[00:00] pleanty [00:01] :) [00:01] oh it was to fta [00:01] nvm me [00:03] [reed], not much, abp, nightly testers, tab counter, jsview and rikaichan (a japanese dict). everything else is either disabled, or not compatible [00:04] as in not forced === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [00:13] <[reed]> fta: disable everything and try for a day, if you can? [00:14] [reed], well, the web without abp is a horrible place [00:14] LOLOLOL [00:16] <[reed]> fta: ok, leave abp [00:16] <[reed]> I use abp, and I don't see these problems [00:17] [reed], how many tabs to you have? [00:17] <[reed]> ~50 ? [00:17] <[reed]> depends on which machine [00:24] i really think adblock is broken [00:24] i saw a few crashes that had it in the trace [00:25] last one is the one that fta pasted earlier today [00:29] asac, for me it doesn't crash, it's just a pig [00:29] asac: depends on which version [00:29] just restarted ~15min ago, 12% mem, 17% cpu [00:29] that guys keep pumping new ones [00:30] yeah CPU is common [00:30] no idea why it eats so much CPU even with no page opened [00:31] if i strace it, it's mostly zillions of gettimeofday [00:31] we should buy firefox a watch [00:31] LOLOLOLOLOL [00:31] if I wasn't soooo sleepy [00:31] I would redent that and qdb it [01:00] * BUGabundo make bed; make sleep; sleep(6h): wakeonlan( BUGabundo ) [01:05] asac: i have all my changes pushed for m-d 0.16 [03:53] is there a ppa for beta releases for mozilla/ === _Tsk__ is now known as _Tsk_ === _Tsk__ is now known as _Tsk_ === _Tsk__ is now known as _Tsk_ [08:28] morning === asac_ is now known as asac [11:48] av`: what do you think about this patch: http://pastebin.com/f11aa43c3 [11:50] morning bdrung_ [11:50] eagles0513875: morning :) [11:50] bdrung_, does it remove the timeout for? [11:50] hows things up in germany [11:52] av`: this disables the showing of the config dialog on first startup [11:53] bdrung_, do you think disabling it is the right choice? [11:54] I mean if an user don't know how to set it up might get confused? [11:54] av`: yes. it annoys me. [11:54] does it get launched at every ffox startup? [11:54] don't remember [11:55] av`: no only the first one. [11:55] so I don't see any harm in keep having it as it is [11:55] remove your .mozilla directory, run firefox and you will have 100 of windows open [11:56] 100 config dialogs? [11:56] 1000 [11:56] if you have some addons installed [11:57] that's bad [11:58] does it happen wwith mozgest only? [11:58] av`: it's a metaphor [11:59] av`: if you install many addons and then open ff, some addons open a window [12:00] yeah, and why all this is related to mozgest? [12:01] or better in which way [12:01] av`: on the first startup, i will see adblock and mozgest, but the mozgest config is not required [12:02] i think a addon should only pop up on the first startup, if it is really required [12:03] otherwise it annoys [12:04] av`: other example: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481424 [12:04] Debian bug 481424 in audacity "does not respect locales/$LANG" [Normal,Closed] [12:14] bdrung_, what are you able to change into the mozgest config at startup? [12:14] e.g which kind of changes are you allowed / not allowed to do [12:33] has anyone looked at f-spot, just to look at it? it looks like it is a mess it has alot of crap for an extension [12:34] av`: i don't understand your question. [12:34] gnomefreak: i have extended https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Karmic/ExtensionReview [12:35] bdrung_: do you have an example of the rules that has been cleaned so i can do it all at one time [12:35] bdrung_: thanks looking at it [12:36] ah cool [12:36] bdrung_, usually in config dialogs you are able to change some settings [12:36] bdrung_, in mozgest case, which kind of settings are you able to change? [12:37] * asac lunch [12:38] asac: have fun :) [12:38] * eagles0513875 lunch [12:38] hgehe [12:39] av`: the geastures, and with wich button you activate them [12:39] av`: probably the most will live with the default [12:40] bdrung_: if my blood sugur goes up i will do a few. may need to find out what you mean with the install and links files. i dont remember seeing any but that is after email [12:41] gnomefreak: example would be firebug [12:41] bdrung_: ok thanks [12:42] gnomefreak: let me know, if the rules file contains more than the build variable and the includes [12:43] most do IIRC [13:05] he still hasnt pushed sunbird :( [13:13] bdrung_: maybe we should add the misc recommends/depends since lintian gives warning about it? [13:13] i dont recall the full name of it sorry i think its misc:depends [13:14] gnomefreak: it's in the list: "ensure that all binary