[00:21] hey robert_ancell [00:22] seb128, evening [00:22] night shift guys are coming, I can go to bed ;-) [00:22] robert_ancell, how are you? [00:23] seb128, good. I see a few more 2.28s have been released overnight# [00:23] right [00:23] I think we have most of the major pieces but still some updates to do if you want to [00:23] we will do sponsoring in the european morning ;-) [00:24] the karmic beta freeze starts in 2 days now [00:24] and after that only critical fixes? [00:24] yes [00:25] well not only critical but only things important for beta [00:25] ie we will probably have some dxteam changes still landing [00:25] and bug fixes [00:25] cool [00:25] did you guys compile that karmic bug list? [00:26] I should have put that in the title [00:26] sec [00:27] robert_ancell, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~desktop-bugs?field.subscriber=&field.milestone%3Alist=12698&field.milestone%3Alist=12715 [00:27] launchpad sucks it lists things with a karmic task twice [00:28] and the list will get new items while we keep doing triaging and spotting issues [00:28] but that's a good one if you are looking for bugs to fix [00:28] that's true, perhaps we should make a list of bugs against LP that would make our lives easiers [00:29] there is a such list I think [00:29] my personal favourite is doing the advanced search for bugs fixed upstream and it shows bugs closed as invalid and bug closed against other products [00:29] but that doesn't mean they tackle those quickly [00:29] we should set rick on them :) [00:29] right, that one is annoying [00:30] I already used my rick card to get bug watches updated [00:30] I don't want to abuse it ;-) [00:30] nice [00:30] (they are working on it, they said that will happen this week) [00:30] what is broken? [00:30] with watches? [00:31] they don't know, they said they would try and fix it this week though [00:31] apparently they think it's due to the new bugzilla.gnome.org migration [00:31] oh, is that why they're not updating [00:31] well they can communicate with it [00:32] but they are facing issues in some cases [00:32] let's see if they figure what cases break exactly [00:32] anyway, time to go to bed there [00:32] have a nice day ;-) [00:32] see you tomorrow [00:32] hi robert_ancell [00:33] rickspencer31, hi rick [00:33] seb128, cya [00:33] g'night seb128 [00:33] 'night rickspencer31 [00:33] good night seb128 [00:33] 'night chrisccoulson ;-) [00:33] robert_ancell: seb128 I just saw bryce [00:33] I'm going to meet Dutch tomorrow [00:33] rickspencer31, oh, nice! [00:34] (that's the baby) [00:34] say hi to baby for me [00:34] bryce seems well .. I guess fatherhood suits himm [00:34] will do [00:34] robert_ancell: slangadesk just assigned you a gdm bug [00:35] basically, if there is any low hanging fruit way to remove the annoyance, go for it [00:35] otherwise, we'll punt it to Lucid [00:35] I love the description [00:35] hehe [00:35] Lucid? [00:35] rickspencer31, say hello from me too when you will see them tomorrow [00:35] seb128: will do [00:35] robert_ancell: Lucid Lynx [00:36] oh yes [00:37] robert_ancell - about bug 434940 - gconf 2.28.0 is already in ;) [00:37] Launchpad bug 434940 in gconf "Update to 2.28.0" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434940 [00:37] chrisccoulson, ok, will close [00:37] thanks [00:43] woah [00:43] since when did update-manager not use synaptic? [00:43] neat:) [00:49] Hey robert_ancell. Hope you are able to breathe this morning. :) [00:50] TheMuso, yeah, what is is like out west? [00:50] robert_ancell: Its mostly gone from up here, but the wind is very very strong and gusty. [00:50] Probably 90/100km wind gusts, give or take. [00:50] Not sure if I'll make my bike ride today then :) [00:50] It seems pretty calm here but red skies [00:51] hi TheMuso [00:51] Yeah I didn't exercise this morning either, started my walk and was coughing a a bit, so came home and cleaned up the kitchen instead. :p I didn't walk or skip, given the nature