernel and apperently lilo is installed could that have an issue when I upgrade the kernel?
[08:28] <eagles0513875> morning
[08:41] <pwnguin> man. have been having bad luck with karmic boot
[08:54] <egonw> moin... I downloaded karmic-desktop-i386.iso but when booting the ISO in virtualbox it could not find the kernel... is that a known problem? (it worked fine for the amd64 one)
[09:33] <edgy> Hi, why ffmpeg has no faac support? how can I enable it the easiest way?
[10:06] <SandGorgon> how do I set a kernel flag - e.g. turning off NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS . Do I need to rebuild the kernel ?
[10:06] <Tekno> no
[10:59] <amartin> hi all, I have couple of things to report of karmic koala
[11:00] <amartin> my usb dvd is not recognizable
[11:00] <amartin> my mobile internet is not recognizable
[11:01] <eagles0513875> amartin: file bugs here at launchpad.net so devs can see them and fix them
[11:01] <eagles0513875> if you feel like they are significant bugs
[11:01] <eagles0513875> if not since its still quite early not many people in here right now Amaranth
[11:01] <eagles0513875> wrong person amartin
[11:01] <amartin> oh, ok, I did this 3 times, but don't know if this is serious enough
[11:02] <Amaranth> amartin: file bugs
[11:02] <Amaranth> Telling people here will be absolutely zero to get your bugs fixed
[11:02] <amartin> ok, I will report this
[11:13] <ubuntu> hi
[11:14] <ubuntu> anyone know how to fix this: Err http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main intltool 0.40.6-2
[11:14] <ubuntu>   404 Not Found
[11:14] <ubuntu> faield to fetch
[11:17] <robin0800> ubuntu: its there for me
[11:20] <eagles0513875> ubuntu: it means your not connected to the internet bro
[11:20] <ubuntu> :d
[11:21] <eagles0513875> ubuntu: try ping -c 2 www.google.com
[11:21] <ubuntu> i have selectedm mirror for us and it was found.
[11:21] <ubuntu> )
[11:21] <eagles0513875> hummm strange
[11:21] <eagles0513875> :)
[11:23] <jpds> Very, considering they're the same servers.
[11:46] <tremmons> ?
[11:52] <Freak_NL> Hello #ubuntu+1. Should the indicator-applet-session thingy allow me to set the status for Empathy? The status submenu is greyed out for me.
[11:52] <eagles0513875> hi tremmons
[11:53] <amortvigil> how is the x solved for now?
[11:53] <Freak_NL> Also, indicator-applet is always displaying a "null" entry, is anyone else seeing this?
[11:53] <Amaranth> Freak_NL: Try again on thursday :)
[11:54] <Freak_NL> Amaranth, upcoming update?
[11:54] <Amaranth> yeah
[11:54] <tremmons> are you at alha6
[11:54] <tremmons> ?
[11:54] <Freak_NL> Amaranth, good, no need to file a bug then
[11:54] <Freak_NL> (alpha 6)
[11:54] <robin0800> Freak_NL: Yes and I filed a bug because it crashes with Konversation
[11:54] <tremmons> lol
[11:55] <Freak_NL> And the indicator-applet?
[11:55] <Freak_NL> It shows me "null" and empathy
[11:55] <tremmons> whats doin???? pidgin
[11:55] <robin0800> Freak_NL: Its not showing me anything its crashed
[11:56] <egonw> moin... I downloaded karmic-desktop-i386.iso but when booting the ISO in virtualbox it could not find the kernel... is that a known problem? (it worked fine for the amd64 one)
[11:56] <Freak_NL> robin0800, the joys of alpha releases :)
[11:58] <robin0800> Freak_NL: I don't mind it Never worked properly Konversation had to be Open and not on toolbar to work
[12:01] <tremmons> just wanted to mention... what a greating fucking os
[12:01] <tremmons> thats not being sarcastic
[12:02] <oldude67> is anyone else having a python-2.6 error when trying to use k3b?
[12:04] <ActionParsnip> quiet today
[12:08] <oldude67> yup sure is
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> might get an early release eh ;)
[12:10] <egonw> yeah, I wish someone could confirm the kubuntu i386 iso is booting or not (it's not for me)
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> egonw: did you md5 check it?
[12:12] <oldude67> egonw, what burn program are you running as k3b is borked on mine.
[12:12] <egonw> ActionParsnip: argh... should have thought of that...
[12:12] <egonw> ActionParsnip: thanx!
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> np
[12:13] <egonw> ActionParsnip: I did get a boot prompt... but still stupid of me not to check that
[12:13] <egonw> oldude67: was using VirtualBox
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> egonw: can save heartache as well as wasted disks
[12:14] <egonw> well, for VirtualBox that does not matter :)
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> egonw: true, still verifies that data for smooth sailing
[12:14] <egonw> ActionParsnip: would be nice is FF did that automatically
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> egonw: write a script for it ;)
[12:15] <oldude67> havent tried virtualbox on this machine yet, i was worried it would bog down as i dont have enough memory to make it worth while.
[12:15] <egonw> yeah, I'll put it on my todo list ...
[12:16] <Sagaci> oldude67: how much ram do you have
[12:16] <oldude67> thats on my to do list, how to right scripts..lol
[12:16] <oldude67> 600 meg
[12:17] <oldude67> it will run it, just really really slow.
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> run a light DE and reduce ram
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> like LXDE or FLWM
[12:19] <oldude67> i thought about going to LXDE
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> i use it, its sweeet
[12:19] <oldude67> kde seems a bit bogged by it.
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> oh hell yes, kde is massive
[12:21] <oldude67> the only thing that does save me is the 2.5 gig intel processor.
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> you can buy a gig of ram for the price of a pack of smokes
[12:22] <oldude67> ya i know..lol
[12:22] <oldude67> sa
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> doubles your ram nicely :D
[12:23] <darkham> it's gone gnome 2.28 upgrade?
[12:24] <SuperLag> My GRUB menu loads an passes so fast, I don't see if there's an option for a recovery mode kernel to load. Is there, and what key would I press to get in?
[12:24] <SuperLag> loads and passes, that is
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> SuperLag: sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> SuperLag: that should give clues
[12:25] <SuperLag> yeah... can't get there
[12:25] <SuperLag> that's the point
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> SuperLag: use liveCD then
[12:26] <SuperLag> It's installed in a VM, and something went wrong during the VMWare Tools install
[12:26] <SuperLag> crap...
[12:26] <SuperLag> I should have thought of that earlier. :)
[12:28] <darkham> it's gone gnome 2.28 upgrade?
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> darkham: can you write a full sentence, i dont understand yourquestion
[12:30] <darkham> ok, excuse me, i only would to know if karmic had an almost full gnome 2.28 upgrade
[12:31] <darkham> as is in karmic daily live
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> darkham: i have this: http://pastebin.com/f17c149aa
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> i'm on karmic but fully updated
[12:36] <darkham> strange
[12:36] <darkham> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/karmic-desktop-i386.manifest
[12:36] <darkham> this is the package list in the daily build
[12:37] <Bauldrick> I've had this problem since upgrading to karmic.. I cant load 2.6.31 kernels - the message I receive (now) is something like "dont understan SYMLINK{unique} on line 2&3 of 50-udev-default" then goes on to say"target filesystem has no /sbin/init", so I'm using 2.6.28
[12:37] <darkham> gnome packages ain't beta no more
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> darkham: you have a point
[12:38] <darkham> most of it are 2.28 and not 2.27.92
[12:39] <darkham> i followed daily builds and before the 17th sept. all gnome was 2.27.92
[12:39] <darkham> not now
[12:45] <Freak_NL> I see gnome 2.28 packages in the update list now
[12:46] <ActionParsnip> i dont have them: here is my sources file: http://pastebin.com/f12c82e2f
[12:50] <darkham> ActionParsnip, you must uncomment the backports
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> cool, thanks
[12:52] <oldude67> ActionParsnip, hey lxde isnt to bad,and its not eating away all my memory either.
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> oldude67: i use it on all my desktops
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> well, my 1 desktop
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> darkham: looks great dude, thanks
[12:53] <darkham> nop :)
[13:02] <oldude67> what burn program should i use, k3b is borked and i think i want to get the next alpha release and start from scratch.
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..  Trying toupload a file to a drop.io site with firefox.. when i use the firefox 'browse for file' dialog - it shows my Home dir.. then i enter a sub dir.. and the thing hangs. Anyone else notiecd this?
[13:12] <judgen> hmm i cant seem to be able to mount or extract a squashfs filesystem.. mounting tells me the version of squashfs is too new for the file that i want to mount, and unsquashfs can list the containing files fine but extracting gives me *** stack smashing detected ***: unsquashfs terminated.
