[01:01] can't tell if i'm signd in to xubuntu .. i see a userlist, but no chatter [01:01] could it just be quiet [01:02] TheSheep: am i 'live'? [01:03] :) [04:01] anyone tried installing xubuntu or any other linux on older apple desktops? [05:14] I'm about to head off to trade school to learn to make videogames (or not). I'm determined to remain committed to Libre Software. Does anybody have any advice for me? Does anybody know about Full Sail University? [05:14] Does Canonical have any ties (at all) to Full Sail? [05:15] probably not [05:33] hey techie i got it all done!!! [05:33] sweet [05:33] how are you liking buntu? [05:33] love it [05:34] took 6 hours due to 349 updates [05:34] hehe, i cant update atm.... im almost out of bandwidth [05:34] so im stuck running 8.10 [05:34] lirerally saved a dead useless 11 yeard old dell [05:34] yeah [05:35] you got a music collection on another computer? [05:35] if so you can install firefly media server and stream it using songbird [05:35] when i put the 8.10 in it offered 9.04, but the folks on here said do the 349 updates 1sr then do 9.04 if i want it so i did that and still havent done the 9.04 [05:35] kk [05:36] i got that altec lansing speaker setup wit a big sub woofer... [05:36] i have 340 updates waiting [05:36] how big? [05:37] i would of thoought simply doing 9.04 would take care of all those/ [05:37] how big is your woofer? [05:38] i dont know..maybe a foot and a half acrooss just fills the whole house with sound [05:38] 3 speaker system [05:38] cool [05:38] i got a custom 2.1 setup [05:39] yeah i play you tube rock videos and play alongwith my elec guitar [05:39] logitech? [05:39] nah [05:39] the left and right speakers are running off of a yamaha home theatre AMP [05:39] i really dont know how good mine is but i can crank it all the way it doesnt crackle stays clear and LOUD [05:39] and my woofer runs its own amp from the yamahas output [05:40] i got the turtle beach montegeo sound card in the computer also when i bought it [05:41] sounds like yours is even more powerful [05:42] so now i want to burn xubuntu on a disc for my next project but all i have is dvds will it burn a cd on a dvd [05:42] yeah, you can burn a cd iso to a DVD providing you have a dvd burner [05:42] kind of a waste though [05:43] a 4.7gig disc with only 700mb on it [05:43] yeah i know...says cd burner on this puter [05:43] have to a cd [05:44] i want to buy one of those weird lookin g4 desktops and put xubuntu in it [05:44] hey, what IRC client are you using? [05:44] web chat frenode net [05:44] you gotta remember if you go for a G4 you need to get the ppc version [05:44] whats that [05:44] you should download and install xchat [05:45] so it is easier to chat? [05:45] thats the version required to run on computers that use the powerpc architecture [05:45] yeah [05:45] hit alt+F2 [05:45] so how did i do this [05:45] and type sudo apt-get install xchat [05:46] and run it in a terminal [05:46] but right now i am on a computer i dont own so i cant [05:46] can do it on my dell sometime [05:46] oh, your at work [05:46] im a student [05:46] so im home earlier [05:47] no...my old dell is in the basemnet too many wires...when the wife brings the lapper home is use it upstairs-wireless [05:47] gets cold down there....spent 6 hours fixing the dell took a break [05:48] nice up here in the living room on this wireless mac [05:48] hehe [05:49] is the dell a laptop or desktop? [05:49] desktop [05:49] aah [05:49] got it aug of 1998 from dell [05:50] if you find a free powerpoint in a corner you could run it upstairs [05:50] whats that [05:50] a wall socket [05:50] a power outlet [05:50] the dell you mean [05:50] yeah [05:51] find somewhere out of the way up against a wall then all the cables are hidden behind the computer [05:51] yeah but it hard wired in wires all over heck speakers allkingf stuff printer wires...big mess [05:51] then dust gets all over all the wires...i just like alpper up[ here [05:52] old big dumb lookin monitor [05:52] and it is white? and got dingy over the years [05:52] now its like kinda turned tan [05:52] hehe [05:53] i see those funky g4 mac desktops real cheap on the net ill bet they run linux better than my dell [05:53] they are from2002 mine is 1998 [05:53] yep [05:54] but you have to be careful about some of them [05:54] ? [05:54] get a slot loader rather than a tray loader [05:54] ? [05:54] the