packages depend on ${misc:Depends}" [13:14] ah i didnt see it. thanks [13:18] back [13:26] asac: sunbird? [13:30] what is the key combo to take a screenshot? [13:31] i can get one of a drop down menu [13:31] gnomefreak: alt+print [13:31] sunbird sponsoring? [13:32] asac: yes on sunbird. you forgot about it last time we talked abou tit (a few days ago) [13:32] i will try alt+print [13:33] alt+print gets rid of the drop down menu too. you know a way to get a screenshot of a dropdown menu that im not aware of? [13:36] gnomefreak: run gnome-screenshot -d 5 [13:36] that gives you a delay of 4 second [13:37] thanks trying it now [13:38] that worked i think :) [13:43] hey asac :) and gnomefreak [13:43] will finish going through the checklist [13:43] cool [13:43] eagles0513875: hi [13:44] * gnomefreak will get to one or 22 today i hope [13:44] one or 2 even [13:44] :) [13:44] well im learning what each thing on the check list on the wiki meanas [13:44] means [13:44] gnomefreak: and btw bdrung_ added somethings to that list [13:44] eagles0513875: i know i sope to him about it. [13:44] ahh ok [13:45] gnomefreak: sope? [13:46] spoke. sorry [13:46] aha [13:47] asac: i like to see m-d 0.16 released soon. with 0.16 we need a extension review, too. if the release is soon, we can merge both reviews. [13:48] when you say test to make sure it works with ff 3.5 means compile and install from source correct [13:48] bdrung_: wouldnt it be better to do it before this review is completed? [13:48] eagles0513875: yes [13:49] what is this package u speak of the devscripts [13:49] m-d = mozilla-devscripts [13:49] i thought so [13:50] stupid question on my part how do i complie an extension for ff [13:50] maybe we should add a menu to the review wiki, but that would need to be set into sections (sorry thinking aloud through fingers) [13:51] dont feel bad i do that as well gnomefreak [13:51] btw if anyone needs to runs todays updates i already have this morning and everythign is still functional even after a reboot [13:53] !aptfix [13:53] If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a » [13:54] ok here is a nasty bug that just surfaced O_O [13:55] strange as can be here O_o [13:55] asac, gnomefreak, eagles0513875 : i have updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Karmic/ExtensionReview [13:55] ok [13:55] has dev scripts 0.16 been released yet? [13:55] bdrung_: thanks ill refresh it when email is done [13:56] thats messed up O_O command line stuff for apt-get and dpkg is broken [13:56] eagles0513875: no, waiting for asac [13:56] ok [13:56] what is wrong with apt and dpkg [13:56] command like keeps telling me that something is using it when i have nothing that is [13:56] then i go to kpackagekit and run the updates from there and it works [13:57] eagles0513875: maybe its update manager running at start up? [13:57] now it works [13:57] after running the updates [13:57] eagles0513875: gnome works fine :) [13:57] that was peculiar [13:58] gnomefreak: how do i know if bindwood installed? [13:58] be back in a few [13:58] eagles0513875: firefox->tools->addons it will promt you when you restart firefox [13:58] s/will/should [13:59] http://pastebin.com/m33378bd8 [13:59] thats the output after running build.sh [14:00] eagles0513875: why do you run build? [14:00] i ran configure.sh then build.sh [14:00] am i missing something [14:00] eagles0513875: is it a debian package? [14:01] no its the branch that i had updated and fixed [14:01] do i need to package it before installing? [14:01] system->pref>startup applications not working is a firefox bug :( i really really wish people would give at least a little thought into thier bug reports [14:02] ok be back ina few [14:02] hehe agreed on that gnome [14:03] eagles0513875: so yes, it is a debian package. to build a package (from a bzr branch) run "bzr bd" [14:04] there was a bzr update today :( not sure but i am getting an error saying unknown command "bd" [14:04] install bzr-buildpackage [14:05] blarg it faild :( [14:05] need to get gnupg setup and my pgp key [14:06] humm i have a problem here [14:06] im not seeing my .gnupg folder [14:08] bdrung_: do we have an ETA on m-d 0.16? [14:10] ya i dont think there is a point in me wasting time atm to package it if it gonna need to be redone with 0.16 [14:10] bdrung: gnomefreak asked bout eta on 0.16 [14:10] eta? [14:11] when wi9ll it be releasd [14:11] damn [14:11] when will it be released [14:11] i only found "ETA, an internet acronym for "edited to add"." [14:11] estimated time of arrival as well [14:11] estimated time of arrival [14:12] gnomefreak: hopefully soon, ask asac (he wants to implement something before release) [14:12] bdrung: asac