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seb128hey robert_ancell00:21
robert_ancellseb128, evening00:22
seb128night shift guys are coming, I can go to bed ;-)00:22
seb128robert_ancell, how are you?00:22
robert_ancellseb128, good. I see a few more 2.28s have been released overnight#00:23
seb128right00:23
seb128I think we have most of the major pieces but still some updates to do if you want to00:23
seb128we will do sponsoring in the european morning ;-)00:23
seb128the karmic beta freeze starts in 2 days now00:24
robert_ancelland after that only critical fixes?00:24
seb128yes00:24
seb128well not only critical but only things important for beta00:25
seb128ie we will probably have some dxteam changes still landing00:25
seb128and bug fixes00:25
robert_ancellcool00:25
robert_ancelldid you guys compile that karmic bug list?00:25
seb128I should have put that in the title00:26
seb128sec00:26
seb128robert_ancell, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~desktop-bugs?field.subscriber=&field.milestone%3Alist=12698&field.milestone%3Alist=1271500:27
seb128launchpad sucks it lists things with a karmic task twice00:27
seb128and the list will get new items while we keep doing triaging and spotting issues00:28
seb128but that's a good one if you are looking for bugs to fix00:28
robert_ancellthat's true, perhaps we should make a list of bugs against LP that would make our lives easiers00:28
seb128there is a such list I think00:29
robert_ancellmy personal favourite is doing the advanced search for bugs fixed upstream and it shows bugs closed as invalid and bug closed against other products00:29
seb128but that doesn't mean they tackle those quickly00:29
robert_ancellwe should set rick on them :)00:29
seb128right, that one is annoying00:29
seb128I already used my rick card to get bug watches updated00:30
seb128I don't want to abuse it ;-)00:30
robert_ancellnice00:30
seb128(they are working on it, they said that will happen this week)00:30
robert_ancellwhat is broken?00:30
seb128with watches?00:30
seb128they don't know,  they said they would try and fix it this week though00:31
seb128apparently they think it's due to the new bugzilla.gnome.org migration00:31
robert_ancelloh, is that why they're not updating00:31
seb128well they can communicate with it00:31
seb128but they are facing issues in some cases00:32
seb128let's see if they figure what cases break exactly00:32
seb128anyway, time to go to bed there00:32
seb128have a nice day ;-)00:32
seb128see you tomorrow00:32
rickspencer31hi robert_ancell00:32
robert_ancellrickspencer31, hi rick00:33
robert_ancellseb128, cya00:33
rickspencer31g'night seb12800:33
seb128'night rickspencer3100:33
chrisccoulsongood night seb12800:33
seb128'night chrisccoulson ;-)00:33
rickspencer31robert_ancell: seb128 I just saw bryce00:33
rickspencer31I'm going to meet Dutch tomorrow00:33
seb128rickspencer31, oh, nice!00:33
rickspencer31(that's the baby)00:34
robert_ancellsay hi to baby for me00:34
rickspencer31bryce seems well .. I guess fatherhood suits himm00:34
rickspencer31will do00:34
rickspencer31robert_ancell: slangadesk just assigned you a gdm bug00:34
rickspencer31basically, if there is any low hanging fruit way to remove the annoyance, go for it00:35
rickspencer31otherwise, we'll punt it to Lucid00:35
robert_ancellI love the description00:35
rickspencer31hehe00:35
robert_ancellLucid?00:35
seb128rickspencer31, say hello from me too when you will see them tomorrow00:35
rickspencer31seb128: will do00:35
rickspencer31robert_ancell: Lucid Lynx00:35
robert_ancelloh yes00:36
chrisccoulsonrobert_ancell - about bug 434940 - gconf 2.28.0 is already in ;)00:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 434940 in gconf "Update to 2.28.0" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43494000:37
robert_ancellchrisccoulson, ok, will close00:37
chrisccoulsonthanks00:37
chrisccoulsonwoah00:43
chrisccoulsonsince when did update-manager not use synaptic?00:43
chrisccoulsonneat:)00:43
TheMusoHey robert_ancell. Hope you are able to breathe this morning. :)00:49
robert_ancellTheMuso, yeah, what is is like out west?00:50
TheMusorobert_ancell: Its mostly gone from up here, but the wind is very very strong and gusty.00:50
TheMusoProbably 90/100km wind gusts, give or take.00:50
robert_ancellNot sure if I'll make my bike ride today then :)00:50
robert_ancellIt seems pretty calm here but red skies00:50
rickspencer31hi TheMuso00:51
TheMusoYeah I didn't exercise this morning either, started my walk and was coughing a a bit, so came home and cleaned up the kitchen instead. :p I didn't walk or skip, given the nature of the air.00:51
TheMusoHey rickspencer31.00:51
rickspencer31sounds like some crazy weather around Sydney00:52
TheMusorickspencer31: In short, a dust storm.00:52
rickspencer31drives men indoors to clean kitchens00:52
robert_ancelllol00:53
TheMusohaha00:53
rickspencer31TheMuso: what's the word on the street regarding pulse in karmic?00:54
TheMusorickspencer31: I think overall good.00:58
rickspencer31TheMuso: are we on the final version of pulse, or should I expect more updates?00:58
rickspencer31I have 1:0.9.17-0ubuntu2 atm, but I saw there were some updates coming00:59
TheMusorickspencer31: There is now 0.9.18 which is bug fixes. Anything from this point will be further fixes from upstream, if they are deemed important enough.01:00
rickspencer31TheMuso: thanks for the update01:00
rickspencer31have a good day!01:00
rickspencer31see everyone tomorrow :001:01
xpaparogerhello everybody01:05
robert_ancellTheMuso, is there any good stuff in the 0.18 libcanberra release?01:18
TheMusorobert_ancell: I've already pulled useful bug fixes from it.01:21
robert_ancellah, ok01:21
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pittiGood morning07:08
pitticcheney: ugh, thanks for the heads up. good luck!07:08
pittididrocks: policykit-doc is the old stuff; look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/PolicyKitOneMigration for links to current documentation (or use policykit-1-doc)07:09
pittiRiddelll: oh, that's it? Nice07:10
pittikklimonda: opened a tab, will have a look ASAP07:10
didrockspitti: hey o/ thanks for the link :) Hope to find same thing for console and devicekit :)07:12
didrocksit's time to refresh all docs in my head ;)07:12
pittididrocks: they have their documentation on the web, too07:13
pittibut again there's devickekit-disks-doc07:14
didrocksok, not deprecated this time, so :)07:14
didrocksthanks!07:14
* pitti -> off for an hour07:23
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mac_vAmaranth: hi... do you know about compiz causes X restarts while using the cube and switching workspaces? is this a known issue?08:02
mac_vcausing*08:02
Amaranthnope, I hadn't heard of that driver bug before ;)08:02
mac_vaw... :( , i had 3 X restarts today , all while switching the workspace ,while selecting the window in a different workspace , the cube freezes ans Xrestarts08:03
Amaranthmac_v: X crash == driver problem :)08:04
mac_vand i use Cairo dock  , wa08:04
Amaranthtseliot: idr agrees with me about compiz and GLX 1.3, btw08:04
AmaranthWe almost lost compiz on r300 because of that :P08:05
tseliotAmaranth: who's idr? And what bug are you talking about ?08:05
Amaranthoh, maybe that wasn't you08:05
Amaranthah, nope, tormod08:06
mac_vhm , drivers ... had an xorg update yesterday...08:07
mac_vi'm xorg edgers ppa08:08
mac_vwoohoo.. another update available08:08
tseliotdoes it affects only xorg edgers?08:09
mac_vnot sure... but...08:12
mac_vibgl1-mesa-dev (7.7.0~git20090919.b8477f07-0ubuntu0tormod) to 7.7.0~git20090921.972e995b-0ubuntu0tormod08:12
mac_vlibgl1-mesa-dri (7.7.0~git20090919.b8477f07-0ubuntu0tormod) to 7.7.0~git20090921.972e995b-0ubuntu0tormod08:12
mac_vlibgl1-mesa-glx (7.7.0~git20090919.b8477f07-0ubuntu0tormod) to 7.7.0~git20090921.972e995b-0ubuntu0tormod08:12
mac_vlibglu1-mesa (7.7.0~git20090919.b8477f07-0ubuntu0tormod) to 7.7.0~git20090921.972e995b-0ubuntu0tormod08:12
mac_vlibglu1-mesa-dev (7.7.0~git20090919.b8477f07-0ubuntu0tormod) to 7.7.0~git20090921.972e995b-0ubuntu0tormod xserver-xorg-video-ati (1:6.12.99+git20090919.da7487f6-0ubuntu0tormod) to 1:6.12.99+git20090920.97a4e747-0ubuntu0tormod08:12
mac_vxserver-xorg-video-intel (2:2.8.99.901~git20090918.33f98e40-0ubuntu0tormod) to 2:2.8.99.901~git20090921.b4d29452-0ubuntu0tormod08:12
mac_vxserver-xorg-video-radeon (1:6.12.99+git20090919.da7487f6-0ubuntu0tormod) to 1:6.12.99+git20090920.97a4e747-0ubuntu0tormod08:12
mac_vxserver-xorg-video-savage (1:2.3.0-1) to 1:2.3.0-1ubuntu108:12
mac_vthese were the updates yesterday , since then at random when using the switcher Xcrashes08:13
mac_vupdating again now08:13
mac_vah , crap... crashed again!08:15
seb128good morning everybody08:18
didrockssalut seb12808:19
seb128lut didrocks08:19
pittihey seb128, bonjour!08:27
seb128hello pitti08:27
kklimondagood morning08:27
seb128pitti, dunno if you have seen but debian moved libglib to /lib for devicekit08:27
seb128hi kklimonda08:27
pittiseb128: hm, I wonder why08:28
seb128pitti, so devicekit works before having usr mounted08:28
pittidevicekit-{disks,power} aren't used before that..08:28
seb128not sure if that's an issue we have08:28
pittiif it's literally "devicekit", that's gone from karmic08:28
* pitti removed it yesterday, after the last rdepends was fixed08:29
seb128it's probably -disk08:29
seb128I'm not sure08:29
seb128just telling you in case you are interested in the change08:29
pittiaah08:29
pittiI see08:29
