seb128 | hey robert_ancell | 00:21 |
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robert_ancell | seb128, evening | 00:22 |
seb128 | night shift guys are coming, I can go to bed ;-) | 00:22 |
seb128 | robert_ancell, how are you? | 00:22 |
robert_ancell | seb128, good. I see a few more 2.28s have been released overnight# | 00:23 |
seb128 | right | 00:23 |
seb128 | I think we have most of the major pieces but still some updates to do if you want to | 00:23 |
seb128 | we will do sponsoring in the european morning ;-) | 00:23 |
seb128 | the karmic beta freeze starts in 2 days now | 00:24 |
robert_ancell | and after that only critical fixes? | 00:24 |
seb128 | yes | 00:24 |
seb128 | well not only critical but only things important for beta | 00:25 |
seb128 | ie we will probably have some dxteam changes still landing | 00:25 |
seb128 | and bug fixes | 00:25 |
robert_ancell | cool | 00:25 |
robert_ancell | did you guys compile that karmic bug list? | 00:25 |
seb128 | I should have put that in the title | 00:26 |
seb128 | sec | 00:26 |
seb128 | robert_ancell, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~desktop-bugs?field.subscriber=&field.milestone%3Alist=12698&field.milestone%3Alist=12715 | 00:27 |
seb128 | launchpad sucks it lists things with a karmic task twice | 00:27 |
seb128 | and the list will get new items while we keep doing triaging and spotting issues | 00:28 |
seb128 | but that's a good one if you are looking for bugs to fix | 00:28 |
robert_ancell | that's true, perhaps we should make a list of bugs against LP that would make our lives easiers | 00:28 |
seb128 | there is a such list I think | 00:29 |
robert_ancell | my personal favourite is doing the advanced search for bugs fixed upstream and it shows bugs closed as invalid and bug closed against other products | 00:29 |
seb128 | but that doesn't mean they tackle those quickly | 00:29 |
robert_ancell | we should set rick on them :) | 00:29 |
seb128 | right, that one is annoying | 00:29 |
seb128 | I already used my rick card to get bug watches updated | 00:30 |
seb128 | I don't want to abuse it ;-) | 00:30 |
robert_ancell | nice | 00:30 |
seb128 | (they are working on it, they said that will happen this week) | 00:30 |
robert_ancell | what is broken? | 00:30 |
seb128 | with watches? | 00:30 |
seb128 | they don't know, they said they would try and fix it this week though | 00:31 |
seb128 | apparently they think it's due to the new bugzilla.gnome.org migration | 00:31 |
robert_ancell | oh, is that why they're not updating | 00:31 |
seb128 | well they can communicate with it | 00:31 |
seb128 | but they are facing issues in some cases | 00:32 |
seb128 | let's see if they figure what cases break exactly | 00:32 |
seb128 | anyway, time to go to bed there | 00:32 |
seb128 | have a nice day ;-) | 00:32 |
seb128 | see you tomorrow | 00:32 |
rickspencer31 | hi robert_ancell | 00:32 |
robert_ancell | rickspencer31, hi rick | 00:33 |
robert_ancell | seb128, cya | 00:33 |
rickspencer31 | g'night seb128 | 00:33 |
seb128 | 'night rickspencer31 | 00:33 |
chrisccoulson | good night seb128 | 00:33 |
seb128 | 'night chrisccoulson ;-) | 00:33 |
rickspencer31 | robert_ancell: seb128 I just saw bryce | 00:33 |
rickspencer31 | I'm going to meet Dutch tomorrow | 00:33 |
seb128 | rickspencer31, oh, nice! | 00:33 |
rickspencer31 | (that's the baby) | 00:34 |
robert_ancell | say hi to baby for me | 00:34 |
rickspencer31 | bryce seems well .. I guess fatherhood suits himm | 00:34 |
rickspencer31 | will do | 00:34 |
rickspencer31 | robert_ancell: slangadesk just assigned you a gdm bug | 00:34 |
rickspencer31 | basically, if there is any low hanging fruit way to remove the annoyance, go for it | 00:35 |
rickspencer31 | otherwise, we'll punt it to Lucid | 00:35 |
robert_ancell | I love the description | 00:35 |
rickspencer31 | hehe | 00:35 |
robert_ancell | Lucid? | 00:35 |
seb128 | rickspencer31, say hello from me too when you will see them tomorrow | 00:35 |
rickspencer31 | seb128: will do | 00:35 |
rickspencer31 | robert_ancell: Lucid Lynx | 00:35 |
robert_ancell | oh yes | 00:36 |
chrisccoulson | robert_ancell - about bug 434940 - gconf 2.28.0 is already in ;) | 00:37 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 434940 in gconf "Update to 2.28.0" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434940 | 00:37 |
robert_ancell | chrisccoulson, ok, will close | 00:37 |
chrisccoulson | thanks | 00:37 |
chrisccoulson | woah | 00:43 |
chrisccoulson | since when did update-manager not use synaptic? | 00:43 |
chrisccoulson | neat:) | 00:43 |
TheMuso | Hey robert_ancell. Hope you are able to breathe this morning. :) | 00:49 |
robert_ancell | TheMuso, yeah, what is is like out west? | 00:50 |
TheMuso | robert_ancell: Its mostly gone from up here, but the wind is very very strong and gusty. | 00:50 |
TheMuso | Probably 90/100km wind gusts, give or take. | 00:50 |
robert_ancell | Not sure if I'll make my bike ride today then :) | 00:50 |
robert_ancell | It seems pretty calm here but red skies | 00:50 |
rickspencer31 | hi TheMuso | 00:51 |
TheMuso | Yeah I didn't exercise this morning either, started my walk and was coughing a a bit, so came home and cleaned up the kitchen instead. :p I didn't walk or skip, given the nature of the air. | 00:51 |
TheMuso | Hey rickspencer31. | 00:51 |
rickspencer31 | sounds like some crazy weather around Sydney | 00:52 |
TheMuso | rickspencer31: In short, a dust storm. | 00:52 |
rickspencer31 | drives men indoors to clean kitchens | 00:52 |
robert_ancell | lol | 00:53 |
TheMuso | haha | 00:53 |
rickspencer31 | TheMuso: what's the word on the street regarding pulse in karmic? | 00:54 |
TheMuso | rickspencer31: I think overall good. | 00:58 |
rickspencer31 | TheMuso: are we on the final version of pulse, or should I expect more updates? | 00:58 |
rickspencer31 | I have 1:0.9.17-0ubuntu2 atm, but I saw there were some updates coming | 00:59 |
TheMuso | rickspencer31: There is now 0.9.18 which is bug fixes. Anything from this point will be further fixes from upstream, if they are deemed important enough. | 01:00 |
rickspencer31 | TheMuso: thanks for the update | 01:00 |
rickspencer31 | have a good day! | 01:00 |
rickspencer31 | see everyone tomorrow :0 | 01:01 |
xpaparoger | hello everybody | 01:05 |
robert_ancell | TheMuso, is there any good stuff in the 0.18 libcanberra release? | 01:18 |
TheMuso | robert_ancell: I've already pulled useful bug fixes from it. | 01:21 |
robert_ancell | ah, ok | 01:21 |
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pitti | Good morning | 07:08 |
pitti | ccheney: ugh, thanks for the heads up. good luck! | 07:08 |
pitti | didrocks: policykit-doc is the old stuff; look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/PolicyKitOneMigration for links to current documentation (or use policykit-1-doc) | 07:09 |
pitti | Riddelll: oh, that's it? Nice | 07:10 |
pitti | kklimonda: opened a tab, will have a look ASAP | 07:10 |
didrocks | pitti: hey o/ thanks for the link :) Hope to find same thing for console and devicekit :) | 07:12 |
didrocks | it's time to refresh all docs in my head ;) | 07:12 |
pitti | didrocks: they have their documentation on the web, too | 07:13 |
pitti | but again there's devickekit-disks-doc | 07:14 |
didrocks | ok, not deprecated this time, so :) | 07:14 |
didrocks | thanks! | 07:14 |
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mac_v | Amaranth: hi... do you know about compiz causes X restarts while using the cube and switching workspaces? is this a known issue? | 08:02 |
mac_v | causing* | 08:02 |
Amaranth | nope, I hadn't heard of that driver bug before ;) | 08:02 |
mac_v | aw... :( , i had 3 X restarts today , all while switching the workspace ,while selecting the window in a different workspace , the cube freezes ans Xrestarts | 08:03 |
Amaranth | mac_v: X crash == driver problem :) | 08:04 |
mac_v | and i use Cairo dock , wa | 08:04 |
Amaranth | tseliot: idr agrees with me about compiz and GLX 1.3, btw | 08:04 |
Amaranth | We almost lost compiz on r300 because of that :P | 08:05 |
tseliot | Amaranth: who's idr? And what bug are you talking about ? | 08:05 |
Amaranth | oh, maybe that wasn't you | 08:05 |
Amaranth | ah, nope, tormod | 08:06 |
mac_v | hm , drivers ... had an xorg update yesterday... | 08:07 |
mac_v | i'm xorg edgers ppa | 08:08 |
mac_v | woohoo.. another update available | 08:08 |
tseliot | does it affects only xorg edgers? | 08:09 |
mac_v | not sure... but... | 08:12 |
mac_v | ibgl1-mesa-dev (7.7.0~git20090919.b8477f07-0ubuntu0tormod) to 7.7.0~git20090921.972e995b-0ubuntu0tormod | 08:12 |
mac_v | libgl1-mesa-dri (7.7.0~git20090919.b8477f07-0ubuntu0tormod) to 7.7.0~git20090921.972e995b-0ubuntu0tormod | 08:12 |
mac_v | libgl1-mesa-glx (7.7.0~git20090919.b8477f07-0ubuntu0tormod) to 7.7.0~git20090921.972e995b-0ubuntu0tormod | 08:12 |
mac_v | libglu1-mesa (7.7.0~git20090919.b8477f07-0ubuntu0tormod) to 7.7.0~git20090921.972e995b-0ubuntu0tormod | 08:12 |
mac_v | libglu1-mesa-dev (7.7.0~git20090919.b8477f07-0ubuntu0tormod) to 7.7.0~git20090921.972e995b-0ubuntu0tormod xserver-xorg-video-ati (1:6.12.99+git20090919.da7487f6-0ubuntu0tormod) to 1:6.12.99+git20090920.97a4e747-0ubuntu0tormod | 08:12 |
mac_v | xserver-xorg-video-intel (2:2.8.99.901~git20090918.33f98e40-0ubuntu0tormod) to 2:2.8.99.901~git20090921.b4d29452-0ubuntu0tormod | 08:12 |
mac_v | xserver-xorg-video-radeon (1:6.12.99+git20090919.da7487f6-0ubuntu0tormod) to 1:6.12.99+git20090920.97a4e747-0ubuntu0tormod | 08:12 |
mac_v | xserver-xorg-video-savage (1:2.3.0-1) to 1:2.3.0-1ubuntu1 | 08:12 |
mac_v | these were the updates yesterday , since then at random when using the switcher Xcrashes | 08:13 |
mac_v | updating again now | 08:13 |
mac_v | ah , crap... crashed again! | 08:15 |
seb128 | good morning everybody | 08:18 |
didrocks | salut seb128 | 08:19 |
seb128 | lut didrocks | 08:19 |
pitti | hey seb128, bonjour! | 08:27 |
seb128 | hello pitti | 08:27 |
kklimonda | good morning | 08:27 |
seb128 | pitti, dunno if you have seen but debian moved libglib to /lib for devicekit | 08:27 |
seb128 | hi kklimonda | 08:27 |
pitti | seb128: hm, I wonder why | 08:28 |
seb128 | pitti, so devicekit works before having usr mounted | 08:28 |
pitti | devicekit-{disks,power} aren't used before that.. | 08:28 |
seb128 | not sure if that's an issue we have | 08:28 |
pitti | if it's literally "devicekit", that's gone from karmic | 08:28 |
* pitti removed it yesterday, after the last rdepends was fixed | 08:29 | |
seb128 | it's probably -disk | 08:29 |
seb128 | I'm not sure | 08:29 |
seb128 | just telling you in case you are interested in the change | 08:29 |
pitti | aah | 08:29 |