[13:12] <judgen> Any ideas would be very much apprechiated.
[13:12] <judgen> the file is a 3.1 squashfs image.
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> Too New? Hmm.. no backwards compatiablity eh?
[13:19] <kl_> Anyone got some color mismatch in totem?
[13:21] <judgen> Dr_Willis, seems not. 3.*is compatible with 1.* and 2.* though
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> sounds like a missleading error message then.
[13:26] <judgen> but the new 4.* is not compatible with previous versions
[13:27] <judgen> i downloaded 3.4 and built it. but i still need to replace the version in the kernel i guess.. and that would not be very smark if i later were to need 4.*
[13:27] <judgen> also last kernel patch in the 3.* tree is for linx-2.6.27.*
[13:28] <causa-prima> hello! sound is broken, "cat /proc/asound/cards" says "0 [Intel          ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel  HDA Intel at 0xfbff8000 irq 22", aplay does not report an error, pulse is running, i am in the group "audio". the speaker applet thing is umuted, but "hardware" does not show any card, "output" says "Dummy Output". any ideas? (i am german, so sorry for any mistakes)
[13:29] <judgen> try chown ing /sound/dsp to you just to check if its the usual intel bug.
[13:30] <judgen> sudo chown username /dev/dsp i ment
[13:30] <judgen> and also audio
[13:30] <judgen> just to test.
[13:32] <causa-prima> logout required after chown'ing?
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> judgen: you can use $USER to mean the user running the command ;)
[13:32] <judgen> ActionParsnip, true
[13:32] <Ubunux> hello
[13:32] <judgen> causa-prima, should not be nessecary
[13:33] <causa-prima> did not change anything, still no sound
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> causa-prima: sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> causa-prima: killall pulseaudio; rm -rf ~/.pulse; rm ~/.pulse-cookie
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> causa-prima: then press alt+f2 and run pulseaudio
[13:34] <judgen> ActionParsnip, indeed =)
[13:35] <causa-prima> hal-restart does not work, it just says: "Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8)
[13:35] <causa-prima> utility, e.g. service hal restart
[13:35] <causa-prima> Since the script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an
[13:35] <causa-prima> Upstart job, you may also use the restart(8) utility, e.g. restart hal
[13:35] <causa-prima> hal start/running, process 4411"
[13:35] <judgen> sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart &&killall pulseaudio; rm -rf ~/.pulse; rm ~/.pulse-cookie    might work
[13:36] <causa-prima> hal does not resatrt, same error message
[13:36] <Ubunux> try: service hal restart
[13:37] <causa-prima> restart: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.117" (uid=1000 pid=4593 comm="restart) interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Restart" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init"))
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> yowser
[13:39] <causa-prima> yowser?
[13:41] <judgen> Dr_Willis, i found a simple sollution to my squashfs problem =)
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> They made a converter tool?
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> unsquash it?
[13:41] <amortvigil> Dr_Willis: are you from openpandora?
[13:41] <judgen> Dr_Willis, nope, i installed breezy net-install in virtual box and extracted it.
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> No idea what Openpandora even is...
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> judgen:  thats cheating! :0
[13:42] <judgen> Dr_Willis, good kind of cheating =)
[13:42] <amortvigil> Dr_Willis: ok then i may have mistaken you, sorry!
[13:42] <amortvigil> Dr_Willis: lol his name is DJWillis
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> causa-prima: its an exclamation like wtf
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> causa-prima: watch inspector gadget, you'll here it
[13:43] <causa-prima> Actionparsnip: ok :D
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> causa-prima: the cartoon of course, not the film
[13:43] <causa-prima>  :D
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> Not Me. :)
[13:44] <markit> hi, I want to install it into a acer linspire one d250, that has XP and a "hidden-recovery" partition on it. The installer does not ask me to shrink the XP partition (149GB) to install ubremix... is it normal? how can I do?
[13:44] <markit> alpha6 here
[13:44] <causa-prima> so..no further ideas?
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> I thought Inspector Gadget always said 'Wowsers'
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: that too, bah
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: i mixed it up, keepin it fresh
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> 'Jinkies a clue!'
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> "I would of gotten away with it.....'
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> markit: you could use a normal ubuntu CD to resize, then boot to the netbook remix to install to the space you freed
[13:47] <markit> ActionParsnip: you mean that has tools to resize? btw, I should create a bootable usb for it, no cd player included :)
[13:47] <markit> hope does not get confused with the boot loader
[13:48] <markit> better use partimage first
[13:49] <Ubunux> bye
[13:54] <ActionParsnip> markit: could do
[13:54] <markit> ActionParsnip: I would like to create and image of the entire hd, boot loader included... what toos should I use? partimage does of only one partition at time, if I recall correctly
[13:55] <ActionParsnip> partimage sounds good, you'll need a destination partition to spit the image to
[13:56] <ActionParsnip> not sure about boot loader but you grub config wll be backed up so you just have to put gru on the MBR and you are done
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> mondo/mindi was a good tool for this.. at one time.. Not used it in years
[14:00] <markit> ActionParsnip: I've to backup win and hidded partition BEFORE installation of GNU/Linux, so I've no grub config
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> markit: the hidden partition wont hold the grub config, the partition with /boot on will
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. both k3b and the gnome cd burner tool.. cant find my burner..
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> BRB
[14:03] <amortvigil> so why is there no plymouth in ubuntu 9.10?
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> No idea what Plymouth even is..
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> No maintainer, lack of updates, security issues.. are the normal reasons for remopving things
[14:11] <eagles0513875> !plymouth
[14:12] <Dr_Willis> Thats a city on the east coast. :)
[14:12] <penguin42> plymouth is a thing in fedora for a graphical boot
[14:13] <Pici> Dr_Willis: !info works here too
[14:13] <Dr_Willis> yea i was in the wrong window. :)
[14:13] <Dr_Willis> i forget how to make it do the version  for  the last release
[14:13] <Pici> !info linux dapper
[14:14] <Pici> or whatever (when the bot isn't lagged)
[14:14] <Dr_Willis> I think the bot be dead. :)
[14:14] <kulight> !dapper
[14:15] <eagles0513875> !jaunty
[14:15] <eagles0513875> kool learned something new about the box
[14:15] <eagles0513875> bot
[14:18] <eagles0513875> who else has gnupg installed on their machine i need them to check something for me
[14:20] <penguin42> eagles0513875: I do
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:20] <eagles0513875> penguin42: can u check in ur home folder and see if you have the hidden folder .gnupg
[14:21] <Pici> eagles0513875: gnupg is pretty much a required package
[14:21] <penguin42> I know I do
[14:21] <eagles0513875> Pici: for some reason i dont have the hidden folder .gnupg
[14:21] <penguin42> well you can't have mine :-)
[14:22] <Pici> eagles0513875: Do you have a gpg private key? or any public keys in your keyring? (obviously not though)
[14:22] <Pici> On a fresh install you probably won't have that folder.
[14:26] <eagles0513875> Pici: doesnt having gnupg installed automatically create one
[14:27] <Pici> eagles0513875: Having a package installed usually doesn't create anything in your home directory
[14:27] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[14:35]  * penguin42 is a little surprised, I find stuff trying to use .gnupg pretty constantly
[15:28] <natewiebe13> what is the channel to discuss artwork for karmic?
[15:28] <natewiebe13> i think its for the ayatana project?
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> natewiebe13: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[15:31] <zebrafusion> can someone PLEASE tell me how fix this udev nonsense
[15:32] <zebrafusion> I cannot use my mouse/X's responsiveness is not even worth using a GUI for
[15:32] <zebrafusion> everyhing was working _perfectly_
[15:32] <zebrafusion> ...
[15:33] <zebrafusion> Fine. Forget this trash code
[15:33] <zebrafusion> I'm moving to something more elegent
[15:33] <AlanBell> zebrafusion: turn off compiz
[15:33] <robin0800> zebrafusion: have you updated today?
[15:33] <natewiebe13> zebrafusion: i had the same issue yesterday.. i updated and it fixed
[15:33] <zebrafusion> robin0800: Yes I just did after everyone in the mailing list said the issues were fixed
[15:33] <AlanBell> alt+f2 metacity --replace
[15:33] <natewiebe13> i noticed something with xsplash.. if you run xsplash from terminal, once it is finished, it fades into the desktop.. when it runs during boot.. it abruptly shows the desktop.. is it just a bug, or is it planned to be abrupt?
[15:33] <natewiebe13> anyone ^?