seb128hey robert_ancell08:29
pitti$ ldd /lib/udev/devkit-disks-part-id |grep glib08:29
pittilibglib-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0x00007f9d659fb000)08:29
seb128robert_ancell, still working on gtk?08:29
pittihey robert_ancell, how are you?08:29
pittiseb128: so yes, seems like a good idea to do that then08:29
robert_ancellseb128, yes, it just built so ready to upload soon08:30
pittiseb128: it's just part-id, probe-ata-smart and dm-export don't need it08:30
robert_ancellpitti, hey pitti08:30
seb128robert_ancell, hum ok, I was going to rebase on debian they packaged 2.18 and our delta is trivial08:30
didrocksseb128: debian has already packaged new gtk if you didn't see it. I don't know if we have specific version08:30
robert_ancellseb128, oh, you might as well do that then :)08:30
seb128pitti, want to review http://incoming.debian.org/glib2.0_2.22.0-1.dsc? the diff with karmic?08:30
didrocksoh, ok, not fast enough in typing ;)08:30
seb128didrocks, thanks ;-)08:31
seb128pitti, it seems fine to me but there is some changes just before beta I prefer double checking08:31
seb128robert_ancell, ok, using you changes and applying those on the current debian version08:32
seb128robert_ancell, are your changes in some bzr?08:34
robert_ancellseb128, i'll just push now08:34
seb128robert_ancell, ok thanks08:34
robert_ancellpushed08:34
robert_ancellbrb08:34
seb128wb robert_ancell08:37
robert_ancellgdm testing requires a lot of logging in and out...08:37
seb128don't tell me08:38
seb128what are you fixing? the shutdown button thing?08:38
robert_ancellyes08:38
seb128how do you plan to change it?08:38
seb128adding a unsensitive login one? or confirm the action selected?08:39
robert_ancellI put a menu in the lower right of the screen as proposed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Karmic/LoginExperience08:39
seb128ok, excellent ;-)08:39
robert_ancellthe patch is finished, it will need a UI freeze break right? Should I commit it to bzr optimistically or push to a private branch?08:40
seb128commit to bzr I and nag pitti about approval ;-)08:41
robert_ancellpitti....08:43
robert_ancellpitti: Can you have a look at bug 434338 for UI freeze break please? Also can you update versions.py (I fixed it so it doesn't think there is a new firefox waiting)08:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 434338 in gdm "gdm 'shutdown' button == UI disaster" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43433808:44
robert_ancellok, gtg, see you all tomorrow08:45
seb128re08:46
pittiI fixed teh cronjob to do a bzr pull before08:47
pittiwill look at that bug08:48
seb128pitti, thanks08:49
seb128brb for some reason ssh agent is broken08:49
seb128it's working again, go figure08:53
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone08:54
seb128hey chrisccoulson08:55
chrisccoulsonhey seb128 - how are you today?08:55
seb128a bit tired but good otherwise08:55
seb128you?08:55
chrisccoulsonyeah, i'm quite tired too08:56
chrisccoulsoni might get some early nights in beta freeze ;)08:56
pittihey chrisccoulson08:57
chrisccoulsonhey pitti08:57
chrisccoulsoni'm going to take bug 41311609:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 413116 in gnome-media "sliding volume control up doesn't unmute volume" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41311609:11
seb128chrisccoulson, \o/09:11
chrisccoulsonit probably won't be done for beta freeze though. it's still ok after beta release isnt it?09:11
seb128yes09:12
seb128or after beta09:12
chrisccoulsonit might take me a bit more than 1 evening09:12
chrisccoulsoncool:)09:12
seb128we still have some weeks after beta until karmic09:12
seb128hey asac_09:12
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mvo_mpt: re #432978 - do you want strict AND searching?09:19
pittiRiddell: Yuriy's patch uploaded09:19
mpthi mvo_09:19
mvo_hello mpt09:20
mptmvo_, yes09:20
mvo_ok09:21
mptmvo_, actually, that reminds me, for v2 we should have a blacklist of words that are mostly ignored in searches (used only for result ordering rather than filtering), e.g. "package", "application", "program", "suite"09:21
mptso that if you search for "graphics program" you won't get vastly fewer results than searching just for "graphics"09:21
mptI'll make a note of that09:21
mvo_mpt: I fix it right away, no need for a note09:22
mptmvo_, really? Ok, it needs a careful translation note though09:22
mvo_mpt: oh, misread. yes, that is 2.009:23
mptok :-)09:23
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seb128gnagnagna09:51
seb128it should be easier to reinstall conffiles from a binary09:51
* seb128 unpack the deb using dpkg-deb and cp the files09:52
chrisccoulsonyeah, it's a pain having to do that09:53
pittiseb128, mvo_: who do I hassle/is there a bug/should I file a bug about software-store being in system->admin?09:55
pittiit's already in the apps menu (where it should be, AFAIK)09:55
seb128pitti, nobody? it's a minor issue and we already talked about it yesterday ;-)09:56
pittisure, but "talk" is not enough action :)09:56
seb128pitti, ie no need to "hassle", there is higher things on the list right now09:56
pittiso I just file a bug now09:57
seb128software-store09:57
seb128it needs to change its Category use09:57
seb128using the same than gnome-app-install09:57
pitti~software-store-developers09:58
pittimeh09:58
pittican't commit09:58
mvo_pitti: I will commit if you send me a diff or a branch - I can add you as well if oyu want10:00
pittihm, doesn't seem to be that easy; I'll discuss it in the bug10:02
pittiok, followed up10:04
pitti(bug 435123)10:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 435123 in software-store "Extra menu item in System -> Administration" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43512310:04
pittimvo_: not that urgent, I just want it on the final release radar10:04
seb128pitti, why not?10:04
seb128why not easy10:04
pittiseb128: g-a-i has the same problem10:04
pittibut just dropping the System;Settings categories from both does the trick10:04
seb128"has the same problem"10:05
seb128that's why I was not sure that was a bug ;-)10:05
seb128another issues is that it might break software-store for other des10:05
seb128DEs10:05
pittithats why I said "not that easy"10:06
seb128ie not sure where it's listed in xfce and what impact it will have for them if it's menu masked10:06
pittidid g-a-i get a special treatment in the panel?10:06
seb128no10:06
seb128but as you said it was listed in admin too10:06
pittig-a-i had a separate XFCE .desktop10:06
seb128pitti, we can probably hack the gnome-menus .menu to filter it out otherwise10:10
seb128since that's what we hack to add it where it is now10:10
pittiah, so it sort of does get special treatment in the panel10:10
mptseb128, pitti, bug 433386 requires that the Store is in System > Administration for UNR, but not for Ubuntu10:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 433386 in software-store "Add software-store to the UNR menus" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43338610:11
pittimpt: ah, thanks10:11
seb128pitti, in gnome-menus yes, there is no "out of the categories category"10:13
seb128ie no way for any desktop to put itself where software-store is10:13
huatsHello everyone !10:35
pittihey huats!10:42
huatshey pitti !10:43
loolpitti: Hey10:45
mptmvo_, for bug 433232, how often would that sort of problem be fixed by installing all available updates and then trying again?10:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 433232 in software-store "software-store doesn't provide error dialog when package can't be installed" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43323210:46
loolpitti: I see in the desktop report that some people have workitems below or above trend line10:46
loolpitti: does that mean you have per-person workitems charts/lists?10:46
loolI couldn't find these10:46
mvo_mpt: very rarely, this is typically a bug in the archive or a transient failure10:46
pittilool: no, we don't; that was just a misunderstanding then10:46
loolpitti: Ok thanks10:46
mvo_mpt: transient in the sense that it might happen if a mirror is updating or if we do a transition10:47
mptmvo_, by "transient" do you mean that a "Retry" button would be useful? Or if not, what else should be done before trying again?10:47
mptmvo_, "Try again in a day or two"? :-)10:47
mvo_mpt: yes, try again in a day or two (maybe with a automatic countdown :P ?10:50
mvo_mpt: I think it should just show something like "Sorry, but this application can not be installed currently"10:51
mpt"If you do nothing, the Store will try again in 57600 seconds."10:51
mptok :-)10:51
mvo_"it may become available later"10:51
mvo_something like this10:51
mvo_"If you do nothing, the Store will try again in 57600 seconds." [cancel] [wait]10:52
mpthehe10:52
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chrisccoulsonhey pitti. i think you're probably best off just closing bug 374151 for now11:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 374151 in vala "MIR for vala" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37415111:29
chrisccoulsonwhat was originally going to depend on it is not going to make it in karmic11:29
pittiokay, thanks11:29
chrisccoulsonand i think when upstream roll a tarball, they will compile the vala code in to C code in the distributed tarball anyway11:29
chrisccoulsonwhich means it wouldn't be needed as a build-dependency anyway11:30
pittiI see; done11:31