pitti | I see | 08:29 |
seb128 | hey robert_ancell | 08:29 |
pitti | $ ldd /lib/udev/devkit-disks-part-id |grep glib | 08:29 |
pitti | libglib-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0x00007f9d659fb000) | 08:29 |
seb128 | robert_ancell, still working on gtk? | 08:29 |
pitti | hey robert_ancell, how are you? | 08:29 |
pitti | seb128: so yes, seems like a good idea to do that then | 08:29 |
robert_ancell | seb128, yes, it just built so ready to upload soon | 08:30 |
pitti | seb128: it's just part-id, probe-ata-smart and dm-export don't need it | 08:30 |
robert_ancell | pitti, hey pitti | 08:30 |
seb128 | robert_ancell, hum ok, I was going to rebase on debian they packaged 2.18 and our delta is trivial | 08:30 |
didrocks | seb128: debian has already packaged new gtk if you didn't see it. I don't know if we have specific version | 08:30 |
robert_ancell | seb128, oh, you might as well do that then :) | 08:30 |
seb128 | pitti, want to review http://incoming.debian.org/glib2.0_2.22.0-1.dsc? the diff with karmic? | 08:30 |
didrocks | oh, ok, not fast enough in typing ;) | 08:30 |
seb128 | didrocks, thanks ;-) | 08:31 |
seb128 | pitti, it seems fine to me but there is some changes just before beta I prefer double checking | 08:31 |
seb128 | robert_ancell, ok, using you changes and applying those on the current debian version | 08:32 |
seb128 | robert_ancell, are your changes in some bzr? | 08:34 |
robert_ancell | seb128, i'll just push now | 08:34 |
seb128 | robert_ancell, ok thanks | 08:34 |
robert_ancell | pushed | 08:34 |
robert_ancell | brb | 08:34 |
seb128 | wb robert_ancell | 08:37 |
robert_ancell | gdm testing requires a lot of logging in and out... | 08:37 |
seb128 | don't tell me | 08:38 |
seb128 | what are you fixing? the shutdown button thing? | 08:38 |
robert_ancell | yes | 08:38 |
seb128 | how do you plan to change it? | 08:38 |
seb128 | adding a unsensitive login one? or confirm the action selected? | 08:39 |
robert_ancell | I put a menu in the lower right of the screen as proposed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Karmic/LoginExperience | 08:39 |
seb128 | ok, excellent ;-) | 08:39 |
robert_ancell | the patch is finished, it will need a UI freeze break right? Should I commit it to bzr optimistically or push to a private branch? | 08:40 |
seb128 | commit to bzr I and nag pitti about approval ;-) | 08:41 |
robert_ancell | pitti.... | 08:43 |
robert_ancell | pitti: Can you have a look at bug 434338 for UI freeze break please? Also can you update versions.py (I fixed it so it doesn't think there is a new firefox waiting) | 08:44 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 434338 in gdm "gdm 'shutdown' button == UI disaster" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434338 | 08:44 |
robert_ancell | ok, gtg, see you all tomorrow | 08:45 |
seb128 | re | 08:46 |
pitti | I fixed teh cronjob to do a bzr pull before | 08:47 |
pitti | will look at that bug | 08:48 |
seb128 | pitti, thanks | 08:49 |
seb128 | brb for some reason ssh agent is broken | 08:49 |
seb128 | it's working again, go figure | 08:53 |
chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 08:54 |
seb128 | hey chrisccoulson | 08:55 |
chrisccoulson | hey seb128 - how are you today? | 08:55 |
seb128 | a bit tired but good otherwise | 08:55 |
seb128 | you? | 08:55 |
chrisccoulson | yeah, i'm quite tired too | 08:56 |
chrisccoulson | i might get some early nights in beta freeze ;) | 08:56 |
pitti | hey chrisccoulson | 08:57 |
chrisccoulson | hey pitti | 08:57 |
chrisccoulson | i'm going to take bug 413116 | 09:11 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 413116 in gnome-media "sliding volume control up doesn't unmute volume" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/413116 | 09:11 |
seb128 | chrisccoulson, \o/ | 09:11 |
chrisccoulson | it probably won't be done for beta freeze though. it's still ok after beta release isnt it? | 09:11 |
seb128 | yes | 09:12 |
seb128 | or after beta | 09:12 |
chrisccoulson | it might take me a bit more than 1 evening | 09:12 |
chrisccoulson | cool:) | 09:12 |
seb128 | we still have some weeks after beta until karmic | 09:12 |
seb128 | hey asac_ | 09:12 |
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mvo_ | mpt: re #432978 - do you want strict AND searching? | 09:19 |
pitti | Riddell: Yuriy's patch uploaded | 09:19 |
mpt | hi mvo_ | 09:19 |
mvo_ | hello mpt | 09:20 |
mpt | mvo_, yes | 09:20 |
mvo_ | ok | 09:21 |
mpt | mvo_, actually, that reminds me, for v2 we should have a blacklist of words that are mostly ignored in searches (used only for result ordering rather than filtering), e.g. "package", "application", "program", "suite" | 09:21 |
mpt | so that if you search for "graphics program" you won't get vastly fewer results than searching just for "graphics" | 09:21 |
mpt | I'll make a note of that | 09:21 |
mvo_ | mpt: I fix it right away, no need for a note | 09:22 |
mpt | mvo_, really? Ok, it needs a careful translation note though | 09:22 |
mvo_ | mpt: oh, misread. yes, that is 2.0 | 09:23 |
mpt | ok :-) | 09:23 |
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seb128 | gnagnagna | 09:51 |
seb128 | it should be easier to reinstall conffiles from a binary | 09:51 |
* seb128 unpack the deb using dpkg-deb and cp the files | 09:52 | |
chrisccoulson | yeah, it's a pain having to do that | 09:53 |
pitti | seb128, mvo_: who do I hassle/is there a bug/should I file a bug about software-store being in system->admin? | 09:55 |
pitti | it's already in the apps menu (where it should be, AFAIK) | 09:55 |
seb128 | pitti, nobody? it's a minor issue and we already talked about it yesterday ;-) | 09:56 |
pitti | sure, but "talk" is not enough action :) | 09:56 |
seb128 | pitti, ie no need to "hassle", there is higher things on the list right now | 09:56 |
pitti | so I just file a bug now | 09:57 |
seb128 | software-store | 09:57 |
seb128 | it needs to change its Category use | 09:57 |
seb128 | using the same than gnome-app-install | 09:57 |
pitti | ~software-store-developers | 09:58 |
pitti | meh | 09:58 |
pitti | can't commit | 09:58 |
mvo_ | pitti: I will commit if you send me a diff or a branch - I can add you as well if oyu want | 10:00 |
pitti | hm, doesn't seem to be that easy; I'll discuss it in the bug | 10:02 |
pitti | ok, followed up | 10:04 |
pitti | (bug 435123) | 10:04 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 435123 in software-store "Extra menu item in System -> Administration" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435123 | 10:04 |
pitti | mvo_: not that urgent, I just want it on the final release radar | 10:04 |
seb128 | pitti, why not? | 10:04 |
seb128 | why not easy | 10:04 |
pitti | seb128: g-a-i has the same problem | 10:04 |
pitti | but just dropping the System;Settings categories from both does the trick | 10:04 |
seb128 | "has the same problem" | 10:05 |
seb128 | that's why I was not sure that was a bug ;-) | 10:05 |
seb128 | another issues is that it might break software-store for other des | 10:05 |
seb128 | DEs | 10:05 |
pitti | thats why I said "not that easy" | 10:06 |
seb128 | ie not sure where it's listed in xfce and what impact it will have for them if it's menu masked | 10:06 |
pitti | did g-a-i get a special treatment in the panel? | 10:06 |
seb128 | no | 10:06 |
seb128 | but as you said it was listed in admin too | 10:06 |
pitti | g-a-i had a separate XFCE .desktop | 10:06 |
seb128 | pitti, we can probably hack the gnome-menus .menu to filter it out otherwise | 10:10 |
seb128 | since that's what we hack to add it where it is now | 10:10 |
pitti | ah, so it sort of does get special treatment in the panel | 10:10 |
mpt | seb128, pitti, bug 433386 requires that the Store is in System > Administration for UNR, but not for Ubuntu | 10:11 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 433386 in software-store "Add software-store to the UNR menus" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/433386 | 10:11 |
pitti | mpt: ah, thanks | 10:11 |
seb128 | pitti, in gnome-menus yes, there is no "out of the categories category" | 10:13 |
seb128 | ie no way for any desktop to put itself where software-store is | 10:13 |
huats | Hello everyone ! | 10:35 |
pitti | hey huats! | 10:42 |
huats | hey pitti ! | 10:43 |
lool | pitti: Hey | 10:45 |
mpt | mvo_, for bug 433232, how often would that sort of problem be fixed by installing all available updates and then trying again? | 10:46 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 433232 in software-store "software-store doesn't provide error dialog when package can't be installed" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/433232 | 10:46 |
lool | pitti: I see in the desktop report that some people have workitems below or above trend line | 10:46 |
lool | pitti: does that mean you have per-person workitems charts/lists? | 10:46 |
lool | I couldn't find these | 10:46 |
mvo_ | mpt: very rarely, this is typically a bug in the archive or a transient failure | 10:46 |
pitti | lool: no, we don't; that was just a misunderstanding then | 10:46 |
lool | pitti: Ok thanks | 10:46 |
mvo_ | mpt: transient in the sense that it might happen if a mirror is updating or if we do a transition | 10:47 |
mpt | mvo_, by "transient" do you mean that a "Retry" button would be useful? Or if not, what else should be done before trying again? | 10:47 |
mpt | mvo_, "Try again in a day or two"? :-) | 10:47 |
mvo_ | mpt: yes, try again in a day or two (maybe with a automatic countdown :P ? | 10:50 |
mvo_ | mpt: I think it should just show something like "Sorry, but this application can not be installed currently" | 10:51 |
mpt | "If you do nothing, the Store will try again in 57600 seconds." | 10:51 |
mpt | ok :-) | 10:51 |
mvo_ | "it may become available later" | 10:51 |
mvo_ | something like this | 10:51 |
mvo_ | "If you do nothing, the Store will try again in 57600 seconds." [cancel] [wait] | 10:52 |
mpt | hehe | 10:52 |
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chrisccoulson | hey pitti. i think you're probably best off just closing bug 374151 for now | 11:29 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 374151 in vala "MIR for vala" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/374151 | 11:29 |
chrisccoulson | what was originally going to depend on it is not going to make it in karmic | 11:29 |
pitti | okay, thanks | 11:29 |
chrisccoulson | and i think when upstream roll a tarball, they will compile the vala code in to C code in the distributed tarball anyway | 11:29 |
chrisccoulson | which means it wouldn't be needed as a build-dependency anyway | 11:30 |
pitti | I see; done | 11:31 |
