[18:16] <ian_brasil> lool, you around?
[18:16] <lool> ian_brasil: Yes but busy right now -- in one hour?
[18:16] <ian_brasil> ok 
[21:11] <mac_v> plars: could you add a screenshot for Bug #435465
[21:13] <mac_v> plars: also, could you check if the theme has a /usr/share/icons/humanity/categories/64/applications-multimedia.svg icon ? i believe the problem has been fixed in the revs since the last UNR snapshot
[21:14] <plars> mac_v: sure, give me a sec
[21:18] <plars> mac_v: I just updated this system this morning, but it looks like there's already an update in the queue for humanity-icon-theme, let me check that first
[21:18] <plars> mac_v: before update at least, that file does not exist
[21:23] <mac_v> yeah ,  that has been fixed , we added the 64px icons specifically for UNR 
[21:25] <plars> mac_v: well, the file is there now, but it still looks blurry
[21:25] <plars> mac_v: will attach a screenshot, sec
[21:26] <mac_v> plars: hm.. ok thanks... did you logout and re-login? or restarted panel? panel icons do not take effect until restarted
[21:27] <plars> mac_v: I even rebooted
[21:27] <mac_v> oh... ok.. will have a look into it
[21:28] <mac_v> plars: also... what is the version of the latest update? 
[21:30] <plars> mac_v: 0.3~20090923+r276-0ubuntu1
[21:31] <lool> plars, mac_v: I just pushed 0.3.1
[21:32] <mac_v> plars: hmm.. ok.. i'll see what the problem is
[21:32] <plars> lool: oh yeah? well I just updated so you weren't fast enough buddy! :)
[21:33] <lool> :-)
[21:33] <plars> hasn't shown up yet
[21:33] <lool> ian_brasil: Sorry forgot to ping you
[21:33] <lool> ian_brasil: Still around?
[21:33] <plars> i'll pull again later and see
[21:33] <ian_brasil> lool, hey
[21:33] <lool> hey
[21:34] <ian_brasil> not sure rbelem is around
[21:34] <mac_v> lool: do you have an idea what size icons are used in the main panel?
[21:34] <lool> ian_brasil: let's just chat about what you wanted to bringup yesterday; he can catchup later or we can one-to-one any three of us
[21:35] <ian_brasil> cool...so we have made a plan for the MID Remix @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/UbuntuMIDRemix
[21:35] <mac_v> main panel menu*
[21:35] <ian_brasil> basically update the packages, add notify-osd, make a gtkrc
[21:35] <ian_brasil> update ubuntu-cdimage and the seeds
[21:35] <lool> mac_v: left categories?
[21:35] <mac_v> yeah
[21:36] <lool> mac_v: it might be 44 looking at the code, but not sure
[21:36] <ian_brasil> we are looking for the upstream source a.t.m but should have this done in about a week
[21:36] <lool> ian_brasil: Ok; concerning the name, MID versus MID remix
[21:36] <lool> ian_brasil: You want to use remix?
[21:37] <lool> ian_brasil: We're using mid in cdimage and on the weatherreport and we have a mid seed
[21:37] <ian_brasil> if it is possible then yes
[21:37] <mac_v> lool: ok.. thanks , ,but 44 is a weirdly odd size... or is it 48?
[21:37] <lool> Do these places need to be updated or is it ok if you use the technical name mid for hosting?
[21:38] <ian_brasil> i think rbelem wanted to update the seeds but i see no problem with the name MID
[21:39] <lool> mac_v: looking at netbook-launcher/nl-sidebar-item.c nl_sidebar_item_new(), it does   ctk_image_set_size (image, 44); ctk_image_set_from_pixbuf (image, icon);
[21:39] <ian_brasil> at least for hosting..the idea is to get a release out of the door for Karmic and then think a bit more for karmic +1
[21:39] <lool> mac_v: ping UNR upstream folks to confirm or check a screenshot?
[21:39] <lool> ian_brasil: So it's going to be really hard for karmic
[21:39] <mac_v> ok... 