chrisccoulsonthere will be a new tracker tarball in a couple of weeks btw - far to late for karmic though11:31
chrisccoulsonthanks11:31
Amaranthchrisccoulson: If they weren't planning on doing that from the start I'd have to hit them :P11:32
chrisccoulsonAmaranth - you mean compiling the vala code in the tarball?11:32
Amaranthchrisccoulson: If you were going to ship a git snapshot you would do the same for the orig tar.gz because that's what make distcheck should do :)11:33
Amaranthchrisccoulson: Yes, that's the standard and expected way to ship modules using vala11:33
Amaranthchrisccoulson: Vala set the standard there, it is written in vala too :)11:33
chrisccoulsonAmaranth - yeah. i think i assumed they wouldn't do that because when i rolled my own tarball from git, i still had to compile the vala code afterwards11:34
chrisccoulsonthat was a while ago though11:34
AmaranthYeah, everyone misses it in their first collision between vala and autotools11:34
chrisccoulsoni'll probably stick the new tracker in a PPA somewhere anyway11:34
Amaranthchrisccoulson: First release with the new sparql rdf-based data store, right?11:35
chrisccoulsonAmaranth - yeah, that's right11:35
chrisccoulsoni've already done some work on the packaging to split the store from the indexer11:36
chrisccoulsonbut my work is quite old now11:36
Amaranthchrisccoulson: I want to get exciting about that but everyone always laughs at them or gets confused when they talk about it :/11:36
Amaranths/exciting/excited/11:36
chrisccoulsonAmaranth - yeah, i get confused too.11:36
AmaranthIf it didn't walk $HOME on start it wouldn't matter if almost no one used that part of it as long as it had a single user it would be a win11:37
chrisccoulsonyeah, there's not much using it at the moment11:37
* Amaranth tests new bootchart again11:38
chrisccoulsonanyway, i need to try and motivate myself to do some work now. i'm having a very unproductive day;)11:38
* Amaranth looks at bootchart, gets embarrassed11:44
Amaranthone second for compiz shell script followed by 10 seconds of compiz chewing mostly disk but a little CPU thrown in11:45
pittiAmaranth: reading/parsing all its xml files?11:46
Amaranthpitti: once reading them as protobuf (nice little second or two of IO followed by CPU) then once reading them as XML (significantly longer)11:46
seb128couldn't those be cached?11:47
AmaranthOh, I'm not actually using compiz right now11:47
AmaranthIt must have silently crashed and loaded metacity some time after boot :/11:48
Amaranth[  106.637269] compiz.real[2121]: segfault at 2 ip 00007fa5b12e13c9 sp 00007fff152b9d10 error 4 in libwobbly.so[7fa5b12db000+8000]11:48
Amaranthcrap11:48
Amaranthseb128: cached in what way? the cache is the protobuf versions11:48
Amaranthbut only the ccp plugin knows to read them11:49
seb128why are the xml read anyway then?11:49
AmaranthBut since we have no shot at getting any version of compiz newer than 0.8.4 before 10.10 I suppose this is a problem worth fixing in the 0.8.x versions now :)11:49
Amaranthseb128: To tell compiz about the settings for the plugins11:49
Amaranth(and also to expose that information via dbus along with a way to control compiz via dbus)11:50
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Amaranthhmm, slow DNS, must be my resolv.conf getting screwed again12:02
AmaranthNice, OpenSuSE ships a patch to compiz almost as big as a compiz tarball to add the nomad branch12:05
pittiAmaranth: hang on, you have slow DNS?12:28
pittiAmaranth: I have the same problem with my router, and running a workaround for some time12:28
pittibut so far I didn't meet anyone else with that problem12:28
Amaranthpitti: yeah, thanks to "search" lines12:28
pittiAmaranth: if you run "host www.ubuntu.com", does it give you an immediate result and then hang for some 10  seconds, and then respond with "no results"?12:29
pittiAmaranth: or, rather, ";; connection timed out; no servers could be reached"12:29
Amaranthpitti: it gives me a result then sits for a couple seconds then exits12:30
pitti$ host www.ubuntu.com12:30
pittiwww.ubuntu.com has address 91.189.94.812:30
pitti[10 second pause]12:30
pitti; connection timed out; no servers could be reached12:30
pitti[ 5 second pause ]12:30
pitti; connection timed out; no servers could be reached12:30
Amaranthno error and only maybe 4 second pause here12:30
pittiI only get that when using my router as DNS server, not when I manually kick it to use the official Telekom DNS12:30
Amaranthbut I think my original resolv.conf had two search lines so that may add even more time12:30
pittiok, then it seems to be a different problem12:30
AmaranthI just use 4.2.2.212:30
pittiI don't have any search lines, and still have the problem12:31
jpdsTried using OpenDNS?12:31
Amaranthdifferent problem then12:31
pittiI'd blame my router, if my wife would have the same problem as well12:31
pittibut I didn't have it on jaunty and early karmic, and neither does she (jaunty as well)12:32
davmor2pitti: I get the result almost instantly12:37
* asac lunch12:37
davmor2pitti: Mind you I'm using a mix of my own dns cache and opendns12:38
Amaranthoh wow, if we had changed compiz to check for GLX 1.3 for glXCreatePixmap it wouldn't work on r300 or any intel12:45
Amaranthphew, close one12:45
Amaranthtormod filed a bug saying we should do so then upstream dri almost convinced us it was needed :)12:46
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pittidavmor2: right, if I use the DNS servers which my router uses, it's fine13:22
seb128Laney, do you work on f-spot out of packaging?13:24
seb128Laney, are you in contact with upstream too?13:24
Laneya bit13:24
LaneyI'm in the IRC channel13:24
seb128ok13:25
seb128the slideshow screensaver seems to not be working13:25
seb128would you be interested to upstream that or investigate?13:25
LaneyI saw some reports on that13:25
Laneyneeded to figure out if its a packaging issue or upstream13:25
seb128running /usr/lib/gnome-screensaver/gnome-screensaver/f-spot-screensaver by hand works13:26
seb128and straces seems to in indicate gnome-screensaver-preferences finds it too13:27
Laneybut it doesnt work from the gnome-screensaver preview right?13:28
seb128Laney, no, neither the preview or the screensaver13:31
seb128if you have no favorite picture the /usr/lib/gnome-screensaver/gnome-screensaver/f-spot-screensaver displays a message13:31
seb128but the screensaver is empty13:31
seb128same with an image13:31
seb128it just indicates it's not an image loading issue13:31
Laneyhmm13:31
seb128and I tried the gnome-screensaver version from jaunty13:31
seb128same issue13:31
Laneyso running it by hand works13:31
Laneythats weird13:32
seb128yes...13:32
Laneyseb128: do you want to join #f-spot?13:32
LaneyI'm not on an Ubuntu box atm13:32
seb128ok13:33
james_wkenvandine: do you know if  http://people.canonical.com/~jamesw/messaging_menu.png is a known bug? It doesn't match the picture in the spec.13:41
* kenvandine looks13:41
kenvandinejames_w, the avatar?13:41
james_wthe fact that the separator below empathy ends up above the messages from empathy13:42
kenvandineoh... that is a known bug13:42
kenvandinei think... let me make sure it is what i think it is13:42
kenvandineyes13:43
kenvandinethat is the menu ordering bug13:43
kenvandinetedg is working on it13:43
kenvandineto verify13:43
kenvandinekillall indicator-applet13:43
james_wthe bugs are mostly developers talking to themselves, so it's hard to know what a bug is about :-)13:43
kenvandineand hit reload13:43
kenvandinethe order should be fixed13:43
kenvandinehehe13:43
kenvandinejames_w, bug 430904  13:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 430904 in dbusmenu "Menu ordering gets "out of whack"" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43090413:44
james_woh, I need someone to talk to me again :-)13:44
james_wcould be a few weeks before I can verify13:44
kenvandinehehe13:44
james_wah, there are two ordering bugs, I found bug 422079, which is fixed13:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 422079 in indicator-messages "Menu items ordering is off" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42207913:46
kenvandineyeah... that one was fixed13:47
kenvandinethis is a new bug :)13:47
pittihey kenvandine, good morning13:47
kenvandinehey pitti13:47
seb128hey kenvandine13:50
kenvandinehey seb12813:52
seb128is somebody there wanting to look at the libpst update?14:01
seb128hey tedg14:09
tedgGood morning seb12814:09
seb128everybody hugs MacSlow who managed to fix the notify-osd crasher getting ton of duplicates14:12
seb128everybody hugs MacSlow who managed to fix the notify-osd crasher getting ton of duplicates since 0.9.2114:12
MacSlowseb128, agateau also needs to get some of those as he helped me with it and thus avoiding not totally going insane over it14:16
* seb128 hugs agateau and MacSlow14:17
Amaranthmvo_: Fun fact: we don't need a driver whitelist in compiz anymore, we check for Software Renderer :)14:17
Zdrakenvandine, I have a crash for you: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59598014:18
ubottuGnome bug 595980 in General "Segfault when starting in Emapthy 2.28" [Blocker,Resolved: invalid]14:18
kenvandineZdra, looking14:18
mvo_Amaranth: oh, is that reliable enough?14:18
Amaranthmvo_: It's actually more reliable, that's why we had to add it14:19
* Amaranth is looking into turning the shell script into C code inside the compiz binary14:19
Amaranthhad a nice discussion in #xorg-devel about it14:19