chrisccoulson | there will be a new tracker tarball in a couple of weeks btw - far to late for karmic though | 11:31 |
chrisccoulson | thanks | 11:31 |
Amaranth | chrisccoulson: If they weren't planning on doing that from the start I'd have to hit them :P | 11:32 |
chrisccoulson | Amaranth - you mean compiling the vala code in the tarball? | 11:32 |
Amaranth | chrisccoulson: If you were going to ship a git snapshot you would do the same for the orig tar.gz because that's what make distcheck should do :) | 11:33 |
Amaranth | chrisccoulson: Yes, that's the standard and expected way to ship modules using vala | 11:33 |
Amaranth | chrisccoulson: Vala set the standard there, it is written in vala too :) | 11:33 |
chrisccoulson | Amaranth - yeah. i think i assumed they wouldn't do that because when i rolled my own tarball from git, i still had to compile the vala code afterwards | 11:34 |
chrisccoulson | that was a while ago though | 11:34 |
Amaranth | Yeah, everyone misses it in their first collision between vala and autotools | 11:34 |
chrisccoulson | i'll probably stick the new tracker in a PPA somewhere anyway | 11:34 |
Amaranth | chrisccoulson: First release with the new sparql rdf-based data store, right? | 11:35 |
chrisccoulson | Amaranth - yeah, that's right | 11:35 |
chrisccoulson | i've already done some work on the packaging to split the store from the indexer | 11:36 |
chrisccoulson | but my work is quite old now | 11:36 |
Amaranth | chrisccoulson: I want to get exciting about that but everyone always laughs at them or gets confused when they talk about it :/ | 11:36 |
Amaranth | s/exciting/excited/ | 11:36 |
chrisccoulson | Amaranth - yeah, i get confused too. | 11:36 |
Amaranth | If it didn't walk $HOME on start it wouldn't matter if almost no one used that part of it as long as it had a single user it would be a win | 11:37 |
chrisccoulson | yeah, there's not much using it at the moment | 11:37 |
* Amaranth tests new bootchart again | 11:38 | |
chrisccoulson | anyway, i need to try and motivate myself to do some work now. i'm having a very unproductive day;) | 11:38 |
* Amaranth looks at bootchart, gets embarrassed | 11:44 | |
Amaranth | one second for compiz shell script followed by 10 seconds of compiz chewing mostly disk but a little CPU thrown in | 11:45 |
pitti | Amaranth: reading/parsing all its xml files? | 11:46 |
Amaranth | pitti: once reading them as protobuf (nice little second or two of IO followed by CPU) then once reading them as XML (significantly longer) | 11:46 |
seb128 | couldn't those be cached? | 11:47 |
Amaranth | Oh, I'm not actually using compiz right now | 11:47 |
Amaranth | It must have silently crashed and loaded metacity some time after boot :/ | 11:48 |
Amaranth | [ 106.637269] compiz.real[2121]: segfault at 2 ip 00007fa5b12e13c9 sp 00007fff152b9d10 error 4 in libwobbly.so[7fa5b12db000+8000] | 11:48 |
Amaranth | crap | 11:48 |
Amaranth | seb128: cached in what way? the cache is the protobuf versions | 11:48 |
Amaranth | but only the ccp plugin knows to read them | 11:49 |
seb128 | why are the xml read anyway then? | 11:49 |
Amaranth | But since we have no shot at getting any version of compiz newer than 0.8.4 before 10.10 I suppose this is a problem worth fixing in the 0.8.x versions now :) | 11:49 |
Amaranth | seb128: To tell compiz about the settings for the plugins | 11:49 |
Amaranth | (and also to expose that information via dbus along with a way to control compiz via dbus) | 11:50 |
=== MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
Amaranth | hmm, slow DNS, must be my resolv.conf getting screwed again | 12:02 |
Amaranth | Nice, OpenSuSE ships a patch to compiz almost as big as a compiz tarball to add the nomad branch | 12:05 |
pitti | Amaranth: hang on, you have slow DNS? | 12:28 |
pitti | Amaranth: I have the same problem with my router, and running a workaround for some time | 12:28 |
pitti | but so far I didn't meet anyone else with that problem | 12:28 |
Amaranth | pitti: yeah, thanks to "search" lines | 12:28 |
pitti | Amaranth: if you run "host www.ubuntu.com", does it give you an immediate result and then hang for some 10 seconds, and then respond with "no results"? | 12:29 |
pitti | Amaranth: or, rather, ";; connection timed out; no servers could be reached" | 12:29 |
Amaranth | pitti: it gives me a result then sits for a couple seconds then exits | 12:30 |
pitti | $ host www.ubuntu.com | 12:30 |
pitti | www.ubuntu.com has address 91.189.94.8 | 12:30 |
pitti | [10 second pause] | 12:30 |
pitti | ; connection timed out; no servers could be reached | 12:30 |
pitti | [ 5 second pause ] | 12:30 |
pitti | ; connection timed out; no servers could be reached | 12:30 |
Amaranth | no error and only maybe 4 second pause here | 12:30 |
pitti | I only get that when using my router as DNS server, not when I manually kick it to use the official Telekom DNS | 12:30 |
Amaranth | but I think my original resolv.conf had two search lines so that may add even more time | 12:30 |
pitti | ok, then it seems to be a different problem | 12:30 |
Amaranth | I just use 4.2.2.2 | 12:30 |
pitti | I don't have any search lines, and still have the problem | 12:31 |
jpds | Tried using OpenDNS? | 12:31 |
Amaranth | different problem then | 12:31 |
pitti | I'd blame my router, if my wife would have the same problem as well | 12:31 |
pitti | but I didn't have it on jaunty and early karmic, and neither does she (jaunty as well) | 12:32 |
davmor2 | pitti: I get the result almost instantly | 12:37 |
* asac lunch | 12:37 | |
davmor2 | pitti: Mind you I'm using a mix of my own dns cache and opendns | 12:38 |
Amaranth | oh wow, if we had changed compiz to check for GLX 1.3 for glXCreatePixmap it wouldn't work on r300 or any intel | 12:45 |
Amaranth | phew, close one | 12:45 |
Amaranth | tormod filed a bug saying we should do so then upstream dri almost convinced us it was needed :) | 12:46 |
=== MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
pitti | davmor2: right, if I use the DNS servers which my router uses, it's fine | 13:22 |
seb128 | Laney, do you work on f-spot out of packaging? | 13:24 |
seb128 | Laney, are you in contact with upstream too? | 13:24 |
Laney | a bit | 13:24 |
Laney | I'm in the IRC channel | 13:24 |
seb128 | ok | 13:25 |
seb128 | the slideshow screensaver seems to not be working | 13:25 |
seb128 | would you be interested to upstream that or investigate? | 13:25 |
Laney | I saw some reports on that | 13:25 |
Laney | needed to figure out if its a packaging issue or upstream | 13:25 |
seb128 | running /usr/lib/gnome-screensaver/gnome-screensaver/f-spot-screensaver by hand works | 13:26 |
seb128 | and straces seems to in indicate gnome-screensaver-preferences finds it too | 13:27 |
Laney | but it doesnt work from the gnome-screensaver preview right? | 13:28 |
seb128 | Laney, no, neither the preview or the screensaver | 13:31 |
seb128 | if you have no favorite picture the /usr/lib/gnome-screensaver/gnome-screensaver/f-spot-screensaver displays a message | 13:31 |
seb128 | but the screensaver is empty | 13:31 |
seb128 | same with an image | 13:31 |
seb128 | it just indicates it's not an image loading issue | 13:31 |
Laney | hmm | 13:31 |
seb128 | and I tried the gnome-screensaver version from jaunty | 13:31 |
seb128 | same issue | 13:31 |
Laney | so running it by hand works | 13:31 |
Laney | thats weird | 13:32 |
seb128 | yes... | 13:32 |
Laney | seb128: do you want to join #f-spot? | 13:32 |
Laney | I'm not on an Ubuntu box atm | 13:32 |
seb128 | ok | 13:33 |
james_w | kenvandine: do you know if http://people.canonical.com/~jamesw/messaging_menu.png is a known bug? It doesn't match the picture in the spec. | 13:41 |
* kenvandine looks | 13:41 | |
kenvandine | james_w, the avatar? | 13:41 |
james_w | the fact that the separator below empathy ends up above the messages from empathy | 13:42 |
kenvandine | oh... that is a known bug | 13:42 |
kenvandine | i think... let me make sure it is what i think it is | 13:42 |
kenvandine | yes | 13:43 |
kenvandine | that is the menu ordering bug | 13:43 |
kenvandine | tedg is working on it | 13:43 |
kenvandine | to verify | 13:43 |
kenvandine | killall indicator-applet | 13:43 |
james_w | the bugs are mostly developers talking to themselves, so it's hard to know what a bug is about :-) | 13:43 |
kenvandine | and hit reload | 13:43 |
kenvandine | the order should be fixed | 13:43 |
kenvandine | hehe | 13:43 |
kenvandine | james_w, bug 430904 | 13:44 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 430904 in dbusmenu "Menu ordering gets "out of whack"" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430904 | 13:44 |
james_w | oh, I need someone to talk to me again :-) | 13:44 |
james_w | could be a few weeks before I can verify | 13:44 |
kenvandine | hehe | 13:44 |
james_w | ah, there are two ordering bugs, I found bug 422079, which is fixed | 13:46 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 422079 in indicator-messages "Menu items ordering is off" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/422079 | 13:46 |
kenvandine | yeah... that one was fixed | 13:47 |
kenvandine | this is a new bug :) | 13:47 |
pitti | hey kenvandine, good morning | 13:47 |
kenvandine | hey pitti | 13:47 |
seb128 | hey kenvandine | 13:50 |
kenvandine | hey seb128 | 13:52 |
seb128 | is somebody there wanting to look at the libpst update? | 14:01 |
seb128 | hey tedg | 14:09 |
tedg | Good morning seb128 | 14:09 |
seb128 | everybody hugs MacSlow who managed to fix the notify-osd crasher getting ton of duplicates | 14:12 |
seb128 | everybody hugs MacSlow who managed to fix the notify-osd crasher getting ton of duplicates since 0.9.21 | 14:12 |
MacSlow | seb128, agateau also needs to get some of those as he helped me with it and thus avoiding not totally going insane over it | 14:16 |
* seb128 hugs agateau and MacSlow | 14:17 | |
Amaranth | mvo_: Fun fact: we don't need a driver whitelist in compiz anymore, we check for Software Renderer :) | 14:17 |
Zdra | kenvandine, I have a crash for you: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595980 | 14:18 |
ubottu | Gnome bug 595980 in General "Segfault when starting in Emapthy 2.28" [Blocker,Resolved: invalid] | 14:18 |
kenvandine | Zdra, looking | 14:18 |
mvo_ | Amaranth: oh, is that reliable enough? | 14:18 |
Amaranth | mvo_: It's actually more reliable, that's why we had to add it | 14:19 |
* Amaranth is looking into turning the shell script into C code inside the compiz binary | 14:19 | |
Amaranth | had a nice discussion in #xorg-devel about it | 14:19 |
