[00:00] penguin42: its crashing on "install grub 2" [00:00] kl_: how would i do that, is there a guide? [00:00] (Does anyone know of a wiki/instructions to point pandabear at for describing his hardware) [00:01] pandabear: Oh right then - grub it is; what's your hardware? [00:01] penguin42: q6600, intel dp35dp mobo, anything else you need to know? [00:01] pandabear: yes there is a guide. [00:01] pandabear: Sounds fairly normal - any USB devices other than keyboard/mouse? [00:01] penguin42 I can actually use the "keyboard" applet to configure my keyboard to evdev, lets see if it works though, im going to reboot my xserver and see what happens, brb [00:02] penguin42: i'm installing off a usb drive [00:02] kl_: link pls? [00:02] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351 [00:03] * penguin42 is curious about the evdev thing - what is that? If people are supposed to use that to deal with al lthis then why does the GUI still use other layouts? [00:03] kl_: it fails on the first step: ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo grub sudo: grub: command not found [00:03] pandabear: Because you have grub2 now [00:03] Are you on the live cd? [00:04] kl_: yes [00:04] oooo, is it possible? [00:04] has my jittering gedit been fixed? [00:04] pandabear: cool [00:05] * cwillu_at_work does a happy dance [00:05] * cwillu_at_work realizes he's at work, and sits down. [00:05] pandabear: if you scroll down a bit there is another method [00:05] btw, what happened to xvid codecs in medibuntu for karmic [00:05] kl_: the recover grub2 method? [00:05] pandabear: Which require you to chroot into your system [00:05] uni4dfx, you'd need to talk to medibuntu for that, it's not an ubuntu project afaik [00:06] uni4dfx, that said, you can probably use the jaunty medibuntu repository just fine [00:06] k, just thought someone might know [00:06] (presuming you need something beyond what ubuntu-restricted-extras gives you [00:07] pandabear: so make a folder /media/root [00:08] kl_: this is what is in the grub entry now http://pastebin.ca/1575859 [00:08] kl_: is that normal? [00:09] pandabear: And what is in your /boot/grub/grub.cfg? [00:09] kl_: nothing [00:10] pandabear: Not good [00:10] kl_: what can i do to fix it? === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [00:12] pandabear: you need to update it with update-grub command. But you need to mount your harddisk first [00:12] kl_: i already did sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt [00:13] kl_: i did sudo update-grub and now /boot/gurb/gurb.cfg is full of text [00:14] pandabear: You are fast. But that is good. Tink you can past it? [00:14] kl_: sure one sec [00:16] kl_: http://pastebin.ca/1575867 [00:16] penguin42, I found the problem, it's the "alt" to the right of my spacebar, the "alt" key to the left of my spacebar works as expected [00:17] pandabear: Well time to install grub to your mbr [00:17] mezquitale: whats wrong with altgr? [00:17] mezquitale: Ah, that's normal - the one to the right is often called alt-gr [00:17] kl_: grub-install /dev/sda? [00:18] pandabear: grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda [00:18] kl_: that exact command? [00:18] pandabear: yea [00:19] kl_: done, reboot now? [00:19] maco, when I press the right "alt" key in an application it does nothing, suppose I want to go to the "edit" menu, usually I press "alt-e" but it's not working with the "alt" key to the right of my spacebar, the "alt" key to the left of my keyboard works as expected [00:19] pandabear: assuming that sda1 is / [00:19] kl_: it is [00:19] mezquitale: ah ok. thats because the right alt is for changing keyboard [00:19] mezquitale: its AltGr. press it and e at the same time and youre typing é [00:19] kl_: reboot time? [00:19] pandabear: good it should give you a message [00:19] at least if youre using international keyboard [00:20] pandabear: Like Installation finished [00:20] kl_: http://pastebin.ca/1575871 [00:20] maco, I press the right "alt" key and e and I get a normal "e" [00:21] kl_: does that mean sdb and sdc will be mounted at startup too? [00:21] pandabear: you need to set those in fstab [00:21] let me reboot into redmond and see if the right "alt" key works, brb [00:21] mezquitale: is your right alt set to "compose" or "third level chooser" in keyboard settings? [00:21] ooook then [00:21] pandabear: but before you boot we