seb128kenvandine, bug #434825 too if you didn't notice14:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 434825 in libindicate "empathy crashed with SIGSEGV in empathy_event_activate()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43482514:20
Amaranthmvo_: They really hate us doing a pci id blacklist, btw :P14:22
AmaranthAnd apparently we won't need it since 845 and 815 have dri forced to off in the driver now?14:22
kenvandineseb128, yeah saw that14:23
kenvandinethx14:23
kenvandineZdra, i guess i need to install kubuntu :)14:25
Zdrakenvandine, seems to happen only when running empathy in kubuntu, right14:27
kenvandineyeah14:27
kenvandinei don't know the status of the indicator in kubuntu14:27
mvo_Amaranth: why do they hate us? I mean, seriously, the drivers kept crashing with certain cards14:31
mvo_Amaranth: uh, I see - there is a long discussion in the channel :)14:31
Zdrakenvandine, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/43526214:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 435262 in empathy "Segfault at starting (probable cause :libindicate patch )" [Undecided,New]14:35
kenvandinethx14:36
asacseb128: what was the env setting to bail out on GTK warnings?14:40
asacerr G-warnings14:40
Zdraasac, --fatal-warnings14:41
Zdraasac, or G_DEGUG=fatal-warnings14:41
Zdraasac, --g-fatal-warnings14:41
seb128asac, what Zdra said ;-)14:42
asacyeah thanks14:42
seb128asac, btw still having epiphany-webkit on your update list?14:42
asachmm14:42
asacseb128: i usually dont forget things like that ;)14:43
asacat least i try14:43
seb128hehe14:43
asacthats bad14:45
seb128what?14:46
asaci cannot gdb this warning because it happens when i open the menu14:46
asacand then all focus is locked14:46
seb128gdb from an another user14:46
pittikenvandine: writing14:46
asacwell. problem is i have to set to fatal_warning14:46
seb128vt switch should still work14:46
asacand when i start there are instantly a few warnings i would have to continue14:46
asacnot sure if i can attach two gdbs ;)14:46
asaclet me try that14:46
asaccan i teach gdb to automatically run backtrace when it breaks?14:47
seb128I think you can but I don't know how14:48
seb128I usually let apport catch the crash14:48
seb128and I use gdb on the dump there14:48
asacseb128: yeah. it was to debug why there is a special critical warning ... but now i found it through reading code ;)15:39
asacrick still at conference?15:41
asacRiddelll: can you run mm-test.py --private for us?15:41
asacRiddelll: also are you sure wvdial allowed you to ping?15:42
asacdan said that wvdial even succeeds often if it fails15:42
Riddelllwvdial allowed me to ssh and irc15:42
asacok15:42
asacRiddelll: sure you were not on wifi too?15:42
Riddelllyes wifi was turned off with hardware switch15:43
asaci just re-ask because that SIM error is explicit that its a SIM error15:43
asacok15:43
asacthe --private would help then i guess15:43
Riddelllhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/276443/15:45
rickspencer3pitti: thanks for running the meeting and sending the team report15:48
pittihey rickspencer3; my pleasure15:48
pittirickspencer3: enjoying the conference? what's interesting?15:48
rickspencer3pitti: hmmm15:49
rickspencer3well ... doing some work with robbiew and jono15:49
rickspencer3interesting  comments from  Linus15:50
rickspencer3getting to know a couple of Fedora guys, interesting to see what the other distros are up to15:50
rickspencer3pitti: seemed that my concerns were mostly addressed, so thanks for that!15:54
seb128hey rickspencer315:54
didrockshi rickspencer315:54
rickspencer3hi seb128 and didrocks15:55
asacRiddelll: can you join #nm and chat with dan directly?15:56
=== mac__v is now known as mac_v
diverse_izzuei find it mildly annoying that indicator-applet gets yellow when one of my buddies comes online in empathy. is that a wanted behavior or a bug?16:06
pittigreen here, but same problem16:07
pittidiverse_izzue: bug 43472616:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 434726 in empathy "Gets indicator attention for joining people" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43472616:07
diverse_izzuepitti, thanks, we'll have to bug kenvandine enough for him to fix it i guess :-)16:08
kenvandinediverse_izzue, i know... i am planning to look at that today16:09
Zdrakenvandine, empathy print criticals when closing the main window16:09
diverse_izzuekenvandine, thanks, brilliant16:09
Zdrakenvandine, I see no status icon and no way to get incoming msg16:10
kenvandine?16:11
kenvandineyou don't see it in the indicator?16:11
Zdrano16:11
Zdrawhat indicator is supposed to looks like?16:11
kenvandinean envelope16:11
ZdraI see only a bubble for incoming msg, but no button to open the chat window16:11
kenvandineright, you shouldn't16:12
kenvandineit should appear as an item in the messaging menu (indicator)16:12
diverse_izzueZdra, indicator-applet is a panel-applet, not in the tray, maybe you have to add that first?16:12
kenvandineif it isn't added, it should show the icon16:12
Zdradiverse_izzue, oooh16:12
Zdrathat's was that16:12
Zdraso there is no upgrade path16:13
Zdrabrilliant !16:13
diverse_izzuekenvandine, it doesn't show a tray icon even if i remove indicator-applet and restart empathy16:13
ZdraI installed karmic without formating my $HOME, like everybody and that applet it not added to panel16:13
Zdramaking empathy unusable16:13
kenvandinehumm16:14
kenvandineZdra, well... that is a bug then16:14
kenvandineif the indicator applet isn't loaded, it shouldn't try to use it16:14
kenvandineit should show the icon16:14
kenvandineZdra, could you please file a bug for that?16:15
diverse_izzuekenvandine, are you the main empathy guy for ubuntu?16:16
seb128Zdra, the applet should have been added in jaunty already, did you remove it there?16:16
kenvandinei guess i ended up that way16:16
seb128I do look at it a bit too16:16
Zdraseb128, probably16:16
seb128Zdra, that's why it's not added again16:16
Zdraseb128, well, my $HOME is like 5years old16:16
kenvandinethe problem is we shouldn't try to use the indicator if it isn't there16:17
seb128still a bug that you don't get the icon without it16:17
Zdrakenvandine, exactly. I'll file a bug16:17
diverse_izzuething is, i suggested organising an audio/video testing day over at #telepathy, because i had very little luck with that functionality until now. people said, sure, once 2.28 is out, and we figured trying to get the ubuntu guys on board would make sense.16:17
diverse_izzuereason for organising a testing day is that, at least for me, it's difficult to find people to test with. also, there's loads of strange network configs out there, would be good to have a number of people testing and submitting logs16:18
kenvandineZdra, thx16:19
diverse_izzueso kenvandine and seb128, would such a testing day be something you are interested in / willing to devote some time to?16:19
kenvandinemaybe... i have been testing video allot16:19
seb128diverse_izzue, talk to pedro when he's around, he's in the qa team and organize bug days, etc16:20
diverse_izzuegreat, with how much success? and with which other clients?16:20
seb128diverse_izzue, talk to pedro when he's around, he's in the qa team and organize bug days, etc16:20
seb128ups sorry16:20
diverse_izzuenp, i'll keep an eye out for him16:20
Zdrakenvandine, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/43532916:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 435329 in empathy "Empathy is unusable if indicator applet is not on the panel" [Undecided,New]16:21
mac_vZdra: did you at any time earlier,in jaunty, remove the indicator applet from the panel?16:24
seb128mac_v, I already asked and said yes16:25
seb128mac_v, read backlog ;-)16:25
mac_vZdra: if you have removed it  , it usually wont comeback unless you add it ;)16:25
Zdramac_v, seb128: I don't remember if I removed the applet or if it was never added.16:26
seb128you probably removed it16:26
Zdramac_v, indeed that's the best way to do ;)16:26
Zdraadd it the first time your are running a indicator-enabled ubuntu, then never add it back if I remove it16:27
mac_vseb128: ah... just got the chat... irc delay ;)16:29
pittiseb128, lool: ubuntu's glib2.0 has --enable-assert-messages, debian's doesn't; do we want to follow?16:45
pitti(just merging glib2.0, for the /lib installation)16:45
james_wkenvandine: empathy sets draw-attention on login notifications as well, I'm guessing it shouldn't?16:46
seb128pitti, seems a good idea, I think debian not having is an overlook16:46
kenvandinealready a bug for that :)16:46
seb128or is there a reason why it should be there?16:46
kenvandinejames_w, i hope to get to it after lunch :)16:46
pittiseb128: no idea what it does, I just asked because I hoped you would16:47
james_w"kenvandine: just call him Launchpad"16:47
james_wthanks Ken16:47
kenvandine:)16:47
kenvandinenp16:47
seb128pitti, isn't that the thing you added recently to make apport assert work?16:47
kenvandinepitti, can we do another quick test? i need a little more debugging info on my end16:47
pittiseb128: oh, duh16:47
pittiof course16:47
kenvandineand would like to compare results from the same remote :)16:47
* pitti headdesk16:47
seb128;-)16:47
pittiseb128: another Q, if I may16:48
seb128yes sure16:48
pitti  * 02_usr_share_gnome_applications.patch: ported from GnomeVFS. Use16:48
pitti    /usr/share/gnome/applications/defaults.list to obtain the defaults16:48