seb128 | kenvandine, bug #434825 too if you didn't notice | 14:20 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 434825 in libindicate "empathy crashed with SIGSEGV in empathy_event_activate()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434825 | 14:20 |
Amaranth | mvo_: They really hate us doing a pci id blacklist, btw :P | 14:22 |
Amaranth | And apparently we won't need it since 845 and 815 have dri forced to off in the driver now? | 14:22 |
kenvandine | seb128, yeah saw that | 14:23 |
kenvandine | thx | 14:23 |
kenvandine | Zdra, i guess i need to install kubuntu :) | 14:25 |
Zdra | kenvandine, seems to happen only when running empathy in kubuntu, right | 14:27 |
kenvandine | yeah | 14:27 |
kenvandine | i don't know the status of the indicator in kubuntu | 14:27 |
mvo_ | Amaranth: why do they hate us? I mean, seriously, the drivers kept crashing with certain cards | 14:31 |
mvo_ | Amaranth: uh, I see - there is a long discussion in the channel :) | 14:31 |
Zdra | kenvandine, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/435262 | 14:35 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 435262 in empathy "Segfault at starting (probable cause :libindicate patch )" [Undecided,New] | 14:35 |
kenvandine | thx | 14:36 |
asac | seb128: what was the env setting to bail out on GTK warnings? | 14:40 |
asac | err G-warnings | 14:40 |
Zdra | asac, --fatal-warnings | 14:41 |
Zdra | asac, or G_DEGUG=fatal-warnings | 14:41 |
Zdra | asac, --g-fatal-warnings | 14:41 |
seb128 | asac, what Zdra said ;-) | 14:42 |
asac | yeah thanks | 14:42 |
seb128 | asac, btw still having epiphany-webkit on your update list? | 14:42 |
asac | hmm | 14:42 |
asac | seb128: i usually dont forget things like that ;) | 14:43 |
asac | at least i try | 14:43 |
seb128 | hehe | 14:43 |
asac | thats bad | 14:45 |
seb128 | what? | 14:46 |
asac | i cannot gdb this warning because it happens when i open the menu | 14:46 |
asac | and then all focus is locked | 14:46 |
seb128 | gdb from an another user | 14:46 |
pitti | kenvandine: writing | 14:46 |
asac | well. problem is i have to set to fatal_warning | 14:46 |
seb128 | vt switch should still work | 14:46 |
asac | and when i start there are instantly a few warnings i would have to continue | 14:46 |
asac | not sure if i can attach two gdbs ;) | 14:46 |
asac | let me try that | 14:46 |
asac | can i teach gdb to automatically run backtrace when it breaks? | 14:47 |
seb128 | I think you can but I don't know how | 14:48 |
seb128 | I usually let apport catch the crash | 14:48 |
seb128 | and I use gdb on the dump there | 14:48 |
asac | seb128: yeah. it was to debug why there is a special critical warning ... but now i found it through reading code ;) | 15:39 |
asac | rick still at conference? | 15:41 |
asac | Riddelll: can you run mm-test.py --private for us? | 15:41 |
asac | Riddelll: also are you sure wvdial allowed you to ping? | 15:42 |
asac | dan said that wvdial even succeeds often if it fails | 15:42 |
Riddelll | wvdial allowed me to ssh and irc | 15:42 |
asac | ok | 15:42 |
asac | Riddelll: sure you were not on wifi too? | 15:42 |
Riddelll | yes wifi was turned off with hardware switch | 15:43 |
asac | i just re-ask because that SIM error is explicit that its a SIM error | 15:43 |
asac | ok | 15:43 |
asac | the --private would help then i guess | 15:43 |
Riddelll | http://paste.ubuntu.com/276443/ | 15:45 |
rickspencer3 | pitti: thanks for running the meeting and sending the team report | 15:48 |
pitti | hey rickspencer3; my pleasure | 15:48 |
pitti | rickspencer3: enjoying the conference? what's interesting? | 15:48 |
rickspencer3 | pitti: hmmm | 15:49 |
rickspencer3 | well ... doing some work with robbiew and jono | 15:49 |
rickspencer3 | interesting comments from Linus | 15:50 |
rickspencer3 | getting to know a couple of Fedora guys, interesting to see what the other distros are up to | 15:50 |
rickspencer3 | pitti: seemed that my concerns were mostly addressed, so thanks for that! | 15:54 |
seb128 | hey rickspencer3 | 15:54 |
didrocks | hi rickspencer3 | 15:54 |
rickspencer3 | hi seb128 and didrocks | 15:55 |
asac | Riddelll: can you join #nm and chat with dan directly? | 15:56 |
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diverse_izzue | i find it mildly annoying that indicator-applet gets yellow when one of my buddies comes online in empathy. is that a wanted behavior or a bug? | 16:06 |
pitti | green here, but same problem | 16:07 |
pitti | diverse_izzue: bug 434726 | 16:07 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 434726 in empathy "Gets indicator attention for joining people" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434726 | 16:07 |
diverse_izzue | pitti, thanks, we'll have to bug kenvandine enough for him to fix it i guess :-) | 16:08 |
kenvandine | diverse_izzue, i know... i am planning to look at that today | 16:09 |
Zdra | kenvandine, empathy print criticals when closing the main window | 16:09 |
diverse_izzue | kenvandine, thanks, brilliant | 16:09 |
Zdra | kenvandine, I see no status icon and no way to get incoming msg | 16:10 |
kenvandine | ? | 16:11 |
kenvandine | you don't see it in the indicator? | 16:11 |
Zdra | no | 16:11 |
Zdra | what indicator is supposed to looks like? | 16:11 |
kenvandine | an envelope | 16:11 |
Zdra | I see only a bubble for incoming msg, but no button to open the chat window | 16:11 |
kenvandine | right, you shouldn't | 16:12 |
kenvandine | it should appear as an item in the messaging menu (indicator) | 16:12 |
diverse_izzue | Zdra, indicator-applet is a panel-applet, not in the tray, maybe you have to add that first? | 16:12 |
kenvandine | if it isn't added, it should show the icon | 16:12 |
Zdra | diverse_izzue, oooh | 16:12 |
Zdra | that's was that | 16:12 |
Zdra | so there is no upgrade path | 16:13 |
Zdra | brilliant ! | 16:13 |
diverse_izzue | kenvandine, it doesn't show a tray icon even if i remove indicator-applet and restart empathy | 16:13 |
Zdra | I installed karmic without formating my $HOME, like everybody and that applet it not added to panel | 16:13 |
Zdra | making empathy unusable | 16:13 |
kenvandine | humm | 16:14 |
kenvandine | Zdra, well... that is a bug then | 16:14 |
kenvandine | if the indicator applet isn't loaded, it shouldn't try to use it | 16:14 |
kenvandine | it should show the icon | 16:14 |
kenvandine | Zdra, could you please file a bug for that? | 16:15 |
diverse_izzue | kenvandine, are you the main empathy guy for ubuntu? | 16:16 |
seb128 | Zdra, the applet should have been added in jaunty already, did you remove it there? | 16:16 |
kenvandine | i guess i ended up that way | 16:16 |
seb128 | I do look at it a bit too | 16:16 |
Zdra | seb128, probably | 16:16 |
seb128 | Zdra, that's why it's not added again | 16:16 |
Zdra | seb128, well, my $HOME is like 5years old | 16:16 |
kenvandine | the problem is we shouldn't try to use the indicator if it isn't there | 16:17 |
seb128 | still a bug that you don't get the icon without it | 16:17 |
Zdra | kenvandine, exactly. I'll file a bug | 16:17 |
diverse_izzue | thing is, i suggested organising an audio/video testing day over at #telepathy, because i had very little luck with that functionality until now. people said, sure, once 2.28 is out, and we figured trying to get the ubuntu guys on board would make sense. | 16:17 |
diverse_izzue | reason for organising a testing day is that, at least for me, it's difficult to find people to test with. also, there's loads of strange network configs out there, would be good to have a number of people testing and submitting logs | 16:18 |
kenvandine | Zdra, thx | 16:19 |
diverse_izzue | so kenvandine and seb128, would such a testing day be something you are interested in / willing to devote some time to? | 16:19 |
kenvandine | maybe... i have been testing video allot | 16:19 |
seb128 | diverse_izzue, talk to pedro when he's around, he's in the qa team and organize bug days, etc | 16:20 |
diverse_izzue | great, with how much success? and with which other clients? | 16:20 |
seb128 | diverse_izzue, talk to pedro when he's around, he's in the qa team and organize bug days, etc | 16:20 |
seb128 | ups sorry | 16:20 |
diverse_izzue | np, i'll keep an eye out for him | 16:20 |
Zdra | kenvandine, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/435329 | 16:21 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 435329 in empathy "Empathy is unusable if indicator applet is not on the panel" [Undecided,New] | 16:21 |
mac_v | Zdra: did you at any time earlier,in jaunty, remove the indicator applet from the panel? | 16:24 |
seb128 | mac_v, I already asked and said yes | 16:25 |
seb128 | mac_v, read backlog ;-) | 16:25 |
mac_v | Zdra: if you have removed it , it usually wont comeback unless you add it ;) | 16:25 |
Zdra | mac_v, seb128: I don't remember if I removed the applet or if it was never added. | 16:26 |
seb128 | you probably removed it | 16:26 |
Zdra | mac_v, indeed that's the best way to do ;) | 16:26 |
Zdra | add it the first time your are running a indicator-enabled ubuntu, then never add it back if I remove it | 16:27 |
mac_v | seb128: ah... just got the chat... irc delay ;) | 16:29 |
pitti | seb128, lool: ubuntu's glib2.0 has --enable-assert-messages, debian's doesn't; do we want to follow? | 16:45 |
pitti | (just merging glib2.0, for the /lib installation) | 16:45 |
james_w | kenvandine: empathy sets draw-attention on login notifications as well, I'm guessing it shouldn't? | 16:46 |
seb128 | pitti, seems a good idea, I think debian not having is an overlook | 16:46 |
kenvandine | already a bug for that :) | 16:46 |
seb128 | or is there a reason why it should be there? | 16:46 |
kenvandine | james_w, i hope to get to it after lunch :) | 16:46 |
pitti | seb128: no idea what it does, I just asked because I hoped you would | 16:47 |
james_w | "kenvandine: just call him Launchpad" | 16:47 |
james_w | thanks Ken | 16:47 |
kenvandine | :) | 16:47 |
kenvandine | np | 16:47 |
seb128 | pitti, isn't that the thing you added recently to make apport assert work? | 16:47 |
kenvandine | pitti, can we do another quick test? i need a little more debugging info on my end | 16:47 |
pitti | seb128: oh, duh | 16:47 |
pitti | of course | 16:47 |
kenvandine | and would like to compare results from the same remote :) | 16:47 |
* pitti headdesk | 16:47 | |
seb128 | ;-) | 16:47 |
pitti | seb128: another Q, if I may | 16:48 |
seb128 | yes sure | 16:48 |
pitti | * 02_usr_share_gnome_applications.patch: ported from GnomeVFS. Use | 16:48 |
pitti | /usr/share/gnome/applications/defaults.list to obtain the defaults | 16:48 |
pitti | for MIME mapping. Currently this file is still shipped by GnomeVFS. | 16:48 |
pitti | this was dropped in Debian | 16:48 |