[15:34] <AlanBell> and it is alpha code still
[15:34] <zebrafusion> AlanBell: Thanks for you input but that didn't do anything
[15:34] <ActionParsnip> natewiebe13: i dont use splash screens so coouldnt comment
[15:34] <zebrafusion> AlanBell: whoever is is in charge of squashing these bugs is bogus
[15:34] <zebrafusion> This bug never should have originated
[15:34] <AlanBell> zebrafusion: ok, what graphic card?
[15:34] <zebrafusion> onboard 64meg
[15:35] <aapzak> my install isn't working anymore screen fades to black when loading, caps light don't respond to caps anymore but ctrl-alt-del does reboot the machine, anyone? Intel graphics BTW
[15:35] <ActionParsnip> zebrafusion: try: lspci | grep -i vga
[15:35] <AlanBell> zebrafusion: nothing would happen if there were no bugs aloud in an alpha release
[15:35] <natewiebe13> ActionParsnip: you disabled xsplash? its not like a gnome splash screen.. its the splash before the gdm starts up
[15:35] <ActionParsnip> zebrafusion: its a little more informative
[15:35] <ActionParsnip> natewiebe13: i remove all splash screens
[15:35] <Dr_Willis> xsplash does its work both befor gdm and after gdm...
[15:35] <zebrafusion> AlanBell: I'm all for progress, new bugs and new fixes
[15:35] <AlanBell> zebrafusion: nvidia, am, dintel or other
[15:36] <zebrafusion> but this issue and ESPECIALLY the discourse on the mailiing lists has lost my faith with Ubuntu
[15:36] <zebrafusion> No one knows what's going on/what's being fixed
[15:36] <ActionParsnip> zebrafusion: can we have the output oof the command please
[15:36] <zebrafusion> everyone including the devs are sending different signals
[15:36] <ActionParsnip> zebrafusion: or we cant fix anything
[15:36] <Dr_Willis> boot -> grub -> Silly splash -> xsplash -> GDM login  -> xsplash ->  gnome and its splash. :)
[15:36] <Dr_Willis> its splash-o-riffic
[15:36] <Dr_Willis> I think i got that order right.
[15:36] <zebrafusion> Dr_Willis: right
[15:36] <AlanBell> zebrafusion: well this is a new bug, lets find out what it is and head for a new fix
[15:36] <natewiebe13> Dr_Willis: about yesterday changing the gdm.. somebody found gconf keys for it.. so i used those
[15:37] <zebrafusion> AlanBell: nvidia
[15:37] <robin0800> Dr_Willis: yes even with auto logon?
[15:37] <Dr_Willis> natewiebe13:  you mean the gdm in  9.10 is actually changeable.
[15:37] <ActionParsnip> zebrafusion: can we have the whole output, there may be bugs logged againt the chip you use
[15:37] <natewiebe13> Dr_Willis: as in the background, the gtk theme, and icons, yes
[15:37] <Dr_Willis> robin0800:  i never noticed. the system boots so fast here to the desktop.. it seems to take longer to get from GDM to gnome.. then it does to boot.
[15:37] <natewiebe13> Dr_Willis: not a new layout or anything
[15:37] <Dr_Willis> natewiebe13:  now if they make us some config tools. :)
[15:38] <zebrafusion> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> zebrafusion: thats not an nvidia
[15:38] <AlanBell> zebrafusion: so not nvidia!
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> zebrafusion: its an intel one
[15:38]  * zebrafusion slaps head
[15:38] <natewiebe13> Dr_Willis: and make xsplash crossfade into the desktop, not abruptly appear
[15:38] <zebrafusion> my error, I forgot
[15:38] <Dr_Willis> natewiebe13:  its so fast here..  i dont see the need for xcplash at all.
[15:39] <ActionParsnip> zebrafusion: thats why i gave the command, but you were rattling on about things not gettig fixed and stopping us from fixing your thing]
[15:39] <natewiebe13> Dr_Willis: it fades if you run xsplash from terminal, but not if it comes from boot
[15:39] <zebrafusion> ActionParsnip: this is the studpest most trivial bug in the world yet it's completely flushed my whole system
[15:39] <zebrafusion> I'm ussing irssi because I can't do _anything_ else
[15:40] <natewiebe13> Dr_Willis: think i should file a bug report?
[15:40] <ActionParsnip> zebrafusion: yes but when we try to help you slow the process down yourself
[15:40] <natewiebe13> Dr_Willis: or do you think it was intentional
[15:40] <Dr_Willis> natewiebe13:  no idea.  file one and see i guess.
[15:40] <BluesKaj> nothing trivial about it
[15:40] <Dr_Willis> 'xplash is ugly' :)
[15:40] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: replace ugly with pointless
[15:40] <Dr_Willis> fix: sudo apt-get remove xsplash
[15:40] <Dr_Willis> :P
[15:40] <zebrafusion> ActionParsnip: whatever dude
[15:40] <natewiebe13> Dr_Willis: unless you modify it and make it look like mrdoobs iteration 3
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: done and done
[15:41] <zebrafusion> ActionParsnip: I'm forking to a new development distro
[15:41] <Dr_Willis> I want hot anime babes splashing in a .. err.. never mind...
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> zebrafusion: so your mouse doesnt move, is that the crux of the issue?
[15:41] <Dr_Willis> that would be XXXsplash
[15:41] <zebrafusion> ActionParsnip: I don't want to associate my genes with this shit anymore
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> zebrafusion: your choice
[15:41]  * Dr_Willis waves bye to zebrafusion
[15:41]  * zebrafusion waves bye to all
[15:41] <AlanBell> zebrafusion: bye
[15:41] <Dr_Willis> some people dont understand 'alpha'
[15:42] <natewiebe13> Dr_Willis: have you seen mr-doob's iteration 3?
[15:42] <AlanBell> experienceing bugs like that and working together totfix them is the *point* of alpha
[15:42] <AlanBell> takes all sorts I suppose
[15:42] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: theres that anime thing where she gets more naked as the cpu heats up
[15:43] <ActionParsnip> AlanBell: wrong attitude basically
[15:44] <Dr_Willis> that is 'hot-babe' its at medibuntu
[15:44] <Dr_Willis> It could use a update. :)
[15:44] <Dr_Willis> it dont work too good any more
[15:45] <cumulus007> Hi, I'm wondering if maybe the latest Phonon version could be backported to Kubuntu, so Amarok could use it's equalizer functionality
[15:45] <cumulus007> The default Phonon in Kubuntu doesn't have the neccesary functionality...
[15:46] <BluesKaj> functionalty , what kind ?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> cumulus007, it's like saying amarok doesn't work ..pls describe what it does or doesn't do
[15:48] <BluesKaj> besides the eq
[15:48] <aapzak> noone here ever had a system which went black right after loading the kernel? harddisk keeps working a bit but then nothing happens
[15:49] <aapzak> caps light does not react to pressing caps anymore, ctrl-alt-del does reboot
[15:49] <eagles0513875> well lastest karmic phonon or what ever the audio default is doesnt work for me
[15:49] <cumulus007> Well, Amarok 2.2 re-introduces the equalizer back to Amarok, but it needs a newer Phonon version than the one in Karmic, so I was wondering if a build of the Phonon trunk could be provided in the repositories in order to make the equalizer work
[15:50] <genii> aapzak: I had that happen sometimes when it wants to use a video card/output which is not the one you are looking at (second head on dual-head, or onboard, or vga output of a laptop, etc)
[15:50] <BluesKaj> aapzak, can you get to a tty prompt alt+ctrl+f1 ?
[15:50] <eagles0513875> at least on me macbook duel boot
[15:50] <aapzak> BluesKaj: no, absolutely no picture
[15:50] <aapzak> genii: interesting, I'll hook it up to a monitor soon
[15:51] <eagles0513875> i had a weird issue where x wasnt working for me in alpha 5
[15:51] <eagles0513875> aapzak: what video card do you have
[15:51] <aapzak> my problem is pre X.
[15:51] <aapzak> Intel
[15:51] <eagles0513875> you dont have any drivers installed right
[15:51] <aapzak> GM965/GL960
[15:51] <aapzak> I don't think so
[15:52] <aapzak> I'll do a reinstall once I got the time
[15:52] <aapzak> luckily this laptop is dual boot with archlinux :)
[15:52] <Dr_Willis> yea - i tend to test out the pre-releases then reinstall  :) to test out the new stuff
[15:53] <aapzak> I guess I demolished something
[15:53] <aapzak> but hey, keep away from alpha releases if you don't want the hassle :)
[15:54] <BluesKaj> BBIAW , gonna switch to the laptop ...it needs an update too
[15:55] <PotterT|VF> hi, which gnome release is used in Karmic A6?
