[01:43] <Flannel> Yay threats
[04:15] <gOLDfeesh> hey may I ask as to why I'm banned?
[04:15] <gOLDfeesh> hey SeaPhor
[04:18] <SeaPhor> can someone here please look and see why gOLDfeesh / afallenhope is banned from #ubuntu?
[04:18] <Pici> gOLDfeesh: It looks like you sent a version request to the channel.
[04:19] <gOLDfeesh> Pici, more than likely on accident.
[04:19] <Pici> gOLDfeesh: I trust you wont do it again?
[04:19] <gOLDfeesh> I was writing an IRC client and I coded something wrong,.. and then it sent a VERSION reply / request I dunno,  to the wrong offset in the packet
[04:20] <Pici> Okay, well next time probably best to test in a channel thats not #ubuntu
[04:20] <Pici> Anyway, ban is removed, have fun.
[04:20] <gOLDfeesh> ty
[04:21] <SeaPhor> gOLDfeesh, let me know  the whole thing  next time ;)
[04:21] <SeaPhor> ty Pici
[04:21] <Pici> np
[04:24] <Pici> !idle
[07:51] <Myrtti> pöö
[08:15] <ikonia> KB1JWQ: do you need anythin ?
[08:15] <Flannel> ikonia: Hmm?
[08:16] <ikonia> never mind I'm being stupid
[08:16] <Flannel> ikonia: Heh
[08:16] <ikonia> for some reason he was showing up with -v
[08:16] <jussi01> ikonia: not here....
[08:16]  * jussi01 shrugs
[08:16] <ikonia> I don't see a + next to him
[08:17] <ikonia> looks like irssi needs another restart, sorry KB1JWQ
[08:17] <jussi01> ikonia: your client is messedup
[08:17] <jussi01> :)
[08:17] <ikonia> irssi does go messy from time to time
[08:20] <Myrtti> I see tobeno1 is here again
[08:21] <ikonia> who is he ?
[08:21] <Myrtti> IIRC someone you've banned for running bots
[08:21] <Myrtti> yup
[08:21] <Myrtti> or the ip
[08:24] <Myrtti> wohey, last day of antibiotics
[08:25] <elky> are the holes better yet?
[08:26] <KB1JWQ> ikonia: Yeah, I'm here because I enjoy the scintillating conversation. :-p
[08:27] <Myrtti> the belly button looks awful still, but not as awful than before. No discharge
[08:27] <jussi01> Myrtti: does that mean you are coming to visit me?
[08:27] <jussi01> :D
[08:28] <Myrtti> jussi01: I don't know, I just realised I promised last week to go visit mum again before I fly out :-/
[08:29] <Myrtti> she's going to be heartbroken again...
[08:54] <Myrtti> there is no mac emulator, right?
[08:54] <Flannel> Myrtti: Not that I'm aware of
[08:55] <ikonia> KB1JWQ: sorry
[08:55] <KB1JWQ> ikonia: I'll live. :-p
[08:56] <KB1JWQ> So no worries.
[08:56] <ikonia> Myrtti: that same guy again then
[08:57] <ikonia> Myrtti: as I recall nal klined him
[08:58] <KB1JWQ> Who's this?
[08:58] <KB1JWQ> And where is he? :-)
[08:59] <ikonia> tobeno1:
[08:59] <ikonia> it's the same guy again as he's in the same channels as he was before
[08:59] <Myrtti> is he running them again?
[09:00] <ikonia> no idea
[09:01] <ikonia> I'd speak to nalioth if he's available as he did a ton more effort /investigfation
[09:01] <jussi01> ok, who here has good grep foo?
[09:01] <Flannel> !anyone | jussi01
[09:01]  * Flannel hides
[09:01] <jussi01> /abrn Flannel
[09:02] <jussi01> I need to grep for a string inside all the files in a certain folder and its subfolders.
[09:03] <Flannel> grep -R string /path/to/folder
[09:03] <Myrtti> sudo aptitude install zsh;grep string */**/*; :-P
[09:03] <Myrtti> ZSH TO WORLD DOMINATION!