pitti | and we don't have that file any more either | 16:48 |
seb128 | right | 16:48 |
seb128 | we never had | 16:48 |
pitti | I think it's okay to drop as well? | 16:48 |
seb128 | we use /usr/share/applications/defaults.list since always | 16:49 |
pitti | cool, then the only delta is my assertion messages thing | 16:49 |
pitti | and debian/watch looking for unstable versions | 16:49 |
pitti | no response on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594872 unfortuantely | 16:49 |
ubottu | Gnome bug 594872 in general "Support storing assertion messages into core dump" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] | 16:49 |
pitti | but well, it's easy enough to carry | 16:49 |
seb128 | right | 16:50 |
seb128 | since GNOME was mostly frozen I expect people didn't spend time reviewing such changes | 16:50 |
rugby471 | mvo_: hello | 16:56 |
mvo_ | hey rugby471 | 16:57 |
lool | pitti: we had an issue this morning with assert messages | 17:03 |
lool | pitti: I dont understand how but someone got warnings when upgrading some app from glib that libc6 didn't have it | 17:03 |
lool | hold on | 17:03 |
lool | pitti: 16:40 < rabeeh> gconftool: relocation error: /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0: symbol __abort_msg, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference | 17:05 |
pitti | lool: debian's glibc doesn't have that patch yet, I assume; it's not yet released upstream | 17:11 |
seb128 | pitti, btw we didn't resume the discussion yesterday after the meeting but the icon theme needs to be changed | 17:14 |
seb128 | pitti, could you make sure humanity is installed by default? | 17:14 |
seb128 | pitti, I will do the schemas change to match that | 17:14 |
pitti | wow, our first working A/V call with kenvandine \o/ | 17:14 |
kenvandine | woot! | 17:14 |
seb128 | nice | 17:14 |
seb128 | what did you fix? | 17:14 |
pitti | well, it worked after a few iterations and crashes | 17:15 |
pitti | I had to restart the telepathy daemons | 17:15 |
pitti | seb128: humanity> sure, seeding | 17:17 |
seb128 | pitti, thanks | 17:17 |
huats | seb128: I am looking at the versions page. Do you have anything in mind that might need an update ? | 17:17 |
pitti | seb128: instead of or in addition to human-icon-theme ? | 17:17 |
pitti | gtk-update-icon-cache: The generated cache was invalid. | 17:18 |
pitti | WARNING: icon cache generation failed for /usr/share/icons/Humanity | 17:18 |
pitti | seb128: should that concern me? | 17:18 |
seb128 | djsiegel, ^ do you know? | 17:18 |
seb128 | pitti, I will look at the cache issue | 17:19 |
djsiegel | seb128: looking into it | 17:19 |
pitti | djsiegel: should we install humanity instead of or in addition to human-icon-theme? | 17:20 |
seb128 | djsiegel, I was asking about ^ | 17:20 |
djsiegel | oh, instead of | 17:20 |
lool | pitti: He said that was with karmic | 17:20 |
* pitti hopes for "instead of", cd space wise | 17:20 | |
pitti | lool: weird | 17:20 |
djsiegel | the human dependency is being removed from humanity | 17:20 |
pitti | oh, right, it depends on it | 17:21 |
lool | pitti: So what did you want to do in debian? enable-assert in glib even if eglibc doesn't have it? | 17:21 |
pitti | so I can unseed it | 17:21 |
seb128 | pitti, ok | 17:21 |
pitti | lool: nothing right now | 17:21 |
mac_v | pitti: djsiegel the new package is from which upstream rev? we have added several fixes | 17:21 |
lool | pitti: k | 17:21 |
pitti | Version: 0.2+snapshot20090929+r244-0ubuntu1 | 17:21 |
pitti | ^ in karmic | 17:21 |
lool | djsiegel: Oh what is this about? Using Humanity in the Ubuntu Desktop Edition as well? | 17:21 |
djsiegel | lool: yes | 17:21 |
lool | mac_v: Did you release a 0.3? | 17:21 |
mac_v | pitti: we are at rev 274 , right now , that has fixed a lot of bugs | 17:22 |
* lool notes that 20090929 is uterly confused *gah* | 17:22 | |
mac_v | lool: havent yet , still a few fixes are waiting | 17:22 |
lool | it was 19 not 29 | 17:22 |
pitti | we always live in the future :) | 17:22 |
rugby471 | mvo_: regarding bug 432610 | 17:22 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 432610 in software-store "Cannot remove app if it has an upgrade available" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432610 | 17:22 |
djsiegel | pitti: :) | 17:22 |
rugby471 | mvo_: do we want to keep upgrade button, you and mpt were talking about removing it | 17:22 |
pitti | seb128: oh, it's not even seeded | 17:23 |
rugby471 | mvo_: just so I know before I fix it | 17:23 |
djsiegel | pitti mac_v seb128 kwwii , I think we want head bzr for humanity, it keeps getting more fixes each day | 17:23 |
lool | mac_v: Ok just dont expect us to have latest rev of the day obviously :-) | 17:23 |
djsiegel | and it's just icons, no code | 17:23 |
mac_v | lool: yeah , sure | 17:23 |
seb128 | djsiegel, we can't upload after each commit | 17:23 |
lool | djsiegel: You realize that I pushed it? | 17:23 |
pitti | seb128: I'll fix human-theme and notify-osd dependencies | 17:23 |
djsiegel | seb128: right, I know | 17:23 |
seb128 | pitti, thanks | 17:23 |
djsiegel | lool, I realize that you pushed what where? | 17:23 |
lool | djsiegel: I uploaded the last couple of humanity-icon-theme packages to karmic | 17:24 |
djsiegel | lool: ok, and? | 17:24 |
mvo_ | rugby471: I leave that to mpt, its trivial to remove the button, I don't mind | 17:24 |
djsiegel | lool: good? | 17:24 |
pitti | djsiegel, MacSlow: will notify-osd get along fine with humanity? | 17:24 |
pitti | I'm going to change its dependency from human to humanity | 17:24 |
rugby471 | mpt: do we want to keep it or remove? | 17:24 |
djsiegel | pitti: I am told notify-osd icons are being placed in an independent icon theme | 17:25 |
lool | djsiegel: Well I discover this discussion by accident; perhaps you could consider mentioning to me that a new humanity will be pushed? this impacts UNR immediately | 17:25 |
lool | And we're within UI freeze | 17:25 |
pitti | (so are we..) | 17:25 |
MacSlow | pitti, I'm running it for several weeks now with humnity... looks good, can't complain | 17:25 |
pitti | MacSlow: ok, so I'll just flip the dependency, thanks | 17:25 |
mpt | rugby471, I would rather remove it, partly because I don't yet know how or even whether the Store should do updates at all, and partly because we don't yet have update-specific variations of <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=transaction-config-conflict-installation.jpg> | 17:25 |
djsiegel | lool: I don't know anything about new humanity being pushed, I am just recommending that head bzr humanity always be used if someone is looking to package it | 17:26 |
MacSlow | pitti, argl... crap... | 17:26 |
lool | pitti, seb128: So you guys got a request from UX to switch to humanity? | 17:26 |
pitti | MacSlow: ? | 17:26 |
MacSlow | pitti, I'm using "GNOME-Human" | 17:26 |
MacSlow | pitti, sorry | 17:26 |
mac_v | djsiegel: any decision on the notify-osd icons? do we want to use the icons from Human or use Humanity's ones? if we want to use Humans , we need to remove Humanity's icons | 17:26 |
seb128 | lool, djsiegel requested it | 17:26 |
rugby471 | mpt mvo: ok removing button | 17:26 |
mpt | rugby471, and partly because it would be an easy way of fixing that bug :-) | 17:26 |
lool | djsiegel: Last upload was Sunday evening and I took a snapshot at that time | 17:26 |
MacSlow | pitti, I don't have humanity installed at all. | 17:26 |
lool | -- Loïc Minier <loic.minier@ubuntu.com> Sun, 20 Sep 2009 22:26:57 +0200 | 17:26 |
MacSlow | pitti, one sec | 17:26 |
lool | I think it's pretty nice we have a fresh one already | 17:26 |
rugby471 | mpt: hehe, well just as easy to solve it the other way :-) | 17:26 |
djsiegel | lool: sure | 17:26 |
pitti | MacSlow: I do now, and I still get notifications | 17:26 |
seb128 | lool, do you know what is the issue with the icon theme caching? | 17:27 |
lool | seb128: No; which issue? | 17:27 |
lool | 18:18 < pitti> WARNING: icon cache generation failed for /usr/share/icons/Humanity | 17:27 |
seb128 | lool, sudo gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/Humanity | 17:27 |
seb128 | gtk-update-icon-cache: The generated cache was invalid. | 17:27 |
MacSlow | pitti, well you should still get them... I was just assuming you were asking for missing or wrong icon-errors | 17:27 |
djsiegel | kwwii lool seb128 pitti: perhaps the cache is not built because the files are svg? | 17:27 |
pitti | MacSlow: right, I was | 17:27 |
seb128 | djsiegel, it should cope with that, other theme have scalable icons too | 17:27 |
lool | seb128, pitti: So we're changing the default theme in the desktop for beta? | 17:28 |
seb128 | lool, yes | 17:28 |
lool | seb128: I have no idea; I would have to strace and/or dig into Gtk+ | 17:28 |
pitti | lool: apparently | 17:28 |
DBO | everyones favorite intern is here to debug humanity not generating an icon cache! | 17:28 |
seb128 | djsiegel, urg, you install svg files out of scalable? | 17:28 |
MacSlow | hey DBO | 17:28 |
pitti | MacSlow: volume up/down works, anyway | 17:29 |
djsiegel | seb128: ? | 17:29 |
DBO | hey MacSlow | 17:29 |
seb128 | hello DBO | 17:29 |
seb128 | djsiegel, I'm not sure that's right | 17:29 |
MacSlow | pitti, trying with Humanity too now | 17:29 |
djsiegel | seb128: me neither | 17:29 |
seb128 | djsiegel, scalable icons should go to scalable | 17:29 |
pitti | seems I better hold back for now? | 17:29 |
seb128 | and other should be png ones | 17:29 |
djsiegel | seb128, talk to kwwii | 17:29 |
djsiegel | I don't know about icon themes | 17:29 |
DBO | seb128, thats not true | 17:29 |
seb128 | why do you guys always come with disruptive changes one day before freeze? | 17:29 |
mac_v | seb128: not necessarily | 17:29 |
mac_v | all icons can be svg | 17:30 |
seb128 | ui should be frozen for weeks | 17:30 |
DBO | seb128, to make life hard | 17:30 |
djsiegel | seb128: this is my first cycle working on ubuntu | 17:30 |
DBO | mine too | 17:30 |
djsiegel | seb128: so I do it always if you mean 1 out of 1 times :) | 17:30 |
djsiegel | seb128: it came from mark and ivanka | 17:30 |
seb128 | mac_v, ok, well there is something gtk doesn't like | 17:30 |
DBO | seb128, where can I get the Humanity package you guys made? | 17:30 |
DBO | I want to fix the icon cache thingie | 17:30 |
djsiegel | DBO: lool packaged it | 17:30 |
pitti | admittedly ArtworkDeadline is september 24 | 17:31 |
pitti | i. e. tomorrow | 17:31 |
seb128 | DBO, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/h/humanity-icon-theme/ | 17:31 |
lool | DBO: In karmic as usual | 17:31 |
lool | DBO: Dist upgrade! | 17:31 |
seb128 | pitti, well, that's mean to be tweaks not landing something 100% new | 17:32 |