[15:56] <PotterT|VF> filing an upstream bug report, and i don't have my karmic install available
[15:56] <Pici> 2.27/2.28
[15:57] <PotterT|VF> 2.27, is there an alpha release number or anything to narrow it down?
[15:59] <Spike1506> i just installed karmic to test it, there are a few issues.. alt+f2 doesnt work anymore, when booting it opens a lot of nautilus instances.. + the icon next to the fast user switch applet disapeared.
[15:59] <Pici> PotterT|VF: 2.27 is the work in progress version number for 2.28
[16:04] <PotterT|VF> Pici: thanks, I was looking for any more accurate build or revision numbers, but no worries
[16:09] <FloridaGuy> i always do the net installs...what would be faster or would they both be about the same....a fresh net install of 9.10 or a upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10...
[16:17] <zniavre> with good dsl net-install can be fast
[16:18] <Spike1506> how do i install the latest updates in karmic? there are only 2 lines in software sources
[16:18] <FloridaGuy> im already runing grub 2 on 9.04...am i going to be ok on 9.10 upgrade
[16:20] <Dr_Willis> alt-f2 works here.
[16:21] <Spike1506> weird
[16:21] <Dr_Willis> Update/Upgrade/try it again
[16:22] <Spike1506> did that already
[16:22] <Dr_Willis> try it again.. reboot..  see if affects things
[16:22] <natewiebe13> Bug #435324
[16:22] <Dr_Willis> also do a dist-upgrade perhaps.
[16:23] <Spike1506> Dr_Willis, i did that too, will try to reboot then
[16:24] <matrixblue> Anyone know how to get empathy to connect to MSN?
[16:24] <natewiebe13> matrixblue: i switched to pidgin
[16:25] <matrixblue> natewiebe13, lol
[16:30] <matrixblue> no one else been having that same problem?
[16:36] <natewiebe13> matrixblue: when i did have empathy on this computer.. i was able to connect to msn
[16:36] <natewiebe13> i'll give empathy a try
[16:36] <natewiebe13> one sec
[16:36] <matrixblue> ok
[16:37] <BluesKaj> natewiebe13:  try amsn if empathy doesn't work for you
[16:38] <matrixblue> BluesKaj, emesene works well with me but I prefer to have all my IMs in one client
[16:38] <natewiebe13> matrixblue: empathy works fine for me..
[16:38] <natewiebe13> but i prefer pidgin
[16:39] <matrixblue> natewiebe13, pidgin has been really buggy with me lately]
[16:39] <natewiebe13> what version?
[16:39] <BluesKaj> right , not being much of an IM user , i just have amsn cuz it's sort of familiar from my windows days ...many yrs ago
[16:40] <natewiebe13> matrixblue: what version? im running 2.6.2 and i have no issues
[16:40] <matrixblue> natewiebe13, 2.6.1
[16:40] <natewiebe13> try 2.6.2
[16:40] <matrixblue> natewiebe13, okay
[16:40] <matrixblue> gonna upgrade now
[16:42] <natewiebe13> matrixblue: im prutty sure that 2.6.2 is in the karmic repos
[16:42] <matrixblue> natewiebe13, I'm using Jaunty. I came here because I figured more people would have experience with empathy
[16:42] <natewiebe13> matrixblue: alright.. try getdeb.net
[16:43] <natewiebe13> matrixblue: http://www.getdeb.net/app/Pidgin
[16:43] <matrixblue> natewiebe13, I'll just add the karmic ppa
[16:43] <natewiebe13> matrixblue: dont think that will work
[16:43] <natewiebe13> the karmic version would have newer dependancies
[16:44] <js> hm, libid3 does not contain id3convert anymore - any idea where to get it?
[16:44] <matrixblue> natewiebe13, it sure did
[16:45] <natewiebe13> alright.. guess i was wrong
[16:46] <matrixblue> natewiebe13, nah you were right......it upgraded but it still shows 2.6.1
[16:46] <natewiebe13> try the link i gave you
[16:48] <natewiebe13> matrixblue: ive gotta leave.. good luck
[16:50] <ripps> Okay, the latest kernel just screwed up my harddrive. Now Grub won't even work and I can't boot into either my Linux or Windows partitions
[16:51] <penguin42> ripps: What makes you say it's the kernel?
[16:52] <ripps> penguin42: because I installed one last night, than this morning, I get a kernel oop, things crash, I restart, can't boot up because it glitches while running fsck, now grub is broken
[16:53] <penguin42> it's VERY VERY unusual for a kernel to screw grub
[16:54] <ripps> right now, I'm on another computer, which is annoying because the keyboard on it sucks
[16:54] <penguin42> ripps: You say grub is broken - do you get anything?
[16:55] <ripps> penguin42: I get an unidentified filesystem and a grub prompt, but I don't know what to do from there
[16:55] <penguin42> when you say a grub prompt what exactly do you mean?
[16:55] <ripps> grub ) <blinking cursor>
[16:56] <ripps> it wants me to type something, but "help" doesn't tell me anything
[16:56] <penguin42> I'd take a rescue CD to it and see what state the partitions are in
[16:57] <ripps> I have to download a new one, but I'm not sure I have a blank cd to burn it to.
[17:00] <ripps> maybe I can make a liveusb instead
[17:00] <James147> ripps: you could always use a liveusb instead of cd usb-creator or unetbootin can create them from iso
[17:01] <ripps> I've never used unetbootin, can you link me to some directions
[17:02] <James147> ripps: Unetbootin -> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[17:16] <Oli``> How does one stop gdm with its new upstart job?
[17:16] <Oli``> sudo stop gdm doesn't seem to work
[17:17] <rski> sudo sto /etc/init.d/gdm stop?
[17:17] <rski> sudo  /etc/init.d/gdm stop?
[17:17] <rski> even
[17:17] <Oli``> rski: doesn't work for upstart'd jobs anymore
[17:17] <James147> or sudo service gdm stop
[17:18] <Oli``> hmm perhaps it did work then... annoying that the nvidia driver (from nvidia, not repo) thinks X is still running... can't see it in top
[17:20] <Oli``> No.. It's definitely still running.. argl stupid upstart
[17:21] <tasslehoff> I chose "install on the largest free partition", and the Karmic installer chose ext2 as filesystem on my rootfs. Is this right? I would have thought it would go with ext3.
[17:21] <ebischoff> Hi all. A small word to tell you that Kubuntu Karmic Koala works great. It's much higher than alpha quality as I expected. Keep up the good work!
[17:22] <James147> ebischoff: only because you missed the massive breakages a few days ago :)
[17:23] <ebischoff> Only problem so far (after resolving things like /etc/resolv.conf broken and other details) is that serial card initialization in /etc/rc.local seems broken, probably a problem with upstart or /dev management. But nothing really serious so far.
[17:23] <ebischoff> james : it's a month I'm testing it
[17:23] <James147> ebischoff: well, lots of ppl had it breaking, so its not above alpha yet...
[17:23] <James147> but geting there
[17:24] <ebischoff> and yes I got a few breakages, most recent was juk unable to be apt-get-installed. Nothing serious.
[17:25] <ebischoff> do not misunderstand me. Yes such breakages would be unacceptable for a production system. But what I mean is that KKK is on overall very good quality.
[17:25] <SuperLag> ugh
[17:26] <SuperLag> I'm trying to get synaptic to work with a proxy, but it's not connecting. :/
[17:26] <SuperLag> at work, we use Linux in a lot of places, but it seems like they slow mirror updates to a crawl
[17:27] <SuperLag> because the downloads start fast, then slow to < 1K/sec
[17:27] <ebischoff> I also have a mouse and keyboard problem with vmware. but i expect vmware guys to be working on it and issue 6.5.4 some day, adapted to linux 2.6.31 kernel
[17:27] <SuperLag> but a regular download over HTTP is fast
[17:29] <ebischoff> X freezing due to hal too, but I know how to workaround it
[17:29] <ebischoff> so I thought it would be worth a few words of encouragement ;-)
[17:37] <bdgraue> kmail in karmic does not work for me, after upgrading from jaunty. known feature? suggestions?
[17:37] <NoCode> Is the sound applet fixed in Karmic?
[17:39] <BluesKaj> NoCode, seems that it depends on your soundcard
[17:40] <NoCode> 82801H
[17:40] <NoCode> Intel 82801H I might add.
[17:41] <ebischoff> bd : worksforme. what happens ?
[17:41] <BluesKaj> !intelhda
[17:41] <NoCode> Is that really HDA though?
