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| ian_brasil | lool, you around? | 18:16 |
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| lool | ian_brasil: Yes but busy right now -- in one hour? | 18:16 |
| ian_brasil | ok | 18:16 |
| mac_v | plars: could you add a screenshot for Bug #435465 | 21:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 435465 in humanity-icon-theme "Sound & Video icon in UNR is blurry" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435465 | 21:11 |
| mac_v | plars: also, could you check if the theme has a /usr/share/icons/humanity/categories/64/applications-multimedia.svg icon ? i believe the problem has been fixed in the revs since the last UNR snapshot | 21:13 |
| plars | mac_v: sure, give me a sec | 21:14 |
| plars | mac_v: I just updated this system this morning, but it looks like there's already an update in the queue for humanity-icon-theme, let me check that first | 21:18 |
| plars | mac_v: before update at least, that file does not exist | 21:18 |
| mac_v | yeah , that has been fixed , we added the 64px icons specifically for UNR | 21:23 |
| plars | mac_v: well, the file is there now, but it still looks blurry | 21:25 |
| plars | mac_v: will attach a screenshot, sec | 21:25 |
| mac_v | plars: hm.. ok thanks... did you logout and re-login? or restarted panel? panel icons do not take effect until restarted | 21:26 |
| plars | mac_v: I even rebooted | 21:27 |
| mac_v | oh... ok.. will have a look into it | 21:27 |
| mac_v | plars: also... what is the version of the latest update? | 21:28 |
| plars | mac_v: 0.3~20090923+r276-0ubuntu1 | 21:30 |
| lool | plars, mac_v: I just pushed 0.3.1 | 21:31 |
| mac_v | plars: hmm.. ok.. i'll see what the problem is | 21:32 |
| plars | lool: oh yeah? well I just updated so you weren't fast enough buddy! :) | 21:32 |
| lool | :-) | 21:33 |
| plars | hasn't shown up yet | 21:33 |
| lool | ian_brasil: Sorry forgot to ping you | 21:33 |
| lool | ian_brasil: Still around? | 21:33 |
| plars | i'll pull again later and see | 21:33 |
| ian_brasil | lool, hey | 21:33 |
| lool | hey | 21:33 |
| ian_brasil | not sure rbelem is around | 21:34 |
| mac_v | lool: do you have an idea what size icons are used in the main panel? | 21:34 |
| lool | ian_brasil: let's just chat about what you wanted to bringup yesterday; he can catchup later or we can one-to-one any three of us | 21:34 |
| ian_brasil | cool...so we have made a plan for the MID Remix @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/UbuntuMIDRemix | 21:35 |
| mac_v | main panel menu* | 21:35 |
| ian_brasil | basically update the packages, add notify-osd, make a gtkrc | 21:35 |
| ian_brasil | update ubuntu-cdimage and the seeds | 21:35 |
| lool | mac_v: left categories? | 21:35 |
| mac_v | yeah | 21:35 |
| lool | mac_v: it might be 44 looking at the code, but not sure | 21:36 |
| ian_brasil | we are looking for the upstream source a.t.m but should have this done in about a week | 21:36 |
| lool | ian_brasil: Ok; concerning the name, MID versus MID remix | 21:36 |
| lool | ian_brasil: You want to use remix? | 21:36 |
| lool | ian_brasil: We're using mid in cdimage and on the weatherreport and we have a mid seed | 21:37 |
| ian_brasil | if it is possible then yes | 21:37 |
| mac_v | lool: ok.. thanks , ,but 44 is a weirdly odd size... or is it 48? | 21:37 |
| lool | Do these places need to be updated or is it ok if you use the technical name mid for hosting? | 21:37 |
| ian_brasil | i think rbelem wanted to update the seeds but i see no problem with the name MID | 21:38 |
| lool | mac_v: looking at netbook-launcher/nl-sidebar-item.c nl_sidebar_item_new(), it does ctk_image_set_size (image, 44); ctk_image_set_from_pixbuf (image, icon); | 21:39 |
| ian_brasil | at least for hosting..the idea is to get a release out of the door for Karmic and then think a bit more for karmic +1 | 21:39 |
| lool | mac_v: ping UNR upstream folks to confirm or check a screenshot? | 21:39 |
| lool | ian_brasil: So it's going to be really hard for karmic | 21:39 |
| mac_v | ok... | 21:39 |
| lool | ian_brasil: The release team might have issues with an image which wasn't in any alpha | 21:39 |
| ian_brasil | if we take @1 week for package updates and @1 week for the rest that gives 2 weeks leeway | 21:39 |
| lool | ian_brasil: But we can try | 21:39 |