DBO | hey, I upgraded to karmic yesterday! | 17:32 |
pitti | seb128: yes, ideally | 17:32 |
DBO | my hard drive crashed :( | 17:32 |
seb128 | DBO, sudo apt-get install humanity-icon-theme | 17:32 |
djsiegel | seb128: hope you're prepared for 100% wallpapers! they are gorgeous | 17:32 |
seb128 | djsiegel, what is that? ;-) | 17:32 |
seb128 | how many wallpapers? | 17:32 |
djsiegel | seb128: the new wallpapers, from the contest | 17:32 |
rugby471 | djsiegel: what package are they in? | 17:33 |
* DBO waits for his mp3 support to finish installing | 17:33 | |
djsiegel | we picked 20 I think, but are picking 5 or 8 to try to squeeze into the install | 17:33 |
seb128 | djsiegel, you expect that to land on the default install? | 17:33 |
djsiegel | not sure which package | 17:33 |
djsiegel | kwwii knows more about how we are getting these to users | 17:33 |
djsiegel | I hope a couple go into the install | 17:33 |
pitti | 695M 2009-09-23 13:51 karmic-desktop-amd64.iso | 17:34 |
seb128 | djsiegel, you realize that beta freeze is tomorrow right? | 17:34 |
pitti | well, that's the bar :) | 17:34 |
djsiegel | seb128: yes | 17:34 |
rugby471 | kwwii: ^ any idea which package? | 17:34 |
seb128 | djsiegel, and that it's really over late to add new things | 17:34 |
mac_v | rugby471: its not out yet ;p | 17:34 |
djsiegel | seb128: well, we have these wallpapers... | 17:34 |
rugby471 | mac_v: oh okay :-) | 17:34 |
lool | pitti, seb128, djsiegel: I pushed r276 (two more revs than 10 minute ago!) to karmic | 17:34 |
seb128 | djsiegel, and we have CD to rolls and no free space | 17:34 |
djsiegel | lool: nice | 17:35 |
MacSlow | pitti, with humanity everything here works as expected | 17:35 |
seb128 | lool, thanks, let's see if that fixes the icon cache issue ;-) | 17:35 |
pitti | MacSlow: thanks for confirming | 17:35 |
djsiegel | seb128: ok, then I guess we'll just barely make it! | 17:35 |
pitti | seb128, lool: I'm not quite sure, is the icon cache thing a bug, or is svg in non-scalable a bug? | 17:35 |
lool | seb128: Can I haz latest rev of GNOME? ;-) | 17:35 |
seb128 | I've no clue | 17:35 |
djsiegel | seb128: or maybe we can put the in U1 | 17:35 |
pitti | in other words, should I still switch to humanity now? | 17:35 |
djsiegel | DBO, can you comment on icon caching? | 17:35 |
lool | pitti: No idea right now | 17:35 |
DBO | in what manner? | 17:35 |
seb128 | pitti, I'm too busy to track that before beta | 17:36 |
DBO | basically it takes all the icons and packs them into a single file | 17:36 |
djsiegel | should pitti still switch to humanity even with the caching warning | 17:36 |
seb128 | not sure how unhappy djsiegel will be if we don't switch icon theme | 17:36 |
lool | pitti: I raised some issues with humanity in UNR and was about to revert back to Human last Friday; that's why we get a new rev every second and I gather it's also how it came on the radar for desktop again | 17:36 |
lool | pitti: I think most issues are being fixed and the icon theme worked decently in UNR | 17:36 |
lool | pitti: Cant say whether icon caches have been broken forever though | 17:37 |
pitti | lool: I guess not having a cache is mainly a performance problem then? It seems to work, at least | 17:37 |
djsiegel | lool pitti, ivanka chatted with sabdfl about it and thought the decisions was to put humanity back in UNR and on the desktop. | 17:37 |
lool | It's only a performance problem yes | 17:37 |
djsiegel | So I told you fine gents. | 17:37 |
lool | djsiegel: Thanks; I heard from ivanka earlier that she only had permission to change the icon theme in UNR, not in the desktop, but it seemed that just changed | 17:37 |
lool | I think it's better if we get that in karmic rather than lucid | 17:38 |
seb128 | right, that too | 17:38 |
lool | But then as seb128 says, it's a pain to get these the day before beta freeze | 17:38 |
djsiegel | lool: sounds reasonable, and yes it's a pain | 17:38 |
djsiegel | if DBO can fix the cache issue, when can that fix go in? | 17:40 |
seb128 | djsiegel, you seem to assume all those changes are fine and easy so late ... | 17:40 |
djsiegel | seb128: no, I am not assuming that, I am asking. | 17:41 |
DBO | if I can fix this issue while also combating swine flu, I deserve a medal | 17:41 |
seb128 | well I'm not even sure it's reasonable to change so late | 17:41 |
djsiegel | seb128: I was told "make it so." If it's too late, it's too late. | 17:41 |
pitti | djsiegel: yes, fixing the icon cache is reasonable to do after beta | 17:41 |
seb128 | djsiegel, but I guess we don't really have a choice there? | 17:41 |
pitti | djsiegel: I'm actually less concerned about fixing it than breaking it in the first place | 17:41 |
pitti | I don't know what happens if we install/use a broken icon cache by default | 17:42 |
djsiegel | pitti: me neither | 17:42 |
djsiegel | pitti: DBO knows | 17:42 |
seb128 | me neither | 17:42 |
seb128 | we never had a broken cache before | 17:42 |
seb128 | that's the first theme to do that | 17:42 |
seb128 | I'm a bit concerned that the svg everywhere is a design mistake or something | 17:42 |
seb128 | and leads to trouble | 17:42 |
djsiegel | I wish DBO, kwwii, and DanRabbit were discussing this. | 17:42 |
djsiegel | They know about these things, I do not! | 17:43 |
mac_v | seb128: there are several requests for svg icons ;) | 17:43 |
seb128 | the svg icons are probably not the issue | 17:43 |
seb128 | not sure what is | 17:43 |
DBO | seb128, svg's are not truly scalable like people like to think | 17:43 |
DBO | if you take an svg designed for display at 24x24 and display it at 32x32 it will have pixel alignment issues | 17:44 |
DBO | and will not be crisp and sharp like intended | 17:44 |
seb128 | DBO, I was rather concerned about them confusing the icon cache generation code | 17:44 |
DBO | they dont | 17:44 |
seb128 | ok, so not sure what does | 17:44 |
DBO | elementary icon set (which is what humanity is based on) generates fine | 17:44 |
mac_v | seb128: oh.. wait a min, we have the folders arranged differently from Human | 17:44 |
DBO | seb128, elementary icon set (which is what humanity is based on) generates fine | 17:45 |
mac_v | maybe that is causing this | 17:45 |
seb128 | re | 17:45 |
seb128 | sorry about that | 17:45 |
djsiegel | pitti: where do you see that icon cache warning? | 17:46 |
pitti | djsiegel: just when installing the package | 17:46 |
djsiegel | pitti lool, is it a packaging error? | 17:46 |
pitti | $ sudo update-icon-caches /usr/share/icons/Humanity | 17:46 |
pitti | gtk-update-icon-cache: The generated cache was invalid. | 17:46 |
pitti | WARNING: icon cache generation failed for /usr/share/icons/Humanity | 17:46 |
pitti | djsiegel: no, that calls update-icon-caches | 17:46 |
mac_v | pitti: the Humanity's folder structure is different from Human's , could that be causing this? | 17:47 |
pitti | so it doesn't generate /usr/share/icons/Humanity/icon-theme.cache | 17:47 |
pitti | mac_v: I don't know | 17:47 |
pitti | mac_v: oooh | 17:47 |
seb128 | it generates a .icon-theme.cache though | 17:47 |
pitti | seb128: not here | 17:47 |
tgpraveen | is humanity going to be the defaull i con theme in karmic? | 17:47 |
DBO | its invalid | 17:47 |
seb128 | urg | 17:47 |
seb128 | the layout is not correct | 17:47 |
pitti | all other layouts are size/category/ | 17:48 |
seb128 | tgpraveen, it's being discussed | 17:48 |
seb128 | pitti, which is what the spec describes | 17:48 |
pitti | and humanity is category/size | 17:48 |
pitti | mac_v: so yes, seems the structure needs to be fixed | 17:48 |
djsiegel | weird, why does it still work? | 17:48 |
mac_v | we have it as category/size | 17:48 |
djsiegel | I mean, you'd think it wouldn't even work | 17:48 |
seb128 | djsiegel, the index file is buggy too | 17:48 |
pitti | ♩ it's a kind of magic ♪ ♫ | 17:48 |
seb128 | or rather describe the buggy layout | 17:49 |
DBO | size/category category/size does not matter | 17:49 |
tgpraveen | \o/ oh please do this it would really make karmic wonderful | 17:49 |
DBO | the layout is not the issue | 17:49 |
pitti | also, other icon themes use 32x32, humanity just uses 32 | 17:49 |
DBO | its going to be something simpler like specifying a non-existent file in hte layout | 17:49 |
DBO | seriously... it's not the layout... | 17:49 |
seb128 | ok, I'm busy with other things | 17:50 |
seb128 | I don't intend to spend times on that | 17:50 |
seb128 | I've other bugs to fix before beta | 17:50 |
djsiegel | seb128: DBO and Dan and I will look into it | 17:50 |
seb128 | djsiegel, thanks | 17:50 |
djsiegel | seb128: go work on more important stuff | 17:50 |
DBO | I'll have it fixed soon | 17:50 |
seb128 | let we know if you can get it working | 17:50 |
djsiegel | DBO: I called Dan and he doesn't know what's up | 17:50 |
djsiegel | DBO: but I trust you can fix it :) | 17:50 |
DBO | DanBunny isn't a gtk internal workings kinda guy | 17:50 |
pitti | sudo gtk-update-icon-cache --force /usr/share/icons/Humanity | 17:50 |
pitti | ^ without --quiet | 17:51 |
* DBO loves calling him danbunny | 17:51 | |
pitti | (as update-icon-caches does) | 17:51 |
pitti | but still no insight | 17:51 |
djsiegel | DBO: can you ping jimmac? | 17:51 |
DBO | about? | 17:51 |
djsiegel | this problem | 17:51 |
DBO | for what reason? helping with this? | 17:51 |
djsiegel | yes | 17:51 |
DBO | sure | 17:52 |
pitti | oh, so it's probably working because index.theme has the matching structure? | 17:53 |
djsiegel | pitti: right | 17:53 |
seb128 | yes | 17:53 |
pitti | lool: does it still fail with your latest bzr head crack? | 17:53 |
pitti | lool: also, does the latest version still depend on human-icon-theme? THey are quite big,so I wouldn't like to have both on the CD | 17:54 |
pitti | kwwii: can you please bzr pull lp:~ubuntu-desktop/human-theme/humanity in lp:~~ubuntu-art-pkg/human-theme/ubuntu ? | 17:56 |
MacSlow | seb128, I'm still waiting on two merge-proposal reviews... not sure when those will happen... would it be very bad if I can't roll notify-osd 0.9.22 today? | 17:56 |
djsiegel | pitti: the author says humanity was depending on human for notify-osd icons | 17:56 |
djsiegel | MacSlow: ^ | 17:57 |
pitti | kwwii: (without my obvious ~~ typo, of course) | 17:57 |
djsiegel | MacSlow, weren't notify-osd icons moved to their own icon theme? | 17:57 |
* MacSlow rolls eyes | 17:57 | |
MacSlow | djsiegel, not that I know of | 17:57 |
pitti | MacSlow: certainly you don't need the entire 13 MB of it? | 17:57 |
pitti | i. e. could they be copied/moved to humanity instead? | 17:58 |
MacSlow | pitti, the notify-osd icons are 13 MBytes?! Uff! | 17:58 |
pitti | MacSlow: no, but human-icon-theme is | 17:58 |