[17:42] <NoCode> I have a GM965 chipset with Intel 82801H
[17:42] <coz_> hey guys..any n ews  on if gnome 3  is going to be in karmic?
[17:42] <NoCode> Or does that matter?
[17:42] <Skreech> I'm having some issues with the ATH9k driver
[17:42] <Skreech> it says my wireless is disabled
[17:43] <Skreech> but the module is loaded
[17:43] <ebischoff> bdgraue: works for me. what happens?
[17:43] <bdgraue> ebischoff: wait a mom, will give you a paste of the error i get
[17:43] <ebischoff> ok, in private request or in pastebin please
[17:44] <danbhfive> coz_: gnome3 is not yet released
[17:44] <bdgraue> pastebin af course :)
[17:44] <NoCode> !pastebin
[17:45] <bdgraue> s/course/cause
[17:50] <Skreech> The network is disabled in lshw -C network
[17:51] <bdgraue_> http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/42
[17:51] <bdgraue_> thats what i get, when i try to open kmail in konsole
[17:52] <ebischoff> bdgraoue : type ps aux | grep dbus   and check that dbus-daemon and other dbus processes are running
[17:54] <bdgraue_> ebischoff: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/43
[17:54] <ebischoff> bdgraue : ok, wrong ty. do you know how to strace a program? if yes, strace kmail and pastebin
[17:55] <ebischoff> the trick is (as root) : strace -f -e trace=all kmail
[17:55] <ebischoff> ouch, I have to prepare for the opera :-(
[17:56] <ebischoff> mail to ebischoff at nerim dot net if you accept slow speed debugging
[17:57] <bdgraue_> :)
[17:57] <bdgraue_> ok, will do that
[17:57] <bdgraue_> ty
[18:10] <albacker> how do i install jAVA in ubuntu 9.10 ? i already have restricted installed.. but a page with java isnt working
[18:10] <albacker> the link is this one btw :
[18:10] <albacker> http://www.gva.es/ajedrez/ei_ajedrez_en.htm
[18:10] <ebischoff> bdgraue : try also renaming directory .kde/share/config/kmail to .kde/share/config/kmail.old and see if kmail starts
[18:11] <ebischoff> if yes, there's something in your configuration that makes it fail ; to restablish your configureation, rename back kmail.old to kmail
[18:13] <bdgraue> renaming kmailrc doesnt do the trick
[18:13] <wekt> albacker: there is metapackage default-jre .  otherwise gcj-jre .  you will need a -plugin$ too if you want applets.
[18:14] <albacker> wekt, where to find the plugin?
[18:14] <wekt> also in repo, i presume.  search for  -plugin$  in aptitude.
[18:15] <albacker> libsensors-applet-plugin-dev - Create plugins for the 'sensors-applet' package
[18:15] <albacker> libsensors-applet-plugin0
[18:15] <albacker> ??
[18:15] <albacker> sun-java6-plugin
[18:15] <wekt> icedtea6-plugin is java plugin for openjdk
[18:16] <wekt> default-jre is alias for openjdk
[18:16] <wekt> openjdk is basically GPL licensed sun-JRE
[18:16] <wekt> gcj is FSF JRE
[18:16] <ebischoff> kdgrauer. OK. Same test with your mail folder, try renaming it, to see if there is a problem reading it. Also send me the strace. Also consider going to #kubuntu or #kde4
[18:17] <markit> alpha6 remix, had problems during installation on acer aspire one 250d, is this the right place to report?
[18:17] <wekt> If you install  default-jre, you will get whatever Ubuntu recommends.
[18:17] <albacker> wekt, default-jre is already installed
[18:18] <wekt> albacker: to get the matching plugin, install icedtea-plugin
[18:18] <bdgraue> ebischoff: just did that, after that kmail will start again, is it possible to import all the mails afterwards?
[18:19] <albacker> wekt, i did.. and it doesnt display that applet.
[18:19] <albacker> wekt, it works now. thanks for the help.
[18:20] <wekt> glad i could do someone else a favor for a change
[18:22] <BluesKaj> !playdeb
[18:23] <bdgraue> ebischoff: just trying out the import functionality in kmail, seems to work atm :) thx for your advice
[18:23] <BluesKaj> for you gamers , check this out , you might already have heard : http://www.playdeb.net/welcome/
[18:25] <pecisk> hi people, gnome-shell is broken in Karmic? :)
[18:33] <FloridaGuy> i keep geting this.... ( This problem report is damaged and cannot be processed. ) This typError ( error ) (incorrect padding )....is that the crash repot package?
[18:35] <hggdh> FloridaGuy: are you up-to-date on karmic?
[18:36] <FloridaGuy> hggdh, i just did an upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10
[18:36] <hggdh> FloridaGuy: using alpha6?
[18:36] <FloridaGuy> yes
[18:36] <hggdh> should work
[18:37] <hggdh> it sounds likemight be a good option to open a bug on it
[18:38] <bdgraue> ebischoff: got my kmail working and all mails imported, thank a lot :)
[18:41] <FloridaGuy> hggdh, just reinstalled apport....see how that works
[19:15] <ubuntu> Is there a known problem with the AR928X wireless chipset?
[19:15] <webbb82> anyone use "awesome window manager"
[19:15] <fagan> awesome window manager?
[19:16] <webbb82> ya
[19:16] <webbb82> google it
[19:16] <fagan> ubuntu: what problems are you having?
[19:16] <ubuntu> The Driver is loaded and the lshw -C network says it's disabled
[19:16] <tasslehoff> I have installed Karmic on my MBP. I believe most stuff works, but I need to fix wireless network. A post I found told me that I have to "enable the bcmwl driver for wifi", but how do I do this?
[19:17] <ubuntu>  When I modprobe -r the driver I get an option for wireless in the Wireless manager but the lshw -C says that network card is unclaimed
[19:17] <ubuntu>  which of course means I can't use
[19:17] <ubuntu> it
[19:17] <ubuntu> I installed the daily of compat wireless
[19:17] <webbb82> http://www.actionshrimp.com/2009/02/installing-awesome-window-manager-on-ubuntu-intrepid/
[19:18] <sunshinepants> jeez louise 146 upgradable packages
[19:21] <tasslehoff> hmm. is bcmwl a restricted driver?
[19:21] <floating1> for me it says system is up-to-date, and it's been like 40h since last update o.O where is the chromium-browser's daily build
[19:25] <fagan> floating1: did you check for update?
[19:25] <fagan> *updates
[19:44] <ubuntu> fagan: any ideas?
[19:44] <ubuntu> is ATH298X a known problem?
[19:44] <BleSS> hi! I need configure dm-crypt using options that doesn't come with alternate installer (i.e. serpent-aes), does this has changed whith the last alpha?
[19:44] <ubuntu> Sorry
[19:44] <ubuntu> AR928X
[19:45] <fagan> ubuntu nope
[19:45] <BleSS> *serpent/twofish/aes-xts
[19:46] <anders__1> I need some help with the restricted broadcom drivers for my MBP. I have installed "Broadcom B43 Wireless Driver", but that did not give me wlan. I also have a "Broadcom STA wireless driver", but when I choose that one nothing happens.
[19:52] <anders__1> how can I install the broadcom driver from terminal?
[19:57] <anders__1> I believe all the broadcom drivers are now installed, but wireless doesnt seem to work
[19:59]  * anders__1 hears a pin drop
[20:03] <urthmover> hmm the new booting progress roller...I'm not feeling it
[20:04] <urthmover> I like knowing if something is actaully moving along toward a finish...not just rolling
[20:09] <tgpraveen> !info thunderbird
[20:10] <lordgiotto> Hi guy :) I want to test (and maybe use every day) the new ubuntu release, but i've a big problem which i cannot define the causes :\ can someone help me please?
[20:12] <Dai> !ask
[20:13] <lordgiotto> The problem is (i think) that it cannot resolv ip... When i try to browse with firefox or update repository cache, or upgrade the system, it fails becouse ubuntu resolv a wrong ip (for example if i try to update package cache with apt-get update, it try to connect to 1.0.0.0 ip)
[20:13] <fagan> Slideshow backrounds in karmic :)
[20:14] <lordgiotto> it happens both with wlan end eth connection and with auto dns (my router ip) and opendns
[20:14] <lordgiotto> i cannot understand which is the cause :\
[20:16] <glengrant> hm - just upgraded my VB VM Karmic- Ubuntu Store under Applications vanished - temporary reset to Gnome 2.28?
[20:20] <lordgiotto> no one can help me?
[20:22] <sewa> hi! how can i manage services in kde?