[21:39] <lool> ian_brasil: The release team might have issues with an image which wasn't in any alpha
[21:39] <ian_brasil> if we take @1 week for package updates and @1 week for the rest that gives 2 weeks leeway
[21:39] <lool> ian_brasil: But we can try
[21:40] <lool> ian_brasil: Keep in mind that it's the time of the cycle where we have the least amount of extra bandwidth for unplanned stuff
[21:40] <lool> We're getting dumped unplanned stuff every day on us, so it's though to make time
[21:40] <lool> ian_brasil: Anyway, let's try
[21:40] <ian_brasil> lool, ok..then we should try to do everything which will help
[21:41] <lool> ian_brasil: So we need to transform your plan in a finer grained list of items
[21:41] <lool> ian_brasil: And also look at assignee
[21:41] <ian_brasil> like naming and so on..the idea is not to bother you with anything apart from pinging when we upload and asking quaestions here
[21:41] <lool> ian_brasil: So the way I see it, you'll need FFEs for a bunch of hildon-ish packages
[21:41]  * rbelem here
[21:42] <ian_brasil> lool, yes exactly this
[21:42] <lool> ian_brasil: On https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/UbuntuMIDRemix could you please update packages to only list source packages, not binary packages?  that reads more clearly and avoids repetition
[21:42] <ian_brasil> lool, yes of course
[21:43] <lool> ian_brasil: So once we have a clearly outlined plan (should be clear after this discussion, just need to reflect it in the wiki page), I think we should talk to release team about it
[21:44] <lool> Pointing out the plan, explaining that it's mostly universe stuff, and underlining that we're trying to make it but it's not blocking the karmic release
[21:44] <lool> ian_brasil: So what type of image do you want to release?
[21:45] <lool> or build
[21:45] <lool> At this point of the cycle, all uploads are soon going to be reviewed and manually approved
[21:45] <lool> (It might be that the release team says it's too late for the changes)
[21:46] <ian_brasil> Ok..we would like to build a .img
[21:46] <ian_brasil> we will make a PPA and upload to that
[21:46] <lool> One thing I also expect they might raise is the fact that if you dont make it to beta they dont want of an image in final
[21:47] <lool> Ok so if you shoot for an universe + PPA image it's a bit more work to setup but you're free to do more changes in PPA
[21:47] <lool> That might be more reasonnable given the timelin
[21:47] <lool> e
[21:47] <ian_brasil> lool, that is reasonable question from the release team
[21:48] <lool> ian_brasil: So .img is what we used to do for MID and UNR
[21:48] <lool> but we moved to ISO
[21:48] <lool> reason is that it's easier to manipulate ISOs and we have a tool to convert to .img but not the other way around
[21:48] <ian_brasil> lool, ok so then it makes more sense to do an .ISO
[21:48] <lool> Ok
[21:49] <lool> I take it you want a live image?
[21:49] <ian_brasil> for this release we will build image with packages already in repository
[21:49] <ian_brasil> for the next everything can be updated
[21:49] <ian_brasil> yes a live image
[21:50] <lool> So I checked where the mid seed wa
[21:50] <lool> was
[21:50] <lool> It's in bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/
[21:50] <lool> mobile.karmic
[21:50] <lool> Which means you can't easily push to it
[21:51] <lool> Is one of you MOTU?
[21:51] <ian_brasil> rbelem, has been playing around with the seeds quite a lot
[21:51] <ian_brasil> no i am not
[21:52] <lool> So it will make it hard to work on the packages in Ubuntu and on the seeds; we need to use a special ownership then
[21:52] <lool> I'm checking what xubuntu does
[21:52]  * rbelem back again
[21:52] <ian_brasil> we  have a local mirror set up and are building cd images locally 
[21:52] <lool> They use a team and invited ubuntu-core-dev to it
[21:53] <ian_brasil> cool..so we can do the same thing
[21:53] <lool> So I'm not sure reusing ~ubuntu-mobile is a good idea
[21:53] <lool> It has many members and is quite convoluted into many meaning
[21:54] <lool> s
[21:54] <lool> Perhaps ~ubuntu-mid?
[21:54] <ian_brasil> lool, ok..i will update the wiki page
[21:54] <lool> I have to tell you that I personally find the "MID" name not ideal because it denotes a device type; so if you ever want to target more than that or something slightly different it looks weird
[21:55] <lool> For instance the N900 could be considered a MID or a phone
[21:55] <mac_v> plars: lol... ! thats not humanity ;)
[21:55] <lool> Another note: PPA will restrict you to i386/amd64/lpia
[21:55] <ian_brasil> lool,nokia will love you for saying that
[21:55] <mac_v> plars: the was one of the problems with Human i had mention to lool about
[21:55] <lool> You want i386 or armel too?