pitti | and I guess you only need like 4 icons from them | 17:58 |
MacSlow | pitti, or ... ah.. yeah... assumed that afterwards | 17:58 |
lool | pitti: I had the same objection as you | 17:58 |
lool | pitti: WRT size | 17:59 |
MacSlow | pitti, it's a bit more than 4 :) -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Icon | 17:59 |
lool | pitti: But we themes are still entanged | 17:59 |
pitti | MacSlow: well, but human-icon-theme ships 1716 | 17:59 |
lool | pitti: I had in mind I could build-dep on human and copy all missing icons at build time if upstream didn't bother with that | 17:59 |
lool | pitti: I dont know whether the latest version resolves the cache issue | 17:59 |
lool | I'm in the middle of more urgent stuff so cant debug the cache issue right now | 18:00 |
pitti | lool: nevermind | 18:00 |
MacSlow | pitti, in terms of packaging notify-osd _related_ icons... kwwii would know a lot more about the status quo then I do | 18:00 |
MacSlow | pitti, my brain is pure goo atm anyway | 18:00 |
pitti | MacSlow: that means that I shouldn't really change notify-osd's dependency until this is resolved | 18:01 |
MacSlow | pitti, yeah... better not yet | 18:01 |
pitti | MacSlow, djsiegel: who can I ask about moving/copying the notify-osd icons to humanity? | 18:01 |
djsiegel | pitti: I think kwwii would know? | 18:01 |
* pitti files a bug to track this | 18:02 | |
mac_v | pitti: the last i know , was kwwii said he was moving them to their own theme , not to humanity | 18:02 |
pitti | either way | 18:02 |
djsiegel | Yes, I heard that a new theme with just n-osd icons was being created, and the humanity dependency was being switched from human to notify-osd-icons | 18:03 |
seb128 | MacSlow, tomorrow is fine for the tarball | 18:03 |
mac_v | djsiegel: we want to use the present notify-osd icons in the default install , right? If so , i need to fix it in Humanity , | 18:03 |
djsiegel | mac_v, right | 18:03 |
MacSlow | seb128, ok... I'll email you and kenvandine anyway | 18:04 |
mac_v | ok , so removing the Humanity's notify-osd icons | 18:04 |
seb128 | MacSlow, ok thanks | 18:04 |
seb128 | "<djsiegel> Yes, I heard that a new theme with just n-osd icons was being created" | 18:04 |
seb128 | djsiegel, is that yet another change we will need to figure before tomorrow? | 18:04 |
seb128 | where is this new theme? | 18:04 |
djsiegel | seb128: I don't know, kwwii knows about it and I can't get ahold of him. | 18:05 |
ccheney | looks like i may be out on friday, should know for certain by later today | 18:07 |
pitti | for the record, bug 435394 and bug 435397 for trackign those | 18:09 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 435394 in human-icon-theme "Please move/copy notify-osd icons to humanity-icon-theme or its own theme" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435394 | 18:09 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 435397 in humanity-icon-theme "Does not create icon cache" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435397 | 18:09 |
djsiegel | pitti: calling ken now | 18:11 |
pitti | djsiegel: thanks | 18:11 |
pitti | djsiegel: I'm just keen to have bugs for those, as a place for discussion and also to track the issue | 18:12 |
djsiegel | pitti: ken says he is working on it and it will be in ubuntu tomorrow | 18:13 |
djsiegel | pitti: the independent icon theme for notify-osd | 18:14 |
pitti | awesome | 18:14 |
DBO | djsiegel, almost fixed... | 18:14 |
djsiegel | pitti: and DBO has almost fixed the cache issue :) | 18:14 |
pitti | rock | 18:14 |
pitti | that was fast | 18:14 |
pitti | DBO: out of interest, what was the reason? | 18:14 |
DBO | bad svg | 18:14 |
kwwii | pitti: the notify-osd icons are going in their own set so we can use the new licensing anyway | 18:15 |
kwwii | btw, someone should run all of humanity through inkscape to remove the extra cruft, it can be done on the command line irrc | 18:15 |
mac_v | kwwii: it has been already done | 18:16 |
DBO | Humanity is pretty clean | 18:16 |
mac_v | any particular icons? | 18:16 |
DBO | cruft has been removed | 18:16 |
mac_v | kwwii: ^ | 18:16 |
DBO | I made Danbunny an icon benchmarking software | 18:16 |
DBO | so he could identify icons which are slow due to cruft | 18:16 |
chrisccoulson | hey pitti - i see HAL no longer depends on the old policykit:) | 18:16 |
chrisccoulson | so it's just screen-resolution-extra and checkbox now? | 18:16 |
pitti | chrisccoulson: yep, it's done \o/ | 18:17 |
mac_v | DBO: there is 1 issue still where several icons have exec bits... Dan deleted the script. do you have one or could you come up with one :) | 18:17 |
pitti | I think it fell out of the default install now? | 18:17 |
chrisccoulson | pitti - which one? | 18:17 |
chrisccoulson | both? | 18:17 |
pitti | chrisccoulson: no, I meant hal | 18:17 |
pitti | argh, checkbox, indeed | 18:17 |
chrisccoulson | does Xorg still need HAL? | 18:17 |
DBO | mac_v, ask again but this time take into account I have swine flu, so talk to me like I am a child :) I have no idea what you want | 18:17 |
pitti | chrisccoulson: I don't see it in screen-resolution-extra, though? | 18:17 |
pitti | chrisccoulson: yes, X still uses it | 18:18 |
chrisccoulson | pitti - i still have policies for screen-resolution-extra here, so i assume it still needs it | 18:18 |
kwwii | btw, I already packaged humanity (in my ppa) | 18:18 |
chrisccoulson | it would be nice to migrate the remaining 2 so that the old policykit can disappear from the defaut install | 18:18 |
kwwii | mac_v, DBO cool | 18:18 |
pitti | chrisccoulson: weird, I purged it from my system already | 18:19 |
DBO | lool, mac_v, djsiegel mv /usr/share/Humanity/status/22/user-away\ -1.svg /usr/share/Humanity/status/22/user-away-1.svg | 18:19 |
DBO | fixes the icon cache creation | 18:19 |
chrisccoulson | hmmm, that's strange | 18:19 |
mac_v | DBO: already fixed ;p | 18:19 |
DBO | damnit | 18:19 |
pitti | chrisccoulson: eww, you are right; it's missing a dependency | 18:19 |
mac_v | DBO: that was an old rev , not meant for packaging :( | 18:19 |
pitti | chrisccoulson: ah, checkobx only recommends it | 18:19 |
DBO | mac_v, when did it get fixed? | 18:19 |
chrisccoulson | ah, so that probably still needs fixing | 18:20 |
mac_v | DBO: not sure when , but recently after sunday | 18:20 |
lool | mac_v: When was that fixed/ | 18:20 |
chrisccoulson | i see i'm not popular for disabling services-admin. apparently, we should have just fixed the old tool rather than removing it | 18:20 |
mac_v | lool:let me chcek rev | 18:21 |
DBO | mac_v, but thats what causing the cache creation issues in Humanity | 18:21 |
DBO | so it is a non-issue? | 18:21 |
lool | mac_v: So you tell me we should be running the latest rev and then you tell me some rev are not fit for packaging :-9 | 18:21 |
lool | mac_v: Well as long as it was fixed some hours ago it's ok | 18:21 |
lool | pitti: So according to DBO and mac_v, icon cache should work again | 18:21 |
DBO | yeah | 18:22 |
mac_v | lool: hmm.. it was fixed in rev 241 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~elementaryicons/humanity/Humanity/revision/241 | 18:23 |
mac_v | oh sorry wrong rev! | 18:23 |
mac_v | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~elementaryicons/humanity/Humanity/revision/246 | 18:24 |
mac_v | lool: argh , sorry for the confusion guys :( , we forgot the schedule | 18:24 |
phreestyle-work | have a question...I don't even know if this is the right room to ask, so please point me in the right direction if this is the wrong room: I'm a Windows developer (C#) during the day, but I like Ubuntu and I find and report bugs on a regular basis, but the bugs almost never get fixed. I'd like to learn how to fix them myself. I'm learning Python and have already have a good handle on programming concepts, so is there a place I can get help f | 18:24 |
DBO | lool, so new package soon? | 18:29 |
mac_v | DBO: there is 1 issue with Humanity's icons , they somehow get saved as executable files , we need to remove the exec bits from only the files which have wrong privilages ... Dan had a script but has lost it now... Could you come up with a script which only corrects the icon priv? | 18:32 |
DBO | mac_v, where can I branch it? | 18:33 |
DBO | lp:humanity? | 18:33 |
mac_v | yup | 18:33 |
DBO | chmod -x */*/*.svg | 18:35 |
DBO | from the Humanity directory | 18:35 |
mac_v | DBO: that doesnt seem to work on symlinks | 18:36 |
DBO | symlinks should be lrwxrwxrwx | 18:36 |
DBO | thats just how symlinks are | 18:36 |
mac_v | oh , ok... DBO but why do i get error only for a few symlinks? | 18:38 |
DBO | because you have dangling symlinks | 18:38 |
mac_v | ah! , thanks :) | 18:39 |
DBO | either you are missing icons in bzr, or your symlinks have been allowed to rot | 18:41 |
mac_v | DBO: yeah , i had just removed the notification-* icons and thats why i got the error... | 18:50 |
mac_v | DBO: thanks and get well soon :) | 18:50 |
hggdh | seb128: hi -- bug 351577 -- AFAICR we would need to upgrade libpst to a newer version to get it compatible with Evo 2.28. I do not think it is worth it ATM | 18:58 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 351577 in libpst "[MIR] libpst" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/351577 | 18:58 |
tgpraveen | kenvandine: so what was the final decision will karmic have msn av chat? | 19:06 |
tgpraveen | kenvandine: also did u check if with i-a in karmic does it store missed calls? and on clicking on them in i-a goes to the make a call interface? | 19:07 |
kenvandine | tgpraveen, i haven't tested that | 19:08 |
tgpraveen | and msn av chat support? | 19:08 |
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tgpraveen | kenvandine: ^^ | 19:11 |
kenvandine | tgpraveen, not sure atm... sorry busy :/ | 19:11 |
tgpraveen | k | 19:12 |
DanRabbit | OKay, I'm here | 19:34 |
DanRabbit | djsiegel: what's up? | 19:35 |
djsiegel | DanRabbit: hey, talk to kwwii lool DBO :) | 19:35 |
DanRabbit | kwwii, lool, DBO: ping | 19:36 |
DBO | djsiegel, why? we resolved the issue | 19:36 |
djsiegel | DanRabbit: you'll need to talk to kwwii about dropping the human dependency and adding a notify-osd-icons dependency | 19:37 |
djsiegel | DanRabbit: kwwii says that will be ready tomorrow | 19:37 |
djsiegel | DanRabbit: then work with kwwii and lool, and propitiate pitti and seb128 to get humanity in | 19:38 |
djsiegel | looks like everything is in place, but just be on your toes | 19:38 |
DanRabbit | okay, well I'm in between school and 2nd job and then I have 1st job | 19:38 |
DanRabbit | so... | 19:38 |
djsiegel | so just keep your phone with you, I will call | 19:39 |
DanRabbit | okay. | 19:39 |