[20:22] <sewa> to disable i.e. bluetooth service
[20:37] <BluesKaj> sewa, uninstall bluetooth :)
[20:37] <lordgiotto> ok, no one can help me-... So can you sugget me how to open a bug on launchpad for this bug? (which package i've to tag in the bug?)
[20:40] <BluesKaj> lordgiotto, are connecting at all ? perhaps it;s the network manager at fault
[20:40] <lordgiotto> no, it's connected :\ I can ping my router and, SOMETIMES, i can ping google.com
[20:41] <lordgiotto> i think it's a problem of hostname resolv: infact, if i ping the ubuntu repository, after i can upgrade the system
[20:44] <BluesKaj> lordgiotto, could be a dns problem
[20:46] <lordgiotto> BluesKaj: And how can i fix this problem in your opinion?
[20:47] <BluesKaj> i use opendns , it bypasses my ISP's dns  server and uses this free service at opendns , these are numbers to edit your router's dns server, primary,  208,67.222.222 then the secondary 208.67.220.220
[20:48] <lordgiotto> I've set them in nm configuration, but the problem persist
[20:48] <BluesKaj> oops 208.67.222.222 ...I think there was a comma in the first address
[20:49] <BluesKaj> you sert your dns server to manual configuration
[20:49] <BluesKaj> trthen apply the address numbers
[20:51] <lordgiotto> yes, i've done it, but the problem persist... Maybe it's a problem of avahi dns resolver
[20:51] <lordgiotto> i don't know
[20:51] <lordgiotto> or a local dns cache
[20:55] <BluesKaj> reboot the router
[20:58] <lordgiotto> i've tried it also :\
[20:59] <lordgiotto> i can not understand :\
[20:59] <piotrekm> hi
[20:59]  * BluesKaj still trying to connect with other karmic machines without any luck ...don't think samba was designed for linux to linux
[20:59] <BluesKaj> on a LAN
[21:00] <piotrekm> usplash doesn't work on my two pcs (mac and a pc to be correct) with the current version of karmic, is it normal?
[21:00] <piotrekm> i mean shutting down is displayed correctly, but the bootup is in text mode, and i have to manually switch to the tty7
[21:03] <BluesKaj> piotrekm, no that's not normal for sure , try configuring the splash in system settings in kde , dunno what the gnome equivalent is
[21:04] <piotrekm> k, thanks
[21:17] <AlanBell> anyone tried putting Karmic on an OLPC XO yet?
[21:19] <alokito> where is karmic's menu.lst?
[21:19] <yofel> !grub2 | alokito
[21:20] <alokito> yofel, well I installed karmic in my hard drive but I want to boot it from my jaunty's grub
[21:20] <alokito> what to do in that case?
[21:22] <yofel> no idea, never tried it, somebody else?
[21:22] <James147> alokito: you can either install grub1 again, or figure out howto edit grub2s menus and chainload to jauntys grub
[21:22] <alokito> hmm ok the configuration settings are now in grub.cfg
[21:23] <James147> alokito:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[21:23] <alokito> thank you
[21:23] <genii> alokito: Don't edit that file though. Edit the /etc/default/grub    and do grub-install or grub-mkconfig
[21:24] <nemo> Ugh. Annoying behaviour that, while I can't be sure, I think is new to karmic
[21:24] <alokito> i'll just copy paste the menu entry of karmic's grub and edit it a bit for jaunty's
[21:24] <nemo> I move my USB mouse/keyboard to 2nd computer to see what it was doing (surprise power outtage on headless box)
[21:25] <nemo> when I move them back to main computer, they are unresponsive
[21:25] <nemo> sshing in I see they were picked up in dmesg just fine. restart of X does nothing.
[21:25] <nemo> so, since I'd only been up for a few minutes, just rebooted the whole system.
[21:25] <nemo> Annoying though.
[21:26] <xguru> just upgraded to Koala and the System>Administration>User and Groups are missing.  Has anyone else had this issue?  and is there away to get it back?
[21:27] <zniavre> xguru,  you should try "alacarte" (i got this menu in good place)
[21:27] <nemo> xguru: I've got them.  checked in menu editor?
[21:27] <nemo> xguru: do you have the command users-admin ?
[21:27] <alokito> title UUbuntu, Linux 2.6.31-10-generic
[21:27] <alokito> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-10-generic root=UUID=3dd3e1d9-42e9-4909-a810-aab8ba5672c1 ro   quiet splash
[21:27] <alokito> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-15-generic
[21:27] <alokito> this is gonna work in jaunty isn't it?
[21:28] <alokito> to boot karmic?
[21:29] <xguru> menu editor doesn't have it as a checkable listing, and it is intalled.  as far as user-admin not installed
[21:29] <xguru> alacarte i haven't herd of...i'm going to look that one up
[21:30] <alokito> brb trying to boot from karmic now
[21:36] <xguru> hmm...installing user-admin worked...what was the issue exactly?
[21:38] <nemo> xguru: somehow it got removed in the upgrade?
[21:39] <xguru> the only thing i noticed in the upgrade that gave errors was the usplash upgrade, which i herd was being phased out so i just uninstalled it
[21:42] <BUGabundo> guud evening
[21:43] <AlanBell> hmm, just had the daily karmic alternate ISO fail to install
[21:44] <AlanBell> looks like pkgdetails is being called with invalid parameters
[21:47] <Rods_Tiger> does karmic make use of "startup manager" or are there other ways?
[21:50] <nperry> Anyone having any problems with eclipse as in bug 429065
[22:01] <causa-prima> hello! sound is broken, "cat /proc/asound/cards" says "0 [Intel          ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel  HDA Intel at 0xfbff8000 irq 22", aplay does not report an error, pulse is running, i am in the group "audio". the speaker applet thing is umuted, but "hardware" does not show any card, "output" says "Dummy Output". any ideas?
[22:03] <causa-prima> none?
[22:04] <gnubie> causa-prima, Are you in the pulse and pulse access groups?
[22:05] <causa-prima> ar..can't open a terminal
[22:05] <penguin42> causa-prima: If you bring up paman and go to the devices section what's listed under sinks
[22:06] <causa-prima> wait, ich have to restart. errors. can't open termnal etc.
[22:06] <penguin42> sounds like he has bigger problems
[22:10] <causa-prima> gnubie: causa-prima@causa-prima:~$ groups
[22:10] <causa-prima> causa-prima adm dialout cdrom audio plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[22:10] <causa-prima> pengui42: paman is not installed
[22:11] <penguin42> oh, OK - it's just convenient
[22:11] <causa-prima> so..do i NEED to be in pulse ans pulse acces group?
[22:12] <penguin42> no, I'm just in audio
[22:12] <gnubie> causa-prima, as a habit i added myself to the pulse groups and have not had sound probs, but prob not your problem
[22:12] <penguin42> uid=1000(dg) gid=1000(dg) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),109(lpadmin),111(scanner),114(admin),120(uml-net),123(vboxusers),1000(dg)
[22:12] <habermann24> hi. i have a ubuntu-server (home server) that im testing KVM on... and i want to try 9.10 because of the newer kernel and stuff... how do i upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10?
[22:12] <habermann24> sudo do-release-upgrade won't find a new release...how do i tell it to look for development releases
[22:13] <penguin42> habermann24: update-manager -d -c
[22:13] <penguin42> habermann24: Be careful though - it's only alpha, it might break things and eat your cat
[22:13] <habermann24> penguin42: i have no gui...
[22:13] <habermann24> is update-manager a gui?
[22:13] <James147> habermann24: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[22:13] <habermann24> aah
[22:14] <penguin42> habermann24: Then you can change all the jaunty's to karmic in /etc/apt/sources.list and do an apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:14] <habermann24> i understand that it is alpha software..probably stable in november?? ... but how are your experiences so far?
[22:15] <habermann24> chances are it will brake my mdadm raid??
[22:15] <habermann24> break
[22:15] <penguin42> habermann24: Mine are pretty good, but there are people who have problems
[22:15] <James147> habermann24: if the server is important to you for every day use then i would advise waiting untill it becomes stable
[22:15] <causa-prima> i joined pulse and pulse-access, logged out, nothing changed
[22:16] <causa-prima> still no sound
[22:16] <habermann24> James147: ...hmm yea, i know.. it is tempting though :D
[22:16] <James147> habermann24: if you dont mind reinstalling jaunty again if it fails then try it if you dare :)
[22:16] <habermann24> James147: i dont care about that..unless it destroys my software raid somehow
[22:16]  * penguin42 is curious about the -s option on update manager for 'Test upgrade with a sandbox aufs overlay'
[22:16] <yofel> causa-prima: since pa is running per session now and not as a deamon you don't need to be in any groups afaik, check paman and padevchooser if anything is muted somewhere
[22:17] <habermann24> James147: i actually just eagerly want to try the new KVM stuff
[22:17] <James147> habermann24: so far i have upgraded my laptop, my desktop will be upgraded nearer beta or rc (depending on how long i can be bothered to wait) and my server wont be untill a few weeks after its released
[22:18] <habermann24> on the website it says going to be released october 29th?