is getting busy it seems :) [14:12] what happened to the hidden .gnupg folder that one finds in the home folder O_o [14:12] gnomefreak: he could be working on it as we speak [14:13] eagles0513875: there is a command for gnupg that will re make it but dont reall the command [14:13] humm ok [14:14] sorry my low blood sugur is causing me to shake. it should be but i dont recall the command [14:14] its ok gnomefreak go get that sugar back up m8 [14:14] bdrung: do you have any idea [14:15] eagles0513875: if you package it and push it to a branch you can fix it when it is released by keeping target as UNRELEASED and using dch to add it and push to branch again [14:15] eagles0513875: about what? [14:16] on bindwood you still have 2 boxes un marked [14:16] right now i tried to package bindwood gnomefreak but it fails due to it not finding gpg key [14:16] gnomefreak: i know im working on those as we speak [14:16] eagles0513875: ah that would be a good reason. im running updates atm but will see if i have same issue. do you not keep a backup of files ;) [14:16] bdrung: for some reason in my home folder there is no .gnupg folder shoing up :( [14:17] i have the key backed up in me email which i know isnt veery smart since its a private key [14:18] eagles0513875: dunno, why it is gone. [14:18] what the hell :9 what is xpi:provides and is it replacing anything and are we making a provides entry for it and keep * as they are?:depends [14:19] damn. *:depends as they are [14:19] eagles0513875: you have the private key send yourself via email? [14:19] bdrung: ya the file that has it that was in the gnupg folder [14:19] actually i think its the public key the private key is the one i have on lp [14:20] eagles0513875: that's totally insecure [14:20] is the private key what ends up on lp [14:20] or the public key [14:20] eagles0513875: you are not allowed to send the private part into the web [14:20] time to make a new one then [14:20] let me go to lp and disable it then [14:20] eagles0513875: lp has the public part [14:21] ahhh [14:21] bdrung: we should really add notes to this wiki for some of these things (example: the *links/*install im sure im not the only one that doesnt know when to remove them and when not to. maybe we should add a rule for it so we can remove them all the time [14:22] eagles0513875: create a new one, keep the private key private. if you need a backup burn a cd and put it into your safe [14:22] stupidity on my part last time i was doing some bug fixing [14:22] gnomefreak: feel free to improve it [14:24] * gnomefreak will see if i can find out when to keep/remove them im hoping there is a rule for it. other wise we need to find out what is sending it to right place [14:24] ah thats why one failed for me it had xip in build deps :)i had put it aside until i had time to work on it :) [14:25] gnomefreak: xpi:provides is new: http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianMozExtTeam [14:25] !pgp [14:25] gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto and class #8 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts [14:26] gnomefreak: check if extra files are istalled (everything that is not in the xpi) [14:26] k [14:27] for instance in bindwood there are 2 extra files those stay as depends and where it has ${xpi:Depends} that gets moved to recommends :) [14:28] yay i learned something [14:29] if debian packages thier own extensions we nee dto let them know to remove ice* from the name [14:30] ^^^ important if we sync extensions for debian [14:31] random question does the downstream work sometimes find its way back upstream [14:31] eagles0513875: what do you mean? do we push to debian first? [14:32] lets say for instance these changes to the firefox extensions would they ever get pushed upstream after the changes have been made for the ubuntu line [14:32] eagles0513875: yes [14:32] eagles0513875: changes not unless we push them to debian but its not anything atm. bdrung how are we going to deal with that [14:33] kool didnt know that :) [14:33] eagles0513875: get in contact with the debian maintainer and ask if he want to adopt our changes [14:34] you really want me to do that or are you joking around and explaining to me how its done [14:34] maybe file a bug on it? [14:34] eagles0513875: hes not joking [14:34] asac, gnomefreak, eagles0513875 : i have updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Karmic/ExtensionReview again (now with plans for lucid) [14:34] lucid? [14:34] lucid aka 10.04 [14:35] oh its named [14:35] gnomefreak: yes, bug reports [14:35] i totally fell behind [14:36] eagles0513875: file a bug on extension upstream. would be nice if we had a link to it. maybe we should add