[09:14] <KB1JWQ> Hey!
[09:14] <KB1JWQ> That'd work in bash 4.0!
[09:14] <KB1JWQ> But yeah, Flannel had it right. :-)
[09:14] <KB1JWQ> You can also use find, but that's convoluted.
[09:15] <Myrtti> I hate the logo and the name
[09:15] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[09:18] <KB1JWQ> Ugh.  We're pimping that site now?
[09:19] <Flannel> I don't see any reason to
[09:19] <Flannel> !system76
[09:20] <Myrtti> please elaborate on -irc
[12:45] <topyli> @mark Enflamed greets channel with "fuck, school, c ya later" before leaving
[12:46] <jpds> topyli: That's just his opening gambit.
[12:46] <bazhang> good idea to use @mark #channel nick
[12:46] <topyli> combined gambit/engame
[12:47] <topyli> bazhang: oh yes left out the channel
[12:47] <topyli> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic Enflamed greets channel with "fuck, school, c ya later" before leaving
[12:48] <topyli> sneaky anyway
[13:05] <Pici> jussi01: I was just about to do that
[13:05] <Pici> and jdong's trigger sucks
[13:05] <jussi01> why doesnt the council have access there?
[13:05]  * Pici shrugs
[13:06] <Pici> Its always been #uf does what they want
[13:06] <Pici> But that guy's statement crosses the line for me
[13:06] <jussi01> me also
[13:09] <Myrtti> how come I have the feeling he's been a troublemaker before
[13:09] <jussi01> no idea, but I do wish some of the forums ops were awake
[13:11] <Pici> I mean, I could try asking for access there... but I'm not sure that would end well.
[13:16] <bazhang> ahh bizkit from club-etc
[13:16] <Pici> ugh
[13:16] <bazhang> uber-troll deluxe
[13:23] <Myrtti> meh lag
[13:51] <bazhang>  /k indus
[13:51] <bazhang> indus, hi
[13:51] <Pici> Hi
[13:52] <indus> hey
[13:52] <Pici> I asked indus to join instead of furthering the offtopic conversation in #ubuntu
[13:52] <indus> ya i understand the best part was only my opinion
[13:52] <indus> ya sorry i should have
[13:52] <indus> but nothing to discuss, i agree with your point
[13:52] <bazhang> please don't argue when asked to stop.
[13:53] <indus> ya i did
[13:53] <indus> or maybe argue in the ops channel
[13:53] <Pici> Theres no harm in asking someone to join you in a conversation in #ubuntu-offtopic.  We like to keep the support and non-support topics separate here.
[13:54] <indus> ya i know, sorry for that one, but ....
[13:54] <indus> nvm
[13:54] <Pici> No, continue, please.
[13:54] <indus> aah off topic no
[13:54] <indus> my head is actually spinning now
[13:55] <Pici> Is there something thats confusing you specifically?
[13:55] <indus> no i thought iwas listing the browser choices to that user , isnt that fine?
[13:55] <indus> with some info on each
[13:55] <bazhang> there is a factoid for that
[13:55] <indus> ok
[13:56] <indus> ill use it
[13:56] <indus> cant remember all things at once
[13:56] <indus> i do use it , but need to keep watching which ones are factoids
[13:56] <Pici> indus: I keep a query open with ubottu at all times to test factoids before using them in channel.
[13:56] <Myrtti> there's a thing with telling the choices
[13:56] <indus> anyways on another note, i wanted to change a factoid
[13:56] <Pici> I have a good memory, but not *that* good
[13:57] <Myrtti> and it's a totally different thing to push a preference
[13:57] <indus> ok 3 ops iam only one person, cant argue with all
[13:57] <Pici> indus: We're not arguing.
[13:57] <indus> i prefer if pici or bazhang talk,
[13:57] <bazhang> ?
[13:58] <indus> ok i gtg now please
[13:58] <indus> how do i point to ops to revise a factoid
[13:59] <indus> hello?
[13:59] <indus> anyone?