[22:18] <habermann24> so it should be quite usable already?
[22:18] <James147> habermann24: you could try dual booting your server if you want to test it out... but thats not the best option... or backing up the entire system first
[22:18] <habermann24> really the only thing thats on there is KVM and samba...
[22:18] <James147> habermann24: it should be, but alot of ppl have had it break over the past few days
[22:18] <habermann24> so
[22:19] <causa-prima> pengui42: paman --> sinks says "auto_null       Dummy Output"
[22:20] <penguin42> causa-prima: Weird - is there anything /var/log/user.log to indicate what's up?
[22:21] <causa-prima> Sep 23 23:02:39 causa-prima dmraid-activate: ERROR: Cannot retrieve RAID set information for pdc_bggjceiej
[22:21] <causa-prima> Sep 23 23:14:22 causa-prima pulseaudio[3110]: pid.c: Stale PID file, overwriting.
[22:21] <causa-prima> don't know what that means. but nothing else is there
[22:22] <penguin42> doesn't look relevant
[22:22] <penguin42> causa-prima: does /dev/snd exist?
[22:22] <causa-prima> Sep 21 12:37:28 causa-prima pulseaudio[1738]: alsa-sink.c: ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but there was actually nothing to write!
[22:22] <causa-prima> Sep 21 12:37:28 causa-prima pulseaudio[1738]: alsa-sink.c: Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_hda_intel'. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers.
[22:22] <causa-prima> Sep 21 12:37:28 causa-prima pulseaudio[1738]: alsa-sink.c: We were woken up with POLLOUT set -- however a subsequent snd_pcm_avail() returned 0 or another value < min_avail.
[22:23] <penguin42> I get the nothing to write stuff as well - but note that was 2 days ago
[22:23] <causa-prima> pengui42: /dev/snd does exist
[22:23] <penguin42> causa-prima: try, cat /bin/ls > /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[22:24] <penguin42> oh, it doesn't let you do that anyway
[22:24] <causa-prima> causa-prima@causa-prima:~$ sudo cat /bin/ls > /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[22:24] <causa-prima> bash: /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: Permission denied
[22:24] <penguin42> how boring
[22:24] <penguin42> ls -l of that?
[22:24] <causa-prima> causa-prima@causa-prima:~$ sudo cat /bin/ls -l > /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[22:24] <causa-prima> bash: /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: Permission denied
[22:25] <penguin42> no, I mean ls -l /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[22:25] <Cynthia> sudo bash -c "cat /bin/ls > /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p"
[22:25] <penguin42> Cynthia: No, that's not the point
[22:25] <causa-prima> causa-prima@causa-prima:~$ ls -l /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[22:25] <causa-prima> ls: Zugriff auf /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p nicht möglich: No such file or directory
[22:26] <causa-prima> "Zugriff nicht möglich" means "access not possible"
[22:26] <penguin42> what's in /dev/snd - please put it into a pastebin rather than paste it all here
[22:26] <Cynthia> Hello. The Update Manager's Check button now doesn't ask for a password on Karmic alpha updated as of yesterday, but now the "Updating cache" window is not resizeable and doesn't show all the text it should.
[22:26] <Cynthia> Picture: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/Looce/img-launchpad/partial-aptdaemon-bitrate.png
[22:27] <causa-prima> in /dev/snd there is only a folder called "by-path" containing a link to "pci-0000:00:1b.0"
[22:27] <Cynthia> What should I file this against? update-manager, aptdaemon or other?
[22:27] <penguin42> causa-prima: That's odd - there should be a whole bunch of files in there from the sound
[22:27] <causa-prima> :D
[22:28] <causa-prima> what can i do?
[22:28] <penguin42> causa-prima: Report a bug!
[22:28] <causa-prima> that's not the answer i hoped for.
[22:28] <causa-prima> ;)
[22:29] <penguin42> causa-prima: I'd also look through dmesg to see if there are any sound like errors
[22:29] <causa-prima> where exactly shoulkd i report this bug?
[22:29] <penguin42> launchpad.net/ubuntu
[22:29] <causa-prima> [   13.583521] HDA Intel 0000:00:1b.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 22 (level, low) -> IRQ 22
[22:29] <causa-prima> [   13.583577] HDA Intel 0000:00:1b.0: setting latency timer to 64
[22:29] <causa-prima> [   13.622108] hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC883, trying auto-probe from BIOS.
[22:30] <penguin42> causa-prima: Please don't paste lots here - that's what pastebin is for
[22:30] <causa-prima> but i already foun that, seems like anyone has this :D
[22:31] <causa-prima> okay. i will write a bug report and hope taht someone's gonna help me fast.
[22:31] <janhouse> Hi! I was wondering when is there going to be made theme that has rounded corners for menus, windows, etc.
[22:31] <janhouse> I think you should patch up gnome to do something like that, right?
[22:31] <rski> or just use another theme :p
[22:31] <penguin42> janhouse: Should be able to do it in a theme
[22:31] <penguin42> janhouse: I bet there is one already
[22:32] <Cynthia> janhouse: there ought to be a usable theme for that already on art.gnome.org
[22:32] <janhouse> there are many themes that has rounded corners for top of the window
[22:32] <janhouse> but bottom still looks bad
[22:32] <penguin42> janhouse: Try 'newwave' or nuvola
[22:32] <Cynthia> janhouse: The Human theme in Ubuntu has rounded corners for bottoms of windows.
[22:32] <janhouse> and what about right mouse menus and main menu?
[22:33] <Cynthia> janhouse: What's the point of this question?
[22:34] <janhouse> Human theme looks good :)
[22:34] <Cynthia> Do you want a round theme in Ubuntu? (there is one, but it doesn't fulfill the main menu rounded criterion) Do you want a rounded theme? (art.gnome.org ought to have one)
[22:34] <habermann24> is it true that the 9.10 release will be out october 29th???
[22:34] <BleSS> I need configure dm-crypt using options that doesn't come with alternate installer (i.e. serpent-xts), does this has changed whith the last alpha?
[22:34] <janhouse> but still, someone could make it possible to round corners of menus a bit :)
[22:34] <Cynthia> !schedule | habermann24
[22:35] <rski> habermann24: seems so
[22:35] <habermann24> cool stuff!
[22:35] <Cynthia> With the latest Karmic repository update, there's a Get Themes Online linkbutton in System > Preferences > Appearance
[22:36] <janhouse> ok, cool :)
[22:36] <janhouse> thx
[22:36] <Cynthia> I haven't gone out of my way to install an art.gnome.org theme before though
[22:36] <darthanubis> thats cool
[22:37] <sven_oostenbrink> On ubuntu 9.10, openoffice is frrreeeeaaaakkkiiissshhllyy slow with the file requester window.. CTRL-o, shows a grey window, no controls, mouse shows clock... 10 seconds later, it shows the files.. Then scrolling through those files sometimes makes the system freeze up for 10 seconds (entire latop stops responding).. Anybody else has this problem?
[22:38] <darthanubis> KDE4 has that easy ability to add new themes and add ons via download from within the app. I thought that might be a good idea for Gnome as well. Nice to hear it made it into the UI.
[22:38] <Cynthia> sven_oostenbrink: All OpenOffice.org applications or just one? With which did you test?
[22:39] <darthanubis> Everytime someone claim X or Z to be slow I can't help but roll me eyes. I never experience such "slowness". Nor does my computer ever "freeze".
[22:39] <sven_oostenbrink> Cynthia: well actually, all apps.. and thinking about it, OO always has been very sluggish, specially with the file requester window..  9.04 was not much different IIRC
[22:39] <sven_oostenbrink> darthanubis: Wanna switch laptops? :)
[22:39] <Cynthia> sven_oostenbrink: cannot reproduce here
[22:39]  * darthanubis case in point
[22:39] <sven_oostenbrink> darthanubis: Happy to help out on that one..
[22:39] <darthanubis> sven_oostenbrink: how much RAM your laptop have?