pitti    for MIME mapping. Currently this file is still shipped by GnomeVFS.16:48
pittithis was dropped in Debian16:48
pittiand we don't have that file any more either16:48
seb128right16:48
seb128we never had16:48
pittiI think it's okay to drop as well?16:48
seb128we use /usr/share/applications/defaults.list since always16:49
pitticool, then the only delta is my assertion messages thing16:49
pittiand debian/watch looking for unstable versions16:49
pittino response on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594872 unfortuantely16:49
ubottuGnome bug 594872 in general "Support storing assertion messages into core dump" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed]16:49
pittibut well, it's easy enough to carry16:49
seb128right16:50
seb128since GNOME was mostly frozen I expect people didn't spend time reviewing such changes16:50
rugby471mvo_: hello16:56
mvo_hey rugby47116:57
loolpitti: we had an issue this morning with assert messages17:03
loolpitti: I dont understand how but someone got warnings when upgrading some app from glib that libc6 didn't have it17:03
loolhold on17:03
loolpitti: 16:40 < rabeeh> gconftool: relocation error: /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0: symbol  __abort_msg, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with  link time reference17:05
pittilool: debian's glibc doesn't have that patch yet, I assume; it's not yet released upstream17:11
seb128pitti, btw we didn't resume the discussion yesterday after the meeting but the icon theme needs to be changed17:14
seb128pitti, could you make sure humanity is installed by default?17:14
seb128pitti, I will do the schemas change to match that17:14
pittiwow, our first working A/V call with kenvandine \o/17:14
kenvandinewoot!17:14
seb128nice17:14
seb128what did you fix?17:14
pittiwell, it worked after a few iterations and crashes17:15
pittiI had to restart the telepathy daemons17:15
pittiseb128: humanity> sure, seeding17:17
seb128pitti, thanks17:17
huatsseb128: I am looking at the versions page. Do you have anything in mind that might need an update ?17:17
pittiseb128: instead of or in addition to human-icon-theme ?17:17
pittigtk-update-icon-cache: The generated cache was invalid.17:18
pittiWARNING: icon cache generation failed for /usr/share/icons/Humanity17:18
pittiseb128: should that concern me?17:18
seb128djsiegel, ^ do you know?17:18
seb128pitti, I will look at the cache issue17:19
djsiegelseb128: looking into it17:19
pittidjsiegel: should we install humanity instead of or in addition to human-icon-theme?17:20
seb128djsiegel, I was asking about ^17:20
djsiegeloh, instead of17:20
loolpitti: He said that was with karmic17:20
* pitti hopes for "instead of", cd space wise17:20
pittilool: weird17:20
djsiegelthe human dependency is being removed from humanity17:20
pittioh, right, it depends on it17:21
loolpitti: So what did you want to do in debian?  enable-assert in glib even if eglibc doesn't have it?17:21
pittiso I can unseed it17:21
seb128pitti, ok17:21
pittilool: nothing right now17:21
mac_vpitti: djsiegel the new package is from which upstream rev? we have added several fixes17:21
loolpitti: k17:21
pittiVersion: 0.2+snapshot20090929+r244-0ubuntu117:21
pitti^ in karmic17:21
looldjsiegel: Oh what is this about?  Using Humanity in the Ubuntu Desktop Edition as well?17:21
djsiegellool: yes17:21
loolmac_v: Did you release a 0.3?17:21
mac_vpitti:  we are at rev 274 , right now , that has fixed a lot of bugs17:22
* lool notes that 20090929 is uterly confused *gah*17:22
mac_vlool: havent yet , still a few fixes are waiting17:22
loolit was 19 not 2917:22
pittiwe always live in the future :)17:22
rugby471mvo_: regarding bug 43261017:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 432610 in software-store "Cannot remove app if it has an upgrade available" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43261017:22
djsiegelpitti:  :)17:22
rugby471mvo_: do we want to keep upgrade button, you and mpt were talking about removing it17:22
pittiseb128: oh, it's not even seeded17:23
rugby471mvo_: just so I know before I fix it17:23
djsiegelpitti mac_v seb128 kwwii , I think we want head bzr for humanity, it keeps getting more fixes each day17:23
loolmac_v: Ok just dont expect us to have latest rev of the day obviously  :-)17:23
djsiegeland it's just icons, no code17:23
mac_vlool: yeah  , sure17:23
seb128djsiegel, we can't upload after each commit17:23
looldjsiegel: You realize that I pushed it?17:23
pittiseb128: I'll fix human-theme and notify-osd dependencies17:23
djsiegelseb128: right, I know17:23
seb128pitti, thanks17:23
djsiegellool, I realize that you pushed what where?17:23
looldjsiegel: I uploaded the last couple of humanity-icon-theme packages to karmic17:24
djsiegellool: ok, and?17:24
mvo_rugby471: I leave that to mpt, its trivial to remove the button, I don't mind17:24
djsiegellool: good?17:24
pittidjsiegel, MacSlow: will notify-osd get along fine with humanity?17:24
pittiI'm going to change its dependency from human to humanity17:24
rugby471mpt: do we want to keep it or remove?17:24
djsiegelpitti: I am told notify-osd icons are being placed in an independent icon theme17:25
looldjsiegel: Well I discover this discussion by accident; perhaps you could consider mentioning to me that a new humanity will be pushed?  this impacts UNR immediately17:25
loolAnd we're within UI freeze17:25
pitti(so are we..)17:25
MacSlowpitti, I'm running it for several weeks now with humnity... looks good, can't complain17:25
pittiMacSlow: ok, so I'll just flip the dependency, thanks17:25
mptrugby471, I would rather remove it, partly because I don't yet know how or even whether the Store should do updates at all, and partly because we don't yet have update-specific variations of <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=transaction-config-conflict-installation.jpg>17:25
djsiegellool: I don't know anything about new humanity being pushed, I am just recommending that head bzr humanity always be used if someone is looking to package it17:26
MacSlowpitti, argl... crap...17:26
loolpitti, seb128: So you guys got a request from UX to switch to humanity?17:26
pittiMacSlow: ?17:26
MacSlowpitti, I'm using "GNOME-Human"17:26
MacSlowpitti, sorry17:26
mac_vdjsiegel: any decision on the notify-osd icons? do we want to use the icons from Human or use Humanity's ones? if we want to use Humans  , we need to remove Humanity's icons17:26
seb128lool, djsiegel requested it17:26
rugby471mpt mvo: ok removing button17:26
mptrugby471, and partly because it would be an easy way of fixing that bug :-)17:26
looldjsiegel: Last upload was Sunday evening and I took a snapshot at that time17:26
MacSlowpitti, I don't have humanity installed at all.17:26
lool -- Loïc Minier <loic.minier@ubuntu.com>  Sun, 20 Sep 2009 22:26:57 +020017:26
MacSlowpitti, one sec17:26
loolI think it's pretty nice we have a fresh one already17:26
rugby471mpt: hehe, well just as easy to solve it the other way :-)17:26
djsiegellool: sure17:26
pittiMacSlow: I do now, and I still get notifications17:26
seb128lool, do you know what is the issue with the icon theme caching?17:27
loolseb128: No; which issue?17:27
lool18:18 < pitti> WARNING: icon cache generation failed for  /usr/share/icons/Humanity17:27
seb128lool, sudo gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/Humanity17:27
seb128gtk-update-icon-cache: The generated cache was invalid.17:27
MacSlowpitti, well you should still get them... I was just assuming you were asking for missing or wrong icon-errors17:27
djsiegelkwwii lool seb128 pitti: perhaps the cache is not built because the files are svg?17:27
pittiMacSlow: right, I was17:27
seb128djsiegel, it should cope with that, other theme have scalable icons too17:27
loolseb128, pitti: So we're changing the default theme in the desktop for beta?17:28
seb128lool, yes17:28
loolseb128: I have no idea; I would have to strace and/or dig into Gtk+17:28
pittilool: apparently17:28
DBOeveryones favorite intern is here to debug humanity not generating an icon cache!17:28
seb128djsiegel, urg, you install svg files out of scalable?17:28
MacSlowhey DBO17:28
pittiMacSlow: volume up/down works, anyway17:29
djsiegelseb128: ?17:29
DBOhey MacSlow17:29
seb128hello DBO17:29
seb128djsiegel, I'm not sure that's right17:29
MacSlowpitti, trying with Humanity too now17:29
djsiegelseb128: me neither17:29
seb128djsiegel, scalable icons should go to scalable17:29
pittiseems I better hold back for now?17:29
seb128and other should be png ones17:29
djsiegelseb128, talk to kwwii17:29
djsiegelI don't know about icon themes17:29
DBOseb128, thats not true17:29
seb128why do you guys always come with disruptive changes one day before freeze?17:29
mac_vseb128: not necessarily17:29
mac_vall icons can be svg17:30
seb128ui should be frozen for weeks17:30
DBOseb128, to make life hard17:30
djsiegelseb128: this is my first cycle working on ubuntu17:30
DBOmine too17:30
djsiegelseb128: so I do it always if you mean 1 out of 1 times :)17:30
djsiegelseb128: it came from mark and ivanka17:30
seb128mac_v, ok, well there is something gtk doesn't like17:30
DBOseb128, where can I get the Humanity package you guys made?17:30
DBOI want to fix the icon cache thingie17:30
djsiegelDBO: lool packaged it17:30
pittiadmittedly ArtworkDeadline is september 2417:31
pittii. e. tomorrow17:31
seb128DBO, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/h/humanity-icon-theme/17:31
loolDBO: In karmic as usual17:31
loolDBO: Dist upgrade!17:31