[13:59] <Myrtti> the same way you suggest one
[13:59] <indus> !apt
[14:00] <indus> didnt get that
[14:00] <Myrtti> which part?
[14:00] <bazhang> indus, check the usage at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[14:00] <MenZa> indus: Send !fact is <reply> Whatever you want to say about that factoid to ubottu in a query, it's forwarded here, and we take care of it from there, should any action be necessary. Also, check the link bazhang posted.
[14:01] <indus> !fact is hello
[14:01] <indus> oops
[14:01] <MenZa> indus: The link should describe it better. Have a look there.
[14:01] <indus> sorry if that was intrusive
[14:02] <indus> ok i kinda get it now, had a factoid to revise(suggest) but didnt know this and dont remember which one now
[14:02] <indus> ok can i leave now?
[14:02] <bazhang> thanks for joining
[14:02] <indus> thanks for having me
[14:02]  * indus says have a nice day
[14:03] <elky> kids, can we please not all jump in at once?
[14:04] <Pici> Agreed. We've had a few people comment that they feel ganged up on when more than one or two of us start talking at once.
[14:04] <MenZa> Yeah, that was a bit too much.
[14:06] <elky> and ask permission in PM of the original op first
[14:06] <bazhang> my apologies
[14:06] <Pici> bazhang: No need
[14:06]  * Myrtti slinks to the cave
[14:07] <bazhang> Pici, okay; I will be more mindful of elky 's suggestion next time though
[14:08] <MenZa> hmm, !op appears to be an alias for <exc>ops - some people might think !op could be the trigger to call in an op to help with, you know, Ubuntu issues. Have we had any issues with people mistakingly calling in the ops using that trigger?
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[14:09] <Myrtti> !
[14:09] <elky> exclamation mark
[14:09] <Pici> oh
[14:09] <Myrtti> MenZa: they always do that with ops too
[14:09] <MenZa> I didn't feel like higlighting everyone with that set as a hilight.
[14:09] <MenZa> (myself included)
[14:09] <Myrtti> not too often though
[14:09] <Pici> MenZa: We really don't get that many false positives.
[14:09] <bazhang> aaron11 in once in a while
[14:10] <bazhang> -in
[14:10] <Pici> +in
[14:10] <Pici> Anyway, hes a special case.
[14:10] <elky> it's not like it's a burden to have it there just in case
[14:11] <MenZa> point
[14:11] <Pici> I have <exc>ops (:P) on hilight, and one of the non-ubuntu channels I'm in has it as a factoid to explain something about the channel ops.. so annoying.
[14:11] <elky> heh
[14:11] <elky> anyway, im off for an early night
[14:11] <MenZa> Pici: heh
[14:12] <Pici> elky: goodnight
[14:12] <ikonia> night elky
[14:12] <MenZa> nini, elky o/
[14:12] <Pici> its #linode by the way
[14:12] <bazhang> g'night elky
[14:13] <MenZa> Pici: I instantly notice it if it's triggered anywhere for me. Bright green on a rather dull, grey irssi setup. False alarms are a bit... *growl*
[16:51] <Myrtti> yay, we have nursery and a daycare at -offtopic!
[17:42] <jpds> Might of been a bit harsh there but, whatever.
[17:42] <MenZa> Not really
[17:42] <MenZa> That was breaking pretty much every single rule of the IrcGuidelines
[17:43] <MenZa> (That was quick, btw)
[17:44] <Pici> I think its something that should be followed up in pm or ops though.
[17:44] <MenZa> I concur.
[17:44] <MenZa> I would, but I don't have access to #ubuntu
[17:47] <MenZa> Is anyone following up on this?
[17:47] <MenZa> Pici, jpds?
[17:47] <Pici> Its jpds's ban.
[17:47] <Pici> Also, am I lagging or has nothing been said in #ubuntu for the past 5 minutes?
[17:48] <Pici> oh, nevermind.