a box for upstream bugs [14:36] oh i dont like that idea :( [14:37] renaming binaries [14:37] :( [14:37] we remove mozilla/ect* but add xul-ext [14:38] why just for 10.04? [14:39] also how do we find out the latest Standards Version? [14:40] gnomefreak: its in the control file [14:40] eagles0513875: no want to know the latest version. IIRC 3.8.4 was released but dont know how to check. [14:41] saw it in a changes email as i recall [14:41] gnomefreak: http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/debian-policy.html [14:41] thanks bdrung [14:41] we are still at 3.8.3 [14:42] ya seeing that now im trying to remeber where i saw .4 [14:43] im thinking again :( [14:44] maybe we should organize the wiki into rules changes and control changes [14:44] asac, gnomefreak, eagles0513875 : updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Karmic/ExtensionReview again (added explanation) [14:44] gnomefreak: good idea [14:45] you keep changing things ill never get this done :) keep changing as you wish [14:45] i could use a smoke break [14:45] hehe he was only making changes to lucid section lol [14:45] yeah that is what i was asking about above [14:46] gnomefreak: i am finished. it's now your turn [14:46] :) [14:46] * gnomefreak thinks we should be maintainers not the devs. since m-e-d team does the work on them [14:46] we == m-e-t [14:47] if i can remember the code for a menu would be great too that way we can just go to each section since we are getting big [14:47] gnomefreak: what is the difference? [14:47] can i teach gdb to automatically run backtrace when it breaks? [14:48] fta2: ? arent you doing this? [14:48] we keep adding to it it will make moving to * easier [14:48] but i have other things on mind atm [14:48] smoke edit work on stumble [14:48] asac, have a look at chromium [14:50] any quick hints? [14:50] asac: doesnt gdb already do that [14:50] !gdb [14:50] Sorry, I don't know anything about gdb [14:50] asac, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/chromium-browser.head/annotate/head%3A/debian/run-test.sh#L96 [14:50] i cant remember the command to do that [14:50] !info gdb [14:50] gdb (source: gdb): The GNU Debugger. In component main, is optional. Version 6.8.90.20090918-0ubuntu2 (karmic), package size 1942 kB, installed size 4172 kB [14:51] stupid bot lol [14:51] asac: i remember it now you have to run it via the command line for instance gdb -r firefox [14:51] that should run the code through the debugger and get ya a backtrace [14:54] * eagles0513875 starts swearing to myself cuz i cant upload my gnupg key to the keyserver [14:54] is the keyserver down or something [14:55] thats messeed up why on earth does it keep timing out when trying to send me key (talking out loud) [14:56] av`: you do not advocate my patch for mozgest, but could you live with it? [15:02] what is another way i can upload my key to keyserver.ubuntu.com [15:02] cuz it keeps timimng out on me :( [15:07] ok updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Karmic/ExtensionReview just need a place for Use the following: (./) for "DONE" OR {X} for "OUTSTANDING" [15:10] gnomefreak: let me do this [15:10] bdrung: hold on [15:10] bdrung: dont edit it yet [15:10] k [15:11] bdrung: im waiting for it to post my changes when its done ill let you know. not sure why its taking this long [15:11] bdrung: are we using #MOZ_XPI_BUILD_COMMAND = sh build.sh [15:12] bdrung: ok edit your heart out :) [15:14] here i go again with building the bindwood package [15:14] bdrung: which files do i back up in the .gnupg folder [15:14] everythign that is in there? [15:19] how do i give my secret key cuz when i run bzr bd it complains that my secret key isnt available [15:19] then aborts [15:19] eagles0513875: do you have it set in .bashrc? [15:19] O_O no [15:20] gnomefreak: where in bash rc do i add it [15:20] eagles0513875: hold on a sec [15:20] ok [15:20] brb gonna grab a bottle of h2O right quick [15:21] eagles0513875: here is mine http://paste.ubuntu.com/276430/ [15:22] gnomefreak: finished [15:24] bdrung: should add something like push branch to ..... [15:24] eagles0513875: i backuped the complete directory [15:24] bdrung: looking [15:24] gnomefreak: yes [15:25] you want it or shall i do it? [15:26] you can do it [15:26] ok [15:27] pusing stumbleupon [15:28] will build it in a few [15:29] gnomefreak: you should add vcs tags to the list, too [15:29] im having issues with wiki atm [15:29] its not loading [15:30] yes, it's very slow [15:30] bdrung: can you get in the wiki? i cant even bring it up atm [15:30] ah her eit is [15:30] here it [15:30] * bdrung 's pizza is ready. [15:31] gnomefreak: which do i copy everythign that u