[00:00] <kwwii> psyke83: if anything changes and you want to come, let me know I and will see to it...it won't cost you anything other than your time
[00:01] <kwwii> unless you decide to spend too much money on booze, like I do every time :p
[00:01] <psyke83> kwwii: thanks, I appreciate that offer. I'm hoping to get some temporary work until December in order to get some money together, though, so I'm not sure it'll be possible this time
[00:02] <psyke83> it's very generous to pay for the trip, I didn't know that sponsorships involved finances
[00:02] <kwwii> psyke83: no worries, maybe I can convine them to give you a contract working on the new themes
[00:03] <kwwii> psyke83: yepp, we have always paid for a certain amount of people to come...we always do it somewhere else around the world so that those we do not sponsor eventually have a chance
[00:03] <kwwii> a few months ago we were in Dublin
[00:05] <psyke83> yes, I think you told me... I think I was in Brazil at the time
[00:05] <kwwii> psyke83: while you are here, off the top or your head, do you know how to add a couple pixels padding the entire list/tree view?
[00:06] <kwwii> mpt asked my whether it would be possible to add a few pixels padding to the top and bottom so that the active selection in nautilus and other apps with the left-hand tree view do not touch the top (or bottom)
[00:07] <kwwii> at the time, I (guessed) thought that we can either pad each item or not at all
[00:08] <kwwii> erm, tree=list
[00:08] <psyke83> kwwii: add xthickness/ythickness = 5 (for example) to the "murrine-treeview-header" style
[00:08] <psyke83> hmm
[00:08] <kwwii> but that is the header of it, not the contents, or?
[00:08] <psyke83> you mean the list of items within the treeview? so for example in nautilus's list view, you want more separation between files?
[00:09] <kwwii> I mean the contents but just the top and bottom few pixels inside the box
[00:10] <psyke83> kwwii: see the Style Properties part of this link: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/2.15/GtkTreeView.html
[00:10] <kwwii> currently, when the top item is selected the selection bg touches the top
[00:10] <psyke83> let me think which one it is
[00:10] <psyke83> do you have a screenshot or app where I can see this?
[00:11] <kwwii> in the screen on that page, the selection bg of "List and Tree" would be about two pixels lower (with white in between)
[00:12] <kwwii> I don't have anything which shows what I mean, but it wouldn't be hard to make a mockup
[00:12] <kwwii> but the other items would not be further apart
[00:15] <psyke83> I'm a little fuzzy on what part you want two pixels lower... the "List and Tree" part is the treeview header, but I'm not sure where you want two pixels padding
[00:16] <psyke83> do you mean the space between the header (the "List and Tree" part, including the grey area) and the list "Line One"?
[00:16] <kwwii> yes
[00:17] <kwwii> let me make a mockup quickly to explain
[00:17] <kwwii> it would be easier
[00:23] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/list-and-tree.png
[00:23] <kwwii> not that much, but you get the point
[00:23] <psyke83> h
[00:23] <psyke83> ah
[00:24] <psyke83> I have a feeling it's not possible, but I'm checking now
[00:31] <psyke83> kwwii: I don't think it's possible. Conceptually, the treeview list begins under the header, whereas in your mockup it seems as though the header is embedded within the list (but at the top)
[00:32] <psyke83> kwwii: see here: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/2.15/tree-view-coordinates.png
[00:38] <psyke83> according to the docs, GtkTreeView is embedded in a GTKScrolledWindow widget - and it's the latter that draws the border. The only options for this is related to scrollbar spacing
[00:38] <psyke83> so the answer is a definite no, without patching gtk
[00:40] <kwwii> psyke83: yeah, that is what I thought as well..thanks for going to to the lengths to test it
[00:41] <kwwii> you know much more about the finer points than I do
[00:41] <kwwii> which is why I asked you, naturally :)
[00:41] <kwwii> thanks
[00:42] <psyke83> I don't know GTK in detail, but the docs are fairly clear about the way you can style the widgets. I don't think that treeviews can be changed in that way
[00:42] <psyke83> no prob ;)
[00:42] <kwwii> I will see to it that we change this in gtk, if possible
[00:43] <kwwii> adding a right, left, top, bottom padding to this would be good
[00:43] <psyke83> I better get some sleep, need to be up early. Will reply to that mail tomorrow re the theme
[00:43] <kwwii> yeah, time for sleep here too
[00:43] <kwwii> I am an hour later than you!
[00:43] <psyke83> kwwii: well, padding is already possible, I think, but it depends on exactly where you want to pad
[00:43] <kwwii> see you soon, no hurries on responding, live your life first
[00:43] <kwwii> psyke83: right
[00:44] <kwwii> I appreciate the help
[00:44] <psyke83> sure thing
[00:44] <psyke83> nite everyone
[00:44] <kwwii> night man, cheers
[00:44] <psyke83> thanks, you too
[00:45]  * kwwii heads out as well...night all
[00:45] <knome> night kwwii
[18:45] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/