of the air. [00:51] Hey rickspencer31. [00:52] sounds like some crazy weather around Sydney [00:52] rickspencer31: In short, a dust storm. [00:52] drives men indoors to clean kitchens [00:53] lol [00:53] haha [00:54] TheMuso: what's the word on the street regarding pulse in karmic? [00:58] rickspencer31: I think overall good. [00:58] TheMuso: are we on the final version of pulse, or should I expect more updates? [00:59] I have 1:0.9.17-0ubuntu2 atm, but I saw there were some updates coming [01:00] rickspencer31: There is now 0.9.18 which is bug fixes. Anything from this point will be further fixes from upstream, if they are deemed important enough. [01:00] TheMuso: thanks for the update [01:00] have a good day! [01:01] see everyone tomorrow :0 [01:05] hello everybody [01:18] TheMuso, is there any good stuff in the 0.18 libcanberra release? [01:21] robert_ancell: I've already pulled useful bug fixes from it. [01:21] ah, ok === onestone_ is now known as onestone === YDdraigGoch is now known as Richie [07:08] Good morning [07:08] ccheney: ugh, thanks for the heads up. good luck! [07:09] didrocks: policykit-doc is the old stuff; look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/PolicyKitOneMigration for links to current documentation (or use policykit-1-doc) [07:10] Riddelll: oh, that's it? Nice [07:10] kklimonda: opened a tab, will have a look ASAP [07:12] pitti: hey o/ thanks for the link :) Hope to find same thing for console and devicekit :) [07:12] it's time to refresh all docs in my head ;) [07:13] didrocks: they have their documentation on the web, too [07:14] but again there's devickekit-disks-doc [07:14] ok, not deprecated this time, so :) [07:14] thanks! [07:23] * pitti -> off for an hour === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:02] Amaranth: hi... do you know about compiz causes X restarts while using the cube and switching workspaces? is this a known issue? [08:02] causing* [08:02] nope, I hadn't heard of that driver bug before ;) [08:03] aw... :( , i had 3 X restarts today , all while switching the workspace ,while selecting the window in a different workspace , the cube freezes ans Xrestarts [08:04] mac_v: X crash == driver problem :) [08:04] and i use Cairo dock , wa [08:04] tseliot: idr agrees with me about compiz and GLX 1.3, btw [08:05] We almost lost compiz on r300 because of that :P [08:05] Amaranth: who's idr? And what bug are you talking about ? [08:05] oh, maybe that wasn't you [08:06] ah, nope, tormod [08:07] hm , drivers ... had an xorg update yesterday... [08:08] i'm xorg edgers ppa [08:08] woohoo.. another update available [08:09] does it affects only xorg edgers? [08:12] not sure... but... [08:12] ibgl1-mesa-dev (7.7.0~git20090919.b8477f07-0ubuntu0tormod) to 7.7.0~git20090921.972e995b-0ubuntu0tormod [08:12] libgl1-mesa-dri (7.7.0~git20090919.b8477f07-0ubuntu0tormod) to 7.7.0~git20090921.972e995b-0ubuntu0tormod [08:12] libgl1-mesa-glx (7.7.0~git20090919.b8477f07-0ubuntu0tormod) to 7.7.0~git20090921.972e995b-0ubuntu0tormod [08:12] libglu1-mesa (7.7.0~git20090919.b8477f07-0ubuntu0tormod) to 7.7.0~git20090921.972e995b-0ubuntu0tormod [08:12] libglu1-mesa-dev (7.7.0~git20090919.b8477f07-0ubuntu0tormod) to 7.7.0~git20090921.972e995b-0ubuntu0tormod xserver-xorg-video-ati (1:6.12.99+git20090919.da7487f6-0ubuntu0tormod) to 1:6.12.99+git20090920.97a4e747-0ubuntu0tormod [08:12] xserver-xorg-video-intel (2:2.8.99.901~git20090918.33f98e40-0ubuntu0tormod) to 2:2.8.99.901~git20090921.b4d29452-0ubuntu0tormod [08:12] xserver-xorg-video-radeon (1:6.12.99+git20090919.da7487f6-0ubuntu0tormod) to 1:6.12.99+git20090920.97a4e747-0ubuntu0tormod [08:12] xserver-xorg-video-savage (1:2.3.0-1) to 1:2.3.0-1ubuntu1 [08:13] these were the updates yesterday , since then at random when using the switcher Xcrashes [08:13] updating again now [08:15] ah , crap... crashed again! [08:18] good morning everybody [08:19] salut seb128 [08:19] lut didrocks [08:27] hey seb128, bonjour! [08:27] hello pitti [08:27] good morning [08:27] pitti, dunno if you have seen but debian moved libglib to /lib for devicekit [08:27] hi kklimonda [08:28] seb128: hm, I wonder why [08:28] pitti, so devicekit works before having usr mounted [08:28] devicekit-{disks,power} aren't used before that.. [08:28] not sure if that's an issue we have [08:28] if it's literally "devicekit", that's gone from karmic [08:29] * pitti removed it yesterday, after the last rdepends was fixed [08:29] it's probably -disk [08:29] I'm not sure [08:29] just telling you in case you are interested in the change [08:29] aah [08:29] I see [08:29] hey robert_ancell [08:29] $ ldd /lib/udev/devkit-disks-part-id |grep glib [08:29] libglib-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0x00007f9d659fb000) [08:29] robert_ancell, still working on gtk? [08:29] hey robert_ancell, how are you? [08:29] seb128: so yes, seems like a good idea to do that then [08:30] seb128, yes, it just built so ready to upload soon [08:30] seb128: it's just part-id, probe-ata-smart and dm-export don't need it [08:30] pitti, hey pitti [08:30] robert_ancell, hum ok, I was going to rebase on debian they packaged 2.18 and our delta is trivial [08:30] seb128: debian has already packaged new gtk if you didn't see it. I don't know if we have specific version [08:30] seb128, oh, you might as well do that then :) [08:30] pitti, want to review http://incoming.debian.org/glib2.0_2.22.0-1.dsc? the diff with karmic? [08:30] oh, ok, not fast enough in typing ;) [08:31] didrocks, thanks ;-) [08:31] pitti, it seems fine to me but there is some changes just before beta I prefer double checking [08:32] robert_ancell, ok, using you changes and applying those on the current debian version [08:34] robert_ancell, are your changes in some bzr? [08:34] seb128, i'll just push now [08:34] robert_ancell, ok thanks [08:34] pushed [08:34] brb [08:37] wb robert_ancell [08:37] gdm testing requires a lot of logging in and out... [08:38] don't tell me [08:38] what are you fixing? the shutdown button thing? [08:38] yes [08:38] how do you plan to change it? [08:39] adding a unsensitive login one? or confirm the action selected? [08:39] I put a menu in the lower right of the screen as proposed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Karmic/LoginExperience [08:39] ok, excellent ;-) [08:40] the patch is finished, it will need a UI freeze break right? Should I commit it to bzr optimistically or push to a private branch? [08:41] commit to bzr I and nag pitti about approval ;-) [08:43] pitti.... [08:44] pitti: Can you have a look at bug 434338 for UI freeze break please? Also can you update versions.py (I fixed it so it doesn't think there is a new firefox waiting) [08:44] Launchpad bug 434338 in gdm "gdm 'shutdown' button == UI disaster" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434338 [08:45] ok, gtg, see you all tomorrow [08:46] re [08:47] I fixed teh cronjob to do a bzr pull before [08:48] will look at that bug [08:49] pitti, thanks [08:49] brb for some reason ssh agent is broken [08:53] it's working again, go figure [08:54] good morning everyone [08:55] hey chrisccoulson [08:55] hey seb128 - how are you today? [08:55] a bit tired but good otherwise [08:55] you? [08:56] yeah, i'm quite tired too [08:56] i might get some early nights in beta freeze ;) [08:57] hey chrisccoulson [08:57] hey pitti [09:11] i'm going to take bug 413116 [09:11] Launchpad bug 413116 in gnome-media "sliding volume control up doesn't unmute volume" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/413116 [09:11] chrisccoulson, \o/ [09:11] it probably won't be done for beta freeze though. it's still ok after beta release isnt it? [09:12] yes [09:12] or after beta [09:12] it might take me a bit more than 1 evening [09:12] cool:) [09:12] we still have some weeks after beta until karmic [09:12] hey asac_ === asac_ is now known as asac [09:19] mpt: re #432978 - do you want strict AND searching? [09:19] Riddell: Yuriy's patch uploaded [09:19] hi mvo_ [09:20] hello