seb128pitti, well, that's mean to be tweaks not landing something 100% new17:32
DBOhey, I upgraded to karmic yesterday!17:32
pittiseb128: yes, ideally17:32
DBOmy hard drive crashed :(17:32
seb128DBO, sudo apt-get install humanity-icon-theme17:32
djsiegelseb128: hope you're prepared for 100% wallpapers! they are gorgeous17:32
seb128djsiegel, what is that? ;-)17:32
seb128how many wallpapers?17:32
djsiegelseb128: the new wallpapers, from the contest17:32
rugby471djsiegel: what package are they in?17:33
* DBO waits for his mp3 support to finish installing17:33
djsiegelwe picked 20 I think, but are picking 5 or 8 to try to squeeze into the install17:33
seb128djsiegel, you expect that to land on the default install?17:33
djsiegelnot sure which package17:33
djsiegelkwwii knows more about how we are getting these to users17:33
djsiegelI hope a couple go into the install17:33
pitti695M 2009-09-23 13:51 karmic-desktop-amd64.iso17:34
seb128djsiegel, you realize that beta freeze is tomorrow right?17:34
pittiwell, that's the bar :)17:34
djsiegelseb128: yes17:34
rugby471kwwii: ^ any idea which package?17:34
seb128djsiegel, and that it's really over late to add new things17:34
mac_vrugby471: its not out yet ;p17:34
djsiegelseb128: well, we have these wallpapers...17:34
rugby471mac_v: oh okay :-)17:34
loolpitti, seb128, djsiegel: I pushed r276 (two more revs than 10 minute ago!) to karmic17:34
seb128djsiegel, and we have CD to rolls and no free space17:34
djsiegellool: nice17:35
MacSlowpitti, with humanity everything here works as expected17:35
seb128lool, thanks, let's see if that fixes the icon cache issue ;-)17:35
pittiMacSlow: thanks for confirming17:35
djsiegelseb128: ok, then I guess we'll just barely make it!17:35
pittiseb128, lool: I'm not quite sure, is the icon cache thing a bug, or is svg in non-scalable a bug?17:35
loolseb128: Can I haz latest rev of GNOME?   ;-)17:35
seb128I've no clue17:35
djsiegelseb128: or maybe we can put the in U117:35
pittiin other words, should I still switch to humanity now?17:35
djsiegelDBO, can you comment on icon caching?17:35
loolpitti: No idea right now17:35
DBOin what manner?17:35
seb128pitti, I'm too busy to track that before beta17:36
DBObasically it takes all the icons and packs them into a single file17:36
djsiegelshould pitti still switch to humanity even with the caching warning17:36
seb128not sure how unhappy djsiegel will be if we don't switch icon theme17:36
loolpitti: I raised some issues with humanity in UNR and was about to revert back to Human last Friday; that's why we get a new rev every second and I gather it's also how it came on the radar for desktop again17:36
loolpitti: I think most issues are being fixed and the icon theme worked decently in UNR17:36
loolpitti: Cant say whether icon caches have been broken forever though17:37
pittilool: I guess not having a cache is mainly a performance problem then? It seems to work, at least17:37
djsiegellool pitti, ivanka chatted with sabdfl about it and thought the decisions was to put humanity back in UNR and on the desktop.17:37
loolIt's only a performance problem yes17:37
djsiegelSo I told you fine gents.17:37
looldjsiegel: Thanks; I heard from ivanka earlier that she only had permission to change the icon theme in UNR, not in the desktop, but it seemed that just changed17:37
loolI think it's better if we get that in karmic rather than lucid17:38
seb128right, that too17:38
loolBut then as seb128 says, it's a pain to get these the day before beta freeze17:38
djsiegellool: sounds reasonable, and yes it's a pain17:38
djsiegelif DBO can fix the cache issue, when can that fix go in?17:40
seb128djsiegel, you seem to assume all those changes are fine and easy so late ...17:40
djsiegelseb128: no, I am not assuming that, I am asking.17:41
DBOif I can fix this issue while also combating swine flu, I deserve a medal17:41
seb128well I'm not even sure it's reasonable to change so late17:41
djsiegelseb128: I was told "make it so." If it's too late, it's too late.17:41
pittidjsiegel: yes, fixing the icon cache is reasonable to do after beta17:41
seb128djsiegel, but I guess we don't really have a choice there?17:41
pittidjsiegel: I'm actually less concerned about fixing it than breaking it in the first place17:41
pittiI don't know what happens if we install/use a broken icon cache by default17:42
djsiegelpitti: me neither17:42
djsiegelpitti: DBO knows17:42
seb128me neither17:42
seb128we never had a broken cache before17:42
seb128that's the first theme to do that17:42
seb128I'm a bit concerned that the svg everywhere is a design mistake or something17:42
seb128and leads to trouble17:42
djsiegelI wish DBO, kwwii, and DanRabbit were discussing this.17:42
djsiegelThey know about these things, I do not!17:43
mac_vseb128: there are several requests for svg icons ;)17:43
seb128the svg icons are probably not the issue17:43
seb128not sure what is17:43
DBOseb128, svg's are not truly scalable like people like to think17:43
DBOif you take an svg designed for display at 24x24 and display it at 32x32 it will have pixel alignment issues17:44
DBOand will not be crisp and sharp like intended17:44
seb128DBO, I was rather concerned about them confusing the icon cache generation code17:44
DBOthey dont17:44
seb128ok, so not sure what does17:44
DBOelementary icon set (which is what humanity is based on) generates fine17:44
mac_vseb128:  oh.. wait a min, we have the folders arranged differently from Human17:44
DBOseb128, elementary icon set (which is what humanity is based on) generates fine17:45
mac_vmaybe that is causing this17:45
seb128re17:45
seb128sorry about that17:45
djsiegelpitti: where do you see that icon cache warning?17:46
pittidjsiegel: just when installing the package17:46
djsiegelpitti lool, is it a packaging error?17:46
pitti$ sudo update-icon-caches /usr/share/icons/Humanity17:46
pittigtk-update-icon-cache: The generated cache was invalid.17:46
pittiWARNING: icon cache generation failed for /usr/share/icons/Humanity17:46
pittidjsiegel: no, that calls update-icon-caches17:46
mac_vpitti: the Humanity's folder structure is different from Human's  , could that be causing this?17:47
pittiso it doesn't generate /usr/share/icons/Humanity/icon-theme.cache17:47
pittimac_v: I don't know17:47
pittimac_v: oooh17:47
seb128it generates a .icon-theme.cache though17:47
pittiseb128: not here17:47
tgpraveenis humanity going to be the defaull i con theme in karmic?17:47
DBOits invalid17:47
seb128urg17:47
seb128the layout is not correct17:47
pittiall other layouts are size/category/17:48
seb128tgpraveen, it's being discussed17:48
seb128pitti, which is what the spec describes17:48
pittiand humanity is category/size17:48
pittimac_v: so yes, seems the structure needs to be fixed17:48
djsiegelweird, why does it still work?17:48
mac_vwe have it as category/size17:48
djsiegelI mean, you'd think it wouldn't even work17:48
seb128djsiegel, the index file is buggy too17:48
pitti♩ it's a kind of magic ♪ ♫17:48
seb128or rather describe the buggy layout17:49
DBOsize/category category/size does not matter17:49
tgpraveen\o/ oh please do this it would really make karmic wonderful17:49
DBOthe layout is not the issue17:49
pittialso, other icon themes use 32x32, humanity just uses 3217:49
DBOits going to be something simpler like specifying a non-existent file in hte layout17:49
DBOseriously... it's not the layout...17:49
seb128ok, I'm busy with other things17:50
seb128I don't intend to spend times on that17:50
seb128I've other bugs to fix before beta17:50
djsiegelseb128: DBO and Dan and I will look into it17:50
seb128djsiegel, thanks17:50
djsiegelseb128: go work on more important stuff17:50
DBOI'll have it fixed soon17:50
seb128let we know if you can get it working17:50
djsiegelDBO: I called Dan and he doesn't know what's up17:50
djsiegelDBO: but I trust you can fix it :)17:50
DBODanBunny isn't a gtk internal workings kinda guy17:50
pittisudo gtk-update-icon-cache --force /usr/share/icons/Humanity17:50
pitti^ without --quiet17:51
* DBO loves calling him danbunny17:51
pitti(as update-icon-caches does)17:51
pittibut still no insight17:51
djsiegelDBO: can you ping jimmac?17:51
DBOabout?17:51
djsiegelthis problem17:51
DBOfor what reason? helping with this?17:51
djsiegelyes17:51
DBOsure17:52
pittioh, so it's probably working because index.theme has the matching structure?17:53
djsiegelpitti: right17:53
seb128yes17:53
pittilool: does it still fail with your latest bzr head crack?17:53
pittilool: also, does the latest version still depend on human-icon-theme? THey are quite big,so I wouldn't like to have both on the CD17:54
pittikwwii: can you please bzr pull lp:~ubuntu-desktop/human-theme/humanity in lp:~~ubuntu-art-pkg/human-theme/ubuntu ?17:56
MacSlowseb128, I'm still waiting on two merge-proposal reviews... not sure when those will happen... would it be very bad if I can't roll notify-osd 0.9.22 today?17:56
djsiegelpitti: the author says humanity was depending on human for notify-osd icons17:56
djsiegelMacSlow: ^17:57
pittikwwii: (without my obvious ~~ typo, of course)17:57
djsiegelMacSlow, weren't notify-osd icons moved to their own icon theme?17:57
* MacSlow rolls eyes17:57
MacSlowdjsiegel, not that I know of17:57
pittiMacSlow: certainly you don't need the entire 13 MB of it?17:57
pittii. e. could they be copied/moved to humanity instead?17:58
MacSlowpitti, the notify-osd icons are 13 MBytes?! Uff!17:58
pittiMacSlow: no, but human-icon-theme is17:58