| lool | ian_brasil: Keep in mind that it's the time of the cycle where we have the least amount of extra bandwidth for unplanned stuff | 21:40 |
| lool | We're getting dumped unplanned stuff every day on us, so it's though to make time | 21:40 |
| lool | ian_brasil: Anyway, let's try | 21:40 |
| ian_brasil | lool, ok..then we should try to do everything which will help | 21:40 |
| lool | ian_brasil: So we need to transform your plan in a finer grained list of items | 21:41 |
| lool | ian_brasil: And also look at assignee | 21:41 |
| ian_brasil | like naming and so on..the idea is not to bother you with anything apart from pinging when we upload and asking quaestions here | 21:41 |
| lool | ian_brasil: So the way I see it, you'll need FFEs for a bunch of hildon-ish packages | 21:41 |
| * rbelem here | 21:41 | |
| ian_brasil | lool, yes exactly this | 21:42 |
| lool | ian_brasil: On https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/UbuntuMIDRemix could you please update packages to only list source packages, not binary packages? that reads more clearly and avoids repetition | 21:42 |
| ian_brasil | lool, yes of course | 21:42 |
| lool | ian_brasil: So once we have a clearly outlined plan (should be clear after this discussion, just need to reflect it in the wiki page), I think we should talk to release team about it | 21:43 |
| lool | Pointing out the plan, explaining that it's mostly universe stuff, and underlining that we're trying to make it but it's not blocking the karmic release | 21:44 |
| lool | ian_brasil: So what type of image do you want to release? | 21:44 |
| lool | or build | 21:45 |
| lool | At this point of the cycle, all uploads are soon going to be reviewed and manually approved | 21:45 |
| lool | (It might be that the release team says it's too late for the changes) | 21:45 |
| ian_brasil | Ok..we would like to build a .img | 21:46 |
| ian_brasil | we will make a PPA and upload to that | 21:46 |
| lool | One thing I also expect they might raise is the fact that if you dont make it to beta they dont want of an image in final | 21:46 |
| lool | Ok so if you shoot for an universe + PPA image it's a bit more work to setup but you're free to do more changes in PPA | 21:47 |
| lool | That might be more reasonnable given the timelin | 21:47 |
| lool | e | 21:47 |
| ian_brasil | lool, that is reasonable question from the release team | 21:47 |
| lool | ian_brasil: So .img is what we used to do for MID and UNR | 21:48 |
| lool | but we moved to ISO | 21:48 |
| lool | reason is that it's easier to manipulate ISOs and we have a tool to convert to .img but not the other way around | 21:48 |
| ian_brasil | lool, ok so then it makes more sense to do an .ISO | 21:48 |
| lool | Ok | 21:48 |
| lool | I take it you want a live image? | 21:49 |
| ian_brasil | for this release we will build image with packages already in repository | 21:49 |
| ian_brasil | for the next everything can be updated | 21:49 |
| ian_brasil | yes a live image | 21:49 |
| lool | So I checked where the mid seed wa | 21:50 |
| lool | was | 21:50 |
| lool | It's in bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ | 21:50 |
| lool | mobile.karmic | 21:50 |
| lool | Which means you can't easily push to it | 21:50 |
| lool | Is one of you MOTU? | 21:51 |
| ian_brasil | rbelem, has been playing around with the seeds quite a lot | 21:51 |
| ian_brasil | no i am not | 21:51 |
| lool | So it will make it hard to work on the packages in Ubuntu and on the seeds; we need to use a special ownership then | 21:52 |
| lool | I'm checking what xubuntu does | 21:52 |
| * rbelem back again | 21:52 | |
| ian_brasil | we have a local mirror set up and are building cd images locally | 21:52 |
| lool | They use a team and invited ubuntu-core-dev to it | 21:52 |
| ian_brasil | cool..so we can do the same thing | 21:53 |
| lool | So I'm not sure reusing ~ubuntu-mobile is a good idea | 21:53 |
| lool | It has many members and is quite convoluted into many meaning | 21:53 |
| lool | s | 21:54 |
| lool | Perhaps ~ubuntu-mid? | 21:54 |
| ian_brasil | lool, ok..i will update the wiki page | 21:54 |
| lool | I have to tell you that I personally find the "MID" name not ideal because it denotes a device type; so if you ever want to target more than that or something slightly different it looks weird | 21:54 |