mpt [09:20] mvo_, yes [09:21] ok [09:21] mvo_, actually, that reminds me, for v2 we should have a blacklist of words that are mostly ignored in searches (used only for result ordering rather than filtering), e.g. "package", "application", "program", "suite" [09:21] so that if you search for "graphics program" you won't get vastly fewer results than searching just for "graphics" [09:21] I'll make a note of that [09:22] mpt: I fix it right away, no need for a note [09:22] mvo_, really? Ok, it needs a careful translation note though [09:23] mpt: oh, misread. yes, that is 2.0 [09:23] ok :-) === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [09:51] gnagnagna [09:51] it should be easier to reinstall conffiles from a binary [09:52] * seb128 unpack the deb using dpkg-deb and cp the files [09:53] yeah, it's a pain having to do that [09:55] seb128, mvo_: who do I hassle/is there a bug/should I file a bug about software-store being in system->admin? [09:55] it's already in the apps menu (where it should be, AFAIK) [09:56] pitti, nobody? it's a minor issue and we already talked about it yesterday ;-) [09:56] sure, but "talk" is not enough action :) [09:56] pitti, ie no need to "hassle", there is higher things on the list right now [09:57] so I just file a bug now [09:57] software-store [09:57] it needs to change its Category use [09:57] using the same than gnome-app-install [09:58] ~software-store-developers [09:58] meh [09:58] can't commit [10:00] pitti: I will commit if you send me a diff or a branch - I can add you as well if oyu want [10:02] hm, doesn't seem to be that easy; I'll discuss it in the bug [10:04] ok, followed up [10:04] (bug 435123) [10:04] Launchpad bug 435123 in software-store "Extra menu item in System -> Administration" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435123 [10:04] mvo_: not that urgent, I just want it on the final release radar [10:04] pitti, why not? [10:04] why not easy [10:04] seb128: g-a-i has the same problem [10:04] but just dropping the System;Settings categories from both does the trick [10:05] "has the same problem" [10:05] that's why I was not sure that was a bug ;-) [10:05] another issues is that it might break software-store for other des [10:05] DEs [10:06] thats why I said "not that easy" [10:06] ie not sure where it's listed in xfce and what impact it will have for them if it's menu masked [10:06] did g-a-i get a special treatment in the panel? [10:06] no [10:06] but as you said it was listed in admin too [10:06] g-a-i had a separate XFCE .desktop [10:10] pitti, we can probably hack the gnome-menus .menu to filter it out otherwise [10:10] since that's what we hack to add it where it is now [10:10] ah, so it sort of does get special treatment in the panel [10:11] seb128, pitti, bug 433386 requires that the Store is in System > Administration for UNR, but not for Ubuntu [10:11] Launchpad bug 433386 in software-store "Add software-store to the UNR menus" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/433386 [10:11] mpt: ah, thanks [10:13] pitti, in gnome-menus yes, there is no "out of the categories category" [10:13] ie no way for any desktop to put itself where software-store is [10:35] Hello everyone ! [10:42] hey huats! [10:43] hey pitti ! [10:45] pitti: Hey [10:46] mvo_, for bug 433232, how often would that sort of problem be fixed by installing all available updates and then trying again? [10:46] Launchpad bug 433232 in software-store "software-store doesn't provide error dialog when package can't be installed" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/433232 [10:46] pitti: I see in the desktop report that some people have workitems below or above trend line [10:46] pitti: does that mean you have per-person workitems charts/lists? [10:46] I couldn't find these [10:46] mpt: very rarely, this is typically a bug in the archive or a transient failure [10:46] lool: no, we don't; that was just a misunderstanding then [10:46] pitti: Ok thanks [10:47] mpt: transient in the sense that it might happen if a mirror is updating or if we do a transition [10:47] mvo_, by "transient" do you mean that a "Retry" button would be useful? Or if not, what else should be done before trying again? [10:47] mvo_, "Try again in a day or two"? :-) [10:50] mpt: yes, try again in a day or two (maybe with a automatic countdown :P ? [10:51] mpt: I think it should just show something like "Sorry, but this application can not be installed currently" [10:51] "If you do nothing, the Store will try again in 57600 seconds." [10:51] ok :-) [10:51] "it may become available later" [10:51] something like this [10:52] "If you do nothing, the Store will try again in 57600 seconds." [cancel] [wait] [10:52] hehe === spc_ is now known as spc [11:29] hey pitti. i think you're probably best off just closing bug 374151 for now [11:29] Launchpad bug 374151 in vala "MIR for vala" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/374151 [11:29] what was originally going to depend on it is not going to make it in karmic [11:29] okay, thanks [11:29] and i think when upstream roll a tarball, they will compile the vala code in to C code in the distributed tarball anyway [11:30] which means it wouldn't be needed as a build-dependency anyway [11:31] I see; done [11:31] there will be a new tracker tarball in a couple of weeks btw - far to late for karmic though [11:31] thanks [11:32] chrisccoulson: If they weren't planning on doing that from the start I'd have to hit them :P [11:32] Amaranth - you mean compiling the vala code in the tarball? [11:33] chrisccoulson: If you were going to ship a git snapshot you would do the same for the orig tar.gz because that's what make distcheck should do :) [11:33] chrisccoulson: Yes, that's the standard and expected way to ship modules using vala [11:33] chrisccoulson: Vala set the standard there, it is written in vala too :) [11:34] Amaranth - yeah. i think i assumed they wouldn't do that because when i rolled my own tarball from git, i still had to compile the vala code afterwards [11:34] that was a while ago though [11:34] Yeah, everyone misses it in their first collision between vala and autotools [11:34] i'll probably stick the new tracker in a PPA somewhere anyway [11:35] chrisccoulson: First release with the new sparql rdf-based data store, right? [11:35] Amaranth - yeah, that's right [11:36] i've already done some work on the packaging to split the store from the indexer [11:36] but my work is quite old now [11:36] chrisccoulson: I want to get exciting about that but everyone always laughs at them or gets confused when they talk about it :/ [11:36] s/exciting/excited/ [11:36] Amaranth - yeah, i get confused too. [11:37] If it didn't walk $HOME on start it wouldn't matter if almost no one used that part of it as long as it had a single user it would be a win [11:37] yeah, there's not much using it at the moment [11:38] * Amaranth tests new bootchart again [11:38] anyway, i need to try and motivate myself to do some work now. i'm having a very unproductive day;) [11:44] * Amaranth looks at bootchart, gets embarrassed [11:45] one second for compiz shell script followed by 10 seconds of compiz chewing mostly disk but a little CPU thrown in [11:46] Amaranth: reading/parsing all its xml files? [11:46] pitti: once reading them as protobuf (nice little second or two of IO followed by CPU) then once reading them as XML (significantly longer) [11:47] couldn't those be cached? [11:47] Oh, I'm not actually using compiz right now [11:48] It must have silently crashed and loaded metacity some time after boot :/ [11:48] [ 106.637269] compiz.real[2121]: segfault at 2 ip 00007fa5b12e13c9 sp 00007fff152b9d10 error 4 in libwobbly.so[7fa5b12db000+8000] [11:48] crap [11:48] seb128: cached in what way? the cache is the protobuf versions [11:49] but only the ccp plugin knows to read them [11:49] why are the xml read anyway then? [11:49] But since we have no shot at getting any version of compiz newer than 0.8.4 