need to see if /dev/sda1 is bootable [00:22] kl_: sure, how [00:22] pandabear: So fdisk -l [00:22] pandabear: if you see a * (asterisk) then it should be fine [00:22] kl_: cannot open /proc/partitions [00:22] pandabear: with sudo? [00:23] kl_: this is running under "root@ubuntu" [00:23] pandabear: just try with sudo. It sometimes messed up [00:23] kl_: same result [00:24] pandabear: strange you are not chrooting.. [00:25] pandabear: Well do you have a jaunty live cd? [00:25] kl_: yea, but this PC has no cd drive, and currently running off a usb drive, so i need to get it installed :s [00:26] kl_: when i use chroot, should the username that comes up be the one of the installed system or the livecd under root? [00:26] pandabear: It will chroot as root [00:27] kl_: but root on the livecd or root on the installed system? [00:27] pandabear: root on the installed system [00:28] kl_: its using root@ubuntu, but the hostname i set for the system is "pandabear@linux" [00:28] pandabear: Let us try to chroot the system to check if that one is working. [00:28] kl_: sure, how do i do that? [00:28] pandabear: mount -t sysfs none /mnt/sys [00:28] pandabear: mount -t proc none /mnt/proc [00:29] kl_: mount: mount point /mnt/sys does not exist [00:29] type ls /mnt [00:29] only boot [00:30] maco, how can I make the "alt" key to the right of my spacebar behave just like the "alt" key to the left of my spacebar??? [00:30] kl_: only boot [00:30] mezquitale: is your right alt set to "compose" or "third level chooser" in keyboard settings? [00:30] mezquitale: if so, unset that, maybe? [00:30] pandabear: What do you have in /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc? [00:31] kl_: sdb is a storage drive with just files, sdc is the usb drive i'm booting from [00:31] pandabear: You have other partitions other than /dev/sda1 like /dev/sda2? === Darren is now known as Guest637 [00:32] maco do you know under what menu I can find those options?? [00:33] kl_: in gparted sda2 says extended and sda5 is under sda2 and says swap [00:34] pandabear: does it say that sda1 is bootable? See under flag [00:35] kl_: nope, and under mount point sda1 says "/mnt, /target" [00:35] pandabear: can you umount /mnt [00:36] kl_: how? [00:36] pandabear: umount /mnt [00:37] kl_: umount: /mnt: not mounted [00:37] mezquitale: system -> preferences -> keyboard [00:38] maco I found it, I unchecked it, do I need to reboot my machine to enable it [00:38] pandabear: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt [00:38] mezquitale: *might* need to log out. go try it and if t doesnt work, log out &in [00:38] kl_: done [00:38] pandabear: ls /mnt [00:39] Maco under "Key to Choose 3rd level" I unclicked "right alt", that's what I was supposed to do, right? [00:39] mezquitale: yeah sounds right [00:39] maco, ok im going torestart my xserver and see what happens, brb [00:40] pandabear: What do you see? [00:40] kl_: bin boot cdrom dev etc home initrd.img lib lost+found media mnt opt proc root sbin selinux srv sys tmp usr var vmlinuz [00:41] pandabear: mount -t sysfs none /mnt/sys [00:41] kl_: done [00:41] mount -t proc none /mnt/proc [00:42] mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev [00:42] pandabear: mount --bind /dev/pts /mnt/dev/pts [00:42] kl_: the first 2 before? [00:43] pandabear: mount -o bind /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/etc/resolv.conf [00:43] pandabear: Do those too [00:43] kl_: i'm sorry, all of the commands after i wrote "done"? [00:43] pandabear: yes [00:44] pandabear: You need them too [00:44] kl_: done [00:45] pandabear: mount -t sysfs none /mnt/sys [00:45] mount -t proc none /mnt/proc [00:45] mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/dev [00:45] mount --bind /dev/pts /mnt/dev/pts [00:45] mount -o bind /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/etc/resolv.conf [00:45] pandabear: That is all of them [00:45] pandabear: Then chroot /mnt [00:45] kl_: root@ubuntu:/# mount -t sysfs none /mnt/sys mount: none already mounted or /mnt/sys busy mount: according to mtab, none is already mounted on /mnt/sys [00:46] pandabear: I just rewrote it for clarity [00:46] pandabear: Did you type chroot /mnt ? [00:46] kl_: yes [00:47] pandabear: The name should change to something like root@xxx [00:47] kl_: still root@ubuntu [00:47] pandabear: ok [00:47] pandabear: we are going to update your system so