[17:52] <gord> the deaded "forgot to page down" strikes again :P
[17:52] <gord> dreaded*
[17:52] <jpds> gord: '/sb end' FTW
[17:52] <MenZa> gord: no, noone had spoken for quite a while :p
[18:40] <Myrtti> I've had a bad day today, and it just might be that I'll end up slapping that Ashhhh guy so hard he'll be searching his keyboard keys from Alaska
[18:40]  * MenZa hands Myrtti a coffee with a pinch of rum.
[18:42]  * Myrtti twitches, hard
[18:42] <Myrtti> make it go away!
[18:44] <MenZa> now now, Myrtti
[18:44] <MenZa> let's not get nasty
[18:44]  * Myrtti hides
[18:44] <MenZa> ignore -ot for a while, and it'll all go away and we can all be happy and cheery again.
[18:46]  * genii steals the rum-coffee
[18:46] <MenZa> :o
[18:46] <MenZa> lucky genii.
[18:46]  * MenZa wants one :(
[18:47]  * MenZa must... resist... /csremove...
[18:53]  * MenZa twitches slightly, mouth frothing on one side.
[18:54] <Myrtti> my brain is going to ooze out my ear in attempt to escape this stupidity
[18:55]  * genii stuffs it back in and puts a Bandaid over it
[19:10] <Myrtti> have we had enough?
[19:10] <MenZa> I am starting to think so.
[19:10] <MenZa> I have, several times, typed out /remove, but then backspaced.
[19:10] <MenZa> Referring him to bash, if he doesn't go there or returns and whines about their lack of helpfulness, well.
[19:11] <Myrtti> he's mocking my trade!
[19:11] <Myrtti> ARRRGGGHGHGHGHGHGHGHG
[19:11]  * Myrtti cries
[19:12] <Pici> MenZa: thanks, I was just about to do that.
[19:12]  * MenZa bows.
[19:13] <MenZa> /csremove is a wonderful alias.
[19:13] <Pici> for the 'omfg'
[19:13] <Pici> ♥
[19:13] <Myrtti> oh noes, it knows /join
[19:13] <Myrtti> I had to
[19:14] <Myrtti> sorry
[19:14] <MenZa> indeed, Pici
[19:14] <Myrtti> oh lord I needed that
[19:15] <Myrtti> I wonder what the neighbours thing
[19:15] <Myrtti> think
[19:15] <MenZa> :D
[19:16] <Myrtti> oh god, I'm really LOLing here
[19:16] <Myrtti> if I had the guinea pigs still, they'd be staring
[19:17] <MenZa> Beat me there, Pici. <___<
[19:17] <Pici> MenZa: I do live in the factoid factory after all
[19:18] <MenZa> indeed.
[19:24]  * Myrtti goes pre-emptively away
[19:24] <MenZa> Ashhh, you have repeatedly been asked to stop swearing in channel, and yet you refuse to listen.
[19:25] <Ashhh> I didn't swear
[19:25] <MenZa> [20:21:41] <Pici> Ashhh: Seriously. the nice language rule extends to those acronyms you love to use.
[19:25] <MenZa> "OMFG" counts as swearing, and you were told this on several (I count three) occassions.
[19:26] <Ashhh> oh
[19:26] <Ashhh> lol
[19:26] <Ashhh> :)
[19:26] <MenZa> It doesn't seem to me like you're really absorbing what we're saying.
[19:26] <MenZa> Which is why I've sent you in here so we can discuss this in a more, uh, quiet setting.
[19:27] <Ashhh> I didn't understand that line
[19:27] <Ashhh> that's why
[19:27] <Ashhh> :/
[19:27] <MenZa> What do you mean by "didn't understand"?
[19:27] <Ashhh> like
[19:27] <Pici> I think he means he didn't understand what I said so he ignored it.
[19:27] <Abarle> uhm, wrong nick
[19:28] <Ashhh> didn't know what it meant
[19:28] <Ashhh> no, didn't ignore it
[19:28]  * Abarle rolls eyes at himself
[19:30] <MenZa> Ashhh: One moment please.
[19:32] <MenZa> Ashhh: All of Ubuntu-related channels are frequented by people from all cultures and all age groups, and some are more easily offended than others.