[22:39] <sven_oostenbrink> 2,5GB
[22:40] <darthanubis> nice
[22:40] <darthanubis> mine only has 1.5
[22:40] <sven_oostenbrink> dualcore 1.83GB core2 CPU
[22:40] <sven_oostenbrink> eh
[22:40] <darthanubis> sweet
[22:40] <sven_oostenbrink> 1.83GHz.. :)
[22:40] <darthanubis> mine is a Celeron lol
[22:40] <darthanubis> It has always like ubuntu
[22:40] <sven_oostenbrink> so its not like my lap is slow (even though it has a bunch of servers running as well, being a development laptop)
[22:41] <darthanubis> your running servers or your lappy?
[22:41] <sven_oostenbrink> Nothign is slow here (X has been in alpha 4)
[22:41] <Cynthia> sven_oostenbrink: Is there 100% disk activity when opening the File/Open dialog?
[22:41] <sven_oostenbrink> darthanubis: yeah, but only local... nothing weird, apache, mysql, etc.. system load is .50, RAM usage is normal, no swap, etc..
[22:41] <Cynthia> (Possible source: damaged blocks on hard drive)
[22:41] <sven_oostenbrink> Cynthia: nope.. No disc activity at all
[22:42] <darthanubis> sven_oostenbrink: cool:)
[22:42] <Cynthia> Live CD or actual install? (It never hurts to ask)
[22:42] <sven_oostenbrink> Cynthia: if thats so, why is any other file requester wroking normal? dolphin is normal, konqueror is normal, bash is normal..
[22:42] <Cynthia> sven_oostenbrink: OpenOffice.org uses Java internally I believe
[22:42] <sven_oostenbrink> Cynthia: 9.04 live CD install, upgraded to 9.10 (and very happy about it since 9.04 was a bit botched up..)
[22:42] <Cynthia> if your Java runtime is GCJ, it can slow things down
[22:43] <sven_oostenbrink> Cynthia: so it may help switching to the sun java VM?
[22:43] <Cynthia> It may
[22:43] <sven_oostenbrink> I have multiple JRE's installed yeah
[22:43] <sven_oostenbrink> that may make a difference yeah
[22:43] <Cynthia> Though first, do this: Bring up a System Monitor applet and then try File/Open again
[22:43] <Cynthia> The System Monitor applet has CPU activity by default, so leave it like that. See if the whole height of the applet becomes blue.
[22:44] <sven_oostenbrink> Cynthia: I'll try, hold on
[22:45] <sven_oostenbrink> Cynthia: nah, CPU usage stays low for OO, but it keeps being sluggish
[22:46] <Kazik_> hi, i've got small problem with my inspiron 1545.. when I boot ubuntu from my pendrive, it allows me to enable closed drivers (broadcom) from system->adm->hw drivers... but when I install it on hdd, it can't find any proprietary drivers... any idea how can i do this?
[22:46] <Cynthia> sven_oostenbrink: try running "gdb openoffice.org" in the console, then type "run -writer"
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> !broadcom | Kazik_
[22:47] <Kazik_> thanks
[22:47] <Cynthia> sven_oostenbrink: then in the interface that appears, try File/Open; return to the console, press Ctrl+C, then type "thread apply all backtrace" and copy-paste the whole output on paste.ubuntu.com
[22:47] <Cynthia> importantly, the File/Open must not be complete when you press Ctrl+C
[22:48] <Cynthia> it must be in this "sluggish waiting state" that you describe
[22:49] <sven_oostenbrink> Cynthia: Just tried it, gives me : "/usr/bin/openoffice.org": not in executable format: File format not recognized
[22:50] <sven_oostenbrink> Cynthia: its a symlink to ooffice, which is a shell script that executes /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice
[22:50] <sven_oostenbrink> so I tried gdb /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice, but then the run -writer gives me : No executable file specified.
[22:51] <dk_> hey...
[22:51] <dk_> any people have bug with server X?
[22:52] <dk_> i cant start gnome
[22:52] <sven_oostenbrink> Cynthia: Gotta create a report, I'll be back later on the subject.. meanwhile, if you could leave me a pointer on how to fix this gdb thing, I'd appreciate it lots
[22:52] <dk_> well...
[22:52] <dk_> ?
[22:54] <Cynthia> sven_oostenbrink: I'm trying
[22:55] <Cynthia> sven_oostenbrink: use "/usr/lib/openoffice/program/swriter" instead, no arguments to "run"
[22:56] <sven_oostenbrink> Cynthia: okay, I'll try it in a bit, right now I have to finish some reports
[22:56] <Cynthia> sven_oostenbrink: ok. I'm filling out a bug report too, myself
[22:57] <sven_oostenbrink> Cynthia: the /usr/lib/openoffice/program/swriter also fails by the way, its a bash script
[22:59] <Cynthia> sven_oostenbrink: well that's always nice.
[22:59] <sven_oostenbrink> Cynthia: got it running! :)
[23:00] <Cynthia> gdb /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin ; arguments are -writer
[23:00] <Cynthia> ok
[23:00] <sven_oostenbrink> Cynthia: got lots of "no debuging symbols found"
[23:01] <sven_oostenbrink> Cynthia: crap, then when the interface comes up... Program exited normally.
[23:01] <penguin42> sven_oostenbrink: There are separate debug pacakges - some are in the main repo and some are separate - I can't remember where
[23:01] <Cynthia> they're in the debug archive, it's a PPA I think
[23:01] <Cynthia> or ddebs.archive
[23:02] <Cynthia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[23:02] <Cynthia> it's detailed there
[23:03] <djdarkman> I have a netbook that was upgraded from karmic, and I still see the old usplash, do I need to remove that somehow?
[23:03] <sven_oostenbrink> Cynthia: okay, I'll look into it later, right now I really really... :)
[23:03] <penguin42> deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com karmic main restricted universe multiverse
[23:03] <Cynthia> sven_oostenbrink: I understand :P
[23:09] <Cynthia> I can't file my bug anyway, Launchpad is in read-only mode for the next hour
[23:11] <penguin42> hmph - and that's when all the fun bugs will emerge :-)
[23:20] <djdarkman> does someone know where does GRUB2 keep it's menu list fileS?
[23:21] <jpds> djdarkman: It's genernated from the files at /etc/grub.d
[23:23] <djdarkman> jpds: and do you know where can I set up the delay?
[23:23] <djdarkman> it seems to be 2 seconds
[23:23] <djdarkman> and I want just 1
[23:23] <jpds> djdarkman: /etc/default/grub
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> djdarkman: the one used is /boot/grub/grub.cfg but it is generated using the stuff in /etc/grub.d and /etc/defaul/grub file
[23:23] <djdarkman> thank you very much
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> djdarkman: you can edit the file but it will change next time sudo update-grub is ran
[23:24] <Kazik_> I tried your solution regarding broadcom bcm4312 on inspiron 1545, and doesn't seems to work.. I can see now driver to enable in sys->adm->hw dr, but even enabled, no chance to make it run... (without ndswrapper)  also doesn't work ethernet controller by Marvell 88e8052 PCI -E ASF Gigabit ethernet controller... maybe something for it?
[23:31] <NoCode> Is sound still messed up in Karmic for the Intel 82801H?
[23:33] <BUGabundo> want to laugh?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/file/+bug/248619/comments/2 Will Not Print On Tuesday
[23:36] <IdleOne> So that bug is only effective on Tuesday?
[23:36] <IdleOne> shame I do all my printing on Tuesday
[23:36] <Kazik_> guys, is there any default password for sudo, when i run ubuntu as live-cd?
[23:36] <IdleOne> guess I'll have to quit my job now
[23:37] <Cynthia> Kazik_: there is none, just press Enter
[23:37] <James147> Kazik_: There is no password on hte live cd
[23:37] <IdleOne> hmmm I don't have a job to quit :(
[23:37] <Kazik_> strange... when i was trying to enable restricted drivers it asks me for password... :/
[23:37] <IdleOne> Kazik_: hit enter
[23:38] <Kazik_> thanks, i've tried that one what I've got on main hdd install.. ;]
[23:39] <compintuit> Whoah, latest updates made shut off take 3 secs!
[23:43] <Kazik_> btw i'm experiencing about 50% decrease in my intel i945gm chipset with Ubuntu 9.10 to 9.04 with kernel 2.30... (on my second laptop) :/
[23:49] <BUGabundo> taking a look at Ubuntu Software Store... looks nice, but wait: its Webkit logo as Internet LOLOL
[23:49] <Dai> so which one is experiencing regressions?
[23:55] <Cynthia> aptdaemon requires two PolicyKit authentications to work
[23:55] <Cynthia> and it has a "placeholder icon" to the left of Applying changes
[23:58] <JanC> software store lacks keyboard navigation?
[23:59] <Cynthia> JanC: looks like it, yes
[23:59] <JanC> not entirely, but it's not very usable without a mouse...