you will not get any problems [00:48] pandabear: apt-get update [00:48] kl_: sure [00:48] pandabear: apt-get dist-upgrade [00:48] kl_: Failed to open connection to "system" message bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory E: Problem executing scripts APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success '/usr/bin/dbus-send --system --dest=org.debian.apt --type=signal /org/debian/apt org.debian.apt.CacheChanged' E: Sub-process returned an error code [00:48] maco, I found the answer! "Alt and Meta are on the Alt keys" under "Alt/Win Behavior" [00:49] pandabear: Well then you know that your karmic is broken :) [00:49] kl_: great :D [00:51] kl_: what should i do now? [00:51] pandabear: Well you could try to download and install something else. it is alpha released [00:51] kl_: i guess :( [00:53] pandabear: Alpha6 is very unstable for some system [00:53] pandabear: If you really want to test out then you could try out a daily cd image [00:53] kl_: you think this will be fixed for final? [00:53] pandabear: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ [00:54] pandabear: That is likely. [00:54] ok, ty for your time kl_ :) [00:55] pandabear: No problems [00:55] pandabear: I gotta go sleep now [00:56] kl_: night night :) [00:56] how can i limit my own pc....? i m using ubuntu [00:56] when is karmic going to be released? [00:58] october [00:59] is there a specific date for it? [01:01] check the release schedule? [01:07] i cannot seem to encode mp3s with any program (lame, sox, ecasound) no matter what i install from synaptic [01:07] what am i missing? [01:14] does the keyserver time out for anyone else at the moment? [01:15] thanks [01:26] hello alpha friends [01:27] an update within the last 2 hours housed my system, my touchpad no longer works, compiz is fried and x's responsiveness is dropped down by 10x [01:27] hosed* [01:27] is there anyway to revert? [01:27] a recent update... [01:27] I cannot use my laptop mouse... === YDdraigGoch is now known as Richie [02:04] hi [02:04] someone please help me revert [02:04] everything was perfect, then my last update flushed my mouse, x and compiz [02:04] help [02:06] zebrafusion: Best to figure out what packages were updated and then work from there to determine what broke [02:06] * Crashbit pira pal sobre [02:06] Pici: I was hoping there was a more elegent solution [02:06] that hurts my head thinking about [02:12] im having a crisis i dont know if i want to go back to jaunty or stickk with karmic there are a few things i cant do i n karmic that i could in jaunty [02:12] !bug [02:12] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » If that fails, you can report bugs manually at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [02:12] webbb82: take a deep breath amigo [02:13] i dunno [02:14] i love how karmic is but i cant get gnome do docky to work rite [02:15] webbb82: too late amigo I'm in the same boat [02:15] we're just along for the ride now [02:16] lol [02:16] is alpha6 worth following the upgrade instructions/ [02:17] FloridaGuy: trust the source [02:18] hi folks, i could use some help with installing to a pair of drives with raid and lvm. i read that grub2 can handle this setup (i think). i don't have a problem partitioning and getting that part set up, however, what i don't know is where/how to install the boot loader. my drives are sda and sdb. i've got swaps in sda1 and sdb1 and the raid goes across sda2/sdb2. where do i specify that the bootloader goes? [02:19] zebrafusion, i was reading it on .... http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha6 ....im in 9.04 right now [02:21] funkyHat: What do you mean? Are you asking if you should upgrade or if you should follow the directions when you upgrade? [02:21] is it worth upgradeing from 9.04 to alpha6 right now [02:22] Update Manager is offering me a partial upgrade; is this safe? [02:22] FloridaGuy: If you're not comfortable with fixing a potentially broken system or logging bugs, then no. [02:24] Pici, fixing broken systems...still do that in 9.04 from time to time [02:33] is it normal that you need to enter your password to see if there is anymore updates available by hitting the "check" button but if you wait you can see the new available updates without the password [02:35] (in other words the package list gets updated in the background automatically but you