[21:56] <ian_brasil> lool, let me talk with rbelem about that
[21:56] <lool> Ok
[21:57] <lool> I mean I wouldn't mind much more if you'd come up with "Foobar" as a project name; we can currently reuse some bits but the history isn't too interesting
[21:57] <ian_brasil> i gotta run now..will ping you later..rbelem you have questions?
[21:57] <lool> The last thing I wanted to tell you guys about is livecd-rootfs
[21:57] <lool> You want to use that to output a squashfs which contains your rootfs
[21:57] <lool> That should work with your seed
[21:57] <rbelem> lool, i will read the log and probably will have some questions
[21:57] <rbelem> ops
[21:57] <rbelem> ian_brasil, 
[21:58] <lool> You can setup team + ppa + seed + meta + livecd-rootfs without me I think
[21:58] <lool> rbelem: ok
[21:58] <lool> It's late for me too but I'm around a little longer
[21:58] <rbelem> lool, n900 ia a phone and mid
[21:58] <rbelem> *is
[21:58] <lool> rbelem: Yes, so MID in the name of the image is a bit restrictive perhaps?
[21:59] <rbelem> lool, thats true
[21:59] <rbelem> lool, i do not like very much Mer, because it sounds another thing in portuguese
[22:00] <rbelem> the name
[22:00] <rbelem> Mer
[22:00] <rbelem> :-)
[22:00] <lool> I understand
[22:00] <lool> So it's something you cant easily change later
[22:01] <rbelem> lool, hum... i can change later
[22:02] <rbelem> lool, but i think it is better a better name
[22:03] <plars> mac_v: ah, ok
[22:03] <lool> rbelem: EPARSE
[22:03] <rbelem> lool, eparse?
[22:03] <rbelem> what it means?
[22:03] <lool> rbelem: That I couldn't understand what you wrote
[22:03] <lool> Couldn't parse it
[22:04] <rbelem> ah!
[22:04] <rbelem> :-D
[22:05] <lool> I dont think it's easy to change a project's name no
[22:05] <rbelem> lool, i mean... i will look for another name. if i wont find a good one, we will use ubuntu-mer-remix
[22:06] <rbelem> ah! ok
[22:06] <lool> Well I dont want to force you guys; you can use MID if you like; I find it's going to cause confusion on the short and long term but it's your project   :-)
[22:08] <rbelem> it is better to avoid this confusion. i will look for another name until tomorrow. 
[22:09] <rbelem> lool, what do you think about our small plan that is in the wiki - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/UbuntuMIDRemix
[22:10] <lool> rbelem: I think it's what I commented on with ian_brasil earlier
[22:16] <rbelem> lool, <lool> You want i386 or armel too? A: i386, lpia and armel
[22:17] <lool> rbelem: Ok; it's not currently possible to get armel in PPAs by default
[22:18] <rbelem> lool, <lool> You can setup team + ppa + seed + meta + livecd-rootfs without me I think    A: yep :-)
[22:18] <rbelem> lool, ok... then for now i386 and lpia for ppa
[22:19] <rbelem> lool, and i can build on my machine armel packages and images
[22:19] <lool> rbelem: BTW if it's built from PPA, you need to name the image "Remix"
[22:19] <lool> Like Ubuntu Foobar Remix
[22:19] <lool> because it's not built from the official ubuntu archive
[22:19] <lool> But you can use Ubuntu Foobar in all technical names
[22:20] <lool> e.g. the team and seed can be named ubuntu-foobar
[22:20] <rbelem> lool, no problem :-)
[22:22] <rbelem> lool, i guess i dont have more questions, but if you have more recommendations... :-)
[22:23] <rbelem> lool, i really want to be a motu too 
[22:24] <lool> That might be a way towards MOTU
[22:24] <rbelem> lool, i tried some years ago, but i spoke english even worse, and was too young
[22:24] <rbelem> cool!
[22:26] <rbelem> lool, thanks for you attention :-) tomorrow i will have some of your recommendations ready