pittiand I guess you only need like 4 icons from them17:58
MacSlowpitti, or ... ah.. yeah... assumed that afterwards17:58
loolpitti: I had the same objection as you17:58
loolpitti: WRT size17:59
MacSlowpitti, it's a bit more than 4 :) -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Icon17:59
loolpitti: But we themes are still entanged17:59
pittiMacSlow: well, but human-icon-theme ships 171617:59
loolpitti: I had in mind I could build-dep on human and copy all missing icons at build time if upstream didn't bother with that17:59
loolpitti: I dont know whether the latest version resolves the cache issue17:59
loolI'm in the middle of more urgent stuff so cant debug the cache issue right now18:00
pittilool: nevermind18:00
MacSlowpitti, in terms of packaging notify-osd _related_ icons... kwwii would know a lot more about the status quo then I do18:00
MacSlowpitti, my brain is pure goo atm anyway18:00
pittiMacSlow: that means that I shouldn't really change notify-osd's dependency until this is resolved18:01
MacSlowpitti, yeah... better not yet18:01
pittiMacSlow, djsiegel: who can I ask about moving/copying the notify-osd icons to humanity?18:01
djsiegelpitti: I think kwwii would know?18:01
* pitti files a bug to track this18:02
mac_vpitti: the last i know , was kwwii said he was moving them to their own theme , not to humanity18:02
pittieither way18:02
djsiegelYes, I heard that a new theme with just n-osd icons was being created, and the humanity dependency was being switched from human to notify-osd-icons18:03
seb128MacSlow, tomorrow is fine for the tarball18:03
mac_vdjsiegel: we want to use the present notify-osd icons in the default install , right? If so , i need to fix it in Humanity ,18:03
djsiegelmac_v, right18:03
MacSlowseb128, ok... I'll email you and kenvandine anyway18:04
mac_vok , so removing the Humanity's notify-osd icons18:04
seb128MacSlow, ok thanks18:04
seb128"<djsiegel> Yes, I heard that a new theme with just n-osd icons was being created"18:04
seb128djsiegel, is that yet another change we will need to figure before tomorrow?18:04
seb128where is this new theme?18:04
djsiegelseb128: I don't know, kwwii knows about it and I can't get ahold of him.18:05
ccheneylooks like i may be out on friday, should know for certain by later today18:07
pittifor the record, bug 435394 and bug 435397 for trackign those18:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 435394 in human-icon-theme "Please move/copy notify-osd icons to humanity-icon-theme or its own theme" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43539418:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 435397 in humanity-icon-theme "Does not create icon cache" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43539718:09
djsiegelpitti: calling ken now18:11
pittidjsiegel: thanks18:11
pittidjsiegel: I'm just keen to have bugs for those, as a place for discussion and also to track the issue18:12
djsiegelpitti: ken says he is working on it and it will be in ubuntu tomorrow18:13
djsiegelpitti: the independent icon theme for notify-osd18:14
pittiawesome18:14
DBOdjsiegel, almost fixed...18:14
djsiegelpitti: and DBO has almost fixed the cache issue :)18:14
pittirock18:14
pittithat was fast18:14
pittiDBO: out of interest, what was the reason?18:14
DBObad svg18:14
kwwiipitti: the notify-osd icons are going in their own set so we can use the new licensing anyway18:15
kwwiibtw, someone should run all of humanity through inkscape to remove the extra cruft, it can be done on the command line irrc18:15
mac_vkwwii: it has been already done18:16
DBOHumanity is pretty clean18:16
mac_vany particular icons?18:16
DBOcruft has been removed18:16
mac_vkwwii: ^18:16
DBOI made Danbunny an icon benchmarking software18:16
DBOso he could identify icons which are slow due to cruft18:16
chrisccoulsonhey pitti - i see HAL no longer depends on the old policykit:)18:16
chrisccoulsonso it's just screen-resolution-extra and checkbox now?18:16
pittichrisccoulson: yep, it's done \o/18:17
mac_vDBO: there is 1 issue still where several icons have exec bits... Dan deleted the script. do you have one or could you come up with one :)18:17
pittiI think it fell out of the default install now?18:17
chrisccoulsonpitti - which one?18:17
chrisccoulsonboth?18:17
pittichrisccoulson: no, I meant hal18:17
pittiargh, checkbox, indeed18:17
chrisccoulsondoes Xorg still need HAL?18:17
DBOmac_v, ask again but this time take into account I have swine flu, so talk to me like I am a child :) I have no idea what you want18:17
pittichrisccoulson: I don't see it in screen-resolution-extra, though?18:17
pittichrisccoulson: yes, X still uses it18:18
chrisccoulsonpitti - i still have policies for screen-resolution-extra here, so i assume it still needs it18:18
kwwiibtw, I already packaged humanity (in my ppa)18:18
chrisccoulsonit would be nice to migrate the remaining 2 so that the old policykit can disappear from the defaut install18:18
kwwiimac_v, DBO cool18:18
pittichrisccoulson: weird, I purged it from my system already18:19
DBOlool, mac_v, djsiegel mv /usr/share/Humanity/status/22/user-away\ -1.svg /usr/share/Humanity/status/22/user-away-1.svg18:19
DBOfixes the icon cache creation18:19
chrisccoulsonhmmm, that's strange18:19
mac_vDBO: already fixed ;p18:19
DBOdamnit18:19
pittichrisccoulson: eww, you are right; it's missing a dependency18:19
mac_vDBO: that was an old rev , not meant for packaging :(18:19
pittichrisccoulson: ah, checkobx only recommends it18:19
DBOmac_v, when did it get fixed?18:19
chrisccoulsonah, so that probably still needs fixing18:20
mac_vDBO: not sure when , but recently after sunday18:20
loolmac_v: When was that fixed/18:20
chrisccoulsoni see i'm not popular for disabling services-admin. apparently, we should have just fixed the old tool rather than removing it18:20
mac_vlool:let me chcek rev18:21
DBOmac_v, but thats what causing the cache creation issues in Humanity18:21
DBOso it is a non-issue?18:21
loolmac_v: So you tell me we should be running the latest rev and then you tell me some rev are not fit for packaging   :-918:21
loolmac_v: Well as long as it was fixed some hours ago it's ok18:21
loolpitti: So according to DBO and mac_v, icon cache should work again18:21
DBOyeah18:22
mac_vlool: hmm.. it was fixed in rev 241 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~elementaryicons/humanity/Humanity/revision/24118:23
mac_voh sorry wrong rev!18:23
mac_vhttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~elementaryicons/humanity/Humanity/revision/24618:24
mac_vlool: argh , sorry for the confusion guys :( , we forgot the schedule18:24
phreestyle-workhave a question...I don't even know if this is the right room to ask, so please point me in the right direction if this is the wrong room: I'm a Windows developer (C#) during the day, but I like Ubuntu and I find and report bugs on a regular basis, but the bugs almost never get fixed. I'd like to learn how to fix them myself. I'm learning Python and have already have a good handle on programming concepts, so is there a place I can get help f18:24
DBOlool, so new package soon?18:29
mac_vDBO: there is 1 issue with Humanity's icons , they somehow get saved as executable files , we need to remove the exec bits from only the files which have wrong privilages ... Dan had a script but has lost it now... Could you come up with a script which only corrects the icon priv?18:32
DBOmac_v, where can I branch it?18:33
DBOlp:humanity?18:33
mac_vyup18:33
DBOchmod -x */*/*.svg18:35
DBOfrom the Humanity directory18:35
mac_vDBO:  that doesnt seem to work on symlinks18:36
DBOsymlinks should be lrwxrwxrwx18:36
DBOthats just how symlinks are18:36
mac_voh , ok... DBO but why do i get error only for a few symlinks?18:38
DBObecause you have dangling symlinks18:38
mac_vah! , thanks :)18:39
DBOeither you are missing icons in bzr, or your symlinks have been allowed to rot18:41
mac_vDBO: yeah , i had just removed the notification-* icons and thats why i got the error...18:50
mac_vDBO: thanks  and get well soon :)18:50
hggdhseb128: hi -- bug 351577 -- AFAICR we would need to upgrade libpst to a newer version to get it compatible with Evo 2.28. I do not think it is worth it ATM18:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 351577 in libpst "[MIR] libpst" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35157718:58
tgpraveenkenvandine: so what was the final decision will karmic have msn av chat?19:06
tgpraveenkenvandine: also did u check if with i-a in karmic does it store missed calls? and on clicking on them in i-a goes to the make a call interface?19:07
kenvandinetgpraveen, i haven't tested that19:08
tgpraveenand msn av chat support?19:08
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tgpraveenkenvandine: ^^19:11
kenvandinetgpraveen, not sure atm... sorry busy :/19:11
tgpraveenk19:12
DanRabbitOKay, I'm here19:34
DanRabbitdjsiegel: what's up?19:35
djsiegelDanRabbit: hey, talk to kwwii lool DBO  :)19:35
DanRabbitkwwii, lool, DBO: ping19:36
DBOdjsiegel, why? we resolved the issue19:36
djsiegelDanRabbit: you'll need to talk to kwwii about dropping the human dependency and adding a notify-osd-icons dependency19:37
djsiegelDanRabbit: kwwii says that will be ready tomorrow19:37
djsiegelDanRabbit: then work with kwwii and lool, and propitiate pitti and seb128 to get humanity in19:38
djsiegellooks like everything is in place, but just be on your toes19:38
DanRabbitokay, well I'm in between school and 2nd job and then I have 1st job19:38