[19:32] <MenZa> Ashhh: Therefore, our IRC guidelines state that swearing is stricly-prohibited, as it is never really a means to get you anywhere.
[19:32] <Ashhh> :)
[19:33] <Ashhh> kk
[19:33] <MenZa> Ashhh: We're trying to make IRC'ing on Ubuntu's channels a nice experience for everyone, so the community has established some pretty straight-forward rules to follow
[19:33] <Ashhh> I will not swear anymore
[19:33] <Ashhh> and I think I'm done with the idiotic attitute
[19:33] <Ashhh> lol
[19:33] <MenZa> Sounds good.
[19:33]  * Ashhh hugs MenZa.
[19:34] <MenZa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines <- The IRC guidelines are here, should you have any doubts. If you do have any, feel free to ask. I'm always around to /query, and if not, someone should be around you can ask.
[19:34] <MenZa> I'll remove your ban now. Please be nice. :)
[19:34] <Ashhh> kk
[19:34] <Ashhh> will do.
[19:35] <MenZa> You can leave now :)
[19:35] <MenZa> (and re-join #ubuntu-offtopic)
[19:35] <Ashhh> whoo
[19:35] <Ashhh> :D
[19:35] <MenZa> That went pretty smoothly
[19:35]  * MenZa will be watching.
[19:35] <Pici> By the way, I've got a report that he might be up to something, so best to keep our eyes on him in the future.
[19:36] <MenZa> How does the @mark command work? Anything we could store in there?
[19:36] <Pici> @help mark
[19:37] <Pici> MenZa: It'll grab the log from the channel its used to in and stick that in the bantracker event.
[19:37] <MenZa> I see
[19:38] <Pici> ikonia: he was complaining in another channel about getting banned in -offtopic
[19:39] <ikonia> okey dokey
[19:39] <Pici> Apparently that channel may have caused some issues a few days ago.
[19:44] <MenZa> That was not my intention. <__<;
[20:39] <Myrtti> meh
[20:39] <Myrtti> he's back :-(
[20:43] <ikonia> who is ?
[20:43] <Myrtti> ashhh
[20:52] <jpds> Da da da dum.
[22:39] <LjL> #uf ops wanted
[22:40] <LjL> well nevermind, dealt with, but i can obviously confirm it was concerted trolling.
[22:56] <ikonia> the arhclinux guys are troll plotting
[22:56] <ikonia> I've got it logged
[23:11] <jpds> Quite.
[23:12] <ikonia> thank yoiu jpds
[23:12] <tomaw> hrm
[23:12] <tomaw> I've had reports of problems in #archlinux-offtopic previously
[23:12] <nalioth> why am i not surprised . .
[23:13] <tomaw> and when I look at my logs of the evening they're discussing renewing IP addresses and/or getting gpg-tor ilines registered to evade bans
[23:13] <nalioth> dvinchi____ is in #surpremos
[23:13] <tomaw> yeah, I groaned when I saw that too
[23:13] <ikonia> tomaw: I had logs for this, I was just packing it all up to submit to the council
[23:14] <ikonia> as in ubuntu irc council to submit to freenode
[23:22] <tomaw> ikonia: so, what do you know about these curious people?
[23:23] <ikonia> tomaw: long time set of trolls, sit in the channel discussing how to be a problem for various #ubuntu-$X channels, do it, get banned then discuss how much fun it was
[23:23] <ikonia> the last incident you just caught was for #ubuntuforums
[23:23] <tomaw> who're the people mostly involved?
[23:24] <ikonia> bruenig wizzard, frogobogo couple of others
[23:24] <ikonia> got some notes in BT
[23:24] <ikonia> which I'll dig out and send to the council in a nice package
[23:24] <tomaw> thewizord is the person that stands out most currently
[23:25] <ikonia> he's one of the core ones,
[23:27] <dragon> !gnewsense
[23:27] <dragon> shouldn't we be referring users to gobuntu instead of gnewsense?