exported? [15:32] eagles0513875: the gpg part. i cant look right now give me a few minutes. but you still need a .gnupg folder [15:32] i have it now that i craeted a key [15:32] ok when u get a chance [15:33] eagles0513875: it would be good to have lines 19->24 either way. just edit it for your info [15:34] asac: btw i cant build a sid chroot. lenny chroot built fine [15:34] gnomefreak: what if i dont have a deb email like u eagles0513875@ubuntu.com [15:35] eagles0513875: use your email you use for LP [15:36] eagles0513875: become a member and you will get it. but i use that email to sign my changelogs [15:36] ok [15:36] member of what [15:37] gnomefreak: what error are you getting? [15:37] we need to file bugs for 10.04 for these extensions. [15:37] eagles0513875: use a email that will you will have and check forever [15:37] asac: configure failed [15:37] dont need to be @ubuntu.com [15:37] asac: ok :) [15:38] after contributing a while you can become ubuntu member ... which will give you @ubuntu.com address and other goodies [15:38] well that will be in another 2 yrs i think [15:38] 2 years? [15:38] lol once i graduate and get my bsc and hopefully start working [15:38] gnomefreak: configure is unlikely to be different on sid/lenny ... need the error to say for sure [15:38] got this yr then one more yr before i graduate and get my bsc gnomefreak [15:39] asac: ok let try it again. [15:39] eagles0513875: becoming member shouldnt take so long if you actively contribute [15:39] ya asac the problem is finding time this yr for me is jam packed and not gonna be easy [15:40] well. all of us usuall yhave a packed life [15:40] but still find time to contribute and fulfill their commitments [15:40] there might be weeks where you cannot contribute, but in general most come back [15:40] ;) [15:41] well i love linux [15:41] ok its building should be done in ~5-10 minute [15:41] source .bashrc to reload bashrc right [15:43] eagles0513875: it will update itself at least it does for me once i save it and restart term [15:44] i sourced it [15:44] and its still complaining about my secret key not available [15:44] damnit wtf is wrong witht his now :( [15:44] eagles0513875: did you make the .gnupg dir? [15:44] when i created the key it automatically did it [15:45] you are usiong new key in the bd command and in .bashrc? [15:45] ya [15:45] I HATE ZIP/UNZIP [15:46] cant u use tar -xvf to do that [15:46] to unzip and tar -cvf to zip [15:46] ok will fix build error after chroot build [15:46] eagles0513875: no this is for stumbleupon [15:46] unzip: cannot find or open ./, ./.zip or ./.ZIP. :) [15:47] will look at rules later [15:47] O_o [15:47] be back [15:47] gnomefreak: :( ok having issues with my secret key still [15:47] this is getting frustrating [15:50] bdrung: any idea why this thing isnt finding my secret key :( [15:51] eagles0513875: hes at lunch/dinner eating something i want :( [15:51] maybe if i add unzip to control instead of zip [15:51] aww :( [15:51] im getting frustrated with this secret key bs [15:52] nope its zip. but fails with or without zip in b-d [15:53] * eagles0513875 goes back to fuming in the corner about the secret key [15:53] eagles0513875: look at the wiki for gpg [15:53] let me know when you are looking [15:53] ok [15:53] !gpg [15:53] gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto and class #8 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts [15:54] look at the part to show keys what does that give for your key (is it the one you are using)> [15:54] eagles0513875: did you upload new key to key servers? [15:54] ya [15:54] and already confirmed it and the email [15:55] than im not sure sorry [15:55] where would be best i ask then [15:55] asac: im going to eat ill give you error when i get back [15:56] asac: i know ur busy any idea as to my issue [15:56] kk [15:56] eagles0513875: try either/both #bzr since it is the command that is messing up or you can try #gnupg if it is the key itsself. start with bzr [15:56] ok thanks gnomefreak [15:56] ok gone [15:56] eagles0513875: np === mac__v is now known as mac_v [16:01] ahhh asac how can i update the timestamp in the change log :( [16:01] thats the reason that bzr bd is failing [16:14] eagles0513875: i dont think thats the reason [16:14] more likely a diffrerent version or something [16:14] need to see the error [16:15] would this help any bzr bd --uc -us [16:15] nm that command doesnt work [16:18] bzr bd --merge --dont-purge --builder='dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -k764D5E13 -i.bzr' . change to your key. that doesnt work? [16:18] havent tried that hold on this is the error [16:18] asac: now the chroot worked i gues it was a bug that day [16:18]