original ones had a tray loading cd drive like a regular computer [05:55] dont get one of those ones [05:55] these have the weird round ones with the monitor on top [05:55] brb [05:55] you mean the ones that look like an old tv [05:55] yeah [05:55] the jellybeans [05:55] yep i dont want those [05:56] i want to do xubumtu next less footprint and supposedely does same stuff [05:57] yeah [05:57] hey i found a guy with my exact same puter for sell for 59 bucks [05:57] prolly take 25 noone is buyin it [05:58] on ebay [05:58] type in dell xps r400 [05:58] that is my tower [05:58] but his is 8.4 g HD mine is 10 [05:58] and i put way more ram n [05:58] free shipping too [06:00] just thinking if you wanted to be really tricky you could set up ssh with X forwarding and access your dell from the mac [06:00] see your a real tech i dont know anyting about that [06:00] hehe, im not a real tech, im still learning [06:01] yeah but you fre inet i want to leran that sometime [06:01] learn thea ausralia stuff i mean [06:01] lol, its not actually that hard [06:01] its simply a secure tunnel [06:02] so i can also get a whole bunch of free dells where i work [06:02] business puters [06:03] they give em away if you get a letter from a non proft business [06:03] saw a guy haul 30 of em out yesterday [06:03] cool [06:04] maybe they do it where you live,,,do yu know abot this [06:04] nope [06:04] heres how it works [06:04] big corps but hundreds even thousands of dells at a time [06:05] kk [06:05] after4-5 yrs they prefer to dump some of them indtead of upgrading so if you conmtact them they will have a policy...you get a letter from a non prift stating they want them [06:06] but the nn profit will give you some for getting them in fsct they dont usually want any cause hte need OS'sc [06:07] they dont know how to put in the OS [06:07] that is wheer free linux comes in [06:07] see the big corp wipes em clean of windows when they get rid iof em [06:07] yep [06:08] then the bog corp wites them off their taxes [06:08] so i tried calling a local non proft i told i neede the letter they said they would give me the letter but they dont want old comouter with no OS [06:09] occasionally schools around here do that sort of thing, but its more of knowing the tech than a letter [06:09] cause they dont want to spen money buying windows and other stuu like word [06:09] yes same idea [06:09] but unfortunately none of the schools will be upgrading soon [06:10] my school upgraded half way through last year [06:10] try big companies [06:10] big companies dont run through public domain around here [06:10] they all get sold off privately [06:10] i see [06:11] hrmm, what machines are you able to get? [06:11] im not interested in the whole machine, just the motherboard [06:11] this place near me has 900 employees and at least a couple thousand dells in 3 buildings [06:12] they are dell business puters gray color isee them all over ebay because they are doing the same thing i may do [06:12] if you type in dell computer and nothing else they come up 1st on ebay [06:13] kinda bland looking but tough as heck [06:13] gsx's i think they were called [06:14] i use em all day at work they run xp pro real well and will be like a jet with ubuntu [06:14] im looking for a new motherboard to replace my outdated one [06:14] infact some of the engineer in htere use unix or liniux [06:14] i am ust getting into this when i get my 1st batch i find you in here [06:15] kk [06:15] give you them [06:15] like i say this guy i work got 30 [06:15] im always interested in parts and hard drives [06:15] his were complete monitor key mouse but no OS [06:16] i have enough monitors, mice and keyboards [06:16] and i usually run my systems headless or without input [06:19] ill get you a mboard or two you teach met the tunnel trick [06:22] note to self: be careful when choosing output video settings for mplayer, it may crash X [06:24] omg, my buntu intsall is going bad [06:24] no way [06:24] yes way [06:24] how doe s that happen [06:25] it happens when windows dont open with a window manager [06:25] so you still have windows [06:25] and therefore they have no title bar which means you cant resize them or close them [06:27] this mac osx 10.4.11 is smooottthhh [06:27] hehe, im running that version on my powerbook [06:27] however im running server edition [06:28] so good is actually boring [06:28] runs the same everyday no