can't ask it to update it on demand without the password) [02:38] hi [02:38] if i reconnect my mouse it won't "react".. (won't move, won't click, etc.) [02:38] after today's updates [02:38] anyone with same problem? [02:39] afv, what type of mouse ? usb ? ps2? [02:39] usb [02:39] ID 045e:0040 Microsoft Corp. Wheel Mouse Optical [02:40] did you check dmesg? [02:40] [31643.230354] usb 3-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5 [02:40] [31643.402339] usb 3-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [02:40] [31643.420777] input: Microsoft Microsoft 3-Button Mouse with IntelliEye(TM) as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.1/usb3/3-1/3-1:1.0/input/input13 [02:40] [31643.420968] generic-usb 0003:045E:0040.0004: input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Microsoft Microsoft 3-Button Mouse with IntelliEye(TM)] on usb-0000:00:1d.1-1/input0 [02:40] afv: please use http://paste.ubuntu.com/ in the future for >3-line pastes [02:40] >3-line, ok :) [02:40] * Lars_G floats thorough [02:40] well, >= 3 [02:41] sure :p [02:42] so many updates... the developers are staying busy [02:42] test34: the last update manager run here said it had 106 updates, but 4 were unchecked, and partial upgrades have caused problems earlier in the alpha cycle [02:43] earlier today, that was 92 updates :D [02:43] I had 190 [02:43] last time was yesterday [02:43] I updated last night before going to bed [02:43] ah [02:43] so I should not restart? [02:44] you might have problems if you do [02:44] ok thanks [02:45] I guess I'll take the chance.. I have my boot cd handy.. [02:45] brb [02:46] i got this at dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/276172/ [02:48] test34, i got this at dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/276172/ [02:48] it seems to work fine for me but I still get a few errors at boot like: fsck.ntfs not found, problems enumerating USB devices [02:50] sorry I don't know afv [02:51] ok. thanks [02:53] it seems my suspend brokeness steems from acpi [02:53] me thinks the acpi lid state is not working well [03:10] i've got my raid and lvm set up, but i don't know how to get grub2 going with this setup. can anyone help? [03:10] test34: I had to wait a bit for my sudo privilege to drop, but I attempted your Update Manager check thing, and it didn't download the new package list before getting back to Reading state information [03:11] test34: did you cancel, or enter a wrong password? [03:15] Cynthia, what I mean is that if I do: System - Administration - Update Manager - Check, then it ask for the password, but if I go to System - Administration - Update Manager without hitting "check", I can see the available updates from the automated updated package list without entering any passwords... you would think it would also let you update the database manually without any password (using the "check" button) [03:15] test34: oh, you mean like the daily update check or whatever? [03:16] test34: the apt package list has to be locked and updated by root, and the daily update check runs as root too [03:19] yes the problem I think might be that it is not asking for any password for the automatic daily update? [03:19] or the problem could also be that it is asking for a password for the manual update (System - Administration - Update Manager - Check) [03:20] test34: it wouldn't know where to ask the password, or to whom: on a console or on the GUI? to all admins or to just one? [03:20] shouldnt they both be the same [03:20] both ask for a password or both dont ask (they is no security risk I think) [03:20] so the daily update check runs under cron, and is added by an administrator (the password check is done when you open the Software Sources dialog) [03:21] cron runs under root, which solves that part [03:21] ok [03:21] the automatic update doesn't need a password because it's run as root [03:21] i keep trying to install amarok but i get this error amarok-utils: [03:21] Depends: libtag-extras0 but it is not going to be installed [03:21] I know it's inconsistent, but both do need a password check [03:22] actually, AptDaemon & PackageKit might make it possible to update the package list without a password... [03:23] and if you want to fiddle with your system, 'sudo apt-get update' can be passwordless too ;) [03:23] it would be good to ask for a password to do the actual update [03:25] you can't ask for passwords for automatic package list updates [03:25] Woot, 111 updates and no partiaul upgrade now [03:25] why would synaptic sayn this amarok: [03:25] Depends: amarok-utils but it is not going to be installed [03:25] Depends: libtag-extras0 but it is not going to be installed [03:25] because then they won't be automatic anymore ;) [03:25] webbb82, do a dist-upgrade [03:26] i already did [03:26] then do a regular one [03:26] apt-get upgrade? [03:26] I'd suggest to just wait [03:26] yes [03:26] JanC, you are right, so I think a user should be allowed to update the package list if he is able to see it after its been automatically updated [03:27] Reading state information... Done [03:27] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [03:27] brian@aspire:~$ [03:27] both and nothing to upgrade [03:27] test34: like I said, AptDaemon & the PackageKit daemon could do that (with the help of PolicyKit) [03:28] webbb82: just wait [03:28] just wait?? for what [03:28] webbb82: looks like packages are building but not all of them are uploaded yet [03:28] oh [03:28] JanC, I guess I'll file a bug then [03:29] not all published, not uploaded [03:29] so, parts of a new Amarok are on the server and others not [03:29] bjsnider: also possible ;) [03:29] i get it thanks i was going insane trying to figure out what was going on [03:29] how long have you got that message? [03:30] today [03:30] all day? hours? [03:30] 20 hours [03:30] well, that's not the issue then [03:30] and what mirror do you use... [03:30] it doesn't take that long [03:30] i dunno [03:30] bjsnider: unless they are separate source packages and one FTBFS [03:30] try using main [03:31] anyway, when testing karmic, I always use the main central servers from Canonical [03:32] i had some other ppa's in my source list i took them off and ill try again [03:32] I use the closest mirror option [03:32] it can take awhile for stuff to filter down to the mirrors [03:32] I know, but I'm patient :) [03:32] you're a patient? [03:33] no, i'm a patient [03:33] At which hospital? [03:33] it works fine for the stable distro, because there are so few updates [03:34] at the one they send you to when all of the others reject you [03:34] Yeah. But I don't encounter many showstopping bugs anymore, in a6 [03:34] if they update the mirror daily, and do so in the middle of an update of the main server... ;) [03:34] i think i fixed it i took off these other karmic ppas and then did the upgrade and then it found a bunch to upgrade [03:35] webbb82: heh, you had Amarok-related PPAs? [03:35] yes :( [03:35] im not a noob anymore but close enough to where i still do dumb noob stuff lol [03:35] ah, that's often a source of problems, just remove them or if that doesn't help, remove the application with problems [03:36] i was trying to get a amarok addon that would let me synch my zen mp3 player to amarok [03:36] hm [03:37] * JanC tries not to rant about stupid crappy hardware ;) [03:37] zen? [03:38] also, what does "sync" mean? [03:38] Synchronise [03:38] ok so i got a dumb question if i were to take off all my extra sources and then did a apt-get upgrade would it take me back to a fresh install,, more or less [03:38] I.e. put the files from a playlist, or amarok library, onto the player [03:38] if I want to sync my music collection to an MP3-player, it would need 300 MiB storage space? ;) [03:38] synch as in let amarok read my zen mp3 player [03:39] that's not the common definition of synchronising, but ok :o [03:39] sync sorry [03:39] eh, 300 GiB I mean [03:40] synch is usually both ways? [03:40] is anyone here into packaging python packages? i have a couple of debian-build/python questions [03:40] webb82 no but there's a ppa-purge script in some ppas [03:40] yes test34, but those with iPods have gotten used to their player not being able to sync back with the hard drive even if the iPod would be good storage [03:41] to start off with, how do you tell it to use your gpg-agent? i'm using debhelper.mk and python-distutils.mk in my rules file [03:41] webbb82: media players should support plain "USB Mass Storage" protocol, so that they work with any application (including nautilus & konqueror etc.) [03:41] JanC, many do [03:41] second, when i run dch -i, it labels the change with my first name only, when DEBFULLNAME is set to my full name? [03:42] but probably not the