DanRabbit | if it's really necessary I can probably call in sick from work | 19:39 |
djsiegel | DanRabbit: we also need to review U1 icons | 19:39 |
DanRabbit | but only if it's ABSOLUTELY necessary | 19:39 |
djsiegel | yeah, don't do that | 19:39 |
mac_v | DanRabbit: djsiegel almost all has been sorted out , when kwwii mentions the name of the new theme i can fix it ;) | 19:40 |
djsiegel | ok, great | 19:40 |
mac_v | DanRabbit: no need to take a day off ;p | 19:40 |
DanRabbit | djsiegel: what's up with notification icons as far as the ones we have like the lightbulb | 19:44 |
DanRabbit | should we remove those for now? | 19:44 |
djsiegel | DanRabbit: ah | 19:45 |
djsiegel | DanRabbit: I suppose those should be removed | 19:45 |
djsiegel | unless you can convince mpt to use it :) | 19:45 |
djsiegel | too bad | 19:45 |
djsiegel | yes, too late now, do not override notify-osd icons | 19:45 |
mac_v | djsiegel: DanRabbit: already removed ;) ... mpt wont accept it either | 19:45 |
DBO | mac_v == artist or code monkay? | 19:46 |
DanRabbit | mac_v == super hero | 19:46 |
lool | Am I needed for anything here? | 19:46 |
mac_v | ;p | 19:46 |
DBO | mac_v will wear a cape forever in my mind | 19:47 |
DanRabbit | lool: I'm not sure why David had me ping you ;) | 19:47 |
mac_v | lool: if you give another 1 hr a fully functional new Humanity package will be ready :) | 19:47 |
lool | mac_v: Final karmic one? | 19:47 |
mac_v | almost , untill someone finds something | 19:47 |
lool | Ok; ping me when that's ready | 19:48 |
lool | unlikely that I'm around in one hour but I'll pick it up tomorrow | 19:48 |
djsiegel | mac_v is a super hero | 20:06 |
djsiegel | he has the paper cut scars covering his hands to prove it | 20:07 |
djsiegel | DanRabbit: when you have time, can we review UI icons | 20:07 |
DanRabbit | yea, give me 2 seconds | 20:07 |
seb128 | hggdh, hi, bug #349312 | 20:12 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 349312 in evolution "Evolution 2.26 does not support import of outlook .pst" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/349312 | 20:12 |
seb128 | hggdh, I tried to update it some weeks ago and failed | 20:13 |
seb128 | it fails to build on something pythonish | 20:13 |
DanRabbit | djsiegel: can I review those with you in about an hour and a half? | 20:14 |
djsiegel | sure | 20:14 |
seb128 | hggdh, details are on bug #349312 | 20:15 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 349312 in evolution "Evolution 2.26 does not support import of outlook .pst" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/349312 | 20:15 |
DanRabbit | okay, a new release is available 0.3.1 | 20:15 |
DanRabbit | be back ASAP | 20:15 |
DanRabbit | bye' | 20:15 |
seb128 | hggdh, details are on bug #349312 | 20:16 |
seb128 | ups | 20:16 |
seb128 | wrong focus | 20:16 |
seb128 | brb | 20:16 |
mac_v | lool: done > https://launchpad.net/humanity/0.3/0.3 , the 0.3.1 is the version | 20:19 |
hggdh | seb128will look at it | 20:28 |
mac_v | seb128: regarding Bug #204567 , mpt said he was busy to review the bug... | 20:47 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 204567 in gnome-panel "Downloads should go to ~/Downloads" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204567 | 20:47 |
seb128 | mac_v, ok | 20:47 |
mac_v | the panel now is full with 5 bookmarks , we need to increase the limit | 20:47 |
seb128 | mac_v, what value do you recommend? | 20:48 |
mac_v | seb128: 7 should do it , considering we have Ubuntuone also | 20:49 |
seb128 | ok, I was thinking 8 | 20:49 |
seb128 | let's try 8 for beta? | 20:49 |
mac_v | even better ;) | 20:49 |
seb128 | I will do the change now | 20:49 |
mac_v | seb128: great... thanks :) | 20:49 |
seb128 | np | 20:49 |
pitti | I'll go offline, need to catch up on some urgent beta stuff, and then call it a day | 21:17 |
pitti | cu tomorrow! | 21:17 |
lool | bye | 21:17 |
seb128 | pitti, see you | 21:23 |
seb128 | chrisccoulson, Laney, didrocks: wanting to do some updates? | 21:23 |
Laney | what you got? | 21:24 |
Laney | I'm doing tomboy for debian atm | 21:24 |
seb128 | Laney, deskbar-applet | 21:25 |
seb128 | hamster-applet | 21:25 |
seb128 | gnome-backgrounds | 21:25 |
seb128 | sound-juicer to resync on debian | 21:25 |
seb128 | sabayon to resync on debian | 21:25 |
Laney | noted | 21:26 |
seb128 | seahorse-plugins | 21:26 |
seb128 | evolution-mapi | 21:27 |
seb128 | if you start on something mention it there ;-) | 21:27 |
seb128 | thanks | 21:27 |
seb128 | hggdh_, still there? | 21:29 |
lool | mac_v: Pushed | 21:30 |
lool | mac_v: Let me know if you drop the dep on Human at some point | 21:30 |
mac_v | lool: sure... as soon as kwwii rolls out the new notify-osd icon theme | 21:31 |
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chrisccoulson | hey seb128, i've been away from the computer for a bit | 22:02 |
chrisccoulson | are there still any updates to do? | 22:02 |
chrisccoulson | what time does beta freeze start tomorrow? | 22:03 |
seb128 | chrisccoulson, cf the list I gave before | 22:15 |
seb128 | chrisccoulson, I don't think anybody claimed those | 22:15 |
chrisccoulson | seb128 - cool, i'll try and take a look before i go to bed. hamster-applet should be quite easy | 22:15 |
seb128 | chrisccoulson, all those should be relatively easy | 22:17 |
seb128 | chrisccoulson, the freeze start ... when slangasek wakes up and press the button | 22:17 |
seb128 | chrisccoulson, which will probably be mid work-day in europe | 22:17 |
chrisccoulson | cool, thanks! | 22:17 |
lool | seb128, pitti: Re icon caches > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/human-icon-theme/+bug/262723/comments/9 | 22:27 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 262723 in human-icon-theme "Gnome and Human icon themes do not contain icon caches" [Undecided,New] | 22:27 |
chrisccoulson | hamster-applet done | 22:37 |
seb128 | chrisccoulson, that was quick ;-) | 22:37 |
chrisccoulson | it was only translation updates;) | 22:37 |
Laney | house is nearly finished | 22:38 |
Laney | I'll do one or two before bed | 22:38 |
seb128 | excellent | 22:42 |
* chrisccoulson thinks his mouse batteries might need changing | 22:45 | |
Laney | mine died in the middle of the other day | 22:46 |
Laney | of l4d^ - I wasted all of my ammunition :( | 22:47 |
Laney | I'll start with gnome-backgrounds | 22:47 |
chrisccoulson | the warning light has been flashing on mine for a few days, but i keep getting random double clicks now | 22:47 |
Laney | indicators :o how modern | 22:47 |
chrisccoulson | my last mouse had no warning light, and i couldn't monitor the battery status on my desktop | 22:48 |
chrisccoulson | it used to just die with no warning | 22:48 |
chrisccoulson | so i had to replace it with one which gives me some warning ;) | 22:48 |
* Laney has that | 22:48 | |
chrisccoulson | it's getting late to be buying new batteries though. i might have to find something to raid some from | 22:49 |
Laney | Launchpad will be going offline for maintenance very very soon. | 22:50 |
Laney | oh god | 22:50 |
chrisccoulson | fantastic timing there | 22:50 |
c_korn | when are the translations coming into karmic ? indicator-session is still untranslated | 22:51 |
jpds | Laney: Yay for database changes | 22:52 |
Laney | just before a big ol' freeze! | 22:52 |
Laney | seb128: do you want to update gnome-backgrounds in debian? | 22:54 |
Laney | seems like a good idea to me | 22:54 |
seb128 | c_korn, it's partially translated there | 22:54 |
seb128 | c_korn, maybe your locale team is slacking? ;-) | 22:54 |
seb128 | Laney, I personally don't (no debian install to build binaries) but if you want to you are welcome | 22:55 |
seb128 | Laney, we have a lot of things which could get debian updates and would be useful | 22:55 |
Laney | bah | 22:55 |
seb128 | Laney, see yellow on the table ;-) | 22:55 |
Laney | I was hoping for a sponsor ;) | 22:55 |
seb128 | if debian would accept source uploads ... | 22:56 |
seb128 | my debian install is quite outdated and I don't have the bandwith to update it quickly | 22:56 |
Laney | they are planning to rebuild all binaries anyway | 22:56 |
seb128 | why? | 22:56 |
Laney | I mean discard the _arch that goes with uploads | 22:56 |
Laney | to get a known clean deb for all arches | 22:57 |
seb128 | oh | 22:57 |
seb128 | that's what I call "source upload" | 22:57 |
Laney | i dont think you will be able to upload _source still though :( | 22:57 |
seb128 | oh ok | 22:57 |
seb128 | you do binary uploads but they don't use the deb | 22:57 |
seb128 | great... | 22:57 |
Laney | I might be wrong | 22:57 |
seb128 | you have the disadvantage of both world this way | 22:57 |
seb128 | it takes ages to upload, you need an uptodate clean unstable and your build is wasted | 22:58 |
c_korn | seb128: hm, lp shows 31 untranslated strings. most have suggestions. for the others I entered some suggestions. is there a deadline this translation team has to respect. should I get in contact with a member ? | 22:58 |
Laney | yeah. | 22:59 |
Laney | The reason is to force maintainers to test the build | 22:59 |
seb128 | Laney, basically it's trying to solve a social issue by technical means and not trusting maintainers | 23:02 |
Laney | yes that is my view too | 23:02 |
seb128 | c_korn, dunno how you translation team, I guess it's already getting late for beta | 23:02 |
seb128 | c_korn, but there is still a month before karmic | 23:02 |
c_korn | seb128: ok, I need to contact them I think. thanks. | 23:05 |
Laney | gnome-backgrounds done through debian | 23:19 |
DanRabbit | DBO: ping | 23:21 |
DBO | pong | 23:21 |
DanRabbit | Can you make sure david sees these: | 23:21 |
DanRabbit | http://elementary-project.com/abuse/UbuntuOne/preview2.png http://elementary-project.com/abuse/UbuntuOne/panel-preview.png | 23:21 |
Laney | sound-juicer now | 23:21 |
DanRabbit | He left me :p | 23:21 |
DanRabbit | Now, I have to leave for work | 23:21 |
DanRabbit | DBO: can you let him know that I'll be back about 10:00 my time and if I don't hear from him I'll package up what I've got and send it to everybody | 23:23 |
DBO | I'll make sure david sees them DanRabbit | 23:24 |
DanRabbit | thanks | 23:24 |
DanRabbit | bye | 23:24 |
DBO | later | 23:24 |
seb128 | ok since launchpad is down let's catch up with sleep tonight | 23:27 |
seb128 | see you tomorrow | 23:27 |
chrisccoulson | it's nice of launchpad to be in read-only mode rather than completely unavailable | 23:29 |
chrisccoulson | we'r just being teased | 23:29 |
Laney | sound-juicer can be synced when it appears on mirrors | 23:34 |
Laney | sabayon time | 23:35 |
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