tinkering [06:31] hey i got an idea...ubuntu is non profit if they get me the letter i fiil my garage with computers and unbuntu people can have em for free and ill kepp on ehere and there to fool arooung with [06:33] (whew poor typing skills here) [06:34] i reckon that could work [06:35] look around for your local LUG (linux users group) [06:35] i'll email ubuntu or linux [06:35] problem the people would have to pay shipping [06:36] yeah, but thats cheaper than buying a pc [06:37] but i bet sometime someone would pay shipping and get a bad one [06:37] so i ship another one! [06:38] they are tough though they never turn em off for years [06:38] optiplex and gsx stuff like that [06:51] welcome nikolam [06:56] when i was doing my install for awhile it was kinda like in DOS or something (black screen) and it flashed some words like "failed bios 1998 ctoff date 2000" any idea what that means [06:56] 1998 cutoff i meant [06:57] made me think i should update my bios or something [06:57] 'you into thats tuff techie [06:58] sorta [06:58] i know stuff about bioses, how to configure them etc but i dont really specialise in them [06:59] i know i never updated it...since 1998 so i wonder if that would help my new ubuntu run better [07:02] probably not [07:02] you can if you want to [07:03] well i dont know how dell will do it though [07:03] i dont want to mess with it if is no big deal though [07:05] heya SiDi [07:06] hi [07:09] does that friefly media sonbird thing take up a lot of space on my lil 10g HD techie? [07:09] nope [07:09] ever used itunes music sharing? [07:09] cause when i was done i noticed i had used up 2.9 out 10 on my HD [07:10] for 8.10 and 349 updates [07:10] now i see xubuntu is only like 1.5 [07:10] wondering why i didnt do that one [07:11] brb, gonna jump on my laptop [07:11] yup === techie is now known as Techie-LAPTOP [07:17] another thing ubuntu improved here...is now i can get cable internet. they would not put it in my house unless i upgraded away frm w98 [07:24] techie, hello :) thanks [07:24] okay im back, on my mac [07:26] what kinda man is it [07:26] mac* [07:26] PowerBook G4 [07:26] this is ibook g4 [07:27] is it one of those aluminum ones [07:27] yep [07:27] how bis is the motor [07:28] big* [07:28] 15 i think [07:28] ever run the new snow leopard [07:29] nope, i dont have a chance in hell of running leopard [07:29] its a 400mhz cpu [07:30] i would stick linux on it but i need to get the old versions [07:30] actually that might be something for me to do [07:31] i think i migght have an old 7.04 cd around somewhere [07:31] cant you put xubuntu on it [07:31] yeah, but the graphics folds on anything recent [07:32] cause my dell is 400mgz with ubuntu [07:32] 8.10 [07:32] yeah, but it probably has some form of graphics card [07:32] 'this thing has a measly 8mb card [07:33] ypu a realllly old one ati xpert 98d 8mb 3d 2x agp [07:34] same 8mb as yours? [07:34] so we have the same 400 and same 8mb [07:38] im on my desktop now [07:38] i wonder if i can stuff a bigger graphic in my dell [07:38] bugger, i just realised im outta cd's that blows that plan out the window [07:38] if its standard agp then yes [07:38] maybe a lil 128 [07:39] i ahve my original invoice in front of me and the books [07:39] okay, brb gonna try Xubuntu 7.10 [07:39] k [07:42] taht disc didnt work [07:45] im booting into windows [09:02] hello [09:02] http://imgh.us/opera_menu_scrolling.jpg [09:04] i have this little problem with my two opera installations. their menu style is different, in opera 10, i need to click on each item to select it, and the mouse doesn't hightlight items when i hover them. i haven't been able to discover how to change this [09:05] i also don't know how this is called, either in english or french, so it's hard to search on search engines :) [09:16] was there an answer to my question, i got disconnected [09:16] ? === techie_ is now known as Techie [09:28] i reckon im gonna have to re install ubuntu next month [09:29] and on top of that ill also have to track down a version of xubuntu for my laptop [12:28] <_angelo_> hello folks, I'm using xubuntu 9.04, from last update X won't start, in gdm's log file there's a message about MTRR [12:28] <_angelo_> anyone can help me? [12:29] <_angelo_> I have searched launchpad and google about it but didnt help [12:36] Hi Guys how can I set up a network folder on Xubuntu?? [13:13] !sshfs | sixnonep [13:13] sixnonep: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS [13:13] sixnonep: or do you mean the windows variety? [13:15] Well, I'm using Gnome on one box and XCFE on a lower spec box. Gnome has a "network" folder under places in the GUI, was wondering if I can install that on Xbuntu. === jcfp is now known as Guest65348 === Guest65348 is now known as jcfp` === jcfp` is now known as jcfp [14:11] hello [16:14] Bonjour! [16:38] hi, there is an "standard" file in /etc/modprobe.d/ for custom options? [17:59] <_angelo_> hello! I'm using xubuntu 9.04, from last update xfce4 doesnt start, I see only a blue screen and a mouse pointer...I have searched launchpad but didnt help [17:59] <_angelo_> anyone knows something about that? [18:00] <_angelo_> I can provide more information if necessary [18:01] the race condition is back? :( [18:14] Try this, _angelo_ : http://www.anujpathania.blogspot.com/2008/06/xubuntu-panels-disappear.html [18:15] <_angelo_> likemindead, I will try - thanks [18:18] hi there, can anyone help me? [18:20] unfortunately we ran out of batteries in our crystal ball, so we can't help you unless you tell us what's wrong [18:20] just ask a question, and if anybody knows, they will answer [18:20] <_angelo_> likemindead, it doesnt help...I cant access terminal and no items (except mouse pointer) are present on my desktop [18:21] _angelo_: you can switch to text consoles with alt+ctrl+f1 (switch back with alt+ctr+f7) and see what's blocking it [18:22] _angelo_: with 'ps a' command you can display all the processes you have [18:22] how do i update my graphics card and how i run games (window's games with wine) [18:24] Big questions, oxyz. [18:24] What's your graphics card? [18:24] Ati Radeon 9200 Series [18:25] Go to Restricted Drivers and install the ATI driver from there. [18:25] But be warned, ATI doesn't support Linux well. :-\ [18:25] How do i go there? im new :s [18:25] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI [18:26] new ATI:s are actually quite linux-friendly [18:26] Really? Nice! [18:26] Also, oxyz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine [18:27] with nvidia you are stuck with restricted driver [18:28] even though it works well [18:28] i got xubuntu, so i do must install the ubuntu 8.04 hardy? Right? I'm new in linux world :) [18:28] no [18:29] there are a few differences, but most things are the same with xubuntu [18:29] that's why we use the same instructions [18:29] so what do i do to update the graphic card? [18:30] because the instruction says to go to System, but i do not have system :x [18:31] applications->system [18:31] omg, im such a noob xD [18:37] hi, any hint about how to make Xubuntu show one desktop on each monitor (2 in my case) instead of half in one and half in the other? [18:38] !multihead [18:39] Sorry, I don't know anything about multihead [18:39] !xinerama | mnemoc [18:39] mnemoc: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead === adam is now known as Guest75442 [18:39] !dualhead | mnemoc [18:39] mnemoc: Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama [18:40] TheSheep: but isn't xinerama the half desktop in one monitor and half desktop on the other like i do have now? [18:40] hi will a core 2 duo 3.gig and 4 gig of ddr 2 ram run xubuntu nicely? [18:40] mnemoc: yes, you want the other one [18:40] mnemoc: I just didn't remember its tag [18:40] Guest75442: verily [18:40] TheSheep: ah, cool, thanks! [18:42] anyone know how i can get my keyboard controls (volume mainly) to work in xfce? as they do in gnome? [18:43] there is no back doors to this os is there like windows? [18:44] have i got complete privacy/freedom === Rockford is now known as DarkChewie [18:46] the_beav, Doesn't xfce4-keyboard-settings help? [18:47] Guest75442: there are no backdoors we know about, but there may be security bugs we don't yet know [18:48] Guest75442: that's why there are security updates [18:48] TheSheep: this is a lot more secure/stable than windows though? [18:48] Besogon, yeah that appears to be it [18:50] Sorry to interrupt here, but I have a problem with my .Xmodmap not being implemented directly at startup. I have to manually go into terminal and type the command. How do I solve this? [18:52] Besogon: got it working, thx....i knew it was something simple! [18:52] Guest75442: it's hard to tell, but you can compare http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21851/?task=statistics