before 10.10 I suppose this is a problem worth fixing in the 0.8.x versions now :) [11:49] seb128: To tell compiz about the settings for the plugins [11:50] (and also to expose that information via dbus along with a way to control compiz via dbus) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:02] hmm, slow DNS, must be my resolv.conf getting screwed again [12:05] Nice, OpenSuSE ships a patch to compiz almost as big as a compiz tarball to add the nomad branch [12:28] Amaranth: hang on, you have slow DNS? [12:28] Amaranth: I have the same problem with my router, and running a workaround for some time [12:28] but so far I didn't meet anyone else with that problem [12:28] pitti: yeah, thanks to "search" lines [12:29] Amaranth: if you run "host www.ubuntu.com", does it give you an immediate result and then hang for some 10 seconds, and then respond with "no results"? [12:29] Amaranth: or, rather, ";; connection timed out; no servers could be reached" [12:30] pitti: it gives me a result then sits for a couple seconds then exits [12:30] $ host www.ubuntu.com [12:30] www.ubuntu.com has address 91.189.94.8 [12:30] [10 second pause] [12:30] ; connection timed out; no servers could be reached [12:30] [ 5 second pause ] [12:30] ; connection timed out; no servers could be reached [12:30] no error and only maybe 4 second pause here [12:30] I only get that when using my router as DNS server, not when I manually kick it to use the official Telekom DNS [12:30] but I think my original resolv.conf had two search lines so that may add even more time [12:30] ok, then it seems to be a different problem [12:30] I just use 4.2.2.2 [12:31] I don't have any search lines, and still have the problem [12:31] Tried using OpenDNS? [12:31] different problem then [12:31] I'd blame my router, if my wife would have the same problem as well [12:32] but I didn't have it on jaunty and early karmic, and neither does she (jaunty as well) [12:37] pitti: I get the result almost instantly [12:37] * asac lunch [12:38] pitti: Mind you I'm using a mix of my own dns cache and opendns [12:45] oh wow, if we had changed compiz to check for GLX 1.3 for glXCreatePixmap it wouldn't work on r300 or any intel [12:45] phew, close one [12:46] tormod filed a bug saying we should do so then upstream dri almost convinced us it was needed :) === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:22] davmor2: right, if I use the DNS servers which my router uses, it's fine [13:24] Laney, do you work on f-spot out of packaging? [13:24] Laney, are you in contact with upstream too? [13:24] a bit [13:24] I'm in the IRC channel [13:25] ok [13:25] the slideshow screensaver seems to not be working [13:25] would you be interested to upstream that or investigate? [13:25] I saw some reports on that [13:25] needed to figure out if its a packaging issue or upstream [13:26] running /usr/lib/gnome-screensaver/gnome-screensaver/f-spot-screensaver by hand works [13:27] and straces seems to in indicate gnome-screensaver-preferences finds it too [13:28] but it doesnt work from the gnome-screensaver preview right? [13:31] Laney, no, neither the preview or the screensaver [13:31] if you have no favorite picture the /usr/lib/gnome-screensaver/gnome-screensaver/f-spot-screensaver displays a message [13:31] but the screensaver is empty [13:31] same with an image [13:31] it just indicates it's not an image loading issue [13:31] hmm [13:31] and I tried the gnome-screensaver version from jaunty [13:31] same issue [13:31] so running it by hand works [13:32] thats weird [13:32] yes... [13:32] seb128: do you want to join #f-spot? [13:32] I'm not on an Ubuntu box atm [13:33] ok [13:41] kenvandine: do you know if http://people.canonical.com/~jamesw/messaging_menu.png is a known bug? It doesn't match the picture in the spec. [13:41] * kenvandine looks [13:41] james_w, the avatar? [13:42] the fact that the separator below empathy ends up above the messages from empathy [13:42] oh... that is a known bug [13:42]