| lool | For instance the N900 could be considered a MID or a phone | 21:55 |
| mac_v | plars: lol... ! thats not humanity ;) | 21:55 |
| lool | Another note: PPA will restrict you to i386/amd64/lpia | 21:55 |
| ian_brasil | lool,nokia will love you for saying that | 21:55 |
| mac_v | plars: the was one of the problems with Human i had mention to lool about | 21:55 |
| lool | You want i386 or armel too? | 21:55 |
| ian_brasil | lool, let me talk with rbelem about that | 21:56 |
| lool | Ok | 21:56 |
| lool | I mean I wouldn't mind much more if you'd come up with "Foobar" as a project name; we can currently reuse some bits but the history isn't too interesting | 21:57 |
| ian_brasil | i gotta run now..will ping you later..rbelem you have questions? | 21:57 |
| lool | The last thing I wanted to tell you guys about is livecd-rootfs | 21:57 |
| lool | You want to use that to output a squashfs which contains your rootfs | 21:57 |
| lool | That should work with your seed | 21:57 |
| rbelem | lool, i will read the log and probably will have some questions | 21:57 |
| rbelem | ops | 21:57 |
| rbelem | ian_brasil, | 21:57 |
| lool | You can setup team + ppa + seed + meta + livecd-rootfs without me I think | 21:58 |
| lool | rbelem: ok | 21:58 |
| lool | It's late for me too but I'm around a little longer | 21:58 |
| rbelem | lool, n900 ia a phone and mid | 21:58 |
| rbelem | *is | 21:58 |
| lool | rbelem: Yes, so MID in the name of the image is a bit restrictive perhaps? | 21:58 |
| rbelem | lool, thats true | 21:59 |
| rbelem | lool, i do not like very much Mer, because it sounds another thing in portuguese | 21:59 |
| rbelem | the name | 22:00 |
| rbelem | Mer | 22:00 |
| rbelem | :-) | 22:00 |
| lool | I understand | 22:00 |
| lool | So it's something you cant easily change later | 22:00 |
| rbelem | lool, hum... i can change later | 22:01 |
| rbelem | lool, but i think it is better a better name | 22:02 |
| plars | mac_v: ah, ok | 22:03 |
| lool | rbelem: EPARSE | 22:03 |
| rbelem | lool, eparse? | 22:03 |
| rbelem | what it means? | 22:03 |
| lool | rbelem: That I couldn't understand what you wrote | 22:03 |
| lool | Couldn't parse it | 22:03 |
| rbelem | ah! | 22:04 |
| rbelem | :-D | 22:04 |
| lool | I dont think it's easy to change a project's name no | 22:05 |
| rbelem | lool, i mean... i will look for another name. if i wont find a good one, we will use ubuntu-mer-remix | 22:05 |
| rbelem | ah! ok | 22:06 |
| lool | Well I dont want to force you guys; you can use MID if you like; I find it's going to cause confusion on the short and long term but it's your project :-) | 22:06 |
| rbelem | it is better to avoid this confusion. i will look for another name until tomorrow. | 22:08 |
| rbelem | lool, what do you think about our small plan that is in the wiki - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/UbuntuMIDRemix | 22:09 |
| lool | rbelem: I think it's what I commented on with ian_brasil earlier | 22:10 |
| rbelem | lool, <lool> You want i386 or armel too? A: i386, lpia and armel | 22:16 |
| lool | rbelem: Ok; it's not currently possible to get armel in PPAs by default | 22:17 |
| rbelem | lool, <lool> You can setup team + ppa + seed + meta + livecd-rootfs without me I think A: yep :-) | 22:18 |
| rbelem | lool, ok... then for now i386 and lpia for ppa | 22:18 |
| rbelem | lool, and i can build on my machine armel packages and images | 22:19 |
| lool | rbelem: BTW if it's built from PPA, you need to name the image "Remix" | 22:19 |
| lool | Like Ubuntu Foobar Remix | 22:19 |
| lool | because it's not built from the official ubuntu archive | 22:19 |
| lool | But you can use Ubuntu Foobar in all technical names | 22:19 |
| lool | e.g. the team and seed can be named ubuntu-foobar | 22:20 |
| rbelem | lool, no problem :-) | 22:20 |
| rbelem | lool, i guess i dont have more questions, but if you have more recommendations... :-) | 22:22 |
| rbelem | lool, i really want to be a motu too | 22:23 |
| lool | That might be a way towards MOTU | 22:24 |
| rbelem | lool, i tried some years ago, but i spoke english even worse, and was too young | 22:24 |
| rbelem | cool! | 22:24 |
| rbelem | lool, thanks for you attention :-) tomorrow i will have some of your recommendations ready | 22:26 |
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