[23:27] <dragon> given that goubuntu is supported by canonical, and gnewsense by two developers
[23:27] <jpds> !gobuntu
[23:28] <ikonia> dragon: no
[23:28] <jpds> dragon: It's dead.
[23:28] <Flannel> dragon: No, gobuntu is deprecated in favor of gnewsense
[23:28] <jpds> Flannel: No.
[23:28] <ikonia> dragon: gnewsense references gnuewsense
[23:28] <Flannel> jpds: I believe so, let me... see if I can find that documentation
[23:28] <jpds> Flannel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gobuntu
[23:30] <dragon> ikonia: For those looking for completely "free software", we should be telling them about how Ubuntu could be use to achieve that, instead of pointing them to external websites.
[23:31] <ikonia> why ? there is no problem with gnewsense
[23:31] <dragon> jpds: Ubuntu wiki reads "The new "Free software only" installation option in the normal Ubuntu (press F6 in the boot menu twice) basically achieves what Gobuntu is aiming for, as long as the general goal of having "clean" main and universe repositories is fulfilled (which is goal of the Ubuntu as a whole)."
[23:31] <Flannel> jpds: Ah, it's still depreciated.  Wonder where I heard about gnewsense
[23:31] <dragon> ikonia: I see a problem that it's supported by only two developers.
[23:31] <jpds> dragon: Yes.
[23:31] <ikonia> that's not our problem though, if someone choses to use it or not is not our decision to make
[23:32] <dragon> ikonia: we should still be guiding them towards gobuntu - perhaps by mentioning !gobuntu in !gnewsense
[23:32] <dragon> !windows
[23:32] <ikonia> it was a user who mentioned it -
[23:32] <jpds> Why guide them towards something that's dead?
[23:32] <Flannel> dragon: gobuntu is dead
[23:33] <dragon> Flannel: right, we should then tell users that they can achieve the "gobuntu effect" within Ubuntu - they don't *have to* use gnewsense
[23:33] <nalioth> dragon: gnewsense is supported by the same devs as debian and ubuntu
[23:34] <ikonia> dragon: does it matter??? he was given a legitimate answer, that's why the factoid is there
[23:34] <tomaw> ikonia: I removed thewizord but expect him to evade.  please keep me in the loop with problems from there and I'll chase it with their GC/whatever
[23:35] <ikonia> tomaw: sure, thank you
[23:35] <dragon> nalioth: that's a good thing, but still..
[23:35] <Flannel> The factoids could probably be updated to inform about options as well, more knowledge is better than less.
[23:36] <dragon> ikonia: i only wanted to give a clear picture to users who don't realize that Ubuntu can be used in "free" mode
[23:36] <Flannel> well, no, ignore that second clause.
[23:36] <dragon> !gobuntu
[23:36] <ikonia> dragon: ubuntu can be used in freemode - just don't install the closed packges
[23:36] <dragon> this one needs to be fixed too
[23:36] <dragon> ikonia: some users fail to realize that
[23:37] <dragon> and probably that's why gobuntu ever existed
[23:37] <ikonia> dragon: if they know they don't want closed source products - they know not to install them
[23:38] <ikonia> +KmilazO in #ubuntu recuriting/inviting users to his channel
[23:38] <ikonia> trying to resolve now
[23:39] <ikonia> looks like the same peron I banned for flooding earlier
[23:40] <dragon> gnewsense factoid doesn't really matter, except for it's hard to trust that a small developer team will be able to support it is the long run
[23:40] <dragon> probably gobuntu factoid can carry a bit more relevant info
[23:41] <dragon> rest is good i guess
[23:41] <dragon> ttyl folks
[23:42] <ikonia> confirmed he is the same guy I banned earlier
[23:42] <ikonia> I've now banned to the two ip's / nicks he was using
[23:42] <tomaw> what was the other?
[23:43] <ikonia> KmilazO
[23:43] <ikonia> ubunteate_este
[23:43] <ikonia> ubunteate_este just became ][FABIAN][
[23:44] <ikonia> gents, I'm going to bed (and ladies)
[23:45] <Pici> goodnight ikonia
[23:47]  * nalioth loves how people just don't listen