DanRabbitso...19:38
djsiegelso just keep your phone with you, I will call19:39
DanRabbitokay.19:39
DanRabbitif it's really necessary I can probably call in sick from work19:39
djsiegelDanRabbit: we also need to review U1 icons19:39
DanRabbitbut only if it's ABSOLUTELY necessary19:39
djsiegelyeah, don't do that19:39
mac_vDanRabbit: djsiegel almost all has been sorted out , when kwwii mentions the name of the new theme i can fix it ;)19:40
djsiegelok, great19:40
mac_vDanRabbit: no need to take a day off ;p19:40
DanRabbitdjsiegel: what's up with notification icons as far as the ones we have like the lightbulb19:44
DanRabbitshould we remove those for now?19:44
djsiegelDanRabbit: ah19:45
djsiegelDanRabbit: I suppose those should be removed19:45
djsiegelunless you can convince mpt to use it :)19:45
djsiegeltoo bad19:45
djsiegelyes, too late now, do not override notify-osd icons19:45
mac_vdjsiegel: DanRabbit: already removed ;)  ... mpt wont accept it either19:45
DBOmac_v == artist or code monkay?19:46
DanRabbitmac_v == super hero19:46
loolAm I needed for anything here?19:46
mac_v;p19:46
DBOmac_v will wear a cape forever in my mind19:47
DanRabbitlool: I'm not sure why David had me ping you ;)19:47
mac_vlool: if you give another 1 hr a fully functional new Humanity package will be ready :)19:47
loolmac_v: Final karmic one?19:47
mac_valmost  , untill someone finds something19:47
loolOk; ping me when that's ready19:48
loolunlikely that I'm around in one hour but I'll pick it up tomorrow19:48
djsiegelmac_v is a super hero20:06
djsiegelhe has the paper cut scars covering his hands to prove it20:07
djsiegelDanRabbit: when you have time, can we review UI icons20:07
DanRabbityea, give me 2 seconds20:07
seb128hggdh, hi, bug #34931220:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 349312 in evolution "Evolution 2.26 does not support import of outlook .pst" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34931220:12
seb128hggdh, I tried to update it some weeks ago and failed20:13
seb128it fails to build on something pythonish20:13
DanRabbitdjsiegel: can I review those with you in about an hour and a half?20:14
djsiegelsure20:14
seb128hggdh, details are on bug #34931220:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 349312 in evolution "Evolution 2.26 does not support import of outlook .pst" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34931220:15
DanRabbitokay, a new release is available 0.3.120:15
DanRabbitbe back ASAP20:15
DanRabbitbye'20:15
seb128hggdh, details are on bug #34931220:16
seb128ups20:16
seb128wrong focus20:16
seb128brb20:16
mac_vlool: done > https://launchpad.net/humanity/0.3/0.3 , the 0.3.1 is the version20:19
hggdhseb128will look at it20:28
mac_vseb128: regarding Bug #204567 , mpt said he was busy to review the bug...20:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 204567 in gnome-panel "Downloads should go to ~/Downloads" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20456720:47
seb128mac_v, ok20:47
mac_vthe panel now is full with 5 bookmarks  , we need to increase the limit20:47
seb128mac_v, what value do you recommend?20:48
mac_vseb128: 7 should do it , considering we have Ubuntuone also20:49
seb128ok, I was thinking 820:49
seb128let's try 8 for beta?20:49
mac_veven better ;)20:49
seb128I will do the change now20:49
mac_vseb128: great... thanks :)20:49
seb128np20:49
pittiI'll go offline, need to catch up on some urgent beta stuff, and then call it a day21:17
pitticu tomorrow!21:17
loolbye21:17
seb128pitti, see you21:23
seb128chrisccoulson, Laney, didrocks: wanting to do some updates?21:23
Laneywhat you got?21:24
LaneyI'm doing tomboy for debian atm21:24
seb128Laney, deskbar-applet21:25
seb128hamster-applet21:25
seb128gnome-backgrounds21:25
seb128sound-juicer to resync on debian21:25
seb128sabayon to resync on debian21:25
Laneynoted21:26
seb128seahorse-plugins21:26
seb128evolution-mapi21:27
seb128if you start on something mention it there ;-)21:27
seb128thanks21:27
seb128hggdh_, still there?21:29
loolmac_v: Pushed21:30
loolmac_v: Let me know if you drop the dep on Human at some point21:30
mac_vlool: sure... as soon as kwwii rolls out the new notify-osd icon theme21:31
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chrisccoulsonhey seb128, i've been away from the computer for a bit22:02
chrisccoulsonare there still any updates to do?22:02
chrisccoulsonwhat time does beta freeze start tomorrow?22:03
seb128chrisccoulson, cf the list I gave before22:15
seb128chrisccoulson, I don't think anybody claimed those22:15
chrisccoulsonseb128 - cool, i'll try and take a look before i go to bed. hamster-applet should be quite easy22:15
seb128chrisccoulson, all those should be relatively easy22:17
seb128chrisccoulson, the freeze start ... when slangasek wakes up and press the button22:17
seb128chrisccoulson, which will probably be mid work-day in europe22:17
chrisccoulsoncool, thanks!22:17
loolseb128, pitti: Re icon caches > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/human-icon-theme/+bug/262723/comments/922:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 262723 in human-icon-theme "Gnome and Human icon themes do not contain icon caches" [Undecided,New]22:27
chrisccoulsonhamster-applet done22:37
seb128chrisccoulson, that was quick ;-)22:37
chrisccoulsonit was only translation updates;)22:37
Laneyhouse is nearly finished22:38
LaneyI'll do one or two before bed22:38
seb128excellent22:42
* chrisccoulson thinks his mouse batteries might need changing22:45
Laneymine died in the middle of the other day22:46
Laneyof l4d^ - I wasted all of my ammunition :(22:47
LaneyI'll start with gnome-backgrounds22:47
chrisccoulsonthe warning light has been flashing on mine for a few days, but i keep getting random double clicks now22:47
Laneyindicators :o how modern22:47
chrisccoulsonmy last mouse had no warning light, and i couldn't monitor the battery status on my desktop22:48
chrisccoulsonit used to just die with no warning22:48
chrisccoulsonso i had to replace it with one which gives me some warning ;)22:48
* Laney has that22:48
chrisccoulsonit's getting late to be buying new batteries though. i might have to find something to raid some from22:49
Laney Launchpad will be going offline for maintenance very very soon.22:50
Laneyoh god22:50
chrisccoulsonfantastic timing there22:50
c_kornwhen are the translations coming into karmic ? indicator-session is still untranslated22:51
jpdsLaney: Yay  for database changes22:52
Laneyjust before a big ol' freeze!22:52
Laneyseb128: do you want to update gnome-backgrounds in debian?22:54
Laneyseems like a good idea to me22:54
seb128c_korn, it's partially translated there22:54
seb128c_korn, maybe your locale team is slacking? ;-)22:54
seb128Laney, I personally don't (no debian install to build binaries) but if you want to you are welcome22:55
seb128Laney, we have a lot of things which could get debian updates and would be useful22:55
Laneybah22:55
seb128Laney, see yellow on the table ;-)22:55
LaneyI was hoping for a sponsor ;)22:55
seb128if debian would accept source uploads ...22:56
seb128my debian install is quite outdated and I don't have the bandwith to update it quickly22:56
Laneythey are planning to rebuild all binaries anyway22:56
seb128why?22:56
LaneyI mean discard the _arch that goes with uploads22:56
Laneyto get a known clean deb for all arches22:57
seb128oh22:57
seb128that's what I call "source upload"22:57
Laneyi dont think you will be able to upload _source still though :(22:57
seb128oh ok22:57
seb128you do binary uploads but they don't use the deb22:57
seb128great...22:57
LaneyI might be wrong22:57
seb128you have the disadvantage of both world this way22:57
seb128it takes ages to upload, you need an uptodate clean unstable and your build is wasted22:58
c_kornseb128: hm, lp shows 31 untranslated strings. most have suggestions. for the others I entered some suggestions. is there a deadline this translation team has to respect. should I get in contact with a member ?22:58
Laneyyeah.22:59
LaneyThe reason is to force maintainers to test the build22:59
seb128Laney, basically it's trying to solve a social issue by technical means and not trusting maintainers23:02
Laneyyes that is my view too23:02
seb128c_korn, dunno how you translation team, I guess it's already getting late for beta23:02
seb128c_korn, but there is still a month before karmic23:02
c_kornseb128: ok, I need to contact them I think. thanks.23:05
Laneygnome-backgrounds done through debian23:19
DanRabbitDBO: ping23:21
DBOpong23:21
DanRabbitCan you make sure david sees these:23:21
DanRabbithttp://elementary-project.com/abuse/UbuntuOne/preview2.png http://elementary-project.com/abuse/UbuntuOne/panel-preview.png23:21
Laneysound-juicer now23:21
DanRabbitHe left me :p23:21
DanRabbitNow, I have to leave for work23:21
DanRabbitDBO: can you let him know that I'll be back about 10:00 my time and if I don't hear from him I'll package up what I've got and send it to everybody23:23
DBOI'll make sure david sees them DanRabbit23:24
DanRabbitthanks23:24
DanRabbitbye23:24
DBOlater23:24
seb128ok since launchpad is down let's catch up with sleep tonight23:27
seb128see you tomorrow23:27
chrisccoulsonit's nice of launchpad to be in read-only mode rather than completely unavailable23:29
chrisccoulsonwe'r just being teased23:29
Laneysound-juicer can be synced when it appears on mirrors23:34
Laneysabayon time23:35

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