with http://secunia.com/advisories/product/22/?task=statistics [18:53] wraag: you can add the command to autostarted apps [18:56] See http://whylinuxisbetter.net Guest75442. :) [18:57] xfce4-keyboard-settings crashes every time i unplug my usb keyboard :< [18:57] Lamerz [18:57] thanks [18:58] likemindead: that's not nice [18:58] !bug | mnemoc [18:58] mnemoc: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » If that fails, you can report bugs manually at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [18:58] * likemindead rolls eyes... [18:59] running 8.10, was on ebay, got a pop saying: " need to install either adobe flash player OR Swfdec gnome OR Gnash swf"...anyone here know which is best for an old dell with ubuntu 8.10? i installed none and i srill viewed ebay items? [18:59] TheSheep: Thx! Not easy migrating from win to linux. [18:59] wraag: fortunately you never want to go back [18:59] TheSheep: the problem is how to provide useful information to help them to fix the bug :) [18:59] I thought it was, wraag. [18:59] But I'm simple. [19:00] mnemoc: I think there is some basic info behind that link, they wil lask for any specific info as needed [19:00] deal :) [19:00] Firefox, OpenOffice, Xchat, VLC, & Rhythmbox is all I need. :D [19:04] likemindead: why not Chromium, Abiword, Irssi, VLC and Quod Libet? :) [19:07] there is any pps/ppt viewer in the abiword/gnumeric world yet? [19:08] mnemoc: ah, no, just pdfs [19:08] well ive made my mind up im switching lol [19:08] mnemoc: latex-beamer ftw :) [19:08] Guest75442: be aware that there are few games [19:09] Guest75442: and not all will work fine under wine [19:09] TheSheep: i quit gaming a while back now , to dedicate time to programming [19:09] TheSheep: i don't make pps/ppt files, but people expect us to be able to see them [19:09] but i didnt know quake 4 was for linux tho :) [19:09] ah, for programming linux is very nice, once you get rid of the IDEs :) [19:09] specially marketing people and project managers :/ [19:10] mnemoc: that sucks, can you slip some poison into their coffee? [19:10] =) [19:11] but what I mean, if you don't need ppt or other extra features, abiword is much faster [19:12] Actually, TheSheep, I use Swiftfox, to be exact. ;) [19:12] Is Chromium stable enough to use? [19:12] absolutely [19:13] it even runs flash by default in 32 and 64b now [19:13] Rrrrreeeeeaaallllyyy... [19:13] * likemindead is installing Chromium post haste. [19:13] Are you using a PPA? [19:13] it still crashes about once every 2 weeks for me [19:13] but saves all the open tabs, so it's not that bad [19:14] Install via a PPA? [19:14] yes [19:14] W00T [19:14] mine gets updated from http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ [19:15] Also, Abiword is abysmal. :-\ [19:15] there are two versions, google-chrome and chromium-browser [19:15] one is made by google, the other is made by community [19:59] I have a question [19:59] I have a .sh file [19:59] that runs fine when executed from terminal window [19:59] is there a way I can make it so it runs when I double clikc on it [19:59] I tried creating a launcher on desktop [20:00] that says "bash ~/Desktop/script.sh" [20:00] and checked the run in terminal checkbox [20:00] but it doesn't work, when I double click on it, terminal window opens and closes really fast [20:00] and I don't see the stuff that script's stupposed to do [20:09] Can you right-click the file and "make executable" ? [20:11] nopes [20:11] but it does say "Execute" as the first option [20:11] and when I execute the .sh file [20:11] nothing happens [20:11] when I execute the launcher I made [20:12] it opens a terminal window and it goes away real fast [20:12] Hmm... [20:12] are you sure the script should wait for input? [20:14] um [20:14] "wait for input"??? [20:14] what's that mean [20:14] i mean, if the script is run, the terminal window will close. [20:14] oh [20:14] yeah [20:14] if I run it in terminal [20:14] it asks for input [20:15] and makes a folder [20:15] and other stuff [20:15] but if I run it using the launcher [20:15] it doesn't do any of those [20:15] here's it [20:15] http://pastebin.com/d6f0f9552 [20:15] I'm a noob [20:16] so don't yell at me [20:16] Ashhh, what are you trying to achieve? [20:17] it asks for username [20:17] and then mounts that user's folder on a different computer [20:19] okay.. [20:20] ohai :-P [20:20]