apple's players [03:42] if i don't manually fix it every time i run dch -i, of course, it can't find my secret key (which is listed with my full name in my keyring) [03:42] test34: I know, it's only crappy hardware from Creative, Apple & Microsoft that doesn't :P [03:42] JanC, crippled ;| [03:42] crappy too [03:43] yes [03:43] they don't even play Vorbis ;) [03:43] crappy because of crippling [03:43] also, MFen: how do you tell *what* to use your gpg-agent? [03:43] while several 10 USD made in China devices do :P [03:43] Cynthia: dpkg-buildpackage seems to be the command that does the signing, so that [03:44] i know there are command line arguments, but python-distutils.mk doesn't set them. [03:44] JanC, but they only last a few months.. mostly all hardware suck one way or the other [03:44] test34: I've had my non-AppleMicrosoftCreative player for about 3 years, it has seen my floor quite a few times :) [03:45] test34: COWON iAudio device support Ogg Vorbis/Flac well, and they win every audio quality competition over Apple/Creative/etc. [03:45] MFen, try using debuild -S -sa [03:45] and they are probably not the only ones [03:45] Cynthia, lucky you I had to buy a a few players in the last 3 years [03:45] JanC, I'll give it a try then [03:47] test34: and buying a 10 USD el cheapo device every year still beats 150 USD useless Apple thing ;) [03:47] (financially) [03:47] bjsnider: thanks, trying that now [03:48] yeah, building without a key might help to avoid that problem... ;) [03:49] JanC, the $10 device you are talking about is not a COWON iAudio right? [03:49] he can't if he wants to send it into a ppa, but he can if he just wants to use a local pbuilder or something [03:49] JanC: but then the package can't be authenticated [03:49] oh [03:49] i want it for a ppa. :) -sa is not gonna work then [03:49] test34: obviously, COWON is korean and not cheap [03:50] MFen, yes it will [03:50] test34: but they just work, have all the features you want, and support about a zillion formats ;) [03:50] is your key on the ubuntu keyring? [03:50] no [03:50] have you set up the ppa yet? [03:50] well, i assume not [03:50] yes [03:51] you are required to send in your key before it will let you upload anything to it [03:51] we can't just have any yo-yo sending stuff in [03:51] oh, so the ppa will sign it for me? the signing at my end is superfluous? [03:52] no, you sing it and then when you send it in it is authenticated as having come from you by matching it to the keyring [03:52] well, didn't i just hear that -sa turns off signing? [03:52] no it does not [03:53] i have no idea what you told me to do then. [03:53] "include original source", says dpkg-buildpackage. i don't see the connection [03:54] i'm not sure what you're saying but i've sent a million packages into my ppas and i always use debuild -S -sa [03:54] so use that [03:54] MFen: I was thinking that if you're just building something locally, there is no need to sign ;) [03:54] of course, if you want to upload... [03:55] ok, well, i'm going to try it and report back what happens [03:55] anyone know about the other question? DEBFULLNAME is "Cory Dodt", but i'm getting "cory" in my changelog entries [03:55] dch tries to be much to clever.. [03:56] ok. results: debuild -S -sa still asks me for my gpg password [03:57] i'm trying to get rid of that. [03:59] ready things on ubuntu 9.10.....where is people geting that ubuntu is trying for a 25 sec bootup....im already geting 20 sec on 9.04 [04:01] FloridaGuy, 25 secs is with a Dell Mini 9 netbook [04:02] (as a reference) [04:02] http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2009/09/ubuntu-910-alpha-6-released-boot-optimizations-arrive.ars [04:02] ok [04:02] they're moving the goalposts. "boot up" now means "load the kernel, run all the startup services, connect to the network, display the desktop, bring up all your favorite applications, edit all your favorite documents, and surf all your favorite websites" [04:02] they hope to achieve this with parallelization, of course [04:04] MFen, think 8 3 ghz cpu's 10 gig of ram..you could do that in just a few sec [04:04] using upstart [04:04] FloridaGuy, get an SSD as you HD [04:05] $$$$$ [04:05] then you should be able to get < 10 secs [04:05] FloridaGuy: the bottleneck is the darn websites. they refuse to upgrade so ubuntu can boot faster [04:05] MFen, websites??? [04:05]